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Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

Episode · 2 years ago

Mike Silver

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Mike joined NFL Media in August 2013 after spending six years covering the NFL for Yahoo! Sports. Prior to joining Yahoo!, Silver spent 13 years at Sports Illustrated, during which he wrote more than 70 cover stories. Mike appears on a variety of NFL network Programs and writes columns for www.nfl.com In this episode Mike shares his stories about Gus, Steve Kerr, Dennis Rodman, Bill Parcells and Impersonates Peter King.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to our podcast hoddle up withGus, where we talk to guess about how sports help shape their life. I'm yourhouse, former ANFL quarterback Gusfrat and I'm joined by my longtime friendand cose Dave Haker. We are a RADOCOM original podcast and you can find us onthe new RADIOCOM, aut or anywhere. You listen to your favorite podcast. Now,let's get in the huddle, hey everyone! THANKS FOR JOINING US! Another episodeof huddle up with gus today Dave you and I are going to interview. One of mygood friends been well known in a football communityfor a long, long time, great writer, great personality on NFL network. Now you know he did an arc on me back inthe days and I played for the Redskins, where we set in my basement drankEMARETO, because I didn't have any other alcohol. It's like it, fine asall we could find, but you know bringing in the huddle with us todayand I'm so excited to have them on it. Finally, he's like the it's so hard toget ahold of he's so busy, but Mike Silverts with us Mike thanks forjoining us in Ha hodle today. Well, the reason I'm hard to get ahold of isbecause I have no idea how to skipe it's been like a year or something. SoI am not. You know we're now up and running, and guess I'd just like to letyou know. First of all in case you didn't know it's foball sson thisfootball s so mike and I go way back when I was at the redskins. He came andinterviewed me and my coach at the time was Lorf Turner and I was telling Misome stories about nort that when Lord use to tell us like hey it's footballseason, man, you know you don't take out the trash. You don't do the dishes.All you do is focus on football. I Doen't matter if you got a family orwhatever so my can. I take that to the next level. Every time we talk yeah,it's kind of like you know when my wife's talking to me, I don't even hearher. It's football season, I think, was the FOTA. She wants me to come home and cutthe grass it's football season, I'm not doing it yeah it's fun, it's funny,because Leslie, silver and and Ferad don't subscribe to that way of thinking.Quite you know, they're not they're, not quite down with that program. NoAnnie. Definitely is not down that pro. You know as well as anybody. You don'thave to wait till March to take out the trash. It's not thewal season right now,it's Today's the day to take out the tra I mean she made me carried herchild with a broken hip. So that tells you a lot about. Annie there, yougo Western PA Grit t the greatest Bhut the greatestdesinaty interaction that I ever witnessedthat there' been many was theywere kind of having an discussion about whose family was more challenging toyou know to contend with and Annie finally dropped the Nuclear Bober Wan.The fight is, she said, your sister's deaf and your family hasn't evenlearned side language. So I mean that was a strong L. Silver'sbeen a part of lot of those discussions as as dame as to I don't think I'veheard that one I not to make a joke about the joke, but yeah yeah, I'm sureyou heard it y, so many trulies in at that point. You just don't rememberthat' in that's very good sossibilityfor, the record you and Idrank ammoretto and I wrote about it at sports, ulstrated tesamasculating, bothof us forever and now you're talking about drinking truis. So y you have notbecome any more masculine. No that's true! That's no! W we're on the WhiteClaus. Now, though, it seems more massiveit just sounds more asgoecausefly fishing and camping with a white clot yeah ther's Ot, better e hmove with what whar super a all that E. I I feel likewe should go to the doctor and he checked out, for you know. I don't knowdays ade interesting, Dor visit platly have thus you know curious yeah. No,maybe thet is dracto me in the truly that's a deio yeah likeafter new inadvance, right yeahriht. You gave up twisted tease for trulevs yeah, the twisted tees. I think helpedwith my ret Guy Yeah Wen the Tame Os so Mike we want to go we're Gonto startback when you young, when you were growing up in Calli and San Francisco.What was the first point in your life where you fell? Loveel sports? Well, that's a great question. I I was born in San Francisco but thenmoved to La when I was young. So what I was was the kid in La who really forall the barrier teams and they usually lost- and my friends gave me ten degreeAC. I remember vividly a moment my grandparents oute la I must have beenfour or five and my Dada kind of disappeared and I weldnat found him upstairs. I think he was listening to a transitor radio, maybewatching like a bad black Awhite TV, the end of a basketball game- and Isaid Daddy, wos, Playn andhe, said a e...

Los Angeles team in the San FranciscoTea ut. I said well WHO's wining. He said the LAS Anglas Tevan. I said goody.He said no, no, that's bad! We want to San Francisco team, and so from thatpoint ot I was screwit, and that was the warriors and I was a big fortyteerfar grot up ut. Also a warrior fan, and one of the friends I had o gave metons of CRAFK for being a wardior fan of the Laker town, ended up growing up to become theirheadcoach and leading them to three championships. So I actually win in theend, but it took a lot. It took a while so o one of my favorite people of alltime, I'm a Ufa Grad and I was there. I actually probably went to on few of abecause of Steve Cur and I didn't know where I was going and I was yeah. I waslike him Sean Elliott that whole first final fourteem, I have five otherplaces. I go wannot to stay. I was living in Suson io, let's just stayhome and enjoy the Rog yeah yeaher. You got a lot of good steepe cur stories, alot of good ones and yeah he's one of my favorite guys bestshooter polly everarguably yeah, and he only got the three point rule in college for oneyear non season. You know that's just year because it sort of ACL but yeahit's you know. I do feel heartened in that ourdaughters went to Calt agetter. His daughter is a great voleball player,his son Atdi Hav grand transfer there, and so I've completely converted him to. Youknow of course, hes a wildcat fan because he went there, but he's apsycho calfan now to and he went to a color at basketball gin acouple years back when cal needed a BI willing to get to the int tournament anwith about three minutes ago to on a nice leadet. He texted me and said youknow sort of like this. You know something super positive and I was likeI cexted back and said is cal hold on for dear life. They choked the game andhe called me afterwards. He said. Is this really what it's like? And I saidYeah this is you know it's an affliction dude it sucks, but yeah soHeis. He is one of the best dudes and he knows how hardcore I am about thewarriors, which is live, been a shameless recipiet ust things likeVictory Party invitation in Cleveland a couple times, an INSTAC Sud yeah. So you talked about how you know thatcomes back to your dad and how he said You gotto root for the San Franciscoteam and all that ECT did you? What sports did you play when youere grownup? You know we played atwer Ting on thestreets. I love basketball and I was like the King of the school until I gotto juior high and then heard about this sodshot Kad, who could shoot better?That was Steve and then Yo Ow, and then we had mangatory desegregation cor order in lawhich was awesome, except for being the King of the school in basketball, whichI also took a little bit. If there ti I ad so of you know not that myathleticism is not, you know superior, but you know so. I played IA play high school soccer,which was random when Aysso first came to southern California. I think Iplayed the first or second year, so you know now that all my kids have playedsoccer and I'm a soccer dad and seeing what you know what a high level kidsplay aut now. I just laugh because you know my kids will be like you playehigh cool Sucker, I'm like what we played was not wete, you guys but likewe were so rudimentary, no touch just netsing around but yeah. You know, basketball was probablyby my biggest love and you know we tried to play over to gon the street.Football was fine. I had pretty good hands. What I lacked was courage, ierthing else ut I could catch. Wecould definitely notat it. Separation, yeah, not not great. As separation, youdidn't Tryou for kicker. You were a soccer player. Yeah Right. I should have thought aboutit, not that I was like greaty kicking a soccer ball either, but I think Iwould have been a fine kicker except or the rare occasions where you know theother ten guys couldn't make a tackle ot a kickoff or a Bok Yugo or somethingin which case I would probably have been hospitalized very, very serious,an ANESA. This is funny to be because I know you e US laugh at this. You knowobviously as a gay twene fifty years and then as a football dad. You knowthese these weed heads and now in social vidia there. You know in yourface constantly who say things like you know, during a lockout or a contract orSpol, or these guys wo WANL play all play. I'm like listen. I've been on hesideliedering Theogam. You do not want...

