Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

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Wes Welker

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Five-time pro-bowler and four-time All-Pro Wes Welker joins the huddle! Welker is a longtime friend and former teammate of Gus (Dolphins) and the two discuss their friendship and more in this 45 minute long episode. While in the huddle, Welker talks about growing up with sports, his many on-the-field achievements, playing with the G.O.A.T Tom Brady, and his new career in coaching as he is currently with the San Francisco 49ers as their WR coach. Join Wes Welker in the huddle with Gus and Dave by listening to this week's episode of Huddle Up With Gus! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome everyone to huddle up with gusts, where we talked to our guests about how sports shape their life. I'myour host, gust far at, fifteen year NFL quarterback, and I'm joinedby my longtime friend and cohost Dave Hagar. You can now find us under thebig top with the sports circus and ring master. Soal look for uson Am TV, a a MP tvcom. Hey everyone, Gus Fra here backwith huddle up with gusts. I'm your post and fifteen year NFL quarterback. I'm joined by my longtime friend at COO's, Dave Aeger blue, andtoday we have a special guest on you can catch us anytime you want onthe new RADIOCOM APP or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast, and youcan also find us under the big top sports circus and also on amtv onhotel television. So today our guest is an old friend of mine. Weplayed together in Miami. West is very well known in the NFL for playingand coaching now and also very well known in Oklahoma, in Texas, youname it, everybody knows West in the Kentucky Derby, but just a greatperson, great dad, great husband and a good friend of mine. I'mthe really excited to get to know West even better than I already do.So joining us today, west, welcome receivers, coach San Francisco, fortyniners and all the other accolades he has. So West, thanks for joining us. I appreciate it. Gus and day, thanks for having me on. Man, I know it's been trying to try, and you know me, and figure out technology and and all this stuff. Skype is not mystrong suit, so I appreciate you hadn't big no, skype has been goinglike downhill and we're trying to you know, all these other technologies are coming upand we're like, you know what, we want to stay old school andnew skype and probably, yeah, that's true, and that coulow likewe're feeling like we're old school and it's like we're using skype. Is Oldschool now? Yeah, yeah, silent are we come? Yeah, itis. It is so west. All right, you grew up in OklahomaCity. You were player of the year when you were senior in high school. But really we want to know is, what was that first time you fellin love with sports? Do you remember, going way back as whenyou said. Man, this is everything I want to do. I justlove being out here playing, no matter what game it is. Um,I think it's always been that way, but I think the first time Ireally kind of clicked for me, I was like four years old and playingsoccer and I just kind out there running around and whatever. I'm fun andall that stuff, just like, you know, I fourgirld twin, justlike they are. And then all the sudden, you know, I kickedit, kicked in the goal, you know, got a goal, andeverybody start cheering and stuff, and I was like, Oh, you wantme to do that? Oh Yeah, I got you, and it wasjust from there was I goal, goal, goal, you know, and justI was like, Oh, this is like just enjoyed it. Alwaysenjoyed being around sports. You know, my I had an older brothers,five years older, and you know, we always, you know, doingsomething athletic, you know, some source of sports. We would build ourown goals in the backyard to play soccer and you know all that stuff.Are Our neighbor. He still I wouldn't say dislikes me or anything like that, but we went through a few fences in the backyard just hammering the ballup against it and everything like that. So so ever since I'm out sayfor you've probably earlier in that. So Sauda was your first love. Andthen what else did you play? I'm I did a little bit of basketball, did baseball a little bit, did...

