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Tiki Barber

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Former New York Giants running back, Tiki Barber joins the show. The former Virginia Cavalier was drafted by the Giants in the second round of the 1997 NFL Draft, and played his entire ten-year professional career for the team. Barber retired from the NFL at the end of the 2006 NFL postseason as the Giants' all-time rushing and reception leader. Barber was inducted into the Virginia Hall of Fame in 2011. Barber finished his career with 10,449 rushing yards which ranks 27th all-time. He is one of just 31 running backs to rush for over 10,000 yards in a career. This was despite the fact that Barber didn't become the Giants' starting running back until the year 2000, his fourth year in the league. Once he became the starter, he rushed for at least 1,000 yards in six of his final seven seasons with the lone year being in 2001, in which he only played in 14 games, but still managed to rush for 865 yards. Barber had three seasons in which he averaged over five yards per carry (2001, 2005, 2006) and only got better as he got older. Barber averaged 1,680 yards in his final three seasons and finished each year with over 2,000 scrimmage yards. He is one of just three running backs in NFL history to accomplish that feat in three consecutive seasons. Despite not taking off till later in his career, he also currently holds 22 Giants' Franchise records. Following his playing career, Barber became a national media presence, notably joining NBC's Today Show as a correspondent in 2007 and Football Night In America/Sunday Night Football. He has published multiple books including a series of children books about him and his identical twin brother, former Tampa Bay Buccaneers cornerback Rhonde Barber. Tiki Barber was also involved in Olympics coverage in 2008 and 2010. During his football career, he had a political talk radio show that featured guests such as John McCain. Barber has made many cameos in TV shows and even acted in a Broadway play, Kinky Boots, during a limited run from January 21, 2019 until March 3 of that year. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome everyone to Hotou with Gus, I'myour host Gus Ferron. I played quarterback in the NFL for fifteenyears and I have lots of stories to share I'm joined by my longtime friendand Cos Dave pigger Dave and I talked to our guess about how scortshake theirsuccess in Mi, we are radiocom original podcast and you can catch us on the newRADIOCOM APP Bot. Wherever you listen to your favorite podcast, you can alsofind us, under the big top at the sports circus, hosted by Southe RingMaster. Look for us on Amptvcom, that's AA, MP, tvcom, the next time you stayin hotels across America. I hope you enjoy our show and let us know what youthink by going to your website how up with Guscom, please like and subscribe. Now, let's get in the Hotlo withtoday's guest hello over one. Thank you for joiningUS inanother episode of Hudop with Gossim here with my longtime frendacoos Dave, I guess, and today Jaye were joined by a very special guest, had an amazing athletic career andcontinue his career on in many different areas. So it proves thatathletes can do all types of thigs and you know he's one of the smartest guysbeen abalded Toringems High School graduate top honors and Virginia. Sothis guy is just the epinomy of what athletes can do. I think, and todayjoining us in Hondle, former new yoar giant TIKI Barbraso Tiki. Thank you forjoining us today and we're glad that you're in the huddle with us. Iappreciate you gus good, to see you day and they seen you so cheeki tells aboutyou know. We know a lot of I played against both you and your brother Ronde. You never intercepted me, but he has so. I, like you, a lot more yeah exactlySoi'm the Nice twig Yeah Yeah Neeesthe, altr egoi'm, the good guyyeah, but but the word it is when you came out of the room youere the fieryone right, the fiven right, that's Reah! So you know, but you guys have similar careers, both ATHLETICIS andbrains. Just do amazing things. But what was that? First Time that you canremember back to when you were a kid growing up that you fell in love withsports yeah? You know it started plant soccer, interestingly enough and Iremember hating the sport because it was cold like it was in the fall and itwas freezing and you had to wear shorts and make a tshirt. Our coach wanted tomake us tough and all we're. Doin was running around Iy didn't get the sportas hey, but the heck cal we do it, he would just run it, but I loved runningand so the next year my butch of our friends started playing football. Wewere like ten years old and me and Rondiy didn't want to be left out, sowe decided to join the football team and because we were so fast, we gotlike the Marki positions, and so the coaches was like all right. Just takeit and go run, you know over there and we'd run around the end and had successreally early because of our just natural athleticism, and it made melove sport. It was a way to be accepted and, to I don't know achieve somethingyou didn't you don't realize it because you're having fun when you're a kid,but over time it became our way to differentiate and be unique in a way tk.Did you like, as a kid growing up? Did you play a lot of sports with kids inyour neighborhood like? Would you guys have neighborhood, pickup, hands andstuff like that? Yeah? No doubt I mean I kind of missed that you know raisingmy kids. Now it's they're isolated. They stay inside playing video gamesand they there on sports teams, but it's not as free as it used to be. WhenI was a kid I I remember getting on my bike and just leaving and writing andbeing out for five six hours out of a whole day, my mom not really worrying.I mean she probably was worried, but not like. I would worry if my kid leftanse it. Like twelve years old N was gone for five hours. You know so timesit changes a little bit and that that freedom of play is gone. It's so muchmore structured. The these days. I don't know if that's a good thing or abad thing, but it just is kind of, is what it is.But you know I think I think that unstructured play is whatkind of made me. I don't know it made me. Do so many different things.It's why I love playing. You know. Football is why I love baseball. It'swhy I love wrestling because we were always just doing all those things well.Well, the new, the No raffing and no coaching totally help people developtheir interpersonal skills and stuff to you have to you the swan right. Bongsyourself, you didn't have a raft to...

