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Zach Gelb

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Joining me this week is one of the freshest guys on the radio. Zach Gelb is a rising star in Sports radio, and you can find him every weekday on CBS Sports Radio from 6-10 pm EST. Yes, he beat me in our NFL picks this year, and I owe him a Fat Head of myself, but I am still waiting on my steak.

Zach's dad Bob has been in the radio business for a long time running the Mike and The Mad Dog show. Bob helped Zach start his first show in their basement when he was eight years old. Zach always knew he wanted to be a sports broadcaster but did play many sports growing up. He retired from playing sports to talking about them in 10th grade, and he has carved an insane path to the top of his industry. 

Zach chose Temple over Syracuse and worked hard not on his books but on his studio time. He says that his most significant experience came from being in the studio and learning from real-life experiences. Zach landed his first job in New Jersey out of college at WNJE. He made a few more moves before landing one of the top spots for CBS Sports Radio. 

Hey, everyone, welcome to anotherepisode of Huddled Up With Gus. I'm your host, former NFL quarterback Gusfor Rod. And welcome to the new 16 31 digital new studio. You know, somepeople say no news is good news. Well, I say to those people you've never read16 31 digital news dot com Go to 16 31 digital news dot com to get your latestnews, sports, music and entertainment and maybe even listen to your favoritepodcast. Otto up with Gus. Check it out today at W. W W 16 31 digital news dotcom Hey, everyone, welcome to another snowyepisode of Huddle Up With Us. I'm your host, Gust Ferrat, 15 year NFLquarterback, and I want to welcome you to the new 16 31 digital news studio.But right now it's my daughter's bedroom, and I wanna thank MTV foralways hosting us and producing our show and all of our people that workwith us. Thank you very much. This week's guest is, um, somebody that Igot to know over the last few years we kind of rib each other. He's a lotyounger than I am He actually was born when I started playing football in theNFL. But he is a rising star in the media world. You may have heard of hisshow. He's on weekdays from 6 to 10 p.m. On CBS Sports radio. He does anamazing job. He talks very fast, so he must be from Long Island, New YorkWelcome into the show. Zach Gal. Zack. How you doing, Buddy? Gus, I'm doingfantastic. I didn't know you were a guitar player. Do you play guitar? Seethat in the background? Is that just your daughters? No, I bought that. Idon't play that. I just bought my daughter Young. Actually, when she wasyoung, we made all the kids get lessons in music, right? Whatever they chose,she chose the guitar, and we still have it hanging around on. We have a pianodownstairs, and the only thing we ever got rid of was my son's electric drumset. Yeah, that could be very noisy. My parents when I when I was a kid, theystarted me off with piano, so I used to play a little Moon River and then Itried to play the piano a few weeks ago, and I haven't played it in years. And Ican't remember anything on the piano. So I guess my musical days of meplaying instruments are are way past my prime, I guess, is what I'm gonna say.Well, you know, I think we all have something that's way past our prime.Eso Zach, tell me about growing up in Long Island. What was it like for you?I mean, you, your knowledge of sports is incredible. You know, so many things.When I listen to your show, you are always on point about everything that'sgoing on and even your history of the games is super solid. So tell me aboutgrowing up and how you fell in love with sports. But I think it helps whenmy birth was actually announced on the radio because my dad at the time wasproducing three greatest forts talk radio program in the history of thisbusiness in Mike and the Mad Dog. So, um, you know, my whole life waspractically growing up on the radio, and as far as I could remember, in thecar is a kid. The radio was always on. Hey, we gotta listen to Mike and Chris.Maybe we'll get to hear Dad today, a swell since he was producing that show.So as a kid, I would always be going to games through their connections andalways would try to play hookey. When I got a little bit older and asked my momif I could miss and skips um school and going to work with Dad or if Dad wasgoing to the Big East tournament or a Mets game during the day Yankees game,whatever it was, I always tried to play tag along, so we're, ah, big sportsfamily and we'd like to talk about sports. So, you know, I always say thisradio and Eric Spitz, who was my old boss, used to say, This radio is like atextbook. It's free and there's a lot of knowledge. Eso you sit down in thecar and you get to hear from a lot of people. So I try to incorporate, uh,intentionally, unintentionally ah, lot of the host that I've listened to youand learn from throughout the years and kind of just store it all in my brain.That's awesome. That's a great story on that's kind of how a lot of peoplegettinto what they love as they get older. Now, when we go back to when youwere young, did you play any sports? What, like sports? Did you play growingup? I mean, because you look like you could have been, you know, anywhere onthat offensive line playing tight end. You know, somewhere in that area, youcould have been even, like, Ah, fullback. I don't know what Where wereyou? Yes. I don't know if my speed's good enough for a full back, but Iplayed some basketball. Ah, little bit of baseball than I couldn't really hada curveball. But I was a good catcher. I did play football. I played two yearsof high school football, was a left tackle and then also a defensive tackle.But after my sophomore year and you know I was good at football, I wasn'tgreat. But after my my sophomore year, I really knew that I wanted to be anannouncer and I was actually more interested in announcing the footballgames than playing the game. So I think...

