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Merril Hoge

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Merril Hoge joins Gus and Dave in the Huddle but at somewhere new! Tres Rios Pittsburgh, on Carson Street was celebrating their 3rd birthday and invited us in. Tres Rios has amazing authentic Mexican food and some of the best drinks in town.  Merril was a great interview and shared some amazing stories from the moment he feel in love with football to catching gophers on farms in Idaho. Ever since Merril was eight-years-old, he dreamed of being a professional football player. Growing up in a small town in Idaho, the goal seemed unrealistic. But Merril didn’t just dream about this goal. From that young age, he used the words “Find A Way” to take action to overcome any obstacle and to attain any goal. Today, as he continues to strive towards his own goals, he also uses his Find A Way philosophy as a parenting tool, and challenges his children, Kori and Beau, to Find A Way to achieve their goals, overcome obstacles and take ownership of their lives. Merrils stories are endless and too many to write but I think you will find his Donnie Shell story very intriguing. He brings relentless passion to every endeavor and showed Dave and I what a leader looks like in the Huddle! You can learn more about Merril on his Website: http://merrilhoge.com/merril/   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to our podcast hoddle up withGus, where we talk to guest about how sports help shape their life. I'm yourhost former ANFL quarterback Gusfrat and I'm joined by my longtime friendand coast, Dave Hager. We are RADIOCOM original podcast and you can find utson the new RADIOCOM, APP or anywhere. You listen to your favorite podcast.Now, let's get in the huddle, hello. Everyone welcome to another episode ofHuddle up with Guss I'm joined by my cohost and longtime friend, Dav Hager,Hellel, so dave. Where are we today we're at truce? Pord me, I was justfinishing a chip, their trace Rios on East Carson Streem. It is I'll. Tell you right now, just get itout of the way. I grew up sixty miles from Mexican border Tucson Arizona.This is as good of Mexican food as I've ever had my life and I've. Had I'vebeen about forty restaurants, there probably you're not surprised whentisual fresh, you know, homemade like you can taste it. It's everything's Ho made merryll just sad,a Tako LE btjust. When you look at it looks different. I mean that means itlooks fresh soly you guyee're gonna, get this thing does right her car,Carson Street. You know new renovation going on in cars. The street andTraceryos is leading away with their amazing food. Well, what's especiallyexciting as Tyeu're having their third birthday party this weekend, so yeah,it's Beits, there's some set success here to we may have to come back thisweekend. So Dave in the huddle with us today is not a none other than MerrillHodge, so Merrill. Thank you for joining us in the huddle. My pleasorewe're extremely excited to hear your story about how sports shaped your life.So one of the questions that I always asked to start with is what was thatfirst memory you have of when you were young? Was it a family member? Was it watchingit on TV that really made you fall in love with with thewith whatever game you love at that time? Well, I probably was no differentthan a lot of kids that played a lot of sports. I I I'd love the. I could gofrom football to baseball, to basketball, to wrestling iven Rodeo, Icowboyd actually for a while. Would you rad? Well, I di barback and I did caferopen and so in fact, actually I quit slash got kicked off the Sop, my in mysopomore year in high school and I went into Rodeon. I went into cowboy and one of the first jobs ever had, which Ican promise you this. As long as you do a podcast, I promise you there's nobodythat ever had this job is on the first jobs I ever had. I mean I deliverpapers. I was one of my really first jobs a kid, but when I was around tenyears old, we got the we got a job to traff gophers. So in the West, irrigation is important where you floodar game. It's not like the east, where it rains all the time. All right I meanthe West when summer hits no, nobody gets any rain. That's why snow is soimportant to irrigate like that, so they flood or agate. They havewheellines hand lines pivolines, so the area that they flood at arrigatefarmers and ranchers. If you can imagine, if you're going to flood yourgay, you know twenty acres, you want it to be a the water to be access and moveacross ten acres wit. You have a bunch of Golfer holes. The water goes down anthe go, so they hate go. First, cattle will step in it horse of step in a holeand they bust their leg, so they hate gofers. So my brother and I actuallywere hired to really Trapp gophers in a eight hundredacre radius, and so here'swhat we do. We saddle our horses. We take thirty traps because it takes twotraps for Golferprol. So you really only going to attack four fifteen goforholes morning and hen fifteen at night. You know when you get the go fer youcut the tell off o put her in a we had a little glass container like this, andthen we at the end of the weekend, we drive down to the local market storeHandamar. Our job tells hay, give us a dollar tell so it was. It was one ofthe great jobs I ever had. I EA WE RADE horses all over up in the mountains.You know down in the college back in the day. How would everybody get a holdof you? They just my uncle. Well, let's see WBUT, it wasactually would stay WITF, my uncle, so he would call my parents to Sav Lhist,I'm going to pick thim up after work, which would be about midnight which ayou know when you're ten years old, like that was like. Oh, my gosh waitingup for that was terrible, but my time we made the rid out threrge at's halfhour away, and then we had all of Saturday and Sunday to TRAPP goperslose love that was more labor intensive than Bill Murray style to dynamiteright AWELLV that well listen. The dynamite came out later. If we D T seethat you bill murry show as much later in the day, but had we had machine thatearlier, we might have tried something like oe time Likans. Your questionreally was. I walked into my grandparents house at age, eight andfirst time I ever saw football on television...

...and I had been asked many times as akid to that point. Bute. What do you want to be when you grow up? What wouldyou like to do, and I don't expect people to know what they're doing todayJay, but I remember thinking Goi really have no idea what I want to do, but when I see it on TV I remembers theGreen Bay packers. I don't know who they were playing right, but I was Ijust captivated I was like. I had no idea these cats are doing what I'vebeen doing in the backyard on TV, and I was like here's. What was great about.I knew what I was going to do. I, like I'm Goingna, I'm going to do that whenI grow up I'm going to play in the national football league, so I couldn'twait for somebody to ask me what I was doing, because I was going to hammerthem with you. I'm Gon Playn wit thatal football league and as soon as I didthat I remember Biin Ass, I'm like on play the National Football League,Ibeoh Sun, you know o hard that is gity odds of you playing in the NFLR. Oh,don't put ya all your eggs on one basket. I want you to be disappointedone day or it was impossible right right, and it was probably thatexperience why I see things through a child's eyes more than most adults,because the people who were supposed to encourage me for the first ones todisagourage Oyo right and I've never forgot that as kid. So you know whenyou ask a kid what their dream is or what they like to do. Like you, theadult in the conversation right, yes, I mean was playing e nationalfootball. You got mean point Ol, two percent of high school kid senior highschool kids ever playing the NFL okay, then that is a small margin. I get allthat, however somebody's doing it and yes, the odds are tough, but it's possible. So why I discourage kidversus encouraging, which also led me to understand how Rasilian kids are itsprobably Wy, I'm so passionate about kids and making things better and saferfor them. You know creating platforms and Opportunitie, so they can grow anddevelop and hopefully live their dreams. Well also the odds of being from thesmall town in Idaho Tam in the NFL at that's stat yeah. Well, that becomeseven even listen. Owi took one plane ride in all my colle and Al my footballcareer like I went my hometown. I went from elementary school or kindergartento college, like they were same town whole way through yeah and yeah play inHa Big Sky, which is a one doublea school, even though our football. Atthat time I mean in the Big Sky. Here's the cut. Here's,the coaches that exists in the Big Sky, Jim Cutter, which is dirt cutters dadso je Kenner. Is there John Fox Brian Billock, Andy Re Catablende do that area to you.Had His name Jus Cape me up at CoachUniversity, Denis Ericson Yeah he was at I yeah. We had a whole host of John Fox, I've mentioned John Fox. Ithin yo already sent him Marvin Lewis, Tos Yeah Marvel Lus S. my linebackercoach, when I got tied of state wow dirt cutter was my high school coachbefore I went to ido state, so you got two coaches in the national footballleague that bow tere cutters from POCO celloidop, I'm from Popa, Jel IDO and acurrent. We all he went to highland high school. I went to Hiland HighSchool and take some hill. The New Orlan Saints is he for met Olf the Heshfrom my high school highli. So a few people have come from that area. But toyour point I mean the odds of that happening, but Jake Climer do he jakepumber is from Boyson, so he's e oter NSA he's a Ar Stat. We hate okay, aright. I love them now, but but back then you hateed that yeah you had thattorso! My Bet, man AF my wedding weemy wife's out there, John freez com, Ino,okay, John Freeze, I played against John Freez. He plays a you, so he wasup in Moscow. So noidao Yo had AP panhandle freeze up here, DEG plumbersover her, although in high school he goes, Thereizona stakeind plays andthen idole states over in the southeast corner. A lot of great people have comeout of Idaho. I so coach, Lynahan Scot Linnan Han. As one of my coaches. Hegot fi played against Scottwish a Lo, a quarterback at a universe, Adam rightand then stink. We know a margicalarcome Mark Laoinman when I puwhen he was university, Ido, not offento in right. So if Thats Lomean,it's not the power, I always sow people like Alabama. You know Florida. Theywere scared to come back to a steak. We we want hem o come an nobody want tocome on a we want to come to the dome now being a idostate got Sheu tigitthat's a great inGraoit's. A great thing about this is that you can just edit it all out. Soone of the things that when you get into high school, you know you've beenplaying all your sports right and you said what your junior year o you didn'tplan. When I sot more year, I saw O and kicked off quick TAT's Kof e MishalAgreement Coachin. I got fromorall...

