Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

Episode · 2 years ago

Mike Silver

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Mike joined NFL Media in August 2013 after spending six years covering the NFL for Yahoo! Sports. Prior to joining Yahoo!, Silver spent 13 years at Sports Illustrated, during which he wrote more than 70 cover stories. Mike appears on a variety of NFL network Programs and writes columns for www.nfl.com In this episode Mike shares his stories about Gus, Steve Kerr, Dennis Rodman, Bill Parcells and Impersonates Peter King.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to our PODCAST, huddle up with gusts, where we talked to guests about how sports helped shape their life. I'm your host, former NFL quarterback, gusts frod, and I'm joined by my longtime friend and coach, Dave Hagar. We are a RADIOCOM original podcast and you can find us on the new RADIOCOM APP or anywhere you listen to your favorite podcast. Now let's get in the huddle. Hey everyone, thanks for joining us another episode of Huddle up with Gusts. Today, Dave, you and I are going to interview one of my good friends. Been wellknown in a football community for a long, long time. Great Writer, great personality on NFL network. Now you know, he didn't artcle on me back in the days when I played for the Redskins, where we set in my basement drink emaretto because I didn't have any other alcohol. So I get fined it. That's all we could find. But you know, bringing in the huddle with us today and I'm so excited to have him on that. Finally, he's like the it's so hard to get a hold of he's so busy, but Mike Silver's with us. Mike, Thanks for joining us in a huddle today. Well, the reason I'm hard to get a hold of is because I have no idea how to skype. It's been like a year or something, so I am not you know, we're now up and running and guess I just like to let you know. First of all, in case you didn't know, it's football season. It's football season. So Mike and I go way back when I was in the red skins. He came interviewed me and my coach at the time was North Turner, and I was telling Mike some stories about in the work that when nor of use to tell us like hey, it's football season, man, you know you don't take out the trash, you don't do the dishes, all you do is focus on football. It don't matter if you got a family or whatever. So Mike and I take that to the next level every time we talk. Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, one of my wife's talking to me, I don't even hear her. It's football season, I think was the something way I had for bed. Yeah, she wants me to come home and cut the grass. It's football season, I'm not doing it. Yeah, it's fun, it's funny. Because Leslie, silver and and for Rod don't subscribe to that way of thinking quite. You know, they're not. They're not quite down with that program no, Annie definitely is not down with that Pro Dad. You know where as well as anybody. You don't have to wait till March to take out the trash. It's not the fall season for right now. It's it's Today's the day to take out the train. I mean she made me carried our child with a broken hip. So that tells you a lot about Annie. There you go. Western PA Grit is might the greatest, but the greatest gussid any interaction that I ever witnessed, that there have been many, was they were kind of having a discussion about whose family was more challenging to you know, to contend with, and Annie finally dropped the Nuclear Bob and one to fight, as she said, your sister's death and your family hasn't even learned side leguage. So I mean I was a strong Oh yeah, flip so over has been a part of a lot of those discussions. is as Dave has too. I don't think I've heard that one. I not to make a joke about the joke, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure you heard it in so many truly he's in at that point. You just don't remember. That's your doing. That's very good pussibility. For the record, you and I drink Amaretto and I wrote about it in sports illustrated, thus emasculating both of us forever. And now you're talking about drinking truly he's. So you have not become any more masculine. No, that's true. That's no, we're we're on the white clause now, though. It seems more master. It just sounds more MAG got right, cause fly fishing and camping with a white cloth. Yeah, there's nothing better. We're hunting Moose with what? Yeah, we're supersolved that we almost feel like we should go to the doctor and be checked out for you know, I don't know. Dave had the interesting Dr Visit Pointley. I'm just, you know, curious. Yeah, maybe the is directing me in the truly, that's a titian amount. Yeah, like after new in advance. Right now. You gave up twisted tease for truly's. Yeah, the twisted teas, I think, helped with the RECTI. Yeah, but the same notes. So, Mike, we want to go we're going to start back when you were when you were growing up in Callie and San Francisco. What was the first point in your life where you fell in love with sport? Well, that's a great question. I I was born in San Francisco but then moved to La when I was young. So what I was was the kid in La who rooted for all the bay area teams and they usually lost and my friends gave me tons of great I remember vividly a moment and my grandparents house to La. I must have been four or five, and my dad a kind of disappeared and I went and found him upstairs. I think he was listening to a transistor radio maybe watching like a bad black and white TV, the end of a basketball game and I said Daddy, who was playing, and he...

...said all the Los Angeles team in the San Francisco team, but I said, well, who's waiting? He said the Los Angeles statement. I said good and he said no, no, that's bad. We want the San Francisco team. And so from that point on I was screwed it. And that was the warriors and I was a big, forty dire fair grown up, but also a warrior fan and one of the friends I had who gave me tons of crap for being a warrior fan in the Laker town ended up growing up to become their head coach and leading them to three championships. So I actually win in the end, but it took a while, it took a well. So well, one of my favorite people of all time. I'm a you a Grad, and I was there. I actually probably went to win to you there because Steve Kerr and I didn't know where I was going. And Yeah, I was like him, Sean Elliott, that whuld first final four team. I find other places. I go one not just stay. I was living in Su sunnels. It's just stay home and enjoy the right yeah. Yeah, you got a lot of good Steve Kerr stories, a lot of good ones. And Yeah, he's one of my favorite guys. Best shooter Poulli ever arguably. Yeah, and he only got the three point rule in college for one year, one season. You know, that's fifth gear because he had torn his a fell. But yeah, it's you know, I I do feel hardened in that our daughters went to cal togetter. His daughter is a great volleyball player. His son Ed up grant transferre there, and so I've completely converted him to you know, of course he's a wildcat fan because he went there, but he's a psycho cal fan now too, and he went to a cow organ basketball game a couple years back when cal needed a big win to get to the n State Tournament and with about three minutes ago, cal had a nice lated. He texted me and said you know something like this, you know something super positive, and I was like, I texted back and said if cal hold on for dear life, they choked the game and he called me afterwards. He said, is this really what it's like, and I said Yeah, this is you know, it's an affliction, dude. It's sucks, but yeah, so he is. He is one of the best dudes and he knows how hardcore I am about the warriors, which is why I've been a shameless recipient of things like victory party invitations, including Eveld a couple times, and it's been fun. You know. So you talked about how you know that comes back to you dad and how he said you got to root for the San Francisco team and all that truck did you? What sports did you play when you were grown up? You know, we played everything on the streets. I loved basketball and I was like the King of the school until I got to junior high and then heard about this hot shot kid who could shoot better. That was Steve and then, you know, and then we had mandatory desegregation corps order in La and which was awesome, except for being the king of the school. And basketball, which I also took a little bit of there. I had so, you know, not that my athletics as it is not, you know, superior, but you know, so I played. I end up playing high school soccer, which was random. When Ay is so first came to southern California. I think I played the first or second year. So you know now that all my kids have played soccer and I'm a soccer dad and seeing what you know, what a high level kids play a now, I just laughed because, you know, my kids would like you played high school soccer. I'm like, what we played was not when you guys like we were so rude, meentary, no touch, just messing around. But Yeah, you know, basketball was probably by my biggest love and you know, we tried to play everything on the street. Football, I was fine. I had pretty good hands, what I lacked was courage, athleticism and virtually everything else. But I could catch. We could definitely not play a separation. Yeah, not, not great at separation. Yeah, you didn't try out for kicker, you were soccer player. Yeah, right. I should have thought about it enough that I was great at kicking a soccer ball either. But I think I would have been a fine kicker, except for the rare occasions where, you know, they under ten guys couldn't make a tackle on a kickoff or a block Ulbo or something, in which case I would probably have been hospitalized very, very serach and een. This is funny to be because I know you. You must laugh at this. You know, obviously as a guy who played fifty years and then as a football dad. You know these these meatheads. And now in social media there you know in your face constantly who say things like well, you know, during a lockout or a contract to school or these guys who won't play all the play. I'm like, listen, I've been on a sidelines during...