I you know, I gave up the football sideof things. It wasn't an easy decision. But I made that transition early on inmy life for I'm going from the football field to the booth. And it's actuallyfunny when I was at Temple since I was calling the Temple Football Games. Andthat rule ended up becoming the head football coach my sophomore year whenthey brought in a new offensive line coach by the name of Chris Suiza handsince I'm a gargantuan human being. They told Chris that I was a newrecruit on his first day on the job and we were kind of in on that joke. AndChris said to me because Temple didn't have a good football team at the timeand then that build up the program really well to get into the nationalprominence that they've seen over the last few years. And Chris said to me,We need some bodies in practice. If you wanted to screw your broadcastingcareer over for a little bit, you could come be a tackle dummy in practice. SoI was offered to be a I guess I walk on for the Temple football team, but Ipolitely declined because this has always been my passion has been asports talk radio. Well, I think you chose the right right lane, right? Youknow, you didn't very well if you knew what you wanted to do. We have somebodyin here in Pittsburgh. His names. Larry Richard. He's like the voice ofPittsburgh Steeler games. He's on Katie K radio. Larry, he's been aroundforever. Everyone knows Larry. He's like, you hear his voice and you knowit and he when I interviewed him for my show, it's a kind of the same thing. Heknew from a young age what he wanted to do. And he's an announcer. He lovessports, and he said when he was a kid, he go out in the baseball field.Everybody's playing pickup ball on the you know the lot next to their house,and he had a big family. He said he would be a second baseman and he'salways saying the kid's name who's up to bat and you know he's got he'salready got one out. He's like announcing the game from second base.Did you find yourself doing that as a kid when you're hanging out with yourbuddies? Yeah, you know, I think all of us because all my friends are bigsports fans. So one of my friends, Alex, we would kind of be in the car and justhave these heated, intense sports conversations. So yeah, that that wouldalways be something that I would do. And then, really, I got my start in myparents basement because I went on the Internet and I found this platformwhere you could host a radio show from your basement. So that's where it allstarted, literally in my parents basement. That's why it was ironic. Nowdoing a national show when Cove it hit, my family said, Get out of New YorkCity, come to Long Island. So I was living with them for four or fivemonths before we were coming back, Thio to New York, and I was once again inthe basement doing shows. Except this time, I think we had just a few morelisteners. Since we are on CBS for its radio, so like to come full circle thisyear. What is your show called When you were a kid was It's just still the ZachGal show. No, no, it was actually looking back on it. It was a verypompous name, but I thought it was like a cute thing. As a kid, my dad came upwith something called instead of the expert using my first name, Zack ZExperts. So I look back at some of those audio clips and videos and I kindof cringe because I have a high pitched voice. And I'm like, see, experts athelp here on show vo dot com or log talk radio. Are you Castor and I'm Zexperts. So the morning show host Greg Janadi here on the fan in New York. Hewas actually once on my show when I was in high school. And now we'recolleagues, so he will bring that up from time to time. How? I used to callmyself a Z expert. Now, did you interview your dad on Z expert? So mydad was actually my first producer. So, everyone, if you know Mike Francesa, hehas an addiction to Diet Coke. So I used to always I don't drink soda, butI was always used to joke around with my dad. Now you're no longer gettingpaid to get me my diet coke. So he was my producer. I remember we used to dothe show out on a Saturday at 1 p.m. Every Saturday at 1 p.m. And then Isaid to myself when I got a little bit older Dad, I wanna have a social lifeon the weekend so that we change the Showtime toe Wednesday at 7 p.m. So hewould come right in off the train from work at about 6 36 50 and then Boomwould be on for an hour every Wednesday on this website called Show vo dot com.But he kind of really tried to stay out of it. He would give me pointers hereand there, but I wasn't a traditional producer. Let's say he really put theonus on May to make me learnt my craft, and he would challenge me a little bit.But he said, You're in charge of booking all the guest and and what thecontent is, and he kind of would just help oversee it now that when you wereyounger and you're learning this trade from your dad, um, you know, becausewhen you have your guests on, you have to be very knowledgeable not only aboutyour guests, but the topics you're talking about, you do a great job ofthat. So what kind of pointers did he give you about that when you were young?He would always just drop me random fax. He would. He actually said to me, Don'tdo this for a living. When I when I...

