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Renaldo Nehemiah

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Ironically, our conversation with one of the fastest men in history is also one of our longest. Renaldo Nehemiah joins the huddle and provides great insight into his life before, during, and after his Olympic track and field career. Gus and Dave talk to Nehemiah about what got him into running and being a world record holder. Furthermore they talk about his current hobby, which only adds to his already impressive resume. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome everyone to huddle up with GusWer. We talk to our guests about how sports shake their life. I'm your hostGus Forott fifteen year, NFL quarterback and I'm joined by mylongtime friend and cohout Dav Paker. You can now find us, under the big topwith the sports circus and ring master sout. Look for us on MTV, a MP tvcom lovone. Thank you for another Esod Goinup for another episode of Coo Gooro, fifteen yearfl quarterback an and longtime have ben listener to to show hote,radio and Dave, and I started this pocat because we wanted to diffeent vewin your different storie. So I'm joined by my longtime frendit calls Dav Peggar,Hey gos, and you could find us on Radiocom or anywhere you listen to yourfavorite podcast and also you can hear us under the big top wit soul, the ringmaster on the sport circus. Today's guests is maybe day. What do you think one of thefastest men in the world he running Eherles, while one of the greatest theone of the greatest athletes ever an definitely the probably the greatestathlete we've ever had in our show? If I think you, I would even have troubleslike just trying to figure out how to get over a hurdle, let alone runningover them. I definitely could not do a hurdle right now. So today's guest Renownernaldo, Ria NeArt, RNADO Niamaya, trying to talk too faster. It's a pleasure having you onand thank you for joining Os on huddle up with Gus. I was great to be on Gustand Dave my pleasure thanks so much for having me so Renaudo. We go back to thebeginning, always Dave, and I start back to where you grew up in New Jerseyand as far back as you can remember, what was that first time where you fellin love with sports fell in love with sports. It's probably,I grew up kind of weird taste here, but I was a a a nick and a Jek Fan and anda met Fan. So you know I new jersey, Guy, but there's Right York in thereand it's part of New Jersey teams in there so watching Dave, debusher andWillis Reed and Jerry Grody and Tommy AG of the mets. You know Joe Nameth, Joe Cool, you know so, andWalt Fraser of the net so thee. Those are kind of guys that moved the needlefor me as a fan and someone who was loving tosee what they did because of their passion, not once thinking that I wouldever aspire or even proceed on that path, but it least gave me a reason whythey love what they did and why they were so good at it. So do you do you now? I saw that Ithink your nickname growing up with skeets is that right? Yes, that'scorrect e, because you were such a fast crawler. Well, you know what a skie is at arifle range right. You know if thay pull in it goes fast across. So when Iwas probably I don't know, six months oldor, so I crawle so fast across thefloor, they said hat was like a skit. I skited about and I caught on andactually to this day they called me ski s, the family members, but and then,when I went to the niners o one thousand nine hundred and eighty two, Ifelt that I had outgrown the baby name and I wanted people to know me asRenaldo, because now I was old enough to be called Rinaldo yeah. I Love Imean our family is nick name Central. Everyone has a nickname, I mean my kidscall me Bisker GB, you name it the Vlok kind of nicknames, but I think it'sjust a fun thing. You know everybody kind of has a a nicknine. I'm sure.Maybe you know your family's like Renau, that's kind of long. Let's just callhem skits, it's yeah wiker. I was skit se I was buddy boy. You know I hadthose two names so and M. my college friends call me bird. I don't know whythe niners Tey. They called me noodles to my years of sports. Yes, so Wen,although it sounds like you were quick out of the gate right from thebeginning. What was the first sport that youplayed like when you did you play little league or anything like Taaor?Yes, I played Pot wanner football when ou had to be ten. I couldn't wait tillI was ten to put on those pads and I played little liague baseball and, ofcourse, the recreational basketball swam. We bold we're very active and so...

...a lot of thet that you know camenaturally to me. I always thought I was fast, a never knew how fast I wasactually actually was a quitter in my first time I was the fastest kid on myblock until we went across town and having some races, and I realize thereare a lot of fast kids in town and T- I wasn't just me so it was through thatexperience. Probably that push me toward hurdling more so than anythingelse, and you know it just a perfect marriage for me. I coul I had speed,but yet I had great agility. I did gymnastics in middle school and juniorhigh, so the hurling was just something that became rather natural to me. Werethere other athletes in your family yeah? My brother was probably a betterathlete than I was he's a year and a half younger, but he was loikle bit more of a deerer devil than I and he lisaride at miny bikes and had a miniby crash and smashed his ankle, but he was a starting defensive back he'sthird doree black belt. He was you know as fast, probably if not faster than Iwas, and so so he went on to you know he could only do karate at that pointand I went on to do the other things. So you know, I think one of the thingstoday. We always Dave- and I love to talk about this- about how when we grewup, it was so different. Kids were outside, we were in the neighborhood.We were doing all that stuff. You talked about an experience. You justhad about learning how fast you actually were when you go to anotherneighborhood y. Now it wasn't on a it, wasn't on a track going to anotherneighborhood, and I think kids o today really miss that. I don't know how youfeel about that. But you know I used to work soft andsometimes I say it lovingly another time just not as lovingly no I'm remarried and I have a stepson,a step daughter, senior, an at USC, the daughter and the son I's getting readto go to college and they spend too much time inside even during thisquarantine they are inside. You know in front of a box playing games orwhatever and my dad used to have to come and lookfor me when he got home from work, because I was out on some street or atthe park. I was never in the house, you know, you know, didn't want to becooped up and it was just great for exercise and then a chance to grow. I wasn'tstimin just in one form of activity. You know there were a variety ofactivities. That being out, I was exposed to other neighbors, kids,friends of mine, who had other interest that that's how I got into swimming andthat's how I got into gymnastics. You know, because we we all you know SaCommunity, a d we' like okay, I'll, try that yeah, that's cool. You know wecoan hang out together and but today you know their fingers are doing allthe work. You know that's pretty much it, how dod those multiple sports thatand all those activities that you did think really helped you grow into thechampion. You are, you were well that was cost training before eer it becamecross training right. You know we were just you. Just did a lot of things as akid youw're involved in a lot of you know whether you play football,basketball baseball, you did all three and if you had time to run track, youdid all three and you didn't realize that you were developing your body inso many different ways, and so I just that was what you did youweren't limited by someone else's opinion of you, my father. If we wantedto try it, even if he didn't know it, he would try to learn it or get us infront of people who could teach us if he couldn't teach us and and then you just more well round it. Ithink, as you know, sports s is, you know, teaches you team work, teachers,Yo leadership, you know, teaches you to how to deal with adversity, all those types of things that youdon't get normally I mean you go to work and there's a hirarchy and work,but you don't you don't face that type of adversity day in and day out, thatsports does and then the Disciplinei'm I'm a huge disciplinarian, because Ithink without discipline and structure you can't walk out your front door andhave a fighting chance. I mean you know you might make it, but it's a hard,tough road, and so my family knows that discipline being the fundamentals, thefoundation. It has to be solid, no matter what it is that you're doing,and I always tell them. I said if I didn't have that: that's what teamsports does you know, there's a pecking order, there's a consequence, for youknow not following instruction or doing things to right way and it's a metaphorfor life. There's instruction when you don't do things with a SoundhFoundation, and so I'm all schooled in that way. I'm a tough lover, you know,meaning that I don't manage words, I'm not mean or anything, but I'm direct tothe point, because I think you know we can only shelter our kids so longbefore you go out there and you find out that that world isn't the privateschool that they grew up in. You know it's reality, and so how do you armyourself with adversity? Because most of these kids, US parents are at faulttrying to make it soft borr them? You...