...break it up. You'd figure right. Whatwas going on yeah get the fight, you better figure it out right te to helpyou t likepicking team or, like hey, you know, hey hey! I lost my baseball okay. What Balldo you? Have? We got a footbal right? Let's Ge go play football figure it outand that's right make the rules up as we go. You know Dave, and I talk aboutwiffaball a lot like there's always rules for wiffeball that you make inwhatever environment you're in you might have a big yard, a small yard.Whatever it is, you just make the rules up as you go and I think EA. I think Ido think kids miss that today now I think you're right I mean it's almostit's like they're catered to by adults. All the time like we is parents, andit's our fault as well. You know were telling our kids what they should bedoing and how they should be doing it, instead of letting them figure it outthemselves, and so that natural curiosity that was, I think, importantin Goss you. You know this is well. It was important to help you get throughlike tough times when you're you know in high school or N R or in college,and you can't quite figure it out. You have this like intuitiveness, that youlearn when you were ten Yoar, twelve years old, that help you nowadays, kidshit problems and they often can't figure out how to get out of them, andthen it derails them. Sometime Yeah, I mean I've gone through a lot of thingsin my career as a lot of people know and all those tough times that I'vegone through growing up living out in the country. When I can remember a timewhere I came home crying, I don't know I', maybe eight years old or somethingand these two older kids that maybe were twelve thirteen or something stolemy bike and I went home and like they wouldn't give it back, and I went homeand told my dad he's working in a garden after work. You Know Hou justworked in eight hour shift and he goes that'. Your bike. Don't come home untilyou have it again, yeah go get it right, go get it and I'm like that's you man,I go dad, but how am I gonna? He goes. You gotto figure that out you got tofigure out how to get that bite back and so walking around the neighborhood foreight hours. Trying to figure out. This thing then realized that these two kidsput it in the high stree that they could find. I got my buddy and we went and took thebite back and I went back home it was. It was almost time for the WHISTLETOblow. I knew if I didn't have my bike. I was late. I was really going to be introuble, but I don't know I'm the same way. My kids didn't go through anythinglike that, and I wish the IWOULD have yeah. You know it' because it fills atoughness and you know now they get it, but by playing sports, but it happenslater you know, and and in sometimes it takes adversity later in life, and youknow I know they're going to be okay,because you know Ha's the fim of the day you just trying to raise good kidsand it's more important when people say your kids, a good kid, as opposed tohe's a good athlete, and my two older ones are at that point: a seventeen andfifteen a playing football up in Greenich and they've been really good as athletes.But I get more joy out of parents telling me your kids a good kid, but I also want them to be successfulall right. It's because I know what it was like for me to go through life as a successfulathlete and the door is that it open right it just it. Just the worldbecomes your voister, especially if you take advantage of it and you play thegame the right way. Yeah, so did you and your brother play every sporttogether or or there to ao you playe in different yeah, you know mean I grew upwith tha single mom, my mom and dad was a Vorse when I was young two years oldor so, and so my mom WUS would tell all the sports leages they better be on thesame team Hewas. You know if they're not playin up BECAUSEI LIK go at to twopractices right, it's so yeah we were always always together, went to schooltogether. As you know, Gusson and Dave at the University of Virginia felt likethere was a chance like a really small chance, come drafting. They rundayafter I got picked on the second round to go to the giants. That Ronde wasgoing to get picked to come o the giants to in the third round, but theBux took him about to pick before the giants had a shot and the only time we really got theplay together again was in the proboms. It's Rightit's. Why? I love my lastthree years. I didn't get good like proboll good. Until the end of mycareer and and o four five and six and those last three years wore ap, I wasable to play in Hawaii with my brother. In fact, my last game was, as I ateammate of my brother, which was kind of awesome. It brought it full circle.For me, Oh yeah, I'm sure that that had to be very difficult after all thoseyears playing on the same team being together, weight room, you guys wereroomite e college roommates at home. PROBABLY THAT'S RIGHT! N! Then, all ofa sudden you can you imagine Dav you get the the pros and then yyou'regrowing up separately, well, they're playing also in the same time zone toso they would one o'clock start so it's kind of hard to watch each other. Youknow yeah! No, I never got to see it. I'd always call im like whatve. Whathappened know I could see the score...

...because they have all the scores of theyou know the in the stadium, so I cound see either win or loss of at right.What happened? Yeah he's like Hey, I picked up. FRONIGIN picked up a lot of people, yourbrothers really really ad. Now in high school, so you'Rso we learn yourplaying soccer and football now at high school. Did you play multiple sports inhigh school? Well, I stopped soccer after, like twelve years old, gobecause I hated being cold, but what we did do we tried out for thebasketball team and but we didn't make it because we didn't know how to Drivlike it was a skill we never developed, and so we didn't make the basketballteam and the coach said come back next year. I know you're good athlete. Youknow work on this kill and come back next year. Instead, we went out for thewrestling team, so we didn't make the basketball team. So we wrestled and wewere really good at wrestling and in fact we both went to districts and weredistricts champions at our weight, Ere espective weight classes and eighthgrade and in Ninth Grade Anti Basketball, never came back an etheinto the picture and I kind of Ne Still Bughout of play. basketballs in onesport I never really really really took up, but wrestling and then obviouslyfootball and then track and field were the things that we did during highschool and track was great because it developed my speed. Allowed me to, Idon't know, be an agile o runner thatw would serve MiG well as a footballplayer. Obviously an interest on you, though wrestling was probably moreimportant, because I learned so much about my body like how to you know,manipulate other other bodies and how to take hits how to fall. Like allthese things that are important in football, I learned from being awrestler, and so we did that up until tenth grade andthen we stopped and we just ran football playe football and ran track,but I loved it. I love being an athlete and I missed those those high schoolathletic competitions because they're I on't no just kind of pure. You know youR, not like not worried about being the best imination nowadays, kids are butback. Then you just worried about being the best in your neighborhood rightbest in your in the and the town or the maybe the best in the state. It wasn'twork like getting a twitter or whatever and looking up. Where am I ranks in thewhatever the Yeahrankoo, whatever you weren't doing those things Ana like you,do now. Do you find yourself like for me sometimes I'll smell something n hitbrings back like an instant memory, like I cun me playing baseball, what myglove smelled like and so sometimes I yo smell leathers little smell likethat, so wrestling there's a lot of smells going on and wrestling wat. Youdon't Wont Them. Yeah Yeahyou may not want to remember them, but did it'sfunny? You say that because so Y, my football coach in junior high was alsothe wrestling killed, Steve Spangler. He ultimately went to the high school,so it was my high school coach too, and then a couple years after we left highschool, he became the principal so he's the principal of Icepoy Wen to and hewas great, but he was like I mean he was tough and so wrestling it's notlike at least hours wasn't an open jit. It was a little tiny room right, hewould shut and it was all padded like every hint of the walls were padded andhe would shut the door and it was like a Sana in there for two hours ofpractice and you talk about like smells and like more like sensations. So therewas a a door and t like a like a utility door in the back right cornerof the of the wrestling op and we'd be doing our things. Whatever wrestling,you know, werrunning around you just running losing weight and wed finallyget a break, but you couldn't leave the room UNDSO. Everybody would clamor forthis. Like this little door, it was like little tiny door and it was a slitabout that tat thing underneath it and everybody's just trying to get aro like litry to get some coolair. Your faceion't think I'll ever forget that, because it was so intense likewrestling, is so intense and that that little half of a breath of cool airwould like make your day so yeah. I know what you mean. You never forgetthose things. Well, I mean I've coached football after I played and and kidsthat were wrestlers, I've seen them go and you talk about learning your body.Rest has going to teach you more about your body and your standing on. Youknow how far you take yourself than anything els out, because I had kidshat just played football and they would run they think they're going to passout and the wrestlers are just like yeah, whatever and they're just runningback aor outside Tru. You know and it's true it teaches you such a mentality.My I discipline standpoint so Harry my wife foughldout. My Wife's father wasmy high school football coach and he recently GIS passed. His favoriteplayers were always wrestlers, yeah, yeah ca and there's also like a like alike a adaptability to their game, so they could Yiy can almost do whateveryou want because they're, you know they're small they're, strong. I youknow yeah really Stoll, like this...