...that. You do not want that. It is. You know I ean me experience again I'll,be standing on the sidelines and like an outside Rud will start coering and,like you start logically Gordiz your back final here and then all of asudden. It's like this crazy spider, flightas BASB, it's re on Vitif, I will die and it is you know, that'severy single play and the thought of you just sitting back there. You knowand you tes Asa Stubbornov, who stood the pocket and took his heads andthrough the ball, the thout in a different Aro. Where guys could take acouple steps and spash you, I just you had to go to a different place,bentally to be able to do that even Wac, and I just don't think peopleunderstand like dude just because you played at high school like it's likeUncle Rico like yeah, you playin high school, maybe like some low levelcollege football. The NFL is insane I' win. Tell you on Bo stories. I wouldlet you go off on this. I went to I went to London when I wasWorkingat Yeao by first year after I left sport, Ol Chae, Vediaoas, twothousand and seven for the first Loneday game. It was Solphan giants andmy buddy Dan, but think he man, I grew up with them. He he loads bag. Fr Nig Airlines has flownfree as entire life, because his dad also did e workd for the airline, his hilarious guy, and so he heard I CAlo. He was coving on London, so we los as I o, O we a block. He wasdivorced at the time and we chept IR. I went to the hotel cantiers, it said:Hey there like a Povera bar nearby. That would be a good place to go tohegause depends on what you're looking for and I go we're looking for reallyfriendly women with really bad tea tinl. He goes he's got a lot of nowsie Dat. Three Yo we went to soccerdame we're. Having so much fun were we're Dadrati got day three of thosephepe working class, guys in the pub and what do you din for the AmericanFootballamerican Football Thats for fags? And you know forty five minutes of these two guystelling us how American football players are SISSIS. They have to wearpads, rugbi's, a real sport and- and I just took it and took it. And finally,after forty five minutes, I go hey dude. Let me explain something to you: I gothere's a guy named Javan curse, he's like six six, two hundred and thirtyfive pounds he's faster than any would be player ever and he's really reallymen like his whole family's dead or in jail. Yo Dan not want him on a Ruypitch. It would be really bad and a yea that was beind of the conversation.Well, people don't understand that that how insane it is down on the fieldright, you don't know it until you're in that like for me playing it's awhole different feeling when you're playing, because you practice againstit all the time. Then, when I retired and went back to the sideline, I'm likeHoly Shit with these guys as fast when I was playing but youre just in the mix,you don't realize it, but when a guy is, you know, like jerrdown was you know,Yo six, six defensive end, two hundred and sixty pounds and runs as fast as areceiver. Righ right, you know, and- and you know what's W at other thanyour infamous. You know head thing which I know you have to talk about waytoo much. What's the hardest like. What's the moment, you remember whereyou just got blown up in a in a football game. Well, there's a lot ofthem. The one I talk about most is when Michael Strayhan hit me from behind,and I pissed blood F R for like four days because he bruwsed my e througs,my kidneys, and I remember our left- tackle JoePatten. You know that's one of those where you watch the film he's trying toblock him and he just puts his hands out and he's still staying like thatand michaels hitting. I, and you can see Jo, Jo, just turn around a film andgo you now like that that one that one Iremember a lot, I mean that one hurt. You know and that's like iyoin, thefive geting ready to score. Did you know its coming or was it a completesurprise? Yoai bindside, like you, think you least have like two secondstat: Throw the ball, but it's like hit fifth step boom down, can't rememberanything, you know and then that's one time London Fletcher hit me when I was wit, Tho Dolphins at we wereplaying the bills in Miami and the snap count was on two. I was in te Shotgunand you know you raise your foot, put it back down and the Ballis notsupposed to come and I'm looking I'm giving a signol, I'm Goin Alares itagain and a ball hits me in the chest and London flitchers actually blitzingin an a gat blitz at that time. So the...

