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Rick Barry


NBA Hall of Famer Rick Barry joins the huddle with Gus and Dave in this week's episode of Huddle Up with Gus! Listen to the guys as they talk with Barry about his time in the NBA and what he is doing during the COVID-19 quarantine. Also, find out an interesting fact about his wife and son that separates the tandem from the rest of the world, and hear Barry talk about one of his favorite retirement hobbies in fly fishing. Join Rick Barry, Gus Frerotte, and Dave Hager in the huddle by listening to this week's episode! See for privacy information.

Welcome everyone to huddle up with gusts, where we talked to our guests about how sports shape their life. I'm your host, gusts far at, fifteen year NFL quarterback, and I'm joined by my longtime friend and cohost, Dave Hagar. You can now find us under the big top with the sports circus and ring master, soal look for us on am TV, a a, MP tvcom A. Welcome everyone to another episode of huddle off with Gusts. I'm your host, gusts for a, fifteen year NFL quarterback, and I'm joined by my friend and longtime co host, Dave Hagar. Hey, gust and we're excited for today's episode. We got a great guest. You can listen to our show and our episodes on RADIOCOM or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast, and also under the big top with sal the ring master on the sports circus. So Dave. Today, I think our guests today is probably one of the most decorated, if that's the word we could say, guess, we've ever had most I don't know, just prolific people that we've had on the show and I'm really excited today's guests hall of Famer Rick Berry. Rick, unbelievable to have you on and be able to hear a little bit about your background in your story today. How are you doing? Hey, I'm doing great. Every day I get up is a great day. You'll appreciate that when you guys, get a little bit older. You know, people take every day for granted. When you get a little bit older, you actually appreciate every day because when you get up and you see this no dirt on top of you and means you're alive and join life as much as possible. So under these difficult circumstances, which I feel so sorry for so many people who's had such a negative impact on them. But, as they say the old Cliche, you got to play the cards that you're dealt and we've been dealt a lousy hands. So we need to play it and try to get through it as so if you know how to play cards, you had to play pinnockle. You don't always get good cards and pe knuckle, but you have to be able to play them and when you really get good at it you can actually do a good job with a lousy hand and pinnockle. So that's what we have to do now? Yeah, we've been dealt a lousy hand. So you just got out of playing pick a ball out of go. Well, I've actually went out with my son Canyon. You probably see that thing in the background over their little collage of him. He heats on the US a qualifying team for three on three for the Olympics and unfortunately, because of everything gone on, they postponed the qualifying tournament. Of course the Olympics have been postponed. So he hasn't had a chance to do much that. We try to found found the court and went out with the with the x three ball and to go out and get him a little shooting. It's crazy think about that is they play those things outside. And so he said it's such a disadvantage when you have a good team who were good shooters and you're playing it it's a windy day because you're outside shots are really impacted and the other team that might be a big bruising team that just goes inside all the time, actually winds up having an advantage because they don't have to worry about their ball going to ride because they can't shoot anyway. Yeah, right, did they recall that's that's how you grew up in New Jersey, right windy days and right in the playground. Yeah, playing with my hands frozen, shoveling off the court and the playground and the some winter time and sneak in a finally went found the way to sneak into the gym and we play by the lights and the street lights outside or from the moon. Yeah, we did everything we could to try to get out of the court and play. Are you singing in the Olympics? So it'll be outside? Yeah, three on three x three is played outdoors. They won. He was on the team that was that. He was on the team that won the World Cup. It's the only gold medal the USA had never won in basketball in the world and last year he was chosen to be one of the four guys to play in that team. He actually played exceptionally well, led the team of scoring for the seven games. They want undefeated one the gold medal over in Amsterdam. And then that team for whatever reason. I said totally figure that one out. You just won the world championships. You don't qualify an Olympics the next year. I mean at how does that work? And the qualified they want the World Cup to be able to hit the in the qualifying tournament to see if they can qualify for the Olympics when they have other teams that are going into the Olympics on a point system that are anywhere near as good. So it's just the kind of a screwy system, but it is what it is and he was fortunate enough to try out and got chosen again to be on the qualifying team and they were actually training down in Los Angeles. They were training when the word came out that they were going to postpone the qualifying tournament over an India was going to be played in India. So so now he's just kind of waiting around to see what's going to happen. Doesn't know one the new tournament's going to be taking place, but he's got to try to keep himself in shape, of course, as he was playing in the g league. So that season ended. So he really has had a chance to do much because all the gyms and every place and close down right now. So it's got of a weird situation for athletes. What's the format is it? Is it to fifteen, like three note three on three. It's three on three, first one to twenty one, or at the end of ten minutes of running time, except when the whistle blows. It's a very fast paced game. The third team misses a basket, scores, you take it out, you clear, you go. It's... and it's kind of fun and you should check it out online sometime. Go you go to fiba x three and you can see all guns of highlights, even from from the the world championship last year, the World Cup. But it's a very, very fast paced game. It's it's kind of fun to watch and he loves playing it because a lot of times when he plays now in teams he's not he doesn't have a two way deal in the g league, and so sometimes they'll be out there running down the court for five minutes and maybe not even see the ball. And three on three you're always going to see the ball. You're passing, you're moving, you're cutting. You really have to know how to play the game because it's the true essence of the way the game was designed to be played. One on one, two on two, three on three. And so he actually excels in it because my son's thank God, he takes after his mother, I guess, but he's got his master's in nuclear engineering. So my son really knows the game. That's pretty smart player heady. Yeah, well, you know that. That reminds me of growing up. I mean in the summers that's all we did, three on three basketball, you know, and you didn't have that many kids and that's how we played all the time. You have a lot of one on one matchups, but you got to play constantly and that just reminds me. Like you said, that's how basketball should be played. I mean there's a lot of fun. Yeah, it is, if it's played properly. I mean you need to be on selfish. You have to understand a lot of cutting, of that, you know, cut back cutting, setting your man up, and my son is really good at that. In fact, I remember less when he was in college. One of the announcer cities is Kendybury may be the best player in College Basketball Movement, without the basketball. He just does a great job of setting his man up and learning when the guy because you won't have to do when you play basketball. I'm sure it's probably similar stuff in football when you play Guss is that you don't have to see people think you got to beat a guy note you only have to get even with somebody. If you get the guy on your shoulder, you own him. He's done. Okay, you don't have to get past them. I just need to be even with him and in this case that you learn and you need to get the guy only to make a good move, and I when I was trying to teach kids how to do this. I just need to get the guy to make the slightest little motion, to lean just a little big and if I get him to lean just a little bit as his body weights going forward, I'm either go of the opposite way or two sideways or some way. By the time he recovers, I've got them. Yeah, no, I mean that's that way in football with receivers and anything. You're doing it. All you need is a slight advantage of it, slight advantage, and we usually say it's