...stupid, unexplainable strength there. There they're often like thesmartest guys, because it's all tactical I, when you're in anindividual sport- and it's like literally man against man- and it's notlike boxing, where you're just striking it's you're grappling with someoneyou're trying to how can I get your body leverage off of off kilter so thatI can gain an advantage and it's like it's really hand to hand combat that'simportant in football, because, especially if you're you know a blockeror some capacity, it's all about finding the right leverage andwrestlers just have that intuitively and they have to do it on a regularbasion. So I mean I try to get my kids to wrestle. They don't e, it's justjust I's, not the same in the northeast like it was in the south or like it isout out west, but some, maybe maybe one of these days. One of my Ma make one ofmy younger ones, an G. my kids are in college now and gunner. I remember thefirst time he put a singlet on. He came out and Het's like dad. I just can'twear this, I'm like Magand, that's wrestling. You have to wear this. Hegoes I know, but they were wrestling a lot of tournaments. A lot of peoplewere there and he's like Dad, I'm just I don't. I can't get over like wearingthis and and everybody seeing it. I'm like dude, just Yo want to be rea.That's wheregigt kind of aitlike, thet youus can't care. He tells us about your high schoolfootball career then like. When did you really start to become good and youstarted to know things? Maybe Yel Ou go beyond high school yeah, so for us,high school football didn't start till tenth grade. So my freshman year, I wasstill in like juior high, so my tenth grade year, which is my first year inhigh school Tenedeven, Twelve Wis, our high school me and Ronde join the teamand we were so good and our. I think, because my coach knew me from juniorhigh right ECAUS. I told you hy junior high coke is my high school coach aswell. He said if you can earn a starting job,then then I'm going to give it to you and so our running back or startedwrunning back was this guy. His name is Twan wip and he was great, but becausemy camp went so well, they moved him to quarterback and I ended up starting itrunning back as a sophomore and that's kind of what I knew that I had had it.You know that whatever that contangible is was my was my sophomore year. Rondedidn't he didn't it. Indi didn't end uphapping for him till the next year, but once he became the starter, he becoeslike all district and one of the best players in the state, and so we've kindof always done this thing. He staggers me by a year so getting to the NFL. Istart as a Roip as a rookie on for the giants. He kind of didn't play it all.He was almost out of the League at I wooke sees in, but then the very nextyear he becomes one of the best. You know defensive backs in the nationvalle.Football at same thing happened in college. I started it or I played atleast a lot as a freshman first years. We call it in BA. He didn't do anythinghis next year, which was his redshirt freshman year. He was the ACC Workiuptis of the year like so we've always like used each other's successes tohelp propel one another forward and it started. I I started I high school now.The problem is that Cape Spring we weren't very good. I think we now justby having two guys who ended up being. You know multiple year pro bowlders inthe NFL. I think we won most in the most in one season. We wone wish fivegames like we just didn't, have a have a good team, but we had fun Y. my like guard was as big as makelike. He was like we were small, so we get pushed around. We played somen,bigger, bigger teams, but we had a ton of fun and I learned a lot aboutsuccess and achievement from some of the failures that I went through inhigh school. Well, I tell people all the time it doesn't matter where you goto school, if you're good and you work hard D, You have heart anddetermination right, yey're, going to find you right the now, especially nowSpec, especially yes, you, Tel o with colleges absolutely and it's so much more. I heard this the other day because youknow my son is my oldest son. Is Seventeen and we're starting to gothrough this process? And you know, like a lot of people, want to talkabout stats right, like Hey Howanythin, have you touchdown? Did you have youhave many arsyou rush for ultimately that matters, but probably like thatmuch in really t what kind of kid are you are you going to fit into ourprogram? Are you going to work hard? How do you deal with with failure and and disappointment- and you know I hadthis conversation with my seventeen year old about the week and a half agotwo weeks ago, because I was reading about the NFL draft, a Ol. You knowthese. These scouts now are looking back at what these kids did in highschool, like it's, the parent of get Riat for the NFL, they loon Ta, whatthey what they like in high school, and so I said to my oldest son anysay. Isaid he GOINGTA. Ask You a question. I...

...don't want you to answer up this one tothink about it right. If, if someone went and ask you, you knowwhat what Da e you best at for. What's your best trade, for how do youdeal with success? How do you do a failure? How do you deal withdisappointment? Would you have an answer and then he said yes, I would. Isaid okay now what if they ask your teammates in your coaches, that samequestion? What would they say about you and he's like you know, that's deep! Igotta think about that one and but but that's that's really what matters,because, ultimately, you can think you, the greatest and you're doing all theall O ow things the right way, but if U R, if you're, not a good teammate, ifyou don't work the right way from your coaches, that's the perception thatultimately will torail you. When you go to the next levels start your day,Sundy sided up at the Weston bonnaventure hotel and sweits, andenjoy breakfast for two on us, no matter how you plan to spend your tripto Los Angeles start every day, with a hearty meal to kickstart your morningenjoy breakfast for two on us. For each day you stay for reservations, be surethe Promo Code, SFOR B appears in the bromocode box when making your onlinereservations and Mariottcom Backsah laxbw or call hone eight hundred to twoeight. Ninety Ninety and asked for promotional code SFOR B, Yeah. No. I completely agree with that,and I think that feedback is the most important thingyou can get and a lot of times. Friends, don't give you feedback, you know, Ithink you had right. You had such a special relationship with your brotherthat you probably were giving each other feedback when you didn't want upit las like real sobe, the Shit, sad about you, you were terrible right yeah, you weldup, look good and you were terrible, but it was awesome. You know that'swhat kind of I needed it right, especially when I got to New York. Imean I was you get you can't help but get overconfident about success whenyou, when you come up when you do it in a place like New York and so to have mybrother to like keep it real was such an important part of. I think mysuccess. What was the recruiting process with you and your brother forCollege Yeah? So we we were w were like really goodathletes and hestake. We weren't like five star athletes, don't even know ifwe had stars back then I don't remember what the process was like, but VirginiaTech looked at us because that's where my mom and dad went to school, my dadwas a football star there. The local school climson was one of the team Clikschools that we looked at Penn state was interested, but then Jim Calledwell,who was recruiting us left and went to wait foruce to be the headcove. Sonobody picked us up. So we were getting like letters here and there right. Weonly took two visits. One was to Virginia. Obviously the other one wasTho climset. We were really interested in going to Michigan because of theacademic of Prestigue of that that university, even though it was a longway away- and I remember we got a call from fogetting to run a bact coach Jym,something or another. I can't remember his name now, but he gave us a callright before our visit and said, unfortunately, where you have to cancelyour trip because we're snowed in and it was like all right, we're good whet.I Wat Om, we can't get into it out of and snowed in, like snodid like thisplace, Canetin Yeah Wecfii Virginia like two days later, yea cou, be thebest is the best situation for us. I was, I was a geek one growing up. I wasa geek all through college and I wanted to be an astronaut. Football was justsomething I was. I was also really good at and Virginia was the right academicenvironment for me to grow and become a man that that I ultimately became alongthe way I got good at football. Like my second third year I mean I was kind of just an averageguy, and then I got an opportunity to start against Michigan an the PikkinClassic, and I had a hundred a d eighty yards and the rest. W S was coblefootball or at least Virginia football history, and that propelled me to theNFL, but- and I wanted to work for or or Microsoft or something like thatfootball kind of interrupted. My my actual dream, when I, when I went toUva ight right, we like think all of our guests, fere Joinin us here onHutdlap. You know they can find us on RADIOCOM or they can find us under thebig top as with Sou the ring master and the sport circus and on amp TV. So we're here talking with Tki Barbr we'removing into your college days, your you and your brother, our roommates, is itfeel like a Wedon't, even leave home like we're together, we're doing thisthing and we're going after the world together, I mean that'l, be such a goodfeeling it was it was. It was comforting because UPA is anantimidating place like entimid, any academic environment. They care aboutsports and obviously, as of late they've, really started to do well withthe major sports. We've always been good at the like the nonprofessionalsports like will cross and announce well, that is professional aalygim withthe pll soccer. We were always great at...

