Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

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Wes Welker

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Five-time pro-bowler and four-time All-Pro Wes Welker joins the huddle! Welker is a longtime friend and former teammate of Gus (Dolphins) and the two discuss their friendship and more in this 45 minute long episode. While in the huddle, Welker talks about growing up with sports, his many on-the-field achievements, playing with the G.O.A.T Tom Brady, and his new career in coaching as he is currently with the San Francisco 49ers as their WR coach. Join Wes Welker in the huddle with Gus and Dave by listening to this week's episode of Huddle Up With Gus! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome everyone to huddle up with gusts, where we talked to our guests about how sports shape their life. I'm your host, gust far at, fifteen year NFL quarterback, and I'm joined by my longtime friend and cohost Dave Hagar. You can now find us under the big top with the sports circus and ring master. Soal look for us on Am TV, a a MP tvcom. Hey everyone, Gus Fra here back with huddle up with gusts. I'm your post and fifteen year NFL quarterback. I'm joined by my longtime friend at COO's, Dave Aeger blue, and today we have a special guest on you can catch us anytime you want on the new RADIOCOM APP or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast, and you can also find us under the big top sports circus and also on amtv on hotel television. So today our guest is an old friend of mine. We played together in Miami. West is very well known in the NFL for playing and coaching now and also very well known in Oklahoma, in Texas, you name it, everybody knows West in the Kentucky Derby, but just a great person, great dad, great husband and a good friend of mine. I'm the really excited to get to know West even better than I already do. So joining us today, west, welcome receivers, coach San Francisco, forty niners and all the other accolades he has. So West, thanks for joining us. I appreciate it. Gus and day, thanks for having me on. Man, I know it's been trying to try, and you know me, and figure out technology and and all this stuff. Skype is not my strong suit, so I appreciate you hadn't big no, skype has been going like downhill and we're trying to you know, all these other technologies are coming up and we're like, you know what, we want to stay old school and new skype and probably, yeah, that's true, and that coulow like we're feeling like we're old school and it's like we're using skype. Is Old school now? Yeah, yeah, silent are we come? Yeah, it is. It is so west. All right, you grew up in Oklahoma City. You were player of the year when you were senior in high school. But really we want to know is, what was that first time you fell in love with sports? Do you remember, going way back as when you said. Man, this is everything I want to do. I just love being out here playing, no matter what game it is. Um, I think it's always been that way, but I think the first time I really kind of clicked for me, I was like four years old and playing soccer and I just kind out there running around and whatever. I'm fun and all that stuff, just like, you know, I fourgirld twin, just like they are. And then all the sudden, you know, I kicked it, kicked in the goal, you know, got a goal, and everybody start cheering and stuff, and I was like, Oh, you want me to do that? Oh Yeah, I got you, and it was just from there was I goal, goal, goal, you know, and just I was like, Oh, this is like just enjoyed it. Always enjoyed being around sports. You know, my I had an older brothers, five years older, and you know, we always, you know, doing something athletic, you know, some source of sports. We would build our own goals in the backyard to play soccer and you know all that stuff. Are Our neighbor. He still I wouldn't say dislikes me or anything like that, but we went through a few fences in the backyard just hammering the ball up against it and everything like that. So so ever since I'm out say for you've probably earlier in that. So Sauda was your first love. And then what else did you play? I'm I did a little bit of basketball, did baseball a little bit, did...