over. Well, you would pass in the ball. I mean if your receiver makes it cut, he can make a little cut to the inside and get that guy to lean that way. Known when his foot plants he's going right and that guy's going the other way. He's done that's respect with that defensive player. Yeah, there's no doubt you throw the ball right exactly well with me that that wasn't that often. So, Hey, hey, rick, go back, way back when when you were growing up, what's your first memory you have of fall in love with sports? Well, I had an older brother, Dennis, four years older, and so whenever he did anything, I wanted to do everything my brother did. So, fortunately for me and my brother got interested in basketball. My father was a semi pro player and coach and he coached the back then, which was schooled the grammar school. Now it's called elementary school, and so when my brother got interested at nine, I got interested at that when I was five years old. So when I was five I started to learn the game and my father was a strict fundamentalist and was the best thing that could have happened to me, because this is the biggest problem in sports today. That's not a just sports in anything. I mean whether you're going to learn to be a musician, whether you're going to learn to be a scientist, whatever it may be, you have to learn the basic fundamental principles and concepts of whatever that support or endeavor happens to be. That's the foundation that you set down that you can then build on. So in life you can't build a skyscraper with a small foundation, it's going to fall over when he gets to a certain height. So you have that huge foundation and then you understand the game and the fundamental principles and concepts and you're then blessed with God given natural talent and you have good coaching, you can now maximize the potential that you have and you really could become a great player. So my father laid that foundation and for me, I feel the one thing I did for my kids, I did the same thing to them. I laid that foundation for them and miracle of miracles, I mean, you know, they have five sons, every one of them to have gotten a division one college scholarship and all five of them to have played professionally is pretty remarkable. That's that's really remarkable, because I got three in college and not one scholarship and and I feel the pain every about, you know, second day of the month. Yeah, three in college. That's why I had no problem when they did well and it's something. You know, I'll get him a car, something, because the hell all lotch even than pain for the college education right right now, you know, and it's kind of funny, when I was reading some articles about you. You know you give a lot of the praise and the glory to your wife because you know, I think she was a pretty good basketball player youself when she well, the my wife from my current son, Kenyon, the one that's on the on the x three qualifying teams to go to the Olympics for USA basketball. She's she was an all American players. She's the only want to have her Jersey retired at her alma mater. She and my son have a distinction. New Trivia stuff, a lot of trivia questions and stuff for the Barry family.

The only mother and son, mother and son, for the mother to have been a two time first team academic all America and to have a son be a first team to time all America, academic all America. That my son accomplished. That was his mom never happen before in the vision one basketball and and Kanye was even in his last year in school, was the actually the academic all American player of the year. He's ever had to be wow man's. He just got a lot. He got all the jeans. Yeah, well, my wife never had to be either, except in one one class in college. She did something. The teacher didn't follow directions. Probably a teacher gave her a beat. That's the only be she ever had. Wow, it's amazing. That's amazing. So, Rick, what was it? What was your neighborhood like? Grown up like? Were you always playing with the other kids? Like my neighborhood was the next neighborhood. I played in the playgrounds and played a lot with a lot of the black players. So we had we had, you know, blacks and whites where they're playing on the playgrounds of his actually placed called brophy field and Elizabeth Port Down Elizabeth, New Jersey, used to call it the port down there, the singer manufacturing company and and so we played a lot of basketball down there and that's kind of how I hud a guy. I grew up and then I went to see Peter and St Paul Grammar School once. That's again it was called grammar school then, and played on that team. I was on the seventh and eighth grade team as a fifth grader and played with my brother and with my father as a coach. Wow, what kind of coach was your dad? Like? My Dad coached me a lot of sports, but he was always about the negative, never talking about the good that was just who he was and and that was very difficult for me. Had A lot of growing pains with that with him. How was what kind of coach was your dad? Yeah, you're you got to be careful when you're dealing with your kids and all a lot of parents try to be a little tougher on them than they are. If you're they're coaching a team that they're on and that's not good either. So you have and you can't get him too much, you know, leeway, but you also can't be too tough on them. But in my case, my father was again a strict fundamentalist. So it didn't matter who it was, whether there is me or anyone else in the team, if you did something fundamentally incorrect, you would be taken out of the game. He forced you to have to stay focused on doing the correct things fundamentally. Now, if you were doing the correct thing and you did it incorrectly, it wasn't like he was going to be crazy about it. I mean, I mean he's not. He's not going to jump in scream and Holler at you. Know he's going to take you out and you know why you came out. So you came out because you know you were watching your man. You didn't see week side d week side help defense and a guy drove to the basket. You should have been over there to pick that man up. And so it's so you it was a learning process and there had to be some sort of a penalty if you didn't do it properly. Otherwise you just keep doing it wrong all the time. So you knew that if you did do it correctly, you're going to come out of the game. So it may just stay focused, because why you wanted to play right exactly. So what other team sports did you play? RIC CRONA? I was actually a much better baseball player. I was at all State Baseball player and go actually quit baseball after my sophomore year because of coach wouldn't let me play when I didn't pitch. I mean I played every position and I learned that an early age. I didn't want to be a catcher and then Willie mays was my hero, so I played center field, but it was too boring. I mean you can go a whole game in center field never see a ball sometime, and that's in best what baseball is just too slow for me. So that's why I wanted the pitching and first base because you get more action there. So you know, probably the two most active players picture catcher and first basement. So I started pitching and and I was pitching on the JV team and I'm batting five hundred and the coach is not playing me when I don't pitch, and so I said, coach, I said look, I said, I'm bad. That better than I hit, better than anybody on this team, as I can play any position. What I don't pitch, I want to play. I said it. And if I'm not, if I if I can play when I'm pitching, then I don't want to pitch. Right. So so the next game I pitch, I go one or two bat and five hundred, and the next game I'm on the bench. So I said that's it, I'm done. So I left and didn't play and I went and focused on basketball. So I guess it was kind of a blessing. I just totally spent the entire summer and really work my butt off and focusing on basketball to put even more time into it. And then the next year the varsity coach said Hey, we'd like you to play. I said, well, if I don't pitch. You I going to places you'll play, but we'd like to have you come. And I said, well, if I if I play what, I don't pitch. Yeah, I'll come out and play, and I made all state two years. I mean I rarely struck out, a really good eye hand coordination. I think I struck out like eight times all season or something. I hit the ball all the time. The thing is I was skinny young kid. We happen to have a feel that had a fence and right field put nothing in the center or left setter or left, and so that my seat. I think I've batted like for something my seeing my junior year and then the next year only bout at three hundred and sixty because I started pulling the ball a little bit and study getting home runs over the fence and right center field. I'm heading getting out because there was no fences there right. Yeah, actually hit the ball better and didn't hit it higher. It just kept backing up.