...you know, dibing track and fieldbaseball. We've recently got really good out of the lass now decade or so,but it wasn't like state. You you know what I mean SOS. It was like theycelebrated athletic, O r athletic success, but it was really like allright. Well, what are you majoring it and you Gettin a grant to do this. Forthat. The other thing you know are you going to work on the hill, and so itwas a little bit intimidating for us so to have you know my twin with me, likeliterally every step of the way we took all the same classes, our first yearsthere and and walk the same path so to speak. It made it comfortable, it madeit made it easy for us and then football once football startedto take off and we became comfortable there and coach Welsh who was amazing,challenged US could be great. We were able to fulfill, I think, a lotof people's expectations for us who's, the better student between you, two, it's not question. I was ARD, Yeah Smart. I mean he is smart, but, like hedidn't want to be the smartest he just he was good being smart. I was I wantedto be the smartest and me to this day, like my wife andfriends. They Com make fun factiky because I studie stupid things. Itdon't make any sense, have any point, but it's just thingsthat are interesting to me, Yeah and interesting. I think that helped mebecome a better football player, because you know this: it's like it'snot always the biggest guy, an strongest guy, and that that wasn't meright. I was hundred an ninety five pounds whend I was the first year a UBA,and but I knew like about like physics, andI knew about howtem from wrestling and other things how to take contact andhow to stay on my feet that help me. I help me become a successful player. Anat UBA right. So I want to ask, is hy: Why di you didyou want to be an Assa? Were you kid in Virginia looking up at the stars, allthe time saying it's just yeah Ike, it's Drikin! You know your! Your time is New York City. Youprobably don't see any stars in new Yorkno, not at all I mean we're out inJersey now, so sometimes we can but you'll remember this Guss. I was achallenger Baby. So when I was eleven years old, this the space shuttleChallenger blew up, and I remember I we were in school, Ano ocro elementary and all of theteachers were like sitting around us. We were sitting in a circle watchingthe TV, the TVs, because Sandra maculo was on that that space shevel right.She was a teacher and it blew up like we're sitting in school and this anthis thing blows up and it was and all the teachers like leave the roomeverybody's emotional, like t it was like an this indelible moment, my life,that I'll just never forget, and not too soon after that, like NASA became like really interesting in the worldbecause of that disaster, but then what they were doing going forward and spacecams became huge. Don't now, if you remember this, this era t like the latespace camp, became big, a big deal and Itwas all the rage and media, but wecouldn't afford it right. All. My friends would go tospace camp in the summer, but we could't, because my mom didn't make upmunny right, Gos, Pacepan Tho, my dream became to be an Asha. I can go spacecans buts, you know what I'm going. Ta Go be an Astronau and my mom wouldalways tell me you can go be an astronaut you just got to you got to bethe best student in this school and that's what drove made up to makestraight age in didn't, make a beast from eight grade on and finishes one ofour Vallota Torians in casebreak, high school, and so like I chose you. Ilooked at Michigan because I had great engineering school right, Virginia Tech Obviousl is a a great colleg technic institute aswell, because you know the actual name is regine politechic Atsitutan StateUniversity. Ultimately, it was UVA because of their engineering programthere at the Eschool, which is what I entered as and so I went to the eschool at Uva andit was challenging Mans because I had to take all my classes early in themorning, because football was in the afternoon and then labs. I would haveto do like in the evening after football practice, and so my life waslike inundated with stuff and but I fell in love with computers right. Itwas the first time I'd ever interacted with with the computer, I mean I had acomme or sixty four, but like a rouerful ocomputer at at UVA and writing. These programsbecame like English. It was so easy to me. It just was really intuitive, andso I unfortunately left my dream of beingan astronaut and went into the commerce school, the business school and Studiedatabase design and management and the MAC intire school of Commerce. I was anmis major, and that became my dream because, right about that time, guesswhat Hapen One husand Nite, ninety...

...three or four the Internet started toblow up Bento programming in html and creating these like this.This aleast these pages that were kind of pointless like I had I had createdmy own page. It was like tky, barber page but had bunch of like HawaiianTikis rightruing the front page, and I had ye to do an hmap reference to findthe one that get in so I created like this, like only one of them will letyou Ino the Pakage, and I had like pictures from co like some Lik CollegeGames and stuff like that. But if you pickd the wrong ine, you got dehertedsomewhere else it so it was just like I don't know. I spent my. I was such aGee, my entire, like nights sitting in the computer lab and again these things like will neverI'll, never dol. Never leave my mind right because, like on thousand nineTuneen, Ninety five a game was created called. Do you guys remember this? Ohyeahye so dom took over UA computer labs, like people stopped working andwould play the stupid video game as a t, one of the first first person shootersright. They play this video game for hours andthat' talk about like two or three inm pom, like six or seven, how yeahforplaying his Cupid Game Doomso to the point that they had to ban it from thecomputer lab, because people who didn't have computers in their likedepartments like I did. Oh Yeah, couldn't get work on so you know it was. You have to learn how to switch so youquickly switch and like plan Doim to like whatever program you were Di Youeriing. So that was my existence. Man I mean football was big part of my life,but it was. It was also a small part of my life. I in college. I really wish Iwould have learned more about computers, because I actually did the first AOL sports live interview on theInternet for them the CA right yeah. So when I was playing for the RedskinsJimmy Lynn, who was had a vall sports Y, came to my house, and we did aninterview where member Dave e was telling us about that that EAN he puteverything out there. He goes yeah. You were the first one, we've ever done. Helike ourmy house from from their headquarters, was a mile away. So it'sright, Aboutkan Ark. So you know- and I at the time I'm like okay to know howspecial you know that was until later on he year about it like man. Why Didn'I do more with them. You know Y, but you don't some people. If you don'tknow you don't know yeah, that's right and that's en that's it a lot of peoplejust don't aren't aware where it's going, but I think because of of Wy tklike potential of Wy tk. We all remember this when we thought the world was going toshut down. It was all because some of these a lot of computer programs arebuilt on these old systems. You know like like, like coball or someof these other programming languages that didn't have four spaces like fourslot spaces for the Dat. They only had two spaces an reall like data points, Rfor the date and they're like o. What happens when we get two thousand? Wecan't just Brevia eighty eight or seventy five or ninety nine lat's, theworld's going to come to an ED right AC. You have like actually have like fiftyyears, because thinking for computer programming started, it was probably inthe fifty, so you still had like til thousand and fifty before he had dupilget records and things started to go hey wire, but it like took over like like the school it took over likehow, like lessons were desigred it was. It was crazy. It was insane. It wasexciting and scary, because the thing about what was scaryng wee talg about acomputer potential computer bug ther's like e, most terrifying thing, and nowwe're talking about boronavirus and the things that nature. So it's is. It wasa different world man. It was Wel I't, more straightforward, why two cans playfor the Detroit lines. We were going to play Minnesota. The team made us takeall of our family with us, because that was the weekend. I was going to turnoverik and, like we said, okay were all going down. We want you to be with yourfamily in the whole tea we took all of our like. We had our ad or my wife, thekids everybody there and it's like okay, like they could not like aisgus. It is hit'scrazy, thitwse nuts. We took everybody attheir whole family in the hotel of them. I remember like after midnight whenit's switched. I remember like turning on the TV being, like you know likeclicking it going ahead. I mean it seems man way. Honey seems normal. One. One thing happened: Everybody'scomputers, Din'L Workyeah, know we still played the game I's like theNflis not going to shut down the whole world could be ending, but the NFL gindof go on ell. That's what those Wen Werres waren't that really worriesSomeng right, exactly exactly so you and your brother going through. Youhave incredible college careers now, it's time to kind ofbeinrecognized by the NFL and sure you guys, Han Aton Scouts come see you andthen all of a sudden. You guys go to the combine...