...ball snapped. He comes through. Nobodyblocks them because nobody moved and he hits me right out of the chin. That waslike one of the only major concussions I had in the GAM. Luckily, I waswearing one of those hard Chin straps. How many mitor ones do you think youhad knowing what we know now? No O things little tings yeah. You know wellback in the day, I've been look, you know when they wake you up with APSON.Both smelling salts, they don't do that anymore. If you've been the right. Ifyou've been knocked out, you automatically have when I've beenknocked out and wokeme back up to play again put back in and and you go backan like an and if you know it's, they didn't have a medical ched fact andthey had hey get up you. You know we need you well. That was the problemlike they really need one, because a lot of times the worst part about beingon the sidelines is if you had to go to the bathroom. Oh you know, and then somany the lignmen would have to you know because they're so big and they woulddrink so much, maybe just piss it. I'm sure you've heard SOM storis. Somany Oyo onher wasn't yeah. If Your Center Didit it was all wet and it wasdry out ID, be like Oh, what happened n didn't do the well. The craziest storyI ever heard was from tody Shargusa, who played with diarrhea and athalftime. was you know, having some issues and he ends up saying to the tothe trading staff. Take me, and so they he coted tody at have to big take. Youknow, he's huge right t his two cheeks together and then you now put the padsbackover and I'm like that's when you know you're having a bad day at work.You know, like we've all had days, wher we're like man N. I have a great job,but it's like it's a tough day of work. This is rough. That's that's an epicbad day of work. What d you do Welli had to take Tony Sirgosa's, ass, cheeks,well, Diarea, seeped owt and the get his hands back on. So we could go playanother half of football in the NFL WE GOTTO make sure we ask to any. If heever comes on about that wow yeah iging, the you know one we should get thetrainer on. Who did that because, oh my God, because he c might have been whenhe was on the t, did he ever play for the skins on PLA? I think it was. Ithink they were playng against the skins with the story and it wasprobably cold il Pan that yeah. You know all right so so you're in highschool. When did you start getting the love to write? Well, that's a great question becausereally you know journalism was the love, and so all the president's been youknow Watergate happen when I was nine or no seven tonine. You know the watergate hearings that was right that summer listiting on the radio. As wewent on our camping trip and Dependeng on papers which have now beenyou know in cinematic form in the Movin the post,they did a good job. So there was a lot of really noble journalism. Going onthat that you know reveal the truth against powerful interests that we'retrying to you know be corrupt and deceat ful. Sothis is right in my wheelhouse, but right you K, O. I really felt I reallyfelt like journalists are awesome, they're helping to make our country youknow better and at our society, and you know I was really into that- and you know sports writing it's weird,because when I was at my junior high and high school paper, you know if you,if you did any other kind of writing other than sports, it was principalMarxs or today announced that you know six period will now and at twoe andthirty one and it was like it was the most boring dry thing ever and like theschool papers, just didn't care about sports. So they would let you writeabout your buddies. Fifty two inch vertical leave or you know, have someflair and have some fun and I still love sports, and so that was kind ofhow it started. I also grew up in La reading the LA Times, which has had agreat sports section and again with my dad. So my dad every morning would takethe Onli time sports page into the toilet and spend a half an hour reading the La tyme sports page andthen you know start his busy day, and so he was an early riser. So I startedcopying him. I'd be like Oh cool. The Times is out I'm going to gograbbit and spend a half hour of my own and t. So I was into the writing. I wasinto journalism, I was into the sports and then you know, I feel like it's a lot more fun to cover sportsbecause there are more games. You know it's an EAS artificially abtense worldeasily resolved on the scoreboard. I joke with political journalists on thetime I'm like there aren't enough games. You know like there's lot of like shitevery couple years or whatever, like you, know football we play, we havegames every week and a other sports more frequently, so you know and a lotof the things that I'm interested in you know are there in the sports world.You know race relations, those you know...

...stereotypes. You know human interaction like they're allthere in sports, and it's worked out well because I have an audience thatprobably wouldn't listen to me other otherwise, on some of these things, andeven if I'm just even if I'm not preaching, even if it's just you know,I compared Russell Wilson to Frand Tarkenton the other day, the scrambling the neck of Wen to runwon to throw- and I just think it's so ingraneded our society- that black guysget compared to black guys and white guys get compared to white guy. So evenjust like a little tidy things like that, if you could just be one of thevoices doing that, I think it just helps. You know get us a little furtherright, so you ended up at cow how'd, you pick cal being in La did. You wantto go back North or yeah? I always identified with Northern California. Wevacation there every year I love cal. I love Berkeley and you know I had I had famously like visited one of myaunts there when I was a little kid and got tiear gas whut, she wasn'tprotesting, but she was walking through Sprou Plasa during a protest, and you know I just kind of wanted to goback north and you know I was ihave a product ofpublic schools and you know believe in public education and really it's the top public universityin the world. I would argue the top university in the world, but it'scertainly ranked number one as a public university all the time- and you know I just I really was pulled north by entirelife. I don't hate la like some people, like my parents, still live there, mycompani'es there. I go there, a lot, I'm going there later today. You knowit's an easy flight. It's a six Hou drive, but I've just always felt moreat home up here. So did you get a lot of your kind of views because you dosuch a good job in your interviews about trying to find thout thatpersonal, very personal thing to write about and and like you said, you have alot of things that you're trying to bring out and your writing tohat a lot of those kind of views come from when you were at Berkeley learningthat and learning what kind of what you wanted to fight for. No, I just think you know we were taught in junior highand high school. Hey journalists are not the story, you're an impassive,detached observer. You got to be objective, you can't get immersed in itand I just never bought into that. I thought. Fairness and accuracy areabsolutely my tenants, but I want to get in and maybe it's selfobservedsharing or being in La and not being awed by celebrity or maybe it's Iprobably a lot of it- was Hunter Toms Oras Tomson Tom Wolfe, thosejournalists who were just going in and trying to embed themselves and take you intothese worlds. That was more interesting to be so that's what I tried to do, and alsojust covering the forty ninters coming out of college, for a newspaper and being ayoung beat writer like the GMS and the coaches and the scouts didn't want toreally tell me anything but the young players I could like party with orconnect with, and you know I'm growing up with a lot of African Americans. Ithink at that time, especially journalists. Most journalists were suchdorts, who were so sealed off from society and there weren't a lot ofminority journalists. I felt like I was one of the few people who could walkinto a Lotoo room and you know, connect with everyone. So I just wanted toconnect and then, when I got the Miracle Sports Olterao Call, when I wastwenty nine and back then S, I would encourage you to go hag out with thesepeople off the field and they kind of wanted to some of them. So I was likeokay, I have to take it to the next level and it's funny because what I metyou, I don't know if you remember but like Ihad heard a story about you abbeys a little older than my daughter,N Natali. So I thoug you were a year a year ahead of me right and you know,and I've been trying to follow you. You know girlboy boy and you know similarages, but she dis good great but Abi. I don't think Nawli was born. Yetan abby was a baby and you had made the probol and you woad. The story I saw was you wouldtry to go to the Super Bowl and you just showed up you and Annie with yourlittle. So when Abby born she was in ninety five yeah. She was in. She wasin August, so she would have been sish right. So she's been like six months,Oldas old, so this Y, you showed up at Super Bowl with your five month old, anyou were like cool, let's go to the game and you were shocked that theywere trying to charge her a full price ticket which I think they did right oryou did't. maybe you didn't go for. We had two tickets and we said okay. Shecan't sit in the seat by herself. So why would we get er right, she's justkind of sit in my lap, so we go to the gate and the guys like? No, you can'tshe needs a ticket, I'm like well, I...