Yeah, sleep it was. It was. It was good, you know, and I was pretty good pitcher and had your really good control and stuff, and you know, I had a pitch the no hitter and and made all state baseball but I just lost my love for you. Got To have a passion for what you're doing and I just didn't like it's too boring for me. What was your best pitch? I had great I had great fastball, I mean as far as I could put the ball where I wanted. I mean I could hit the corners and hit it low. I could put it pretty much throw the ball where I wanted to throw it, and I didn't do a lot of super stuff with the breaking stuff like coaches and stuff. I had didn't when I was young and skinny. Didn't want to go ahead and screw up my arm. But I had a pretty good had a pretty good curveball, you know, when I wanted to throw it, and then I had a little bit of a sinker. But and then the thing to screw me up my seeing you have the coach taught me a stupid crossfire pitch, stepping towards third base and coming crossfire, and that kind of screwed me up a little bit. I was kind of stupid, but I mean I could throw it from up by men. Come on, when you're when you're six foot six and your throwing it, come on, and that mound and throwing it. That's that's a pretty, pretty awesome pitch. I didn't have a gun back then, obviously, to know how fast I threw it, but I could put it where I needed to put it. Yeah, that was great. My Dad taught me the knuckleball for my changeup. So that was my change if I throw a fastball and then I throw a knuckleball, and that was my two pitches when I was when I was a little when I was a little league play, they wouldn't let you throw anything but fastball, you know, very regular offspeed pitcher fastball. They didn't let you throw curveballs and stuff back in those days and I had a bunch of games. I remember one time I had. It was two outs in the bottom of this last inning. I think you only played six sittings at time, and had two ounce no hit her going. I threw a pitch and the kid closed his eyes and stuck his bat out of hit the bat when over the third basement say I still remember that. It was like that darn kid who didn't even look at my pitch. I know it's unbelievable, but yeah, I mean I love sports. And then I had to run cross country before basketball seats in which I hate it, because I really I don't mind running in the basketball game, but man to just to go out and run. I never did get to a point where it was something I really look forward to doing, you know, and then running kind of beach up a little bit if you're not running on soft surfaces and all, but I would run just to get myself and shake the basketball. So you just joined cross country just to run getting night for joint cross you I had to run cross country. It wasn't a choice. Oh that your dad telling you you had run. I would not, I know my my dad was the coach. If I didn't run cross country, I wasn't going to play on the basketball team. So I ran cross country and I just didn't like it at all. And Cross country really is stupid because it doesn't do anything for basketball because you really need to do sprints. You need to do quick recoveries because basketball is hard. Sprint, then you stop and you got to recover there. You like better off wood sprints and short stuff and in changing direction and doing it as opposed to run cross country. It's nothing like doing those sliding defensive drills. You got to smack the floor and go. I mean I've done a million of those growing in all the are suicide, the suicides and all the other crazy stuff I know which I you know, here's the thing to me as a coach. I said, show up in shape. Okay, then we don't have to spend all the time doing all that BS. I remember one time I did something. I said, look, they always said, you know, alibur Rick Barry was a bad practice a player. I said that's bullshit. I said I was at I said I had bad practice coaches. I said I'm playing forty something minutes a game and I'm thirty games into an NBA eighty plus game season, plus the exhibitions and playoffs and and you're asking me to run three line drills for twenty minutes before the seat, before the practice starts. Bullshit, I don't need to run that. I mean, you know, you were to spend time working on our defensive rotations. You want to do something as far as execution of offense. If you do something productive to make us a better team, I'm more than happy to work as hard as I possibly can at that, but don't ask me to run three line drills. Yeah, I know that. That so I'll give you a sit like similar scenario when I usually what happens in the NFL. You train offseason and before training camp, you come back and they're like, okay, now we're going to run our running test right to see what kind of shape you're in. And the best place I've ever been was Miami when Nick Saban was a head coach, because he said look, you're going to train offseason, before you go home for your two week break, you get to do your running test. It's five gas ers over, back over back, and I'm like, Oh, this is the best. I can go home, get a little relaxed and keep my workouts going. Then I come into you know, not stress over, I mean that the whole time period of when you're off, after the offseason going into training camp, that was a most stressful point. It was okay, you know, these are going to be the hardest running test you have to do all year and I never enjoy them. I mean even though, like you said, just come in and shape. I'm going to find out WHO's in shape who's not. Yeah, I mean I could run all day. I mean, in fact, when I remember when I was a rookie, I would run Ey Los in San Francisco. So I'm running the hills and San Francisco to getting shape to go training camp, and I would have to say made and two a days and they were just grueling. And Yeah, the running is stand then we do three line drills, right, so you go one up the until he did ten and you have to make all the layups, otherwise you have to start over again. Right. So at that I could do that all day.