...some track, but you know, early on it was it was really soccer was the main thing that you know, I was playing year around from, you know, the time I was four years old and until I, you know, pretty much got into high school and then high school I you know, playing the spring and everything like that, but it was kind of a year round thing for me. What about like organized football? Well, I actually start playing in the sixth grade. I had a couple buddies who were on a team and I wanted to play so bad but, you know, parents are like and we got by a helmet, you got by shoulder pat like with soccer. You get some Shin Guards, some cleats and a ball, and a lot of times people had balls already. So, like you just here you go. And with football like there's, you know, a lot more costs and different things like that, a lot more commitment that goes into it. But I begged and pleaded let me play in sixth grade and and they they finally, you know, let me play. I went to one of my buddy's practices and they were cold. My friends were telling the coach that I was, you know, pretty fast and stuff. So they let me run with them and I was beating everybody. So I was like he's like, you know, you should play football. I was like, okay, and so I told my parents and, you know, script together some money and, you know, I've got some shoulder pads, elmt but whole deal. And and you know, from there it was I just loved it. It was the first time you got popped when you were playing. You know, it's play. I remember to this day, you know. So I kicked off. You know, usually kickers you sit there and kick and right now kind of chill back there. Well, I kick off and just sprint down the field and nobody really talks about tackling or anything like that. And next thing you know, you tell like his kids been playing since he was like five or six or whatever, tackle football, and he says are and runs me clean over. I tackle them but I'm on my back and I'm like no, I did what I'm supposed to do. Like the coaches laugh and I like he's like man, he has no idea what he's but I was like no, I got them on the ground, like it's cool, I'm fine, you know, but the dud just ran me over. And you know, and I remember just thinking, that where I really kind of learned. You know, all right, I'm going to be the aggressive one, I'm going to be the one and pose my will and somebody else. And you know, understood Gal because whenever you're playing the backyard, it's like you pull somebody down by the shirt, you get them on the ground somehow, some way, whatever. But with pads you're like, Oh, wait a sec I can use these things and so or to figure out like okay, I can lower my shoulder on somebody and and really kind of impose your will and somebody else. Yeah, you know, that was that jeating your high then. Well, yeah, that was yeah, that was sixth grade, and then the next year, you know, start playing with the school there. So that this the sixth grade team was, you know, we're called the Edmund bulldogs. And then Oklahoma. Yeah, Yeah, R outside O. Come to see, they're basically oak on the city. It's all the same. But but yeah, we totally you. You weren't a farm kid right from Oklahoma? Mu No, no, did you have buddies that were on head forms? Everybody thinks I'm, you know, the tiger king or something like that, and necessarily like that. You know, like you know I'm, you know, from the city. You know, like so, we's steam people like the tiger king. But Oh, yeah, but you's are too good to be the tiger king. Yeah, what, your teeth are too good to be the tiger king. I'm APPI sent three right now that all seen. The teeth are unbelievable. I know, Trulie, I will you know I quit math at an early age. I...

...like that's a good route. I had to quit watching. It got a little too he'll billy for me. But and then I would just go in and when Abbey and Annie were watching, I'd go in and catch some parts and then leave and I'm like all right, and sit there and watch that. I mean it was just too much for me. It's a decent singer. He's not a bad singers. Here's when he does it's him. Oh you mounting at no, no, I think it's somebody else singing. Okay, I think it's him, it is pretty good. If it's him, they're that guy likes here, likes here in his own voice too much. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Speaking voice, like his singing voice is different than the speaking voice. And this is speaking voice. Is Ridiculous. Is it singing? Singing in prison right now? Hey, so, west so, you go through, you start playing football. We were three sport athlete when you got the high school. Yeah, for the well, basketball, I was early on my freshman year. I mean I wanted to be on Varsity and stuff and I'm coming off football where I got to play a lot and everything like that. And and then anyways, I'm on the freshman team for a while there and it was just like, I don't know, I've I was like you're on this crappy core, you know, and I'm like like, so, I saw doing basketball and then I just kind of did soccer all the way through. So I was like I'm just going to do soccer instead. I am basketball never really my thing. So you know, you didn't run track either in high school. I did. I did do track. I think it was just freshman sophomore year I did track and then like junior senior, I did soccer. What was your Um High School like athletically? Was it? Is it a in a big league or was it a smaller one? Or No, it we're like class too A. we're like an academic school. So it's a small private school there in Oklahoma City. You know, it's it's it was more about academics whenever I went there. And it's funny like now it's like it is a sports play, like it's it's it's academics, but it's there's a big us on athletics as well. And she I think we've won stay Cham chip in football like six or seven times now and before we were just you know, and we want in my junior year and then they wanted to like five or six times since that. But whenever I was there, is like happy to go to the playoffs type deal. Yeah, so then you get into high school. Did you get some scholarship operas for soccer? I didn't know. I mean Oklahoma's never known as like a place that people would go to to recruit for soccer or anything like that. So it was, you know, and I never really thought of soccer in that way. You know, like they're there one a lot of full riots for soccer for guys from Oklahoma. Yeah, so they usually we're reserved for people from Arizona and Florida and yeah, Texas, North Carolina, you know that type of stuff. So, yeah, it's a little bit difference. Part of that goes but I was never, you know, I played soccer so much from for eight four years old on, year round. Really I just kind of got burned out on it and so, you know, when football came out, I got was chomping at the bit to play football and and then finally got to and you know, it's a good balance of being able to play other sports because it's just you know that that fall season and then all I get a break from it and then you can't wait to get back out there the next season and all those different things. One thing I always noticed was when I played at football and then when I coached in high school, was I went to every sport. I had...