...what she need to take it she got. Ihave to hold her the whole time anyway, and I said: Hey I'm a former player,they didn't care, and so I was so upset that I just left and we scalped ourtickets right there and said you know, and these two guys are fighting overhim and ane flipped the coin and someof H, yelled heads and bought the ticketsoff us. We just got our money back. You know we didn't Aright Rie Tryig to makemore, but the point was like she's six months oldd. She can't that was shegongnta send to sea sit. Was it was like Classic NflStupidity. Now I worked for them. UN fact that I did Righti just rememberlike so that was the first thing. I asked you because it was such a humanthing and you were so funny and then we connected and then I was like okay, Ilove this guy, and so you were having a big year the nextyear and I flew out and your Ed. It was your charity Eventan and it was adounor big DALA donor dinner at Tysan's corner, like I can't explain to you howbig this thiyg was, but he was the starting quarterback of the WashinteRedskins, a surprising young provolor who was now attached to this donorgroup, and so it was a big big deal and a lot really expensive and- and Ididn't know, Annie so you end up putting me an addy and andyour business manage a rob at this table and so you're up there. Givinglike this super personal speech, because your father had had atransplant yea American Heart Association, Yeah Yeah, it was AmericanHeart Association, so I mean it was the most personal speeches and captivated this group but Aland. Iare drinking and we start getting the giggles because she's so fuyu know Anhe,saying stuff like you now, God is he gonna cry and then she starts making.You know ogain jokes and I'm like okay. I can't be the guy laughing. U You knowin public, but I could help it because she's so funny so and then that endedup leading to the Emireto night and then we were kind of like you know atthat point I don't even know if it was journalism with me and you or we justlike we're, looking for an excuse to hag out and every experience I had withhim was phenomenal, except for one and that's what he made like. I would say,like a Mina Squakamoli and tried to claim bit was actually better than whatI made. He t it's just sad. He tries to say his Walcome, always better thanmine. Davi you've had my Guak Im Ol late. I've never had his well, he willcome to Pittsburgh, but he grew up in the heart of Glackamoli was her? Wouldthink he just tancs down? HAVE IT B t? I don't think so. I I tryn to get thebest ingredient he's just getting stuff off the trees. It's not tere. Can Italk. Can I tell a little avocado story? Is I ittru because e this willestablishd yeah when I was a little kid in Santa Monica and then in La my buddyDan, the guy who went to foot England right? We al M airline Dan. So we know he isyeah airline Dan- and I were we. We you know we like to you know,have a little spending money that we didn't really have. So we had thisthing where there was an avocado tree next door. We would climb in to theyard, steal a bunch of Avocados and then there was a safeway a coupleblocks away and we would stand outside and undercut the prices at Safeway andsell avocados and it was real cute. You knowal these little kids, but we keptdoing it well. Finally, I got out of the business. You know. I'd say likejunior iy like it was getting cut awkward right, it was more like it wasmore crivinal, you know, but my Buddy Greg, who is still one ofour best friends, replaced me so now it was airline Dan and Gregg, we're doingit and it was becoming more of an intecriminal enterprise. So one day this is crazy. One day I'mdriving my old life owned. My parents hold beatu Volvo through Santa Monicaand Sana maca. Has All these alleys right. My Vovo was kind of thisdistinctive blue and I'm driving through it. I hear this hey and I kindof STOPP. Well, it was my buddy Greg and airline Dan we're in an alley witha shopping, cart, full just completely full of Avocados from some nearby yard.They had brok it into and didn't want to push the shopping card and Volvoshad these big trunks. So now I pull in and they put all the ABOCIS in the trunk and aswe're closing the trump there comes a police car. Well, my dad is a Labor side union lawyer whospecialized in representing police and fire associations, including the SantaMonica Police, and he was like kind of the first lawyer or one of the first insouthern California to ever take on the Labor causes of police associations andhe was kind of like a hero because of the s instead of Llike, the union repsdoing the deal. My Dad would like put...

...they they go on strike and it was crazytim and he got them really really good deals that continue o this day. So hewas he's this kind of legendary figure among a lot of police officers. So, of course, I'm the guy in trouble. It'smy car right and you know he makes me open the trunk and hestarts doing the calculations and he says Yep. This is valuable ethough, itreaches the threshold, it's grand fest and I go grand theft O vocado and hegoes hey. You think it's funny fit ifelity and I'm like and so ten he sees my name on the IDand he goes wait a minute. Are you related to Steve Silver? And Igo yes, sir he's my father and he goes Steve Silver is your father? Do you realize that teve silver isrespected by everyone in this association? Well now my friends whoare Responsi with this are likel 'll laugh into the cells or yeah, becauseit's my dad and I like yeah and he goes Steve Silver- is respected by everylawman in this state and you know letting it on sickerand thicker and myfriends are now dying. They're like andhe's like she's silver, it's aLuchend, you know and fially says what do you think Steve would say if hecould see this and I said, he'd be really mad. So that's right, and so hesaid, here's what I'm going to do. I'm not going to arrest you but you're,going to come with me and you're GOINNA. Take all these avocados back to theowner, who called the police for breaking it at dry and you're, going toapologize to him for what you did so now, I' gotta go apologize for something I didn't evendo and then the couple es and my friends are dy and they think it's thegreatest thing. I'm Releo, we think Steve would say so anyway. AOCADOS arereally really important to be in by am freaking. Yes, I make the Guakabol yeah,okay, Grand Steft Avocado. We Won'twe will talk about that anymore hat, be agood brand name that would be sti like at you. Elimitations, I believe, isprobably up, but let's you know if I get sosecuted Owt, that's a bucking yeagreat allright, when you you mentioned before getting the call from sportscelustrated tellus. What's that that's like is a sports writer. I mean that'sgood, going to o getting draft in the NFL yeah. I mean it. Well, LISTEN IT WONE THOUSAND! Nine hundred and ninety four, and I was twenty nine. It was acolumnist that the Santa Rosapress Democrat, which was a cool job, but Iwas super frustrated. I felt like I should have had a better job. I'd hadinterviews at the San Francisco Chronicle set as Ay Berk ReduceSacramento B. I was willing to move. You know. I was young married, no kidsand I just was super frustrated and a lot of the older, more establishedwriters were super antagonistic toward me. They thought I was a selfpromoterwhich I was. It was pre internet. You know I was trying to get my stuff outthere. They didn't like my cozy relationships with players. They justyou know. I broke some stories. I broke the story of Joe Montana, gettingtraded in the chiefs from the niners. It was just the day today. Atmospherewas toxic and I was kind of like. I don't need to do this. The money shuckspeople are mean and I should have a better job, and so I kind of quietlyonly telling my wife and parents really took some classes took the El set was.I didn't really want to be a lawyer, but I was just kind of like looking forsome sort of alternative. I think I would have gotten in a law, school anddeferr to maybe try to write a book and as this is happening, I get the miraclecall from SI and end up getting hired and I felt like okay, you know now, I'm obviously staying in becausethat's hy, I was the pinnacle and I was you know I felt like okay now I need tocrank it up because I'm competing against the best of the world and I'vegot now now. Players want to hang out with me, so it was a I mean I went fromsingle aid to starting for the Yankees and modestly was probably rookie o the year,and you know at all startd pretty quick like right. I use the opportunity, but it was incredible and I had thirteenand a half years there, where I felt the whole time kind of like stressedlike I got, Ta uphold this very ice stanfard and never thought at leave andended up belieaving because I just got an incredible offer from Byahoo and theInternet was kind of becoming a thing and never thought of myself as a TV guyand then really happy that in two thousand and thirteen I I made the movedenafal that work going to start doing more on Cava. So so four things arightgive me your first interview, your last interview at Si your favorite interviewand your least favorite interview. Okay, SI hires me in November and it'sThanksgiving weekend and they send me...