Okay, I was in great shape for reading. And I remember the vetteran guys who would come in and they would use briss training camp back then was it was weeks. I mean it wasn't like five days and you're playing exhibition games. It was week. So you had a long time to get shape and the veteran guys would come in to get themselves in shape and training camp I was in shape. So we're running those drills. Can we get up to? Maybe we're at, you know, six or the seventh one. I would stop and start pulling up taking jumpers. Now, if I missed the jumper, we have to start at one again. And so it was hysterical because the veteran guys would fight to try not to be in the line with me and you buy. Bet You rarely miss them too. I'd miss them, but you know the thing is, I didn't. Didn't make any difference to me. I just did it the bust of jobs because it did bother me. If I had to started want again, I can run all day, Valet stay and play on your next get away to Los Angeles. 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I mean we were competitive, but the Roselle the for number fourteen, those the one that had a great team and how they had a second team that probably would have been one of the best teams in the state. But they never had anybody that really did anything with their careers going on at the college ranks. In fact, what the starting center for the Roselle team actually wind up being a teammate? In mind that at the University of mabby reaching went to South Carolina and then he wind up transferring and coming down to Miami and play with me. Got The name of Charlie Group, but none of the other guys did much. In fact, I'm just trying to think of him. Many some of the other guys that were star players when I was in high school. I don't think any of them really went on to do anything send up any significance in college. Did you start right away when you got into high school or was here a little bit of her? Well, I was. Yeah, I started. I started playing as a sophomore. You can't play as a good plays at freshman and in fact actually one brother and I another trivia one. So my brother and I on the same day he played, he was a senior, when I was a freshman, and on the same day I played in the freshman game, be played in the Varsity game. We both scored fifty points. Wow, wow, that's a lot. I don't think I've ever scored fifty points just shooting hoops in the backyard. Hey Rick, so with how recruiting goes today now I want to think back to when you were getting recruited in college. You know there's all these sites and there's just online. You can recruit people from all over the world now easily for you. What was that recruiting process like? When somebody came were found out about you? How did that how? How do you think it? I mean the difference has to be amazing. Yeah, and what now was nothing. I got thirty five offers. I never visited. I visited one school and that was wake forest, only because my father wanted to visit his friend that was living down in the area and we drove and we and we drove. We drove down there to go and I went nextually, Billy Packer was actually there at wake forest when I visited, and bones mckinney. Bones mckinney was the coach, but I didn't I didn't like the living facilities. I mean it was a dorm where you had to go down the hall to use the bathroom that everybody use. And Miami, where I end up going, had two bedroom apartments, so two guys in each bedroom with the fully, you know, kitchen, living room, in the dining room. It's really, really nice. It was much nicer, you know, in the bathroom. So I just like the living facilities. But more importantly to me, as I had a high school coach that I couldn't stand, that I actually I actually was quitting the team and my father and brother maybe go back because the guy was just insane and screamer Holler and yelling and all and I told him, I said I'm not going to deal with this, and they said now you got to stay because you get a scholarship and you got a chance to be a really good player, and so I went back and tolerated this guy who later on became, I think, involved at Rutgers University or some place, and I think I heard later on that one time he was threatening to jump off the top of the faculty building or something. I don't know, but I was he was just he was crazy. I mean yeah, one game, one game I played in the Varsity game. He didn't like the way we played and I had fallen and you know, I don't know if you ever got a hit pointer, you know after that go yeah, and then it cools down that gets a little stiff. So I hit that one in the Varsity game, late in the Varsity game and he made us as a penalty because he didn't like the way we play. Play the first quarter of the JV game. So I had to play the first quarter of the JV game. I fell and hit the other hip, so I had to hit pointers after the game. I lived four blocks from school. Took... half an hour to walk home. I could barely I could barely move my legs to do it. It was painful. Into and then we had we played that Roselle team, that the powerhouse team I just mentioned earlier, and we get we got beat badly by them at their place. They come to play us and so we all of a sudden said we's going to put some stuff in and run some more stuff for me or whatever. So they do that and we wound up losing, I think of only by eight, ten points or something. I mean it was actually a pretty pretty game, a pretty good game. Yeah, they were undefeated team and so and he comes in the Locker Room and start screaming and how I was so sick and tired of setting up things for you with the vice. I I thought the guy was out of his mind at home. As I'm done, I said this is insane, I can't deal with this guy. And and so I had. I sucked it up and got through it on four, you know, and was able to get a scholarship and go on from there. But so my biggest thing going to college was I wanted a coach that I really, really liked who played a brand of basketball that I felt was going to be conducive from my style of play and which was to be able to run, because I was always very quick. I was quick and fast, and big difference between the two. Right and I had both. I was quick and fast. I actually could beat the guards, usually in sprints. And so University of Miami was there. I looked at what they did that he was a former pro player. They played pro style basketball, man the man defense, get it out, run, high scoring team, and the coach was great. He came and visited and I really liked them a lot and of course he wound up being my father in law later on, but I really like them and and we played that style. So I basically had four years of being in the Minor Leagues Training for the NBA and he taught me so much. I mean just think about this. In one thousand nine hundred and sixty four hundred and sixty five season, with no three point shot, our team average ninety nine points a game. Holy smokes. Yeah, Ninety nine points again, and I'd say it's amazing to me that I was able to score all a thirty seven or what it was a game and lead to cut se scoring, because I had three guys at my team, all Indiana guys, Rick Jones from Muncie Indiana, junior g from the Godie Indiana, and Wayne back there from Flora Indiana, and every one of those guys. In fact, I actually had another one, John Damn Beer, from Indiana as well, Louis D have beers cousin, who was just the greatest long distance jump shuter I'd ever seen till I saw steph curry, and amazing shooter but he wound up getting hurt. But anyway, those guys thought they were in range when they crossed half court. Right. If we had two three point we had the three point shot, just no doubt my mind. We would scored a hundred and ten easy, easy. Your average, your average possession was about seven seconds. I know, we was. We know, after a made basketball, up the floor, go. I mean we I mean yeah, we had some real super high scoring games. You know, some of the Games that people slowed it down on all food. Somebody else was crazy enough to play with us or a wee could dominated we grown up a hundred and thirty. You know. So it was. It's crazy. Yeah, so how how would you guys do? Somebody try to slow it down like that? It's just playing better. You for getting, Bress. Yeah, you can put pressure on me, try to get steals, to try to force them to have to know, not just be able to stay out there and hold the ball and use up all the time. So so did you? Did your coach in Miami make you get I mean, you had to be in great shape to play that kind of Oh yeah, exactly. So that's it. Were Kid. Is that where your mindset was? Of when you how to get in shape and how to stay in shape, because that's what you had to do, you know, in Miami with that kind of team and up and down the floor that munch. Yeah, well, I always just in good shape. I mean I was worked out and make sure I could run all day. I mean that was a big advantage. So you don't want to get tired late in the game. You want to still have your energy and still have your explosive this and not get tired legs, because if you get tired legs and basketball, it's going to have a dramatic impact on your shooting, especially if you're a jump shooter. Right, Ricky, Rick and what point in your college career did you really have a good idea? You know what, I think I can make it to the next level in might you. In my it was my sophomore year we could play again Varsity, so I played on a freshman team and then in my sophomore yearn't playing with a guy by the name of Mike McCoy, seven foot center, who was a great shooter. He was one of the first big seven foot guys ever, so who really was outside shooting. He would flourish intodayg's game because all the guys want to shoot outside anyway. But he would shoot from outside. He was not a post up player. Okay, well, and so and so the Lakers came to scout of loomos, the general manager at the time of the Los Angeles acres, comes out to scout him when I was a sophomore, and they asked him, do you think McCoy can make it in the NBA? He said I'm not sure about McCoy doing y'sus, but I'd tell you one thing. He says that Kid Barry's going to be a great pro player. So that kind of pumped me up a little bit to hear the long size was Lakers general manager say that. You know right, that is awesome. That is awesome. And then you go into the draft. What's that draft process like, because that's a joke. Back then it was a joke. I mean, you know, they didn't have a big thing where everybody gets together. I'm I was drafted. I was actually doing something in New Jersey at my high school that I was going to and I got a phone call and just the whant to say once it's win to call you let you know that we just we just drafted. It was a chair manager. Okay, great, that's my thanks. Second...