...know we're trying to make everythingperfect for them and then the slightest bit of controversy they're having somehuge, you know, relapse if you will about what just happened, and so I tryto give my kids a dose of reality as wellas toughness and pushing them and challenging them and at sixty one yearsof age, I'm still as competitive I'm fit. You know I train five days a weekjust because I love fitness Iride, my Pelaton and I'll challenge them. Notthat I can, you know, do anything with the nineteen year old, but at leastkeep him honest, Yeah Runaldo. When is the first time you setfoot on a track thet first time it was a, I think, was coming like the juiorOlympics, my high school one day, and it was thefirst time I ever had to run a mile. You know all the kids age groups, UN amile run and it was the worst experience in my life. I realized that's not what I wanted todo, but I made it. You know, and I got my ribbon and then when I was in ninthgrade actually in ninth grade, our junior high went up to ninth gradetenth grade was the high school and I went out for track for the first timeand they had hurdles and no one wanted tohurdle. Everyone was afraid to hurdle and our property in our home we had asplit real fence and I used to run jump defense all the time and I'm like coolthat I do that. I do that at home. I could do that. So I was the only guythat raised his hand and would attempt to do the hurdles and it made me feelspecial, even though I was somewhat apprehensive and, as I say, the rest ofhis history, I've made it over the first hurdle and fell in love with itwas different than just running. You know running to Mak, it's fun tbut,everybody can do it. Obviously some people can run faster d than others,but not everybody could hurdle no, and it just put me in a special. You know.Elitue group, I feel will at that point, and I was the only one and man I was like a sponge. I couldn't getenough of hurtling and wanting to be e. You know, has my coaches tell me, beone with the hurdle and learn the art fror form and we didn't have video backthen so Youd have to watch still pictures and books and look at you knowa D, an try to okay, that's what it looks like and but through trial and error. You know Iwas I was for lentless. I just wanted to be the best that I could be notknowng what that meant at that time. Well, a hurdles a little bit moreforgiving than a split rail sense. Othat was good, gyeah it'Syeh you o geton Gi, even though they're forgiven they leave right than so Ronalda. Did you ever run on acinder ash track? That's all I ran on. You know ninegrade tenth grade yeah I had. I had a badfall on a cendo track, whit a big strawberry hip, so so today's kids,when they see these synthetic tracks and like guys it wasn't always that wayto you talk about being soft g. You followit, O strawberry. You know Iwasn't a track guy, but our baseball field was our outfild went into thetrack at our high school complex and I doe for a ball on the track, and I canremember I just had synderashing my arms and my hand. You know from divingand trying to catch it, and you know I know a lot of guys thathad have fallen on that and to think back. That's the tracks. We had that'skind of insane, almost trike, it's crazy. I even tell people we had we hadindoor track, but we ran outdoors, it's just the winter season. I RememberWestfield New Jersey, we'd run e racist. There they'd have a two two t twentybank track outside in the middle of the track, so the football field and wehave meats there and it's like thirty twenty some degrees and you'd warm upin the gym and go outside with your gloves on your skull hat and have torun a race and but that's what we knew and everybody did that today. You know,you'd have a revolt, they wouldn't even think about going outside and anyone,but they don't have to a lot of places. They have indoor facilities now in highschools. So you told us the story about why you got into hurdles you. It soundslike you had pretty immediate success as a hurtpler, because I know you werevery accomplished in your high school careers Ar Hurticler. how Di tell usabout that progression and when you knew what I'm actually really good atthis and how that progressed. I just happened to have the greatest advantageknown to man at that time, which was rod. Milburn's coach Rob Mobern used tobe the Pora war, recor holder and I lonk a gold metallis. This coath DickHill lived in New Jersey, maybe about thirty minutes from me, wilber Ross,who wrote the hurtler's Bible they've been Willingboroh New Jersey who taughtDick Hill Russ Rogers, who was an Olympic forhindo meter hurdler, who wasalso the coach at Essex County College...

...at which later he went on to fairlyDickonson, lived in New Jersey and whene. My High School coach, GeanPoquett, who was a swimmer by trade, said he has this kid. WHO has sometalent? He called these guys and they will show up at my practice, all ofthem every day, and so they molded me into what Ibecame, and it was incredible because I had the greatest minds known to man inone place, and so my greatest asset was my technique, and you know my fluidity,but that was because it was cracked by all of these guys and then my coach inpoquette was. He knew how to get me in shape and train me in puritization,which wasn't really known back then, and I became this Fena of a fitness guywho's in tremendous shape, who erun a four hundred or two hundred and eighthundred. I could do all that and then I had you know. Almost perfection is came tomy technique. Put on all that together it was just a matter of staying healthyand you know I used to run the the Clegat high hurdles against high schoolguys. I was that good and I didn't like that because I was worried. I had toget beat I'm running over forty twos and they're running over thirty nineand I was destroying them, and but it was all because of these great mindsthat were with me all the time and they all checke their egoes at thedoor. They all brought certain elements to the table, and so I alway tell everybody yeah I had tohave the talent, but I needed the instruction to be able to understand,and the other thing is that a lot of people know how they knew. Why so, theycould say words to me that allowed me to visuallize imatry in my head what they were saying, because coachescan tell you something, but a lot of coaches can't show you how to do itbased on their age or they were never that athlete, and I guess my greatestgift was. I could internalize visually what those words were saying and just seeit in my head andreplicateit to perfection, which I guess was inmcanny at the time I justbecause of my love up it. It was just who I felt I was born to be a hurdlerand I was so graceful and artistic and I just loved everything about it, yeah, so so so you're in high school you're.Getting this great coaching, you know and you're going through all thisethings. When did you start getting that recruiting? When did those collegecoaches come start? Looking at you for calling you well okay, so I went from ninth gradethey heard about me. Ninth Grade, I go to tenth grade, I run winter track andI pull a hamstring in the first race inever en a shuttle hurdle relat ripped.I mean right up at where the attachment is so the next time I ran guys fromJanuary of my sophomore year. I didn't run again till spring of my junor year.It took me that long to see specialists who could who could diagnose theproblem in the treatment it was actually the New York jets medicaldoctor, my follow as Takin me everywhere and then within two months Ibroke the state record, so I ran fifteen three in ninth gradeand then I ran e Thond, Thir Hunden and six in eleventh grade and then I ran Hdthir hundrend, two twelve nine as asenior. So my progression is ridiculous because it's not natural progressionbut in between there was an injury and then all the time that I was on thesideline I was A. I was a for Pono student. When it came to the hurdles Imean, and I wanted to be ready n when the guy gave me the chance to get backout there and and when it happened. You know I was ready, but yeah. I tell kidsall the time. He'll tell me. Don't I always tell them. Don't look at my ageogressions because they don't make sense. You know I went from Fifeen ThreTho Tir Tenen, six to twelve nine. That does happen like thatyou know, but, andso I was getting recruited to answer your question. Guss when I broke thestate record t thirteen six as m my junior year. That's when people startedtalking about me and my owny goal and ambition at thatpoint was if I can get good enough to go to school on a scholarship, becauseI knew I wanted to go to college, then that would make my parents happy.You know proud. I didn't even know what a scholarship meant like you know: FullScholarship, half scholarship quarter scholarship. I just thought you knowI'm going to get a scholarship to some extent and yeah, and but I didn't hikemyself seriously like I was the fest in the world or country. I just thought Iwant to be good enough. Tot people would want to. You know, give me aneducation when you're running a thirteen six in high school. Is thatalready better than the best of the NCAS? Well remember: In High School therethey ere thirty nine inches, and I u...