...to a steeler raider game in La and I think to them. It's a throwawaywell write a short thing, but knowing what I know now, Iunderprepared I just said. No, as I didn't tell you go here on this day andtalk to this guy was just go whetever. You need to go. Go to both cities toGiga yeah go to the quarterback Dad's hometown, do what you got to do and thesteelers were in La on the Saturday I just went in. It was Thanksgiving Wikan I had thanksgiving with my parents in La I met the steelers Saturday atthe century, Plaza Hotel, which is a psychonic hotel, and it was like sc Noto Dame week, andthere was a lot going on and the hotel lobby was like your classic La You know, Eclectic mess that I ened up. Writingthat as by League, but I the steelers, were kind of an unknown fresh team inthe early cower. I got everybody, they were really goodand then they fucked the raiders the next day, and it was a statement, GameHan kind of announced them as the team to be been up losing that year at hometo the chargers and upset, but then Goingto the super bowl the next year.But it was a big statement, late November game, other things broke andit you know it ended up becoming a pretty cool story and they were greatafter the game so d, then I went to my childhood house. My Mom gave me dinner.I was in this dimly lip room in the den and yeah again no wat. I know nowbecause we used to write all night. It was nine M. Estern was the deadline.Mun Right, I wrote it pretty fast. I wrote loose and sent it in and I didn't know anythingon- mark Movoy, the man who hired me as the legendary mercurial editor of SI, woke me up about five thirty, themorning Pacific of the little landline where, in my childhood room and Ianswered the phone- and he said Michael Sometimes in your first o Bat Yo hat asigal. Sometimes he had a double, sometimes hit a triple. You hit a GradSlam. Congratulations you're on the cover of sports, illustrated. I waslike Whoa, okay, so that Wa well IAND. I was super loose right again, sothat was the first one. You said last interview yeah for SI yeah, I might it might have been me in MattLinerch in Sata, Barbara. He was doing some football cap. He wassupposed to be a big deal and it was either that or being StevenJackson in Vegas, which was fun too, but that's where he grew yeah. Were you ateammate of Steven Yeah I'll? Tell you that one? I think it wasthat they wouldn't. Let me write the story after I left at Iad am giving thenotes to someone who wrote it as if it was his scene, which was awkward butstepen Jackson goes back to his old high school in Vegas and Big Star at the time for the Rab at I'm, tagging Alon for a big SI story and he goes into the football like meetingroom right. where it's a surprise and he's you know, probably the piggeststars ever played there. Certainly you know in recent years, and they don'tknow he's coming so. The coach Ust says: There's someone here that I want you tomeet and they brings them into this tight quarters and they're kind offreaking at this won kid. This you know, White Eleventh, Greater, is so excitedthat he rushes up to Steven Jackson at kind of slaps thim in the face. Oneofthe most just been assaulted, and he knows thiskids not violently try to attack him he's just a kid just lost his mind, buthe kind of just you know what like this Itas, just you know and everyone'slooking to see what he's Goinna do, and you know it all got suffused, but itwas like it was pretty insane. It is go so so that was first that was last bestfavorite. Yet what's your favorite Avorit who's, the best interview everywhen you rid Si? What was the best do ton the Amoredo night, which is myfavorite? You know so when there was just a big thirty for thirty. Thattalked about some of this, but I got Tessi in November of ninety four andninety five in May. They called me and said we need you to fly to La. We needyou to do a story right this week and I was wasted. They could use me not justfootball using me on everything and I tried to get out of it. They said noyou've got to be this guy, so it was Dennis Rodman on the Spurs GettingReady. They ended up closing out a playoff series against the Lakers thatnight on a Thursday. I think I proceeded to go on a four night or afour day. Three night vendor with him La San Antonio Vegas, Houston,Sanantodio and didn't sleep partied...

W O was when he was first getting weird.You know, talkd about Madonna, talked about gay sex fantasies. I mean it wasinsane and rode a cover story that can I see it over late there on my wal onYour Wall Isa, it is yeah so II. There were a lot of moments that wereincredible, but I just remember were on a plane and he's got his big boomboxblastic Pearl Jab on the plane as usual, and we're talking about somethingpretty deep and he looks at me. He goes what's your nook story Adit. My nextstory actually turned out to be a cover story: Black and white cover aboutNASCAR and how it was America's fastest growing sport. So I end up hanging outwith you know: Kyle, petty and all these guys, and I started telling himwhat I was going to do and he just goes Broh you off fucked and I go. What doyou mean? He goes man after me, everyone's going to be boring, justGoin, be so ore, Ouyou're screwed for life and telling me how nobody's evergoing to be as crazy and open as I am, and I'm kind of laughing off, becauseI'd only been toutside. For you know, six blonds, but part of me is thinkingyeah. Maybe he might be right, you know it might go down hill. So he's probablymy favorite just because you know he just let it rip in a way Ven tos his booksto right. I wro one. I turned own the first one, which was amazing because itwas the biggest selling sports, biography and history at the time. So,but there were reasons why turned out right and then he came back to me.Havwe did the second and and then least favorite. Well, that's a great question. I know you'sehad some sketchy times, theres some cos a dumbness oryou. Like you yeaad. I hadsome had some issues. You know don't check it. I didn't start footing until they first year. I was a yahoo and hewas more of like my secret source back then, Oh, my God did. I just reveal asource he used to give me good information and Arcells thatd. I never got along ashanahand. We were good. We just had a littlerough patg after the Weir finished Article Yer G.I had dinner with him and his restaurant Ed Denver a couple monthsago, like a three hour. Didner he's the best, but okay, which story? Do youwant? You want the partcelves of the shatahead Parsoals, okay, so my first full seasonat SI. Now it's September, one thousand nine hundred and ninety five, the firstgame of the year. The game I covered was browns at Patriots that was thelast year of the Bella check coached first incarnation of the Clevelandbrowns right because they moved at the parcels patriots. So it was alsothe grand opening of the Rocker Roll Hall of fame. You can look at Hat binClaye, one thousand nine hundred and ninety five. So in the airport I sawSnoop Jackson, Brown Bruce springsteed. It was insane also Bella check. Who I had heard was thebiggest you know assholever and I started bonding earlyand he like had me next to him on the field of practice. With his arm aroundme, we were like we were boys for a while. It was real, weird and I got some good stuff in Cleveland andthat I went to do England well ourselves. You know I I didn't likethim, because he would give about an hour to the media every dayand talk about himself right. He didn't like he didn't, like any players everbig interviewed about anything and ostensibly it was because, oh I'mprotecting them. I don't want them to get too big, but what I really feltlike it was was he's into himself. So I went the Patriots Locker Room on theFriday and there was nobody in there. So there's one kid in there and I gotalk to him because he's the only guy- and that's just me and him for likehalf an hour and he's this rookie running back and his story is insane.He had Pittsburgh ties you're going tofigure out who it is, but he also had relatives in La like dray and some ofthose guys. Like the you know, the s hip hop, you know Lotl to guys and hehad been kind of a troubled kid and then he cleaned up his act, but youknow he had seen his grandmother stabbed through. He came over to findhis grandmother stabb through the chest knife into the bed with her there itbeen through. It was one of th, most insane interviews. I've ever had- and Ilike- Oh my God- This guy is incredible- an his storyes amazing, too bad I's.Just this rookie running back well, two...