...of the wall, that second pick overall. Yeah, and they although I think that's what it was. I that's the only time in the history of the League that they took the worst team in the east and the West. That was the Knickson, the warrior slip the coin, the winner one first and fourth, the loser second the third. They've never ever done that before. And the next one they they their mistake. They took Bradley. I never forgave him for that. Yeah, then and then I heard that they took me, but somebody else said they might have said had so I don't know. But it really didn't matter because they had the second in the third picks. And then the nixt took Dave stalworth from which Ita State, in the fourth pick, and you know, he was a really nice player as well. And so that's kind of how how that evolved. And then they offered me Twelvezero five hundred dollars. That's a lot of money back then and and I I'm not not not a lot of money really. I had to make the team and so no agents or anything. So I negotiated it up to fifteen and got a three thousand dollars signing bonus and I was as happy as a pig and slop. I couldn't believe that something was going to pay me Fifteenzero dollars to play basketball. Well, I know. Were the KNICKSURE team grown up? Oh Yeah, and that's why I did. And the Irish and that Irish owner of the team at the time, you know you're going to draft Barry because you know I was a leading scorer in the freaking country and Bradley was overdoing his thing and they said he's too skinny and flaky, and I go, wait a second, I say you might be right, but I don't appreciate you even saying you know. And so I had a lot to pride, a lot of big, big high scoring games against the Knicks. I never forgot what he had said to me and I made him pay a dear price for not drafting me. So, yeah, so when you go and you play the Knicks, you go to the coach and say, Hey, coach, you know I'm going to get the ball. When I get it, I'm gonna know I'm going to make them pay. Ever said that. I just play. I was a score. I was going to score points and do stuff, but I just really focused in and I just wanted to make sure that I was ready to play and fortunately I usually had pretty good games. That I just had to happen to have some outstanding games against the Knicks. I mean a number of fifty plus point games. Do you do you think that, you know nowadays college a lot of great players like yourself would be are one and done. What do you think that would have done for your career? Differently, if you would have been a oneandone guy at my am I wouldn't have been ready. I wouldn't have been ready to go. Do you think a lot of guys are ready now for years of training to play pro style basketball? Just think about how many rookies committed the league that you can think of a bet? You can't even make any other than me, who came into the League as a rookie and made first team allpro. No, I don't know why. I agree it train, I trained. I here's the thing. When I came into the NBA as a rookie, it was easier for me to play in the NBA than it was in college because in college the other teams entire defense was geared to shut me down. Right. Okay, here's the thing. But they don't understand is is that you can never shut down of a score. You can shut down the shooter, but you can't shut down a score. When I hear these guys on TV, especially when it's a former athlete, former player, say no, but he's a lockdown defender. Trust me, if you're a score, there's no such thing as a lockdown defender. A defender can't lock down a score. He can lock down a shooter, but not a score. Who's the greatest scored today? Do you think Lebron's pretty unbelievable? Obviously you know. JEANIS is is tough. Steph curry is unbelievable. I mean a mean clay. I mean, for what he does, clay is probably the most efficient scorer that I've ever seen. I mean some of the things this guy's done. You know what? Thirty six or seven points in one freaking quarter, I mean, and then I think he scored some ridiculous number of points and had the probably the least amount of dribbles. I mean, this guy has a catch and shoot or one dribble. I mean he's an amazing. He's an amazing scorer. Plus, see, he can shoot the three, he can hit the midrange shot, he can go to the basket and he's a great free throw shooter. And steph is the same way. And so the only thing Lebron lacks is LE bronze not a great free throw shooter. Never has been. His biggest flaw is always been a shot. And you know, I made a big deal about it when he was in the League a couple of years and I kept talking about it and finally the Cleveland Press Calls Me Up. I said, I said, I guys, I've been talking about for three freaking years. You technically this long to call me up and ask me about it. I said the guy has one of the worst shooting forms ever. It's a tragedy that disc kid, is great as he is, has never had anybody teach him how to shoot the ball with proper shooting for him. I said, maybe that's guy's equalizer, because the thing is, if he could shoot the ball with great efficiency, it'd be a joke. He's almost unstoppable as it is right now. Just imagine if the kind of was abled to have be a forty percent three point shooter into eighty five or ninety percent three, you know, free throw shooter, I mean, which he's never been even an eighty percent free throw shooter. Yeah, I remember seeing a the video, like highlight about two years ago Clay Thompson. He scored like fifty two but he only had like four droubles the whole sum yeah, I think I think was more than that. But Yeah, I'm insane and saintly low number crazy. Yeah, might have been eat or something, but yeahh it was. It was just it was insane. I mean he's everybody talks about Steph. See about step Steph.