...laeis, O Forty two, so okay, it's noton par atal. Now, when I tak or yeah well, my senior year when I was runningthe forty twos, which are the college heights, I rand thirteen five so yeahit was on par because they ere running thirteen five thirteen four at best atthat point, wow yeah, so Ihu we did yeah valet stay and play on your next,get away to Los Angeles. The Western boneventure hotel and suits offerseffholist access to all the city of angels has to offer whether you'rehoping to catch a concert or sporting event. Our hotels just moments awayfrom all the action and accessible to Hollywood, beaches, museums and themeparks. The package includes a guest room and valet parking for reservations,use promocode PSF in the codebox when making your online reservation or callone two hon three, six, two four one thousand and ASF for Promo Code, PS, f.How did you pick marilynd? I'm sure there were a bunch of schools,especially from the south, recruiting you. So how did you? How did you pickMaryland over everybody else? I I went all around the country, I wenteverywhere, USC Ula, Alabama Tennessee, my school was Tennessee. I wanted to goto Tennessee. They had they had their own track. Stadium was the firstrecruiting trip that had their own track. Stadium Tey, ironically, did not offer me ascholarship because they thought I was a high school flash. I would kind oflike burn out. I couldn't keep it up and to this day theell the coach is nolonger lie, but he disputed it. He says I probably wouldn't have gone thereanyway. I said he didn't even offer me the contract, the scholarship, but andthen I was on a a recruiting trip at USC andI remember being at it southern California, and I just felt they werearrogant. You know they had their their ring of stars or whatever you call it.I yeah on their campus and they were pointing to all these grates and Theyo,telling me that if you want to be great, you're Goinna have to come out here,and I was looking at the ring of stars and at that time many of those stareswere east coast, guys right dude. These are east coast guys, and I said wellguess what, if I'm, that good I'll come out of here and kick your butt, but I'mnot coming here and an they had a ender track, still o yeah. It was inferior atthat time. So it was a great southern caw because it was a football factoryat the time right so track was on the comeup, but they had a cender track andI had bad experience with send e track so yeah. So then Marylan happened to be one of the best teams onthe East Coast. You know there ic four, a champins twenty two years in a rowprior to I got there. My mother had passed away when I wasfourteen, so itwas this, my dad and my brother, an my sister and I so mylogical question was: How would I be able to get home with any regularity insouthern cows way too far? Anyone right so Marylyn was far INOUG. It was aprominent program and it was a three and a half hour drive and that's and Ihad and and quite frankly I hid my best time as a on a recruiting trip atMarylynd SC. My Chaperon was Miss Hawaii. That was very intimidin. I'm this young guy, I'm shy guy andyeah. She was beautiful, but it didn't resonate with me like they wanted it to.You know right. It was too much for me. It was like Whoa and but Marylan. Youknow I had a great time with what to track guys with some of the students onthe campus and it just felt right and that's why I chose it now. Were youonly a track athlete in high school, or did you play the sports? No, I was astarting quarterback yeah. I was Ju trarting quarterback and then I gothurt my fifth game in my senior year, actually corrack the RIB my track.COACT was happy about that and, and I was recruited for football, I chose track because I was only fiveten out of high school, a hundred and fifty five pounds hundred and fiftypounds- and I just said I'm a little small and thenit Marylyn Marnlin was arunning school udink. You know team, they didn't throw the ball that much.You know ten times, maybe a game, and so even though I had played football, Ijust I felt that track was in my best interest yeah. What was your best?Forty time? Four nineteen wait: Yeah F une nine yeah, four nineteen and I'verun four four over hurdles for forty yards. ICAN be a lot ut t yeah yeah. Sowhat would your I'm trying to think f what your splits would be at ten?Twenty, an an forty I mean it's pretty so like Darryl, I've watched derrylgree because I played with Darrol Darros fast at the Redskins, and Iremember my rookie year. We all had O run s when you come in and offseason orwhatever that is, and- and...

...he was the same about you know a tenyards. Everybody was Kan. There then there's a big split between everybodyand, like the fast guys, hat ten to twenty and then from two thsand y oforty, just no one was even close, like it was just amazing to see how he couldjust I mean that explosiveness. At that point I mean, is that? Do you think?That's like it's all in the start? Obviously, but Imean that's just four one. Nine is incredible. Well, when you know how torun see everyone as clint says everyone man has to know his limitation, soyou're, a professional football player. You have that skill set basketball, alot of people don't know how to run they can run, but they don't runefficiently right, we're trained to run efficiently. It's body positioning,it's Lebers, so, for instance, when I was with the niners, they always wantedto to challenge me to run TS, and I would say I don't want to run forty. Isaid, let's run sixty year longer and they go why I said, because I'm notreally that great at ten fifteen meters, but the longer it goes, my power. Myspeed comes in so like te Whia, Jerry Rice and those guys would be with mefor like fifteen meters and then after that it was like gonsvill. You know itjust widens white and white, and I just couldn't understand where that speed and power was comingfrom when they were right. Next to me at fifteen- and I just said because I'myou know build runners, we get going. You know right and I know how to runyou N W. You see a lot of guys, whoe, UNs, they're, moving their hands realfast and all that, but the legs aren't doing anything and we were on theopposite: The Hands Catapult the legs and we have H M in unisentil every stepis a powerful step going in the right direction. A lot of guys are running upand down siways twisting and that's that's not helping them move forward.We arein the forward position and we were UN effortless. They one of thechallenges ihead would Joe Montana and he'll. Tell you to this day is that itwas hard to throw to me because it looked like. I wasn't roady and Ithrowit a ball. I'd be already passed on the greak. You know coming out ofthe break and the balls behind me and he's Sik. You don't look like you'rerunning where everybody else is moving their Ond, your heart. He kind ofanticipate how they're running and but that's because we're trained to runeffortlessly because tha, the more relaxon your body is the more itrespons. It's not the other way around. You don't have it wound Tigpt, you havea ran, wow loose! That's why? If you you do a lot of sprint and you're tired,Say Tho, third or fourth one. Usually your fifth one is your best one,because you're so tired, you relax anright. I didn't put out that mucheffort and I still ran a good time. It's like yeah, because you ombodyresponse to relaxation not INTENSI and at's a mindset. You know yeah. Sothat's why I say it's training, but the'reall green was special specimen.He could he could run with anybody yeah he was fast. You know. The other guythink about when you talk about like relaxed is was, is always Randy Mosswhen I played with Randy, because he could be sixty yards downfield andnever like struggling stressing where you see a DV trying to keep up withthem as falling over his feet and is so looks so uncoordinated a he's, justkind of running and really not very effortless. Like you talk about t andthen just the football jhis lands are he's not ye and it's amazing and hadsomething left in the tank that if he needed a burst, he could burth to getthe ball right. An he could separate yeah. So he had ahe had fluidity in hisrunning. That's that's! That's a gift. You know not everybody has that yeah. He was just. He was a fenal. YouO you don't see guys his height six four with that kind of footspeed andsluidity Irenalto. When you got to Maryland, then did you have immediatesuccess? What was your college career like and also for those that of US Haid?Don't know? How does it work with a college track and field athlete? Areyou able to do international stuff still or do you have to? How does thatwork? Okay? So when I went to Maryland my first two races, I lost and I wasn'tused to losing, and this is a true story. I told a toon, my teammates,that if I didn't want my next raise, I was quitting because then it wasn't fun.You know. I think it was just more the pressurethat you know hereis this highly towted kid and we want to see what he does andthe third race of my indoor season. That year was the cyome and it washosted by Marylyn. So now all the pression in the world is orn me it's mythird race I' lost my first two and as as I would have it, not only didI win, but I broke to world record in that rist EA, my third rades amycolledia career, so that Catapol all the th, the story that went behind that I was you know I', never lacke confidence. But I wasvery hard on myself and I took my...