...an fo game. You do not want that, you do not want that. It is you know. I mean me experience. Again, I'll be standing on the sidelines and like an outside run will start coming and, like you start logically going on shout back pedal here and then all of a sudden it's like this crazy fight or flight, but they're really coming. Asked that's that was possible. It's really wrong, violent. If I get it in the middle of his I will die, and it is. You know. That's every single play. And the thought of you just sitting back there, you know, and you were a test as stubborn so sob who stood in the pocket and took his hits and through the ball. The thought and in a different era where guys could you take a couple steps and smash you. I just you had to go to a different place mentally to be able to do that even once. And I just don't think people understand. Like, Dude, just because you played it high school, like it's like Uncle Rico, like yeah, you played high school, maybe like some low level college football. The NFL is insane. I'm gonna tell you one more story and that I will let you go off on this. But I went. I went to London when I was working at yeah, by first year after I left sports, told straight to go to Yado with two thousand and seven for the first London game. It was dolphins, giants and my Buddy Dan, I think you've met, I grew up with them. He he loads bags for you night airlines. Has Flown free as entire life because his dad also did get work for the airline. He's a hilarious guy. And so he heard I was come little London. He was Kevin a London. So we listen. I'll just you know we had a brought he was divorced at the time, and we checked in. I went to the hotel concierge and said, hey, they're like a powdera bar nearby. That would be a good place to go through, because it depends on what you're looking for it. I go we're looking for really friendly women with really bad tea. Did he goes done a lot of that. So now it's like now it's like day three. You know, we went to a soccer game. We're having so much fun. We're and we're day drinking. Got Day three and there's these working class guys in the pub and what are you here for? The American football? American football, that's for fags. And you know, forty five minutes of these two guys telling us how American football players are Sissy's. They have to wear pads. Rugby's a real sport and and I just took it and took it and finally, after forty five minutes, I go hey, dude, let me explain something to you. I go there's a guy named Javan curse. He's like six six, two hundred and forty five pounds. He's faster than any rugby player ever and he's really, really me like his whole family's dead or in jail. You do not want him on a rugby pitch. It would be really bad. And that that was the end of the conversation. Well, people don't understand that. That how insane it is down on the field right. You don't know it until you're in that like for me playing, it's a whole different feeling when you're playing because you practice against it all the time. Then when I retired and went back to the sideline, I'm like, Holy Shit with these guys is fast when I was playing, but you're just in the mix, you don't realize it. But when a guy is, you know, like Jared Ell, I'm was, you know, yeah, six six, defensive end, two hundred and sixty pounds and runs as fast as a receiver. Right, right, you know. And and you know what's other than your infamous, you know, head thing, which I know you have to talk about way too much, what's the hardest, like what's the moment you remember where you just got blowed up in a in a football game? Well, there's a lot of them. The one I talked about most is when Michael Strahan hit me from behind and I pissed blood for for like four days because he bruised my bruise my kidneys. And I remember our left tackle, Joe Patton. You know, that's one of those where you watch the film, he's trying to block him and he just puts his hands out and he's still staying like that and Michael's hitting me and you can see Joe Joe just turn around a film and go, you know, like that. That one, that one I remember a lot. I mean that one hurt, you know, and that's like you in the five getting ready to score. Did you know it was coming, or was it a complete surprised, you know, blind side, like you think you least have like two seconds to throw the ball, but it's like hit fifth step, boom down. Can't remember anything. You know. And then that's one time London Fletcher hit me when I was with the dolphins that we were playing the bills in Miami and a snap count was on two. I was in a shotgun and you know, you raise your foot put it back down and the balls not supposed to come and I'm looking, I'm having a signal and I'm going like laries it again and a ball hits me in a chest and London Fletcher's a actually blitzing in and a gat blitz at that time.