Steph is way better being able to create his own shot, but as far as being a quick shooter and as good as shooter, I mean clay is right up there with the best ever. So, Rick, what do you what do you currently doing now? Just do a lot of different business things. You know, I'm a ball I still have to earn a living even though I'm retired, because I'm retired from basketball and broadcasting, but I still like to do the broadcasting. But unfortunately they don't like somebody that tells the truth, I guess, and they never did. And and so yeah, a lot of things. I'm involved in the medical field and a lot of areas in the CBD world, doing things in the and the power world for people who own in certain states only commercial real estate, and I'll hope we start a whole new revenue stream for them that they never knew about, which it's really very exciting, and getting ready to come out with another line of a cool product in the CBD world and just doing a lot of different things. Involved in something called end bank, which is a unique system that can help a lot of businesses out, and just keeping really busy trying to find enough way to go ahead and subsidize my fishing habit that's my passion is. I who fly fishing and left to take trips that are very expensive to go to fly fish up in Alaska and I just got back from South America going peacock bass fishing in the Amazon, where you fly fishing for those I did a little bit. My friend didn't have fly fishing stuff and so you really can't do both of you're going to do. You know, if you're going to do bait casting and spinning, you can't really do both because the fly fishing you got to be in a different spot and then he so I just said okay, I'll just suck it up and I did the bait casting stuff, which I had never done before, and I caught an eighteen pound pecock bass, which is kind of cool, and he caught a twenty two pounder, which is really neat. But I did. I did catch them on the fly Rod. But I prefer to fly fish and go to a these know a lot of lage owners up in Alaska and and go up there. Used to go up there two or three times a summer, but now I've been fortunate enough to Ice Cube was nice enough to include me in the Big Three and I've been coaching at the Big Three in the summers. And so I don't have the time to do that because every weekend, where you know, we're doing, we're doing games and usually you go to Alask it's a long way to go to only Fisher like for three days, and so most of the trips out there are like six day trips and so I could usually only squeeze and one trip the season. So what about? That's all I love to do. So Oregon, Washington, idahoe been fishing there much or you lost. I I fished and IDALL. Here's the deal. When you get so spoiled in Alaska and Alaska, and this is no exaggeration, where I go and the way I go after it, I do everything as as I'd get into it. Okay, you all right, I really immerse myself. So I'm very serious and the guides know that I will hook on a run, a six day trip in the six days usually a little bit shorter, but I would say three, four and sometimes even five of the six days I will hook a hundred or more. Fish. Wow, wow, so are you? What are? You're just walking the streams, or what are you doing? You flow out walking here. Well, we float, then you get out and you fish some stuff and then you go in the boats and you get out and then you do your waiting and then you move to another spot. And then I've gone out actually in a little smaller raft of guide and myself and bolder and we go up the other way where people don't float down, and we've done that. In fact, that day it was so funny because he says we'll work. You know, we got to get a hundred, because they know it. That's my goal, is to cook a hundred fish. Right, and I said. I said listen, I said, with you and me only in here with the motor and we can go up to the areas where other people haven't gone. If I don't Hook a hundred fish today, I don't know if you're going to make it back to camp right you might be walking. So are you? So you we got? We got a hundred so fast. He said, Rick, I think we can get two hundred today. I said, let's go for it. And Oh my God, I was tired and we went after he bring that in, bring that in, you know, switch to fly. Let's go next, spyt and and we got back to where we get picked up by the by the other boats to take us back to the lodge and drop off the raft. And the only reason I stopped at two hundred and twenty four fish that I have gus twenty four. Yeah, be exhausted. That was all deserved. The glass of Bourbon after that. Well, I don't drink, so I just went back and just had a good meal and got to sleep. But I was tired because I worried butt off. Start Your Day sunny side up at the Weston Bonaventure Hotel and sweets and enjoy breakfast for two on us. 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...time. Most of the time, I would say, you know, most of the time you're going to go west because you're going to go on there and use nymps or whatever. But right you know, we're do some streamers or what have you. But you know, it's awesome when that, when the drives are working, because, I mean there's it's nothing more accelarating and watching up freaking fish come up and whack a fly on the surface. That's so cool, so true to do you know what time I had? I had I was going for for Grayling, which is cool, cool little fish. And so the water was crystal clear at all. I had one fish, the same fish, five different times before I got them. Really I saw he come up and he missed it. Next time he came up and you can get a little too excited because you got to wait a little bit under dry to give him a chance to swally. I pulled it out of his mouth. The next time he came up and he missed the thing again, and every time I watched him go right back down because it was so crystal clear, beautiful. Maybe you know, three and a half feet water. And so I cast again and here he on the fifth try I hooked him and got him, and so it's kind of stuff like that that. It's nothing else had happened the rest of the day, that little experience there would have been sort of like worst the whole trip, you know, and and stuff like that is so cool. Yeah, I can imagine being in some of the streams in Alaska to if you don't catch money, you're in a spot that you love to be in and and just, you know, really like being in heaven. Well, it is. It's like dying to going to heaven. It really is. But the thing is it's rare that you go and you're not hooking fish. I mean it's not a matter if you're going to hook him, it's no matter how many you're going to hook. So and the better, the better you get it your technique and skill, because fly fish and gives a skill for and a hard one. And and the better I've gotten, the more fish I hook because I can get the fly where I need to get it and make the proper presentation. So I mean, it's really really fun. And then I will always learning. I tell the guys give me some pointers, and I've learned all kinds of different type of casts and things to be able to do and just have gotten better and better at it and just really enjoyed that experience, ariences. It's a wonderful thing and, like you say, though, it's my chance. You happen to get a spot and things aren't going to get some of the place you should go or so spectacular, and that it is really you know, the beauty of God and nature is just amazing at time. So I have a picture. Hang, I'm looking at it right no effect, actually, you can see if you look a look at this picture right here. Let me show you this picture. Can you see this? Yeah, wow, that's race Lloyd. That's racefully, my buddy and me fly fish. He could even see the lines there. It's so, so clear. And and that's up in Alaska and we used to go all the time to the entering and we lost his wife, unfortunately, great lady, and then then he found the new lady. But raymonds border freaking yacht and goes freaking fission in the Bahamas all the time and he has put up to Alaska with me in a while. So, but we had my wish for a great look this another look at this is so cool. Look at these pictures. I check this one out. Oh whoa, there's that awesome. That is awesome. That's your floatplane. And here's Clifford. Here's Clifford right and they my teammate going there. And then here's Clifford to me again. That's that's awesome. And there's clear fortim me again. You, Clifford, seemed to have a lot of a lot of fun out. Oh yeah, this is down to Mexico on my buddies place. Down here too, big fifty plus pound rooster fish. Look at those, those are huge. Oh yeah, that's cool. Yeah, we're some SIS with you. I have been bone fishing and and bone fishing. I waited until my skills got better, because you don't have a cash you forget going bone fishing. You got to put it right in front of you, got to put it the right place, the right presentation. They're so get your skittish and they spook so easy and sometimes, you know, it's hard. I mean at the first time I actually got to do it as Raymond took me and he spoiled me rotten. Yeah, it was just an amazing experience. I mean he had a boat, narry, whatever it is. I mean it was like in me, I said, Raman, how the hell am I ever going to go bone fishing again after what you just reat to be too. Would say it was like one of those trips from heaven, you know. I was Oh, yeah, it was, I believe. Yeah, here's here's the other thing I showed. I tell you about my son. Here's what I had made up for him. This is kind of cool. You're right here. That was what I did for him, what he wont to Oh yeah, right, you can see all of that. Rich. Here's sons. Your son's also fish. I took. Took my son, Canyon, the one that just showed you the picture of. I took him fishing when he was like thirteen. He caught nine King Salmon in a two hour period of time. And so after, as I said, son and a fly Rod, I said to want to go again some time? He said yeah, but I said do we have to catch those big ones all? I said, son, do you know what people would pay, how much money they would pay to catch nine King Salmon? I freaking fly Rod, but he did. There a lot of work dad, but he yeah, but he really wasn't into it. And I took my wife one time and my wife caught a fish and I was waiting for years to try to catch a thirty against fresh water fish up in Alaska and hadn't got it. And my wife I took her off the first time she ever gone. She touched to thirty six inch freaking chart. They put it on the cover and their brochure and on their website. I got S and it's and she's I said wow, you like he says now is all right. I said what, you want to go again?...