...some track, but you know,early on it was it was really soccer was the main thing that you know, I was playing year around from, you know, the time I wasfour years old and until I, you know, pretty much got into highschool and then high school I you know, playing the spring and everything like that, but it was kind of a year round thing for me. Whatabout like organized football? Well, I actually start playing in the sixth grade. I had a couple buddies who were on a team and I wanted toplay so bad but, you know, parents are like and we got bya helmet, you got by shoulder pat like with soccer. You get someShin Guards, some cleats and a ball, and a lot of times people hadballs already. So, like you just here you go. And withfootball like there's, you know, a lot more costs and different things likethat, a lot more commitment that goes into it. But I begged andpleaded let me play in sixth grade and and they they finally, you know, let me play. I went to one of my buddy's practices and theywere cold. My friends were telling the coach that I was, you know, pretty fast and stuff. So they let me run with them and Iwas beating everybody. So I was like he's like, you know, youshould play football. I was like, okay, and so I told myparents and, you know, script together some money and, you know,I've got some shoulder pads, elmt but whole deal. And and you know, from there it was I just loved it. It was the first timeyou got popped when you were playing. You know, it's play. Iremember to this day, you know. So I kicked off. You know, usually kickers you sit there and kick and right now kind of chill backthere. Well, I kick off and just sprint down the field and nobodyreally talks about tackling or anything like that. And next thing you know, youtell like his kids been playing since he was like five or six orwhatever, tackle football, and he says are and runs me clean over.I tackle them but I'm on my back and I'm like no, I didwhat I'm supposed to do. Like the coaches laugh and I like he's likeman, he has no idea what he's but I was like no, Igot them on the ground, like it's cool, I'm fine, you know, but the dud just ran me over. And you know, and I rememberjust thinking, that where I really kind of learned. You know,all right, I'm going to be the aggressive one, I'm going to bethe one and pose my will and somebody else. And you know, understoodGal because whenever you're playing the backyard, it's like you pull somebody down bythe shirt, you get them on the ground somehow, some way, whatever. But with pads you're like, Oh, wait a sec I can use thesethings and so or to figure out like okay, I can lower myshoulder on somebody and and really kind of impose your will and somebody else.Yeah, you know, that was that jeating your high then. Well,yeah, that was yeah, that was sixth grade, and then the nextyear, you know, start playing with the school there. So that thisthe sixth grade team was, you know, we're called the Edmund bulldogs. Andthen Oklahoma. Yeah, Yeah, R outside O. Come to see, they're basically oak on the city. It's all the same. But butyeah, we totally you. You weren't a farm kid right from Oklahoma?Mu No, no, did you have buddies that were on head forms?Everybody thinks I'm, you know, the tiger king or something like that,and necessarily like that. You know, like you know I'm, you know, from the city. You know, like so, we's steam people likethe tiger king. But Oh, yeah, but you's are too good to bethe tiger king. Yeah, what, your teeth are too good to bethe tiger king. I'm APPI sent three right now that all seen.The teeth are unbelievable. I know, Trulie, I will you know Iquit math at an early age. I...

...like that's a good route. Ihad to quit watching. It got a little too he'll billy for me.But and then I would just go in and when Abbey and Annie were watching, I'd go in and catch some parts and then leave and I'm like allright, and sit there and watch that. I mean it was just too muchfor me. It's a decent singer. He's not a bad singers. Here'swhen he does it's him. Oh you mounting at no, no,I think it's somebody else singing. Okay, I think it's him, it ispretty good. If it's him, they're that guy likes here, likeshere in his own voice too much. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Speakingvoice, like his singing voice is different than the speaking voice. And thisis speaking voice. Is Ridiculous. Is it singing? Singing in prison rightnow? Hey, so, west so, you go through, you start playingfootball. We were three sport athlete when you got the high school.Yeah, for the well, basketball, I was early on my freshman year. I mean I wanted to be on Varsity and stuff and I'm coming offfootball where I got to play a lot and everything like that. And andthen anyways, I'm on the freshman team for a while there and it wasjust like, I don't know, I've I was like you're on this crappycore, you know, and I'm like like, so, I saw doingbasketball and then I just kind of did soccer all the way through. SoI was like I'm just going to do soccer instead. I am basketball neverreally my thing. So you know, you didn't run track either in highschool. I did. I did do track. I think it was justfreshman sophomore year I did track and then like junior senior, I did soccer. What was your Um High School like athletically? Was it? Is ita in a big league or was it a smaller one? Or No,it we're like class too A. we're like an academic school. So it'sa small private school there in Oklahoma City. You know, it's it's it wasmore about academics whenever I went there. And it's funny like now it's likeit is a sports play, like it's it's it's academics, but it'sthere's a big us on athletics as well. And she I think we've won stayCham chip in football like six or seven times now and before we werejust you know, and we want in my junior year and then they wantedto like five or six times since that. But whenever I was there, islike happy to go to the playoffs type deal. Yeah, so thenyou get into high school. Did you get some scholarship operas for soccer?I didn't know. I mean Oklahoma's never known as like a place that peoplewould go to to recruit for soccer or anything like that. So it was, you know, and I never really thought of soccer in that way.You know, like they're there one a lot of full riots for soccer forguys from Oklahoma. Yeah, so they usually we're reserved for people from Arizonaand Florida and yeah, Texas, North Carolina, you know that type ofstuff. So, yeah, it's a little bit difference. Part of thatgoes but I was never, you know, I played soccer so much from foreight four years old on, year round. Really I just kind ofgot burned out on it and so, you know, when football came out, I got was chomping at the bit to play football and and then finallygot to and you know, it's a good balance of being able to playother sports because it's just you know that that fall season and then all Iget a break from it and then you can't wait to get back out therethe next season and all those different things. One thing I always noticed was whenI played at football and then when I coached in high school, wasI went to every sport. I had...