...sports rearly Al Sports. I goonwent toI went into cowboy itco cowboy s that Wat Cawwa Rodo. You know you commit toRooo. You know you commit cowboys Imeanfi, have you ever gotne on aBeliev Yeh? Well, not a legitimate bull! Now, listen! You got a perspective here.Okay, when Youre Fourteen fifteen, now you get put onfit we'll just wat is use. The term of steer scare is not a bull. Okay, asteris that potential bull that had that ended when they castrated re, sorightat that end. I so much th t that INS that IED his isoptune to be ableand most almost all potential bulls are that's done to him and it's really forthe meat factor, the tender BOT. You don't have a lot of a lotable. Youdon't need a lot of ball Sammin. For that reason, so you could ride steerslike that. We would ride to kind of build up to that, but I never got towhere I WASD riding bolls. I role barback, which is a horse I mean whichis and that actually those are legitae, not heading national, Rodeo level. N. You know caliber of of an animal likeAi Te Bowl in the bettrback that exists at that, but all the things that existin a in a local Rodio O did you get back into Footb and sport. Well, I was,I was really working on Caff ropeend, that's whatht! I really was trying tobe good at and one day I'm out working on. I can't I rope a calf and I go tothrowing and I can't throw me and I'm like, and I Anda the frustration of it all. I youshould really hit me right then I was like you know what, like you, can really Meci go cafroright now I mean my brother has catro for ever in in the life and window and Inlo inlife O Journey. You have all these windows that you've passed, but there'sno reverse. Like you can't back up and relive YOURSOCF oer Youre in highschool, you can't relive senior yout and I'm like. Thank goodness. I wassmart enough to go ou, you know I'll, never be able to play football againonce these next few years or old want you're out in I school you're not goingthat's over and an and my heart really had that's what I wanted to do. I justtrurn into a bad situation with a head coach yeah and I was a kid and I didn't I didn't-handle it right and I didn't have a good support system around me forpeople, like my dad was not. He was not involved in me in in my hewas not involved in my life in the sense of like a teacher and a mentor. UYou know he was a dictator and he provided for the family and that's youKn, which is listen. I have great value in respect that, but he wasn't there tohelp guide me and to be canceling and help me through those times, and I madebad choice. Did he did he see? Sports is not just like another job like youjust you said activity in school. You Te on', Sayn yeah, they didn't see.Actually, he didn't see it in anyway. Here's whats great, he was a greatathlete yeah it was, he played yeas scholarship play, football was staywrestling champ shut. I used to. I got into a lot of alot of made. Me Love a lot of football. He was an official, so we would beballboys and that was like the fullst same to go to Hes High School game andcollege rames o be ball boy. So I love that, but he was not. I remember my dad talking me aboutfootball or any sport ever you know about what he thought about it. When Imade mistakes, she never said you know when I quit the team that you cadn'teven ask you know he was not. We was like whyd you quit and I'm like.Well, we just had a fallen out and midn' sayanything about it. You know Ididn't talk to me about it. Yeah I just kind of got lucky. I woke up to realize. I don't want to regret my next twoyears. Well, it's Fucky that you did that thought about that on your own,because a lot of times most of us will have a coach or mentor like that otherthan her parents. That will push US rince. I broke my neck in ninth gradeplaying football wasn't really going to play again and then my wife's father,who cosed me in high school Harry. Well, he recently just passed away last week.He pushed me but not in the way like Kay you got to get that out here.Saying: Hey just come around the team just be around everybody. You don'thave to play just be around everything, and eventually I got back into it rightwhere you know my dad was an old iron goes on Momilwar on my ie. You know,Theya back out to you know, wit a lot different and Harry just kind ofbrought me back into where I felt happy wonon football because e night gradeWen you break Yonr neck, you pretty darn scary sure you know of going backout there, but eventually I did, and things went on from there. So you knowwe all have different mentors. So besides yourself was there somebodyelse, you in your life, that kind of helped you get back into that and kindof well, you know. Actually there was oneguy who has been instrumental in my life ironically indirectly and theneventually directly, and it was really Walter Paiden. I I admired WalterPayton from afar in...

...how he how he played te an how hetrained. I found him to be fascinating because I was running backto so that made me. You know like him and want to watch him, but his style of how he played and then howhe trained in a unique way, and I think you always got to remember the accessto find out how he trained in things he did back in the latesers are not whatthey are today. No, where you have massive, you know, information ways toget that you with the wooden blocks under your hills and run the n yea hesrunning e pills right. That was the dirt hill is what I heard about. Iheard about that so, and he did it. You know in off seas be traine in you,unique late and hit was like wow. That was, and Itried it so I try to run these stairs anti. I tried to create my own WalcerPaton heel, and I wanted to know more things about him. I actually went tothe library one time to to search on information of WalterBag, and this lady was trying to help me and I really couldn't find out muchabout him at the library that I didn't already know a few years passed on andhe was going to put. I heard this tape of him that he was going to put outcalled winning and life, and it was a variety of things that was going to beon this tape. It was Gong to be his charity work that he does his familylife that he did and how he trained, and I was like. Well, I only care abouthow he trains. You Know Right, I'm a kid. I don't care about family. I don'tcare about Cherry ut. I want to know what is he do that can help me, whichI've always encouraged. People circumstances happen to us all, ratherthey're self anflicted or by happen stance, regardless of how thecircumstance came in our way, Kait's our job change that circumstancecorrect it make it different. You know you don't want to Si if you're ging, tomake excuses, point, fingers and cast blame. That is a poison recipe fordisaster and it's a quitters mentality and I always from a very early act. My first book Ititled Was Fined Away Because those words inspired me right to take actionso anknow. I get this tape by Walter P, I'm fast forward to all the stuff.That's bore me to death. I get to a an interview process. The interview ErFirst Question: She asks him what makes you better than everybodyelse? I'm like hat whate, like that's exactly I bought this now. You guys know want to paint- and Idon't know and n people thatall hear listen to your podcast. They may haveheard him, but they may not know- and I don't assume everybody does know abouthim, and you might not even know this about him. This was always said aboutWalter Payton. He wasn't the biggest. He wasn't the strongest, he wasn't eventhe fastest. He was just the best. Now I'm going to tell you this at age,fifteen, that's confusing how the world can somebody who's the best in thenational football leaue all time, leader, Russie you're, not the biggestin the strongest or the fastest. I that is like it didn't make sense to me as akid as yeah you, I think, most kids, when you'e growing you're, like all thebiggest strong thats, are always great, but this is a great life lesson for me. It stillis one of the most profoundthings I've ever heard of human being said I live by it. It became me Iadopted this immediately from hearing it, but he paused for a second and lookedat Hir, a D He'as like I want it more than they do every day of the week. Now, when Iheard that I was like, why can do that? He goes when I prat when I train an theoffseason, and I nobody's with me on that dirt hill at six o'clock in themorning. He goes. I want it more than they do Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,Thursday Friday in Saturday he said and we're getting ready to playon Sunday,Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. I want it morethan they do. He said then, at Sunday at one o'clock or you better, bothbelieve I want it more native. Well, here's what I did from that moment as akid I was like I'm Goingta do that every day I practice every day I trainand every day I's like I'm Goinna, do I'm gonna, I'm Gongto want it moranybody else, hi prepare how I how I get ready, then how I play now. Hislife has moved on from that experience hut around fifteen to today, which is some thirty years later. It is still amentality I had. I have it's what I developed that moment in that second,but here's the key to the whole thing when he said it that most people likeif you Sayd Hey, do you want you want this? U D you like to playin thenational fooball Legu. Would you like to do ad, or so everybody will say ye?Yes today, but then, when you say you got to do this every day, that'swhy people start falling out.That's where I like, I didn't know it...