...to coach three different sports in high school and do all that stuff. You go to a soccer match during the day and it's okay. I mean you get moms and dads and some fans are but there's nothing like Friday night lights like yeah, there's no excitement like it in any other sport that you're going to play besides maybe a state championship game. But every game on Friday night is just something different than every other sport and that excitement, you know, like what you're saying is you probably getting burned out, I can see in football, while you wouldn't in high school because of the excitement of especially in Oklahoma, football is pretty big. No, I absolutely now it was. You know, it was awesome. You know, in our our school like really kind of got behind the team. You know, my junior year we had you know, when fifteen and oh and like everyways, like we're supposed to suck at football, you know, and here we are stay team chip game and like everybody, you know, just parents get all excited and Gil Morgan, the Golfer, his daughter went to the school. He bought the whole team, like we're playing on the turf, so we got the whole team turf shoes for the game, like everybody just, you know, there's a huge caravan going down, I thirty five to still water to play the game. You know, just there's it was cool. It's just, you know, a lot of excitement and a lot of you know, it was a really cool year. Did you play at in the stadium? It's still water for the Yamato. That's cool. Yeah, yeah, you know, you saw like a there was like alumni from you know, s s and all that stuff like come in and all fired up about it. And there's never thought like heritage hall was going to be a place I was going to win a state championship. Right. It's like, you know, we got to take advantage of this, like this ain't gonna happen again. Right, no. Well, you know what's funny? West as where Abbey and gunner and gate went to high school and in St Louis, was like that, very academic, and you get somebody like you, get somebody like I coach Zeku Elliott and high school there, and change the whole dynamics of what it means to be an athlete and an academic student. Right, you know not. And so people like you come along and say, yeah, why can't you do both? I can't? We be good in both, you know, and and those people sometimes I think they really just had an idea like it was inter murals more than being a real sport. Then we can win championships in right, and you're probably a test of this. You know, like when you're in college. Right, like my great my best grades were like during football season and I always I'm on a routine, you know, I'm you know, it's like I got to get this done, this, and you know, my day is full and all of a sudden the spring comes around. Say Yeah, I work out, okay, go to class, and then you just got a lot of downtime where you're just kind of screwing around, not really and seriously, and all of a sudden my grades would, you know, kind of go go to hell on it, but you know, and I'd be like okay, I got to get it back on track and everything like that. But, you know, sports and stuff is is always key for me. It's kind of keep me in line, keep me busy. Yeah, less. What was the what was the recruiting process like? At what point did you think you could probably play in college? Well, I remember like before the the my my senior year. You know, I went to a bunch of camps, I was getting a bunch of letters and you know, if you go online, like you know, is me and like this guy wet Sims, who end up going to Oh you were like you know, he's offensive Lineman, like one and two, you know, top recruits in the state and all this stuff. So I go to probably the worst decision or the worst thing I did before that was go to all these camps. Well, they tied me in the forty and so I'm five nine, you know, Buck seventy five and run a six,...