...told him in high school I wanna be asports talk radio host. He goes, the business can be brutal. You don't wantto do this. And sometimes when you're a dad, I could see that. I guess from hisperspective that, you know, the ups and downs and some of the public backlashin this business. So maybe he wanted me to do something else. I don't know whatthat would have been. I wasn't intelligent enough to be a doctor. Iwould not have been able to study enough to be a lawyer. So this wasalways something that I did. So I kind of pushed back at him and to know thisis what I'm doing. And he kind of wanted to see if I could swim or if Iwas going to sink. And then after realizing that I could swim and stayafloat. Hey, would give me a few pointers just by dropping randominformation. Random s A T words, I guess which helped me prepare for the SA. T. But also prepare for the radio. So it was a checks and balance system.Hey, really? Let me drive the ship. But if he ever thought I could do somethingbetter Hey, wouldn't be afraid to voice his opinion, which I did appreciate.Yeah, he would use words like don't bloviate too much. Right? So you've gotthese words on you and say there's a fine line, right? See, I don't havegreat depth. I don't have a bevy of words when it comes to all thevocabulary and in abundance or whatever other word that you wanna use. But Ihave about, like, 10 that that I'm really good at perfecting. I guess it'sbecause I'm loquacious on. I have those 10 words and I kind of just use them ina cycle. So it makes me appear to be a lot more area like than what I actuallyam. Well, that's what I mean. You're you'retalking about sports, so you don't have to be like at a high, high level. Youjust have to be high enough toe to be a little bit more than your most of yourguests. Yeah, well, here's one I'll never forget. It was Steph Curry andKevin Durant. They were in a press conference together. They played in theWarriors and someone used the word kerfuffle and they were like, Wow,that's a good word. So I guess if you just impressed the guests and drop aword here or there to the listening audience will be like, Oh, wow, thisguy's a lot more intelligent and you kind of full people that way. But atthe end of the day, to me, sports talk is like two guys, two girls, whoeverjust sitting down at a bar and just shooting the breeze and and kind of nottaking ourselves a little bit, you know, you know, not taking ourselves all thatseriously and having fun and entertaining that. That, to me, is whatmakes a good sports talk radio program. Right now, it definitely does. I lovethat, too, when it's just a conversation and not somebody askingjust questions. Right? Uh, so you talked to us a little bit about playingsports in high school, right? That you did it. You tried it. It wasn't reallyyour thing. So tell us about when your first time announcing in high schoolwhere there was a football game, a basketball game, whatever it was. What?What was that experience like for you? Yeah. So it was awesome. I started theshot in my parents basement that was in high school. And, you know, in my highschool, I would have friends that would listen. And, um, you know, would wouldlike it. Some would make fun of it, you know, whatever it waas. But I thinkthat we started to do a really quality show because even though it was just inthe community there, people were talking about it, and I was recognizedin my high school for it. But then when you get into the rest of it, um, yeah,I would say the first game I did was was homecoming or something like thatduring a high school game where I was just a p a announcer. So I went to asleep away camp. Though this was actually the first memory I have. Iwent to a sleep away camp this game called Pine Forest, and at Pine Forestthat had a broadcasting session that you could do where they just hadmicrophones on and a Low AM frequency. And I remember doing a show there, andwe would also broadcast it to the pool eso when everyone would have generalswim me in a body of mine, a friend by the name of Danny Caine. We would hosta show. Cain and Gelb. He beat me in a game of tennis, which I thought hecheated. And that's why he got top billing on the name of Came first. Ithought my name should have been, uh, first. So we did a show there, sothat's just kind of some of the early memories. And then I went to college,and I think I was a little bit more advanced than the regular collegestudent. And when I was in college, I did a show on the on the college radiostation and also ah TV show to, uh called the Mat Rule Weekly. So we didaired Matt rules press conference, and then from there, kind of did break itdown. So I had a little background of both TV and radio when I was in college.Yes, so tell me why Temple? So I went to go visit Syracuse as a kid.I always wanted to go to Syracuse, and I went to Syracuse and the school justdidn't click with May. And you know, it's a It's a great program, butsomething that kind of pushed me away from Syracuse. I had a broadcastingdemo and I went to hand it in when I had an interview. Thio talk to thepeople at Syracuse and the Emissions Department, and they wouldn't take it.So I was kind of a little skeptical...

...going to Syracuse, and I always thought,as you would know, people take your college football tape. That's whatQadry Ismail, who played at Syracuse, said. If I had a tape as a freshman,they would take that tape so they didn't take my tape. So I thought thatwas bizarre. And then, you know, since that Super a camp that I mentioned itwas based in Pennsylvania. So I had a lot of friends and family inPhiladelphia, and a guidance counselor suggested that temple would be good andIt's a very diverse school and they have a very underrated. I think it's anexcellent broadcasting program and I went and I talked to their missionsdepartment and they said We don't care if you're a freshman in a sophomorejunior, a senior. When you're ready to go on the air, we'll put you on the airwhere at other schools and hey, Syracuse has a great track record. Butat Syracuse, you really don't get on the air until junior or senior year.And I think the most imperative part of having a good broadcasting career andgetting ahead of the game is to have the most amount of reps is possible. Sobeing able to go to Temple and get on the air immediately, I thoughtbenefited me more than maybe getting into Syracuse and then going there andsitting on the bench freshman sophomore junior year. You don't have tocomplicate this stuff and people overcomplicate this business, not asingle class. The history of radio that I took or any of that stuff got me towhere I am today. It was the stuff that I did away from the classroom, being apart of the student TV department being a part of the student radio stationgetting internships. That's what gave me the real life experience that Ineeded. Not in 1967. This person did that on the radio. I probably I didn'tfail the class, but I probably got a fear of being the class it did not careabout getting an A. You were listening to Mike and Mad Dog, right? You weren'tlistening to your teacher. Yeah, that was that to me, was was really theexperience, whether it was Mike and Chris, whether it was Craig Kardon, SidRosenberg, producers like Ray Martel or even someone that I got Thio Intern forand now they have me as a guest on their show, which is surreal. AngeloCataldi, who's been doing this for 30 years in Philadelphia. So interning forAngelo was such put me in such an advantage. It gave me such an advantagepoint because I got to see how a guy like that prepares day in and day outand