...ws every day and if you looked atWalter, peyton skill set. Okay did he have a unique skill, Seidin with giftedguess, but he got the moast out of his skill,say at a high level. Now one thing that I learned, because whenmy career ended I was like man, I really kind of failed. I di I neverbecame close to cauld. I use Walter Peyton as a standard. Now for a moment,I'm like well. Anybody who used Walte Patonis standard probably hasdisappointed. I go. That's probably the wrong GAI COUL BA, but here's what that,at the end of the day, that he taught me that I have no regrets and I thinkanybody in life, if you' listen to what I'm telling youand you do it, you'll have the same piece I have. I got the most out of mytalents because how har I train how Howi played and that I have peace with like I gotthe most out of my touse at, took me as far as I could possibly go, I don'tlook back and go actually there's on one regret a this is back when wedidn't know better ther e, I could have rested Morn. You know I worked myselfso hard sometimes, and I really wasn'nd. You know I beat myself down versus havemyself primed and ready, but that habit has been true still ti day. I use itall the time and it's it's the thing that has separated me in many times,especially in in Ateri, because I'm Ati, I many guys got cut and you go hokanthat guys bigger, stronger faster, but we think OL consistency. You think ofsmarter and every day when they, when they evaluate you, there's just toomany inconsistente. If you think about human performance, really, we think invery basic terms, like runfast jump high. How strong are you at, butthere's more to human performance than just that right mobile? If you don'thave every ingredient to bake a cake, a kicks not going to turn out right right,so part of that human performance is what's in here and we say it all timein football right that guy had a lot of this rh inside it's chest, not becausehe could fasterthrow yeah that helps. But if you don't have that in there todo one want it more than anyone else, then your human performancis it goingto be high as a e carnal del about it. And so that's where I look at humanperformance and I see all those guys that that there ere a lot of guys couldthrow the batl harder than me. You know make throws better than me, but couldthey do it all the time when theyr working art to Ma Riht BC? Those arethe things that keep you around in your business and your job and whatever youdo for a long long time. What I tell me Elt t actually applies to everything.Stocer Sports, I mean there's every any craft that you're in. If you can liveby that model, do you know Juknol taught me the the uncommon approach,which is really why he widened my scope and looking at my craft, and there wasmore that I could be doing than I was doing right and I made data part of mymakeup from that moment on to like what can I do more on every play versus justmy job right and I can give you Moreang Story: Fon Te, moring story that wouldnever make sport center, but, as you know, when you're sitting there onMonday and you're watching tape and you're like Holy Calmara, you know youwant to Extramo thank o your health there. You know what you ll get thefumble, because right, if you don't get that fumble, you know. How often do youhear that and you're not standing over there you'Reyou're getting yourself inthe Boont as dozens and dozens of experience like that were like yourteamage and your coaches valuing right exactly so here we want to take alittle shirt, break, come back and and talk a little more to merryll valetstay and play in your next getaway to Los Angeles, the Western bonteventurehotel, an sueets offers effortless access to all the city of angels has tooffer whether you're hoping to catch a concert or sporting event. Our hotelsjust moments from all the action in accessible to Hollywood, beaches,museums and theme parks. The package includes a guest room and valet parkingreservations, use Promo Code PSF in the codebox when making your onlinereservation or call one two hundred and three six, two four one thousand andAstro promogood PSF all right now, back in the hoddle with Merrill Hodge, youknow our our show. One of our sponsors is the western Bonaventure Hotel? UAlla Beautiful La! So if you get a Chance Hee, the western bonaventurewe're here at beautiful traces, reals down on Carson Street Dave. You'veeaten some of the food. What do you think it's outstanding? I, like I saidearlier, I'm used to really good Mexican food grih growing up insouthern Arizona. This is as good as anything I've ever had it's tremendousareo service, handcraft drinks, everything's homemade, yet s, that'sthemargaris Merill! You had a Margari. What do you think Weo to listen fromthe talk ses I walked in? I saw the food I was like okay. This is this is different. This is like freshand special and I'm like I wasn't...

...really that hungry and then they'retalking about how they make everything. I'm like I'll, TAK y ABNC reit. So wewant to get into. You know a little bit of merryll's next stage in life right.It goes to Idaho state and then all of a sudden he's in the NFL draft. He getsdrapped at ten pround. I think, but still sitting. What was that experiencelike to tell us what it was life play fore: Goodsburt steelers? Well, I'mgoing to make this pretty suscinct. When I was a kid, my favorite team wasthe Pittsburgh steelers who, as your favorite player Walter Paton, and so Ihad both of their pictures up on my wall. Since I was a kid Ai know thewhat's the team, is it the BRONCA? Well, it could be because you're in the West,but now you always have to use perspective and bring people back towhat would? What did you have that was accessible back in you know the late searlya. It was like ABC Monday night football that was your real acten Tamson right time, Stev, who's, Winin, suitboll, allhe time, Steve, SOS, likeSan Diego and Denver. I didn't eve realize San you and Denver were evenplayed in the NFL for years, because it was just R t. like you know, you gotDirectTV Andyo watch the reds on Chanlel se, everything bfor the thatGan exist. You haveto know that ee had a couple games. Monday night was thebiggest night and the stewards wone the end ibronically ID had this irritatingfriend of mine. She was in my math class and she was a cowboy niht. Sheloved the cowboy like, Oh thisis, so painful my so every time she steaneship cowboys play the steevers would always win. I could wait to get toschool on Monday when that happened. So I was a big, huge Steva fan and when ICAM I went to t e combine and Ihad I'm glad that they don't have tape from back then, because I could go downand Thi Wan. I like come out and just hear underwear and stand in front ofwell all those things min to this would have been. I actually would have madeTom Brady look good. I gottin the flu like four days beforethe combine. I lose twelve pounds. Oh I actually here it was my goal for thecombine, because I was on antibiotics and all the stuff thi had. I had to getmore from more doctors, written prescription and notes what theydprescribed fror me, because when I did the drug test, they didn't wantsomething e up as a faulse all right to me. So that was the majority of my work.When I got the COMBIC is handed to everybody all the medication. I was on, I was atrocious in every aspect of thecombine. I ran the forty yard death and I'm telling you I felt like I was inquicksand, and this is not a like, because I don't I'm not smart enough tomake this up. They don't have the Lazers everybody's axcel in the fieldoter. They were all stop on yeah, and so I was like. I ran O forty. I knowit's horrible and I'm like usust want to kind of get an idea of where I stood.You know if it's short of you know the sun dial to you know I mean so. Iactually there's a raider scoup and I was projected go o the raiders in thefifth around is somofthe monk drafts. Out of for some reason, a lot of peoplehave to go the Raors S Standt. I just kept the guy on the shoulder and I saidI go what it Igo whatever on that. Forty in he turned to me, and he said you don't want to know, but here'swhat's going to happen to you, you Goe somebody's, going to draft hi you're,going to back somebody up they're going to get herd you're goingto take their job and they're never going to get it back. WOWALI. I tacklikeathe Hottest Yeah Proay, I inted to know was my forty AC. I dodn forty Iwas like, but I walked away, jus gun and what what happened? I get drafte bythe steelers Ci'me backing up Ernest Jackson, a frank follered and what I could do everything. So I becamelike chuck value that I was our third downback. My most people never knowthat. I I mean I don't know what full back in the in the country are in theNational Football League was there is your third down back to Wel IA yeah, soI that's. How can I make the team, but by time my second year comes around, Iremember Chuck, saying: Okay, listen. You can run catch and block Youre Gointo start, and I started foralmost the next ten years here and in Chicago and that's what happened andthan actually ernest had gotten banged up a little bit frank was on Hesehonnies realens last year, and they got rid of both of them. Actually didn'thave a backup for almost eight years Wen o back. I didn't have a back up. Wehad all tailbacks and I was the only one and you know I played there down. I hadnobody in ther at purpose. You were going ever the Ketchen Bob backfielldyou were. You know there was SAR down as one of the most important tin right,because that's when a lot of crazy bikes come and that's why I couldlisten. I Love I mean I, we plutd against Buddy Ryn. So if youhat te play against Buddy Bud riny an you, never know what your Uis the mostbizarre third DAW. He could do things that were so unsound, but he wasbanking on we're going to get your quarterback before you have a clue.What's going on an DICKHOP WO is my...