...to coach three different sports in highschool and do all that stuff. You go to a soccer match during theday and it's okay. I mean you get moms and dads and some fansare but there's nothing like Friday night lights like yeah, there's no excitement likeit in any other sport that you're going to play besides maybe a state championshipgame. But every game on Friday night is just something different than every othersport and that excitement, you know, like what you're saying is you probablygetting burned out, I can see in football, while you wouldn't in highschool because of the excitement of especially in Oklahoma, football is pretty big.No, I absolutely now it was. You know, it was awesome.You know, in our our school like really kind of got behind the team. You know, my junior year we had you know, when fifteen andoh and like everyways, like we're supposed to suck at football, you know, and here we are stay team chip game and like everybody, you know, just parents get all excited and Gil Morgan, the Golfer, his daughterwent to the school. He bought the whole team, like we're playing onthe turf, so we got the whole team turf shoes for the game,like everybody just, you know, there's a huge caravan going down, Ithirty five to still water to play the game. You know, just there'sit was cool. It's just, you know, a lot of excitement anda lot of you know, it was a really cool year. Did youplay at in the stadium? It's still water for the Yamato. That's cool. Yeah, yeah, you know, you saw like a there was likealumni from you know, s s and all that stuff like come in andall fired up about it. And there's never thought like heritage hall was goingto be a place I was going to win a state championship. Right.It's like, you know, we got to take advantage of this, likethis ain't gonna happen again. Right, no. Well, you know what'sfunny? West as where Abbey and gunner and gate went to high school andin St Louis, was like that, very academic, and you get somebodylike you, get somebody like I coach Zeku Elliott and high school there,and change the whole dynamics of what it means to be an athlete and anacademic student. Right, you know not. And so people like you come alongand say, yeah, why can't you do both? I can't?We be good in both, you know, and and those people sometimes I thinkthey really just had an idea like it was inter murals more than beinga real sport. Then we can win championships in right, and you're probablya test of this. You know, like when you're in college. Right, like my great my best grades were like during football season and I alwaysI'm on a routine, you know, I'm you know, it's like Igot to get this done, this, and you know, my day isfull and all of a sudden the spring comes around. Say Yeah, Iwork out, okay, go to class, and then you just got a lotof downtime where you're just kind of screwing around, not really and seriously, and all of a sudden my grades would, you know, kind ofgo go to hell on it, but you know, and I'd be likeokay, I got to get it back on track and everything like that.But, you know, sports and stuff is is always key for me.It's kind of keep me in line, keep me busy. Yeah, less. What was the what was the recruiting process like? At what point didyou think you could probably play in college? Well, I remember like before thethe my my senior year. You know, I went to a bunchof camps, I was getting a bunch of letters and you know, ifyou go online, like you know, is me and like this guy wetSims, who end up going to Oh you were like you know, he'soffensive Lineman, like one and two, you know, top recruits in thestate and all this stuff. So I go to probably the worst decision orthe worst thing I did before that was go to all these camps. Well, they tied me in the forty and so I'm five nine, you know, Buck seventy five and run a six,...