you could know the most about sports. You could know all the stats inthe world. If you can't entertain, you're not gonna be able Thio maintaina job on sports talk radio. Angela really taught me just by watching himthe entertainment part of this business. Yeah. So when you were a temple, youalso earned a scholarship, right? The Richie Ashburn. Um, scholarship. Sowhat? Tell me a little bit about that. What was that? Uh, I mean, obviously Iknow him as a player, but what does that scholarship? What did that mean toyou? Yeah. So it was actually was nominated by someone at Temple. LarryDougherty, who's the sports information director, and I got it my senior year.Now the letter. Funny story about this telling me I won the scholarship, whichI had no clue. I was even a candidate for. And it's given out by thePhiladelphia Sports Writers Association. And they have, ah, legendary banqueteach and every year. When I was at that banquet, it was it was remarkably Jake.Four. Check of the Flyers getting honored Matt Cleantech, who was thegeneral manager of the Phillies getting honored. You had Olympian soccerplayers there It was. Larry Holmes was also there, So it's a big banquet and Iwas playing a small role of it where I was honored as one of the collegerecipients. So they just It just kind of gave me further. I don't wanna sayvalidation, but it was another honor off the hard work and the relationshipsthat I built a temple. But the funny story is, they sent that. I guess theyhad my address in the temple database, but it wasn't updated, so they sent itto my old apartment where I lived junior year. And then I moved for mysenior year to a different home on campus. Luckily, ah, friend of minetook over my least at my old place before I moved in with a new group offriends and they were saying, Hey, you got a letter here. Come pick it up andI don't know what the letter was. And then I sat down and read it. I said,Wow, this is this is pretty cool. Yeah. No, that's awesome. I think it isvalidation of all the hard work you put in from the time you were a littlehallway through your college career. So tell me, you know, we all have thesestumbles. You may be, you know, which I think you are one of these guys, likethe star quarterback. You lose one game in college, but you're going on untilthe draft, and you're gonna be number one pick. That's how I feel. You are inthis industry, but you all every every one of us in college has a stumble. Socan you remember a time that you had a stumble in college that you said? Well,this is gonna be tough. I gotta get through this. Um, you know, I don't know if onespecific encounter stands out, but there's times where I'll do a show, andI'll say to myself, Man, I didn't think...

...it was all that good. And I think weare our toughest critics and you go back and you listen. And if you'rehonest with yourself, sometimes we're too over the top and two critical ofourselves. Because every times where I'm like, yeah, I don't know how thatsegment went that I listen back and they say, Wow, that was actually great.But I'll never forget. This is actually Ah, funny blunder. So, Dan Liebowitz,we were at the American Athletic Conference tournament. We had to raisemoney to get there to broadcast the games down in Orlando, Florida andthere was some controversial. Finishing the game prior to us and Dan at thetime was the I think his title was the associate commissioner of the AmericanAthletic Conference and dancing. He was once an assistant under John Chaney,who just passed away. We had a little bit of a connection because Dan wouldalways come back to Temple for time to time, and he was part of the leadershipgroup for the American Athletic Conference. The conference the Templeplays in and I've interviewed Dan. I've talked to Dan numerous times and we'rehaving him on and I'm I'm over prepared for the interview, talking about one ofthe controversial finishes from the from the previous game and I go Allright, we're back here on W H I P. Now joining us as we're here live at theAmerican Athletic Conference. I couldn't remember Dan's name, so I feelterrible. I go, Yeah, you know how you do it. Like I never said his name. So Idon't know if the listening audience may have caught on to it, but I knew it.And my co host also knew that I couldn't remember his name. So eventhough I know Dan and I know Dan very well, I learned from that. Whenever Ihave a guest on, it's okay to be over prepared. Sometimes I got myself forbeing over prepared. It's okay to be over prepared, right? The guest namedown, just in case of that moment ever did arise again where I would have abrain fart. But for some reason that I couldn't remember Dan Liebovitz hisname. Well, I've been hitting ahead a lot, so that happens to me quite often.So I know how you feel. Uh, you know. So you're a temple. You're goingthrough your college career. Now you're getting ready. Go on. The real world.Uh, what was that transition like? Now I'm gonna be on my own. Now. I gottaDid you have a job waiting for you when you came out of college? Or did youhave to go find something? I got a job very quickly, and it was actuallybecause of the work I was putting in. Still, in my second semester, my finalsemester, the second semester at Temple. And in that final semester, I was goingto a Big Five Hall of Fame or a Big Five ceremony event. Philadelphia. BigFive. The five schools. They have an award banquet at the end of the yearand on that way to the bank with a friend of mine said, Hey, I justapplied for a job and interviewed for a radio station for a program directorand afternoon dr Host for a sports radio station in New Jersey. I saidTeoh, a sports radio station in New Jersey. What are you talking about?People in New Jersey. They either get the Philly stations. W I P. Or 97 5fanatic or they're listening to the fan up in New York. So he goes, No, theyjust look formats. It's this new sports talk station in New Jersey, and myfriends said to may like talking me talking as him. I'm not gonna take this.I'm only interested in TV. So I said, Send me the contact. So I emailed theboss, David Bevin's, and they were looking for someone that was young, andI emailed him, and when I went into his office, they said, Oh, we were actuallygoing to call you next week because Tom McCarthy, who was the play by playvoice of the Phillies and does some games nationally, NFL and CBS Herecommended me for the job because he did this job 20 something years agowhen they were Sports station. And then throughout the years they flippedformats, toe religious stations and political talk stations. So they were Iwas actually on their radar. So I went into that job and and I interviewed forthe job and I knew walking out that there's no way I wasn't going to getoff for the gig because it's a small I am station. I had all these contacts.I've already at this time in college made national headlines for interviewsthat I did. So I thought I was the perfect person, and I think myleadership visions did match up with the boss, David Bevin's. So I got acall back three days later and they said, We want to offer you the job So Iwas the program director for the 9:20 a.m. Fox Sports radio station. It wascalled New Jersey and then also as a part of my responsibilities, I was theprogram director for the Christian religious station and I'm Jewish. So Ialways thought that was you every year during Christmas time. Merry Christmas.Merry Christmas. People would send me Bibles and everything s Oh, that was mymy first real job out of college. And I was there for about a year and eightmonths. And thankfully, they allowed me...