...running back coach Hos, a brilliantcoach. We we sit and talk about it and he would beliterally come down Co. ThisI don't know what he's Goingto do, but here's what you got as Sas: okay, likethey, they had play with one year they play with five Defensye blimband andthey would line nd let' start them on one side of the guard or the other andthen line him all the way outside the tager and then bring all five like. Wecan't expect our offince in line to slide all the way out thete. We can'texpect them to see all of that. So you've got five yards of death. Youhaven't a vanage, they don't they got things in their face. You got some Dev.You got to filter that out and just pick some people up to help them out.You know I hade a responsibility, but I'm like they might mess up, so yougotta account for T, and they would trust me with that. And I'm go tell youthis. I can't think of many. I get e anytime, where I wasn'table to do that like I could tak, I knew when they were blits and I knewthey were coming from only thing I did have to do. Sto The ball. That's aspecial skill because I play with a lot of running backs and a lot of people inthis need and being a quarterback in e shot, gon on third down and known wherethey're coming, and if you have a back that can pick that up. There's a lot ofprotections that you don't have to call an you just run your simple projectionsand your backs gon to pick the extra guy up and you knew it would you justit right, that'syour right Chesertalerwas like that and when Ipayed for the like Al Right, Yo jus come in side pick it up. You just justknew what to do. You know, but there were other guys where you knew that hewas Mike Sham, my ca, that's it riket! You know what I mean, and youappreciate this to it. I'm sure they were like this well coach. They blockmy guy well, but the other guy ran regt by you riaht it. I was my guy, I'm likeWeno Lik, Walk Og. The right tackles whith right right, but Ho you had toSeim you soaid! Well, wasn't not someg guy runs right by the back rightit'slike. Why didn't you pick him up, but that's my less on my guy I'm like, but he's gonna kill the quarterbackYeah Ani you just like yeah would myo exactly so so you play for the stealers.You had two different coaches, yeah, two different coaches that are now allthe Faan. What is that like to you? What do you think as far as are therecoaches now that are croaching that you think could be the same level, so yewhydon't thin any question bill. BELLACHECK is like those two guys and you know hermeneor her medwards andI were on bspn one day and herm was talking about. You know this is oldschool. You know and he's talking about accountability, responsibility. Youknow working and being prepared and is hes going through it all. I've said youknow what her. I don't believe in that I just I don't think that there'sanything I don't think old school is, I think,at's the only school you're going to tell me that ou working hard beingaccountable being prepared being responsible. Those things are anydifferent in the ffies than they are today. It really lat STAP, reallyanyothink about success and this books I klow about sports. That's part ofeverybody, who's successful it something all of those things exist.Good winner self reflect good winters, make changes of good winters, you know,create a plan and then they take action. You know they don't say aregard, so it's not just football chuck was the greatest man that I'veever been around. I was smart enough. Thank the Lord. I was I got drapped andI was twenty one, the NFL and I'm telling you. I remember sitting one ofmy first meetings when he was talking dog actuall t was the chief to was thechief and Mr Roney. I mean the chief and Chuck, and I remember thinking youknow what every time you sit in this sea, if that guy is up there, pitattention to things he's telling Yom, because what ends up being some of thegreatest counsel I've ever had in my life think he was the greatest man andshe I say that because he wasn't just the coach, he was a fabulous lifeteacher. He was the was amazing at how he prepared you for lifeswork and then,when bill cower came in. I remember all of us. If clutly myse was just like man,I would have hateted be that dude yeah, I'm like this is not going to be easy, and thenyou know an you know. I remember Hanin his first, his veryfirst, our first team meeting hhed talkedabout he listen, I'm goingto take care of you throughout the week and that'ssomething Chon Chuck we play t sh, we had short ardies doline eight playslive on Fridays, yeah co we should get in Shoer, go Ho y Gashil. They werethree in now now he's got t play Sunday before and Al we're GOINGTO. We winthem all this week and bill was really adamant about taking care of US bubeing prepared. Then you take care of me on Sunday and man. He lived up toHEU had an energy that was enthusiast like I wanted to play for bill. Ididn't never. I didn't want to let chuck down either soon, but he made youselfaccountable. He was like like chuck on Saturday like this. Is I'm done?Okay, your job now to get ready on Sunday? This is your job. It's not myjob and bill was much different, but he gotthe same results like you didn't want...

...to fail me. You wanted to play for himand at the end of the day, I think that's one of the most important thingsfrom a leadership, an a coach. Can they get everything out of you and can youwant to play for that? Guy Right? Can he ask you so yo I mentioned dirtcutter see dirt cutter was my high school coach and dirt cutter was one ofthe grace minds that I've ever been around and he's a guy. I experiencedthat in high school, like he could ask me to do things remember. He was askingme to do this throwback pass in this game that we're playing up in Boiecapital high high school, which was right, Jake flumbers, high school right,although jakes way behind me, so they mean they're tearing us up. We justwere playing like the wish bone. I mean every every ball, they hand is to meit's boring here. Hogle odress, like Oh, my cash. Is anybody else on as tad sothes Dside, let's to a throw backpass and is I come to sounds like terk gaino way? I go thik by time. That ball is to me. I never going to throwl thatback. He said. Can you get it done for me, and I remember thank you. I get it OO,Foryou I'll get it done for it. I'm sure is sure enough, though, by timethey pitche me the ball. I got like I remember, they're black and Gol the'rethey're screaming on me. I grab the tip of the ball and I just throw IUT ashard as I can't to our quarterback WHO's. whide over because I all lev weand we end up wining, but it was just like you know. He gave me that extra I'll get it done for it. I don't knowhow I'M gonna. Do it? U Im gonna, get it done for it, and bill was like that.I love playing for Bill. It's an honor to play actually for both guys yeah, Icanmetn and date that you mentioned before you went through the list ofpeople and he'se played with Aare. Now all the famers we counted betweencoaches and players, an kind of seven all famers yeah he made U in theremight be more. We were just going through, but okay, you coun donny showyeah because Donny shelllocker next to me, I learned a lot by Donnie show whenI first got in the League. People always ask this: Is Am fans like no getyou the hardest, I'm like welllet's. Let's go no further than my second weekof training. Can I torpedo John, I mean Sedonni show because we would ourpractice ere more live practice, so we got after it and Donny Shell. I TIK Thebects week. Five, my week, four five it was later in training can because heDonni Shel, would always like blow up a running back blow up a guard and thengo over and hit put. Do it to hand touch on the running back on the otherside, Oline screems, like three yards, dee and chuck, you know be losinglosy's mind you, you got to get this guy walk, we can't, let's he say in Hemand then donny would go o run it again right it sid. That would just kind ofadd fuel to like you know, Avinselt injureyd and I would always watch theseplays, and I'm like man I ever ever an in that hole when they call that playI'm Goingto, op killing ill, destroy him I'll end his career when they callit because we had like ten running backs back then right. We have ahundred players. Ninety do a hundred players, something what better way tomake your mark, but the odds of you getting in the puddle and having thatplay called when he was in there is like you know. Vegas I be eyadds areagainst Youh. Well, I'm chase. Like week four five, I get Hoon a thirtyeight boss on, like I'm lookig out thirty ones out tdown like Oh hisis,I'm Gon, I'M gonna I' want to hit he I'm gonna, kill him donny sheill never be the same afterthis plays over, say pitc e ball. When I tell you everything I got from the deepest part of my soul andHart, I hit him with and as I hit him, my entire body just crumbles. Abolt thelightning screamed down the back of my neck. I felt my pads give way. Myhelmet comes off. Like my my strap was busted on my Stik, I'm like I'mliterall. I feel Parl like Ecaus, I'm like my legs are stiynging. I mean myshoulders killing me my helmets rolling off thes side. You know my illbut, mycheek pads are rolling everywhere and chucks like marrel. That's the Wayte,but you just got to keep your legs going and I was thinking Han. I can'tfill my legs o just. I can't even fill my leg and you know he touched the backand you know chucks lose these mine out here. Run again- and I was thinking mantey ever run out again, do not let me be in that huddle. I was like I'm Jacinnow, Donni show was five. Ten hundred and ninety five I mean could strike you.He was the best striker I've ever O, go to Flfil, go to NFL films and see ChuckTalk that same foot same shoulder and he mastered that he hat like what twelvthirteen years he'd mastered it. I had like twel or thirteen days in thisthing I I do notbo like if I could ever strike like that. If you go back andlook at the plaff game that, where Earl Campbell was hit it the goal line thatthey shown in a Poan yeah that was the beginning of end of OARLL or a Cabeland people don't realize that was dimin. Shell Te Rady Donny show was the donnyshow was the standard at safety before Ronni lit no yeah before Onand people.Forget that and don't realize he has the most interceptions by safety, ansurable history. He couldn't catch cold when he got here,but you got donny, I played stalwar Wemy. You know we didn't Couhal e Tala,OP, Jemoni, Dasin, Demani Dason rob...

