Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

Episode · 9 months ago

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ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Welcome to Huddle Up with Gus with 15-year NFL quarterback Gus Frerotte! Today, we turn to one of the most inspiring individuals Gus has met as he hosts Marques Ogden to the huddle. Growing up in a single parent home with a father that inspired perseverance and fairness, Marques Ogden learned how to define his values and set goals. Ogden attended Howard University from 1998-2002 where he played Division I football. He then followed his dream and his brother Jonathan’s footsteps, eventually getting drafted into the NFL in 2003. Overall, he played for 5 years as an offensive lineman with the Titans, Bills, Ravens and Jaguars. Even during the off season, Ogden helped train football players in Europe, both physically and mentally. This is one huddle you’ll be glad you joined!! 

Hey everyone. Welcome to another episode of huddle up with Gus, I'm your host, former NFL quarterback Gus Frerotte and welcome to the new 16 31 digital new studio. You know, some people say no news is good news. Well I say to those people you've never read. 16 31 digital news dot com. Go to 16 31 digital news dot com to get your latest news, sports, music and entertainment and maybe even listen to your favorite podcast. Follow up with Gusts. Check it out today at www. 16 31 digital news dot com. Huddle up with Gusts is brought to you by Vegas sports advantage, clients of Vegas. Sports advantage are winning big in 2021 you can be a part of the winning two. As of june 1st $100. Bettors are up $3700 500 dollars. Bettors are up $18,500 and $1000. Bettors are up $37,000 and $5000. Bettors are up $185,000 become inclined today by clicking the link in the description below and use promo code, huddle up To take 25% off your package today. Thanks to our partnership. Welcome to what surely will be a doozy of a matchup brian here. Sports fans. Whether your game is on the gridiron at the diamond or on the links, we can only say welcome to this week's huddle up with gusts. 15 year NFL quarterback Gus parents passion for sports has taken him on the field and behind the bench is playing for seven NFL franchises with 114 TVs under his belt, Gust knows who the players are and how the games are one. Uh it's not every day you get to hang out with an NFL quarterback up. Okay, sports fans from the decked out and plush 16 31 digital studios, it's kick off time, so snap your chin straps on and get ready to huddle up with us two left, 15 year NFL quarterback and I want to welcome you to our second show on this new platform called Super. Uh it's a part of facebook, which I'm really excited about. This is powered by the NFL alumni. They're excited. I'm excited and it's just a way to take my podcast at the next level. As you can see, we have our guests live and I am really excited to get this platform rolling and to find out more about our guests and let our fans interact with us, which is really cool. Um but before that I want to thank some of our friends and sponsors. Obviously Super the NFL alumni thank them. Uh, Sounder FM, that's where we host our podcast, but you can listen to us wherever you listen to. Your favorite podcast. Next week, we're gonna start something really cool where our fans can come on and they can uh take part in. So Vegas sports advantage is gonna give you 500 bucks to anyone who wins that so they can go on and use my code huddle up and they can go on to Vegas sports...

...advantage and they're gonna win 500 bucks. So we're gonna start that next week. So I'm really excited for that. We're gonna do giveaways as we go on and we learn how to use this great platform. But joining me today, which I'm really excited about is another former alumni NFL player. Uh you know uh Marcus has done so much, he was born in D. C. Which was my first place of of I call myself a baby in the NFL back then and you know he went to ST albans high school, then he ended up at Howard University, which is awesome. Then he was drafted in the sixth round by Jacksonville jaguars and now I can't wait for you guys to hear his stories, the ups and downs and the transitions that we all go through. And Marcus has some of the most amazing stories that you want to hear, but he's a keynote speaker, he's an executive coach, a celebrity coach and he's also an author. So you talk about a guy that's done you know everything and we're gonna get to those stories today but joining me today is Marcus ogden Marcus, how you doing buddy? Well guess how are you sir? I am doing wonderful, I'm doing wonderful. I'm excited for this new platform. I know that you work with a lot of people uh in teaching them how to deal with different situations and and be better as a coach, as a speaker uh in marketing and all those things. So what advice can you give me right off the top here in dealing with a new platform. So first thing I'm gonna tell you is figure out what you do well on the platform. You have a lot of energy, you're very well spoken, charismatic, use those things that you have, I call that you need to assess your skill sets and your resources when you know what you do Well, gus you can take that and you can build for a better tomorrow. I always tell my people I work with, I want to know your story, I want to know three things that you do well, your biggest strength if you possess and then from there, what do you want to improve upon? We can figure out a strategy and a customized game plan, get you from where you are to where you want to be. So, anybody is starting anything, especially like you said, you're on a new platform. Gus got this whole thing, rolling what you do well, you focus on that executed at the highest precision level and then things you don't do well on the platform, delegate out so you're able to take the brand and take the platform and like you said earlier, Elliot your podcast to