...and then yeah go and get into the draft.I mean you're doing this all together, ind had to be like just such a a dream.Come true as such a surreal moment for you and Ronde Yeuh tell us aboutdrafting yeah, so it wasn't a real dream andRonde actually, because you know I mentioned he readshirt and he had anextra year but veligibility, but he said you know hewas graduating so he'slike you're not going to be here. I've already graduated with the heck af Igoing to stay at school for right. So I he came out early and a lot of peopledidn't like said well, you're, making a mistake because you're drafted you knowstatus is is lower than it could be. If you stayed fror O teear, think aboutthat, that's whot, they used to say this. Oh Yei stand up the year becauseyou don't prove your draft at is now see the way around. It's like get outearly, because your second contract you're going to be too old. If youstaye right, it's crazy like how it's all FLIPP. So, yes, we went throughthis process and I remember like we were fast. We were track. Athletes likewe knew how to run. We know how to do all the things that good footballplayers do, but that was that was right after the the whole mic, Mbola thingyea. I remember this Mike Mamula, who trained for the combine andspecifically for the combine and crush it Ande? U, you know getting draftedreally high Y, but the eagles right, that's right, and so my ag we hired like had us go out toArizona and train for the coment. I'm like why Dom I gotg to train tot hecount of that. I know how to run a forty like. I do know how to like binch,but I know how to do all these things, but it was. It was actually really coolbecause me and Ronde displaced from like this world that we had known forfour years at Uba and were like across the country in Arizona training for thecombine, and we like t we had. I mean we've always been tight, but it was waslike being grown up tight. If that bake sense, yeahod type like to leave schooland go to Arizona and then, like start to pair for the NFL draft made us grownup tight, it was neat. I was unique because we were kind of on our own,like you're, on your own, an college but tire's like a structure there, whenyou're halfway across the country and on your own, it's kind of it's kind ofcool draftay was interesting. We decided toplay golf. We went to Birdwood country colusitives in charlezilld Virginia,it's the University of Virginia's, right, Ome home course for the GLOFFteam, and you know it was like we weren't good at golf. So we're justkind of out the messing around and hacking around expecting the phone calland it didn't come until least for me until like whole, seventeen. So we'realmost done- and I remember Pat Handler who was still the the e informationsports information out there called me and said: Hey wwe're, on put you on thephone with coach fossil and we're going to take you with the next pick, and itwas the sixth pick in the second round and to be honest with you, like coachfossis his first year, so I'm like the heck is coase Asi didn't know. It tookme like a few minutes to figure out which teak was diraftin right, but butit was neat you know it wasn't. Any fan fair. It's kind of like congratandbroably gave you a Ug, we finished out the round. They went and went to a barand had some beers and dinner with and waited for him to get picked. What'shappened about and two hours later and self, that's pretty amazing story,though the two brothers could pick same day. I mean yeah. How did your mom deal with all thatOwshe? She loved it a she was there. She was a dinner with us and but weadspent the morning by ourselves, just tnot playing cough and like we knew itwas, we knew hat was happening. We knew for the first time in our lives, wewere going to be separated and it was like it was bitter sweet. Itwas awesome because we were entering Thi State and following this dream thatwe had wanted for so long, but at the same time we knew that for the firsttime in our existence we were not going to be under the same roof and doing thesame thing, but it was, I mean it's a joarkey right, it's like it's. Ican't. I can't explain the emotion that that we felt but some anxiety as well.I mean our phone Gal that first year, because back then you had to pay foryour cell phone pill right thise was ridiculous. Yea I mean we talk every night likewhat's going on, because that wasn't we weren't married whice kind of I'm inI'm in Jersey. Our New York he's down in Tampa it just like he was just weird.It was, but it was. We figured it out. We always do yeah, I'm sure. Well, it'snice that you guys had each other Velen on. I was married after my first year, somy wife and ihave been close for a long long time so always had her to lean on.So I can imagine what you guys went through for the first time being apart,that had to be definitely difficult but exciting, yeah Thafiit, that has to bethe point of the lowest the low key draft story that we've heard forsomeone. That's projected high. You know what I mean Yeah Word Yo. I meanyou guys just if, as you guys out in the golf course what we had no ideathink about like back, then you don't...

...really. You didn't really know like. Iwas projected anywhere from you know, top of the middle of the first roundtill the third round, like no, I think Bell Cyper had me, is like a fourtround Traptin thin that I came to find out that cos. Fassilactually wanted to take te at number seven overall, but they took ice andJim skipper my running back coach. He would tell me some time later he's likegot cauht you some money. I was like what do you Mak he's like Jim, wantedto take you number seven, but but he also wanted Ikiller and he and he toldGentol Jim Skipper, told Jim Fossil. If you take Tiki at seven you're not goingto get ike in the second Roumd, if you take ie at seven, you might still getTiki in the second round and an and I felt all the way back to the secondround and it worked out. You know I almost interestingly got picked by thetempey buccaneers. They chose wark done at the end of the first round and andI've subsequently had this conversation ont with rich mccay hase. Now the vicepresident, President Mapte Vice President President, at the AtlantaFalcons he said we had a conversation about you for work. Does, interestinglyme and wort dones pros tats are almost identical right and he said what won usover with wark was that he went to Florida state and they were in Tempawow. If he had work had been N, I don't know what Goodsburg or something Icould have been A. I could have been a bucket en right. What do you think ifyou they ud a drafted? You do you think they would still drafted your brother. You know, I don't know that they have aneed both positions. So probably the giants also had an teed at Botpositions, because Jason Seahorn was in his likethird year, I believe, and so they were like it was given to that point wherethey had to either try to replace Jason or sign him to a long term contractthey ultimately signd into a long term contract like two years later so like it w there was to there waslike couple instances, but we almost on draftday. We almost ended up on thesame team, but it didn't happen and then you guys both play with the sameteam, your own careers yeah, which is re. I mean very ev, I played ten, and Iwas I mean I was lucky to stay because they tried to replace me early often because I got hurt and then I was aneffective. They brought in Gary Brown and they drafted Joe Montgombery from ahouse state right, Sean Bennett. They brought him from F, her went to school,but he was. He was a good player. Then they drafted Ron Dane in two thousand,who was the Hisban trophy winner, ind the all time leading rusher and collegefootball history, and so it's like o well tk's Gon to be done. But at thatpoint that's that's the year that it hit. For me in twohusand, Mi Ri year isin the NFL things just slowed down forme and Sean Payton wit her office,an coordinator change the scheme to fit to fit me. It was he he wanted to useme. A lot like martial fork was used with the Loki with the rams and and itexsel it took. My career took off arrest for a thousand yards. The firsttime we went to the Super Bowl. I signed an extension and the rest ishistory, yeah that valet stay and play in your next getaway to Los Angeles,the Western boneventure hotel, an swets offers effortless access to all thecity of angels as to offer whether you're hoping to catch a concert orsporting event or hotels, just moments from all the action and accessible ThoHollywood beaches, museums and theme parks. The package includes a guestroom and valet parking for reservations, use promocode PSF in the codebox whenmaking your online reservation or call one two hundred and three six, two fourone thousand and assor Promo Code PSF. I mean just what a crazy amazing storyand I think that what you guys have gone through is sucha great story to tell, even though there's a lot of information out thereabout you and your brother. But I feel like that. What we want to do is reallybring that out in the way that you just have is that you know we all have thesedifferent transitions in life, and you guys had to make a tough one for eachof you and it works out. You know yeah and a lot of people. Don't think that,because I have to get a new job or move to something else or go wherever it'snot going to work out and you guys ultimately prove that it does yeah. Ithink life is because I think life is a constant process of reinvention and ifyou get stuck and doing or thinking that you have to be who you wereyyou're never going to move forward, you can never advance like you alwayshave to evolve, and I think, having a twin and having someone to livebicariously through what my life through for for all, really my wholelife. Forty four years, almost forty five now has helped me manage that I soI I've been lucky, so you go through your.You have an amazing career. I mean pro Bolls, you almost you went to super bowl right, but thenyou left, like you retired than the...