...work, Kevin, dreamrod Woodson. I gottraveled together. Monnie dossn was my neighbor brother D and I ar reallyclose. I love brotherd, so you go through your career. You retireyou're, making that move. I think you retired the year. I came into the lead,one thousand nine hundred and Niget O yeah. So I was drapped in ninety fourby the redskins and you making that next transition in your life. What wasthat like? Did you know that you were going to be going and doingproadcasting or trying to trying that out we'll be honst ish? My Cre way mycareer ended in Chicago. I go back to a chuck, no lesson. He always talkedabout your life's work. He said guys, ain't football, you know I'll beprepared. You know if you haven't got your degree, get it. The stagees you're going to get veryfew people get, he said, use them, don't abuse him like I'll. Never forgetthat use, I'm don't abuse, musthat mean and there's so many players and peoplefeel like because you play in a failure. antitle to them, which is I'I, know itthout a fact. It'sthe wrong attitude to have, because people were more unwilling to give youan opportunity. Look at you and give you things. Other people won't, butthey are quick to end it. If you're going to be, you know disrespectful anArian about right, ANMAC, abubbit, so well bv the Lobal Radio Station here,one of the gave me Lii had no, if you have said in high school or College,even ask me like what do you want to do? I mean ow to Giveen, you like somethingin fitness, something teaching and coaching. I would have never saidbroadcast ton't, even I wont ev by Thought Process, but because I was Iwould listen to Chuknol. They asked me to do to be ther first. Actually I was one ofthe first players ever to do a Callin radio show back in like the H, eightyseven yeah I get asked to do. I they HAV anything like that. Remember PA DV,so I do it for a local B. Ninety four be know Yeahso by I do a Callin and bninety four on Fridays. After practice, I have to go sit in Pat Handlin and DanEdward Pat Handlin runs the giants. Pat Hadlan now runs Jacksonville. Okay, Ihad to go into their office and had to listen to me. Do the radio show? So Ido this. It becomes a big thing. People start talking about it in the summer.Dbe asks me I'Mi'm dumb, not stupid. They go. Howmuch is be. Ninety four paying Yeu and I I paused just nou because theyweren't paying me spot right right just enough for them to go. What if we put apackage together, I'm like sure you GNOWNO put pactage together Mike Sthey,offer me ten ZAND dollars: Okay, O Thinko the answer right, Rell, yeahright right because Jus, because I'm a bad negotiator right, so they off betenosand dollars, but the key is. I have to come to the studio on Mondayafter Games- and I was like I remember thinking- okay, the money was I was like Ialready got to get up at. Like you know, six thirty, I got t get up a Fiven,thirty N, but it the state th t I was in the South Hills and I was in thethat the actually I'm going to pass the studio on the way down through forthefort pit ton. So I'm, like I kept hearing chuck, you know, use your stage,don't abuse your stage. You know really do your part in the process as thin.Your Life's work, I'm like a you know. I just I better do it so I agree to it. First Time I ever walked into a studio.Was that day I remember I opened the door and it was like somethingcaptivated me. It's like you just crab. Like you know all these can like I'venever seen this is I this coolest thing. I've ever seen and I'll start askingquestions so that sparked my passion, towork towardsbroadcast so different than anything you've ever done in your life. Yeah Tand owit was just it's so I started doing Thursday shows when I get signedby the bears part of my deal to go to Chicago was. I did a two hour Mondaynight football show Walter paytons yeah. I did teseive my the CBI thing, CBSPrean, Post Game TV show I had broadcasting contract as part of my my transition yea to play in Chicagosome of my career ends. I actually actually you know what I was reeling,because the way my career ended because it was like week five of the season.I've had improper care with head trauma and people see think concussionsentered and that's not the case. It was improper care that ended my career andI was not in a good place. I was going through the Pression I've seencounseling I mean I always AV trainer reck and I was reallaing on a couch.Looking remember looking down going, I am I'm a disgusting mess and here's achallenge for me to take action and change things. Youknow puit point fingers and cast and blame and make an excuse. I mean, andit's terrible I lost my Grivit if I keep doing that, I'm going nowhere, soI really start reaching out in the thcoaching and kind of broadcasting.ESBN had been talking to me. Well, Mr...

Rooney called me: Miss Roony asked meif I would be the first player to come into the broadcasting booth. It thesteelers- and I remember saying well gasting I go Mr Anigo. I don't thinkmyron would like that and he's like. Let me just remind you something:That's not myrans choice, Butgot, a good point right, so I become the firstyew most people would never know that because they didn't. Let me talk, itwas, I mean Bruce Gilbert, who was the? It was a WTA when he was the directorprogramming director for WTA. They actually called me into the officeafter a few weeks because it was not going well because Myron didn't want methere yeah Myaren, even though I tried so listen t mino admire you. I respectyou I'm here to learn. I will do whatever you ask me to do get I just O.I ites Getin work, hang in, I merica and just walked away and was like Egowit. I wellyou know, listen, I can get where he was feeling. Oh here's aplayer taken over because this is kind of like really what happened on Mondaynight football. He was against Dandy, Dan and coward herself right see, Howard Cok,Chell really believe Dandy, Donn had no business being init because he's afootball player wasn't a broadcast. He was Adaman thin. You can't do thisbecause you play football you're, not a broadcastyea, which was obviously ewrong. The WHO who's the best way. I don't care what we're talking aboutis't somebody who has lived it and experience it thet best, one to shareit right. You know this really. Is You Howard, Omsel S, good as Yeu was, couldnever tell you the depths, but what it's like to walk inside those whitelines, step in a hoddle Hes, a noin O etre right. He was. He was. I loveilove Howard yeah, but that's how really mirnless he was just like. Hedidn't belong hair. We yeah, I mean they watched it. They never lived. Iright, and so, when you look at today the broadcast renser out there you didfor what ten years. I think you, twenty one you ere in broadcasting. Two toandyine twenty intwenty, do it yeah so well I twenty one odsbn and I reallyd Iworked. I did it a year that almoso twenty five years, who you've beendoing for a long time and who, who do you like listening to like? If you saythis, this group is, do us do the game? You know what I actlly enjoy. I like I like Troy. I mean I like I like that group that that team, troy and JoBuck Yeah Joe Buck. I think I love Joe brocx humor I've nown Joe Buck forever.His wife forks vspn IV know her forever tryn to I've. Always I like that,here's. Why I like it. They then there's some broadcast teams. Tit justwon't shut up. I mean it's like Oh my gosh, his let it breathe. You know anddo you like Tony Imean? I think he's gotten to the pointwhere I'm like. Oh my gosh, Tony just let him play play just let him do it.Yeahhe's Predicton Hes, a lot of stuff and he's predicting it wrong. Now heknows given a hundred different things that they're just flying over your head,I'm like Tshyou got TA. You really got to know what you're doing fo, don'teven understand what you're telling people you know and it's Sokay to letthe play happen. It's so Cagu at the fan enjoy what ther as they got, thatyou know. That's the one thing you have with TV as you always have the visualform. It's not like radio, where you got to constantly yeah keep the viewer.What's going, O e have to put a picture in their mind. You know- and I I did alot of I should I used to do playby play toI've done playby play and color, and that's you like a playby play guy.Here's what I believe, like the less words, the better right. You know, I'minofirst ten, you knowmy homeis back complete t, okay right bump, then youlet your color alrigh. I do a lot of Goodah and I just I just think they'v Sgot so te point Yo like H, there's never a break in the air. You know yeah,you think like. I look back tat. Some of my favorite when I used to watch wasmad and Sommero itey was classic as class kits when they were on there.They were just who they were. You know men scribble it on the screen doing alot of that stuff and and to me that was like okay, you had one guy who I both Eres, iner element, but John Las,I'm grained in it for years. You know. Actually I think one of the greatestawards I've ever gotten. I made the all madened team in ninety three I think orine t wun ND, ninety one, maybe and Maden you could only be on the mad team.If you watched you play OAAND, get a game mee you! You couldn't be a part ofthat and what made me, what got me on the team and I'll be played thePhiladelpha egals and I had a good game numberwise. But there was two playsback to back that I blocke Reggie White head beat our guard and I stepped upand now read you right. Jis, like slapping me we're coming back. Imn, I'mscreaming to Bristow we're coming back coming like, but I'm fighting rightIbso, so this happens back to back in mad went not he's like Marrol, Ifucking regiby whatan. You know how er...