...training sessions very took them seriously. So I wasn't. Iwasn't A. I didn't play a lited practice. You know I didn't want. I was too pride for losing what's notacceptable in my book, because I just felt a was better than everyone and andI needed to push myself. I didn't want to just win racist going through themotions I was out to do. You know I don't know it's just a bad mindset. Iguess is that why? Why do anything? If you're not going to try to get betterat it? You knowi not there just to waste my time you know, I don't need todo it. I blamed that on coaches, becausecoaches, you know, push you to elevate yourself and be thebest that you can be, and I took that literally we had a good team, and so my teammateswere very supportive. We competed in practice for some reason. These guyswanted to beat me and everything you know an indimal training and all that,so we probably had some some phenomenal close to word record performances inpractice. Just because guys were testing me all the time. You knowseemes like this. This freshman can't do this and- and I didn't back down youknow, the only thing you could do is beat me and that's fine. I wasn'tafraid of a challenge and I think was that, what's the worst can happen, Idon't win, but it wouldn't keep me from trying to do my best and if you beat me,I was going to run you to the wall, and so it made me and everybody around mebetter and we were man. We were. We used to have like a quarter of thestadium full watching our training people will just come out to watch whatthe heck was going on, because there was some amazing times yeah to driver. Did the football coachesever come over and say hey you want to come over and play receiver. We knowyou played football in high school. I know a couple of guys my team thatran went out for the team. I just watched because I went to theGames and I saw that you throw five to eight times in the game. All they dobuts block on Li e I'MNOT GON NA go out. There get beat up and blockin these bigguys and and I'm not I'm a receiver. If I'm going to go out there, so Marlyndidn't trow the ball enough for me y a they t start throwing a ball tillboomer got there and- and I was gone by then so, but you know football y A. Igrew up playing football and I love the game. Never in my willace dream a thought Iwould ever be. You know in a position to play, play te game. Itjust fate, and you know the White Car proaching me in Chris Collinsworth atthe superstars, and you know telling me how great I was and they need a guylike that out there and me not taking them seriously. UNUNTIL billwarbillwalsh called me perpersonally. You must have crossed paths with theUniversity of Tennessee that, while you were in College, Oh yeah was thatsatisfying, I'm assuming you would beat them yeah. I mean Wily Golf Stills, one ofmy dear friends o this day and so Willi, and I were like book ends, and so Iwould I would go to University of Tennessee with him and train and thefootball guys. You know the hear that I was coming on campus and they show upand watch US train and Willye would kick my behind all the time andpractice I just couldn't get. I was not a practice guy. I worked on my craft TApractice. You know where I cone my my fluidity and my technique and worked onthings in this case Willy. I guess it was a chance for him to show everybodyon this. You Know Reggie White and those guys that he was at good and hewas kicking my tail and then we go to the meat and he would I just blow hisdoors off. He just say: Wait a minute man I was. I was beating Yo in practice.I go well. Some people, people practice and some people race. I practice topractice and you are getting up and that's how it was all the time waswhoever I trained with. They would kick my butt because they would get somotivated to kind of measure themselves against me, and I was just working onthings in practice, feel it was a feel think for me and then I would take allthose buttwhippins that they gave me in practice and build it up to this. Likeanimostity like this idn't happening again, and I would just blow theirdoors off when actual race took place and they were like who are you? I hopwell, some people were practice, PRAC players and I'm a race player. So whenyou had a run in superstars and you had to run into sand, bathere agree to show me his video. Ithink he was racing. Willie goall H, I think, in the sand, and he slipped alittle bit and then he still beat him yeah that had to be crazy fan yeah the superstars was was a greatexperience for me because you know you measured against America is thegreatest athletes America's creates. You know sor of football players andbaseball players, all these sports, and so then there's this little track. GuyAnd you know what can this track Guy Do? Well, they didn't realize that you know whenyou only train two hours a day track gives you a lot of other hours to getbetter an other the things- and I remember I tell the story all the timethat when I entered the swim contest,...

...fifty yards twenty five each way and Ijumped adove in the pool when a gun went off and at the end of the twentyfive meters I did a flip turn and came back and when I came up and touchedeverybody looked like they had seen a ghost like. Who Are you? How do youlike? I don't know if it was a sterotype thit Blak, guys can't swim,let alone do to a flip turn and I did this iturn and I said guys I grew up anU N. I went to the Wy, I swam, you know I'm not maybe your typical guy, but Idid that and then you know or when I was I hadn't swon golf club and I tooka couple instructions: laybe, fifteen twenty minutes before it was closest tothe pen, my first two one in the water, a my thire Oneon, my four feet from thepen and the guys had just pissed or very ppresse, two hundred nd eightypounds and I'm a hundred and sixty pounds, and you know, Mark Gastono whodid three or five everybodyis, saying yeah we're pound for pound this littleskinny guy, I stronger than you- and you know I just you know I just did what I did. Youknow wher I you know I set the superstars bowling record at Twu,twenty six and they're Gong. You know I won tennis, you know well, as be tennisplayer, I played my college. Roommate was a tennis player on the Maryman Iplaye, so they just like. How are you doing all these things? I said I got alot of time after two hours of practice. I'm out there doing these other things.Hav Been Fun, but it was cost training for me, you know right and then theother thing that my biggest advanise that no one ever figured out was when asuperstars competition was going on. Who was right in the middle of ourArbour training season, so I was getting ready to be in shape to startmy season because it was always December in January, and I woal startaround February. Football had just ended, so these guys are beat up antire basketball, they're not going to do, but so much because their seasongetting started April. First is baseball right, so I was the only oneprime ready to be competing, and so ias kicking these guys. BLUTS and TAT tidngo over well, sometimes because you know mytismo guys want to win. Theydon't want this little skinny dude beating them, but iwas o all aroundathlete. You know, and they were all great Reggie, Reddie Jackson, Gasto, no bobby, Barry Bonds. All theseguys t Mike Schmidt, you know F, they were wonderful guys tome. I got the meet people that I read about and watched on, TV and and Chris Collinsworth and Dwight. LikeI said they are, they were marreling at my talent and just thought that I could you know Icould play football and I ways tell the story that the next daybill, walh called my hotel room at the superstars said he was bill wash. Ithought Chris and De Wigt were playing a joke on me and I hung up on him and hour. So laterhe calls back and he says no Renaldo. This is coach, Walsh Ia, never heardcoach Walsher's voice, so I didn't know so. I said if you are coach, walth callmy agent and I hung up on him again and then about two plus hours later myAsian calld moes. To is realdo. Did you hang up on Gilwalsh? I said that wasbill walf. He goes yes, I go wow so yeah. That was my planmi. I hung up onhim twice wow, I'm trying to remember back. I love thesuperstars as a viewer who were the WHO are the host. Was it the money nightfootball crew or I can't remember who like in then Swan? Let's see, was Frankgifor to who frankdiffert was the mainfost yeah? What's the other Guy Cusel, never did it. No, that mighthave been below his yeah dept H, probably yeah, Amad Ra shot was doingit. I think Nancy Lieberman was a part ofthe team, but fine giffer was the main host, because it's Interesti Yeah wasABC yeah. That was, that was a great. I love that ship an it was fun. Could youimagine trying to get athlete to do that today? There's no way that anybodywould do it. It make too much money they're not going to risk getting hurt,especially when you see the Probo would happen, a couple guys getting hurt onthe sand game. So they're not going to try any of that kind of stuff get hurt.You know too much money involved. Well, the problem with the Probo one was: itwas all football players and- and you know you put a bunch of footballplayers in a room together- it's Koing tof, get kind of nuts but yeah what I liked about superstars, like yousaid it was just al athletes from all different sports and so at'scompetitive, but it doesn't. I don't think it has the same crazy ness thatyou that you would get when all the football players were together, becauseour coaches would try to have us play these really safe football games and-and you know where it's a workout but you're. Also it's it's not really sevenon seven and things like that, it always gets intense yeah. I Shoulalways make you intense yeah and, and when you do the superstars most guysare fans of the other guys. You know.