...days later, Curtis Martin, it is firstNFL game- runs in from six yards out to go over ahundred yards atd score, the witty touchdown, and so I've got the greatestday story ever so I'm so excited. So after the game parcels goes and giveshis press cotforce yeah. I don't o to press comferences anyway, but I'mdefinitely not going to that. I just go the wockerover Se Curtis by bff, andnow I get more snufh fom the walk, eventually people spill out of parselspress conference and start surrounding me and curtis, because everyone wantsto talk to him and after about three questions, parcells come storming in abreak the theater, an he goesfrom here show and all immediae people make ustlook and again ostensibly doesn't want the rookie to get a big head and I'mlike no, no, no, he doesn't want Curtis Mark to get the love. He wants to getthe lot right. So I fol, I followed curtis out to the bus later got a greatstory and just gave up any hope of ever having a relationship with buildingourselves just started, crushing Hem, but that's so interesting becausethat's how you get all your storie. Somehow you find your way in because David I justinterviewed Peter King lastweek and he's like hey he's, likeyeah here, R, the three finhere's the I do this in front of Peter all thetime Ian people to Tak is ohe knows that I do Peter Kage almost as well ashe does Peter Day away goobut. He was like I'm. The nuts and bolts and andsilver just gets all the stuff that everybody wants ageit, but then they,the balls that do it, Peter Peters, pretty amazing. I there's so many amazing Peter KikStories, but one of my absolute favorites is it's. I believe it was. It was one of the Arizona Super Bowls Iwant to say was steelers cowboys like Super Bowl- thirty, maybe the one afterthat, but we're walking early in the week. It's like Monday and he's likecome on. Let's go half lunch and wwe're walking up and it was what he was firststarting to get recognized. He was doing TV and we would get stopped like on the way tothe restaurant and someone Wuld Gookay adhe be like hey. How are you and he yolike ye? Hey? What do you think of the Vikings end? He go. Here's what youneed to know: they've got a quarterback name: Rich caniand Y, give everybodylike a three minute. You know whatever Yos, yeah, yeah and and after about thethird time he looks at me, be Coese. This Peter King Shit has got to stop. Oh that's the best tatthat you doe king.You Must Mrl. Well, here's what I'm going to tell me aboutmy Peter King Imitation. It goes back to inee ninety two when he came intotown to cover the forgy, diners cowboys, NFC championship game and he said Hey.I sell your stuff in the Santa Rosapress Democrat, that's a prettygood antecdote! You had about third string, quarterback, Steve Bono,anywaywell you could and the great thing is, you probably will do itforever and now you go from ports, illustrate Yahoo Sports and now you'reinto NFL network, where you' doing nfl all the time and you you're really goodat it. You get all the interviews. I don't know tell me how you do it all like to me, because I watchyou all the time and you're interviewing, so many different guysfrom different teams. Do you have a pretty big group that helps you now andsay? Hey I got to talk to this guy, this guys guy. How do you? How are youdoing that now? Oh No! I do it all myself. So two things have happened,one now, the coaches, an GMS as scouts allwant to hang out with me because I'm old, you know like an they're old, sothat I still Gav a players to the degree that I can. But at some point Irealize, like God, I'm GRANDPA. You know this is kind of. I don't know ifthey want be up e club anymore, and so you know that's change, but what'sreally changed for the best for me is texting like I just I want to. I don't like with you. I guess I had acell phone that in theory could possibly work at some point with nocaller ID and no battery, but really what it was is. This is literally howit had to go. I get assigned, I don't know arams. You know chief story, it's at Kansas City, so I want to comeinto St Louis and I want to have dinner with Guss. You know, Thursday, night orFriday night. It affects when I fly so now. I got to call the landline andfigure out when I can get gus on the...

...phone and when I finally get him on thephone, it's like hey dude. If I come in on Thursday, can we have dinner and gusis cool? so He'd probably give me an actual answer, but a lot of guys islike yeah. I think so just hit me when you're, you know so now it's literallylike Bumbo boom. Hey can we have dinnerFridaynight yeah cool or no, what work? So it's just. It's allowed me to keepin touch with so many more people so immediately that it really is a saviorto try to wrap your arms around this entire lyge so cause well, yeah you're,getting guys numbers rather than going through the the information guys. Nolike Wor, yes, yeah, you know, and so every time you go somewhere new, youprobably try hey. I don't have that guy's number. I got to get it and rightput in your pits, an o, it's an art, because you know you don't want to beto like, like I've asked people and gotten shut down, because they don'treally know me. You got t you got to kind of go with Bibe, sometimes you'reasking the second time. Sometimes it be like: Hey I'm going to send you thatpicture, you know, try to do it organically, sometimes the PR guyshovering around and you know if you ask if yo get superock orecause rab likejust got through me, so and then people change their numbers and you know andall that stuff. But you know it's long as you can have a couple ofnumbers at every building. You can kind of build from there, but you're right,like I haven't cover, I haven't been to Pittsburgh in years I mean it sucks andI'm aware that there are certain buildings. Iprobably need to spend a lot of time in I did cover them in San Francisco. Imade a point of that a few weeks ago, just to right get some get somefacetime with people, and you know it's it's hard. It's a lot ofteam. Well for you, you never know where the next story's coming fromright right, like like Duf, SM, Darnald's number. Did you text them andask him? What ghost did he see out in the football field? I do that of SamDar Oer. I probably would have texted of something like Bro higto uld. Youknow flush this one down. I have it's funny. I have a lot of quarterbacksembers and there have been a few over the years who and I'm not talkingabout you- know Pat manting status there've been a few who are like youknow, they're good players, and they don't want to give ye their number andI've literally said to them. Like I'll. Take my foot I'll be like I have JoeMontana's number. I Damn Marinos Number Ihave John always number like reallylike you're really going to be the guy who's. You know I'm too good for thatand right sometimes that works and sometimes they're like yeah. Well, fuck,you, you know, I'm reall not Como, right right, Ai Mike! So we've had youon a long time. What of the last things we do. We call the no huddle ts our twominute drill, we're going to fire a bunch of questions at you. Wai Is, Ithought, ifeayuthat's what you dowith- Andy, oh Tosut, sorry I should we gave hit up. You gotto make sure to show her thatSeh. I will I will shill ow a show, listen the whole thing, so I'll digbefore we start to know Hoddl. You got to ask them our question because I bethe's in it. No, I think E. Yes, all right! So like we're hitting again, Isay this every time, but it always happens we're in about Nin fifty here.So when you're back in La playing ball on the streets, did you playwhiffleball? I don't think so. I think we playedover the line was our saing. You know and Stev cur used to play with us andhe's a really good baseball player. My Dad always talks about the over the Lingame because he played in a couple, but I don't think we played witfooball Wilfwa Ol no wil work down in the eight hundred. Now you you just brought usback Toyea Peter King played witfleball, so I don't know how do you play overthe one we had a picture. We had a Pictour need. Mark Me Sa Het do thigswith a whiffle ball that would make freak ten man OUP blush anyway. Gobut,what's over the line is that with the stick or what are you? It's a realbaseball and probably aluminum pats realistically, but a real hardball andit's just there's a pitcher at an outfielder anda line, and if you you know you can't just bloop it and get it in front ofthe line. That's not a head, but if you can get a ball over the line, that'snot caught by the outfield or Ogt, something I don't even remember therules. So there was a could play where he didn't have to run. He was into it. Yeui could run I just again. I wasn'tsuper fast. I wasn't slow, but but courage, courage was the real. I was asog on the soccer field, because no one really understood the shoulder rulethat now all these kids ou don't know. But I was the only one, a new you couldactually like ped a shoulder ride and be physical, so I was kind of anenforcer on the soccer field, but again ageit soccer players right right. Allright here we go nohotdll day, far away all right, Mie. What's your favorite collegeplayer, Basketball Player of all time,...