...how we did yea great a then when theymade me part of the team. I you know they called me. You know they didn'tEve te hand you they give you this plaque. It is it's that Ol footballtrench, Cote picture e, the ward vmean the CLAC. To give you weighs aboutthirty five pounds: Wow. It is one of the coolest awards. I've ever gotten antrophies has everybody's name. On the back of that there were a part of theTam that Youo it is. It is actually an back. Then that was better than the probolt like. If you made dollmanteam yeah, then actually then Youre you're thebest football player that year and that was better better than Oyou recognize aYeahturkyla on Thanksgiving. was that from a remember yeah. I think it was Iye Wa. WAS IT BCAUS I in Detroit, in ninety nine thin we play put remens at Game Mabe, Oh Yeh! We RSCAL AUHTHE S, have all those agowandJohnny Mordandgod he's a big defensive end, O thoer ORC. We all got one, Iforgetbut, it was great, I mean just you know, you're on the headset, a DMans asking your question: It's like that's what you grow up, watching it'skind of cool, a and even though you're playing the game o or so much of a partof a kid that comes out in you when you're in those situations, which is alot of tirs. No doubt you know his name's Forg, his name just caveme, buthe called my playoff game, agenst, the Denver Bro Coast. Oh my was hisfavorite line. I thought he had the greatest voice andhe'd the greatest way of calling the game. He was a playby play, Guy, Gaston,it and hes one of his. He was known by he. He wer like Oh, my I'm trying tothink of his name. It doesn't help us not even sparking it, but I'll. Think of it because n fact bill wash was the color guy, Ohyeah, during the game, and I'm trying to think of his name. Anand we'll comeback to it, but you know I think we there's a lot of you know I like ChrisCallins we're going Chris, I think, does a really good job and can tell-and he doesn't really good yeah bi Yo. No, so af, I play guys and you knowevhen romals good. I just it's like you know like it's. It's just a TV. I gletTing s breathe a little bit because you have visuals to help help peoplebecause he called a few. You Know Games early where they called the placebefore and there's a lot of phrase, and then it's almost like gead yeah, an andand even though he's young he'll learn. You know like sometimes so changes yeah.Now I get it so before we get into our no huddle section that we'll do here. You know I want to give a shout out tothe La Western botnavet hotel out in La and Tra Rios, for you know ourwonderful food or great drinks, Wonderful Placetown, here in Coge,Carson Street Youe, ready to have their third birthday Dave, can't wait we'recoming back just a few days. From now I know I got to come back and have somemore TACO, so I'm really excited I'm with you on that. Boyce Start Your Day,sunny side up at the Weston, Bonnaventur, hotel and swits, and enjoybreakfast for two on us, no matter how you plan to spend your trip to LosAngeles start every day with a hearty mail to kickstart your morning enjoybreakfast for two on us. For each day you stay for reservations, be sure thePromo Code, SFOR B appears in the promocode box when making your onlinereservations and Mariottcom Backah laxbw or call one eight hundred two twoeight ninety wo ninety and ask for promotional code SFOR B so Merrilbefore we get into the Nohatto and end the show. I want you to tell a a littlebit about everything that you're doing now and- and you know I know you'reinto so much- I mean I follow you on social media you're, an linked inyou're, doing so much you've written a book, an author you're talking about somany things, but tell us about your passions right now and where you'regoing in a few. Well, I will tell you this. This is my second book now, ifany of my high school or college professors teachers ever heard, I wroteto Bock thatisthere's you rsponse rightOalwaththe, like thires hope for t. In fact, this should give everybody hope.If I can do this, anybody can do it. That being said, this became my passionbecause we've heard the narrative, you know you know, kids are having you know. Ifyou get oo, cussion you're going to have some issue later in life. Some concussion, which is sciencefiction, does enxist well, first of all, fit were true. People need realize theleading cause of head trauma in the country is drinking. That's goon to coticto yeah. Actually,this, if you could put all sports together, you can ou put car accientstogether and you would never come up with this and h what caued? What's theleading Caseo hed trom in the country tripping and falling right so leadingand people go, you can't Iman...

...first of all, ind think who's alledgible eligible to trip and fall. There's a hundreds of millions ofpeople in this. Go that wor everybody. It's the leading cause AF head traumain this country. I wrote the book because when I started to read thescientific literature right and if people start trying to argue withanything that I'm about to say just show me Tho scientific literature and Igot to clarify what scientific literatures that is in journals likeJama their scientific papers, because I actually did this and somebody sent mea sports illustrated article. So they don't even know what a scientifyliterature is. I'm like rig. It is not sports illustrator. In fact, that's thelast place. I would look for the truth, but I really Wush wanted to know. TasNow played football for my concussion and improper care ended. My Career,I've been coaching, you football. For Twenty years, my son started playing aseven, I'm like in my got of things in my experience of things I just didn't make sense. So, but howdo you come back? A narrative you're her and if you don't understand it, soI don't understand it it's hard for me to come bat it. So I really went on asearch. I went across this country that took me to Canada. I met with everynerpithologist that would sit with me and discuss. Tell hm and all it askedhim is like listen to explain to me what ct really is what's causing it every one of them. The first one said Ito me the last one said it to me like merryll. CT is a tow pattern in anobservation state. I go, we have no idea what is causing it and we don'tknow if it's even got symptoms from it, and we have three hundred cases in themedical journal to this point. A hundred of them never played sports,never had a concussion and never had a hissory head trauma. So I'm like nowwait a minute. Why have we heard about that right right there? You can't pointtat sports and you specifially catpoint of football and I'm like well. How canthis Narrhib get to this point? The last lady I was talking to was LillyHazaradi who's, one of the great mines up in Canada. She goes, you know whatgo read: The Spe Spectrum of disease paper. It was a scientific research paper offered by Anne mckeyand she was quoted in the media as saying after doing that, literaturethat science paper that all football players had it she'd come up in. Heconclusion all players, an have our show really. She goes go read thatpapertng. So I read the pape. I know why she want me to read the paper inthe conclusion I'm parenfhrasing here, but this is basically what it says in the paper she author, she wrote. Youcannot use this research paper because it's such a garbage to give anybody anysense of degree of CT and professional athletes or military it's in the paper.Well, so exactly at of my rol, why would she say the opposite in the mediaand then why wouldn't e journalist hear? Who just had that quote? Why wouln't hego read the paper read the conclusion than come back to Ann go, and why wouldyou lie wha? Why would you deliberately abuse the hypocratic oat that yousigned to do no arm? Because you know many people read that you ow how manypeople think that that is something that is actually truthful right, that you know, honestly, Icouldn't sleep. I scecin sleep Er. We I just kept him eating at me and eavingat me, and then it came to this reallydecision of my life. I Know Boston University is corrupt.What theyhave done is criminally. If I do nothing about it, am I any betterthan they are right? I'm just like they are. I've just chose to ignore it andlet them afe start continue to this narrative and I couldn't Ismoll thepapers. I read more science research. I looked at the more doctors that hadexplaine it to me. I'm like this is a sham. These guys have deliberatelycreated a narrative to scare people, bully people and threaten people. Ifyou looked at an article, it just came out and then washing post an that wegoabout Dr Malla, who did they the concussion movie Ar Gami he switchscants, he squitts tissues. He created something from Mike Wester that MichWebser did not have my wipsure died a heart failure anyway. She never died inshow called brain sees the brain disease, it's not whete, it kills youright and that it doesn't cause you to make cmmit suicide like they lead youto believe it happens, and he actually wrote an article back about a twothousand and sixteen consensus that they made. He was going by thoseguidelines. This tells you just how completely corrupt they are in twothousand and sixteen Jos. so we understand what consensus is in science.We bring all this scientific literature on this towel pattern called Ct. Welook at all the science and we say: okay, there's enough scientificevidence here that it's a disease. We then also have staging its stage, onetwo three on four. Then we also do consensus on hethe symptoms from it. Ithas to happen in science, it's...

...mandatory in two thousand and sixteenthey did it and it got revoked. It got kicked out. There was no consensus,they didn't finish consensus so at this point in this state that has neverhappened, and so in Paris they're having this huge meeting with all ofthese scientists to deside on consens Wel. Who Do you think does not wantthis, this meaning to happen. Bosson University doesn't wantto happen andwhy don't they want it to happen? They've already made inte disease, theyalready talk about stag and they already talk about symptoms. It's neverbeen done. It's never been completed, so they've been running around creatingnarrative. They can't prove there's no paper scientific paper that has causeor Linciln none. There is no scientific research that has clearly decined its adisease. Here's the staging and here the symptoms, so just donst things right there. Ifyou do your own research and your Oll Work Right, you will find out. It isthe dead truth of it. So then you got to start. Ask Yourself: FHOM WAIT A MINUTE! Why would you do an? Whywould you do that? The millions of dollars that they get from the NIH withthe NA ndihis just accountable for this to because you're feeting you'reidualing, evil your fueling corruptness without holding them accountable? Andthen, if anybody stands up and says something to the contray, that's ascienist. You know yeah they get butcher, they get threatened and I knowthat has happened. I've seen it happen and I understand a little bit whilethey're scared. Okay, you can't ruin my netacal prayer. Okay, you can attack mefrom a scientist, but when I did this book Dotr Commings, I did get a threeboard: Certifie Foriendsic, professor out of Boston University, who had seenthe exact same things because he didn't want his son to play and we actuallymet enjoying forces on the book accidentally because he wasexperiencing the same things. Li E, I almost didn't let my son play untilHewas like wait a minute, I'm O. I got accens to all that paper, I'm going togo, read it and the more he read t was like, oh my gos. So this is not thetruth. So do you think that it basically comes down to these peopleare trying to finding a way to make also somerealy thi it millions ofdollars for creating a problem. Then git BA theget government funding formaking millions for creating a problem? No, you know what let me add this tobecause Soonas we start talking like this people. Oh you don't think headTromis, important, okayi, Tis, well, you're, not saying that I know Ocustions that had traumas aren't Orii. It is because that we take care of itand Tro tecall Ou, and what I was going to say to it is that, for me, the NFL's part is: is that thepressure on a player to get back on the field when you know that a head Tramais going to take some time. I've played with a lot of guys. We've had majormajor injuries and not like Frank Liecack, I'm triou, no Fran, osr Frankshad a lot of issues and o problems with that, and but it you just kept goingright. It's like your situation. If you take, if they would have taken the timeto, let you feel right, no, given ten a broken leg or anything else, they justcouldn't see it. So they throw you out ther faster. Then it happens againcleared over the Froyeah, so somethingye, something to clear thatout. You know frame Wi check, playd, roughly Wen Ros, his years, oh Gy. Hehe played somewhere around me a little bit like probably like nine two to twothouzandand, seven. So what you got to realize? Okay, Leve this perspective,this is kind of like the pilgrams. Let's say they came back and they did apodcast and all of them were ticked off because they didn't have planes, trainsand autombiles when they cad cross Parke. But you start lot, you let Betiit didn't exist, there's a reason we didn't have yeah sure I would have beeneasier. So you have to understand what information resources did we have atthe time no yeah and I play and resources something I'll give you makesure I don't. I leave this for him because there's so many great non basinon medicated treatments that can help people with that trauma and even anemotional and mental health issues that we need to start spread, spreading,hope and imficumation and education to empower and help people to open up andtalk about. So we can get them the health. But when you look at what weregoing, what was going on with players in one thousand nine hundred and ninetyfour? Yes, I take it. I Tal O co cusion on. I have a severe head drama on aMonday night gain in cans city. This is what severis here, here's the twogreatest signs of sevarity for head trauma: It's not really losingconsciousness. That looks bad, but it's not a real indicator. What's theindicator or your colgative recall and stability. So if you got a Guy, WHOsstill wobbling for a while, who I'm sitting there and then there's allkinds of different cognitive learning, there's retro grade and material grade,so what's Ur Retro Greg? What's your name Ihat, here's in Tofor hers inTeror; You've never been here. What's...