So the ball snap, he comes through, nobody blocks them because nobody moved and he hits me right under the chin. I was like one of the only major concussions I had in the game. Luckily I was wearing one of those hard Chin straps. How many minor ones do you think you had, knowing what we know, don't know that's only things, little things. Yeah, you know. Well, back in the day I've been will you know when they wake you up with Epsoence, with smelling salts? They don't do that anymore. If you've been right, if you've been knocked out, you automatically have when I've been knocked out and woken back up to play again, put back in and yeah, and you go back in like and and, if you know, it's they didn't have a medical ted back then. They had hey, get up you, but you know, we did you. Well, that was the problem that they'd really need one, because a lot of times the worst part about being on the sidelines is if you had to go the bathroom. Oh, you know, and then so many of the lineman would have to, you know, because they're so big and they would drink so much. They would just pissed there. I'm sure you've heard the yeah sor he's so many of the size on her wasn't. Yeah, if your center did it, it was all wet and it was dry out. I'd be like, Oh, what happened? But didn't do it. Well, the craziest story I ever heard was from Tony Sargusa, who played with diarrhea and at halftime was, you know, having some issues and he ends up stay to the trading staff. Take me, and so they courted to Tony. Had have to may take, you know, he's huge, we're may take the two cheeks together and then, you know, put the pads back over and I'm like, that's what you know, you're having a bad day at work. You know, like we've all had days where we're like man, I have a great job, but it's like it's a tough day of work, this is rough. That's that's an epic bad day of work. What did you do? Well, I had to take Tony Sir Goose's ass cheeks walt diarrhea steeped out and then get his pants back on so we can go play another half of football in the NFL. We got to make sure we have Tony when, if he ever comes on about that. Wow, yeah, begin you know, what a show. Get the trainer on. Who did that? Because, oh my God, because he can't. Might have been when he was on the wood tod he ever played for the skins? I don't think the end, but I think it was. I think they were playing against the skins, was the story, and it was probably colds. I'll yeah, you know. All right. So, so you're in high school. When did you start getting the love to write? Well, that's a great question because really, you know, journalism was the love, and so all the president's been. You know, Watergate happened when I was nine, or no, seven to nine. You know, the Watergate hearings I was great. That's summer, listening all the radios we went on our camping trip and depending on papers which have now been, you know, in cinematic form in the movie The Post. They did a good job. So there was a lot of really no bull journalism going on that that, you know, reveal the truth against powerful interests that we're trying to, you know, be corrupt and deceitful. So this is right in my wheelhouse, but right, you know, I really felt. I really felt like journalists are awesome. They're hoping to make our country, you know, better and at our society and you know, I I was really into that. And, you know, sports writing. It's weird because when I was at my junior high in high school paper, you know, if you if you did any other kind of writing other than sports, it was principal mercer today announced that, you know, six Perry and will now and at to thirty one, and it was like it was the most boring, dry thing ever. And like the school papers just didn't care about sports. So they would let you write about your buddies fifty two inch vertical leave for, you know, have some flare and have some fun. And I did love sports and so that was kind of how it started. I also grew up in La reading the LA Times, which has had a great sports section, and again with my dad. So my dad every morning would take the La Times sports page into the toilet and spend half an hour reading the light time sports page and then, you know, start his busy day and so and he was an early riser, so I started copying him. I'd be like, Oh, cool, the Times is out, I'm going to go grab it and spend a half hour of my own and so I was into the writing, I was into journalism, I was into the sports and then, you know, I feel like it's a lot more fun to cover sports because there are more games. You know, it's an easy, artificially a tense world, easily resolved on the scoreboard. I joke with political journalists all the time. I'm like, there aren't enough games, you know, like there's one a like shit every couple of years or whatever. Like, you know, football, we play. We have games every week and another sports more frequently. So you know, and a lot of the things that I'm interested in, you know, are there in the sports world. You know, race...

...relations, those you know, stereotypes, you know human interaction, like they're all there in sports, and I it's worked out well because I have an audience that probably wouldn't listen to me, although otherwise, on some of these things, and even if I'm just even if I'm not preaching, even if it's just you know, I compared Russell Wilson to friend Tarkintin the other day, the scrambling, the knack of when to run, when to throw, and I just think it's so ingrained in our society that black guys get compared to black guys and white guys get compared to white guys. So even just like little tiny things like that, if you could just be one of the voices doing that, I think it just helps, you know, get us a little further right. So you ended up in count how do you pick? COW BEING IN LA did you want to go back Moreth or? Yeah, I always identified with Gor to California. We vacation there every year. I love cal I love Berkeley and you know, I had I had famously like visited one of my aunts there when I was a little kid and got tear gassed. But she wasn't protesting, but she was walking through sprowl plausea during a protest and you know, I just kind of wanted to go back north and you know I was. I'm a product of public schools and, you know, believe in public education and really it's the top public university in the world. I would argue the top university in the world, but it's certainly ranked number one as a public university all the time. And you know, I just I really was pulled north by entire life. I don't hate la like some people, like my parents still live there, my companies there, I go there a lot. I'm going there later today. You know, it's an easy flight, it's a six hour drive, but I've just always felt more at home up here. So did you get a lot of your kind of views, because you do such a good job in your interviews about trying to find that that personal, very personal thing to write about and and, like you said, you have a lot of things that you're trying to bring out and you're writing. Did that a lot of those kind of views come from when you were at Berkeley learning that and learning what kind of what you wanted to fight for? And No, I just think you know, we were taught in junior high and high school. Hey, J Uralists are not the story. You're an impassive, detached observer. You got to be objective, you can't get immersed in it, and I just never bought into that. I thought fairness and accuracy are absolutely my tenants, but I want to get in. And maybe it's self absorption or being in La and not being odd by celebrity, or maybe it's I probably a lot of it was hunter Tom's, hunters, Thompson, Tom Wolf, those journalists who were just going in and trying to imbed themselves and take you into these worlds. That was more interesting to me. So that's what I tried to do, and also just covering theers coming out of college for a newspaper and being a young beat writer like the gem's and the coaches and the scouts didn't want to really tell me anything, but the young players I could like party with or connect with. And you know, I'm growing up with a lot of African Americans. I think at that time, especially journalists, most journalists were such dorks who were so sealed off from society, and there weren't a lot of minority journalists. So I felt like I was one of the few people who could walk into a locker room and, you know, connect with everyone. So I just wanted to connect. And then when I got the miracles sports old stray to call when I was twenty nine, and back then, as I would you encourage you to go hang out with these people off the field, and they kind of wanted to, some of them. So I was like, okay, I have to take it to the next level. And it's Bundy, because what I met you. I don't know if you remember, but like I had heard a story about you. Abbey's a little older than my daughter Natalie, so I think you were a year, a year ahead of me right. And you know, and I've been trying to follow you, you know girl, boy, boy, and you know, similar ages. But he's it's good, great, but abby, I don't think now he was born yet. An Abbey was a baby and you had made the pro bowl and you would the story I saw was you would try to go to the Super Bowl and you just showed up, you and any with your little so when Dabby born, she was in ninety five. Yeah, she was in she was in August, so she would have been as right such. She's been like six months old it's five months old. So the you know, you showed up at the Super Bowl with your five month older you were like cool, let's go to the game, and you were shocked that they were trying to charge her a full price ticket, which I think they did right, or you did. Maybe you didn't go, but we had two tickets and we said, okay, she can't sit in the seat by herself, so why would we worse? Right, she's just going to sit in my lap. So we go to the gate and the guys like no, you can't, she needs a ticket. I'm like, well,...