another level. Yeah, I hear you, you know, things that I don't do well is trying to run this whole thing. So I got my son's gunner and gave in the background trying to help me out. So uh so I have somebody actually to blame it all on if it doesn't go well right, that's what quarterbacks are good at. Anyway. Uh Hey, so you know you mentioned all these things about what you're good at. So tell me about growing up D. C. In D. C. And the first time that you fell in love with sports, what was that like for you? Because that's eventually what you became really good at. So I felt that with sports gus for the first time is probably about nine or 10 I saw my brother playing football in high school and I fell in love with it but at that age I was too big to play because they didn't have any of those like super heavyweight leagues and things like that. Pop Warner had weight limits. How big were you? Oh God. So when I was probably nine or 10 probably about 57 probably about a buck 80 bucks, 70. But they didn't have like the stripers like you can only play on the on the on the line in youth. No man, you know back then now they have it today but back then like it was all weight limit so if you were like a certain win, they didn't have a heavyweight football division like they do today. So I couldn't play football though man. And I played a couple games here there, you know it's kind of you know, scrimmages all that. But I couldn't play organized football gusts to my freshman year of high school because when I went to high school and so I went to ST john john with the ST offense johns we didn't have uh seventh grade football. Now they had basketball which I played but not football. So I started playing football my freshman year of high school and I really fell in love with the game because my junior year my brother got dressed to the Ravens. We all thought he was going to go to the Cardinals so we really don't know what Yeah, all that I thought was gonna go to Cardinals. So number one was Keyshawn johnson to the Jets. Number two was kevin Hart to the Jacksonville jaguars, third was the Cardinals. And they took simeon rice at three. They hit me. Yeah they took 17 and three. And then we were like man because everybody thought that Baltimore is gonna draft Lawrence phillips, They had Tony jones at left tackle, they had Orlando Brown at right tackle and we don't need to tackle when Baltimore took johnson at four. It was amazing for me because baltar was only an hour and a half away driving from D. C. So I...

...got to see a lot of time in that regard. The number five when cedric jones to the giants. So my brother really coming to Baltimore helped me to kind of get myself even more inspired to be better at football when I was playing at ST john's. Yeah, so then you were at ST john's, your brother was already in the NFL, correct, correct. And then what made you choose going to Howard? You know what does a lot of people knows about me? Well some dude I talked about a lot but something about pay attention I think in any college scholarship offers from anybody until the end. Like everybody thought I was a junior when I was a senior. My coach messed up my transcript as a result of that nobody offered me. The only offer I got was Howard university and they showed up because like two weeks before the signing day and they were like they sat down the living room table with my mother and father and he said Marcus we love your game, we love your education, we love your process, we want to offer you a full scholarship to come play for the bison because I couldn't afford $25,000 a year to go. Yeah there's no way none of us could back then. It's not it's not even a prayer. So were interesting enough though what happened is I remember steve Wilson was my co said to my parents Marcus can be an NFL lineman. I'm thinking of myself at the time I was only six ft throughout good. Almost 66 gusts before my first year. About uh it is it is gonna get bringing it up that you That's me in 1998 as an incoming freshman. However side my roommate who actually Alphonse and I played against each other in high school. So I went to ST john's he went to McNamara Bishop Mac, he was a W. C. A. C. Guy. So we played against each other in high school. He became teammates at Howard. But for me that I grew to almost six ft six and I got that offer. But I remember coach Wilson tell my parents Marcus can be an NFL line. I'm like what? Thinking to myself like NFL lineman I can't even get an offer to college. And that's why I'm thinking to myself that he often was like okay well listen I'm going to college because I thought for the longest time gus my my my football crew is gonna be over after high school. That's what I thought. But it didn't turn out to be that way. So in this picture, how tall are you in this picture? I'm almost 6665 basically. Almost 60. Alfonzo's pretty tall. Tall. Yeah he's a tall D. And he's like he's all right so if you to race who would win. Oh he has been waiting for, sure would speak. He's a he's a D. A. I hate how fast defensive ends are, but I was, but again, it's interesting like in that picture I'm probably about 3 25 ish. So and then it kind of went up a little bit, I went down a little bit and then I just kind of went up a little bit more. So it was it was definitely an up and down weight effect for being. I mean you get to college, you probably didn't like everyone else. You don't lift a lot in high school, right? Because you're doing so much, you probably went on to play basketball And then you get to college and you get into a lifting program and then your body changes. Right? I remember that happened to me, I went from £200 to £225 in in like a year and a half just because we were lifted every day. That's just kind of, it's a job. It's what you have to do in college. But that right, one thing I want to ask you is now you're at Howard, your brother is playing for the Ravens. Your parents had to be pretty happy that they didn't