...the name of this restaurant right? Sowhat you was a dayh right, there's a whole host of things that you got to be. You got to be challenged on and makesure ou Wel your struggle with those things hours later. Okay, that'ssavarity's! PRETTY GOOD! That's that's severe! You know somebody who, who giveme loose consciousness like make ure e on okay, Mak, Sou Roton, when you lookeat his carat te recark and sharpers attack five minutes later, no stabilityissues y. They kept him out in Nexte Week just for for safety aspects of him,but you didn't aly have any symptoms, whereas I do it didn't loseconsciousness. I had all these issues and five days later, I get called bythe doctor and they clear me over the phone to go back and play. Did youthrow up no, never threw up ECA e, I know one frank had really bad. We wereflying home, he felt sleeping and he woke up right, Waiin for a Lon and hen,thi see that can be a sip ten, those those all symptoms that should havebeen. You know, as you be based on, if even the information tbact good, BCAUSEFM one housand, nine hundred and ninety four. What did they know at that pointeverthing about today? If you go see your doctor, just your regular doctorthat you see all t e time for your checkup. What's the one thing that hewill never ask you about you're right wel? If you now to to do nod on MB, youknow Ie's not going to ask you about that unless you're injured, allright orif you've had a previow ie Ian Yroup, just going UN healthy and you bet hadgreater checkups he's not Gointa, say: Let's Tak the look at you bring, I sewhat it's like when it's helpy, so we have something to compare to later.They do with every other issue. Another part of our mot, Nwnthis Tgat's, a goodpoint and somethin, and the only way I think you can do that truly. Is Youhave to do some type of a base line or cogative thing? So you can you at whereyou stand Youo, I feel see. I don't know if they have but it'll boil down the money. T rightyou got to get oburse for it. You got to find ways. Those doctors getremerged for a lot right and see. I don't know where their education is.From that perspective, how do I really do see? That's where you got to go toneural doctor, to really do that, which you actually bring up a reallyinteresting point that everybody slaysit you can go to a neural doctorand say: Listen! I'd like to look at my grain health. You know. Can youevaluate- because I actually thought about doing this with Micky Collins,when my career ended back one thousand nine hundred and ninety four here'swhat they did for me, even Joe Rowho's one of the greatestminds on this planning? This is the only tools they had back then they'relike he gave me two years becouse you got about eighteen month to two yourwindow to see if you can recover, based on what you have recovered in by eighteenmonths or not covered that's kind of what you're going to be stuck with yeah.Nowadays, my son, my just my son, just, went through this his freshman year andkeep mind he slipped in a shower. It wasn't even in a football game. It wasfour days before football games. Fo Play. Okay was not a football fill. Hethis lingers for a couple a year and a half he. Finally goes in, they give hima cognitive plan where they do cogative treatments. Every day I mean exercises if you will, and they do atraining program to to match up to it, yeah to help repair the area of the brainthat has been traumatized, which they can do that as to identify the AR inten days, I'm telling you guys he was. I like hadn't seen that clarity foralmost t e year since he had slipped in the showern hid. He said Yeah and itcleared him up. That's why you know- and it's rethink concussionscom it's agreat website for people to be informed in a Pasbu e rethink, Yon Customs atbrint thing, rethink, concussions and then for mental health and the magnetictreatment therapy. You have my my Transformationscom, my transiormation,which is another good one for people who have anxiety, depression, issuestnice, but there's treatment and help. That's not medicated get your offmedication right, yeah! So there's a lot of Griefi th Wat weas just maskever! That's just it! It's it right, they're, not really healing it they'remasking if any Otesratan medication is so minimal. This magnetic treatmenttheraby, is about seventy percent succeptrate first treatment. When youhave reoccurrence meating, you kind of go back into it. Their successratesecond go around is eighty. Seven percent medication goes down wilnot upthe second go round, so th, there's amazing things that are out there. Weneed to play having protocols and treating a headtrom is the mostimportant thing forhead trauma. If your son or daughter have a poncussion orhave an issue, it mean there is no Scientifi Eter, none that says ohthey're going to have cognitive or emotional behaviors later like. However,these are trauma things, your kids could experience it th that could haveissues later: Life, bullying, Bhat parenting, some type of tragicexperience in their life, a mental or physical, a use. All of those thingscan- and I have a scientific literature papers of that and evidence that backand coust issues later in life. That's a fat plaing contact sports, noTCIENTITIC literature that none that says if your kids play contact sports,especially in the vironment that exist today. He theyona have issues later inthe Nife, but I give you a whole stack...

...of literature from sugar consumptionobesity in in activity. How that not just is the case, the brand, the bodybut has made a major effect on our brainhelt. Oh no doubt I believe thisOl book really is just to kind of help. People understand the facts about thescience, all the things that are available and things that would empoweryou an no matter what sport you're looking at Don'fill your book,brainwash wher. Can People get it Youcan go to Marrill hygecom, that'sMerril, hoge, altogether, sus no D, only two, not too ell Merrill, hoecomor Youn Amazon. It takes your right to Amazon as well, but that website thatwebsite's good too, because we have other podcast and information ofscience papers for you to read, because I encourage Yeo. I want you to beskeptical, go ahead and dig you into it. Rigting IM sayin, but do youreachsearch and look at the SCIENTIFICL litersor? Don't read the local paper?Don't green sports illustrated that's garbage? They didn't gave the facts.They're not reading. Scientifici go read the literature for Yourself, makeMeou yourself and think then you'll know what's best for your family, exactTan, get it well our last segment. You know we do it really quick Dave. We gotsome guests that have given us some questions from aewerreading for Yes, yeah, so audience participation and we love that we dolove it but wow. Well, I'm sporting through those well you're NFL,Commissioner Hold Onn. Before we start, I got A. I got T intro the the segmenthere right, Ri fromn me e yeah he's a little rough allright. So Hey everyonewe're getting nto the KNO hotdawof Marril Hog Chere, and this segment isbrought to our friends from sports, Circus and MTV and hotel television.You know it's one of the places that our show will be aired on television,Outin, Las Vegas and California area. So thank you to Soll the bookie outthere in Vegas and putting us on MTV in the sport circuis. So in the huddle inthe no hoddle we're going down the field, our two minute rill day, fireaway, give meryls first question: o Man, time outs. I get NOS Kins, zebro yeah,two minutes droll. Okay, now this is from some guy named Gabe Frat. I'm notsure that it's, but anyway, who is your least favorite player toget hit, my well the guy. Who is just a freak uponfreaks. I mean the one the most challenging, but he brought the best at he was LawrenceTaylor. Lordce Taylor was he was. He was a he's se Freak Mong. So when youwere going into Gameplang that week- and they said okay, we're going to putyou fifty six Wat wit, your well first malers thought well that'd been thedumbest move, they ever dit because they did actually nobody. Nobodyactually was ever said you're just going to have fift SI. I take that back.Actually they did they dod h. They did ask me a couple of times to handlefifty six, but it would be a three step drop right, a balls goingn, but whulthey tell the quarterback, keep better get rid of it yeah, because we got nopromises EA and then what would they tell me right? Cut Lawrence, stableright. So I mean that was the only time everybody else. We had two guys on himmctimes and if nobody had work go look for him. So then we CUN put three tact.First Time I try to cut Laura staylor. He custs me out like a sauce, but hecalled him. He Calle me by my first Mame- and I was like I manhe knows whyI am yeah- am bad and te like my right guards like he wants to kill you. I Goiknow man IG. Now this Questionis from Tassi Ba.We thought about this before the show will ab ever play again in the NFL. Youknow I will never say no. This theres abeen many scenarios whereI'm like. I just don't see a team. The thing I think that matters, themost is: If you eventually assume forson responsibility and get help andclean some things up, if he does that, but he's runnin out time, because hewas not going upward rigt that that'sthat pengulum was swinging downthis way and it's going to keep swining like it's not going to start going backup. So it's going to have to be a uniquesituation, but that Wuld this one would be the one where I think, there's leastlikelihood of that especially doesn't make any change. He doesn't make anychange there's no way. If you make some changes, I think he might be able to mysodes reaching onto play. SCOVERS and Michael Dick for sor mentoor be thin.You know, Michael Bick, you know I've known Michael for a long time andgotten to know him and that Guy, I anybody wo's bad mistakes. One thing hehe owned up to is what he did wrong is tried to make it right to his takingaction to steps towards that and is a great story. So if he could learn fromMichael, I would be a real plus for him. So Dave our next question from one ofour great patrons here at the trace reos at what do we got? Okay, we have,let's see Somee Gong through some steeler Trivia- I'm not Gonno...