...you know, and it was just kind of like, and you know, we went faster, we you know. So anyways, I did really well in the camp amps and all that stuff, but at the same time, like they went they didn't want to Signy by that was that small at that speed. So anyway, it says we kind of went through like I didn't get really any offers. T also is going to offer me. Color a state was going to off for me, and then they went. Both teams were so close and then they end up going in the direction. And then Texas tech and up sign me a week after signing day when one of their top recruits ended up going to Boston College. He end up playing in the League Lenny. I forget the name. I don't know. I need to think them though, but thanks for leaving. Yeah, but then, you know, I came in for a visit with Leech and Tommy mcbay, who's there, was with my high school coach. They had coach together before and so they talked and everything like that and, you know, he told him as the best football player you know I've ever been around, and he's like we've been around some good ones. Like you sure by the things I'm telling you, like, this guy's going to be good. So anyways, Tommy kind of put his ass on the line for me and and our priles, you know, was there and really talking to me and all that stuff. I think they're thinking on it was well, if he can't make it as a receiver or DB or running back or whatever, like, we'll just have them kick, because I could kick pretty good. So that was kind of their outlook on it and they ended up offer me and give me a shot. So with you played running back in high school? I did. Yeah, so then you go to the Red Raiders and did you they start you out of running back or did they did they did? Yeah, yeah, so I was probably like running in high school. I was probably like seventy percent running back and then, you know, twenty thirty percent, you know, receiver. Rest to Pinion. You know, I guess. So we didn't have a quarterback who could get you the ball the time. Yeah, well, you know sometimes, sometimes you are in third and eight right. Yeah, yeah, we'll go there and throw the ball. So, but yeah, no, I I enjoyed both of them, like I liked running back. But yeah, I started out there attack as a running back and then, you know, they slowly start moving me to you know, in that offense they called it the h because, you know, the salt receiver over there. And you know, I think by about the fourth or fifth, fifth game, they finally started me. I'd return a couple punts and different things like that, having a lot of success from practice and you know, they it was a deal where they didn't want to play me, but they just I don't know, I just didn't get me to give him a choice, like they made. Were like, all right, we got a plan them. You know, yeah, yeah, you, I mean you show. That's all you got to do is somebody like you is put you on a field and you're got to show what you can do. And that's what upsets me. A lot of types about footballs, at these scouts. They look for all these big glorious guys, you know, I've talked about this receivers, you know, just I want somebody who works hard, who's going to come out every day and bust our ass, who has a heart of gold. You know what I mean? Like there could be guys who run at three and you're like man, I don't really want to be around that guy. I know do trust me. Yeah, we've just did like evaluations, be a zoom and everything like that. You're with the forty niners and it was, you know, it's it's it's always looking at what he can do. I get all that, like okay, it is in...

...his body. I get it. Same time, like he's not doing it. So it's like I hear where you're coming from, but like, to me, that's a coach killer. Yeah, like all right, like I'm gonna have to you know, you're on spend a lot of time, a lot of hours, you know, just getting the guy to play hard, and it's like I don't have time like sit there and make somebody want to play football, like that should be like easy, that should be like fun, you know, like well, you're always thinking for that and Valet, stay and play on your next getaway to Los Angeles, the Weston Bonaventure Hotel and sweets offers effortless access to all the city of angels has to offer. Whether you're hoping to catch a concert or sporting event. Our hotel is just moments away from all the action and accessible to Hollywood beaches, museums and theme parks. The package includes a guest room and valet parking. For reservations, use Promo Code PSF in the code box when making your online reservation, or call one two hundred and three, six, two four one thou and ask for Promo Code PSF. Well, it reminds me of like David boss. Remember David? He was with us in in Miami, right yeah, and I remember I went up to him and I said Look, David, you know everybody loves to go route. Where do you like it? Some people like it high and back shoulder, some people want to go get it. You know, what do you he said, you know, as long as you just put it right here in my chest every time. Perfect. And I'm like, so throw up perfectly to you every time. Forty five yards? He said yes, and I'm like, what is that like? Who Who answers a question like that? David Bostom was something else. It was. Yeah, use a trip now that that was a crazy year, you know, because he I was I was a third receiver. We had Marty Booker, Chris Chambers, David Boston, and there I am as the