have to drive very far to go watch both of you. You got that right man. So my father who also was a Howard bison graduate, he ended up living about 10 or 15 minutes from Howard. So he could see me all of my games, all my homeless. He also went to almost all my way games too. But he was always there 15 minute drive. So for me going to Howard was an absolute just privilege because I carried on that bloodline with my dad being a bison and I was advice and then he can see me play all the time. So this is a picture of me, my grandson, my maternal grandfather is on the left with the Ravens one. We both have Ravens has on with the blue strap around his, That's your grandfather, that's my, that's my, that's my mother's father and then the other guy on the other side, that's my paternal grandfather, my dad's dad, all of them have on the Ravens hats and all that kind of stuff. And then that's my dad with his Baltimore Ravens hat on. Then that's Jonathan behind me. So that's, and uh, that's in 2000 and that's actually The game after my 19th birthday. I remember we played Morgan State that game, but that's at Howard back in, back in 2000. Yeah, I love like the picture though, your enthusiasm, your excitement, how happy you are to be with your family, you...

...know, and there's Jonathan saying like, oh man, I used to call this kid, whatever name and you know when he was growing up now look at him. So what, what nickname did Jonathan always call you. So Jonathan always called me like little emo because you know, he was always big jail. So he always come a little emo. My dad should call me scooter because that was his nickname for me. I don't know where it came from, but I was, I was his scooter and I'll tell you what man, it was really cool because having my brother be that close to me where I can, I can talk to about to go to practices. I can going on the field, I could watch him doing like one on one. You know him going against like Michael McCrary, uh, rob Burnett. Uh, you know all these other phenomenal players, it allowed me to learn the game at a higher level which helped me become a better football player at Howard, which of course led me to being and then like my coach, I guess predicted correctly an NFL office alignment. So were you at Howard four years? So I'm there five, so I went to college five years as well. So you've seen your brother get drafted, I'm sure that you guys were all together for that. Did you guys get together for the draft for your year as well? They, we did not, my brother was in Vegas having to do some things for work related but my father mother grandparents all came, we went, my brother's house in Baltimore watching the draft. Yeah, I know that that is awesome. So then you get drafted right now you're listening to all this just like me, I didn't get drafted to the seventh round, right? So you're there with your family and it's day one, it's over. Then you gotta go to day two and there you you and I we're listening to you tell the story about your brother. He went, he went forth instead of third. You know, for me it's like I always laugh because I was just excited and humbled just to be a part and be lucky enough to be drafted no matter where it was. Well that's how I was. You know, people thought, I think maybe as high as the third round because of, you know, I went to the hula bowl. I had a really great cooler bowl, which I enjoy a lot. I had a lot of experience in playing against guys in that game from my Miami texas rice. My head coach for that game was Mack Brown, who is now back in Chapel Hill and I played against the other coach. On the other side was Larry coker from Miami. So I'm playing against guys like my good friend Brett Romberg on the other team, uh Jordan Jordan, uh Jordan black tackle out of Notre Dame's on the other team. Uh you know had some really good competition man. And but I played with a guy, Alonzo Jackson who was a second round draft pick, that draft class to the Steelers out of florida state on my team and he had like five sacks in that game under the game game. And so I always get him all week. And I gave up no sacks on him all week. And I get, you know, I was this hard person to go against, you know, everybody want to go against me. And I'm like, man, this is awesome. I'm gotten here from Howard is showing everybody that no matter where you go to school, as long as you put the work in and Howard had great coaches like steve Wilson was an NFL player fred Dean who was one of the halls for the reds game, NFL Mac Austin play for the Jets. You know, we had, we had some great coaches that play in the national Football League. So the coaching was that we don't have the facilities that texas or florida they had at the time. But as long as you go and do the work, it doesn't matter. You know, bitch looks pretty or if it's in the dungeon, like it's a, it's a bitch that's all that matters. You know, for me going to that game and showing everybody that I could compete with the best of the best in college really helped elevate my status and the draft. And so when I fell to the top to the fifth and I got a call from Dallas and they say, hey Marcus, it's drafting you. I'm like, this is awesome. Like I mean from Washington, I'll go to Dallas shore, no problem. And I said, you guys gonna pick this around and said no, my thinking myself and why are you calling me? I mean, But then I ended up getting drafted by Jack and the jaguars. And then Dallas took torn tucker after I was gone from old miss. Yeah. And you didn't, you didn't really want to go to Dallas. I mean you're from Washington. You know, I mean, that's just one of the biggest rivalries in football today. Yeah. And so for me, you know, it was to be a jaguar and to be part of Jack's first draft class was huge. Was was Brunelle your quarterback. Yeah, I had, yeah, but Barbara was our first round draft choice. Yeah. We had rasheen Mathis was drafted in the second round. We had third round was um, we didn't...