She's well, maybe in five years. I was about nine years ago. I think so she does have to go again and I do have my other semi. I know my son screwter really would like to go with me sometime, but he's got, you know, a family and kids growing up and haven't been able to do that. And hopefully before I die. My goal is, you know, I get a chance to do that with some of my other boys, but my my goal in life is to be one hundred years old and go be healthy enough to go fly fishing in Alaska. That's that's what you have to have goals in life. That's my goal. That that that's a pretty darn good goal. How about grandkid? You getting grandkids? Eight, heyre eight grand kids. Yeah, they grant kids. I like to take them. Some of them want to go and I just is the matter trying to figure out one to be able to do it and have an opportunity to spend the time with them and to do that. But that's that's my passion. That I love. That plane, pickle ball. I mean, I still play some golf, but you know, I used to be a one handicapped Golfer. The Golf is too frustrating, it is too difficult to be fun, especially when you're a perfectionist. It's just way too hard. Yeah, if you if you don't go with that mindset where you can just go out and have fun, Golfs, not like if you think you're going to go out and have a great day and shoot, you know, even par, it's kind of there's something that's going to drive you nuts. I know it'll. Doesn't matter. The better you get, more frustrating it becomes, because the more you expected yourself in the more difficult it is to maintain that level of performance. I as Tris Good Jack Nicholas, about two and a half months ago doing something and I said Jack, correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm telling all my friends. I said, look, golf is one of the most difficult sports you can ever play and it's a sport that can never be mastered. And my correct or not, he said absolutely correct. Never, I'm never. This is the greatest Golfer in the history of the game telling you you can't master this. Hey, you just got to be better than the next guy. Well, that's no. That's when you go fishing and if a bear's chasing you just got to be definitely it's right, exactly. We tell that story a bit. A Lot. Hey, as far as eating fish, what's your favorite fish ty eat? I like fish that don't taste like fish like Calib I like Halibit, I like rock fish. There's one that's called yellow, yellow eye, and I'm telling you, you can only get one. It's such a shame if they just stupid rules that they have and all you're fishing down hundreds of feet and you don't even know if you get when you bring it up, and all you can only keep one and tp of it's going to die. You can't even if you don't keep it's gonna die because you can't go back down, I mean, and so you just throw it back in. I guess the one you know feed the other animals or something. I don't know, but that's really tasting. I mean that's a beautiful fish with sweet and you know, I think it's better than Halibit, to be honest with you. But I like those kinds of fish that you know, that are don't taste. Some no, no real fishy taste at all. You know. I if Salmon's prepared properly, it's good, as long as when you get done, you scrape all of that dark stuff off the bottom part of it and all, but I'm not eating my life and are not uge salmon fans. But my friends love it because I'll bring home salmon when I go up to Alaska, and then people who invite us over and we'll bring salmon and they'll cook something else for us, and so they're fright to get the same. We'll bring you the salmon, but make something else for us. Yeah, exactly. All Right, Rick. So one of the last things we do on our shows we have an episode called a segment called no huddle. We fire a bunch of questions at at you. That's a twenty four second clock on my show, on my warriors twenty four podcast, right, right exactly, a second clock. That my producer and my mind, that my produced. Well, used to be my producer when I worked to KAMB are. Cyrus Ache seeks, an award winning journalist and he's my cohost, and so he always throws a twenty four second deal out me and throws a question that I never know beforehand. So it's kind of yeah, so we got a two minute drill. So we're going to move the ball down the field. So go ahead, day. What se no, the way. Second is that the two minute drill when it basically is to play the two minutes to try not to lose. Or do you should you have the t minute drill we actually try to win football. Is The dumbest thing ever that I see these people stop doing what they were doing to get to that point and they stopped doing and they start this two minute bullshit and they let the other team back in the game and loose. Well, that's why we always sorry. nexts my observation as well. We say prevent defense has it prevents you from winning. That's what we always said on the right yeah, to minute drill, okay, yeah, we're just going to drop our safeties. Twenty fire away deep, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, okay. Rick, in your time as a player, what defender gave you the most problems? Nobody. The Guy was the toughest defriender I had in most committed was a guy by the name of EC Coleman, who's at AC Coleman play for the for the New Orleans and New Orleans Jazz. Actually was a teammate honey Houston, which is nice because I didn't have to have guard me. But one time when he was guarding you to Superdome, I'm walking towards the huddle and he's following. Mean I turned rested EC him. Sorry, but you can't come to the huddle me. He was so committed to guarding me to the point that he actually was detrimental to his team, because if I had the ball and my teammate was open right next to me and I gave him the ball, he's getting a wide open shot because HEC was not going to leave me. Was it? What was it? What was his key? Was He just he was just so UNUs minute. He was just committed to want to try to play. No, I love guys are wanting to be aggressive, because that's easy to get him to move. I just need to get Malin a little bit. Sometimes the hardest guy to beat as a bad defender right because they're back because they're stupid how to do it. I can't get...