...next year. They is that won te Yeonvery next year, yewic, which is creat you're, probably like okay, I couldhave just stayed on. I would have meant yeah, whoever and done whatever, butyou know it's funny. I was telling Dave that the year that you guys lost to theRavens in the Super Bowl, I played them the first playoff game in Baltimore,because I was the quarterback for the broncos. That's right and we played inBaltimore in rain and that defense was to good did they were. They wereunbelievable and it was a scheme like Theyhad, Sam Adams and Tony Sara Gosaand as three hundred pound really like three hundred thirty pound detackles.So there was no way to block ragy Lewis Right, there's a resion that rat at theseasons that he had when that, when that front for was as as stout as itwas Becaus, you couldn't block Hem. So he could go TOA hes athletic enough.It's fast enough and physical enough, but there was no impengment from himplaying sideline to sideline, and so we met them. It was, I mean they countedup. They kicked us off into like the twelve or fourteen yard line.We never got out of our Ainmenzo a like until the second half it was. It wasrough sletting for a team that had played pretty well. We had played wellup into that point. Well, I think. That's like overall, the for total yardagets about the lowest in Super Bowl history, probably yeah e combinetotally artage was like yeah wor ift year. He onlyitwas like a ureturn thetwas back in that kick off returns like they scored points, but it wasn'tbecause you know they dominated us. They had that one big play were Jaconsborn. It wasn't really see more n the play. It was really the safeties playsee who I'm kind of covered up for him with, but that was really it. You knowthey they ground the ball to and hen, ut Jama, Lewis and then playe breakdefense, like they had a great game plan and and itgusted us. Well, youknow when we played you couldn't make a pats, don't feellig sad on everything,because the front the heaven was so good. You didn't have time in thepocket. You had to get rid of the ball, so theire guys their corners. Neverthey were just like glue on Andan Rod Mc you know Hat's right and then we hada decent running game. It's just like. Oh Man, we just yeah, I dis mattebecause they could shut down the thron game. They could and trend did a goodenough job to manage the game. I remember he threw one Torall Buckleywit the picket off went through his hands. Shannand sharp was their tightend grab that runs down the Siden Thatas only score. We lost seven tothree and you know, but they were. They were really really good that year, yeahyou're right. So unless you could like block them up, for you know six secondsthree seven five seconds so that you could throw at deep pass. You had nochance rig, that's hard. It was easier set than duck. Well thank Yun, and thenyou had to have somebody fastene. U To get behind him right. Well, no. I wasgoing to say that game to. I think it was like forty Mile Hour, wind, also ohyeah, so youwait was bes. It was be yeah, but so you have an amazing careerpro bolls Youre. I'm not sure. If I read this right thisright o. It said that you were NFL player the year right,weren't, you in you know fom that. Well I made he an all pro Tein, but it wasit wasn't like the NFL's player, the yearits like the like one of themagazines like Aky or or sports. It was not it. Maybe maybe it was sports,Illustrat ID or sporting news, or something like that. Back O twothousand and five, which was one of my my better years. I have two three twohundred Yark games that year is her that Wellington Mar and Bob Tish bothpassed away and had an impact, really a strong impacton m on my life. Obviously, my football season. My Life, like I remember,coaths cal, fom, telling us that we were the team of record fom, Bob andWellington, because we knew that they might pass away and, having had the relationship that I hadwith them, every game was meaningful to me that season, including you know, th the Redskinsgame right after Wellington, pass away where I rushed for two hundred andeleven yards and have touchdown and thou was in three quarters and we blewwe blew the skims out. That mean is thirty six on nothing, but it was. Itwas meaningful to me because it was the young way to pay for me to pay tributesto one of the greats of the sport, certainly the NFL and inparticular the New York dients right. So I think what it says there is thatwhen you can play the game with tons of emotion and passion you reach Heighto, that you didn'tthink you could reach. I think that's what the game of footballs o about whenyou see teams that are really good, they're playing for cause for reason,and just just like you did in two thousand and five, I think yeah FACyou're right, you can't you can't discount that right and it's there. Itfeels subtangible. It sounds wihy washy, but you know this gus, like footballplayers Liv by these stupid cliches, like I gotto, give a hundred tenpercent. You actually do you know an right. Take it playat a time youactually do because you get caught. You know, thinking about mistakes, Orwefonthe successes from previous you Kno...

...iterations of game, and then you end up like beingparalyzed. So you like, we live by these things because they're, real wel, IWAS GOINNA ask tiki aboutretirement. How do you go about? Like you left youstilld some miles left. You could have gone. You know like you chose to leaveat a time where you were still a very good player. What was the thinkingprocess and that? Well it was it was. It was twofold. One physically, my bodywas just starting to break down. I could feel it. It didn't show itselfbecause I w because of the prep, but I could feel myself slowly a little bitlike fifty yard. Touchdown ryms were turning into you know. Twenty five yardruns, or you know, contact that. I used to not feel now sudden Mi. I can't get out of bedfor three days, yeah and so like physically. I was starting todeteriorate, but I think more more importantly, thatthe opportunities thit came my way by being a New Yorker or unexplained, but just I find I found myself often saying hy.What am I doing here right andi'll. Give you a couple examples. One I metChamon Perez, who was the IT Whois, the premier of Israel, in a restaurant andat Taw on fifty seventh street in New York City, and he invited me to Israel,and so I went to Israel as a guest of the premiere of Israel imember sittingin the Connescet, but I their part of it and having like a state meeting liketwo chairs, like camera people me and plike. What am I doing here? IAT meand,my brother wrote children's books. Ultimately, twelve of them, a SimonShouster, my editor was like grip, was a woman by the name of Paula Weisman.She was allstill, Dick Cheney's, wife, so Lyn Cheney's editor as well. So Iend up find myself this, like Simon, an chuster dinner sitting next to LanCheney, and she invites me to the vice president's Christmas party until threeweeks later, I'm in DC shaken hand with Vice President, Dick Cheney and, andyou know, COB nobbing, with Lieutenant General Obieno at at a Bar, who wassecretary, state, Rice's, military advisor and fast forward a year later,I'm having a conversation with Tony Snow. What I knew from my foxs an isdays who used to be the White House press secretary who had was havingconversations with Secretariy SA rict and he says to me you know he reallywant me to Secretary Tay Rict. I like get out of here week later I get a callfrom the secretary secretary. They set up a meeting, don't Havangy lunch inthe stake department with condofly SA Rice and I'm sne like what am I doinghere right? So these things just kept happening to me like over and over andover and football, while still a big part of my life, became like lessinteresting. If that makes sense, Oh yeah thike back up thirty minutes ago,I'm a Geek like I love information. I love like absorbing new experiences andat thirty years old thirty one years old. I could feel myself being moreinterested in all of these other things that I was doing. Yeah then going to work out with Joe careating mytrainer and squatting. You know six hundred pounds and deadlift and fivehundred pounds and and building myself up physically for game that I couldfeel myself slowing down in so it's complicated and like people look at itand they get cynical or they get like snarky about it, because the giantswant a super bowl of the following year, but, like I wasn't willing to commit what Iused to commit to be as great as I was, and I knew it, and so I walked awayit's hard for people to understand that. But that's my reality now. I thinkthat's an amazing explanation, because you had other opportunities coming atyou that were bringing interests right younow. You were like me where you'vedone football. For so long is like okay, I'm Goingna go, do the same thing again,yea know what you have to do, but you got to do it to get out in the fieldand compete against the top athletes in the world e. all of a sudden, you haveother realms coming at you that you wonder about right, Youre, wondering thow government and broadcasting and your meeting all these people that are-and I can imagine why I just can see it- why that would be interesting to say.Okay, I've had opportunities. This has given me those I'm going to go chasethem now, I'm getting excited again, that's right and tryt and K whutwinning US Sup. I often think about this because people ask me all the time.Do you regret you know, leaving fot the dats on a super bowl, and I so I thinkwhere I am now in my life and the things that I ve, that I've done doinga national radio show and having y? U Know a couple businesses that I'vestarted and you know kids and like I try to think. If, if I had achampionship, would it change like my life, an where I am right now theanswer is probably no like maybe...