...have a third round pick that. Yeah, we did. We had this man, a wife from Hawaii was my good friend of guard out of Hawaii and we had the Brandon toe field running back from L. S. U. We had a man, you remember everybody got a great great loris rice stir out of Oregon. Remember dr Brandon gray out of rice? There was a man seven of us. So remember when you remember Back to 94 when I was drafted a long time ago, a couple years after you man, you were more than a couple here. More than a couple your way after me. I'm old. All right. Hey, we got a question here and I know I screwed her name up last week and I, I apologize and I can't remember. But uh, this canoe if you want to get on and you can turn your camera on, you can come on and you can ask Marcus the question yourself. So if you want to do that, go ahead and do that, we'd love to have you on. But you know, she wanted to know what you're, you can see this question. What was your favorite memory of Howard University? My favorite memory of Howard University? You know, I would say that my first homecoming game as a starter was absolutely phenomenal. Howard was known for its homecoming. Like here's the thing and I think her name is pronounced pacaya and Zakia will remember this if she's around my age or a little bit younger or older Back in the late 90s, early 2000's Gus it was tv, it wasn't like cable, stuff like that, but everybody, everybody was talking about Howard. So like Cosby show would have Howard sweatshirts on different world martin, living Single. Like all these phenomenal shows would have, yeah, it's you, you know, you know how I love it. So again, that like that, you know, it was like, you know, and so I went to school with like some phenomenal people including Chadwick Boseman Chadwick was in my class at Howard, I remember, I worked in the theater as a helper doing like things behind the scenes, pulling the curtains all that, and I remember Chatwood was working there and I could tell he was talented, I don't know, I was gonna be that talented, but you saw greatness like that, I was around that all the time at Howard. So first homecoming was just so surreal because all the people that you've seen, like, you know, jay, Z and DMX and cash money and you know, you got people like, you know, Felisha was shot, we're coming on campus and you know, all these people that you know of and see on either music or tv or fame and all that will be walking around Howard's campus all talking about the game and you can see the game and I'm like, hold on, I'm in this game and I'm the starting right tackle for Howard at 18 years old when I'm like, man, I was like, if I got a year or two of starting and Howard max is gonna be awesome, but I got to be a four year starter. So as an 18 year old having that privilege of being a starting right tackle for Howard, when gus our entire o line, we're all seniors. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Hey, heading up with Dust listeners, Manscaped. Well, they sent me uh they hooked me up with a bunch of tools and formulations for their package three point oh Kit uh so you know, I want to show you guys what's in the perfect package, right? We all think we got a perfect package. But they sent me the perfect package, three point oh kid, I want to show you what they sent me. So, it was crazy. It came in this great box. Uh, you know it and you can see what it says. They will thank you because they sent us this awesome trimmer. They sent us uh, you know, stuff that makes you smell better. And then, uh, you know, they sent me this great, uh, some boxers, you what you get, right, protect them. And then, uh, you know, they sent me this, cool it, uh, sack, I guess you want to call it to store all your stuff in. So, uh, it's been great. Manscaped, sent me a bunch of product. Um, you know, and you know, you can see it all on here. Uh, you know, if you can go to manscaped dot com and put in the code, uh, Gus Frerotte, that's G U S F R E R O T T E get 20% off and free shipping when you use that code. But you can get a kit,...