...him to react. When they should be reacting something, they're not reacting to it because they're pat defenders. Buy What's your biggest pet peeve? Probably the lack of calling the game the way it's supposed to be called, you know, carrying the basketball, traveling with the basketball, you know, moving screens, all these things that the officials let go, which gives an advantage to players that they should be given an advantage to rank. If you were MBA commissioner for a day, what rule change would you make? Huh? I never probably turned the game into two halves. First Half Council point, the Second Half Council point. Then you'd have more exciting games and I do away with the they should have done this a long time ago. They should have a maximum salary that any player could get, and by that I mean, let's say it's too sincere, obscene amount that I never heard million of my contracty go. But let's say it's two million dollars, and that's where an agent can commend. Now, so Steph Carey gets US two million dollars. So now how many games realistically, and this is where you negotiate, can this team win if we stay healthy? So let's say it's fifty. Four conversation. So okay, so fifty. So let's say. So steph Carey is then going to get seven hundredzero dollars for every victory that the warriors get on top of his two million. Right, right, and he can go five over that, let's say, if you know whatever. And so then the other guy who's playing now. He might have a contract that he might be getting four hundred thou or three Hundredzero, and he might get five thousand of things. So it's all negotiable, but what happens is that every player has money on the line for every game they play, which is the way professionalism should be. It should be that way in football, should be that way in baseball, it should be any team sport, in hockey, that every game has money in the line for every player participating. That's true professional sports, where the guys are going to play every game as if it's the last game of seven game in the finals of the championship, because you have money on the line and a guy who gets hurt is going to rehab his ass off because if he doesn't get back to play, the team's losing ease cost and him a lot of money. Right. Yeah, have the to the two worst teams in the League can play the last game of the season and they're going to play a competitive game because everybody has money on the line. Yeah, I know, I love that idea. I love that idea you got. It's a great head of it. I love it all right. So if you could go back and talk to a young Rick Berry? What would be ten words of advice you would give them? If I could have where I am today and have my wife and my son and the friends and everything that I have in life and make one choice that I'd made that I would not make, it would be I would leave the NBA. Left the end. Wouldn't have left the NBA. Yeah, now you know what, Rick, that's sounds familiar. Not that I had your career, but I played fifteen years and we left the NFL and I could have went right into coaching or doing something else in it. I said I need a break from it and I took too long off. Trying to get back in for me has been way too difficult. So I totally understand that. Yeah, all right, Rick, going back to your days as a hurricane, give me the Mount Rushmore of Hurricane Sports. You can include yourself. Well, no, I mean they always had some great players. I mean they've had a number of guys who would become hall of fame players. I mean I was just on the phone last night actually with Michael Irvin, and you know Ted Hendricks is a buddy of mine. I mean said, they've had some great players and especially in football. Alex Rodriguez, I think, was down there from that mistaken Yeah University of Miami Baseball. So it had some great swimmers, some Olympians. So there's been a lot of great athletes down there. I don't think anybody has done anything really in basketball. No one else has really done much coming out. There's a few guys have wind up going on and making it into the NBA. But you know, the guy who was the big guy when I was there play for the forty niners, you might remember. And Guess who was? George Myra, who left the universe in Miami, played and played for play for the forty niners, and so there were a number of number of guys that were there. But you know, all that stuff is meaningless. Everything of that is subjective. My thing is is all I know is I went out and I played as hard as I can play in every game I ever played, and I can honestly say that there's only one quarter of one game but I ever played that I wasn't mentally ready to play. What quarter was that? It was just a quarter of one game during the season one time. I had some things going on personally in my life and I was so mad at myself because I usually I have the capacity, or not the capacity, but the ability, to compartmentalize things. A lot of people, I found in the life don't have the ability to do that. You have to take certain things and you have to stick them in the back, on the back burner, and you don't let those things come in to disturb what you're trying to accomplish you or to effect what you're trying to do. And your focus, and that's a big word in life, is being focused. I mean, I toll as a coach. I said, look at I know guys. I can get you to play hard, because if you don't play hard, you're not going to play. But if you're playing hard and you're not focus, you're going to be a half to step late and half to step lade. Basketball is going to...

...kill you, you're going to get destroyed, and so the biggest thing is to make sure that you're a focused mentally, and it's not easy to do. That's why in Golf, you know, it's so much more difficult golf. They have to be focused for four more hours, so focused in laser sharp. That's why tiger was so good. He was so good at that and that's why he was so dominant for so long until he had the physical injuries. It's the mental part of the game and people tend to overlook that and a lot of players can't stay focused for extended periods of time. And Hell, you're onready asking the guy in and then be a game to do forty eight minutes and most players don't play forty it the only played thirty six. So you're asking a guy to be focused for three quarters of a freaking game and they can't do it. I mean, that's that's very sad. Really, it's not really really really is. Hey, what what quarter was that in that game? Was it the beginning? First Order? Yes, the frame order, and you got got over it. And Yeah, I know I was. I was so mad at my if I could have kicked myself in the butt, I would have done it. So Rick, one last thing. What would you tell all of our guests that, you know, with all this covid nineteen going on, a lot of people have lost their jobs and people are listening to our show to kind of help them through all this, but a lot of unemployed. What would you tell these people that have to make these big transitions in your life. We've all made them. What would you what some advice you would give them? Well, it just, I think, have to believe that God has a plan and everything in life happens for a reason and there's a lot of times, and this is probably one of them, where you're going to say, why in the world is this happening at to me right now, and it may take a considerable length of time before you get the answer as to why this is happening to you. I've had this happened on numerous occasion in my life. Effect I say it's so much my oldest son, scooter, bought me something a father's day one time. If it's a big sign to hang on my one my home up in Colorado Springs, it's everything in life happens for a reason, and it really is true. And even though you can't see and it's basically like you're in that tunnel and there's no light, they're showing up. Eventually a lights going to show up and sometime down the road you're going to realize that something's going to take place in your life that wouldn't have taken place had it not been for what you're going through right now. Dealing with this unfortunate situation that exists today in the world, and so you just have to believe in that and the usually old cliche you have to learn to play the hand. You're delt right awesome. Well, Rick Dave, and I really appreciate you joining us in the huddle today and and being on with with us on huddle up with gusts. So thank you so much for sharing you know, in this time, and hopefully we didn't take up too much of your time. I was happy to do it and they know they try to get me in the huddle. When I was at the University of Miami, football guys used to go out run past patterns and stuff and I could catch everything and I was quick and fast and elusive and all. And I said and the coach that what is this? They heard that the football. You're going out and you're trying to go out for football, but you crazy, I said, were you hearing that from? I said, Hey, the only way I play football is if they make it to hand touch. You're right, because they had some big guys down in Miami exactly right now. I was a skinny little guy and they both would hit me and one would have grab one leg woman to grab the other. Words that make a wish ha awesome. So I thanks for joining us again, Rick, ever great. All right, guys, take care. God bless you and your listeners and hang in. Their folks will get through this all right. Thank you, Rick. Thank you. Say You. Guys. Hey, we want to thank you for joining us today on Hullo up with guests, where we talked to a wide range of guests about how sports shaped to life. As always, I'm joined by my great friend and Co host, Date Hagar, and we want you to be able to follow us on all of our social media at huddle up with Gus and we really appreciate you and thank you for your time and listening to our podcast.

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