...like what, she needed ticket, I she got. I have to hold her the whole time anyway, and I said Hey, I'm a former player. They didn't care, and so I was so upset that I just left and we scalped our tickets right there and said you know, and these two guys are fighting over him, and Annie flipped the coin and somebody yelled heads and bought the tickets off us. We just got our money back. You know, we didn't have write runny trying to make more. But the point was, like, she's six months old, she can't. How was she gonna sit in the seat? It's it was. It was like Classic Nfl Stupidity. Now I work for them, but fact that I did right, I just remember like so that was the first thing I asked you because it was such a humid thing and you were so funny and then we connected and then I was like okay, I love this guy. And so you were having a big year the next year and I flew out and you were Ed. It was your charity event and end it was a donor big gala. Donor didner Tyson's corner, like I can't explain to you how big this thing was, but he was the starting quarterback of the Washington redskids, a surprising young pro bowler who was now attached to this donor group. And so it was a big, big deal and a lot of really expensive and and I didn't know Annie, so you end up putting me in Annie, and and Your Business Manager robbed at this table and so you're up there giving like this super personal speech because your father had had a transplant. Yeah, American Heart Association. Yet yeah, it was American Association. So I mean it's it was the most personal speeches and captivated this group. But are you and I are drinking and we start getting the giggles because she's so funny. Know, any says stuff like, you know, God, is he gonna cry? And then she starts making, you know, organ and jokes and I'm like, okay, I can't be the guy laughing, you know, in public, but I could help because she's so funny. So and then that ended up leading to the Amoretto night and then we were kind of like, you know, at that point. I don't even know if it was journalism with me and you, or we just like we're looking for an excuse to hang out. And every experience I had with him was phenomenal except for one, and that's what he made like, I would say, like an Guacamoli and try to claim that was actually better than what I make. He just it's just sad. He tries to say his Walkomoli better than mine. David, you've had my Guacamolie, I've never had his. Well, he will come to Pittsburgh, but he grew up in the heart of Guacamoli was her word. Think he just canced down have it, but I don't think so. I'm I'm trying to get the best ingredients. He's just getting stuff off the trees. It's not there. Can I tell can I tell a little avocado story as an rum, because he's this will established what I was a little kid in Santa Monica and then in in La my buddy Dan, the guy who who went to flout England right. Well, can we call him airline Dan, so we know he is. Yeah, Aroline, Dan and I were we we, you know, we like to, you know, have a little spending money that we didn't really have. So we had this thing where there was an avocado tree next door. We would climb into the yard still a bunch of Avocados, and then there was a safe way a couple blocks away and we would stand outside and under cut the prices it's safe way and sell avocados and it was real cute, you know, all these little kids, but we kept doing it. Well, finally I got out of the business. You know, I'd say like junior high, like it was getting cut awkward right. It was more like it was more criminal, you know. And but my Buddy Greg, who is still one of our best friends, replaced me. So now it was airline Dan and Greg. We're doing it and it was becoming more of an enter a criminal enterprise. So one day, this is crazy, one day I'm driving my old, my old, my parents old, beat up Volvo through Santa Monica, and Santa Marca has all these alleys, right. My Volvo was kind of this distinctive blue and I'm driving through it I hear this hey and I kind of stopped. Well, it was my buddy Greg and airline Dan. We're in an alley with a shopping cart full, just completely full, of Avocados from some nearby yard they have broken into and didn't want to push the shopping cart and Volvo's had these big trunks. So now I pull in and they put all the avacads in the trunk and as we're closing the trunk there comes a police car. Well, my dad, I is a Labor side union lawyer who specialized in representing police and fire associations, including the Santa Monica Police, and he was like kind of the first lawyer, or one of the first in set to California, to ever take on the Labor causes of police associations and he was kind of like a hero because of the S. instead of like the Union reps doing the deal, my dad would like put they they go...

...on strike or and it was crazy times and he got them really, really good deals that continue to this day. So he's this kind of legendary figure among a lot of police officers. So of course I'm the guy in trouble. It's my car, right, and you know, he makes me open the trunk and he starts doing the calculations and he says, Yep, this is valuable enough. It reaches the threshold. It's grand theft and I go grand theft avocado and he goes hey, you think it's funny, but it's a melody, and I'm like, oh my and and sir. Then he sees my name on the idea and he goes, wait a minute, are you related to Steve Silver? And I go yes, sir, he's my father, and he goes, Steve Silver is your father. Do you realize that's Steve Silver is respected by everyone in this association? Well, now my friends who are responsive with this are like laughing to the cells. Are Yeh, because it's my dad, and I like yeah, and he goes, Steve Silver is respected by every law man in this state. And you know, laying it on thicker and thicker, and my friends and down Gi they're like Ah, and he's like see, silver, it's a legend, you know, and by Lee says, what do you think Steve People would say if he could see this? And I said he'd be really mad. So that's right. And so he said, here's what I'm going to do. I'm not going to arrest you, but you're going to come with me and you're gonna take all these avocados back to the owner who called the police for breaking it at drink and you're going to apologize to him for what you did. So now I gotta go guys apologize for something I didn't even do. And then the company said, my friends are dying and they think it's the greatest thing I've list where. You think Steve would say so? Anyway, Avocados are really, really important to be in my upbreaking yes, I make the goackaboll. Yeah, okay, Grand Steff Avocado. We won't will talk about that anymore. Maybe a good brand name that would be still like. That's you. The limitations, I believe is probably up, but let's you know, if I get prosecuted out, that's a bumm great. Right, all right, when you you mentioned before getting the call from sports illustrated. Tell us what's that? That's like, because a sports writer, I mean that's going to getting draft in the NFL? Yeah, I mean it will. Listen, it was one thousand nine hundred and ninety four and I was twenty nine. I was a columnist at the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, which was a cool job, but I was super frustrated. I felt like I should have had a better job. I'd had interviews at the San Francisco Chronicles. Set as a brake P REDUCE SACRAMENTO BE I was willing to move. You know. I was young, married, no kids and I just was super frustrated and a lot of the older, more established writers were super antagonistic toward me. They thought I was a self promoter, which I was. It was free Internet, you know. I was trying to get my stuff out there. They didn't like my cozy relationships with players. They just you know, I broke some stories. I broke the story of Joe Montana getting traded to the chiefs from the niners. It was just the daytoday atmosphere was toxic and I was kind of like, I don't need to do this. The money sucks, people are mean and I should have a better job, and so I kind of quietly, only telling my wife and parents, really took some classes, took the els at was I didn't really want to be a lawyer, but I was just kind of like looking for some sort of alternative. I think I would have gotten in a law school and deferred and maybe try to write a book. And as this is happening, I get the miracle call from SI and end up getting hired and I felt like, okay, you know, now I'm obviously staying in because that's I was the pinnacle and I was, you know, I felt like, okay, now I need to crank it up because I'm competing against the best of the world and I've got now at now players want to hang out with me. So it was a I mean I went from single aid to starting for the Yankees and modestly was probably rookie of the year and, you know, at all start pretty quick, like right, ie us the opportunity. But it was incredible and I had thirteen and a half years there where I felt the whole time I'm kind of like stressed, like I gotta uphold this very nice standard and never thought I'd leave and end up leaving because I just got an incredible offer from Yahoo and the Internet was kind of becoming a thing, and never thought of myself as a TV guy, and then really happy that in two thousand and thirteen I made the moved benefitl that work and start doing more on camera. So so four things. All Right, give me your first interview, your last interview at Si, your favorite interview in your least favorite interview. Okay, SI hires me in November and it's Thanksgiving weekend and they send...