third receiver and I'm doing, I mean David boss is barely did I mean taking any Reps. I'm doing scout team. I'm doing all the receivers us, like I'm dying, like I'm just like this is taking years off my life right here. Yeah, but it was. It was so hot. Every day was so hot and humid. West, Dave West, would run behind me like an emotion and all you hear was his shoes going so much little sweating it. Ohh Man, yeah, it's nice. It's not rain, it is pure sweat. And it was just like then, I after practice we'd have to run, but they didn't just do want to do running drills. So they have the quarterbacks drop back and throw the receivers bombs. Like ran for two and a half hours and then we have to throw them bombs. Yeah, yeah, and then like everybody's bitching about it and everything else, and he's like, all right, well, we'll do a five minute break. They're practice and when throw some cold towels on your neck. Yeah, oh my Gosh, man, saying. Was this Nick Saban? Yeah, he wasn't here. I would say that Nick wasn't a player favorite that year. Now, now I think it's hard, man. We come from college, you know, and it's like you you got those kids right where you want them, like, I don't know, and you know, really kind of change the atmosphere as drastically as you know he did. I think it's it's hard and I think guys bought in and everything, like Dad. But you know, I think there were some guys that well, he lost. He lost junior say out real early, oh no, Darny camp when we wanted to take our helmets off to stretch, and we even asked them and he's like yeah, no problem. Then we come out the next day for practice and we all take her helmets off and he started screaming at us and junior was like, Whoa Nick, we just talked about this. You know, there we got like a hall of fame linebacker playing for us and...

...and you know, everybody's following his lead and he does it and Nick's ripping them a new one and I'm like, oh, that's not how you do treat a hall of Famer like that? That was crazy. Well, and I remember we're out there stretching and and junior had been like out of town or whatever kind of keep. Finally came for the mandatory stuff. Yeah, for the minicamp or whatever. And you know, like you're talking about, we're sitting there like you're in stretch and and only the helmet deal, but we sits there and you know, it's like the college deal where you're like all right, down to the right, two, three foot, you know. You know, and you're clapping and all this, and it's like junior looks around, he's like, okay, Sabans here, yeah, even, all right, yeah, you know, kind of like dry they're by clap, you know. I yeah, that's pretty funny, even though it's dysfunctional. Some of that stuff was. We had a pretty good team in Miami. Yeah, we had a lot of fun. I mean, I look back out I wish I would have thrown you the ball a lot more, but it was love. When you're called. I mean back then we're running that real pro style off. We're like well, eleven personnel, YEA, letting it. It was just a third down. You know, is when it you know, I finally got to come into the game, or is too minute? You know, now's pretty much it. You know, back then, like a lot of teams just weren't using the salt receiver all that much. Now, Dave and we had we had a turn hurricane go through that year. Yeah, remember that last when we had a bit of the facility the day of the hurricane like it. People's houses are destroyed, pulled, trees down, everything. We have no power. Yeah, gotta come getators, like running lamps so you can like s there's like lamps in the middle of the locker room so you can see. It was while, man, it was a want of a passion out of Sabin. It sounds like. Yeah, yeah, I wish we had had those, like the cell phone. Like I don't remember cell funds back then. I don't either, but if you could just like imagine video, I could have videoed all that stuff and just, yeah, this is what we went through. It's crazy. Oh, no, doubt, no doubt. He West going back to college. Um, you played under Mike Leach. He's definitely an unusual character. Like what was your relationship play with him? Me and my got around, got along awesome like we had. We had an awesome time together. I got I love Mike. I think the only thing on my is like if a means starts at eight o'clock, it means maybe going to start like a thirty or nine. Damn. I think he you know Mike's he's going to be Pike. I. He and he he just kind of does his thing. But I love them. I every year there's usually some receivers. I get him a call about whether watching state or, you know, if he's gotten to see some of these guys from Mississippi State and stuff like that, and he's funny man. Like we get a tie. I love talking to him, but every single time, like I know that I got a I gotta be ready to have an hour. You know we're going to be be essing about this and that, and you know he's down. And he called me back one time and he was ordering his food and I'm like, you want to order your food and then call me where? I know we're good. We're going to yeah, tell me the chicken. Is that better the steak? I mean I love the guy. Like what was he like? dooring games with he was actually pretty cool, like you know, he can rip you'll. He'll rip you every once in a while and, you know, tell us to get our your stuff together and everything like that. But the thing I liked about him is he just you like all right,...