So it's your first time, if you haven'tmet them before it first time being in their presence and then it's seven outof ten event, and not all of us do most of those events. So there's a level ofhumility that you're just there having a good time and measuring up not do youget competitive yeah, but you can only get so competitive if you haven't donecertain things, but what football? The common enominatoris like machismoversus machismo and at some point the level goes up and the intensity goes uphere. You know if you're, not a good tennis player, you're, not a goodtennis player. You know so you're doing your best just to get the ball backright. You know I mean so that's so that's! What's a level of of humilityacross all all sports start your day, sunny sign up at the Westen BonaventureHotel and sweets and enjoy breakfast for two on us, no matter how you planto spend your trip to Los Angeles start every day with a hearty meal to kickstart your morning enjoy breakfast for two on US each day. You stay forreservations, be sure that primocode SFOR B appears in the Promo codeboxwhen making your online reservation at Mariottcom, backs, lax, bw or call oneight hundred twoo, eight thuannine Te udred a D. Ninety and ask forPromotional Code Sfor B, Renaltho tell us about what quait were you at Maryland. Iguess you ould have been like maybe a juior or so when the Olympic trials arecoming up and tell us about that. Experience of the boycot and everythingyeah, it's a kin to what just happened. Now I was a junior so and I was thefavorite to win the Olympic trials. I think I guess in February so PresidentCarter announced that the that we might boycot if the Russians don't leaveAfghanistan, so we were concerned, but we still hadto prepare because the Olympic trials were still going on you know, and so,if you don't go to th Olympic trials, you can't make the team. So you knowI'm going to Olympic trials anyway and then, on the heels of that the miracleon ice takes place. You know we beat the Russians. So now I'm thinking, okay,the Onein Olympians got to go. They beat the big bad Russian, so maybewe'll get to go and of course that didn't happen, but I never knew if Icoetd another chance to represent my country. So the not going to theOlympic trials was never not going to happen. For me, I was going and- and Iwas a favorit and I did win in Lik of trials Andso. I was happy about that, but ittolk me probably about twenty years, so you want to talk about it because itwas you know so Outopi of every amateurs career. You know, and I metguys and Gals wo. This was their last and only in Lik the pick trials to make.So they would never even have a chance to make a team again. You know theyrebecause back then, if you were twenty six, twenty seven that was consideredold in sports back then especially being anAmeteur athlete, and so that was the imphetus for me really, when football came, knocking on thedoor gave me a chance to prolong my athletic career because there was.There was talk of a second boycott which there was there's: the East Block,Eastern Block Country Boardcothtet, one thousand nine hundred and eighty fourOlympic Games. So those games now were going to be watered down, and so Ialways tell everybody. I was a college Gradua, one thousand nine hundred andeighty one and I needed a job, and so the forty niners not only gave me a job,but they prolong sustain my my professional career. It gave me aprofessional career and then, while playing with tdeniners, because once Isigned the contract they banned me because no, I was no longer an amateurat the time they said, and so I fought for rein statement, but one thousandnine hundred and eighty three within t a year of me playing with the niners.My sport turned professional, one thousand nine hundred and eighty three.So I had guys car los in the likes making more money than I was, and I wasgetting my butt kickd yeah your first practice with in iters. How did that go like? What do youremember most about trying to I mean you haven't played football. What fouryears right right it was it was. It was interestingbecause again, there's a certain element of guys on ateam Ryin Lot. In particular, it was a fan of mine, but when he put thathelmet on he was a freaking football player yeah. So it didn't matter what I used. Tl didnow, I'm between the lines. Now it was very it was challenging. I won'tsay it was intimidating because I had an arrogance. I was the best in theworld and I got ten guys to help me do whatever I have to do. So, I'm notafraid because I have help when you're around the world and you don't speakthe language and there's seven guys trying to take you out that could beintimidating with fifty sixtyhosand people in the stand. So that wascomforting for me, but in also bill...