...and what's your favorite collegefootball player of all time, my favorite collse, basketball, player ofall type is obviously Steve Cur for personal reasons, but in terms of likeguys, I don't well. I probably my favorite calls basketball play of alltime is a friend of mine. I went to college with Kevin Johnson who laterwas an NBA all star friend of mine, a cow and became the mayor of Sacramentoyeah. We all try to save the world that that was like our calfing, so Yo weactually tried, but I remember like he was just our buddy.We met Freshman Yeur were freshman together and we knew he was like a agood cal basketball player, but he played this gate. Cal Gat to the nitending like a twenty year. No postseason strake was a big deal. Wehosted a game and there were these two six, four or bigger guys were supposedto be future NBA guards and Kevin. Just it was short, just destroyed them andduring the game, my friends and ire kind of look at each other going way.Like is he actually like that good and then I remember Kevin like telleve oneday like dude, like I'm, getting calls from these like scouts and stuff. It'slike, I think, I'm going to get drafted, I'm like really a. He went sepinoverall, so a CEEN Jodson, but and then he had steve were road roommates on the cabs together, I think that's Rokin worworked out what about COLLD FO was football. My favorite player ever you know, probably Marshal Lynch againas a caw guy. You know. I just remember: Col had this running back named JjArington, O ened up playing on the NFL, really good player, and he was comingback for his senior season. Er Junior season and Marchhom was a true freshmanand we'd heard a lot about hem and their first game was on the road and mybuddies and IALL went to this bar and Oakla hills to watch the game. Was Heday game and we were talking about Marshall Lich and hit wasn't startingJj Eric to was starting, and I go well whe's that good, you know and they gono. No. No everyone has well. You know you Gott, you got to know what, how topick up the bloods and he he doesn't know the blocking schemes and JJarrintons, really good he'll, be a nice change of pase guys. So firstcouple drive, Jaric, kids gaining lots of yards and it's all going well. ThirdDrive, they put marciall legend first play. They throw a sowing pat to theright and he paters down the sidelights that runslike through about four guys stiff irms of fifth and gets. You know dragged outbarly after, like a twenty six yard gain. You know and gets up all likethis, and I said all I'm saying is we're going to look back and threeyears ago. How many place was this guy? Not on the field like and what I meanuse am Relusiv baby, so right yeah he might, he might be my favorite, that'sa good one. That's a good one! You Know Rob when I was in school. I had robReberan that Hardy Nickerson, but I always joke with Ron Ravera cal that weweren't very good his. It was his senior year and I always joke that. Hewas like Jefferson at fast times at rich bod high, like Itsy, far or best player, just gjustkilling everybody. You know like, like someone had just you know, reais hishard yeah right right, my gods, a TV repair man he's got a rihteous set ittool. You can fix it. What's your biggest pet peeve, I, my newest biggest pet peeve, is lineto gain. I went three decades of covering football and it was yeah yeah.He needs three yards for first down yeah! That's where the marker is that'sthe chain. We had all different ways of talking about where you had to get O toget a first tyle without saying the word Ling to gain, and now I cannot gotwelve seconds of a broadcast without hearing somebody talk about the line togain enough. Somebody made it up, they had to make it special and it's not itjust there's the market get the first down yeah. No, I agree with Mike it'shorrible yeah allright. So maybe this might come into this question. If yourNFL Commissioner, for a day, what change would you make? Oh Wow, that issuch a great okay, God there's so many wellfirst of all. I would get rid ofthe subjective replay like the fact that we now have a rule where you cango back and find no calls. Let alone calls Hatd, it's a totally subjectivething: they're, not enforcing it. The way that I feared they would and woitht at we were told they would but replay. The reason replay was bornwhere there were a couple of famous moments where, like a guy crossed thegoal line for the wadhe touched down and then still shot show thut. The ballwas out. You know a half a yard before and you know you're supposed to justcorrect a measurable agregious wrong and if there's video evidence- and youcan do that- I'm fine with a you know...

...same with soccer. Like gollinetechnology great, you said it didn't cross the goal, the goal. I look theball across the line, but this Vaar they have for theyr going back andfighting pushoffs or you know flited his head. You know, let me give you anexample of how and I've tulked to Steve Care about this about how in basketball,I think we play is. It is after because we saw it in the NS champion chip game.So the good raps back in the day would do things like, for example, okay, hard Faly or hard collasiolate inthe game player on the Blue Team Hits player on the red team really hard, but he's got five foulsand it goes off the guy on the red team. He would just go red team ball, I'm not going to foundthe guy out, for you know, calliding with the guy that's a little severe,but also he doesn't deserve to be rewarded for t and get the ball wellnow you do that same thing, but you review it and the review. You can'treview the Coesion, but the review shows that the bral left the guy in thered team. So it's blue team ball. So that's like an unintended consequenceand you saw the NCA Championshipe game that if, if you slow down any younowguy, who hits a ball out out of another guy's hand, well yeah the bottle at thetiniest speed, probably rolls off the guy's fingers that you pushed it off.Ofout a Bounde. So technically it went off him at that speed. That's just dumb!That's your that's! Just like yours, yyour pit peep about baseball when,when a guy, overslide second and then in is Holdi lot and he see if he stolethe base, but they just hold the glove there for two seconds an then Oh yeah,I lekt, you know I hate it right. Wor I mean tink about baseball. Think abouthow many double plays. The guy doesn't really touch the bait. You know so yeah.So if I were commissioner, I would I would revamp replay. I would let's see I would change theschedulin format so that the Patriots don't play the jets and dolphins everysingle week which they seem to. I wouldn't do that, but I wouldprobably make a really good deal with the players and Nober wee testingchange the disciplinary stuff so that I'm not playing God. There's a lot offorget the money part therere. A lot of you know non direct modetary thingsthat we coul make a lot better with collecti bargaining right right. So ifwe're flipping through your phone you'e already given us a couple who's themost famous person on Mike Silver's phone right now, wow, that's a great question. I mean most famous or like that peoplethat, like I actually care more like you know, I have physicians in therethat, like how mony that Youw, you would text them right now, they'd pickup or you'd call and they pick up say: Hey Mike, what's going on! Well, I mean a lot of football playersare famous, so I mean Jo Montanas and ther. You know whatever, but, like youknow, Adam Durtz from county crows. Fellow Calilum is a really good friendof mine. He texted me the other day because he had just Gottento he justflown in from New York and was going to the Caworgan state game and he's likewhat do you mean you're, not going I'm like I'm going to Seattle to cover agame Le Cabal from two life crewis? What a Oe tect me back right now I miss his videos. Yeaher videas in a uperent Tut is good he's just that goodI's. Just that good, a real life, though Steve Curs, gotten pretty famous.I don't know you know I don't yeah. That's a good H S! That's a goodquestion! I probably would have to text you later after. I look through becauseHo o cary yeah all right. My who's on your Bayarea Sports Mount Rushmor! That's Super Azy because I did grow upa fan, so I can do this well, Moncanais, obviously one and when you have a literally in the cityof San Francisco, no they'd never wont a championship. USF had won, but theynever want a professional sport. Chevirge of Oakland had San Franciscoand not so when you go from we've, never won anything to a magical. Guymakes us the cream of the league and we Wen for and then later five so soMatana has his own mountain. But probably you know given the importanceof the forty niners, you know it's going to be him and Walsh together andthen I think you know, probably Barry Bonds has to go to Albey Ara wow,because you've got these got as too is this for me or what I think the areaYur well can't make a Comba of both you and what the ear asly, I'm O. I justGDN byokay W my emotional attachment,...