Thio get other opportunities to 97 5.The fanatic, the big one of the big stations in Philadelphia, called me upand they asked me to host Postgame in the year that the Eagles won the SuperBowl. And then when I was at the Super Bowl that year and we were gettingready for all those shows, I met Eric Spitz, who I've known my entire life.But Eric Spit wanted to interview me for the weekend overnights opening atCBS Sports Radio, and I got that job and I left my job at 9 20 New Jerseyand 97 5 fanatic for a part time weekend overnight gig. But it was anational gigot. It was something I couldn't pass up and through theirended up moving up in the CBS Sports radio lineup from Monday to Friday,where you now join me each and every Friday during football season for thehuddle up with dust picks. Which, by the way, just to get the listeningaudience, um, insight here. Not to talk too long. Gus beat me in the regularseason, but then I kicked his butt in the postseason and the overall recorddid make me the winner for this year. If you combine the regular season, youkind of felt like you, right? Right in the regular season. But in thepostseason, nobody could touch him. I didn't care for the Rams. I didn't carefor the Bears when I played them in the regular season. But when it came to thepostseason, unfortunately, you were Drew Brees. You were Aaron Rodgers, andyou were Patrick Mahomes and I was shocked. Barratt, jp Bay. Do you thinkthat Do you think that Patrick Mahomes is sending Tom Brady a fat head becausehe loved? I'm going to say no on that one? I did read, though I was watchinginside the NFL, which is a great show. They do a great job, Mike and upeverybody that they're gonna have some conversation. If you go back Thio the2018 a f c championship game. Brady after the game in a private behind thescenes in the tunnel of Arrowhead Stadium. He actually talked to PatrickMahomes for an extensive time in the home, said, That was a pretty bigconversation to have. Oh, of course. I mean, at that point. Tom. Still thegoat, right? He's Tom Brady has been how many Super Bowls? And now he'sstill doing it. It's been absolutely amazing what Tom has done on the field,and I know you followed his career for a long time. Eso tell me a little bitNow you get to CBS Sports, right? And you're doing this weekend gig andyou're saying, Okay, I'm taking another step. Have you gone to the peak ofwhere you wanna be yet, or how much further do you think you want to go? Um,people ask me this all the time about the future, and I just tried to takeadvantage of what I could control. Now I love the job that I'm in right now.If that means eventually moving up in the lineup even further, I would all beon board but to be 26 or get this opportunity when I was 25. Since I'vebeen doing this now for two years on the weekday lineup, show that 6 to 10p.m. Eastern, 3 to 7 Pacific's of drive time on the West Coast and we're onMonday through Friday and we're on 200 affiliates and serious and radio dotcom it Z. It's a great opportunity, and it's something that I'm so focused onin the now that if I start thinking about other things, you don't takeadvantage of the situation that you have currently. So that's kind of howI'm wired. But when I have to think about the future, I would be lying toyou. And, you know, I've said this before. Um, if I'm not thinking aboutmaybe doing local radio in Philly or in Boston or New York, the station that Igrew up listening to W. Van I do shows there now so that that's just stuffwhere I think about. But I love the national stuff because I have so muchfreedom to talk about whatever I want. We could be leading one today with thenext we could be leading one day with the Buccaneers. The Trailblazers? Younever know. A college football. You never know where it's going to go. SoI'm happy where I am now. We'll see what it turns out to bay. Do you thinkyou would ever go to like television? Right. So, like ESPN because you wouldbe great on there. I mean, you would, you know, you would be the Stephen a.Smith of e. Think you could match his his his, uh, bloviation, if that's aword. So you know it is Now. You thought about that Because even E wouldrather listen to you then have to people I have to listen to when theytalk about, you know, during a game, right? Because you have so muchknowledge where you put things forward, it would be great if you ever eventhought about announcing the game. Yeah, I appreciate that. S o the actually, wego back the first play by play I ever did. This is actually pretty funny.Temple was playing Notre Dame. It's Matt rules. First game as a head coachto temple. So the college radio station Say it again. I said that couldn't havegone well for Temple. Yeah, they didn't win. They were close in the first half,but they didn't. They did not win the game. Uh, field goal kicker missed waytoo many field goals in that game. And...