I will score the next drive, you know, like there's no panic, there's no like, oh my gosh, I don't know what to call. I don't you know, he's just kind of take his notes. All Right, okay, yeah, all right, we're there. is where his playbooks pretty intense or just pretty basic, very basic? Yeah, I think it's all the little bit. But I mean really, we ran like twenty and thirty plays over and over again, like there was there one like a game play and play where we're like, okay, we can really get take advantage of it, of this or whatever. Just like I don't we just run what we run and perfect it. MMM. You know, it's it's almost like the you know, wing tea or you know right. It's like you just just try to perfect it and get the techniques right and you know all the stuff. So he wants to get west the ball. What play was he calling? Well, it was a six hundred and eighteen. H Six hundred and eighteen, those ace ace right, or ace. You just call it a six hundred and eighteen h. It was funny because when I got there it was just six hundred and eighteen. It's basically like a return route by the why, and so anyways, on the other side that h would have a slant, and so that's the only way they ran it. I was like, can we call this six hundred and eighteen h so I can run the return around and I and all on it, you know, like the quick little slant, like it's not now really. So the why was kind of the position to play in the offense. Yeah, and so I finally my sophomore year I got to do six hundred and eighteen h and then my junior year I was able to he had it in. There was ninety four, which is ninety four is the protection, it's the routes, it's everything. Every call ninety four. Everybody knows what Todd I ace ninety four. It's definitely not west coast, is it? No, no, not all as the thing like I didn't be like I really knew. I and you watch like guys at the combine that you know kind of come from the air raid offense. I had no idea what a speed out was right, no idea, like I'm just sit there and I there, I all right, run a speed out on my okay, I know I'm going outside, but like all right, and I just kind of they're like no, dude, it's six steps sets. You know, it's been on which boats up or whatever, and I am sitting there on my oh okay, and then you just stick your foot in the ground and you, you know, try to get flat with it. Yeah, yeah, do you think that hurt you? It's San Diego at all. Yeah, absolutely. There's a big learning curve, you know. But if you know, I got lucky because I had James Lofton as my truly on Oh yeah, like that's great guy. Ton of just having that guy and really being able to pick his brain, and then Tim Dwight was in the room as well, which, you know, being able to learn from him and how to be a pro and all those different things, like, you know, all those things were really, really crucial for me, you know, being able to make it in the League West. Did you think you weren't drafted? Did you think you may be drafted? A weep? Was it a conclusion you're going to be a free agent? That's like outside shot, like in the seventh round or something, that it could happen, but you know, I really didn't think I probably would, you know. I mean again, it was four, six, forty, you know, change there, you know, and stuff like that. So I knew that was that's probably gonna be the case. So westells like the process of when you're undrafted and then you got an agent. Who was your agent? Back then it was Jeff Nally and Van mcroy,...

