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Huddle Up with Gus

Episode · 1 year ago

Steve Lott

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Boxing, boxing, and boxing is in the topic in the huddle as Gus and Dave are joined by CEO of the Boxing Hall of Fame Steve Lott. The three also discuss Lott's time at ESPN Films were he helped edit such documentaries as the Thrilla in Manilla, one of the most famous boxing bouts of all-time. Want to learn more about one of the world's oldest combat sports? Join Gus and Dave in the huddle and listen to what Steve Lott has to say about Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali, and Sugar Ray Robinson among many other elite boxers. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome everyone to huddle up with Gus,where we talk to our guests about house ports shake their life, I'm your hostGust Forott fifteen year NFLF quarterback and I'm joined by mylongtime friend and Cohot Dav Paker. You can now find us, under the big topwith the sports circus and Ringmaster Sou. Look for us on MTV, a MP tvcom, hello. Everyone welcomed anotherepisode of Huddlup with Gus Ind, your HOS guss fro fifteen year NFLquarterback and I'm joined by my longtime friendand Cohouse Day. BEGGER igus Dave, happy birthday, just turned fifty youLov forty yeah. I don't know it's a new fortynine I heard so yeah. So if you like your podcast, youcan find us on RADIOCOM or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast, andyou can also find us under the big top with souering master on the sport,Circus and MTV on Otel Television. Today Dave our guest is none other thanSteve Lot. Steve has been associated with boxing for a long time started theboxing all fame ban involved with big fights ink, and I'm really excited toreally hear about his passion. How it started in boxing and everyone that heknows, I'm sure that there's quite a few famous people in his phone thatwe're going to hear about so Steve Welcome to the show and thanks Fou,joining us in the huddle. Thank you very much for having me will be talkinga little bit about boxing the sport. You guys know nothing about exactly. Wehave no idea we're football guys at days, a baseball guy but Steve. Let'sstart with you. where, where are you from? Where did you grow up? What wasthat first time you fell in love with sports. I knew nothing about sports at all.Until my uncle taught me to play a sqot call handball. This is in the latesearlys and I became enamored with the sport of Anvil. It's like squash orrackitball, but use your hands and it ' s very big. In the s every YNTA had courts. Young kidsplayed outdoors in New York City. There were thousands of onerole courts in theparks, so back then a kid can walk right on he poard and play ball. Theydid not have to join a club. They do not have to pay for any EHLET enddeavorin any way woke on the court and when they became good if they had theinterest they went indoors to play handball in four wall courts which werearound the city and that's Gat got me the interest in sports, but it was justHampbell. I knew nothing about baseball football basketball, even though I wentto some of the Games got a chance to meet some of those great players. Itwas hanbal that got me involved in the squarter boxing, because the world'schampion was a man named Jim Jacobs and he was my coach and he had a companywith Bill Caton that owned all the fight films sow from the late earlysfrom the sport of Hamball, my coach, having a boxing film company, Imeandered into the boxing film world, and that got me into box. That's allwell, handballs, probably the least amount of equipment you need of almostany sport, maybe soccer and handball probablyway to me. It was easy just tohey: let's go play, Hambo ye didn't have to buy catchers, mask and hockeypads and everything else that that's true also, interestingly enough, it's one on one like woxing, perhaps alittle like tennis, perhaps more like than us, except you're on the same sideof the court and an handball, and especially forwill Hanbll. The actionis very quick and you're, always hitting your opponent, yours runninginto the walls, you're always getting hit by the wall, and it's aconfrontation between two athletes that are sometimes very close to each other,and the reaction time has to be very quick. In tennis, you have a second ortwo to make a decision about getting the ball, but I hitball your. The courtis very small you're on that side, with your opponent and the balls coming atyou, it was a terrific sport. Just a terrific sport can youuse in thothhands. Yes, actually the best players arembidexterous and when you watch them play, it's simply amazing what they dowith Threirh offhand. You could not tell whether they were righty or leftyand that's the big difference between perhaps in sports thereave beentremendous successes and tremendous changes. The athletes look so muchbetter in baseball football basketball...

...now than they did back in the an s andHambel much the same thing. The athletes today are spectacular in Amblthese young young kids they're, like the junior high school high school kidsin basketball. I would not been against those kids against any protein foing,the S and Hekiss that they are spectacularand that's the way it is now in Hambal. The kids are really great where's. Areally good hamball area in the in the world is there is our a hot spot forhandball. They used to be, of course, outdoorswas New York City, but now that it's mostly indoors Tuson Arizona has becomea hot bed forhandbal some hambell clubs, racketball clubs, that the anbaltplayers going back to and actually here in Las Vegas. There are a bunch of oldtimers like me that played that still play a little bit of Ambl. So, but it'smostly Tucson Arizona. Is it a similar, Batder Racquet Ball? The ball is littlebit harder. It's smaller! It's hard! If you get some players, the ball hurtswoing to hit and used to ketting the swelling up on your hand, so thatdoesn't hurt if you get hit with the bull. If your opponent hits Te Ball andit hits you thatgirds in the old days there were no eyguardsright, Tha Korean Ma Dulgebar was the first basketball player to wear theeyeguards and in Hanbal now it's mandatory to where egards, because theball, if you get it in the eye, I 's a very dangerous thing. This consideredthe best handball player ever. Is there like a Bab ruth of Ambel the players in the SS most likely therewould have been a player named Bikershqitz? who was incredible in theS and s and from Brooklyn today, the kids there,their spectacular, there's a Mexican kid naudy Alvorado, who is spectacularand one ten national championships. There are less and less players becauseit's more and more difficult to get on the court and when I'm a a kid who's,ten eleven twelve. If I have a chance of playing outdoors in a beautifulfootball field or a beautiful baseball field or an exciting basketball, CCORDor driving five miles to a Lianceta to play indoors to play Ambal, which takesa long time to practice and learn, I go for these other sports, the othersports the first day an get a bad and go up there. This is not the meaningbut basketball. You can bounce the ball and throw it you nown football you cancatch it. Handball is painful the pain in the hand very much yeah. I couldn't imagine like I meanDave, you know how hard we swing. racketball rackets, I mean just thinkabout that smacking hem with our hands. You definitely got to build up calousesand all that to you know, like you said, so, you don't feel the pain. Yes, it's it's quite a challenge, and but youknow it's you, the ball and your opponent, all in one area. It's a veryexciting sport, but that's the history now you know theyoung kids is baseball, football, basketball and some and then a yeah. So so you played a handball. Where did you goto high school? I'm assuming you grew up in New York somewhere. What HighSchool did you go to? Yes, I grew up in New York City in the Bronx and while my grades were just very averagefor some reason, there was a high school in New York called Bronx HighSchool Science and they only had the highest IQ kids over all over the city.Why I got in, I think it was because the handball coach knew of me nearby,the junior high school and said I want this kid here at this school and he wassensational the Hanbl coach. He was so sensational that he knew of the greathamdball players like this world champion Jim Jacobs, and when Imentioned the company this I ne thousand nine hundred and sixty seven.When I mentioned the company to the hamble coach, he said well, what's thestory, I said well, you know one day I like to start working there. He said.Let me see if I can rearrange your schedule, so you can get out early andgo to there and work after school. I don't know how he did it, but he gotall my intellectual classes. Early, the last four classes in the day were lunch.Jim Study Hole and recess. Huhat one o'clock. I was walking out the door ofthe high school everyone's winning. Where is this kid going at one o'clockevery day, but I went to work part time...

...at this fightfilm company just again yidea of what it was like and I was very exciting. That's like a high schoolersdream schedule like yes to be out. I mean I'm sure you had some friends haare pretty jealous. Yes, they were jealous. Actually theschool actually had a forwall handbl court in the school was very, very rareand outdoors they had about twelve one. Wol hamdbll horns, so big hamdbalschool at that time, but it was really the brains why they wanted me. I thinkI graduated with the lowest average in the history of the school, but I wasthe number one handbl player there, yougo yeah, that's great! What'simportant, you know just Yeahso what was your first job when you would leaveschool? What was your first job at big fights? What would you do for them? The company, their job and theirendeavor was buying all of these legendary fight films, and this is nowbefore social media before pay per view beforecable TV. This is when editing was done on a reel with film with one hand, crank to another hand,crank looking through a viewer movie, Scol fewer and watching the film andthen cutting a section and then cutting another section and splising it alltogether and have that ten minute highlight real of a one hour fightsense somewhere, the actual film real itself. There were like a books on ashelf. There were five copies of each fight and they were being sent in TV stations around the world and it wasa very big business ecause. In the s there was no cable TV, yeah, verylittle baseball football, basketball of high quality content and, of course,even then, the screens, the the lenses on the cameras weren't sophisticatedenough where in baseball football basketball, they were a little furtherback. You really couldn't get an intimate picture of the athlete Righ inboxing the ring is square. There's not a lot of stuff happening outside thering. The camera can get very close and you can see the fighters very andthat's what happened in the s. The films showed very intimate shotsof the fighters and that's what the TV stations liked. After the Monday nightfights and the Wednesday night fights and the Thursday night fight the livefights on TV. These legendary fights were shown of Demsy Lewis Marchetto andwas a very big business, but my job was cutting the films and figuring out whatwas the best ten minutes to put in from a one hour fight, and it was painfulfor me, my my boss, jrom Jacobs, finally said to me Steve Whatever youleave out. No one will know it's missing. Youunderstand right and to that point I've en fifty years, no one has ever said tome Steve. You cut that Ali Fraser fight to third fight, but you didn't showpart of around six. Well, it's you know. No one has ever said that right sofight the introductions. The action, the knockout the decision at the endand they're satisfied nowadays the attention span is even shorter. Sowhenever I added something it's very short highlight clip and the fansenjoyed yeah, you have like a minute at most right that that mean becausethey're scrolling through their social media, they want a quick clip. Theywant to move on David. I know that well with the PODCAST, because that's why werecord all of our shows so that we could show people when we ask, we think is a greatquestion, but it's even usually a better answer by our guests that youknow we could show our fans a quick clip of all that, and so it's prettyinteresting. You know that that we don't have to use tape dosplace it alltogether. We use premiere pro and there's all these crazy apps out thatyou can just put the film in and- and it doesn't for you, so it's prettyamazing. Now I couldn't imagine what you would have done if you H D had thatthere's no actual cutting room for now BAC AEA! Well now, with the with video,electronics and PC. It's easy, but back then reel the film cut it with a pair of scissors spliceit with with at Hesof Tate with glue and then go to the next one glow makesure Itall works, make sure it doesn't pull. Apart, put on a real, the realghost to England, France, Germany. That was the way it was and fifty years agonow, with edding and electronics, you canedit within ten minutes and email the file across the world and thirtyseconds later back in the old days as the company gonvolved with livefighters which was really exciting back,...

...then there was no way to take a digitalphotograph and send it to Ha photograph on negative film. The film had to bedeveloped. Then you get the contact sheet back. You pick out the photos youwant to send you send it VI negative back to the lab they make those printsfor you. A couple days later, you have to mail, the prince to England, France,Germany, magazines around the world, whether with Ringma a physical print,an an envelope just like the videos and so crazy. It was a different world, butthat's that's the way it was so when you would send out a highlight video.Like say you made a ten minute clip of a fight that just happened from thetime. The fight ended to let's say somewhere in England, could watch thathighlight clip. How long of that, how long would that take that prosbesing,you cutting it putting it in the mail getting over there, somebody be beingable to see it. Ninety nine point, nine percent of thetime these were fights it took place years before Ohrealyeah it was AliLeuis, Dempsey, Morchiano Robinson that I had in the cabinet and was a wholefive and edit it down. Okay, sothe company was hired by promoters top rankking dunking productions back then without pay per view. What was done alot of the time a fight was filmed. It was edited overnight and then broughtto the movie theaters the next day as a highlight reel, so that guys, who menwomen, who would not spend twenty five thirty dollars to see the closedcircuit TV. That's when they actually showed the the image on a big screen infront of a in a movie theater for people who don't want to spend athirtydollars the next day for two dolars. They could see a highlight film.So in that happened once perhaps, once a year the fight took place I' go tothe arena. The fight took place back. Then it was a huge video tape in the SSthat was given this coal to inch quad weighed about fifty pounds to videowhich send I to laboratory they transferred from video to film theentire fight with sound. The film came back. This is at one o'clock in themorning start editing the film to where it's now, a twenty minute version formovie theaters, send this twenty minute version of a positive original filmback to the lab they make, which calld a thirty five millimeter blow upnegative like Youd, see from great motion pictures is thirty five millionmeter. Then they sawt making prince from that, and those prints was sentout that next morning, so within twenty four hours the fight was shot. Thefight was transferred to film wos edited and then shipped out thirty fivemilimede prints, which are huge prince throughout the world, but that wouldhappened within twenty four hours, because the next day guys want to seethat fun. They don't want to see it a week later. They want to see it. Thenext day did you ever. Did you ever get grief from maybe promoters or managersor the fighters themselves about what you choose chose to put into thepackage like it might not depictd exactly what went on in the fight. Intheir opinion, it would have been incredibly rare thata promoter or the manager of the fighter or the fighter himself with atra anyone in near ompress would say: How can you left out that shot ofnot,something tha? The promoter was only interested in how much money came inthe fighters were only interested in who on who lost how much money did Iget. The journalists would write up about howwonderful the fight was, but I would real. I would think that very few ofthem would have gone to the theaters next day to see a highlight real ridacusremembered the fight was Greay. Hopefully it was great. Sometimes itwas not and and that- and that was it, but no one ever complained well, you're,probably doing a good job to got to fit yourself in e hat for that. Well, I wish that was the case. If I wasediting Joe Jenkins versus Tommy Smihers, I think some people might beupset right. It's Mohammed Ale, right with Mohammedoe doing anything for justwalking into the ring and some of the stuff he did was so incrediblyentertaining and funny and stuffd you know, but that Woul, that was rare,they'll, never be another nother Alli, but that's the advantage. I had it'slike I'm going to use a bad analogy, walking into a restaurant, with Jenny,Jenkins or walking into a restaurant with Jennifer Lopets. I right. Okay, noone's going to be upset with me with Gen with Jalo. You know right rightwith Ali it was Ali. We did a couple...

...sugar in Leonard One ad, one or two,but mostly Ali in the s valet stay and play on your next, get away to LosAngeles. The Western boneventure hotel and suits offers effholist access toall the city of angels has to offer whether you're hoping to catch aconcert or sporting event. Our hotels just moments away from all the actionand accessible to Hollywood, beaches, museums and theme parks. The packageincludes a guest room and valet parking for reservations, use promocode PSF inthe codebox when making your online reservation or call one two. UN Threesix two four one thousand and ask for Promo Code PSF, so you're with bigfight tink after high school. Did you just start working for them full time,then its full time, I loved editing the films and then, in the during that timeperiod. In the s cate and Jacobs were funding the training camp forcustomodel in upstate New York. They were paying the rent, they would paythe Food Fihtin Wul come and go transportation, and during that time grade, that's when Jimand bill began to think about managing fighters and by the late s they had acouple of great fighters in the S, T had one fighter that they were co: managers op and that was a fightofname, Eugene cycone art from Philadelphia, very exciting fighter,and we would go down. There watch the fight, but they really weren't incomplete control of the fighter, but it wasn't until the lates that they beganto get involved heavily with fighters and that's when it really became a lotof fun yeah. So then did you did they always use cuss for everything? If a fighter was starting out or very early in hiscareer, they would head to Catsville or they' be induced to go to casskill towork with cus once in a while one of the fighters that Jim had and bill hadonce in a while, they would be sent to casill just totrain for the two weeks or ten days before fiht, but they really weren't upthere to learn anything to be drilled on anything. If cus had a very youngfighter, a young amateur, he would drill them on certain things. But fromnow looking back in his eyes and looking back in the way, I've seenboxing, it's incredibly rare that a professional fighter and go from onetraitner to another and change in any perceptible way whatsoever impossible.It's you know once they get the habit of doing something, they may be able tochange it in the gym, with no pressure and just a squine partner and may beable to do what the trainer wanted him to do that he never did before, but ina professional fight. When the Bell Rings foround one and the pressure ison the fighters reverb to what they do in their whole history, it's impossibleto change. So what was cuss known for like a like there's, I guess, there'sall kind of different styles. You know they talk about South Ponin diffdifferent styles. What was he known for for teaching that Fun Foundation to thefighters? What was he actually like? What was he known for? Because I knowhe worked with Tyson a lot of other people, it's an interesting point about trainers and, I think, there's amisconception about trainers, a fighter, a kid who's in eight nineTan. Eleven twelve, who runs track in the morning, who isathletic who's tough gets up in the morning, wants to learn an D ance tobecome a boxer. If that kid is brought to a Jim and gloves, are put on him andhe's put on the heavy bay and there's other kids in the gym that are training,if that young kid is by himself on the Bak and someone says just copy what yousee in six months, he's gonna have a jeb he's Gona a e a right hand, he'sgonna vet up her cutlet he's gonna. Have everything there's nothingwhatsoever, zero, that Tho trainers instill in the fight, because when youwatch boxing every fighter has a jab. Every fight has your right hand everyfighter has an upper cut. Every fighter can move around the ring a little bit.Every fighter has some combinations. They all do exactly the same thing,except for the two most critical things in boxing the too most critical andthat's what costs with drillon the to because everything else to fight isGoin pick up, plimes right and those two things when I tell fighters withtrainers, they're in disbelief that it's like when you make a funny noise at a dog and youmake the noise and they like turn their...

...head like what Thack is that yeah?That's what these train is. They have no concept of what it is. The twothings number two UNTHE list hands up, not the bullshit. You know mad wether,but hands up. Maybe here her here is even better. Why? Because you don't gethit with the books, that's right, fest, important thing: Okay and there'snothing that prevents you from throwing those punges I've heard trainers, say:Well, you can't throw the JAB from here incampment, not correct, Mike tys AD,no problem, foring, jads or right hands from the hands up position number oneon the list. If you and I, the three of us, went to any gym in the history ofthe world and watch the trainer in the fire, there's one thing that you'llninety nine for nine percent of the time you will never hear that is moveyour head move your head: Let's go to the mirror ant to practice now slipping.Let's try that n a million times. Okay! Now I a practice weaving a milliontimes now. We'e Goe practice of Jab and slipping a million, never happens. I'vebeen to gyms with champions and their trainers. They got O thepads fid apunch, punch, punch, punch, punch and never moves his head. When you watchboxing professional boxing, it's incredibly rare that you'll see thefighters slipping, punches and EAS methic weaving. I dare- or I should say. I challengeanybody today to show me a video in the last twenty years, where a fighterweaved onthe knee and came up punching Neren Tyson, all the time Rasario Henry Armsdrunk Shab Bes yes, but todaynot one fighter would weave that's one of the O, bumbs Weve Fun Te Need BangRight back, doesn't happen, fighters full back. A hold their hands up, butthey don't do what is most unnerving but the other fighter, and that's oneof the things that trainers don't understand is not only. You want to attempt to beat the fighter physically,your Pon, but you want to try to feed them mentally and emotionally.That's just as important as bedding him physically and cus knew that the handsup the head motion, but also instilling inthe fighter the knowledge that he will be nervous in the ring, that's normal.But now how do you transplant that onto the other guy? How do you? How do youget that on the other guy and that's the same as in tennis, a guy has a great serf buthe's playing against a player. who was a tremendous returnerser, the playerwith the great shirt surs the ball, but the other guy hits a winner up the line. The server thinks what the heck wasthat that's never happened to me before the server serves again. Bang the otherguy hits a winner up the line. The server now says. I can't win disguistoo good. That's exactly what happened in many fights when fighters are sogood, the other guy, he doesn't show it, he doesn't say it. He doesn't tell it.He doesn't write it, but mentally he's saying this Saine toe work, I'm notgoing to win. That's what you'd love to have your fighter force on the other guy, the belief thathe can't win and that's what Tyson did and what cust knew would happen withfightins. What's the first time you ever saw Tyson cuss got mike up in cast one thousandnine hundred and eighty and much like the fighters from before cus, probablycalled Caton and Jacobs, and said I got a kid. You know an in the S. he'd callI got a kid. They said Gray, cuss peep us up to date on what the Kidis doingand nothing ever happened. One thousand nine hundred and eighty I got a kid.His name is Mike Tyson. He's could be something they probably said: Greaycost. Let keep us up today. I Meat Mikebriefly in in eight wo hundred and eighty three. He had heard his hands.He came into meet with a doctor in New York and mental for two minutes and Ididn't know anything about him. Not One manager was interested in Mikeat that time, not one trainer, not one TV station, not one promoter, becausehe was just an amateur sincanious lamature, but cus had that vision, butit wasn't until Mike began his procareer that he came to the cityoften and that's when he began hanging out at my apartment and spending anight every two weeks, he'd fight, he'd Havone night in between, but that's when I started to really get to know him inearly eighty five. So he would have been about what age. At that point, hewas Eightteam, okay at eighteen. At...

...that time you know, and then nineteenhi was aof course o pro and at twenty, as when he fought trever burbick andbecame the youngest champion. You know, but it was a lot of fun with Mike early on, even when it was aprofessional. Turning pro, the amateurs who won the Olympics in eighty fourbecame the superstors that right, tyro, bigs, Pronell, whittaker, Mark Breland band only feel they began their careeron network television and TAT scraregoing. My began his career in theBoondochs and Albany and little arena with no TV, but cus had that visions, very toughhat that vision of what the fighters going t become next month, the monthafter the month after that, and and it was accurate with me and my MikeWuil- chill out on the couch after each fight and come in for a day and hangout as the weeks and months went by, I come ont, my bedroom and theres myTiein, my buddy, but just the for round fighter as the weeks and months went by,he was a four ound fighter, six round, eight ten contender and then one day.Of course, I came out of my bedroom and there in the couches the heavyweightchampion the world. An that's like having Mickey Manlolli may right right,yeah and he was the most terrificate. The most terrificid and Juman bill atthat time had some great great fighters. Also in Edun Rosaria, it was a lightwaychampion and Wilferd Benites was a triple crown champion and might havethe advantage, or I should say the opportunity to watch all these films ofAli Lewis, Denpsi Marchiano, Robinson Onstrong, and he became a master ofhistory like cush. He absorbed cussis love for thefighters of the past and having the films to look at. In addition to thebooks to read a picture is worth a thousand words and once Mike saw afight of a fighter that became indelible in his mind. He knew exactlywhat the fighter was. He looked at the book to see when the fighter fought whohe thought. How much he weighed. I would dare say there are not manypeople on the planet who know more about the history of boxing and, likehis memory, is absolutely spectacular. He adored it so much who is hisfavorite boxer. I've heard him switch once or twice,and I think that Henry Olmgstrong W W A was probably at the top of the list because of Henry's aggression in therink yeah, and anybody who scores over a hundred knockouts their career. Youknow I mean you know and fighting, I think in one thousand, nine hundred andthirty seven Armston Fort Fifteen Times one year and of course he was a triplecrown champion. You know featherway light weight and welted await and camethat close to winning the Middle Way Championship also becoming a fourtimechampion. So for Mike he adored all the fighters. He had the Jack Dems haircuck. He cuthis hair very short on the side right put in the goal to which fighters hadin the teams in the s that was a mark of of wealth to have a goal to like some of the fighters had. So wejust became enamored and it's interesting with some of thejournalists that he spoke with in that time period Ay in and eighty seven,they would mention something about a fight that happened in the es s andMike would correct, said no that wasn't Goldfieln Abouti, that was tonopon.That was a year before on thousand nine teen D Twe. They would be blown away.You know, but that's how Mike Love that sport? What was the I believe, I'mright on this? He didn't wear socx did he. I don't know how would avolve wwout thesocks? I know that with the trunks early on, he was wearing differentcolor trunks and I had asked Jim Jacob's wife one day.What colord do you think would be a great color for Mike to wear to so itwould be continuous. So it would be the same. Look every time she said blackwould be a great color and Bolman was black trunks. I found these two patchesonce at go America. One said USA, with a flag put them on there on the trunks.You know. I thought that subconsciously for the press at Ringside when a fight is wearing. USA O goAmerica, it's tough to say, negative things about the fighter. Yes, a it's amental thing, it's nothing, that's a...

...the paying attention to, but it'ssomething that may may be an inducement to being neutral as fine, but I didn'twant to have anyone ride Mike. You see the guys who come into the rim todaywith all this stuff on them and everything Thi can just picture. If Iask Customoo cust, what do you think about this outfit, this guy's wearinginto the ring? You know a would like at at all? WellMi Mike Civn, even wear robe did he. He do walk out right that that was histhing. I don't know why, but the black shoes no shocks the the trunks. That was his idea, no roe, why I don'tknow, but it became a thing. It became a thing: no row, no socks, Jim Lampleyon HBO, every time saying and mices centering as usual, no robe, no shots.No! What the WORY NO ACCOUTRAUR MOM! What is the Wordye do? Nothi. I thinkthat goes back to the intimidation factor that you talk about getting intothe other boxer's head. I mean that was one of the things. I think that he wasgreat at everything that you read about them and and listen to the other boxers.A lot of them always knew that he was a heavy hitter. He did all these things,but those little things that you were t just talking about those getting theirhead. You know, and and if you have any doubt in your mind, going into thatring, I'm sure you're not going to have a good night. Well, you know early onthe while managers promoters TV did not know of mine. This is eighty five MarAPL maytune the fighters knew of him the managers. The trainers knew thatthis kid was a big puncher, so those early fighters they may have beenintimidated to some degree as the FSCHAMPIONSHIP. You know, those guyswere pretty tough. You know they've been around Verbick Smith, ThomasStucker, and they came to fight if they were intimidated, they didn't show it.They had already seen Mike come into the ring over and over and over. You know they were concerned with theirown thing, lending the JAB. You know they're not going to just be flusteredand just walk out of the ring. They took their beating, some of them, likeMitch Green stood in there for ten rounds. chillous put on a tremendousshow against my back in eight six. You know o James, Bon carser Smith, Wentwelve rams. They may not have come out blistering these other fighters, butthey weren't going to quit right and weren't. They may have been a littlereserved. The one thing that they didn't like that they were uncomfortable with was the fact thatthey knew inherently, that they threw a punch and miss the getting hit backright. That's something as a oster. You don't like. It's never happened, youthrow a punch either you miss or you hit the other guy and he throws a Pontree that he misses or he gets you. But it's incredibly rare that you throw aPunche, the other guy misses and you get hit back. That's incredible, that'svery unnervon, and then, when you throw a big Hook and the guy like a MikeTyson wreeves and comes up punching, that's very aner that doesn't happen inthe gym. Didn't happen, another fights and that's would bothered the fightersthe most they didn't show it. They didn't say it. The trainers probablysaw out of as well, but they didn't want to reinforce that fear into thefighter. But that's what made fighters uncomfortable is throwing punch notgetting the punch over for getting hit y return, so ou you've been in the ringwith Mike when during matches right, correct working the corner, yes, yeah,work in the corner, so when that happens now you know coming from thefootball world. There's a thousand coaches everybody's telling you what todo. You got other players out there, the boxers by himself and you're,trying to tell him what he needs to do. Does he give you any feedback or is itjust the trainers and the people in the corner telling him here's? What we needto do? Here's how you need TDO adjust there? Is he giving you any feedbackwhile you're in there? Well, two things number one might never gave feedbackand I've seen you know five films for the last fifty years, one sound on film became big in the sand then video in the s with the kenoscopes of watching PBC fightsMonday Wednesday. I've never heard a fighter say t a the trainer. I don'tthink that's the way it should be, or I I've never heard that before Andas onething migke would never have done with Kevin Rooney, not with Customatto andnow with Keveruni, because he knew that the information being given to him wasin his best interest. That's a critical thing for anybody, whether yourcelebrity, whether you're an executive oforporation. If you know that theinformation is being given, you is the...

...best tit can be and you're not an idiot,you take it in you've, know you've trained like that. You've known youfool like that doing that in the real fight is the challenge, but you're notgoing to say I don't think I'm gonna throw the JAT this round, I'm Gon,throw the right hand. That's never happened with Min. I think that's justa trust factor that working with people so closely in anything that you do in life. If youhave that trust, it's just Koind tof come out way better and you and thenyou can really take that information and listen and and put it forth andwhatever you're doing. I think I think that's what it was. It sounds like Po.Probably it's a good point. Probably fifty percent is trust and the otherfifty percent is the experience of knowing that that's worked. The successof the technique, the success of that particular time in the ring that punchwhat the effect is. What's going to happen after that, so, while in thecorner, I'm sure that Mike was thinking about what Kevin Runy was saying, butit was something that he would have said in training for Fer year year toyea right there wasn't a magical thing, he would jo say you know andhe. Would you something that custinvented? That is the most brilliant thing and as a football player you'R,not the number system for punches each punch at a certain number right so thatwhen a fighter began learning to plunge and learing to fight, you wouldn't haveto remember the name of the punch. The number would be associated with thepunch, which made it very unique in the corner to tell a fighter five fint six,instead of saying left, took to the body left took to the body rightid orwhen the fighters in the fight actually fighting it's against the rules, SOMthe grady yell out instructions but would have just yelling out five sixone two bom it will be. Commission is reallynot react, but the fighter knows exactly what's going to happen sofootball, the planebook, I don't know anythingabout football, but you got to be a nucleur scientist, ree tet! No, youdon't! I played you, don't have to be believeme Iwas a quarterback to everyevery once in a while. I flipp the channels watch football and the coachesthat they have these playbooks with everything alot. They have guys in thestandard, but I'm sure with Birnocular, Oh yeah and the headsets, and you knowwide right, Z on to of Oboxing trainins Moo. What Yeah Pod UN UNCH WAT? That's notwos cuts fiveuny, two ohne exactly what to do. Swi I en to fix UN two one. Twohune two fi knew exactly what to do. It was a mechanical process that thefighter did not have to invent any football in Hollywood movies. The coach sayingto the quarterback, who told you to run that play that doesn't happen, I'm surein football the quarterback is given a certain play, or he knows a certainplay and everyonethe field knows a certain play and that's the play theydo. It's not like well today. Well Goin, do something different! That's what happens! Ninety ninepercent of the time in boxing the fight it doesn't Greally, not know what to dohe's not instructed what to do he much easier for the trainer at ringside totell the fighter almost like having a switch on the wall right I or what todo, and that's what made my and it's not something that is so many variablesthere's. So many only so many punches in boxing yeah that a right hand uppercut upper Cutbuk, it's not like football, where theres seventy sevenguys in the field. Oh yeah, it's crazy! I don't even know how to fot just punchand move your head to anp up punch movie that did Mike Ever give you afake five, six une two ye like you. If you like you, you justtake this finger and take it and put on eneath your rib, because that's whereyou would hit guys with a body shot, and we just take this finger, you know,put I go come on my man, it hurt just he like to pick on you a little bithowlike you, but when HEU liked you and have a lot of friends but the friendshe like he would do. Something that is very rare in the United States probablydoesn't happen too much in foreign countries either. But this was big inthe in the tsn s, especially in England, men would walk on an arm down thestreet, an Youseei Jack Mc, Joe Lewis, on Arminaur, and that's what Mike didhere in the United States with his friends he de e Wat arm an I'm down thestreet. I wasn't going to be the one I don't know if anyone's going to come upto Michosaye man, you shouldn't want...

...that wth mike you know, but he had thatincredible sophistication that confidence. That was a part of what heloved about the old Tine fighters and the old days that a guy can walkharming on or even better. Yet, if you like you, he put his arm around. Youwalk down the street. You know hanging at like that's something you really gonto see with anyone sports guys, celebrities, you just not, but he hadthat confidence and that love for the past. That's what fighters did in thepast year right start your day, sunny sign up at the Westen bondaventurehotel and sweets and enjoy breakfast for two on us, no matter how you planto spend your trip to Los Angeles start every day with a hearty meal to kickstart your morning enjoy breakfast for two on US each day. You stay forreservations, be sure that PRIMOCODE S for B appears in Te Promo codebox whenmaking your online reservation at Mariottcom, backsl, lax, bw or call one.Eight hundred two O eight ninety udred ND, Ninety and ass for Promotional CodeS for B. I don't think I sell insurance. I don't think that would work with me,but helps be my ti I' beat up in the elevator doin that so big fighttink hasa lot of film. Obviously, you've processed you've made clips ofit. What is the altime best film that you guys have in your in your library?What is your favorite film? You have in your library, thethe fight that really that I admire the most. The fight thatI wish I was at. You know. I was very lucky with the fighters that Jim andbill had and the opportunities they had to film the fines. I got a chance tomeet all these great fighters from demp seat, tunny, Walcott, Sharky, smellingPatterson. You know, of course, Ali Fraser Foreman, some of the fighterswho died, Monzan Griffith, you know boys, but the one fight I wish I wouldhave been at that was filmed was the second Lewish melling vine. This is inThousan nine tundren. Thirty eight Joe Louis, is now champion right twoyears before he had been knocked out by Max Melling, but now hi's champions,beginning of world or two. The pressure is enormous. Smelney coming back tochallenge for the Championship: Mattaa Yankee Stadium, pack, woutd.Seventy five thousand people couldn't imagine that president of the UnitedStates, Golding Joe Joe, with depending on you, that'spressure. It's one thing. If you have the TV station commencing, YOU'RE gonnahave to come in two minutes later, but the president in the United Statescalling you and tell you what, depending upon you and his performancein the ring, I wish I was at ringside to see that two minutes of concredibleferocity from Joeluis and from what I've been told and read is that inGermany, of course, now it's four five or four pock in the morning they turnedoff the radio broadcast because they didn't want the German people to hearthat match. Meny was getting knocked out, but that that's the one fight Iwish I could have been at is to see that that second, Joe Leis smellingBiin be interested, is maybe you know this, but theprobagandup from the Germans after the fight was over. Did they just not talkabout it or was there a spin to it that they put or you know, yeah after the fight? I'm notsure what the public sentiment was outside the UnitedStates. In t United States, theres news reels, Parlem people dancing all over. You know, and you have toremember that in the Yankee Stadium much like today and Mike Tyson us the funniest lineever I had taken them to a health club once and it was in New York City, andwe got that early about four thirty before everyone started t o come in,and now people coming in at four thirtywere on the bite, biking and it's whiting, Whiteo white people veryexpensive, but white after about two minutes, Mike looxsme says not apopular place for the brothers. You know, I said no ITASO Yankee Stadum RMEMBER.Seventy five thousand white people, not great white people, okay, I went tobeen very lucky: Massa Square Garden, Olli Fraser. Second, all these shaverswhite people, okay, Alli Norton, the Yankees State. What in Manila, I wasvery lucky to go to Manila for the third Olly frasor fight, you know sothe Yankee Stadium, you know it white people, black people, greet they loveJoe Lewis and when sometimes I'm asked who's the greatest fight of all time.It's very tough to put a definition on...

...greatness I'd, rather break it up a little bitand say most famous fighter Woll time. Of course, Mohammedai love been adored by Public Yiali, butJoe Lewis, in that time, for was love and adored most exciting. Well, that's when you turn off the teat witturn off the sound and the TV said and Mak believe you don't know who'swatching and say: okay, who's, the most exciting fighter. Will that be a tosseup? You know Mike Tyson is going to be right up there somewhere and number oneand then the best one were the most interesting one is pound for Pat, whichfighter is the gratest ful time proud for pound and that's something that hasto do with putting together some different facets, meaning if sugar, aLeonard at hunded forty seven was instead six foot four and two forty.He would have been heavyway champ for about fifty years, but he was only oned,forty, seven and and a six feet on the opposite side. It's little. I don'twant to be. You know offensive, but Ali. He was six two antd fifteen, but if hewas one forty, seven and five eleven, he would not have made it. He justwasn't a big enough puncher. He just an Hav that stuff sugary, Lenad n hundredan forty seven was a monster. Puncher Monster Punch, IM, okay, so some guys,you know Duran at six, two and twun forty would have been a monster. Youknow of Vanda Holyfield. If he was, you know undred and seventy five and sixfeet. He would not have made it as everyway. The guys today bw it it's not that they're good, it'sjust that, it's so damn big, six, six andto fifty and six five and two fortyfive. You know, but if you took any one of them and made them six feet inhundred an forty seven, they be driving, taxis, int, Moni right well, who is thelast guy that won the heavy weight? Th the what's his name, Whit, ipeof, Hysonfury is the big big name now. Well, he just got beat right by well. He beattheante wilder so he's he. The Big Na Tyson Feri Bet beat yeah, but he I meanhe's got to be what and sixty I thinkyoure right to six six seventsixty. You know you know, and that's fine that he's champion he's done ityou know, and but you know if he was six feet and, and you know, O hondredand forty nine hundred and fifty he would not have been known. No one wouldhave known him the heavy weights today. It's just sad that all of the youngkids today in the United States, who are ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteenthey're not going into boxing the father, takes him to the footballfield. There's a beautiful football field, then he says: Let's check outthe baseball field, takes the tenuold kid to the baseball, feel its beautifulit's white as clean. You know, let's tick out, basketball, to go to thebasketball corn. It's beautiful! It's white is clean, H, girls, Pomhum, you know, son. If you becomeheavyweight champion, youill make more an one fight and you making your wholecareer. Let's check out the boxing, they drive twenty miles to a dark,dirty gym with Spit Buckets and the kid looks round and sees the Guys Dad. I don't think so.No thanks! You know any one of those kids today on television, disee playinghigh school June high school basketball football. These kids are monsters. Theybeat incredible fighters incredible, but it's tough to start. It's not funlike baseball football, but it's not clean. It's not pretty so and that'swhy all the great fighters are the smaller guys because they can't playbaseball football basketball, the too small right. That's why all the heavyweights come from Europe because there's no baseball football,basketball and they're not playing soccerize. They go into boxing. Youknow the clitchcos and the Lenux lewises and the Tyson furies, but youknow its just that they're big they're, not that good, but they're big well intelevision coverage to has to you be S, you know used to be ABC and a Sundayyou Co Watch Tyson, one thousand nine hundred and eighty six or whatever. Youknow it's different. Now I think too, right yeah, it's the competition for the viewer is verytough back, of course, in the S Yehad thore was some basebool footballbasketball. But, as you said, boxing was on network television yea Saturdayafternoon you c watch Mohammad Ali or Alexisic whale or Budagaran or sugaryLeonard, but now baseball football basketball is huge and takes up a lotof the time on network television. Also,...

...the fighters are just not that quiteexciting and you have tremendous competition from the UFC yeah key andboxing is getting that young audience and a young audience if they watch MMAand boxing. The MMA is more exciting couple O reasons number one anything go,the guy can get bit and get kicked in the drawning agan busted up on his faceand no gloves that's number one. It's more exciting, physically number, two,the fights are short. They did something brilliant in making the fightshort the attention spent by in boxing. By a time it gets around. Eight nineten young people have turned out, there's no way, they're going to watchright and your see for rounds. They'll stick out for the for rot and Bom.Another fight comes in and then another fight. So that was the brilliant thingthat the USC did is the fact that anything goes. But the fights are shortthat was brilliant. Well, you I think, what's Briltin is what you've done nowis you've taken all those films, you've created the boxing hull of fame andyou've, given an opportunity for a museum, something like that. So fansthat still love voxy can go somewhere and watch all this because, even thoughyou can catch it up on Google and everything, it's just something special.When you go to a place like you've created in Las Vegas, to be able to go see allthat stuff right. Well, we don't have a physical place, yet it's it's kind ofgetting a little tougher, because the hotels have very little space and whatI had to learn from young people can eleven twelve. Thirteen is that, what'sjust as important is having a physical space is having the social mediampresence and the gentleman and women that I started to work with on this boxand wholl te fame project, because there wasn't space available, weconcentrated on social media facebook mostly and Youtube on facebook. Now wehave almost seven hundred thousand followers wow, which is nont F, theit's more than the baseball whole fame in the football fhame combine. Yes. Why? Because in baseball football, not aDISPARAGY, but they put a picture of Micky mantlholding, a baseball mat andthat's their post for the day. That's wonderful and Micky male to me isbetter than manty nine percent of the boxes, but in boxing we put on a VeolEngo S, not cer, and that's what gets people to come back again and againthat action. So you know the the other thing we did infoxing pull of fame is that we didn't want to put a spotlight onthose that Wurd not fights. We want to put a spotlight on just the fighters,so while every whole of Thame has what they call non participants, RightiAnheris this we don't, we w just have the fighters, because without thefigrers there would not have been any promoters, it would not have been anytrainers. There would not have been any cutmen N. I would not be sitting herewith you, but wasn't for my Tyson and woo Fu Binitas, and then I would not besitting here so every promoter, every manager, it's incredibly rare- that afighter has a someone around him that can beconsidered a plus a tremendous plus in some way. Most fighters have guysaround them that have no concept of business. No concept of television, noconcept of revenue, that's what made the fighters around Jim Jacobs inVilcatin, very special. They, those fighters had incredible brilliance,looking down upon them with Customotte, almost like a doctor. Looking under amicroscole as a certain facet of the body of the blood righs, Jacob nccatonwould look the most innocuous. Things were under a microscole and that'swhone things that they instill in made in traveling with Mike. I asked for the phosician and it gaveit to me to be in charge of my for the time prode before each figt, the fiveor six weeks. So, in addition to my staying in my place and living ansitting on the couch the moment, the fight was signe. Steeve Mike's,Fighting Twenty Tucker in Las Vegas in August Fil get everything ready. Thatwas six eight weeks before the fight travel, medicals, all the press getting to Las Vegas, making sure amich was spine. The pressure was was was enormous. The pressure was looking back was very exciting, buttheir concept of looking under a microscope. That's why I did all thetime I didn't show Mike that I was doing that. I didn't show Kevin Roonyngthat I was going Thaa, but it was being observant to make sure that Erefascet,no matter how small it was, was looked...

...at and addressed Tso. One thing Ididn't want to happen is for the call from New York from Kate, no Jacobs tostay Steve. How did that happen? That's right. The thing in the world yeah andand if you're with them, that was on the phone but you'R with them, and theybrought that up. Also, they wouldn't say anything they would just look atyou and I'd be like what do you mean Steve Yeah? You might be hed to figure it out,it's crazy, because I knew they were right and I hated making mistakes. Butafter a while you start and that's the beauty of having worked with CatonJacobs and cust, I never thought what should I do. I always thought: WHATWOULD JIM DO? No, no! What would te wait? Second, what would cust to rightnow? Then it became easy right. So so how can everyone see so they go to youtubewhere? Can theyfind you the the most exciting place to go would be facebook, it's boxing allOthine Las Vegas and usually put on five or six different videos, Aday,usually jus, stayin, foxing history, there's always up Mohammed Ale, fied orJoe Lois fied, or eject him to fight a short sequins fighters, the fighters onpeople right in hey. That was a great fight. I saw a joloes or sometimes theDADS of the kids would ride in. Yes, I was at the fight with Ali and this likethat, but it would be facebook boxing all the FAMEOS bages right, awesome,okay, so one last little SAGMENT WE DO Steve is we call it the nohuddle? So if,if you're familiar with the two minute drow or the no Howdo we're going tomove the bout out field, so dave alway starts us off. We ask you somequestions. You can fireback really quick. Yo, ask you know quite a fewhere a and we a have some fun with it, and we would just want to remind all ofour guests that you can find us on Radiocom or wherever you listen to yourfavorite podcast or under the big top of souther ring master on the sportscircus. So Dave want you fire and start the no huddle, okay Steve. So you know a lot about like prefightou, like you said, Tyason live with you for eight weeks before e fight. What's the most overrated beating up toa flight training tactic and, what's like the least underrated? Well, the most overrated thing is food. You know back in the NS food theythey ate anything. Now you got to eat this and this- and this meansabsolutely zerol, because the most important thing is not getting hitright, not getting here, and that means moving your head Yeah D, not thetraining, not the way. It's not running up, downstairs, training learning notto get hit, that's good! So we know you've been around boxing.You've been involved in boxing for a long time. What is your mout rushmoreof all the boxers who do the top for youputting out there? Well, I love Joe Buis, then Mohammedali. You know HenryOlmstrong Shewburry Robinson. I want to take out of that for a second MikeTyson, only because it's an emotional attachment, but those four fighters knoespecially Joe Lewis, that's a great Mount Rushmore. How about okay, I'mGoin to ask you one warm Mount Rushmore question the mount rush. More boxingmovies there've been more films made on boxingin Hollywood than any other sport. You know from beginning of the century,especially because once again, the cameras in Hollywood can focus it onthe ring where a pofoobal basketball in the teams, two thusandns it lookd likemidgets running around the therithin, so ito you ow. Of course you know thefirst rocky is the one film that made it huge. Of course, one F the AcademyAward the AFI. This is just in the site: TheAmerican Film Institute every ten years, rakes the top hundred films of old timeand for the last twenty years, they've been about the same. There are sixfilms and top hundred that have to do its sports, six films and top hundred.Of course, the number one film is always Sissin cane and then CASSLblanke and then Gofo fish films, five with HEM AE boxing. Well one was that,but the five, not in particular order but I'll try to get raging bulls goingfrom number eight Bu. Eighty, its number five now all time, Wel then onthe waterfront with course mall and Brando. Even though there's no box inthere city lights, cholley chapon piece of boxer who helps a blind girl bygetting her money for an operation. Okay, then there's polpe fiction. Ofcourse, Bruce Willis is the boxer in...

...the very beginning of the film or es abox and, of course, rocky the only other film. That's not boxing film, it's forest gum, he plays table tennis and he plays alittle football. Those that's the only other film that has any sports in itwhatsoever. So boxing plus forest come so for me, Hollywood it' still berocking yeah, that's a that's a great one. So what is your biggest pet peeveSteve, my biggest pet peve? The fighters are social, specialtheye's, so incredibly special they fight to get hit. They don't know whythey get hit and they still fight the trainers so incredibly innect at beingable to teach the figter not to get hit. That's troe critical things number one.It protects the fighter number one, but if fighter knew he wasn't Vin to get itget hit. The fight had more confidence to throw his own punches and stayingback. He begin there coming in that's what the crowd wants to see. That'swhat the public wants to see. That's why every mo every movie in the in thetheaters is science fiction or forhoror or monsters is, could be very rar toget a titanic number one anymore or the terms of endurement number one anymore,young people. You want to see action, so my pet t would be that the trainersit's on Youtube Mike Tyson, slipping waving, slipping weaving, Armstrong,slipping. They don't do that at all, because it doesn't do anything for thefighter to make am more aggressive and that aggression, you know fighting,would make them more entertaining at be better for your young audience and makethe fighter more money right. Okay, Steve Tommy, Morrison and Iyou've had some experience with Tommy Morison Radam Ondo hundred as a fighter,and then one hundred is potential that maybe he didn't live up to Tommy. You know it's interesting thatthere's very few white heavy wints anymore, you know Tommy was a very exciting fightr. Hewas white. He was great grand nephew of John Wayne, but most of all he came up Punche and that's what a crowd wants tosee. They've been great fighters, but no one will ever want to watch theirfights again. I don't want to mention names, but their guys. Wove had twentytitle defenses, but no one 'll ever watch the fights again because they won,but they were born mar when HEU walked in the ring. It's like honey I'll, be in a few minutes. Wait if yo,that's like the Tison type fights you know, Honeyi'll be in. That's the typeof fighter that attracts the Oudieng so for Tommy Morrison. He was that type offighter. He was getting better and better. He was starting to learn andhe'd learned quite well the slipping the weaving, but he started to go offon his own a bit and what he, after the George Forman fight where you want. Hetook a very bad fight against the fighter by name of Michael Bent and while the fight wasn't something thatthe manager boocate wanted, Tommy decided to take it and it was knockedout and that became began, a slow decline in his career. It's veryimportant for a fighter football team to listen to the coach, so the coachcan relate to the quarterback. They don't have the coach there for nothing.The coach Hes seen a billion plays and has a computer in his brain. Okay andthat's what you want is a manager O bontion. You want to manage you as acomputer as a brain ands could do what's best for the fighter. If youdon't have that you're goitg to error- and if you error in football, if you'Rin football, you could maybe make it up with another touchdown in some wayshape or form, but in boxing you make an error. The ball game is over rightAngol. So if you we're boxing, commissioner, if you ranall of boxing and you could change one rule, what would that rule change me? They do a pretty good job it, the rules.What the what should be done is to try toattract an audience. That's the most critical thing. You know, I don't know about allthemedical testing. I'm sure that's good! You know, of course the blood would bethe most important thing right or these other tests. I don't know I don't know.I don't know if the public outside of a few boxing official Nados, whether thehuge amount of test would be of consequence. The public wants to seeboxing. You know, I don't know how many tests basebook football basketballplayers go onder. I just don't know,...

...but in boxing the commissions everycommission is different. What they should do is make it more exciting forthe public. The Boxing Commission shout permit winner take all in boxingbecause then, when the announcer, both figters have to agree and announce this-and this is a winner- take all matt that would get more people watching,because even for a moment they say wait a second. This is when to take all Iwant to see what happens here and the other is bonuses for noctets. That's somethingthat I don't even think the commission has to approve, but it would besomething excitement where f a fighter the wins by a knockout. They get abonus. I think more people would watch so with commissions. It would besomething not really technical, but the money part. No that's true, and I think too is. IfI was commissioner, I would say kind of what you're talking about likeMFA. It's little shorter. I know boxing three minute rounds, ND and you can goup to twelve rouns fifteen for the heavy weight really knockdown dragouts. But, like you saidthat that young group, how are they going to want to watch that for fifteenrounds? There, their attention span is so quick and for me, I think I would really loveto be able to. You know see those rounds quicker. Givemore incentives, like you said, for a knockout. You know, because if yougiven incentive for a knockout you're going to have more punches you're goingto have guys like Tyson coming in and trying tolay those things down, I mean that's what people want to see. Yes, you knowthat's to be some incentive. You know the fighters theyre brave, they're,courageous if they were a little bit more entertaining right. That's whatyou know by the way. In Hollywood, there are some actors that are when theAcademy Award just pectacular actors, Gary Oldman and Kevin spaces, but theydon't take get the type of money that the rock makes right. Kevin Heart makesand those guys will never win Academy Awards right to do with entertainingthe public. Boxing is very it's a sport, but it's more critical tobe entertaining okay. It especially now because the audience of MMA is pullingaway from boxing the facebook football basketball very exciting pulls thatyoung contengentaway. So boxing needs everything it can get to be moreexciting and that has to do with the trainers instilling in the fighter anaggressive attitude. Its could be very rare that a fighter becomes a supersuperstar running around the Rin and boxing and moving that rang aanymore.It got it has to be the six foot nine and to ninety or a kid who comes outthere, winging jops right so Dav to more godhave OAC yeah. I know it was abatter issue. My apologies okay, now kind of along this la it. As far as ring entrances go likewho was the great who's of super entertaining great flamboyant, butstill a great box or with a great ring entrance. It's a very small world where theentrance of a fighter is so unique that someonewl remember it after the fighttook place using my ive seen more fight films or as seem as many as anybody,and I'm trying to remember anything in the past. That was of any consequence.It wasn't Jack, Dempsey, wasn'N, Jack Johnson. It wasn't Breay Romison, theygot in there wou there is once every generation. Someone is somethingunusual and in the last twenty five years that was a fighter from England,his name was Prince Nesime Hamet and when he went into the ring, he'd walkup to the ringside. He stand on the Ring Apron. He pulled his hands on the ropes and doa back flip into the rink. That was halfass and he could fight. And now Idon't know if any of the fighter wants to try that I personally I can imagine, I can imagine, having gone to KatonJacobs back in eighty seven was Mike, was heavywith, Cham and saying to themhey. I got a great idea what's that, if Mike an do a flip into the ring with I'm sorry, what was that again yeahlike if he does a flip it'll be more exciting, you know steep go downstairs. Have a glass ofwader will be down in a second okay, yeah they're, going to give you thatlook out for noshine okay, but for, if I'm, the manager of the heavyweychampion the world, I m Wang to take every precaution to make sure he getsin the ring safely and do something doesn't have to stand out Mike Happento do it with just the appearance, other fighters that weare the robethere's nothing special about them now, they're wearing all these crazy outfits.I don't know whether in ten years,...

...people remember that, but the entrance not seem amid the flip.I like it like it all right last one. I got one: That's not boxing related. Whois your favorite group if you had to put on your headphones headphone tolisten to music? What group are you going to when you taking your walk inVegas? Well, that's pretty easy, because I grew up in the S ut, it's noteasy, but it would be led Jepplin. You know classic IDN Yeah, and theinteresting thing is that the groups from back then the s every acid rockgroup of the MTV did the history of Rockand roll back. I in the S, and theyinterviewed all these acid rockers from the s and S, and these guys came on you,wouldn't let these guys shine your shoes, let aloneeerything okay, thenthey started talking about the how they got involved in music, the history thatthey knew the chords from from this musician. F, One thousand nine hundredand twenty three and I said Holy Macrel. You know mind you Mike Tyson yea. They were just brilliant. They werejust grilliang today. I don't know if any of these young singers playm play instruments, I don't know ifany of them the ones. I see it in I'm not a rap RMB type guy, but you know I don't see them playinginstruments, the guys in the s every one of them Zeppelin the WHOJeffrotel Iron Butterfly, evereer, everything they played instruments.They were brilliant. You Know Bohemium Rhapsody, Oh yeah, you know themusicians behind the scenes incredible so, but it would be less zeppenstairway to heaven is always rated. The number one say your favorite BlodZepplin Song, yeah, and you know the Kennedy Center Honors Honored led ZepinBayeah. So and if you go on Youtube to watch it, these two women from a group call heart,yeah, N, ancy Wilson did the song. I watch that O unbelievable yeah so belet's epen yeah. We just heard that Kelling. I just had that on a 's, it'sa great redition of it. Oh Scou kill it. It is really good. Well Steve. Thankyou so much for joining Dave and I in the huddle today it was a pleasureavenue on. Hopefully when we air the episode that you'll like it and shareand put it out on your youtube channel so that we get more fans liking us likethey like you right now, so really appreciate. You have coming onand Shang sharing you story with thethank you so much assusace Ani,always sendi te Geniceroma, because Youre, not ave te singl, you know. Well,I mean in my my nab well take that long. We don't have tocut it anymore. We have revere pro now, so we can edit. I lot batter. Okay,thank you. So much all right, Tan Take Care D Yehey. We want to thank you forjoined up today on Howto up with gusts, where we talk to a wide range of guestsabout how support shape for life. As always, I'm joined by my Great Friendand Koo Dat Hager, and we want you to be able to follow us on all of oursocial media as Howo up with Gus, and we really appreciate you and thank youfor your time and listening to our codcest.

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