...then it got lopsided the second half,but our college radio station was called W H I P. Now Philly. The mainstation is W I. P. So often people get us confused for one another when you'rejust some random person you know at, you know Notre Dame and you're justlooking. Oh, yeah, this must be the professional station. So I'm on the 50yard line in the prime press box spot for Temple and Notre Dame, and Ithought I did a good job for my first call, but I looked to my left. An NBChas their broadcast for Notre Dame and we're in a better position than theyare in the booth. So I couldn't believe that And the actual local radio guysthat did the game afterwards, like they put us on the 25 30 yard line and Ikind of realized so they probably got us confused as the professional station,so that was that was the first play by play experience that ever did. But toanswer your question, Hey, with how the business is changing, I would be opento TV. I think TV is scripted from time to time, as long as I could be genuineas long as I could be my authentic self. I only say things that I believe, and Ithink too many people in our business now just for the paycheck. I think Godbless them, but that's how they make a living. They say things to just getthat paycheck, and they don't actually believe what they say when it comes tosports. I'm so passionate about this stuff and I could rant about, you know,many stuff, many of stuff that if I don't believe it, I will. I will neversay it. So I have to believe something in order to say, And that's how I think,Um, you know, my style is and why I think it happens to be a good show,right? Well, that's what people want, you know, they wanted authentic right.They can totally Phil, if somebody's not being authentic and false and whatthey're saying or just trying to placate to their audience. I mean,that's not what you do, and I think that you do a great job of it. One ofthe things I wanted to ask you if you could tell our listeners about how whenyou have a show that that is like your show and you're you're dealing with somany guests coming in and it's five days a week and you always have to getnew guest. Sometimes you have repeats like me on a Friday night and thingslike that, but you're getting guest, but you're getting unbelievable guests.So tell me about that process for your team. How does that happen? Does does.Does you know CBS Sports help you with that? Or is that your team calling allthese people on and bugging them relentlessly? It's a team effort whenit comes to guest booking. Since I really have been doing this in highschool and college, Um, even professionally I think I have, ah, aleg up when it comes to the contacts and what I always dio as you could tellfrom being on the show and this isn't the case with everyone, but I try toform relationships with my guest. So when they're coming on the show, it'snot up. I gotta do this radio interview. It's like, Wow, I'm coming on with Zachand I actually want to talk to Zach and that's why I think we get Mawr out ofit. I was doing a conference the other day and I was talking to some young upand coming broadcasters from Temple. And I said, When you have someone onthe show afterwards, text them a thank you, or if it is Thanksgiving, you knowyou don't wanna text them too much, But with them, I have to be Thanksgiving.If it's their birthday, wish him a happy birthday and those air thingsthat I think the little things that go a long way. You know, we had BruceArians on. I think we're the only show in the country to have Bruce Arians onthe day after they punched their ticket to the Super Bowl and I just textedBruce. Hey, congratulations sent me back. Thanks. And then I followed backup with them. I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't ask you to come on theshow today and there's an understanding of personal relationships. And thenwhat I gotta do professionally. And he said, Hey, call me at at four o'clockand we'll be good to go And we taped it and and it was, Ah, big hit for us. SoI think those relationships are important. And when you have thoserelationships, sometimes it's not easy toe. Ask the tough question, but Ithink it does assist in that process. When people do understand that, yes,you're trying to have relationships with them. But you also I have a job todo. So I try to make it a personable relationship when people come on. Butwhen you come on the show, if you did something that wasn't right, if you didsomething stupid or if you had a questionable decision, I gotta askabout or else I can't bring it on, right? Right. No, I completelyunderstand that. So tell me one of your guests that you've had on that made youthe most nervous, right? That they were in idle or they were somebody your dadidolized. You know what I mean? There are those people out there. No matter.I mean, I still feel that way. Even though I played 15 years in the NFL andI'm appear to some of these people, I still feel that way. When I interviewthem like Man, I watched this guy growing up and it was just I can'tbelieve I get to interview him now I don't really get nervous really allthat much. But the one person that I...

...think I vividly recall being nervous tointerview with Bob Costas on. But just because the name speaks for himself andI was in college and I wrote to Bob and he responded back and he said, Oh, yeah,I'll come on your your college radio show and that to me I was a little bitnervous about. And when I get nervous like I don't like, I won't shake or Iwon't sweat profusely. I do that enough as it is, but I'll start the littleobvious things like, How do you say his last name, like be Googling videos oryou tubing videos? You know Bob Costas interview just to make sure that I'msaying his name correctly when obviously I know it. So that's the one.But overall, like you asked me to about the guest booking the question before Itry to make things in the entire show. I try to make it a team atmospherebecause, yes, it is my show. I get the final say at the end of the day. Theonly one that could override me technically is my program director, butI have the freedom to do what I want. But that's not the way that I reallylike to operate a show. I like it to be a team environment. And every day Icome in with the plan and I asked my producer, All right, what's your plan?How could we collaborate and make it better? And I think when you givepeople a say in the process, I do believe that at the end of the day theywanted to work even harder for you. So yeah, ah, lot of this stuff. It isdriven by myself. But there are times where I liked the other voice, and Itry to get that other voice the other day because if it was just whatever Isay, I say I say that's one voice and I could think this is the right way to dosomething. But another perspective and some diversity always does help. Sowhat is the one sport that makes you the most nervous to talk about? Becausefor me, sometimes when you have to talk to somebody that you're not so familiarwith their sport, like football, baseball, basketball? Um, you know someof those hockey you know we're pretty familiar with. We see a lot of that.But then there's other people that you've probably interviewed that youweren't so familiar with their sport. Does that make you like, You know,that's a little harder for me sometimes. Well, yeah, if you ask me. That's why Ithink authenticity for me shines. If you call in and have a soccer point,I'm not gonna be able to tell you anything. Horse racing. I have aminuscule amount of knowledge. The three big races out