Van Okay. So so what is? What was that like? So you don't get drafted, and so what do they do? They just try to find team. Did they know where you're going to go right away? Did it take a while? Yeah, so teams are like calling them and you know, it's weird now because the way I do it is I call the player. Yeah, you know, I'm like a man, I really, and I'm calling them like in the seventh round and different things like that. But back then, I I didn't feel like nobody really called or anything, but they talked to my agents and it was like Green Bay, it was Tennessee and it was San Diego. I think think those were the three. Were whatever. But anyways, you know, the special team's coach really likes me there in San Diego and everything like that, and so I don't know, I just kind of went with it. James Alton is going to be my coach, all those different things. You know, it is. It was probably the best decision I made. How is Marty fighting? I'm team. How was he? Yeah, did you like? He was awesome. I Love Marty of a coach. Kept Guy's accountable. Good Dude. I enjoyed them. He said that that was the biggest mistake he's ever made as a coach was letting you go. Really, yeah, I don't know, man. Yeah, I mean he's it was awesome, but I don't think it was a mistake at all because I got to be friends with you in Miami there. Yeah, absolutely worked out all right. I was worked out. Ye. So so then you get you let go by the chargers, you come to Miami, you're there for what, two years, I think, right, three, three years. Three, yeah, and then get to go to the Patriots. How direct did who talked to you? Was it like during the season they came up to you and said, Hey, we know you're going to be a free agent, or how was that? Now, really, you know I had had some good games against them and that I remember second game of my lab that two thousand and six season. Like you know, the Patriots basically doubled me every third down. So I was like all right, well, these guys actually think pretty highly of me or something, you know, like yeah, I know what they're we got Chris Chambers and Marty Booker and these guys are pretty established, you know, accomplished type players, and he's doubling me. So anyways, I didn't really think anything of it. But as the season was over, you know, they talked to my agents and they were like, you know, is keep it quiet. But you know, I think if they tender you at the second round level as a restrict of free agent, that the Patriots are gonna make a run for you. Time, not that I was going to say timeliness to meeting. This is a little bit different with belicheck than it was with Mike Leach, I guess. Huh Oh, yeah, no, absolutely, half an hour early probably, instead of a hat that. Well, he's not as strict as you would think on that. Just beyond time, I it's all be there a day to clock, like you know. It's not. I've heard about Tom Coughlin, where it's like all right, says eight o'clock, but it's really seven hundred and fifty five. I I don't know. Like so so we're so when you go to the Patriots and then you get to kind of start playing with Tom a little bit, how did that relationship come because I know that. I mean he threw more paths to you than I maybe anybody else ever at the for the for the Patriots. How did that relationship kind of Geel with you guys? It was great, I mean I know. You know, I later found out that Tom was like a big advocate. You know, the want to get me there. Just you know, watch him film through the season being the same division and you know what I did against the jets and bills and different things like...

...that. So you know he was excited about it and you know we we worked our tails off that whole spring. You know, our first season together was I wouldn't say the whole season, but it was pretty tough. Like you know, there's a certain way they want stuff run ran and so, you know, US getting on the same page with all that stuff and how he wants it and what he thought I did wrong. But you know he like there was times I was like man, screw Tom Man. Yeah, but like as we it was great though, because even, you know, my six season there, after every you know, period we went through, like we go over there to the side and would be like all right, what do you think on that play? Did you like what I did? They're all right, I felt like I could have done this and he's like yeah, I know, I thought you could have done that a little bit more too. You know. So we're just always evolving and always like talking about those little little details of you know, I I just always wanted to be in the spot where you wanted to be me to be in it. That helped me as a player. Really can't just understand like what he wanted. Yeah, you know. And so now it helped my mind think. Okay, I know, I know why he didn't want me to do it like that, but and that helps me as far as like him playing the position. Okay, yeah, that's easier for me, but it's harder for him. Okay, how do I make it easier for him? Okay, I'm going to do it this way. So it gave me perspective on what he's seeing and what he's looking at. If you had to pick one thing that you think would out of all his attributes. What do you think, though? One thing is that made hit, made him obviously the goat of all the quarterbacks would have ever played the game. I mean he's tough as hell. I mean that dude like they're. I think he's tough as ill and I think he sees the feel better than anybody I've ever been our. I mean that guy and you're pretty good to Gush. Really Yeah, none the same category, but that guys he saw the fields so well, like he he knew where people were, where they were and if they were out of place or anything like that. He never wouldn't say he ever predetermined, unless you knew as man to man coverage, you knew his band a man coverage. He's going with the matchup. So you know that was always the way he kind of things in the matchup could be different a lot of ways. It's like, okay, I don't like less on a seam route against to keep to leave, but I like him on to return around and as knowing the play and knowing the skill sets and understanding all that, especially in man coverage. Like all right, this is where I'm going to go. Okay, grunts on a linebacker all day and I'm take them. Okay, like you know, if there's a really talented safety on, you know, a stick route or something like that, he's like I I may have a better option somewhere. Well, it goes back to the NFL's all about matchups, no doubt. I mean that's what it comes down to. I got to get my best guy. Now, when you had moss with you, and you, and I mean yeah, did you like be on opposite side of him or the same side as Randy? Same, sorry, all day. I loved, you know, he was taking two guys. Oh, they're they're going to play cloud coverage. Now I'm getting inside leverage. Yeah, now, now, that's now. It's my game, you know. And then they're like, okay, fine, we'll put a plug player in the middle and we'll take walker away. Okay, fine, we'll throw a go to moss, like it's so it was. It was. It was a good compliment for each other and obviously, you know, I've benefited a...