...get into that. But, okay, how aboutthis? One is Mihetim e' going to make the whole thing. Well, the sealers havethree consecutive cusjest make it to the Allfan. Well, L tell you this. When you look atyou know, you look a t, t hes overall numbers, you know, and what he's doneand you you compare him. I think he's going tohave Hallim call a fame numbers. Here's the problem that a lot of stether runinto just this. How voting is it doesn't? Isit doesn't mean it's right? They look like al. They already got to you knowthey got all these playts. What kind of held Donni Shell out, I'm Gona tell youthis. is they have so many stes like we can't put another one in didn this Tidi,for I yer right instead of saying: Hey, listen! Is He worth it? IS HE BOT? IsHe that I see a guy? The Kid deserves. Being Hall Fan Putti H M in right. Youknow, but you know a D. I know what they do like. Well, they we still havethis othe guy that the I'm sure that other guy you know has hall of famenumbers as well, so that would just always heard of thatill. Be The negative that'll be and he can't control that you know, but he has.If you compare hem he's got allo fame numbers right, even without anothersuperbowl Bild did with one yeah and he lost one, and that's the same as whatmice I an, I think his winny percentage, I think, he's coached tlitle longer ishigher than bills. I think I don't know that for family. No, you want, I think,Devis, I so thirteen years you know that would be a hard thing for a rioterto say why not e honest with you, but I think he clearly has all thecredibility to be in he holl of famer. So we got one quit another questionfrom audience member. But just let me prefaces by saying that youknow you lived in Idaho, away from childhood. Allway up throughCollege Ho get drafted by the stealers she've been here for a long time since,since one thousand nine hundred and ight seven seven right what from Annand our audience, which she's out there, what do you love most about Gitspert?Well, I wul honestly and I feel very fortuate this, and I say this isgenuinely. As I could said, I had never, you know felt more home or more loved.You know how appreciated, for whatever reason that is, I iam humble by that,and I have always felt like that in this city of I was considered this home people sell every. We got the best fans.Well, listen! There's a lot of me doing the business I've Ben Doing for twentyone years there, every player, that's outside of Pitsrurgh Goy, like reallyshee, as are the best fans I mean they are the best and what makes some greatfans in Mi from my perspective is that they are passionate. They are smart. They appreciate. If you gave everythingahead, they appreciate that they want to win.I mean shoot theyr used to Winnin. They won't want super bowls. Okay, butthere's something abound that w? U They appreciate if you gave everything youhad and they they make. You feel that they resonateswith me even to this day. You know I come with Omy Kid Bo, my son when hewas littler and we brought his friends here. They were take like they were inawe that you know how, when I come back home, how people are and then thit'snot I mean I can walk down the street and her we like R, hey. What's youdoing merryll, I don't know guy from Adam right, Gonon Leaf Mam. I'm like Ilike it that it's that comfortable, like right, Jus Sey, how you doing say,hi right, so they were. I just. I love the people there. Yeah fans aregreat and I love there's no greater entrance in all of this country to acity, then the fourfiv times coming through the Foa, nothing better n thatyeah so last question for me is you know the raiders are moving to Vegas this showis going to be out of in Vegason TV. You know, I think it was just such a stretch for dnfl thinkin Vegasas a NFL city, when I have a good friend who's off tat, courtanae GreayGoalsen from for the raiders, and he talked about it and just couldn't Imean they're sold out. People are Super Excited brandnew stadium. He said he,the facilities are incredible. What do you think about the raiders moving toVegas wow? Listen, I played the raiders when they were in La okay. They bouncedaround. I mean I've always felt like. Is there a better, better name thanOakland Raiders? You know like it, Wul be like okay, a let's say. Actually Idid this one time on radio when I REPLAC was Doa to Right, Oh yeah, so we were talking about what team frormoving around we're doing. A radio shot was doing radio show here in Pittstur,when I first retired Ay, we were talking about teams. MONECAUSE teamswere moving around, I wouls ist. Imagine the steelers moving think aboutthat persono. Could the steelers? Could you imagine the steelers been anywhereelse in this country, butt in Pittsburgh right unimaginable an noit's just like a d there's a little bit of that with Oakland at the TAC,because I think that was kind of when Okan was going back to La Right, but ifthere was actually a spot that fits them they just Bakeus it is, it is lostPegas. You know. That is not a hard swallow for me to see them in Beg. oyou see the cold sleeves and people move around. They lose so many fans. Idon't see that with the raiders like H, the fans don't really care where theygo. They and they're pretty excited...

...about going to Vegas. You know, I don'tforesee it being a home filed advantage. Okay, I could be wrong because when youlook at what they've done with hockey there, I mean that place is a zoo andit's only like when they're third year. But when you look at lit's teen, the steelers are Goin toit's kind of like Arizona right like it's December, I'm gonna go watch himplay and there's got a bunch of stuid fans. Ot Living Arazon, there's a bunchof steel fans that live in Vegas. I mean. I don't know that they're goingto have the true home, Fuieldinan Ju, like a belting pot. You know like it'skind of like Miami too Miami Nini Stup. I played there one year and it is toughthere's not when you're playing the Patriots, it's Patriots, fanily, rihejet its gets fan. They know and whan everyone's coming down. It's not anadvantage for. I I've always thought you warn f whether teams gotdisadvantees when it comes down to November December January, because wecan't wait to get down there right. That is nonnadvantage, for you isn'tbans Frus, not a good n heyv got anything else, yeah. What's your biggest pet peeves, all right biggest pet pik, since Idrove in today when you're on a Tu Lane highway theright lane. Is You driving lane the left lanes the passing link right? Okay?No! It's a passing lent. It's not a driving lane e and to people wa goingto Spea. Now I don't care. If you' go on the speed limit, it's a passing Lang.The law is you pass people and you get over. You don't sit and drive in it,regardless of you're going Tho speed limit you just get over. That is I'mlike Mik that'Syour, my number one gevery day, io twenty Eighti pass morepeople on the right side now than I do av ye its like. They go theredeliberally o hat, that's the worst 'Maa one! Last one last one give Ho Tay.You could be anyone else in the world for one day we would nat be for one day Sho. You know what I take tiger woods.Man is golf came yeat's, Ecite, hudred, that's how I take Tagerwood, hey everyone. We want to thank Merrillfor Joinid us in the huddle and and you know, and putting it ou on sportscircus. Thank you, sout, and you know thanks to trace Rios just amazing foodamazing place. We want everybody to come visit, they're just going to blow your socksup when you come eat here and have a good time. A Happy Birthday have Yo.They trace real, so merrill. Thank you, Nex Yogoshan, W COMEO and sharing yourstory an and I don't know how many people know about you and andcollecting gophers tails, but what they do top there now. So thanks everyoneantakes for join us in auto. We want to thank you for listening to huddle upwith gus a RADIOCOM original. You can find our show on radiocom the newRADIOCOM, APP or anywhere you listen to your favorite podcast. Please leave usa review or comment if you enjoyed the show, we are on facebook, twitter,instagram and Youtube at Hotdlo up with Gus. You can also visit us on ourwebsite. Hutdlo up with guscom.

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