of the year golfhad become a lot more of an avid golf fan as of late. I always liked golf,but I've been watching golf more. But yeah, your four major sports and on anational scale, I love hockey. You're not really talking about hockey. I lovebaseball nationally. You don't really talk that much baseball. It's football,NFL, college and basketball. That's really what drives the train and don'tget me wrong. Alabama. I watch a lot of Alabama football Alabama football fanthat watches every single game in every single play. Hell, no Maura aboutAlabama football than I will, but I have a good knowledge on Alabamafootball, because how much during the news? But that was just, you know, oneexample that that'll throw at you. So, yeah, the diehard fan on a nationalscale could even know more than the host. But it's It's kind of knowing alittle bit of everything that I think makes a good national talk show hostand also knowing what stations you're on, what affiliates you're on because Ibroadcast in New York. But I got to make sure that I'm hitting the marketsin Baltimore in Portland and Oregon, that carrier, So you gotta kind of.It's 24 7 job. You're preparing every every single day, especially with thecell phones and everything. You have everything in the palm of your hand,and that's all preparation for the show. Yeah, that's gotta be tough. I wasthinking about I mean I do one show a week with the podcast and just bookingguests. Um, you know, it's tough because of cancel on. You have thereschedule. I can't do it. So I can't imagine what it's like five days a weekto try and do that. And I think that where you are, you are such a risingstarting to do such a good job with it that if you didn't have a guest to comeon your show that night, that it would still be a breeze for you for fourhours. Well, you know, I love guess, but I will only put a guest on ifthere's a purpose. I will not just throw a random writer on to talkfootball off season. There has to be a purpose for the guest. And, yeah,there's some days where I go. I'm not really feeling anyone, and I'll justtalk for four hours and we'll have callers that will. That will buzz thephone line, so there always has to be a purpose for a guest. But you're right.It can get stressful. I'll tell you a story. We're doing a Q B carouselsegment right now with how active this offseason is gonna be. So every nightwe had a team or we had two teams tonight. And what? We try to take thosesegments because they're 5 to 8 minutes. There's a lot of production that goesin and sound effects that go into it. So our guests for the 40 Niners that wewere supposed to tape with that five...

...could not do it, you know, and ended upTexas last second. Guys, I gotta cancel. So then I ended up texting a buddy ofmine that used to hire me and failure networks in San Francisco. He goes, Ihave a 40 Niners guy for you. So we're about to go to this spot live. We're aminute 30 for coming back to break that Guess that we were promised not pickingup his phone eso. Since it's two teams a day, we already had one team in thecan. So I got into the talk back to my producer and said, Play the one that wealready have in the can and that will kill 57 minutes. And instead of doingthat team second, let's do that team first. And during those five minutes. Igave my producer a number and I said, This is a former 40 Niners player. IanWilliams, nose tackle from 2010 to 2016 cold. Call him and see if he could comeon. And he picked up the phone 30 seconds before we were about to comeback as the other segment was wrapping up and we ended up doing that interview.Now, if he didn't pick up the phone, I would have just talked for five minutesabout the 40 Niners. But, uh, that sometimes the behind the scenes of ofradio where people make commitments and then they blow them off. And then somepeople, they panic. In that moment, if a guest doesn't pick up their phone,you always got to be prepared to talk about something else because youraudience is there and your audience is Time is very valuable. Yeah, So onething I was gonna ask you to do you look forward to the calls coming infrom your audience, or is that something like because it seems like tome, that'd be kind of fun, because you're going to get bad ones. You'regonna get good ones. You're going to get people that don't talk that do talkand you can either. You can hit now, don't want this guy. So what's thatlike for you? It depends because there's a lot of badcallers like, I mean, brutal callers. But then a lot of good callers. Yeah,and there's there's regulars. But when you go to that phone line, it's openingup Pandora's box and you don't know what the heck is going. Thio come outof that Pandora's box, so it is fun. But I like toe have fun with thecallers. Like, if the color is is not that great of a caller, you got aEither dump them quickly and get them off. Or you could sometimes turn a badcaller into a good caller. I had a guy called me up once, and he goes, Oh, Ilove listening to the Scott Gelb show and he goes, I gotta point on. I forgetwhat you're like. Let's say the Raiders he wanted to talk about so I go awaybefore you make a point about the Raiders. What show you listening Thio?Because sometimes people get nervous and they misspeak. He goes to ScottGelb show that was like how the guy sounded like, Oh oh, interesting As akid, I remember listening to Craig Kardon. Craig was once called, I guessGreg or some different name. And he was already doing that show on W. F. A. And67 years already when I heard this call so he did a name quiz. All right, I'llgive you every host of the name of the station. I'll give you the last name.You give me the first name. So I just remember that in the moment. And I saidto the caller, Hey, before you make your point, I'm gonna give you a nameof a host or a network So Lawrence guy said, Amy, Amanda, Laura Guy said DamonBarber Guy said, Tiki tyranny guy said Branton and I go Gelb and he goes easy.Scott on told him My name is not Scott. My name is Zak. He goes, I listened toyou every day. I thought your name was Scott for all these years. Now they saymy name Zak. I don't know. 9 to 10 times. It's not 20 with how many timesI say it during the show. So that's what you get with listeners. Sometimesevery listener, we thank them, but there, but the callers air differentthan the listeners. Mike Francesa once said this and I think it's it's dead on.The callers aren't your listeners. The callers wanna be a part of the show.The callers want to entertain. The callers want to perform. The callersthink that they could do your job. So I'm not afraid to challenge my callers.And I'm also not afraid to use my callers to give me a different insightand a different opinion, because a lot of times a caller and I don't know,Oregon, he could be more tapped in tow, Oregon football than I am, and you getthat local sense. But you gotta take it with a grain of salt because you neverknow if the information is gonna be factual enough, right? So I'm sureyou've got a lot of callers calling in from Philly right now. And Indianapoliswith the big Carson Wentz trade. Yeah. Hey, um, I look back at Carson. I was afirm believer, and Carson Wentz and I thought he was gonna be a greatfranchise quarterback and I think Howie Roseman is the biggest one to blame forthe Eagles demise. Doug Peterson. You hear things come out and I've been, ah,big defender of Doug Peterson. Not that I think he's a great coach, but Ididn't think he deserved to lose his job. You hear about some of themiscommunication or lack of...