...lot more than he did for me, but you know, just being able to have him out there as at presence like that and being on the same side. Like I wish we had done it a lot more. You know, it just you know, there were times even I remember we played Miami and we're on the same side and they're playing covers zero on the other side and there they got four guys on us. Yeah, so couple team, you know, us with all these guys and it's covers zero over here, and now we got Jabar Gafney and Bid Watson and you know, some of these guys were it's like okay, like there can't be, you know, covers zero. Yeah, Randy was a great guy. I don't know. Did you get jeff played dominoes with him? I don't know if I ever played dominos with I know we played. Yeah, but they played a Minnesota quite a lot, quite a bit. He's a lot of fun there. He's awesome. It was a trip and it was a trip. Now. We had a lot of fun together, man. We had a really cool room with a bar and Dante stalworth and and Randy like we had a lot of fun in that room. Yeah, people as Woll, how was your relationship with grunk? It was awesome. I love grown. That's that's my guy, man. He I mean it's such a fun dude. I mean what you see is what you get, and there's nothing bake about them. There's no, it's not an act, it's not a you know, like he's well, it is now because he's in it, wwe or whatever it is. been like just because he thinks it's funny. Yeah, he just so this is cool, you know, like slip people around and be a meathead. Yeah, it's everything you see is very authentic about him, you know. So now it was a lot of fun to be around and I went to university Arizona, so the football tradition is shallow at best. But the monk in Teddy Bruski, I believe it years, also probably one two on the list. So you played with both of those guys. Teddy seemed I never met Teddy, but he seemed like a pretty solid guy. Oh, ted he's awesome, and Teddy's the best, just great teammate, great everything. Like you know, we're I'm on a text chain with a with a lot of those guys up there. You know, we played together and you know we're always like going back and forth with each other and I mean it gets pretty harsh at times, but it's a lot of fun. Man, we it's pretty funny. I know you can dish it up lest that's for sure, now that I got to man. All Right, one more patriots question for me. What is the what was the play called for? The Ninety Nine Yard touched on the that you guys tied me on. Ha. That was I want to say is like Hoss Posse, the H Jukers, you know, F Juke. Yeah, read right. Yeah, you just took it down the seam right. Yeah, spread right, sixty six, hoss. So, Hoss hitching his seem. So, hit his on the outside, see him on the inside, and then a Juke by whoever that number three players. Yeah, and there was like no safety and yeah, but just played super shallow on that play. Yeah, it's like a twelve yards playing the post safety. So and then that the DB. Like I remember the play like I'm sitting there, all right, we're backed up on the one by. He probably thinks I'm like running something across the field or in it's a quick slan or something like that. So my whole demeanor was feeling this way. Right and so son, and the last second he jumped inside on me before the ball was snapped. I was like perfect we got them and so and then Tom you know, put a dime on me. Yeah, Start Your Day sunny side up at the Weston Bundavent your hotel...

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