...you know, and it was justkind of like, and you know, we went faster, we you know. So anyways, I did really well in the camp amps and allthat stuff, but at the same time, like they went they didn't want toSigny by that was that small at that speed. So anyway, itsays we kind of went through like I didn't get really any offers. Talso is going to offer me. Color a state was going to off forme, and then they went. Both teams were so close and then theyend up going in the direction. And then Texas tech and up sign mea week after signing day when one of their top recruits ended up going toBoston College. He end up playing in the League Lenny. I forget thename. I don't know. I need to think them though, but thanksfor leaving. Yeah, but then, you know, I came in fora visit with Leech and Tommy mcbay, who's there, was with my highschool coach. They had coach together before and so they talked and everything likethat and, you know, he told him as the best football player youknow I've ever been around, and he's like we've been around some good ones. Like you sure by the things I'm telling you, like, this guy'sgoing to be good. So anyways, Tommy kind of put his ass onthe line for me and and our priles, you know, was there and reallytalking to me and all that stuff. I think they're thinking on it waswell, if he can't make it as a receiver or DB or runningback or whatever, like, we'll just have them kick, because I couldkick pretty good. So that was kind of their outlook on it and theyended up offer me and give me a shot. So with you played runningback in high school? I did. Yeah, so then you go tothe Red Raiders and did you they start you out of running back or didthey did they did? Yeah, yeah, so I was probably like running inhigh school. I was probably like seventy percent running back and then,you know, twenty thirty percent, you know, receiver. Rest to Pinion. You know, I guess. So we didn't have a quarterback who couldget you the ball the time. Yeah, well, you know sometimes, sometimesyou are in third and eight right. Yeah, yeah, we'll go thereand throw the ball. So, but yeah, no, I Ienjoyed both of them, like I liked running back. But yeah, Istarted out there attack as a running back and then, you know, theyslowly start moving me to you know, in that offense they called it theh because, you know, the salt receiver over there. And you know, I think by about the fourth or fifth, fifth game, they finallystarted me. I'd return a couple punts and different things like that, havinga lot of success from practice and you know, they it was a dealwhere they didn't want to play me, but they just I don't know,I just didn't get me to give him a choice, like they made.Were like, all right, we got a plan them. You know,yeah, yeah, you, I mean you show. That's all you gotto do is somebody like you is put you on a field and you're gotto show what you can do. And that's what upsets me. A lotof types about footballs, at these scouts. They look for all these big gloriousguys, you know, I've talked about this receivers, you know,just I want somebody who works hard, who's going to come out every dayand bust our ass, who has a heart of gold. You know whatI mean? Like there could be guys who run at three and you're likeman, I don't really want to be around that guy. I know dotrust me. Yeah, we've just did like evaluations, be a zoom andeverything like that. You're with the forty niners and it was, you know, it's it's it's always looking at what he can do. I get allthat, like okay, it is in...

...his body. I get it.Same time, like he's not doing it. So it's like I hear where you'recoming from, but like, to me, that's a coach killer.Yeah, like all right, like I'm gonna have to you know, you'reon spend a lot of time, a lot of hours, you know,just getting the guy to play hard, and it's like I don't have timelike sit there and make somebody want to play football, like that should belike easy, that should be like fun, you know, like well, you'realways thinking for that and Valet, stay and play on your next getawayto Los Angeles, the Weston Bonaventure Hotel and sweets offers effortless access to allthe city of angels has to offer. Whether you're hoping to catch a concertor sporting event. Our hotel is just moments away from all the action andaccessible to Hollywood beaches, museums and theme parks. The package includes a guestroom and valet parking. For reservations, use Promo Code PSF in the codebox when making your online reservation, or call one two hundred and three,six, two four one thou and ask for Promo Code PSF. Well,it reminds me of like David boss. Remember David? He was with usin in Miami, right yeah, and I remember I went up to himand I said Look, David, you know everybody loves to go route.Where do you like it? Some people like it high and back shoulder,some people want to go get it. You know, what do you hesaid, you know, as long as you just put it right here inmy chest every time. Perfect. And I'm like, so throw up perfectlyto you every time. Forty five yards? He said yes, and I'm like, what is that like? Who Who answers a question like that?David Bostom was something else. It was. Yeah, use a trip now thatthat was a crazy year, you know, because he I was Iwas a third receiver. We had Marty Booker, Chris Chambers, David Boston, and there I am as the third