...lost more than anyone was a great fanof my. So I didn't see behind the scenes, because I had my helmet on thebill would tell those guys ronning the bib dbs to White Hicks to back off,like when I, when I'm running route and all that they couldn't hit me. I didn'tknow that I found that out later because he didn't want what I found out through my career withbill. Is that bill took it personally that he had toprotect the world's Greadas hurtler? You know he wanted me to benefit histeam, but he did not want me to get maimed on his watch right, because thatwas something that he would be health responsible for, because I was the besthurler that ever lived at the time and everybody is watching everything thatwas going on with me and him. So that was good and bad. I I had the utmostrespect for that, but I was very frustrated because bill would limit mytimes a plane because there's kind of like okay you'e having a good game. NowI want to sit you down for a while, like I don't want you to get overlyexposed because you know gust the longer you play the more opportunitiesyou have to get hurt, oh yeah, and so he would set me and I'd be frustratedand then bill decided that I would play more when we played onturf than I would on grass, and he said to me well because you're faster onturf and I said Bill. If I'm fastered in Everyboddy, it doesn't matter whatthe surface is, but I think he just felt with the given th give of thegrass and all that I could get hurt. I could blow out at knee and all that,and so he know so. I knew in the team new when we playd a team on turf. I wasprobably goint play seventy percent of the game righ. You know I have andthat's good and bad, but because not all the games, drawon turf and then weweren't playing on turf. You know I play it me twenty percent of the gameyeah, it's too bad. You have a video from you run on that Cinder ash track.You say: Look Bill, FEO, faster everybody, I'm running on a CinderashI', send the track. That's funny! So you go through yourtime and you get back into You'e able to train O. obviously inthere's an offseason in football, but did you train all year? Did you go outto the track still and do your track workouts through the football season?Or did you wait? Did you take that time off? No, so from the moment I signewith the Niners, I knew that I was going to be banned, and so I was fighting fror. Myreinstatement not because I wanted to run track, but because I felt I had thelegal right to run because playing football wasn't going to make me abetter hurder. It was OIT was detrimenal to my health, and so I didthe formality of that and then, when they rein when they opened the sport upto professional in eighty three, and it was a lot of money and I was a big namein the sport I knew I could make more money running than I quilt playing. Not onlythat Gustin Dave that one of my frustrations was with the niners. Isthat because of M my my inconsistency of playing time, Ifelt tha was sitting on a talent that I would never get to use again. You knowI only had a shelf life and I didn't give up running when I could run everyday. Just sit on the sidelines, not using my talent and that's how I wasthinking when I was on the sidelines. Oh Yeah. He I keep up one thing and I'mnot getting this time back and, as time goes on, I'm not getting a chance touse my talent and as much as I love this game, I want to be a full timeplayer. This is what I signed up for. Injuries are part of the game, so billa yew that word about me: Getting hurt long term. This is not going to be thevehicle for me, and so it gave me more incentive to fight more and more for myrean statement and then in eighty six ight, an in of aihty five when my firstfour years were up and the Niust wanted to resign me. I said: If I'm not going to be able toplay more, I'm not going to sit on my talent anymore. So let me go back forrunning, because now I can run every day and utilize his talent and makemore money right and that's what I decided to dosoid. You Oh go ahead G. IWASJ SA. What did you do after the forty Nineer Sen? What was your careerpath after that? I was reinstated in eighty six, so Iwent right from the niners back in the track and Fiel as a full timeprofessional athlete now, because it was no longer an Ameteur. So as far assponsorships and stuff, you were not able to have sponsorship contracts as anamageur right correct. But now you can correct yeah Soa, ponsor yeah, you wererunning billboard and that's where you're, the bulk of your moneies werecoming from, plus you're getting paid to run. In addition to that so who, asyour first big sponsor Puma yeah, they pay me a hundred n twenty five Sandollars, an eighty six HM, I'm not yeah. Eighty six. No I'm sorry. They pay me ahundred twenty five thand dollars in anteen eigty before the Wayat trustfunds, and- and so when I trust so...

Puma wanted to sign me and there was aloophole in NTA saying. If what was it, if you could still run track, you justcouldn't run for your team and so ihad already won three NTA championships,but they could pay me to money. It' going O Trust Fun. A trust trusty wouldgovern it, meaning for my expenses and household expenses, and only thing Iwould be giving up is giving up my place on the Marylan team. So I'm likeokay, I've, already wan three ANDC D Blak Championships. I can still runtrack. I just can't run with these guys and thow. I'm et paid a hundred twentyfive sen dollars and it didn't go overwell with the coach, but I did itbecause right, you know, so I started making that it yeah as a junior in incollege. So how do you feel now that athletes can get paid in NC A it's a mixedbag Guss? I don't know howyou you know because of the obviously title: Nine Yeah, that's a challenge. How do you quantify an athletes value, meaning that is itjust on Jersey, sales and imaging t so tha, the quarterback or whoever thestar receivers makes more than the others. Hi Mean Howis, tetr parody. I do think I would be more in favor hray, justthrowing out a number that you know if you gave ery athlete a thousand dollarsa month or whatever, just as a sake of a number, that's at least that's betterthan what they're getting right now, because you can't even have a job wherethe average student can have a job. You know that you know the requirementsnowadays in the sports and football. It's pretty much full time. I just think you open up Pandora's box.I'm all in favor or you put it in a an annuity for everybody. You know youcome up with some amount and it's ann annuity that grows tax deferred for a certain time, and that might be worthyou know a hundred or two hundred thousand dollars by the time, Thoy'rethirty years old. If, for instance, I think that's more in line because you can justcontribute to a pool. Just like you know our collected bargaining agreementright, you know they based on number of beers. You know it's parody. You knowit's note dollars for credit. Thi Season is not because you were a staryou get more. It is what it is. So I think if they came up with that kind offormula, I think it would be a nice nest teak for everyone at a forseabletime, say age, thirty, that wouldbe and it could grow to you know a hundred twohundred ousand dollars. That's a lot better because it' sitting at the end,as opposed to ongoing payments, which I think it gets dicy because you know there'salready teating- is going to be real. A lot of cheating when you come to well,I mean yeah, it's. What are the rules or you know, you're, going to see likethe five starters on the football team were the top guys driving new cars anddoing commercials for local CAR OT saind right? That's what I'm saying. Soif you can take that out and fors everyone to put pool the money, so youhave a billion dollars or whatever it is to go across whatever the schoolsare. That's but you're right, you don't t, take the star players and they'regoing to get all e the benefits and then it's a problem. It's a big problem! So what do you? What are you doingcurrently? So I have a sports marketing companyI've had since thousandand eleven. I used to work with octagon here in thepyasons for thirteen years eleven years and I went out on my own in twothousandand eleven and it's just Olympic track and feel athletes, and Ido all their marketing and a lot of their events and I do consulting for a track reserviceing company, sosometimes I meet wit, different universities that I have relationshipWik that want new tracks, new football fields etcer, but for the most part, I'm stillmentoring as young as eighteen year olds to my oldest just in Gatlin who's.Thirty, eight, this past February, who still want e top three in the world andand that's been good. It's I've been wanting to wind down in thelast two years and just spend more time at home with my family and pick when Iwant to travel places. But I landed two superstar clients this year. Withouteven recruiting them, they were sent Timmy Chicari Richardson from lse. Shewas a freshman to ran ten seventy five undedfuge and and twenty two flat indte two hundred meters and you know, and then a kid named Kenny, Benericwho's run. Forty four six and a four hundred and what twentyflat in o two hundred, so I guess thits, I'm still going to be inthis for at least one or two more cycles but yeah. How are they dealing with theOlympics being off now, because that Justoh got canceled to them? SureTheyre? What you have to tell them is isprobably pretty valuable.