...perceptually in New York. It would butwould it would I be doing anything differently and the enters no, and so I don't regret it because it didn'tnegatively affect me by not being on a championship team. If that makes senselike, for. I think it's some people who define themselves by by sport, maybe itwould, but that was never me right. That wasn't me when I was fifteen yearsold. It's certainly about me when I'm forty four, so you've gone through alot of things that you've retired you live in life like everybody else isliving now s as everybody says you now we're in the real world and we're doingnormal things, but so give us a kind of a quick history ofeverything that you've done for yourself personally in business, wiseand and really what you're doing now that that you have a vision and apassion about that. You want to speak to yeah, so I mean again, it's likesport is there's some success, Os some failures. The first thing I didactually, when I retired to start a an an affordable housing world withSteve Ross whowas, the owner of the daufense he had he was looking at aportfolio. It was based out of my own town D, so I parted with them, and thetiming ended up being terrible because the market corrected itself right at O,Aih and Yo know tax credit etility, which was how we were financing. Thisdeal went from ninety six cents on the dollar to about sixty seven cents onthe dollar. So we couldn't finance the deal, and obviously that was on theequity side. On the debt side, nobody was lending in two thousand and meighteither like wee like defaulting on this big deal that we were getting into.Luckily Steve WHO's, Amentof, a man. Let us out of that deal, he personallyguaranteed it and it turned around for Hims. You fast forward. A couple yearslater, he ends up becoming the initial investor seed investor fora company that I started called Thusio, which is an event company and MediaCompany. That is split into two things. One is a INTUENCAR marketing companycalled Julius Enthusio. We do events in about eight different markets acrossthe country soon to be. Hopefully, twenty markets around the country withwith retired athletes and and entertainers and a membership basedtype of type of environment is fun, and it's growing and it's it's engaginglike keeps me busy, where's the name about Osyoo from so we realized when we started thecompany that everyone is an enthusiast of something and so like. Like thetheceo one point: Oh Aust, I want to go to dinner with Gus Right or Gingto playbasketball with whatever John Stars, not with tk and Ronde Yeah. Exactlylike, we created a marketplace where that were that transaction could happen.The hard part about it was that we ultimately were touching. Everytransaction N Aeno have to touch every transaction, it's not scaleabl, and sowe shifted the business a little bit to the demandside as opposed to supply siht, because when you're working on the supply side,you're, essentially an agent right, we didn't want to be an agent. We wantedto find a man and service that demand right. That's why we split to twocompanies, one that does events for like financial advisors or others whoare entertaining clients with our without in our networkand then ont an influencer marketing company. So the brands were looking forthe perfect influencer for their their their campaign can find them through usand so it'. It's been great. Obviously, I've been doing CB sports radio foreight years now me and Brandan. Tyrany have a national show that s hit's onfrom now. Three to six eastern newn to three Pacific and that's great, becausekees me and engaged and touching the world of sports, which I still love,even though I'm not involved in it as an athlete anymore. So what do youthink that Joe Judge has to do to continue what the New York giantshave built all these years with June fossel and and Tom Coflin nd andeverybody else that has bit a coach there and the players that have comeyeah? You know he just hired Jason GARS offense courdnew yeah. What do youthink I'd want that Bott Yeah? What do you I do to because I think it'LLIT'LLHELP JOE? But what do you think Joe has to do to keep that that giant that just hey we're the best in thisbusiness? We what I listen to his an his introductry press conference. Hesaid something that, like really resonated with me, that he wanted tobring like the blue collar back to this New York giants team like this thisthis northeast here in New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, is a lot of bluecollar giants fans here and it's all about work. It's not about being flashy.It's not about you know, look at me it's about doing, doing your job beingaccountable for your job and and and if there's one thing that he needs tobring back. It's that right. It's not about you know my Successi about oursuccess and I think he's got the right coaching staff around them to start todo that, Iknow that Brett Belima is also involvednow as a lineback coach,Jason Garret, who I have ton of respect,...

...for he was a teammate of mind, backupfor us. The year we went to the Super Bowl that we talked about and wasreally Integroaland, helping carry collins up between the quarterback thathe ultimately became for us, and so it's building Har Right Staff,which he's done because his young coach, who it doesn't have hid coachingexperience, but he's got hit: coaches, formerand, coaches on an a staff andthen now it's about putting the right talent together and like the giants,have always had a philosophy. It's about character right, it's not about!You, have the best potential. It's about character like when MichaelStrayhan was drafted. He wasn't like the consedus number one overalldefensive live and deep brushin in the historaft monic tumor. Certainly wasn'tthat I wasn't that, but we were. We became great because of the work effortat work, efit that we committed to, and I think the giant think players likethat they do have a few of them right now. I think, especially with Sa Kuan,who is at humble player as I've ever seen. DHESPIKED is aminse talent and ifyou keep building that way, then I think Joe Judge would be on the rightpath. U Tki, no being on the radio. You have to follow all sports and Ye. Haveyou always been like that? Have you always followed? Majorle is school.Orearle, Yeah E. Only one day that I didn't like like have a deep dive inwas bit was baseball, but I'm lucky because brandon tyranny, my cohost, heplayed baseball at Marist Ond, he loves his fort and so over the last, likeseven years, seven and a half years, I've learned like the inside and the inlike the like, the inner workings Af Howt. What baseball is all about, andit's been fun right because we get to have these conversations about spendrate and you know ship the shift and all these issuesthat are affecting that game and have a cool conversation about it. BasketballIV always loved Y. How that game is changed over the last. You know reallyten years, but even O. less five now is fascinating. I'm always talking withBrandon about the rockets. He doesn't believe they can win, but like it',just to watch them play and they're, so small they're, all like winebackers tothey're like all thick like defender. So if you try to you, try to switch outto a smaller guy doesn't matter right because they just switch the pick androll and like they just pound, you inti submission and then h there they'rewilling to give up point pings, like they did againsto the next hiy lostthis game, but a couple days ago they gave up that. I think their point paintdifferential was like negative twenty eight, but they combat it by being sopositive in the three point: Races and Iin, the three point, plus minus and sosometimes it'll work. Sometimes it won't, but just think about that likewhen we were growing up watching whoever the nicks on whoever like it usa dumpit down t a big man is back insod: Ask it's gonna makethe dream shaperight in Houston, like he had se these post moves that were ridiculous. WHOhas a post move anymore? You know what I mean no, but I got my spot on thewing. I don't care if you don't care who's, trying to sabout me to get therean get to my spot, I'm going to take it right, and so it's like the game is itcan falv instead of talk about it on a daily basis, it's fun yeah, I'm sureyou've learned a lot. I mean. I just wonder if you would talk aboutall these different point differentials and all these different things. If youweren't doing a sports show now right, would it now peek your interest, butnow that you're in there, because I know how you are with data andanalytics an you want to learn. I bet you just dive head. First and you'velearned a you've learned about sports and you would have never thought thatyou would have a pan. I it's got. You know, you know what it is Guss it like.It informs me like, because I understand where the datis coming fromand itforms me about what I'm actually seeing on the court and it's fun andI've got an opportunity of the last two years to do some college football games.It compass, media on the radio and so like being live at a game and and liketaking all these data points and an Tryi to discuss it like like explain itto an audience. It's something that I didn't think that I would enjoy. ButI've started to love it and o there's nothing like being in a live game. Idid a couple of alabamic games over the last couple of years. In thatenvironment I briant Denny Stadium. Is I mean that's like football, like you,never believe, Anso, that's intensive en do I've enjoyed the evolution of mygprofessional career awesome so now we're going to get into our lastsegment here. Really quick, no Huttl take a couple minutes here, but we wantto think everybody listening Yo. They can join us on RADIOCOM and alsoRADIOCOM sports and find us under the big top wit Solthe Ring Master andSports Circus and MTV. So now, Tiky we're going to get into the no hogdlesegment Dave always runs the show. Here's so dave lead theway, all rightTki. If we're talking Ouva Mount Rushmore and you can't put presidentson you- have to put athletes what what...