receiver and I'm doing, I meanDavid boss is barely did I mean taking any Reps. I'm doing scout team. I'm doing all the receivers us, like I'm dying, like I'm justlike this is taking years off my life right here. Yeah, but itwas. It was so hot. Every day was so hot and humid.West, Dave West, would run behind me like an emotion and all youhear was his shoes going so much little sweating it. Ohh Man, yeah, it's nice. It's not rain, it is pure sweat. And itwas just like then, I after practice we'd have to run, but theydidn't just do want to do running drills. So they have the quarterbacks drop backand throw the receivers bombs. Like ran for two and a half hoursand then we have to throw them bombs. Yeah, yeah, and then likeeverybody's bitching about it and everything else, and he's like, all right,well, we'll do a five minute break. They're practice and when throwsome cold towels on your neck. Yeah, oh my Gosh, man, saying. Was this Nick Saban? Yeah, he wasn't here. I would saythat Nick wasn't a player favorite that year. Now, now I thinkit's hard, man. We come from college, you know, and it'slike you you got those kids right where you want them, like, Idon't know, and you know, really kind of change the atmosphere as drasticallyas you know he did. I think it's it's hard and I think guysbought in and everything, like Dad. But you know, I think therewere some guys that well, he lost. He lost junior say out real early, oh no, Darny camp when we wanted to take our helmets offto stretch, and we even asked them and he's like yeah, no problem. Then we come out the next day for practice and we all take herhelmets off and he started screaming at us and junior was like, Whoa Nick, we just talked about this. You know, there we got like ahall of fame linebacker playing for us and...

...and you know, everybody's following hislead and he does it and Nick's ripping them a new one and I'm like, oh, that's not how you do treat a hall of Famer like that? That was crazy. Well, and I remember we're out there stretching andand junior had been like out of town or whatever kind of keep. Finallycame for the mandatory stuff. Yeah, for the minicamp or whatever. Andyou know, like you're talking about, we're sitting there like you're in stretchand and only the helmet deal, but we sits there and you know,it's like the college deal where you're like all right, down to the right, two, three foot, you know. You know, and you're clapping andall this, and it's like junior looks around, he's like, okay, Sabans here, yeah, even, all right, yeah, you know, kind of like dry they're by clap, you know. I yeah, that'spretty funny, even though it's dysfunctional. Some of that stuff was. Wehad a pretty good team in Miami. Yeah, we had a lot offun. I mean, I look back out I wish I would havethrown you the ball a lot more, but it was love. When you'recalled. I mean back then we're running that real pro style off. We'relike well, eleven personnel, YEA, letting it. It was just athird down. You know, is when it you know, I finally gotto come into the game, or is too minute? You know, now'spretty much it. You know, back then, like a lot of teamsjust weren't using the salt receiver all that much. Now, Dave and wehad we had a turn hurricane go through that year. Yeah, remember thatlast when we had a bit of the facility the day of the hurricane likeit. People's houses are destroyed, pulled, trees down, everything. We haveno power. Yeah, gotta come getators, like running lamps so youcan like s there's like lamps in the middle of the locker room so youcan see. It was while, man, it was a want of a passionout of Sabin. It sounds like. Yeah, yeah, I wish wehad had those, like the cell phone. Like I don't remember cellfunds back then. I don't either, but if you could just like imaginevideo, I could have videoed all that stuff and just, yeah, thisis what we went through. It's crazy. Oh, no, doubt, nodoubt. He West going back to college. Um, you played underMike Leach. He's definitely an unusual character. Like what was your relationship play withhim? Me and my got around, got along awesome like we had.We had an awesome time together. I got I love Mike. Ithink the only thing on my is like if a means starts at eight o'clock, it means maybe going to start like a thirty or nine. Damn.I think he you know Mike's he's going to be Pike. I. Heand he he just kind of does his thing. But I love them.I every year there's usually some receivers. I get him a call about whetherwatching state or, you know, if he's gotten to see some of theseguys from Mississippi State and stuff like that, and he's funny man. Like weget a tie. I love talking to him, but every single time, like I know that I got a I gotta be ready to have anhour. You know we're going to be be essing about this and that,and you know he's down. And he called me back one time and hewas ordering his food and I'm like, you want to order your food andthen call me where? I know we're good. We're going to yeah,tell me the chicken. Is that better the steak? I mean I lovethe guy. Like what was he like? dooring games with he was actually prettycool, like you know, he can rip you'll. He'll rip youevery once in a while and, you know, tell us to get ouryour stuff together and everything like that. But the thing I liked about himis he just you like all right,...