...me to a steeler radar game in La and I think to them it's a throwaway. Will will write a short thing, but, knowing what I know now, I underprepared. I just said no, as I didn't tell you go here on this day and talk to this guy. was just go wherever you need to go. Go to both cities and go to school. Yeah, go to the quarterbacks dad's home town. Do what you got to do. And the steelers were in La on the Saturday. I just went in. It was Thanksgiving weekend. I had Thanksgiving with my parrot to La. I met the steelers Saturday at the Century Plaza Hotel, which is a psychonic hotel, and it was like I sc do to day weekend. There was a lot going on and the hotel lobby was like your classic La, you know, eclectic mess, and I ended up writing that as by lead. But I the steelers were kind of an unknown fresh team in the early cour I got everybody they were really good and then they thump the raiders the next day and it was a statement game that kind of announced them as the team to be. They end up losing that year at home to the chargers and an upset, but then going to the super bowl the next year, but it was a big statement. Late November game, other things broke and it you know, it ended up becoming a pretty cool story and they were great after the game. So then I went to my childhood house. My Mom gave me dinner. I was in this dimly lit room in the dead and you again, knowing what I know now, because we used to write all night. It was nine am eastern. Was the deadline money. I wrote it pretty fast. I wrote it loose and send it in and I didn't know anything on Mark Mulvoy, the man who hired me, was the legendary mercurial editor of SI, woke me up at about thirty of the morning Pacific of the little landline where in my childhood room, and I answered the phone and he said, Michael, sometimes in your first to bat you had a single, sometimes he had a double, sometimes you had a triple. You hit a Grand Slam. Congratulations, you're on the cover of sports illustrated. I was like Whoa, okay, so that went well. I was and I was super loose. Right again. So that was the first one, you said. Last interview? Yeah, for SI. Yeah, I might might have been me and that liner in Santa Barbara. He was doing some football cap. He was supposed to be a big deal and it was either that or being Steven Jackson in Vegas, which was fun too. Would but we were growing us. That's where he grew. Yeah, we're you a teammate, is Stephen? Yeah, I'll tell you that one. I think it was that they wouldn't let me write the story after I left it. I had him giving the notes to someone who wrote it as if it was his scene, which was awkward. But Steven Jackson goes back to his old high school in Vegas and Big Star at the time for the raps and I'm tagging along for a big assie story and he goes into the football like meeting room right where it's a surprise and he's, you know, probably the biggest stars ever played there, certainly, you know, in recent years, and they don't know he's coming. So the coach that says, there's someone here that I want you to meet, and they he brings him into this tight quarters and they're kind of freaking got. This one kid, this you know, white eleven grader, is so excited that he rushes up to Stephen Jackson. It kind of slaps him in the face. It's one of the most awkward things. Just been assaulted and he knows this kid's not violently try to attack him. He's just the kid just lost his mind, but he kind of just you know what like this is. It was just, you know, and everyone's looking to see what he's gonna do and you know, it all got to fuse, but it was like it was pretty insane. It is work. So so that was first. That was last best favorite. Yet what's your favorite? WHO's the best? And of you ever, when you were in Si what was the best thing than the Amaretto night, which is my favorite? You know, so when there was just a big thirty that talked about some of this, but I got test I in November of ninety four and ninety five and may they called me and said we need you to fly to La we need you to do a story right this week, and I was wasted. They've been using me, not just football, using me out everything, and I tried to get out of it. They said no, you've got to be this guy. So it was Dennis Rodman on the Spurs Getting Ready. They ended up closing out a playoff series against the Lakers that night, on a Thursday, I think, I proceeded to go on a for night, or at four day, three night bender with him La San Antonio, Vegas, Houston, San Antonio, and didn't sleep, partied. I it was when he was first getting weird, you know,...

...talked about Madonna, talked about gay sex fantasies. I mean it was insane, and wrote a cover story that. Can I see it over? Wait, they're on my on your wall. It is. Yeah, so M I I'm there were a lot of moments that were incredible, but I just remember we're on a plane and he's got his big boom box blasting Pearl Jab on the plane, as usual. I had. We're talking about something pretty deep and he looks at me and he goes, what's your next story? At it. My next story actually turned out to be a cover story, black and white cover about NASCAR and how it was America's fast as growing sports. I had of hanging out with, you know, Kyle petty and all these guys and I started telling them what I was going to do and he just goes bro You off fucked, and I go what do you mean? He goes man after me. Everyone's going to be bored, just gonna be so more you're you're screwed for life and telling me how nobody's ever going to be as crazy and open as I am. And I'm kind of laughing off because I, you know, I'd only been in that side for, you know, six months, but part of me is thinking, yeah, maybe he might be right, you know right, it might go down hill. So he's probably my favorite just because, you know, he just let it rip it away his books to write. I wrote one. I turned down the first one, which was amazing because it was the biggest selling sports biography and history at the time. So but there were reasons why I turned down. Great and then he came back to me and have me did the second and and then least favorite? Well, that's a great question. I knew you had some sketchy times. Counts it dumb this or you like you Davison? I had some had some issues. You know, Bella check and I didn't start feuding until the first year. I was a yahoo and he was more of like my secret source back then. Oh my God, did I just reveal of source? He used to give a good information and parcels that I never got along and Shanahan. We were good. We just had a little rough patch after the weird finished article. Yeah, I just I had dinner with him at his restaurant in Denver a couple months ago, like a threehour dinner. He's the best. But okay, which story do you want to what? The parcels of the shadowhood parcels. Okay, so my first full season at SI. Now it's September of nineteen ninety five. The first game of the year, the game I covered was browns at Patriots. That was the last year of the Bella check coached first incarnation of the Cleveland Browns. Right because they moved. I at the parcels Patriots. So it was also the grand opening of the rock and Roll Hall of fame. You can look it up in Cleveland. Nine hundred and ninety five. So in the airport I saw Snoop Jackson, Brown, Bruce Springsteen and it was insane. Also Bella check, who I had heard was the biggest, you know, asshole ever, and I started bonding early and he like had me next to him on the field of practice with his arm around me. We were like we were boys for a while. It was real weird and I got some good stuff a Cleveland that I went to do England well parcels. You know, I didn't like them because he would give about an hour to the media every day and talk about himself right. He didn't like he didn't like any players ever big interviewed about anything, and ostensibly it was because, oh, I'm protecting the I don't want them to get too big, but what I really felt like it was was he's into himself. So I want the Patriots Locker Room on the Friday and there was nobody in there. So there's one kid in there and I go talk to him because he's the only guy and it's just me and him for like half an hour and it's this rookie running back and his story is insane. He had Pittsburg ties. You're going to figure out who it is. But he also had relatives in La like Drey and some of those guys like the the you know, the n s hip hop, you know, royalty guys, and he had been kind of a troubled kid and then he cleaned up his act. But you know, he had seen his grandmother stabbed through. He came to find his grandmother's stabbed through the chest, knife into the bed with her there, hit through. It was one of the most insane interviews I've ever had and I would like, Oh my God, this guy is incredible and his stories amazing. Too Bad he's just this rookie running back. Well, two days later Curtis Martin and...