...communication in that organization, butfor Carson, here's my problem with him. Do I think that he is totally to blamefor his shortcomings? No. The team was banged up. They did not draft well.They did not run the football enough. But you look at the show. Matson. ShawnWatson was screwed over left and right in Houston. He's still protected thefootball. He's still put up prodigious passing numbers where Carson Wentzusually threw the ball to the other team than his team. So Carson, to me,has a lack of accountability, and I heard some rumblings. I read articleswhen I was in Philly about his lack of leadership and some of the problems inlocker room and the person I saw. It just didn't make sense. But now it'sstarting to make sense, So that deal, I think it's a win win. I usually don'tlike saying that, but I do think it's a win win because Philadelphia had tomove on from Carson. It was a bleak market. You get a three and then thetwo that could turn into a one. And for the Colts, what else were you gonna?Who else are you gonna bring in? Jamis? Winston? I like Jamie's better thanCarson, but Frank Reich knows Carson. I thought it's a low risk, high rewardand he'll be in a better spot in India because you got a good offensive line.You got to solve run game and you got a good defense. So now we'll see ifCarson could cut out the turnovers. But if he can't, then he's. I finally gotto hear from him that I'm the problem. I did wrong instead of kind of blamingit on others. But the thing I don't get like if I'm a caller from Philly, I'msaying Okay, wait. You just traded our quarterback. You fired our head, coach.Why do both, right? We thought that you were firing Doug Peterson because hewasn't getting along with Carson Wentz, right? So I don't understand why youget rid of your starting quarterback and your head coach at the same time. And not only that, the guy that youbrought in next, Syriani was not overly qualified and you brought him inbecause he was a disciple of Frank Reich. And you thought, because youbring in someone that knows Frank Rack that was going to smooth things overwith Carson Wentz and just toe put some or flame more gasoline here on the fire.You get rid of Doug, you get rid of also the quarterback, but you keep theguy who's the general manager who oversees all of that. I don't get likeHowie. Roseman still has the job. I thought, If you're going to get rid ofDoug, you had to get rid of Howie Roseman and clearly Jeffrey Luriedidn't think that which I always say this line on the radio. Howie Rosemanthen must have naked pictures of Jeffrey Lurie. That's the onlyexplanation I have somewhere, somewhere, right? I think we say that everythingthey gotta be embarrassing. Hey, exact man. It was great catching up with you.Please tell all our fans and they can follow you your you know, your drivetime when they can catch you on the radio, give us all that information sothey can They can catch up with Zach Gill. Yeah, sure. It z a c h g l b onTwitter and on instagram and all you have to dio is find out where yourlocal CBS Sports radio affiliate is, or turn on Sirius Channel two oh six, Openup your phones radio dot com application. You could listen to usMonday through Friday from 6 to 10 p.m. Eastern and 3 to 7 PM Pacific. So verysimply, that's how everything goes down. And, Gus, um, it's actually this hasbeen a blast. Men, last two years I met you. I don't know if you remember this.I met you at the Super Bowl, Super Bowl 52 in Minneapolis when I was actuallyinterviewing for the weekend overnight gig. And you gave me your I have yourbusiness card still in my wallet somewhere, and I remember meeting youthere and then when my producer pitched me the idea through your podcast tobring you on weekly for our pick segment, I was like, I'm all in withGus Frerotte. So I appreciate you having me and also appreciate all thegreat work that you do on our show. Yeah, I know. I appreciate you havingme on your show. It's been a lot of fun. I don't like losing to you, so I cannotwait till next season. Give me something to look forward to, so wemight have to switch. I would rather win the Super Bowl than be the champsin the regular season, right? It's like being its's Aaron Rodgers. Rather bethe M V p or B. A Super Bowl champion. You tell me, Super Bowl champion, asyou could see in my bedroom, I have a lot of blank walls face, So your fathead that you owe me autographed would look very good right behind me. I alsothink it would look better and your CBS Sports radio office, and then we cansee that. So everyone my fat head. I actually was gonna try and find a smallwanted today for myself to wear, but I couldn't find any small helmets layingaround my house, so that might be at that head as well. I don't know, butZack. Man, you have been awesome. Thanks for having me on your show. Youare rising star, and I think whether it's your on CBS Sports radio the restof your career, wherever you go, you're gonna kill it. So thanks for joining meon Hutto Up with Doesn't appreciate your time. Hi, This is former NFLquarterback Gus Frerotte, 16 31. Digital advertising is your one stopshop to promote your business and get new customers for award winningCreative to getting as online and...

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