I will score the next drive,you know, like there's no panic, there's no like, oh my gosh, I don't know what to call. I don't you know, he's justkind of take his notes. All Right, okay, yeah, all right,we're there. is where his playbooks pretty intense or just pretty basic,very basic? Yeah, I think it's all the little bit. But Imean really, we ran like twenty and thirty plays over and over again,like there was there one like a game play and play where we're like,okay, we can really get take advantage of it, of this or whatever. Just like I don't we just run what we run and perfect it.MMM. You know, it's it's almost like the you know, wing teaor you know right. It's like you just just try to perfect it andget the techniques right and you know all the stuff. So he wants toget west the ball. What play was he calling? Well, it wasa six hundred and eighteen. H Six hundred and eighteen, those ace aceright, or ace. You just call it a six hundred and eighteen h. It was funny because when I got there it was just six hundred andeighteen. It's basically like a return route by the why, and so anyways, on the other side that h would have a slant, and so that'sthe only way they ran it. I was like, can we call thissix hundred and eighteen h so I can run the return around and I andall on it, you know, like the quick little slant, like it'snot now really. So the why was kind of the position to play inthe offense. Yeah, and so I finally my sophomore year I got todo six hundred and eighteen h and then my junior year I was able tohe had it in. There was ninety four, which is ninety four isthe protection, it's the routes, it's everything. Every call ninety four.Everybody knows what Todd I ace ninety four. It's definitely not west coast, isit? No, no, not all as the thing like I didn'tbe like I really knew. I and you watch like guys at the combinethat you know kind of come from the air raid offense. I had noidea what a speed out was right, no idea, like I'm just sitthere and I there, I all right, run a speed out on my okay, I know I'm going outside, but like all right, and Ijust kind of they're like no, dude, it's six steps sets. You know, it's been on which boats up or whatever, and I am sittingthere on my oh okay, and then you just stick your foot in theground and you, you know, try to get flat with it. Yeah, yeah, do you think that hurt you? It's San Diego at all. Yeah, absolutely. There's a big learning curve, you know. Butif you know, I got lucky because I had James Lofton as my trulyon Oh yeah, like that's great guy. Ton of just having that guy andreally being able to pick his brain, and then Tim Dwight was in theroom as well, which, you know, being able to learn fromhim and how to be a pro and all those different things, like,you know, all those things were really, really crucial for me, you know, being able to make it in the League West. Did you thinkyou weren't drafted? Did you think you may be drafted? A weep?Was it a conclusion you're going to be a free agent? That's like outsideshot, like in the seventh round or something, that it could happen,but you know, I really didn't think I probably would, you know.I mean again, it was four, six, forty, you know,change there, you know, and stuff like that. So I knew thatwas that's probably gonna be the case. So westells like the process of whenyou're undrafted and then you got an agent. Who was your agent? Back thenit was Jeff Nally and Van mcroy,...