...you can get individual items like uh, this way cool rumor that has a little led light, um, ceramic. These things come apart. They're waterproof. You can do a lot with them. So, you know, man scape is great. You know, it's funny though. Um, I remember when I was playing with the Denver broncos and I'm not going to mention any names, but there was a gentleman who was playing on our team. And uh, you know, if you ever hears the story, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. But he brought his own clippers in one time and he used to trim his beard up his goatee and everything and he had him there for about two or three weeks and he goes in around the corner, he walks in and there's a person, another player that is actually manscaping with his beard trimmer. So, you know, one of the things is, you don't want to use the same trimmer down there that you use up here. So, uh, he kind of freaked out a little bit and he said, hey, how long have you been using that tool there? And he said, well, showed up here about three weeks ago and I've been using it ever since. So you know, there is a lesson learned that, you know, don't leave things out and probably if it would have just said manscaped on it, but we wouldn't have had that issue, but it's probably one of the funniest, uh, taking care of your ball stories I've ever heard or been around in the locker room in the NFL, so, uh, it's a great story. Um, but you know, I always said, there was no way to know, there's no name on it and the guy was just using it and another guy was using, it was not good, but it's a heck of a funny story. So one of the best I've ever heard my 15 years playing in the league. Um, but you know, there's so many great things about Manscaped and what they're doing, uh, because guys, you got to take care of yourself even though I got great hair, um, and getting older, but you still have to maintain some sort of grooming, right? And so, you know, we all work out for me. I like working in my yard doing those things now that I'm retired, get a little sweat on and everything you want to smell good. You know, you got to take care of yourself, They've got some great products, uh, you know, this one, a little, uh, you all deodorant, we'll need that here and there. Um, after, you know, working the yard, taking a hike, doing a walk, whatever you do. Um, it's a great thing, but there's so many great products. Um, I want to thank Manscaped for sending them to me. Um, uh, the lawnmower 3.0 obviously you can use it anywhere in your body, but I'm sure you guys have all seen the commercials, but this was one just letting you know that the lawnmower three point comes with the perfect kit. You can buy the lawnmower by itself by all these products individually. They even sent me this wonderful shirt. You can see the back of your balls will thank you and then here's the front. So it's an awesome shirt to have a great gear and you know what? Sometimes you can just sit back, take care of your balls a little bit and and and read the paper. So Manscaped even has their own daily news, so which is great. So don't forget that you can go to the Code Gus Frerotte and that's G. U. S. F. R. E. R. O. T. T. E. Uh And you can save 20% on any products, the complete the perfect uh package gift set and uh you know, you can save 20% and get free shipping. So use the code just for a G. U. S. F. R. E. R. O. T. T. E. Hey everybody spells my name wrong, they even spelled wrong back my Pro bowl jersey. So you know, I gotta I gotta help you guys out. So don't forget how important it is that you use these products, take care of yourself down below and have some fun, right, there's nothing closer to you than your little buddies. So use the lawnmower uh Use the code Gus Frerotte, save 20% and get free shipping and uh order some great Manscaped products. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Right guard, center, left guard, left tackle, we're all seniors and I'm the only one not sitting on top of a freshman. So you're a freshman and you know, for me having that game and having that experience. it's like somebody never forget for the rest of my life. Yeah, that, that is awesome because there's certain experiences you have in college that like for me going...

...to Tulsa that you want to forget and other ones that you kind of remember forever, you know, like we beat texas A and M and I wasn't even playing quarterback, I was the punter that game and, and it's still talked about as one of the greatest wins ever in Tulsa history, you know, and, and just because we were a small school and we beat this huge school from texas, so there's so many great memories of college and I think we all have them. I think Franciscans wants to know what was the wall all about. So the wall was where we had it on the yard Francisca, so like Howard's really known for the yard, right? So like all of the different fraternities and you know, uh, would do like different types of dances and so like all their steps and then what happened is, is that when a new class of, of people that were in the fraternity had kind of gone from pledging to crossing, they would go out to the yard to the wall and they would do all of the steps and all of the different festivities out in the yard, in front of the wall. So that's why you see the queues doing it, the sigma's the kappas, like that was their place when when guys would pledge and they would cross the pledge, they would perform for all the students and anybody else. You know any faculty and any other, you know fraternity past our past or current members and that's where it ended up in the yard in front of the wall. So did you, did you join a fraternity? No, I have football between football business interning and tell the truth man. I think pledging works for a lot of people but for me I just wasn't in that process. I just wasn't the guy to go and pledge and it was a lot to go through. I mean it was just a lot of sex vice between football school fledging, all that type of stuff. I just didn't have the type of time because I was willing focusing on because again I said I was like I wasn't expecting to be this NFL player. I was like I'm going to go to college, I'm going to get education. I want to be an investment banker and work on Wall street. Like my dad who worked in new york and then worked in D. C. And was a stocks and bonds trader. That was what I wanted to do. No that's awesome. We all kind of want to do things are, you know just because I don't know about you but like my dad is somebody I always looked up to. You know my dad worked in the mill and you know, his thing was I don't want you to do what I didn't want you to be better than me, right? And and that's kind of how it was and and going to college and and doing all those things and and that, that is always amazing to me hear those stories