...his first NFL game, runs in from six yards out to go over a hundred yards and score the winning touchdown, and so I've got the greatest day story ever. So I'm so excited. So after the game parcels goes and gives his press conference. Yeah, I don't know a press conferences anyway, but I'm definitely not going to that. I just go to the locker over see Curtis by be off, and now our I get more stuff from a well. Eventually people spill out of parselves press conference and starts surrounding me and Curtis because everyone wants to talk to him. And after about three questions, parcels come storming in and breaks up the uter because from here we let him show and all themediate people like Moskie and again ostensibly doesn't want the rookie to get a big head. And I'm like now, no, no, he doesn't want Curtis Martin to get the love. He wants to get the love right. So I, fellow I followed curtis out to the bus later, got a great story and just gave up any hope of ever having a relationship with build ourselves just started crushing him. But that's so interesting because that's how you get all your story. Somehow you find your way in because out David, I just interviewed Peter King last week and he's like hey, he's like here the three themes about my silver. Here's the by the way, I do this in front of Peter all the time, so I don't want people to fake like no, he knows that I do. Peter King almost as well as he does. Peter King anyway good, but he was like I'm the nuts and bolts and in silver just gets all the stuff that everybody wants to get, but then the balls to do it. Peter Peters Pretty Amazing got. There's so many amazing Peter King Stories, but one of my absolute favorites is it's I believe it was. It was one of the Arizona Super Bowls. I want to say it was steelers cowboys, like Super Bowl thirty, maybe the one after that. But we're walking early in the week, it's like Monday, and he's like come on, let's go half lunch and we're walking up and it was what he was first starting to get recognized. He was doing TV and we would get stopped like on the way to the restaurant and soon we'll go okay, and he'd be like hey, how are you any? Be like you know, hey, what do you think of the Vikings? Eddy go here's what you need to know. They got a quarterback, NAM rich cannon, and he give everybody like a three minute you know whatever. You know? Yeah, yeah, and and after about the third time he looks at me and be goes this Peter King Shit has got to stop. Oh, this is best said the you do a great Peter King. You must know them really well. He here's what I'm going to tell me about my Peter King Imitation. It goes back to one thousand nine hundred and ninety two, when he came into town to cover the forty diners, cowboys and FC Championship game and he said, Hey, I sell your stuff in the Santa Rosa Press Democrat. That's a pretty good anecdote. You had about third string quarterback Steve Bono. Anyway. Well, you could, and the great thing is you probably will do it forever. And now you go from sports ills trade, Yahoo Sports, and now you're in the NFL network where you're doing nfl all the time and yes, you're really good at it. You get all the interviews. I don't know. Tell me how you do it all like to me, because I watch you all the time and you're interviewing so many different guys from different teams. Do you have a pretty big group that helps you now and say hey, I got to talk to this guys, guys, Guy, how do you? How are you doing that now? Oh, no, I do it all myself. So two things have happened one. Now the coaches and JEM's scouts all want to hang out with me because I'm old, you know, like an ear old, so that I still hang out of players to the degree that I can. But at some point I realized, like God, I'm GRANDPA. You know, this is kind of I don't know if they want me at the club anymore. And so, you know, that's changed. But what's really changed for the best for me? It is texting, like I just I want to I don't like with you. I guess I had a cell phone that, in theory, could possibly work at some point with no caller ID and no battery. But really what it was is this is literally how it had to go. I get assigned, I don't know, a Ram's, you know chief story. It's at Kansas City. So I want to come into St Louis and I want to have dinner with gusts, you know, Thursday night or Friday night, and effects when I fly. So now I got to call the landline and figure out when I can get gus on the phone, and when I finally get them on the phone, it's like hey,...

...dude, if I come in on Thursday, can we have dinner and gus is cool, so he'd probably give me an actual answer, but a lot of guys is like, yeah, I think so, just hit me when you're you know. So now it's literally like boom, boo, boom, Hey, can we have dinner Friday night? Yeah, cool or no? What work? So it just it's allowed me to keep in touch with so many more people so immediately that it really is a savior to try to wrap your arms around this entire league. So because, well, yeah, you're getting guys numbers rather than going through the the information. Guys. No, I fortunately. Yes, yeah, you know. And so every time you go somewhere new, you probably trying to hey, I don't have that guy's number, I gotta get it and right put in your friends and art. It's an art because you know, you don't want to be to like like, I've asked people and gotten shut down because they don't really know me. You got you got to kind of go with vibe. Sometimes you're asking the second time. Sometimes it be like Hey, I'm going to send you that picture. You know, try to do it organically. Sometimes the PR guys hovering around and you know, if you ask it could get Super Awkward Beers. They're just got through me. So and then people change their numbers and you know all that stuff. But you know, it's long as you can have a couple of numbers and every building you can kind of build from there. But you're right, like I haven't cover I haven't been to Pittsburgh in years. I mean it sucks and and I'm aware that there are certain buildings I probably need to spend a little time in. I did cover them at San Francisco. I made a point of that a few weeks ago. Just said right, get some get some face time with people. And you know, it's it's hard. It's a lot teams. Well for you, you never know where the next story is coming from. Right, right, like like. Do you have seem doarnold's number? Did you text them and ask him what ghosts did you see out in the football field? I do not have say. I've done with number. I probably would have texted of something like bro Hag to, if it's you know, flush this one down. I have. It's funny. I have a lot of quarterbacks numbers and there have been a few over the years who, and I'm not talking about you know, Peyton manning status. They're been a few who are like, you know, they're good players and they don't want to give me their number and I've literally said to them like I'll take my foot, I'll be like I have Joe Montana's number, I dan Marino's number, I have John elways number, like really, like, you're really going to be the guy who's you know, I'm too good for that. And Right. Sometimes that works and sometimes they're like yeah, well, fuck you, you know you. I'm still not going to great right, all right, Mike. So we've had you on a long time. One of the last things we do we call it the no huddle. It's our two minute drill. We're going to fire a bunch of questions at you. Where is I thought? Any thought? That's what you do with Annie, Oh to suit. Sorry, I shouldn't. We gave it up. We're gonna make sorties. You're got to make sure to show her that share. I will. I will show lot, to show this of the whole thing. So I'll date before we start to know huddle. You got to ask him our question, because I bet he's in it now. I think you're gonna all right. So, Mike, we're hitting again. I say this every time. They always happens. We're in about UNDRED and fifty here. So when you're back in La playing ball on the streets, did you play whiffleball? I don't think so. I think we played over the line. Was Our thing, you know, and Steve Kerr used to play with us and he's a really good baseball player. By Dad always talks about the overlying games because he played in the couple. But I don't think we played whiffleball. whiffle what wilful work down in the eight hundred. Now you just brought us back down. Peter King, play whiffleball. So I don't know. Why do you play over the line? We had a picture. We had a picture named Mark Mason. He could do feat was with a whiffle ball. That would make freak ten man not blush anyway. Good. But what's up over the line? Is that with the stick or what are you? It's a real baseball and probably aluminum bats realistically, but a real hardball and it's just there's a picture added outfielder and a line and if you you know you can't just bloop it and get it in front of the line. That's not a hit, but if you can get a ball over the line that's not caught by the outfielder, got something. I don't even remember the rules. So there was they could play where he didn't have to run. He was into it. You know, I could run. I just again, I wasn't super fast, I wasn't slow, but but courage, courage was the real issue. I was a sog on the soccer field because no one really understood the shoulder rule that now all these kids you don't know, but I was the only one who knew you could actually like kind of shoulder ride and be physical. So I was kind of an enforcer on the soccer field. But again, I get soccer players right, right, all right, here we go, no huddle day, far away. All Right, Um, Mike, what's your favorite college...