...four athletes would you put on thatMount Rushmore? Is this all sports? This is all sports, though RalphSampson for sure Herman Moore got tit, be hard not toPluy Shan more on there as well Claudio Rena, because e the Onetampionshis was soccer and there's like Lacrosse player. I knowI'm missing, but I'm going to say Thomas Jones, just to put my boy onthere, because II ot my record, we won't tell Chris Long, you left themoff of there yeah. I will e Liv there. He dos't need to B Owhat is yourbiggest pet Peev, my biggest pet peas hit's, a sports petpeeve. We're talking about Y pit Peev mine is people in the left lane whenyou're driving. What I think my biggest Picpeeve obviestlyis: is people who drive behind you with theirhighbeings on right. This happens to me like literally every day, and theydon't know it, and so I'm trying to like tell them how to I don't have tolike tell them t your Highbean draw right aw, but it doesn't do anything. Ithink you just like it Ama yeah people who drive with the hide beams onbecause it blinds me. I, like I Hav en people flash me thinking. My hig beamsare on and they're not on yeah. That's all Ho frustrating an I love going backat Hem. Maybe we just tell you it's a cop down the Rod, but that's that'ssupposed to be turning hem off and on as t. what's the biggest differencebetween the NFL today and when you retired contact it' like they've, legislatedcontact out of the game and in some ways that's a good thing because of howphysical the game has bea has always been, and the dangers that come fromthat, like you, know, epeted head trauma and obviously that's what wetalk about hat, I mean the jooint damage and things that nature theseguys needed, Nev replacement. So I think it's the contact that that is not being administered asit used to be. What's your worst habit, my worst habit, I don't know if I haveyou know you gotworse so y Shea, my wife will tell you it's because I put my clothes and sideout when I put them in the laundry Oh dii. Don't I don't turn tin the rightway. You'e not like everybody else would just throw them all in there andhopefully come out okay yeah, exactly Tik. If you could trade places withanyone in the world at any time in history, who would that be just for aday? Does it have to be like a real person?It could be whoever you'd like it to bet. I give you a fictiontle personsure if I could trade places with anyone. I want to be the doctor. I'm a doctor who fan Docor, Dr o Wheri,the worldlike anwhere tie for space that'sthat's good, who is the most famous iay by the way,Dr Strange or yeah. Dr Strange Right, piece of Timeyeah know dors track yeah,Oh yeah, he's in all e Doto Stragheihe is doc. He's Dr Ho I tart so the SA.Doesn't they don't? They don't make the connection but Tocor strange its DrHill right right. So if we're flipping through your phone- and you know a lotof people who's the most famous person in Teki's phone right now, that's a good question. Is the mostfamous person in my coal there's a lot ofi. Don't know IV mentioned somereally good line today, I'll say I'll, say Alex broderyguess only because ofwho he's dating yeah air soon to be marryiing right, a I'm going to go backto another mount rushwore question, but this time for the giants Hay. WHO WOULDTHAT BE? Obviously F? You can include yourself.L, I'm not on the Mount Restane of the giants. Lte Is there frank, Ifford Wellington. Clearly it was a great owner and probablyGeorge AP, okay, O amn and changed like the feel of this team. After that whole fumble, hermedwherd fumble return ittat'it, Sonica right so y it'd say those four. That's a good good ou mountrushmord for the giants. Okay, two more mine is your favorite sports movie, favorite sports movie, maybe the sand lot. Oh! I like that.It's a good one, the bad news Pars. What I remember watching the most whin.I was a kid because I don't know no,...

I related to some of those kids. Yes,right just wanted to go, be a part of something and just everybody wasterrible. Hey! I sil relate to that to dave last one all Rightt, he last one.If you could give advice to a young Tiki, Bard Barber, for you know tenseconds. What would that advice O be my bis to young Tiky Parker like ayoung Tiki barber like twelve or young tg, barber like eighteen? Well,whenever you think he must needs advice or good both. It might be aninteresting this is this surprise. You ACTAI Wouldi,would tell Tiki Barg before he went to college pursue tha the technical career thatyou wanted, not the NFL wow. I often think I often think aboutthis. I like and a lot of athletes. You knowthis Guss because you see this with your some of your former teammates onan they get lost and like they just think football's over and it's like man,what the Hel am I doing now and I'm not lost by any stretch I had kind, a veryfull life. My Y wife is fantastic. My kids are great. My careers is exactlywhere I wanted to be, but I often think back to ninety seven when I graduatedit was the gown of the Internet. Bu like it was, it was about to happen and- and I loved it I mean I can't I mean Iloved it more than football and I'm not joking, and I often think what if I had chosen to actually gowork for Arpol or Microsoft right, not that I could have, because obviously,at that point, you're expected to go to the NFL like what would I have avebeen it like?What? What would I be a billionaire now right at right? What what Chang like country of world changing technology?Could? I have developed just- and I don't know like if I takethat if I'd taken the same work ethic tat made me successful as an NFL playerand applied it to that world that computer design worldwhat I'v Done Now? No, I know you wouldt. I know you wouldn't have beensquatting six hundred pounds that I wuld eventhought abouteaie beenrunning around but been askd hem to the athlete right yeah. You would just beenn using a lotmore up here. That's for sure, Yeah Yeah! Sometimes I regret not using itis more. I'm sure you use a lot more than youthings yeah, you know yeah, I got you, I got you well Mane. It was awesome.Thank you for spending so much time with us and sharing your story with ourfans and and joining a dave, and I in the hubdle. We really appreciate yourtime Tickin my pledge agust thank Dave. All right. Thank you. Tohe take care, F,buddy, be good. YOU DO GESS! Thank you. We want to thank everyone for listeningto huddle up with Gus. Please go to our website how do up with Guscom andsubscribe and leave us a message, and let us know what he's thought about thepodcast or maybe future guests. You would like to hear from so thank youagain for listening to huddle up with gus and find us on the new RADIOCOM MAPor under the big top at the sport circus posted by Soue Ring Master.

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