about how your parents influenced you, because I'm, one question I always ask is when you were on the field and something bad happened to you, whether you got knocked on your can or you jumped offsides or something happened to you, I always ask people like who was that person in your head saying, get it right, right? Usually it's not the coach, like for me when I was get smacked and I'd be laying on the ground, it was always my dad and my head thing, get your butt up and get back in there, yep, that was my, get your butt up. My dad was definitely that for me again, having him come to all my games in high school, having him come to all my games at home and most of my away games in college and having him be, because my dad played the line at Howard, you know, he was a d tackle knows card and you know, he had a different mentality and I did, but having him to give me that guidance about how to continue to move forward was really important for me. Yeah, so I think that that we always derive information inspiration from our parents and people that were close to us. So now I'm thinking about you when you're in Jacksonville, right? And you're you're starting, your brother's already played for several years now. So if you ever played against somebody that was the same, that your brother played against what you guys talk about it, and would you confer, because I think that would have been great. I wish I would have had that, you know, playing quarterback all of a sudden I'm gonna go play the Giants and I wish I would have had somebody to talk to who played them before or that coordinator. Oh yeah, absolutely. And having somebody like my brother to be able to help me and be there for me in that regard was absolutely vital because it helped me to put myself in the position of getting things done and accomplished and that's what I was wanting to do and that's why I needed to be. And having him as that sounding board made it really great for me. Yeah, that'd be awesome. So I want to remind all of our guests that if you want to come on and be live with us, you can actually take a picture with us. You can ask a direct question, just make sure you turn your camera and your microphone on and we can do that. So Zika has another question for you while we're on the NFL...

...if you want to know what team gave you the best experience to develop as a player, which is a great question because you played for several teams and you know we all have good coaches and bad coaches and sometimes you get that line coach that gives you the best, you know, you just hit it off with those people. So who helped me develop best as a player from a position coach standpoint without a doubt was Buffalo under Jim McNally Hall of Fame coach. He coached Anthony moon knows some phenomenal players and what we called him was Mouse was his nickname. Mouse brought to the game, a willy different perspective of how to play the game at a super high level with a technical aspect for that position. Then when it came to a head coach as the best developer as a head coach without a doubt was Jacksonville under Jack del Rio. Jack was a phenomenal player in the NFL. Jack was a phenomenal coach in the NFL. He still is a phenomenal coach today, the NFL for the Washington football team. But Jack, because of his ability to be a coach who played the game at the same time, it made it a huge benefit for me to carry on how to be the best of the best when it came to playing the game and having a guy that was a coach. Now he was a rookie head coach but still he had been coaching, you know, with the Ravens, with the panthers and he brought a huge, he bought a huge attitude as a player as a coach and also played the game that made it that much better. So I always found it interesting between somebody who played the game and who didn't uh I mean I played for 17, 15 years. um and I had a lot of coaches and I always found it interesting when I had a coach who played before that understood stood little different nuances. I'm not saying they were better or worse, but I'm saying they understood things differently than then a coach who didn't play, if you know what I mean? And I think that's what you're talking about with Jack of course, and that's what I'm talking about, you know, with Mouse, you know, Mouse was the office of linemen back in the day, but he played the game and he knew the game and because of that and also I'll be honest with you because Mouse also learned so much from Anthony munoz. I think that was the kind of relationship that they had where Mouse could teach him, but he can also teach Mouse. Yeah, I love the nickname Mouse. How do you get Mouse? So I saw Francis Francisco Francisco's question, so to be honest with you guys, he looks like a mouse and a tiny like them out. I mean that's what it was like half the size of all the linemen, you're super tiny compared to us, probably like five ft seven, maybe five ft eight, you know, just, you know, hunched over head like the glasses on top of his head pulled down up down. And but I tell you what man mouse when he talked players listen, because just like I tell people when I talk about my business, a speaker as a coach, you know, people are going to hire you or work with you or respect you off your accomplishments. What you want to do is a goal, goals are important, but no one's going to hire you or pay you money out of their pocket off of your goals, they're going to hire you and or pay you off your accomplishments and mouse was the best of the best at his coaching uh, in the NFL as a lineman as o line coach and because of that, that's why I had so much respect for him and I still talk to mouse to this day through facebook and you know, he was doing some consulting for the Cincinnati Bangles for a while, helping them with a breakdown, pass rush Phil and things like that. It's great to know he's still attached to the game because a lot of knowledge to get back to the game, right. One thing I want to know and I want our audience to know is how much a room full of offensive lineman can eat because I've been around you guys and I've tried to keep up once or twice. And because linemen are always who I hung out with and like I went with Matt Burke one time we went to um not chipotle, what's the other burrito place? You know what? Yes and bert gets three burritos. I'm like, you're gonna eat all those. He goes, yeah, I gotta keep weight on. So it's like amazing how much offensive lineman can put down like breakfast, lunch, dinner and then before the game they're all sick and nervous. Well, I mean like you said, man, and like matt said, you got to keep weight on and you've got to keep the weight on as a result of that. It's like you have to put yourself in a position to be able to maintain to do your job. So to that degree is 100% right. You know, I played with Kevin...