...player Basketball Player of all time, and what's your favorite college football player of all time? My Favorite College Basketball Player of all time is obviously Steve Kerr for personal reasons, but in terms of like guys, I don't. Well, I probably my favorite college basketball player of all time as a friend of mine. I went to college with Kevin Johnson, who later was an NBA all star. Friend of mine, a cal and became the mayor of Sacramento. You know, we all try to save the world that that was like our cal thing. So we actually tried. But I remember like he was just our buddy. We met freshman year. We're freshman together and we knew he was like a good cal basketball player, but he played this gate calbats to the niit ending like a twenty year no postseason streak. Was a big deal. We hosted a game and there were these two six, four or bigger guys. We're supposed to be future NBA guards, and Kevin just, he was short, just destroyed them and during the game my friends that are kind of look at each other going way like, is he actually like that good? And then I remember Kevin like tell everyone day like dude, like I'm getting calls from these like scouts and stuff. He's like I think I'm going to get drafted. I'm like really, and he went seven overall. So probably Kevin Johnson, but and then he had Steve. Were Road Roommates on the calves together. I think that's rookies he worked out with about called cells football. My favorite player ever, you know, Probably Marshal Ledge. Again, as a cow guy. You know, I just remember cal had this running back named Jade J Arrington who ended up playing in the NFL, really good player, and he was coming back for his senior season or junior season, and Marshall was a true freshman and we'd heard a lot about him and their first game was on the road and my buddies and ill went to this bar and Oakland Hills to watch the game. Was a day game and we were talking about Marshall Lynch and he wasn't starting. Jj Eric was starting, and I go well, if he's that good, you know, and they go no, no, no, everyone had a well, you know, you gotta you gotta know what how to pick up the blitz and he he does know the blocking schemes and Jj Erington's really good. He'll be a nice change of pace guys. So first couple drives JJ ERICTON's gaining lots of yards and it's all going well. Third drives they put Marshall Lynch and first play they threw a swing path to the right and he powers down the sidelines. That runs like through about four guys, stiff arms of fifth and gets, you know, drive down barely. After like a twenty six yard game, you know and gets up all like this and I said, all I'm saying is we're going to look back in three years ago. How many plays was this guy not on the field? Like and what I mean use a relusive baby. So right, yeah, he might, he might be my favorite. That's a good one. That's a good one. You know, wrong with when I was in school I had Ron Rivera and that Hardy Nickerson, but I always joke with Ron Rivera at cal that we weren't very good his it was his senior year and I always joke that he was like Jefferson at fast times at Richmond high like that. He was so by far our best player, just going on, just killing everybody, you know, like like somebody just, you know, realises car. Yeah, right, right, my dad's a TV repair man. He's got a righteous set of tools and you can fix it. What's your biggest pet peeve? I my newest biggest pet peeve is lying to gain. I went three decades of covering football and it was yeah, yeah, he needs three yards for first down. Yeah, that's where the marker is, that's the chain. We had all different ways of talking about where you had to get to to get a first down without saying the word lying to gain. And now I cannot go twelve seconds of a broadcast without hearing somebody talk about the line to gain. Enough, somebody made it up. They had to make it special and it's not. It just there's some marker get the first down. Yeah, I agree with Mike. It's horrible. Yeah, all right, so maybe this might come into this question. If you'RE NFL commissioner for a day, what change would you make? Oh Wow, that is such a great okay, God, there's so many. Well, first of all, I would get rid of the subjective replay, like the fact that we now have a rule where you can go back and find no calls, let alone calls, and it's a totally subjective thing. They're not enforcing get the way that I feared they would, and with it we were told they would. But replay. The reason replay was born, where there were a couple of famous moments where like, a guy crossed the goal line for the winning touchdown and then still shots showed that the ball was out, you know, a half a yard before, and you know you're supposed to just correct a measurable, egregious wrong and if there's video evidence and you can do that. I'm fine with that. You know, same with soccer, like goal line technology. Great, you...

...said it didn't cross the goal. The goal and look the ball across the line, but this Vaar they have where they're going back and finding pushoffs or you know, I flipped his hand. You know, let me give you an example of how, and I've tucked to Steve Kerr about this, about how in basketball I think we play is it as after because we saw it in the NSA championship game. So the good reps back in the day would do things like, for example, okay, hard foul late or hard collision late in the game. Player on the Blue Team Hits player on the red team really hard, but he's got five fouls and it goes off the guy on the red team. He would just go red team ball. I'm not going to foul the guy out for, you know, colliding with the guy. That's a little severe, but also he doesn't deserve to be rewarded for it and get the ball. Well, now you do that same thing, but you review it and the review you can't review the collision, but the review shows that, well, the ball went off the guy in the red team. So it's blue team ball. So that's like an unintended consequence. And you saw in the NCAA championship game that if if you slow down any you know guy who hits the ball out out of another guy's hand. Well, yeah, the ball at the tiniest speed probably rules off the guy's fingers that you pushed it off about a bounce. So technically it went off him at that speed. That's just dumb. That's true. That's just like yours. Your pipe for about baseball when a guy over slide second and then its hold roll up and you see if he stole the base. But they just hold the glove there for two seconds and then Oh, he's right left. You know, I hate rights. WHO. Let me think about baseball. Think about how many double plays the guy doesn't really touched the Bait, you know. So, yeah, so, if I our commissioner, I would I would revamp replay. I would, let's see, I would change the scheduling format so that the Patriots don't play the jets and dolphins every single week, which they seem to. I wouldn't do that, but I would probably make a really good deal with the players and number weak testing, change the disciplinary stuff so that I'm not playing God. I had there's a lot of forget the money part. There are a lot of, you know, none direct monetary things that we can make a lot better with collective bargaining. Right, right. So, if we're flipping through your phone, you've already given us a couple. WHO's the most famous person on Mike Silver's phone right now? Wow, that's a great question. I mean most famous or like that, people that like I actually care about. Like you know, I have musicians in there that like. Ye Know How many that you and you would text them right now, they'd pick up where you'd call and they pick up to hey, mike, what's going on? Well, I mean a lot of football players are famous. So I mean Joe Montana's in there. You know whatever. But, like you know, Adam Durret's from county crows, fellow Calalum, is a really good friend of mine. He texted me the other day because he had just gotten too he just flown in from New York and was going to the cow organ state game and he's like, what do you mean you're not going? I'm like, I'm going to Seattle to cover a game. Luke Campbell from to life crew is one of my ill healthy text me back right now. I miss his videos. Yeah, videos in a hundred percent. Sure it is good. He's just that good. He's just that good. In real life, though, Steve Kerr's gotten pretty famous. I don't know, I don't say. Yeah, that's a good that's that's a good question. I probably would have to text you later after I look through, because that would care. Yeah, all right, Mike. WHO's on Your Bay Area Sports Mount Rushmore? That's super easy because I did grow up a fan, so I can do this. Well, Montana's obviously one. And when you have a literally in the city of San Francisco, no, but they'd never won a championship. USF had won, but they'd never want a professional sports championship. Oakland had, San Francisco had not. So when you go from we've never won anything to a magical guy makes us the cream of the league and we win for and then later five. So so Montana has his own mountain, but probably, you know, given the importance of the you know it's going to be him and Walsh together, and then, I think you know, probably Barry Bonds has to go to bay area. Wow, because you've got, you've got a's to is this for me or what? I think the area your well caught make a Combo both you and with the ears. Believe, I'M gonna doude. I'm just gonna do my what my emotional attachment. So Botana Walsh are there, steph curry...