I have to be very careful in my wordinggusts because they hang on every word. I say like they'll, ask me a blankedquestion. So what do you think we're going to go back to running? I don'teven want to say when I think because they'll hold me to it. If it doesn'thappen, then it's like. I said that, even though I get correspondence fromthe European community every day about wanting to hopefully have a seasonAugust September and October, but I try not to convey that, but as the realityI'm like, okay, everyone is hoping to have a lateseason, but you need to stay fit they're still getting paid, Byr thesponsors. So, for that reason alone, you need to take this seriously, thatyour sponsors are still paying you to first and second quarter payments whichise sizable for sometofg like clients. So your commitment is that you are afulltime professional athlete and you are paid to be prepared and ready, andand not only that what else are you going to do now? They've had to getcreative, you know because some most of all the facilities are shut down totravacts, the Wai, MS etc. They've been going to some parks. Nowsome of the parks have been limited because of the congregation of people,so they're out now riding bikes doing different drills. You know in theparking lots and just trying to you know I call a cost cross trainingthey're doing whatever to keep their minds focused on what they need to do.It's been tough. Some of my younger clients have lost motivation, you know, butthey haven't lost cash in those checks. So I rigt right. I have to let it out.You are professional, so that's my job, really, I'm a cheerleader more thananythinging else, checking in on them making sure that they are doingsomething fitness wise. What Tsay are there? Mostof my athletes are part of training groups, so their coaches are meetingwith them Plib days a week and they are having organized whatever they're doing, but it's on certain times. You know these, you know we didn't have anything. Wehad the Olympic Borcot and we had well. We had the Olympics, which was one ofthose we hope to win gold metal. So something can come out of it.Financially Thot, you know, will be Fortunaane at these youngpeople. They already have financial syou, know, security to extent and theELYMPIC Games are like the icing on the cake. It really it's like a biggerwinful, full fall, but but they had different mindset. I meanthere. I find very few athletes today guysthat truly love what they do. They do it because it pays them right. We didit because we loved it and the money just happened to come along with it,and the money didn't change our love for it, and and I've had to have this frankconversation with most of my athletes when thi start. You know drifting on me and I'm like. If youlove this, you can't wait to get back to it and you're going to stay ready.If you don't love it and you're distracted by whatever it is because,then maybe you know, your staying in poweris going to be limited because thes o love it stay around longer than thosewho just heare get paid yeah exactly. I agree with that. Iagree with that. So were no one of one of the last things we like to do on.Our podcast is called the no huddle and you know Dave likes to fire. A bunch ofquestions just want to remind everybody that they can catch us on the newRADIOCOM APP or wherever they listen to their favorof podcast or under the bigtop at the sports circus so day, fireaway with R, no huddle questions:okay, Wer, although if you were in charge of I don't know and a part of me,I don't know that, like the the committee with the International Trackand field that IAF for it's, it's the World Athletic Federation. Now we justchanged it. They just change Heur name to Waf instead of IAF. Okay, if you'rethe commissioner of that organization, what for a day, what rule change? Wouldyou make? What Wile Change? Would I make wow? That's a tough one. I would say thatathletes wouldn't have to wait three years to change citizenship forrepresentation. You know soesome athletes, who maybe like an American who isn't thatgood or is good, but it's not that good compared to some ar our best, but theseother countries are offering them financial stability to come, representDoha cutter and like sometime million dollars to go, represent cutter.Nowadays, you have to wait three years for that to happen, because people arecrossing allegiances left and right. I woill. Let them do it. I mean theseathletes are trying to make money. It's all about them, trying to make money ina sporthat they otherwise wouldn't be...

...able to. So I would change. I wouldrelax that ruling and there's always a a clock ticking so in three years theymight not even want that person. At that point correct. You might not bethe same person ine right, yeah, exactly you might play football for thenightes for three years and then not be the same track. Guy, that's right, rying lit might be hutting you down bythe way. I was the same track guy well yeah. If you couldn't train thatway, all right. What's your biggest pet peeve biggest pet peeve, the WORL, not that you know like somepeople are just full of themselves and think because whatever they do, I meanI've never taken myself seriously. Most people don't even know that I've donethe things I've done, because I'm just a regular guy and I'm no better than anybody else. So Imy pet peeve is when someone thinks there better than someone else and I'mjust like know: you're, not you nowright. I like it all right, Wer alt.If you're going to make a mount rushmore of the Superstars Woh, I thinkhe would find yourself on it, but if you couldn't put yourself on it, whowould the other four be ho Bob Segrin, because he wantedmultiple times there was a third basement for themotro expose. His name was trying to think of that would be yeah.He Wont it too man, I can't think of. I would put a Wille Gult on it and then I would put what's that gon say Mike Schmidt, but but Mike didn't win it so that fourth, one is tough, the one Ireally want to put, but it's a woman it would be Matinan Nat Ratilova they esedto have the women superstars following our superstar event the next week.That's right and she dominated too. So I have to put her on my Mount Rushmoresuperstar, you just say male of female. So right, just super eahright. I puther on there Hersha Walker. He wanted to yeah that yeah he want, but the guydusty, dusty, deboric, dusty, yeah yeah, the volleyball player N. No,not him. There's another dustes, a Montro EsipalExpo third basement Ho was an all star after his first or second year, he'sreally good, really good hove to look hem up. Yeah. Look at I'm just thinkingTim Wall like I know it's not Tim Walle, Yeah Yeah. I can't think of whot. That isyeah alrig. That's a that's! A solid MountRoshmore yeah, it's pretty good! So my friends I didn't want to put them onthere. Rinaldo do you know who I coach? Thatis currently an NFL running back. That was a high school hurdling champion four years in a row. Thad you coached, yes, herdman champion,he's playing out he's playing now for the Dallas cowboys superstar, no really Zik Yep, I coach Sek in high school. That's thehigh school lie coach and I used to watch him run all his he'd leave ourfootball practice and go work out for hurdles. I remember when the first timeI saw him her little guy- and I said to my so oneone of my friends I said, he's hurdle before ois it just the way he did it. Isaid hes hurdle before, but I didn't know he was a hurtlur. That's pretyyeah his times are pretty good. If you look them up, not as good as yours,obviously- and I don't think he ever went to forty two- but I think that'swhy hi didn't run in college, you got well, he made the right choice, O meyeah, he should be Heis. He is good. DaumRinaldo you've ran track all over the world. What's your favorite sportsatrack venue that you are a a participant in so my favorite that they no longer runevents there anymore was in colon Germany. They had the most beautifulstadium that have ever seen at the time the most renowned stadium is Zoric,will Klasa every year and then the most incredible stadium. That bar none iswhere we had the world championship this past September October and doehawkcutter, but when it was an air conditioned stadium, that's overoutside ope hundred plus degrees, and it was seventy degrees inside and itwas arguably the best performance in the history of the world championships,because sometimes I was cold in there. That's how comfortable it was. I wasofgoonuside just to get warm but yeah. I had never seen an air condition offully air conditioning. You know...