...so botano walsher there step curry isthere. I mean it's just it's super emotional for me to thinkthat this team I rooted for all these years. That was never good. You know,is that good, let alone has a guy like that that you know that tha've beenable to experience with my kids- and you know so Steph is definitely onthere. So that's three: it's not going to be any hockey players. Obviously you know I O K o Tom Brady's from thebay area, but that's kind of a stretch. I don't think people in the Bayre arlike. Oh my God, you know it's not like that. I think probably you know gotta fick this through I mean ReggieJackson's, Goinna Getta get some traction, Berry bonds, Er's, no raiderson there and then Willie Maze was kind of olderyeah and then you got raiders. You know can't really ik be rainer. I mean I kind of Love Eddy, that wholeseventis. You know Hendrix. You know, Oti Sistrug, get all the weird look atdudes for the S. I love all those gats did you ever. Did you ever interviewman? Oh, I love Maddan, love, Madem, yes,Maddens, amazing, I'm going to say Mytana wash curry andBerry buds sweet. Even though Barry Bons was a complete nightmaredinterview and never had any fun do with that. If you could go back in time for one day, where would it be and whenwould it be? I think it would probably be, let's see one day one day, trying to think how I can work this tomy advantage. I think it would be like late Octoberof two thousand and sixteen and I would be with Jim Comy, but I would beholding him a gunpoint, even though he was the FBI director a t at the time,so that he could not write a letter that he released that stalld themomentum of a campaign that was destined to win even with Russian bedling voter suppression, theElectroal College, at about nineteen other stupid, perfect storm things. Ijust think if Jim comy does it send that letter, we don't have these lastthree years of hell and Yoah Kno, I'm not saying the last three years wouldhave been perfect, but it wouldn't be a nightmare. So I you know yeah, I couldgo, kill Hitler and all that that would probably be better, but I think I gotI'm just going to keep it in the present and try to do my kids Asolid, just even if it's just the three years,and probably it's going to last a lot longer than that. What ar the damn?What's your favorite sports movie, the longest yard, is probably myfavorite sportonor, the original als, Oh yeah, the original, that's the firstiteratea movie, My Dad Tupme two one of my great thrills was when they, if you get the DVD, they release thethirty year anniversary dvd of the original, and they wanted someone totalk about it, and I was at Si and I got to be the voice talking about how greatthat movie, Isit's Awesome Iyeah, I think e longest Yar, probably longestyouar bad news bears. That's got to be top to Toour Day. Okay,what's the most overhyped thing in sports today, over hyped yeah, any perceived food or you know, conflict between two peopleis the most overhype thing. They don't understand gus, that, like first of all,some of the stuff that we used to encounter, if, if we put it on twitterback of the day- and it was in that environment, they would they' have noIdya some of the stuff that we were no Ino beand. There's always the sensethat, like Oh, my God, you know, people will say like Mike Silver should neverbe allowed in the browns building and I'm like yeah. I wrote some bigcritical about the browns and like one of the top guys of their organization.textould be the next night and we were talking about like shoes like her dude.I love those things. You were. What were those dress? Sneakers you werewhere agot the sidelines, I would ta get some of them like they don't getthat we're human beings and yeah. We Mitt get bad at each other andsometimes it's super deep, but for the most part like we're in the small world,and it's not as tramatic as you see, I'm not going to tell you what the mostoverhype thing, but I am going to tell you that the most overrated product in the history of entertainmentis forest gup, just a truly awful movie...

...held up as one of the greatest movies.Everyone loves it. It's so bad all right, all right! Last one have youever had an interview or interview e better than Dennis Robman did his did his did his kind of what hetold you on that plane come true yeah I mean, I think, time and context he'sprobably the best I've had people who you know say some incredible things andtell me incredible stories, and he was just the most fun, and you know I would say: Annie Ferrot is one of the greatinterviews o all time, and you know, sh' she's had some of the mostmemorable lines that did make itoprent to like when I say Nice things about a differentquarterback. You know an this. Is Dur your playing days? I would get callsfrom her and she would graphically describe figuratively, butin her eyes, literally the sexual acts I hav performed on said quarterback. Soshe would say things like hey when you get blake quarterbacks blank out ofyour blank. Are you also opening your mouth to do? Blake to this Quarterma quarterback, ITER? Three, while yougrab him with your hand and Satisfyini, and I paraphrase you should have never taken that call. I know right. She's hilarious hits anescape least e waescate. Well do oneone last one, and this will be like to thekids kind of as a learning experience. If you could go back in time. This isanother time and travel question, but tell a young light silver. A bit ofadvice for ten seconds say what would that at Nice be those times when you have the raw goods,but you walk it back a little because your you know just try to make it a little less brutal on therelationship. N't, don't bother just go because invariably it's always bad anyway, and I'd ratherjust you know I' rather just adhere to the truth, and I don't burn people. Iair, on the side of the relationship, but sometimes you've got the truth andwhen you got to go, you got to go, don't hold back right, that's good! Somy thanks for joining us in a hotdle. We want to thank you for listening tohoddle up with gus a RADIOCOM original. You can find our show on radiocom thenew RADIOCOM HAPP or anywhere you listen to your favorite podcast. Pleaseleave us a review or comment if you enjoyed the show, we are on facebook,twitter, instagram and Youtube at Howdo. Up with us. You can also visit us onour website. Hutdlo up with guscom.

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