Malloy who was not the biggest guy in the world and Kevin was a phenomenal Hall of Fame football player, but Kevin struggled to keep his weight and he had to eat a lot. You know, remember when I was playing for Tennessee, I had some issues with my dad passed away and came back to the game and I had some injuries, things like that and I had trouble keeping weight on. I have to eat a lot a lot a lot. So yeah man, I mean, I remember those days quite well. Yeah, that that's tough. So Terry wants to know, is there any rivalry between you and your brother? Uh Terry? We already talked a little bit about how much help he gave, you know, when you guys would talk about other teams and everything. But did you guys have any little rivalry? Like hey, I didn't give up any sacks this week or I kick this defensive guys. But you know, yeah, you all, you would always chat about, gosh, you played against and then you know, who did what? And we really did a great job talking about, you know, the different teams and experiences and things like that. But the robbery wasn't really that crazy because we were both O lineman. I remember as a was my rookie year with the jaguars were playing the Ravens at Baltimore and one of the D lineman paul Spicer who was talking a lot, yeah. Talking a lot of jump that's going to run his mouth and he told me during and said we're going through one of Mark's gonna put your brother on his ass today. I said paul, look, you know if you want to do that, let's go for it because you know my brother. But I'm trying to win a football game, Baltimore crushed just but I remember this one play it was a draw play spicer has kept yapping off. I said dude, what are you doing? Like the suspect? It's not you don't have any pressures now. I'm just gonna keep you from getting his head and then on a draw play, my brother took like a little drop set and then he got Interpol and he took him about almost 15 to 20 yards and he dumped on his head and put them down and then paul got up and was like, man, you hold me, hold me, nobody's gonna call holding on you when you're down the field 15, 20 yards and you're on your back. And every time I look at that, look at that what he was doing, his hands were inside his chest the whole time. Nobody, we're gonna call that again. Like it reminds me of all the craziness that happens in the NFL with the trash talking and all that kind of stuff. Did people come up to feel and be like, yeah, I should have listened to you sure did. And I said, man, look, you know what it's like, you know, you're going, it's a guy that is 693 75. You know, he has super long arms, great leverage, he knows the game, he knows angles, body position. Why are you trying to get that done? Yeah. You know that, that, that I mean there's certain guys that can talk trash, like Warren Sapp was always good at talking a lot of trash, but you know, uh I never really noticed it right because I had to focus on so much other stuff during the game. Uh, that I didn't really talk trash back and forth to people because you're getting ahead of the play, the next play, even when you're laying on the ground and people on top of you, the coaches like all right, get up, we gotta go, here's what we're gonna run and you don't have time for that. But as a lineman, you're in those trenches and Gabe wants to know what the Lyman talked. The best trash jeez talk, the best trash. You know, I would have to say, I never played against him, but I did have guys that did play against him will be john Randall, john Randall is stay talking trash. He stayed trying to get underneath your skin. He stayed just yapping and yapping and yapping. Now john Reynolds easy, one of the best defensive tackle to play the game. But john also knew at certain times not to stop talking to stop talking trash. So like for example, he played against Larry Allen and so he knew go against Larry Allen trash talking is probably not gonna be the best idea, best move. You know, it's one. So, and, but there's other players, he knew that he would like their skin. He could really work the angles and because of that he said, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and talk trash. And so, and to me man, he says everybody's got that ability to do it. But john Brown in my opinion for what I've heard from people that played against him was one of the best trash talks that were doing the NFL, Oh yeah, he definitely was, I agree with you and he's one of the greatest guys ever. Now, you know what I mean? When I see my golf tournaments are different functions, uh, he's just just one of the happiest guys and that, that you're ever gonna see and he's always wearing his purple, so it's always wearing his purple, you know, so now you made all these transitions, I know you even play for, was it um, some other teams like different organizations and then you came back to the NFL, what was that like for you? It was great man. I mean for me, I just wanted to really be around, you know, different perspectives and you know, it was good for me to see different organizations, how things ran other leagues outside the NFL that came back to the NFL...