...seventy thouzand seat stadium in mylife- and this was incredible: Wow Yeah. What is your favorite play that youwere ever a part of as a forty niner? It happened in my home state, we're playing the New York giants onMonday night, football, Danny, Donmereda and Frank Gifperson and booth,and I started the game again. The game is on TURF, so I'm starting and the first play of thegame. I run like a I run an out or something and bill called me over it's on hissideline and he goes down to the turf and he draws this play up and he tellsme to tell Joe on this particular play. I was going to be on opposite side. Iwas going to go in motion. I was going to come down he's telling me the GuyCon, be trilling me on the other side and when I go to the out he's going tobe underneath and then I'm going to turn up and tit should be nobody thereand it was a timing pass, and so I tell Joe- and I said Joe Bill says,throw the out to me and there'll be nobody there, because the guys trailingme and below and behold I you know, Doi comesunderneath. I cleared the white I go day out so that turn my head to ball.Is there I catch the ball? I look up the field. There is no one there irunfifty nine yards for a touchdown on Monday night football and my home stateand te Danny Donmane said near my was a bull frog. Did you have a lot of family in thestands? Yeah and I ran over to build- and I said it worke and it worked. Hehad this look like. Of course it was going to work and I was like okay,that's why they calld into genus so yeah Y H. He would do that a lot a lotof times yeah and I callt play I'd, go in with a play, often and Joe. It lookat me and go who that hell call that play and I said, build it and then JoeWul call his own play and I'd come off and buill Wat scream at me. Like that's,not the play. I said he chased it Joe Yeah, but it was. It was greatexperience. You know I couldn't play with a better bunch of guys I mean JoeMontana. was I mean he was a shy guy off to off thefield but N on the field? He was incredible. The most intense back fielwith Ronnie Lod dewite Hi Carlton Williamson, and who was the other Guy Eric right all all pros my first year, all ofthose guys were all pros: Three rookies and Inte White Hicks and of course youknow, Russ Francis and Haxal reynalds. You Know Tite, I mean window Tyler Roer Craig, who was ahurtler at Nebraska, and he and I were you, know big buddies and it was his awhos whose list and then we had the greatest owner at the time, because hewas a players owner right, wed te barter, look at the barlelow, we lovedhim and he loved us and probably a lot of things that he wasdoing for us. You not supposed to do, but the guys loved them. That was the s youcan do whatever you wanted te yeah yeah. Why Wy Wy, Wal West Back then right nowyou now you played in the s when there was some serious hitting going on. What'sthe hardest hit you ever took, so I got knocked out against the Atlanta Falcons running ashaller cross and it was the first time at Joe and anybody had seen a Cambocombination, defense so usually, en your run, an Showf Frost, Gus. You know.If the guys trailing you, you keep going righ look across and you see theguy sitting there. That means it's Zown. Well, they were in a combo. We trailedthe guy on the other side did a wheel. He went back like it was his own and hewheeled back forward but joe had thrown the ball and as I caught it, he spearedme through the chin, and I was knocked out before me. Hit. You know, hit theground and I fell down the ball laid on my chest and it didn't hit. The groundwas just on my chest and I didn't have possession because I was out and the DBpicked up the ball and ran on abated all the way down for a touchtown. Whileeveryone was looking at me, because I thought I was dead and yeah fracturedfor front teeth, because I bit through my face my ohout piece and I thoughtmaybe I had some neck damage, which I didn't. Thank God, and I must hat aheadache for about ten days man. It was incredible headache, todaydhrawn out ofthe game, but lovy can uon. He was smaller than me, so he was only aboutfive. Nine probably made a hundred and fifty pounds, so that probably saved meat that time because he was smaller, but that was a vicious hip, but thatthat that was an aftermath that hurt, because I didn't see that it you know,I had to watch it on film that Monday to see and believe that it happened as it was when I got hit by lt coming across y. u now you get toblot wit, th line, and you feel that I mean like we throw this form throughyour chest and you just like you're...

...buried on the ground. You know gthose guys Tauk Trash, theytalkd trash, oh yeah, so no one wanted to get. You know get beat by me on anycircumstances, so I got a lot of trash talking all the time and I just had tojust ignore it, but well that was bills fault for sending you across the MiddleYeah back then you know Wewere Attenin Yard, possession team and across themiddle was you know a priority for this team today. You don't see that too muchright. You see these guys downfield t they're, taking advantage of theirspeed right. Exactly good did. Okay, if you could Renolo, if you could goback in time and give yourself ten words of advice, what would what wouldthat advice be Eis? I had to give myself ten words ofadvice, so I've always been a rebel with acause. You know. So if something doesn't make sense with me, I questionat e my Dad used to not like me questioning his authority, but I had tounderstand it. So I think I would I would say you don't always have toquestion everything. Sometimes you just have to go with the flow I'm lottle whild tight.That way, you know one plus one has to equal. Two with me and when it doesn't I'll question, I could have aconversation with you and you can be talking about something if I could seea way to question it, not because I'm not confident in what you're saying,but I want you to expound on it, I'm one that I need texture, you know andI'm not one tit just takes word for it. I don't know what that is about me. Youcan tell me the sky is blue and I'm GOINGNA probably ask you why and if you fumble with that, then thatbrings in the doubt that you know what you're talking about. So that's whatthat's that's me. I'd have to tell myself. Sometimes you don't have toknow everything right all right. So now, if you got ta unwind,if you got to sit there and watch a movie, what's your favorite sportsmovie that you would watch you know Gus, I don't I like more action movies. So I'm morelike the fast and furious kind of stuff and John Clagvon Dam, and you know Ilike that kind of stuff. Just because you know the martial artsor crazy stunts, I like to see mineless stuff a lot ofMut. What's your favorite movie, If you had to go put it on right now, whichone Wald to be it would be wat, sat the Denzil movie, the Antt. He not, heannihilates everybody. What's it called there's a lot of movies hers oning tono the One. An e sets his watch and you know I's justRussians and Oh yeah. I can't I can't remember that yeah dispoce for precision and all thatwhat he was doing and yeah yeah. That's I like movies, like that. So that'sprobably something that I would I' vet hat on right now, we're watching a series, theall American it's on. I think it's on next Flik,that's no flot to yeah thats Lix, the kids and I and the mom were watchingthat I didn't know what it was about, but it's a football team, these guy oneguy from compton other guys from Beviley Hills, and you know he's Addopted into their family, so to speak, and so they have games- and you knowkids stuff. I just watch it with him, but I'm watching that those kinds of things yeah did you haveTiger King? No, I can't get it it's too crat for me. I couldn't watch it eitheryeah, it's just too crazy, yeah and I'm a golf guy. So I you know nottho. There's anything live on t right now, but it's relaxing for me just towatch golf and study and see what they do and my wife didn't understand. I sit infront of the TV for three hours watching golf, but I might I'm alwaystaking notes it' either sit and watchit it or going out and playing for fourhours so either one yeah either one right which I did yesterday. I feltbadly Maryland we're on we're on escential. Only and all our golfcourses are closed but where I used to live in Virginia n Virginia is notclosed. So I Trov over to Virginia to play with some guys yesterday I feltbadly, but it was a beautiful day so yeah they you gotta get out, or elseyou go crazy right, one more day what a e you got all right. What's one skill you wish you werebetter at one skill I wish I was better at my piano playing yeah. I played saxophone growing up andthen I was I was. I can read music and I took lessons with piano w en I waswith the niners and I was pretty good,...

...but if you don't practice it over theyears, you know you lose your finger dexterity and I have a keyboard in my office and you know I'mstarting to play it again, because I want to get more reficient at that,because I love I'm a jazz guy and it's something you can do by yourselfharmony and melody and both hands, and so that's what I that's one of myobjectives, not because of the quarantine but over the next two yearsis to really get proficient in my piano playing for me. For me, you know PLAbeing able to pick up any song and play it. Tough thing is that I like jazz, sojazz is not easy. NO RISER TH! That's that's a tough piano to play right there. That's notslow at all. No, HE RONAUDO DAV AD. We really appreciate you, joy enoug todayappreciate it anddes. I appreciate I em ver much yeah. We thank you for joiningus in the huddle and everyone out there. You can catch us on Radeocom, listen tohundleup with gus or go to our website. Hud Up with Gus docom so gave Donald thanks for joiningme today and I hope Guss Itas, a pleasure and Thankyou for helping USlearn more about alinty o thanks. So much genlemen thanks o all to okay, Hey.We want to thank you for Joying us today on Hotto of with Guss, where wetalk to a wide range of guests about house ports shape to life. As always,I'm joined by my great friend and cohos Dave Hager, and we want you to be ableto follow us on all of our social media at how to Wup with Gus, and we reallyappreciate you and thank you for your time and listening to our podcast.

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