Van Okay. So so what is? What was that like? So you don't get drafted, and sowhat do they do? They just try to find team. Did they knowwhere you're going to go right away? Did it take a while? Yeah, so teams are like calling them and you know, it's weird now becausethe way I do it is I call the player. Yeah, you know, I'm like a man, I really, and I'm calling them like in theseventh round and different things like that. But back then, I I didn'tfeel like nobody really called or anything, but they talked to my agents andit was like Green Bay, it was Tennessee and it was San Diego. I think think those were the three. Were whatever. But anyways, youknow, the special team's coach really likes me there in San Diego andeverything like that, and so I don't know, I just kind of wentwith it. James Alton is going to be my coach, all those differentthings. You know, it is. It was probably the best decision Imade. How is Marty fighting? I'm team. How was he? Yeah, did you like? He was awesome. I Love Marty of a coach.Kept Guy's accountable. Good Dude. I enjoyed them. He said thatthat was the biggest mistake he's ever made as a coach was letting you go. Really, yeah, I don't know, man. Yeah, I mean he'sit was awesome, but I don't think it was a mistake at allbecause I got to be friends with you in Miami there. Yeah, absolutelyworked out all right. I was worked out. Ye. So so thenyou get you let go by the chargers, you come to Miami, you're therefor what, two years, I think, right, three, threeyears. Three, yeah, and then get to go to the Patriots.How direct did who talked to you? Was it like during the season theycame up to you and said, Hey, we know you're going to be afree agent, or how was that? Now, really, you know Ihad had some good games against them and that I remember second game ofmy lab that two thousand and six season. Like you know, the Patriots basicallydoubled me every third down. So I was like all right, well, these guys actually think pretty highly of me or something, you know,like yeah, I know what they're we got Chris Chambers and Marty Booker andthese guys are pretty established, you know, accomplished type players, and he's doublingme. So anyways, I didn't really think anything of it. Butas the season was over, you know, they talked to my agents and theywere like, you know, is keep it quiet. But you know, I think if they tender you at the second round level as a restrictof free agent, that the Patriots are gonna make a run for you.Time, not that I was going to say timeliness to meeting. This isa little bit different with belicheck than it was with Mike Leach, I guess. Huh Oh, yeah, no, absolutely, half an hour early probably, instead of a hat that. Well, he's not as strict as you wouldthink on that. Just beyond time, I it's all be there a dayto clock, like you know. It's not. I've heard about TomCoughlin, where it's like all right, says eight o'clock, but it's reallyseven hundred and fifty five. I I don't know. Like so so we'reso when you go to the Patriots and then you get to kind of startplaying with Tom a little bit, how did that relationship come because I knowthat. I mean he threw more paths to you than I maybe anybody elseever at the for the for the Patriots. How did that relationship kind of Geelwith you guys? It was great, I mean I know. You know, I later found out that Tom was like a big advocate. Youknow, the want to get me there. Just you know, watch him filmthrough the season being the same division and you know what I did againstthe jets and bills and different things like...

...that. So you know he wasexcited about it and you know we we worked our tails off that whole spring. You know, our first season together was I wouldn't say the whole season, but it was pretty tough. Like you know, there's a certain waythey want stuff run ran and so, you know, US getting on thesame page with all that stuff and how he wants it and what he thoughtI did wrong. But you know he like there was times I was likeman, screw Tom Man. Yeah, but like as we it was greatthough, because even, you know, my six season there, after everyyou know, period we went through, like we go over there to theside and would be like all right, what do you think on that play? Did you like what I did? They're all right, I felt likeI could have done this and he's like yeah, I know, I thoughtyou could have done that a little bit more too. You know. Sowe're just always evolving and always like talking about those little little details of youknow, I I just always wanted to be in the spot where you wantedto be me to be in it. That helped me as a player.Really can't just understand like what he wanted. Yeah, you know. And sonow it helped my mind think. Okay, I know, I knowwhy he didn't want me to do it like that, but and that helpsme as far as like him playing the position. Okay, yeah, that'seasier for me, but it's harder for him. Okay, how do Imake it easier for him? Okay, I'm going to do it this way. So it gave me perspective on what he's seeing and what he's looking at. If you had to pick one thing that you think would out of allhis attributes. What do you think, though? One thing is that madehit, made him obviously the goat of all the quarterbacks would have ever playedthe game. I mean he's tough as hell. I mean that dude likethey're. I think he's tough as ill and I think he sees the feelbetter than anybody I've ever been our. I mean that guy and you're prettygood to Gush. Really Yeah, none the same category, but that guyshe saw the fields so well, like he he knew where people were,where they were and if they were out of place or anything like that.He never wouldn't say he ever predetermined, unless you knew as man to mancoverage, you knew his band a man coverage. He's going with the matchup. So you know that was always the way he kind of things in thematchup could be different a lot of ways. It's like, okay, I don'tlike less on a seam route against to keep to leave, but Ilike him on to return around and as knowing the play and knowing the skillsets and understanding all that, especially in man coverage. Like all right,this is where I'm going to go. Okay, grunts on a linebacker allday and I'm take them. Okay, like you know, if there's areally talented safety on, you know, a stick route or something like that, he's like I I may have a better option somewhere. Well, itgoes back to the NFL's all about matchups, no doubt. I mean that's whatit comes down to. I got to get my best guy. Now, when you had moss with you, and you, and I mean yeah, did you like be on opposite side of him or the same side asRandy? Same, sorry, all day. I loved, you know, hewas taking two guys. Oh, they're they're going to play cloud coverage. Now I'm getting inside leverage. Yeah, now, now, that's now.It's my game, you know. And then they're like, okay,fine, we'll put a plug player in the middle and we'll take walker away. Okay, fine, we'll throw a go to moss, like it's soit was. It was. It was a good compliment for each other andobviously, you know, I've benefited a...