...finish up at my career Tennessee. And you know, for me it was playing against the best of the best. And I see Francisco, this question about defined best to me, Francisca best means that you can do your job at a high level all the time as a high performer and that everybody in your way or anybody you play against, you compete against will say the same exact thing. Right? Nobody's ever gonna question that Jonathan was one of the best of the best Not gonna question, Anthony was one of the best of the best you're not gonna question was Larry allen, you're not gonna question was tree ate me. You're not gonna question, you know, any of these guys that are considered the best of the best Junior say out, you know, you're not gonna do that. And so what the best, the best to me Francis, this means that other people that you play against are going to say that you are the best of the best. Again, two of the best of the best Jonathan ogden Jr sale, Nobody will ever say those two aren't the best of the best. Well yeah, you know, and you're right, that that's how it always goes. These, these guys that get into the Hall of Fame that you see that are just incredible people. Uh my son Gabe got to work at the Hall of Fame and see all these guys and hear their stories and what do you think makes them the best of the best. It's the mindset. Like the mindset, you have to persevere, adapt, pivot through anything because just like in life in the NFL you're gonna win some battles, you're gonna lose some battles, you're gonna, you're gonna win games, you're gonna lose games, you're gonna kick that guy's ass in front of you and give up no sacks one day, you might give up two sacks the next week. Like, you know when Taylor Loon got deeper, five sacks. Well I think I think she would have got 556 forward on taylor loon. I think that made him realize that man, look, I got to do better. You know, I gotta have the right mindset, I've gotta come back, I've got to fix this. And what I feel makes money the best of the best for what I call the elite is the mindset to get out of a negative situation, a negative thought process quickly and rebound and go into the next phase from there. Yeah, I mean that's important, right? Because that works the same in business and you went through a program after you retired but a little later because when you first retired from the NFL, uh I think you started another company and you had some ups and downs with that company. So tell us a little bit about that and how you really learned from that experience. But how the NFL got you through, you know, in all the years of football and competing got you through that hard Time. So when I retired from the game and the 0708 season I ended up getting addicted to alcohol narcotic painkillers. You know, nightlife gambling for about six months because I had no plan, I had no strategy and where I was going with myself in my life and I'll never forget that when I finally put the bottle down and the painkillers down. I started this construction company, k premiere enterprises and by the third year we became the largest african american owned subcontracting company in the city of Baltimore in the state of Maryland for two years. Unfortunately as the company grew so that my ego, my bravado, I thought I knew it all. I thought I could do everything. As a result of that, I end up putting myself in a really bad position where I became an ego meaning at boss, not a good sound leader. And when I ended up having my best people start to leave the organization because I was not allowing inclusion, I was now allowing people to share their thoughts without fear of being judged. People left and that in conjunction with a job where I spent about close to $3 million in 90 days for a developer in a general contractor. And when that change order got denied us Filing a Chapter seven Complete bankruptcy. In 2013 I lost my home, lost both my cars 800 credit score down to zero. I was a multi millionaire in April 2012 I had $400 to my name in April 2013 and I ended up working for Merrill lynch for a short time. I got fired from that job after two months went to a construction company the next day was fired from that job five days later and the only time I could get Gus was a custodian, making $8.25 an hour on the graveyard shift, I never forget this Gus, I end up having my rock bottom moment of clarity where somebody's trash and rotten meat and nasty banana peel and horrible patreon garbage covered my...

...body, my skin and my clothes. And that was my wake up call Gus to say if I don't get out of this in my mind set if I don't make a change in how I think and stop playing victim oh and stop playing poor Marcus pour me. Got an idea if I don't get out of this mindset today, I'll be here for the rest of my life and living what I call Gus at the time, Al Bundy syndrome. How great was back in the day playing football, score four touchdowns in one game in high school, nobody cares, no one cares. So I really focus my energy on getting things done in that regard. So once it's over it's over, it's done. Yeah. Unless you, unless you are one of those guys that go into the Hall of Fame when it's over, it's over. And so when you tell me about like you have this ego as a boss, you know that is to me is like, OK, what does that mean? