Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

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Ricky Williams

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

My teammate joins this week in the Huddle. Ricky Williams is a gentle soul that was misunderstood by many for years in the NFL. After winning the Heisman and every other award while at the University of Texas, the expectations placed on him were unrealistic for many, but not Ricky. He expected to be great, and talking with him about his journey was incredible. 

Growing up in San Diego, he became a star on the diamond and the football field. He was drafted by the Phillies and played in their farm system while in college. Although he has a deep love for baseball, he excelled on the football field. While at Texas, he was a two-time All-American and won the Heisman trophy. He loved Texas because he said it felt like a family. Ricky was drafted by New Orleans, who traded all their draft picks that year to move up and get him. New Orleans is the only team in NFL history to draft one player in an NFL draft. 

This is why expectations were so high. He lasted 3 years in New Orleans before being traded to Miami. While in Miami, his life's calling was just beginning. He retired, played in the CFL for Toronto, and then played for the Dolphins again. He finished his 11-year career with the Baltimore Ravens. 

Ricky was still finding out who he was. He started coaching and became an ESPN analyst for the Longhorn Network. He was in a few reality shows, Celebrity Apprentice and Celebrity Big Brother. Ricky followed his heart to alternative medicine and healing through all of this. He is now an astrologer, owns a wellness company called Real Wellness, and created a new app to use astrology to match people using their astrological signs. He also has his own podcast called Curious Questions, where he interviews his guests about their lives and interest using their astrological signs. 

Follow Ricky @williams on Instagram and @rickthelaureate on Twitter.

His store: https://realwellnessherbal.com

His Website: https://rickywilliams.life

Thank you, Ricky!!!!!

...welcome to what surely will be a doozy of a matchup. Brian. Here, sports fans. Whether your game is on the gridiron, at the diamond or on the links, we can only say, Yeah, welcome to this week's huddle up with gusts. 15 year NFL quarterback Gus parents' passion for sports has taken him on the field and behind the benches play for seven NFL franchises with 114 TVs under his belt. Gus knows who the players are and how the games are. One. Uh, it's not every day you get to hang out with an NFL quarterback up. Okay, sports fans from the decked out and plush 16 31 digital studios. It's kick off time, so snap your chin straps on and get ready to huddle up with gusts. But again to the left. Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of Huddle Up with us. I'm your host guest parrot, and I'm joined today by a very special guest. But before we get to my guests, I want to introduce you to my new studio. This is not it, but 16 31. Digital news is bringing my new studio to you, and I'm very happy to be a part of of of their company and what they're trying to do to bring news through the Internet. And so they're really starting up, and they're out of D. C. My very first home. So I'm really excited, uh, to be a part of 16 31 digital news. And I'd also like to thank our new platform, Sounder FM. Sounder is is just doing a great job. And they're bringing great new technologies to podcasting. Uh, today, my guest is someone I played with before. Uh, you can see him on here, but, man, what a career he's had the ups and down the emotions. Uh, you know, Ricky, when I when we played together in 2005, I was kind of a joke structure in the locker room. You were kind of the guy would go on the other side of the workout room, You do your yoga. You were very quiet. So I'm so excited for this interview. My man Ricky was a Heisman winner. He was a first round draft pick. You name it. He's and talked about. He's won an Espy before he's done it all. And he's just an incredible human. And Ricky, thank you so much for joining me on. Huddle up with Gus? Yeah. I mean, you know, I think about that 2000 and five season often. You know, I think it's kind of forgotten by a lot of people, but, you know, for me, it was a year off after, uh, you know, walking away from football. And then that was my re entry. And, you know, Nick Saban was our head coach. And so it was There was a lot going on. I think people don't realize, you know, how good of a team we had. You know, we ended the we ended the season, went in six straight, beating a playoff bound charges in the playoff bound Patriots. Yeah, you know that season for me? You know, I obviously was a journeyman. I played for seven different teams, but that season for me, I I absolutely loved it. I worked my tail off to be the starter. Um, I probably was the lightest I've ever been playing in the NFL. Just because, you know, there wasn't a day we went out in Miami. You didn't sweat your butt off and, you know, and we did have a good team, you know, we had junior sale, and that defense we had was incredible. And, um, you know, I tell a lot of stories about Nick Saban because he and I didn't get along so well, We we butted heads. You know, that's not the only thing I've ever but in my head against. But Nick Saban, I butted heads. And so, you know, I just feel like I wish I could have had another year with that team because I just felt like we were just so close to being really good. Yeah. I mean, especially on offense, you know, towards the later part of that season with me and Ronnie and you and Chris, we just we just Randy we just got We got the rhythm and it was fun. It was It was It was a really good team, you know? Um, but let's get back to what my show is about. Really? It's about how sports shaped your life, you know, because your life has been comprised of so many different areas. You I mean, from an astrologer to, you know, massage therapy to now creating your company real wellness and doing all these things you do. You have your own podcast. But you know, first and foremost, you know, you were a football player. So take me back to when you were kids. We don't need to go in all the crazy specific, because I know your childhood is different than most. But tell me about that first time you remember where you fell in love with sports. Uh, you know, it was it was kindergarten. I remember I was kindergarten, and I had a teacher. Um, Miss Schwartz, Uh, and she said that, you know, every morning we're going to take two laps around the field. And I remember the first day I was thinking, I don't really want to do this, you know? But after two days, you know, I started thinking, you know, I wonder what it would feel like to be the first one to finish the two laps. And so I decided that day I was going to run as fast as I could and try to be the 1st 12 finish, and I you know, I almost...

...lapped most of the people. And so, you know, I just had this exhilaration of wow This is something that I'm good at and it feels wonderful to run. And every day, every morning we build those two laps and I'd, you know, be the first one around. And that's when I really realized that that I love to move my body and I love to compete, and I love to move fast. Um, and then from there, um, I started getting into baseball and growing up in San Diego as a big Padres fan. Big Tony Gwynn fan. So imagine me at seven years old sitting in my bedroom listening to the Padres on the radio. You know, I was I was in it. And so I started playing baseball, and I, um, didn't start playing organized football until until middle school for a couple of reasons. Uh, one. My mom really couldn't afford it to that point. Up until that point and two, I was claustrophobic, so I was always afraid of being trapped underneath underneath people's bodies, and so that really inhibited me from from playing football organized football. But I played in the yard and, you know, I was one of the fastest kids, and you know that my nickname was Tim Brown at the time Because, you know, when you're playing in the playground, everybody's a receiver. And so, uh, yeah. So, yeah. Quarterback or a quarterback? Yeah. Yeah, but so I was kind of known as that. The jock, the athlete growing up. And it was interesting. Interesting. The kind of fact is, um, in California, there's something called like magnet schools. And these are schools that specialize in certain areas, science or drama. The elementary school that I went to, um was a magnet for athletics. And so from the time I was in first grade, until sixth grade, we had at least an hour a day physical education, like real physical education. And so it was literally I was I was trained to be a professional athlete. And so, from a very early age, so much of the way I look at the world is through us through sports and competing. Yeah. So I imagine you were a lot like me because, you know, when the recess bell rang and we had that 45 minutes to to go outside and play whatever it was right, sometimes you just pick up football. It was well, football. It was kickball, you name it. I came in so sweaty for the second half of school that I absolutely hated sitting there. It wasn't because I hated school. It's just because I was drenched. And that's how it always was for me. So I can imagine. Like, when you went out for that hour long physical education, nobody took a shower. You just came in and went to class. That was the worst part for me. I hated that. Yeah, it was true. It was true. I mean, I mean to the point where the reason I went to school was to get sweaty at at lunch at recess. There'd be right now, I agree. So So tell me about you know, because I know that, like you had some, uh, things happen in your early childhood. So tell me about how sports really helped you get through some of the toughest times in your life, you know? So, uh, you know, I think as kids, you know, we talk about kids, adults, we talk about kids, and we talk about kids going through difficult times. But I think as kids, we don't know that these times are difficult, you know? we don't we don't. Our minds are developed enough to compare our experiences to other people until they're much older. So as a kid, you know, it was it was more part of the mythos, you know, is I was an athletic kid, and part of athletics is competing. And so part of competing, especially in football, is you get cut, you get nicked up, you get back up and you do it again. And there's almost like pride. You know, it's like if something bad would happen. I wanted a scar. You know, I wanted to scar to prove to prove that I survived this and I'm still here. And so I think, sport, I think that's that was my I think I was born with that mentality and so going through those difficulties, my attitude from Jump was These are going to make me stronger, and these are going to help me to be successful in life, and I think that's what that attitude is. What allowed me to be a successful football players, you know, the ups and downs, or whatever my attitude, regardless of what happened, my attitude was, I'm taking this good thing. This success or this failure, and I'm using it to get better. Yeah, so then you get You said you didn't play later on in football, but you always played baseball. Sound like that was the same with me. Like youth. Football for me was tough because it was awkward. I was growing up. I was always getting knocked on my tail. I wasn't a fast guy. They put me on the line the first time I ever played. I was like, I hate this. I'm not getting my tail knocked around. But I loved baseball, right? I go out and pitch and hit and do everything like that. Um, and then so for me, when I had to make that decision going to college, um, you know, baseball and football work is equal to me and reading about you, you know, which I never really got to do before to understand you more. I wish I...

...would have when we were playing together. Um, but I have little kids in my mind was crazy, but was that the same for you? Because I loved both of them so much. Yeah. So, like I said, baseball was my first love. Uh, and and I decided as a kid, you know, when I was seven, you know, listening to the Padres that I was going to be a professional baseball player. My mind was set, and as I got older, yeah, I was good at football and it was fun and, you know, it was rough. So it was a good outlet until I played football and I was 12. I was watching Notre Dame football and on NBC, and I was like, There's something about the tradition of college football that I I need to have that experience. And so at that time, I told myself, You know, I'm going to play college football and be a professional baseball player. And so I was fortunate enough to get recruited by pretty much every college in the country. And I was recruited. Um, by most baseball teams end up being drafted in the eighth round by the Phillies, and when I told all the baseball teams is I'll play baseball in the summers. But I'm playing college football and I told all the football teams I'm playing college football, but I'm playing baseball in the summers, and so they both knew and I was able to carry that, um, that dream or fantasy, Probably that there is a better word. Um, until until pretty much the combine and I was at the combine and and most of the NFL teams told me, You know, you have to you have to pick between baseball or football and the truth is, uh, I spent much more time, and I was naturally more ahead than football and baseball. I was a little bit more behind, and so, uh, I made the decision to stick with football. And you were an outfitter in baseball. Correct. That's part That's part of the issue is my whole life. I played third base, a little bit of shortstop, but when I was drafted, they saw that I could run and they put me in the outfield, but naturally, at their basement. Hey, that's what I played to the hot corner. Um, you know, they wanted me to pitch right. It was a quarterback, obviously. Strong arm. I absolutely hated pitching. Mm, like I just didn't have the mentality to do it right. I could stand in there and swing the bat hit curves. I loved all that, and they always wanted me to pitch because it was 64 right? And, you know, I just didn't like it. I don't know. It's because of my dad. Maybe because he was always yelling at me through the fence, but throw strikes? Uh, a lot of, but there's a lot of pressure and quarterback, I mean, well, and when I was a little kid, Ricky played in Little League. My dad said This is what he taught me. Throw the first one at their head and then they'll move back from the plate and throw the next one over the plate. And I'm like, Okay, so I remember we were playing a little link and we're playing the ter Pack twins. They were on the other team, and these are these two little stocky dudes. They always hit home runs. I hit both of them in the head because they were one right after the other. My dad's clapping, You know, I'm like, Okay, yeah, this is No, that doesn't fit my personality at all to do that. So So pitching wasn't and for some reason that I was wild all the time, so but baseball was absolutely loved, and then football for me, it was something that I really didn't want to do. Because in ninth grade I broke my neck, and then I had to come back and and and play. So I had all these crazy things going on as a kid and imagine you you were so good at both of them. You're getting recruited. You told us that story. So why Texas? Why was that ultimate place for you? Texas. Yeah. So, um, you know, I had again this idea of playing college football, and it started at a young age. And so I had I had ideas about what I wanted my college football experience to be like, you know, I knew I wanted to start as a freshman. I wanted to go to a big program, but a program that had a rich tradition but had, you know, had a couple of down years and was ready to kind of make that next step. You know, I really wanted to be part of the missing piece to help to help rebuild the program. Uh, obviously, I wanted to get an education, and I think most important is it needed to feel like family. And so I took my first recruiting trip to Berkeley. Um uh, and I canceled my second trip. I was supposed to go to Stanford, and when I started the recruiting process, my my senior year, Bill Walsh was the head coach at Stanford, and during the recruiting process after the football season, he retired and Bill Walsh would have stayed at Stanford. I would have. I would have gone there to follow in the fullback tradition at Stanford, but he left, and so it kind of opened my My choice is back up. And so Notre Dame was on my list and the University of Colorado and USC. Um, so I took my recruiting trip to USC on a Friday Saturday. I flew home, and then I took my recruiting trip to Texas on Sunday. Monday. So I got to compare my top one...

...and two back to back. And what do U. S. C. And you know, Coach Robinson? I had a great relationship with him, and so that was you know, that was a positive. Um, I had a great relationship with the running back Coach Charlie White, Heisman Trophy winner. You know, another check? Um, big program, right they had a couple of down years, they were on their way back up. You know, the big question mark was what I'd be able to start as a freshman. You know, Coach Robinson was saying, You know, you can start as a fullback, but at the time, USC didn't really useful back to run the ball or even catch the ball lunch. So I was kind of like, um and then there was, like, five different halfbacks that we're all buying for the position. So I wasn't quite sure and hanging out with the guys on the team. One of the guys, Rodney Sermon, said, You know, he said, Dude, don't come here. We got too many running backs Don't come here. And so I was like, All right, that's a minus. Okay, go home, Unpack. Repack. Fight to Austin, Texas. And so, coming from Southern California, I've never, never been outside of California, Really? And so I didn't know what to expect. Flying into Texas, I thought, you know, I find that the tarmac and there'll be tumbleweed rolling across the right. But this was before Austin was Austin. Okay? Yeah. So I, um I land in Austin and I'm like it was December 17th. Okay, Land in Austin. It was 72 degrees and it was beautiful, right? And so I was like, Wow, just a really cool city, Really cool vibe. Uh, really. Like Coach Mackovic, we got along really well when he said I could start as a full back. I could see in his offense at the fullback, carries the ball. And, you know, we had conversations where I believe them. Me and the running back coach Bucky Godbold, still one of my best friends to this to this day. And there was a There was a situation on the when I was hanging out with the guys that really kind of sealed the deal for me, right? Hanging out in the dorm room with a lot of the players. And it was impressed that, you know, they were letting each other borrow each other's cars, and it just felt like family, you know, and I felt really good to me. And then later that night, we went out and one of our receivers, Lovell, Pinky, uh, and and one of the running backs kind of got into an argument, and they kind of got to throw in pants, you know? And the man, like, tagged him a couple of times. And I was like, Whoa, and, you know, within 30 minutes we're all back in the dorm room laughing, you know, and the fact that something can get that intense and it can be squashed. And we can be together laughing again. To me, that really epitomized what I was looking for as far as the family feel. And so Texas really, you know, checked off all my boxes. And so it was It was pretty easy, easy decision to make. Well, I would say it was the right decision that you make, obviously, for the career you had at Texas and everything that that I mean, it feels like you felt very yourself at Texas. Is that true? Because, I mean, the things that you did there while you played at Texas were incredible. I mean, they're up in the top of college football history, and I mean the things that you've done there, and to me it was like they let you be You Yeah. I'm not mistaken. Oh, yeah. You know, there's something about that. I think the difference one of the main difference is the way I think about it between college and the NFL is in college. You come in as an 18 year old, you know, and usually in the recruiting process, you develop like a real, like relationship with the coaches. And so you come in as a kid, you know, and and it's like you grow up in college. And so I think you're You're seen as a kid, right? Allowed to be a human being. And I think once you make that jump to the NFL now you know you become something different and there's a different set of expectations. And so I perfectly at home, you know, everyone understood who I was, and it was, Yeah, it was much easier to be myself at Texas. Well, that's the thing that struck me after trying to kind of do some research on you and find out like, because the thing that was never clear to me was like, You go to the NFL right? And then it felt like there was all this pressure that was put on you because of like all of a sudden I'm drafted number one right, And then there's There's all these things that have happened to you and you get an injury and and then all of a sudden there's media and there's press and there's different pressures. And and I know with some of your anxieties, Um, that probably was a little tougher for you, right? That had had to feel because I just didn't see like I wanted you to be Ricky. I watched in college. You know what I'm saying? Well, it's not. I mean, it's funny. And when I talked to most people that most people say pressure, but I don't think it was pressure because I put way more pressure on myself than anyone. Uh, it's not pressure its expectations, and it's not even expectations of how to perform on the football field. It's more of expectations, how I'm supposed to be as a person. And I think for me, you know, I just mentioned in my story about why I chose Texas is it felt like family,...

...and the definition of family for me is you get to be yourself. You know, your family doesn't expect you to be something other than you are. If anything, your family smacks you in the head and reminds you who you are, you know? And so, you know, and I think I was naive in thinking that when I got to the NFL that it would feel like it would feel like family. And so it wasn't, You know, it was my naive in expecting this to feel a certain way. But it wasn't the pressure of playing football. It was the expectations of me to be something that really had nothing to do with who I was. Yeah, because you come into, like, you come into a locker room in the college. You're 18. Those guys are 22. There is a big difference, but they're never gonna be usually older than 22. Right? But you go to the NFL and you come in that locker room as a 22 year old. There could be 35 year olds with seven kids, right? That and there's such a wide range because I lived at all. I came in as that young kid, and then I went out as that old guy with all the kids, right? It is right. And for me, how I always tried to make it like a family every locker room I went to was, I love to play pranks and do those things to get people to laugh. And I think when you laugh, But that's what families love to do, right? The locker room was our family all the time, so I understand what you're saying that that you came in and you were probably not embraced like you should have been like a family. Yeah, yeah, you know, I think that's what when there's all these expectations, like the pressure is there. But I think you don't make it to this level of pressure affects you in a negative way, you know? So it's it's not. It's not the pressure, I think. And you can speak to this. I think you've been around. It's really about finding a good fit, you know, and I think that the advantage we have when we go from high school to college is we have more say and what's a good fit, you know, but and when you go on the NFL, you don't have that much of a say of finding a good fit. Well, you find a good fit, and then there's people that are coaches or general managers or somebody else that take it away from you. That's kind of what always happened to me is like I felt a good fit and then somebody would come up. You know, General Manager Mike, like in in Detroit, I was the offensive player of the year. We had a great year and made the playoffs. That year is the year of the Barry Sanders didn't come back and play. So I'm like, Okay, we did a great job like, Okay, I'm gonna get rewarded here. I would end up playing 10 games and they said, No, we don't. We think you have too much fun and I'm like, What does that mean? And they said, Well, you, you need to be more serious and I said, Well, when I cross the white lines, I'm serious. But when I'm in the locker room with, the guys were having a good time and and that's what makes us a family and you know, the coaches I had there didn't see it that way, so I had a fit that fit me and the guys. But there were other people that didn't see it that way, so that's what I think you're talking about when you talk about the NFL is that sometimes it's not always up to you. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Um, and you said it, you know, because when I when I say a good fit, it's all of these things, you know? Does the Does the offensive coordinator system fit your style of play? You know, Does the head coach believe in you? You know, there's the There's the running back coach and the offensive line coach. Do they get along? You know, there's there's all these, there's all of these little things, you know? I think that creates winning football, and it really to sum it up, I felt like the word fit really, really works. Yeah, I know that. That's that's so true. And then, um, I've been in those situations where you don't fit at all. And I'm sure you felt like that to, you know, and Baltimore. Yeah, right. Yeah. I'm sure that people look at you. You've been through your whole life and they diagnosed you off of what they read in the papers, or they've heard from somebody else instead of really getting to know you. And that's happened to me. right. So for me, I've had to live with the whole head butt thing my whole career, right? I had to go through my whole career and people saying, Well, we can't trust them because of that, right? And I've had the talk coaches out of that right? And I know you've had other situations that may not have been ahead, but it may have been, you know, other issues that you've had, but they don't see through that stuff. And then sometimes they're so superficial. They're not really looking at the athlete or just the player and and who I am as a person. They just see all this ancillary stuff that doesn't really affect how I'm playing on the field. Yeah, it's true. I mean, when I when I had similar, it happens a lot with coaches, you know? So I was drafted by famously drafted by coach Ditka, and he was fired at the end of 1999 at the at the end of the first season and coach Jim has. It was hired, and I remember the first meeting I had with Coach Haslett. The first meeting, you know, with the first round pick and I'm sure he was pissed because he didn't have a first round pick because we created a way for me. But anyways, so, um, he said to me, and he's like, I've heard I've heard about you, you know, heard that you're a troublemaker and your this and your this and your this. And I was like, she, you know, like you didn't even give me...

...a shot, you know? And so there's definitely an uphill battle and finally ended with me being traded to Miami, Um, which, you know, turned out all right for me. But, you know, it's nice when you don't have a fit to be able to move on. You know, I think the worst thing is when there's not a fit and it's forced. So how did you fit? You know, we talk about the NFL being a lot like a family, and you've played for a lot of years in the NFL. You played in Canadian Football League as well. Um, So how did you fit? Because I know you had some, you know, like, I really tried not. I tried to leave you alone because I understood that we're all different. But how did you wanna? Did you ever have that? Kind of I want to go make friends with some of these guys in the locker room or not, Just you know what I mean? Because we're together every day, right? We're just you know what I mean? Sometimes it's hard. I want to get to know people I wanna and play pranks. Like I never wanted to play a prank on you because I didn't know you. Right. But ultimately, deep down inside, you were the one I always wanted to play a prank on because I wanted to make you laugh and smile. Right? And I didn't know. You can only do people I know that can take it. So I didn't know you as well. So tell me a little bit about that. Going through your career. Yeah, I guess I'm the silent, scary type. You know, the type that go poster, like type that goes so scary. I get it. I get it. Um, you know, you should have You should have played a prank on me. I would I would have laughed. I would have laughed. You know, I was just really focused, you know, I was just really focused, you know, for me, football, football with something. And I guess I was burned early, trying to look for a family and football and realizing maybe that's not the place to find it. And so I looked for family, other places and for me. I I love the feeling of going to battle with with my with my teammates, and I love a group of people coming together to try to accomplish a specific goal. And I love people coming together, working to improve and get better. I loved all of those things about about being together with this football players, but I just found a lot of the things that I was interested in. A lot of the things that I was into. Uh, there weren't a lot of other guys in the locker room that were into the same things, and so it felt like to hang out off of the field. You know, it just found so awkward for me because if I wasn't doing that, I'd rather be doing I'd rather be doing something else. I'd rather be at home, you know, reading an astrology book or I'd rather be at home meditating So it just you know, football had a place and and But I learned, especially when when I met you. After retiring from football and traveling around the world and really understanding myself on a deeper level, I just had more interest. And so football was great. But as soon as I was off the football field, I wanted to be doing the building, the other the other parts of my life. Yeah, I know that that is so important to find out who you are and then build your life around that because otherwise you can really go down a rabbit hole because for me, after I retired in oh, eight, I think, you know, you transition out of football and you're like, Man, I've done this for 25 years straight. Now what the heck am I gonna do? I went into coaching, but it wasn't there wasn't any satisfaction. Now I'm trying to be in business and entrepreneurship, like trying to do different things to find out who I really am. So a lot of that has been tough on me. And thank God I have my wife and to support me because I don't know if I'd make it through because she is a lot like you. And I say that in a great way. Because she has been finding herself over these years. She went back and got her master. She's a social worker. She's a nurse. She does tarot cards. We do readings. We do all this stuff. Like when I read about you, I was like, Oh, my God, honey, this is you. Yeah, Ricky or yeah, Like like her favorite thing is, we go outside and we watched the moon like when it's a full moon, when it's a new moon, whatever it is like that's her. That's her thing. And we do. We do crazy rituals. So I'm like, That is Ricky. And I'm so happy that you found your who you were and all that. Yeah, I was lucky. I was lucky. The first time I retired, I got a chance to find myself. You know, I think a lot of people have to wait until they're a little bit older. But one of the reasons I retired because started doing the math and I was like, You know, if I keep doing this at this rate, first of all, I'm not sure if my body is going to be healthy enough to be able to do the things I want to do and to, you know, I'm going to be old. And so I realized I need to, like, live a little bit. And so I had that year away and again, like when I came back, I had a better sense of who I was. And so I started kind of building my my second my second career, you know, halfway through my first career. And so when I retired a second time from the Ravens, you know, it was it was me choosing to walk away because there was more interesting things that I wanted to do, and that was really my goal was to have an indefinite football career, not one that ends because nobody wants me anymore. Right, right. Well, mine ended...

...because of bad knees, but your first time you retired, you went to Toronto to That's a pretty good place to retire the first time, right? You go up to Toronto so it was kind of half retirement, you know, first of all, because it's just more chill playing up there and second I broke my arm, so I spent. I spent half the season just really just chilling, enjoying Toronto. And also I feel like my time in Toronto helped me rediscover my love for the game because it's just fun, you know, it really was just guys out there playing football. Um, and you know, I was able to come back and have another 1000 years season in the NFL and finished with over 10,000 yards, and so you know it's getting over that. Getting over that 10,000 yard mark for me was, you know, it was a big milestone kind of for me to justify, um, that that my career was a success, you know, to reach 10,000 yards. Considering all the ups and downs and the suspensions in the year off injuries and all that stuff, you don't have to justify anything to anyone. You had an incredible career. Well, of course I do. Of course I do have to justify it to myself. All this beating, the beating my body is taking. You know what, buddy? When when I when I have one of those days where my neck is hurting my back, is hurting I just go watch the highlights. And I'm like, Okay, yeah, yeah. I have those days to work an hour to get rolling out of bed instead of, like, getting jumping right up. And he goes to work early every morning. So I always get up and try to help her and, uh, you know, get ready because she leaves at, like, seven. And, you know, we're she just turned 50. I turned 50 in July. It's like, Man, we're up there now. I can, you know, 2000 and five seems so long ago, but it's crazy how it is now. You know, you you had incredible college career. You you had a, uh, incredible. I mean, rest for over 10,000. You have an amazing NFL career. Um, you know, you've done things that nobody else will ever be able to do. Now, after the NFL, tell me about your journey. You retire from the Ravens? What was that next step? What was that transition for you? That journey of what you what you kind of started to do. Yeah. So, um, you know, I've always been a person that's been motivated to improve, Whether it's improved as a football player or improve as a person. Uh, and so that year off, I really focus my life on how do I make myself a better person? Uh, and so when I retired from the Ravens, um, I just kept going in that direction, and I'm traveling around the world taking any kind of workshops or classes I could that would help me understand myself better. And doing that, I started to actually facilitate and teach and help other people do the same thing. Uh, and then I kind of hit across the world, and my mom kept bugging me and saying, You know, you promised me you get your degree. You promised me You get your degree and so I you know, I said, no, I'm going to coach, you know, try to stave her off. And so I coached coach for a year at a small college in San Antonio, and I loved it. I loved it. I loved it so much. And then it got me started starting to think that if I want to do this full time, I need to go back and get my degree. And so I enrolled back, uh, in Texas to finish my degree. I think I'd like 72 hours to go. So that took me a couple of years. And while I was doing that, I was doing some analysts work for ESPN in Longhorn Network. So I was keeping me kind of engaged in football and then on the side. I was still studying astrology and still, you know, working with people. Uh, And then after I got my degree, um, kind of was at another crossroads and I'm thinking, OK, am I going to go into coaching or am I going to pursue this alternative route? And I decided to pursue the alternative round. So I enrolled in a master's program in Chinese medicine, enrolled in a master's program in depth psychology, and I started to take my, uh, my astrological studies more seriously. Um, and and so that was 2017. And so over the past three, almost four years. That's really what I where I've been focusing. And it's become even more laser focused in the past couple of years as, um, the CEO of relationship app that uses astrology to help people understand themselves and understand other people and, uh, and like Yeah, I do readings, recessions with people. Um, and also, um, my podcast, which incorporates astrology. And I'm also launching a cannabis brand. So it's kind of like you said, I'm getting into on, you know, my tapping into my entrepreneurial spirit, but in a unique way, you know, bringing the different parts of myself. And And I was one of the things I learned in 2000 and five as I came back to the NFL, and I had these other parts of myself that I had learned about in that year off and trying to figure out. OK, how do I integrate these different pieces into me as a football player? And that was a...

...long, drawn out process. And I feel like just now, just now that they're all starting to come together. Yeah. Hey, everyone, I want to say thank you for joining us on how to cope with Gus. We are talking with, uh, the great Ricky Williams. And, uh, we're gonna take a quick commercial break. We'll be right back. Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of Hollow Up with Gus. I'm your host, former NFL quarterback Gus Frerotte, and welcome to the new 16 31 Digital news studio You know, some people say no news is good news. Well, I say to those people you've never read 16 31 digital news dot com Go to 16 31 digital news dot com To get your latest news, sports, music and entertainment and maybe even listen to your favorite podcast. How to up with gusts. Check it out today at www 16 31 digital news dot com. Hey, everyone, we're back. Welcome back to huddle up with Gus. I'm your host, Gus Frerotte. We're joined by one of my old teammates. I say old lightly. Ricky Williams. So, Ricky, you know, you just explain to us everything you're doing now. So let's break some of that down in your post NFL career because, you know, I just I just I'm so excited to talk to you because I just feel like I always wanted to have this conversation with you in 2000 and five, and we just never did you know, they're not like it was a bad thing or anything. It was just It was just I felt like maybe I didn't want to overstep my bounds, you know, So I'm so happy for for being able to have this conversation and your journey. Now, I'm hearing this because so many people struggle with this When they leave something they've done for a long time, it could be football. Baseball, hockey could be with a company forever. And you're trying to make a transition into something new. So tell us how important it was you to find. You know what you really wanted to do now? You you had a couple of choices between coaching and and doing the alternative stuff. And why was it the alternative stuff that really spoke to you? Um, you know, it's a really good question. Uh, you know, my I'm gonna ask. I'm an astrologer. So when I when I when I feel the questions like that, my mind goes into astrological answer. And so I have to do a little translating. So, um, so you know, this idea of, you know, and I think this is this is common thing for football players is when you're really good at something, you know, you had a conversation with my daughter, and she's, you know, she's in high school. She's a freshman in high school and she's picking up across and she's finding that she's really good at it, you know, Um and she's kind of torn because she doesn't necessarily love it, but she's really good at it, and she's realizing she's getting a lot of positive reinforcement and, you know, because of it. And so I realized that, you know, as a football coach as an analyst was getting really good because I know football. And as a coach I coached myself. So I was a really, really good coach and I It was rewarding for me. But it was kind of this feeling of I can keep doing this and it will be great and I'll be successful, right. But there's something there's something missing. You know, it's kind of that thing when you've done something over and over and over again. Yes, you're going to be good at it, but it doesn't doesn't lead to much growth, you know. And so I found that for me, growth and self development is the number one priority to me. So I took a path that would lead to more growth and development and and it has, you know, it's really helped me diversify my experiences in life. Um, you know, I think I spent I spent so much time being like the big, tough football player that I developed out of balance a little bit. So I've, you know, spend a lot of time trying to swing back to become more balanced and, you know, studying healing, right, that, you know, Like you said, massage therapy and Chinese medicine and astrology like these are things that typically, you know, scheme or feminine. And I found it. It's made me a more well balanced and happy person. And my my quality of my life is so much better. Yeah. No, I I agree. I mean, I do these things with my wife. It's not that, like, it wasn't my passion was hers. But we're in this thing together. So I enjoyed doing it with her like, uh, you know where you do the 12 card pools and it takes an hour. So I've done those a lot. Uh, but it's it's a lot of fun. We've done all kinds of crazy stuff. Um, I called crazy. She's, you know, just because it's not my thing, you know,...

...it's not really crazy, but I get it was get what you're saying. Um, the other thing I wanted to ask you, uh, the little kid who his name is he's not little, but he works kind of with me. He interns with me. Um, he wanted me to ask you about something. Uh, and so he wanted me to ask you about is a big brother, big brother? Yeah, the competition you were on. What was that like? Because you've done it all like you've been in. You've been on TV, you've been on the reality shows you played in front of people on football, you know, just just done it all. And so tell me about that experience, because I know you know, you have this thing of, uh, I'm sure, you know, in the NFL in the locker room, you had to be you wanted to go to kind of do your thing, right? But that's like they're on you all the time. Like the cameras on you all the time. What was that like for you? Yeah. So, like I said, you know, I know how I am. And I also know that people change, and so I'm always pushing myself. You know into doing things that are that are uncomfortable. So I was just funny. I was, was that was in New Orleans. I was at the at the Sugar Bowl, um, covering it for Longhorn Network. And I got an email from an old friend of mine who is a TV producer and, you know, and she said that you know, that celebrity big brother is doing another season and they want to talk to me. And at first I was like, what? Because I'd seen one episode of Big Brother and and I watched it for 15 minutes and literally What I remember is thinking to myself I would never do that. I could never do that in the scheme and I could never do. That was my thought. And so, of course I get this email and I'm like, This is crazy. And so I kind of, you know, shut it up. And then, um, my daughter has no idea this is going on, and she she text me and asked if I've ever seen Big Brother. And so whenever I noticed weird coincidences like that, I pay attention. And so, you know, I reopened the email and I reached back out and I said, Okay, I at least have a conversation. And so I met with one of the producers and we talked a little bit, and I just kind of explained to about my personality and how I was and I was quiet and kind of chill. But everyone likes me and, you know, I said, I don't know if that's gonna work well with the show and a couple weeks later, he called me up and said, You know, we want we want you to do the show until I said Sure and again, you know, completely, completely out of my comfort zone. And it's intense, you know? It's intense, like they like. They literally lock you away from friends, family devices, books, writing utensils like you don't get anything, you get a Bible. That's it. How long did it take? So the first they put you in sequester, You know, they put you up in a hotel and somewhere in in in the valley, and you, like, literally locked in your room for like, four days like nothing. You know, they leave the food out. So you're really like, shut off and you're funny. story. You were quarantined before there was quarantine. It was real. It was where I mean, I was I thought in my mind a couple of times I was on the second story. I'm hopping out of the window and run into a pay phone and calling my wife. I was going crazy in there, but, um, and and so again, out of my comfort zone. And then they put me in the house and I'm sitting there and, you know, I'm a you know, I don't mean anything against celebrities, but I don't really like celebrities that much, you know? And so I was in a house with celebrities, you know, some of them are really cool. And there's a couple of athletes. Lolo is cool. So So, you know, I get in the room with all women Tamar, Tamar, Lolo, Natalie and myself. And I felt comfortable, you know, for me, feeling like family. And so we we had, like, a little group, and I was fine. And but then when I realized about all these guys, okay, and it's and I just grew up around a lot of women, these guys were like, petrified of women. So anytime the women got emotional, all the guys would like. They, you know, they would go crazy like they couldn't handle it until my advantage was like, I just didn't get triggered by women getting emotional. I was used to it, and so the guys didn't know, And so I would go over to the guys and tell them, you know, talk to them about the girls and and act like I was giving them information. And they thought I was on their team. And then I would everything they told me. I'll just go back and tell the girls and the girls and the guys weren't talking because the guys were afraid of the girl. So it worked. And and the crazy part I know it probably is crazy, and people didn't watch the show. But Tom Green, Tom Green and I like we really, really butted heads, okay? And I call it the Jedi Mind trick. You know, my my highlight moment was Tom had finally gotten rid of me, you know, He you know, he finally got rid of me. He had the votes, I was gone, all right? And he even won the veto, so no one could save me. Okay. No one could save me. All he had to do, all they had to do was give the veto to someone else or just dropping. And he gave me the veto. He saved me. Um, and that was my like, I don't know how I did that, but I just Jedi mind trick and that that allowed me to get to the allowed me to get to...

...the semifinals. But it was just It was an amazing experience, because when you lock people in a group setting like that and the whole game is one person gets kicked out, it's primal, you know, like primal, instinctive emotions come up in people and it's real. And I think for me being, you know, playing football and being in that kind of primal environment a lot. I was I was right at home. Yeah, so I mean, that that sounds big, but you've done other shows as well, right? I did. Celebrity apprentice. Um, it was less than it was less intense, but it was still I learned so much, you know, and And the reason I did that show is because I knew I was going to get into business later, and I knew from coming from football. I really had very little experience. And so you know so much of what I learned from doing Celebrity Apprentice with Arnold Schwarzenegger, not Donald Trump. Well, I'm using it now, and my business is I'm using it and what I'm doing now. So it's it's been, um, it's been there's been a great experience doing doing reality TV. Yeah, the business side is very scary for me. I'm trying to do a few things now with business, and it's just like connecting the dots is easy, right with people. But doing the contracts, the agreements and doing all those things. It's very scary for me. So that's when I slow down like I feel like and you gotta have good people around you. And I try to really find those smart people around me to help me through those tough times because business is tough. If you know that's not something I ever for 25 years. I didn't ever worry about any of that. I was. I was a football player and I was a husband and a dad. That was that was all I did And sometimes I regret not going to school to further my education while I was still in football for all those years. But then again, we were moving the family from state to state because I played for seven teams. So, um so tell me about everything you're doing now. How do you coordinate it all right? Because, like you said, you mentioned so many different things. How are you coordinating at all? And how you How are you putting it in? I mean, obviously you probably got, like, six calendars going on, but how do you coordinate and I'm finding the time. So I'm a Gemini. And so that means I need to have a lot of things going on, you know, to keep to keep me occupied. I'm here to live multiple lifetimes and one, and so I I need to do it. And that's the great question is how do I organize it? And, you know, I have great people around me you talked about, You know, it's scary going into business. It is scary. I'm married. A married a corporate attorney. So Well, that's one way to get around it. She she she has my back and and, you know, my CEO at Leela. Our app. You know, he's like my main guy helps just have really good people around me where we we understand each other's strengths. What we do well. And we support each other. And, you know, my my motto is Put it on the calendar, you know, put it on the calendar. And if it's in the calendar, get up in the morning. Look at my calendar. This is what I'm doing, what I'm doing today and I go for it. I love it. So talk to me a little bit about your podcast. What is the curious questions? Curious questions? Yeah. So I was born July 31st. I'm a Leo, So I'm your your show. Have your chart right here. Uh, yeah, you know. So there's a There's a, uh there's an app called It's a website actually called Astro Databank. And they have, like, kind of random celebrities charts. And for some reason, someone got a hold of your birth time and in your chart, you know my birth time. Yeah, I know. You were born at 2:17 a.m. Nice. You know what my wife just did a reading with Larry with an eye out of Colorado, and he wanted to know her birth time, and we cannot find it anywhere. We don't even know how to get it. Because we ordered her long form birth certificate and it didn't have it on. And she was so upset. Really? What? What state? What state? Pennsylvania. I think it's called a book. Copy. We gotta get a book copy. And I think that's what it's called the book. Copy. Oh, my God. Should be so happy if I get that for Yeah. So just one thing I was interesting, like, interesting that. And if you were on the show, I would ask you about this because you've already shared about yourself. Like you're a Leo. Right? And one of the one of the Leo archetypes is the is the is the class clown. You know, the person that likes to have a good time, you know? And so this idea of coaches saying you're having too much fun, you're in your chart, you know, you have a configuration. I would say this is someone that has too much fun, you know, um, it's interesting, Leo, you know Leo and the third house. But what's most interesting about what you said is is, um, an astrology. The 10th house. It's what it represents is the top of the chart, so represents where the sun is at noon and symbolically represents our reputation. You know, our reputation and for better or for worse And the planet Mars. Okay, Planet...

Mars is in your tent house. Okay, Right on the right, on the cusp of the 10th house and you mentioned earlier, everywhere you went, you know, butting your head right followed you around. Mars is the planet of butting your head. You can't. You can't make this stuff up. Right. But another, another interpretation is you know that you are a competitor. Because the 10th House rules are career. So that you are a competitor for for a living, you know, And what you do in the world is, um, body, though this warrior energy, right? And, uh, and so And another synchronicity. Another thing that you mentioned is you talked about, you know, getting into business, scaring you a little bit, right? Mars is where we have to face our fears, right? And so, in order to develop courage we have to be humble enough to acknowledge where we are afraid. Um, so it's it's cool stuff. So I would ask you questions about facing fears in your career. I'd ask you about being an outcast. I would ask you about curiosity, you know, Gemini Rising. Um, I'd ask you about mentors. You know, the moon in the sixth, six houses, about where we have things to learn. I'll ask you about important mentors and coaches in your life. Yeah, no, that would be great. I would love to do that. I also love my wife to do it because, uh, I always feel like I learned so much from her, and then we do it together, and it helps me because, actually, deep down, I think I really do enjoy it. You know, we sage everything. I absolutely love all that, you know. And then, um should we do all she's done all the chakra stuff. Um, you know, she's going to classes for all that, and I just think that it helps her so much in her therapy and everything else she's doing. And, uh, you know, for me, it's it's like I want to I want to learn it. But I'm not like as passionate as she is. And so thank you for giving me that reading. I can't wait to show her because she is going to be so jealous. So I'll challenge that. Alright, So part of astrology is interesting. So this just philosophically I mean, I have to go, but I just want to get see if I can get this out philosophically. You know, when I look at a chart, the chart represents the person, right? So I'm looking at your chart right now, and this represents you, OK? And so it represents everything that shows up in your life. And so from an astrological perspective, if you are married to a woman who is very passionate about something, it's, you know, psychologically, we would say that's probably a lot of your passion, right? But since since you're the football player and she's the woman and she's more, it's more socially acceptable for her to be passionate about those things. Then you get that in your life through her, right? Right? Yeah. So you're you're trying to actually says that, you know, it says deep down that you love this stuff. I mean, I'm not making it up. You know, that would be a valid interpretation of deep down. I love this. I love doing rituals in the house. It's what? It's what the church says. Yeah. No, I love it. I love So, Ricky, before you go, I appreciate all your time. Yeah. I mean, thank you for giving me your time today and joining me on the show, but please let our audience know of everything that you're doing and how they can find you. And even about your company. Real wellness. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm an herbalist to something in my alternative healing not only cannabis, but really all herbs, um, are really quite amazing, in my opinion. Um, so, uh, r w, um rw dot life real wellness herbal dot com. Um, hey, leela dot com is the relationship app. It's coming out, and they're going to launch in the next month, so it's getting really close. And then at Williams on Instagram and Rick, the laureate on Twitter, Um yeah, and, uh, the Heisman h i g h s m a n dot com is my new cannabis line That coming out look soon, so yeah, check me out. We'll have to find out. Maybe we'll see the Heisman. When my nephew goes back to the Get his medical cannabis. Maybe we'll see a strain instead of Pineapple Express next time. Maybe he'll find some Heisman in their Heisman. O g. Yeah, I love it. I love it! All right, buddy. Hey, thank you for joining me. I really appreciate it. And maybe we can connect again sometime. I love my wife to talk to you because I think you guys are just, like would hit it off. Yeah, that'd be great, guys. Alright, Ricky, take care and thank you for joining me and huddle up with us. And that's a wrap sports fan. Thanks for joining in the fun at the 16 31 Digital Studios for another actually huddle up with Gus, featuring 15 year NFL quarterback Gus Ferrand Huddle up with Gus, is proudly produced by 16 31 digital media and is available on Apple music.

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