...lot more than he did for me, but you know, just being able to have him out there as atpresence like that and being on the same side. Like I wish we haddone it a lot more. You know, it just you know, there weretimes even I remember we played Miami and we're on the same side andthey're playing covers zero on the other side and there they got four guys onus. Yeah, so couple team, you know, us with all theseguys and it's covers zero over here, and now we got Jabar Gafney andBid Watson and you know, some of these guys were it's like okay,like there can't be, you know, covers zero. Yeah, Randy wasa great guy. I don't know. Did you get jeff played dominoes withhim? I don't know if I ever played dominos with I know we played. Yeah, but they played a Minnesota quite a lot, quite a bit. He's a lot of fun there. He's awesome. It was a tripand it was a trip. Now. We had a lot of fun together, man. We had a really cool room with a bar and Dante stalworthand and Randy like we had a lot of fun in that room. Yeah, people as Woll, how was your relationship with grunk? It was awesome. I love grown. That's that's my guy, man. He I meanit's such a fun dude. I mean what you see is what you get, and there's nothing bake about them. There's no, it's not an act, it's not a you know, like he's well, it is now becausehe's in it, wwe or whatever it is. been like just because hethinks it's funny. Yeah, he just so this is cool, you know, like slip people around and be a meathead. Yeah, it's everything yousee is very authentic about him, you know. So now it was alot of fun to be around and I went to university Arizona, so thefootball tradition is shallow at best. But the monk in Teddy Bruski, Ibelieve it years, also probably one two on the list. So you playedwith both of those guys. Teddy seemed I never met Teddy, but heseemed like a pretty solid guy. Oh, ted he's awesome, and Teddy's thebest, just great teammate, great everything. Like you know, we'reI'm on a text chain with a with a lot of those guys up there. You know, we played together and you know we're always like going backand forth with each other and I mean it gets pretty harsh at times,but it's a lot of fun. Man, we it's pretty funny. I knowyou can dish it up lest that's for sure, now that I gotto man. All Right, one more patriots question for me. What isthe what was the play called for? The Ninety Nine Yard touched on thethat you guys tied me on. Ha. That was I want to say islike Hoss Posse, the H Jukers, you know, F Juke. Yeah, read right. Yeah, you just took it down the seam right. Yeah, spread right, sixty six, hoss. So, Hoss hitching hisseem. So, hit his on the outside, see him on theinside, and then a Juke by whoever that number three players. Yeah,and there was like no safety and yeah, but just played super shallow on thatplay. Yeah, it's like a twelve yards playing the post safety.So and then that the DB. Like I remember the play like I'm sittingthere, all right, we're backed up on the one by. He probablythinks I'm like running something across the field or in it's a quick slan orsomething like that. So my whole demeanor was feeling this way. Right andso son, and the last second he jumped inside on me before the ballwas snapped. I was like perfect we got them and so and then Tomyou know, put a dime on me. Yeah, Start Your Day sunny sideup at the Weston Bundavent your hotel...

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