...is there. I mean it's just super emotional for me to think that this team I rooted for all these years that was never good. You know, is that good, let alone has a guy like that that you know that I've been able to experience with my kids and you know. So steph is definitely on there. So that's three. It's not going to be any hockey players, obviously, you know. I know Tom Brady's from the bay area, but that's kind of a stretch. I don't think people in the bay area are like, Oh my God, you know, it's not like that. I think probably I'm, you know, got to thick this through. I mean, Reggie Jackson's gonna get to get some traction. Barry Bonds, there's no raiders on there, and then Willie mays was kind of older. Yeah, and then you got raiders. You know, can't believe help raider who I mean I kind of loved Eddie that whole s you know Hendricks, you know Otis is drug get all the weird look at dudes for the s I love all those guys. Did you ever read? Did you ever interview madden? Oh, I love Madden, Love Madden. Yes, men's amazing. I'm going to say Montana, Walsh, curry and Barry Bonds, sweet, even though Barry Bonds was a complete nightmared interview and never had any fun to do it that. If you could go back in time for one day, where would it be and when would it be? I'm I think it would probably be. Let's see, one day, one day, trying to think how I can work this to my advantage. I think it would be like late October of two thousand and sixteen and I would be with Jim Comey, but I would be holding him at gunpoint, even though he was the FBI director of the time, so that he could not write a letter that he released that stalled the momentum of a campaign that was destined to win, even with Russian meddling, voter suppression, the Electoral College at about nineteen others, stupid perfect storm things. I just think if Jim comy doesn't send that letter, we don't have these last three years of hell. And Yeah, I'm not saying the last three years would have been perfect, but it wouldn't be a nightmare. So I you know, every yeah, I could go kill Hitler and all that. That would probably be better, but I think like I'm just going to keep it in the present and try to do my kids a solid, just even if it's just the three years, and probably it's going to last a lot longer than that, which is the damn what's your favorite sports movie? The longest yard is probably my favorite sports to the original. Wells. Oh yeah, the original. That's the first our rate of movie. My Dad took me to. One of my great thrills was when they, if you get the DVD, they released a thirty year anniversary DVD of the original and they wanted someone to talk about it and I was at Si and I got to be the voice talking about how great that movie. That's awesome. Yeah, I think the longest you are probably longest. You are bad news bears. I I that's got to be tough to two our days. Okay, what's the most overhyped thing in sports today? overhyped. Yeah, I any perceived feod or, you know, conflict between two people is the most overhyped thing. They don't understand guys that like, first of all, some of the stuff that we used to encounter. If if we put it on twitter back of the day and it was in that environment, they would they have no idea some of the stuff that we were no, I know it. weerst in and and there's always this sense that like Oh my God, you know, people will say, like Mike, Silver should never be allowed in the browns building and I'm like yeah, I wrote to the critical about the browns and like one of the top guys of their organization texted be the next night and we were talking about like shoes, like hey, dude, I love those things. What were those dress sneakers? You wereware on the sidelines. I want to get some of them. Like they don't get that we're human beings. And Yeah, we might get mad at each other and sometimes it's super deep, but for the most part, like we're in the small world and it's not as traumatic as you see, I'm not going to tell you what the most overhype thing, but I am going to tell you that the most overrated product in the history of entertainment. Is Forest Gup, just a truly awful movie and held up as one of...

...the greatest movies. Everyone loves it. It's so bad. All right, all right, last one. Have you ever had an interview or Interviewe better than Dennis Rodman did? His did is did, is kind of what he told you on that plane come true. Yeah, I mean I think time and context, he's probably the best. I've had people who, you know, say some incredible things and tell me incredible stories, and he was just the most fun and I you know, I would say any Farrat is one of the great interviews of all time. And she you know it. She's she's had some of the most memorable lines that did make it in a print. To like when I say Nice things about a different quarterback, you know, and this is where you're playing days, I would get calls from her and she would graphically describe, figurative late but in her eyes literally, the sexual acts I had performed on said quarterback. So she would say things like hey, when you get blank quarterbacks blank out of your blank, are you also opening your mouth to do blank to this quarterback? quarterback number three while you grab him with your hand and satisfy him, and I paraphrase you, you should have never taken that call. She know right, she's hilarious. Well, this wasn't a skype, leastaway skype. Will do one last one and this will be like to the kids, kind of as a learning experience. If you could go back in time. This is another time and travel question. But tell a young Mite Solber, a bit of advice for ten seconds. Say We would that a nice be those times when you have the raw goods but you walk it back a little because you're, you know, just trying to make it a little less brutal. On the relationship, don't bother, just go, because invariably it's always bad anyway, and I'd rather just you know, I'd rather just adhere to the truth and I don't burn people. I are on the side of the relationship, but sometimes you've got the truth and when you got to go, you gotta go. Don't hold back. Right. That's good. So, Mike, Thanks for joining us in a huddle. We want to thank you for listening to huddle up with gusts a RADIOCOM original. You can find our show on RADIOCOM, the new RADIOCOM, APP or anywhere you listen to your favorite podcast. Please leave us a review or comment if you enjoyed the show. We are on facebook, twitter, instagram and Youtube at huddle up with Gus. You can also visit us on our website, huddle up with gusscom.

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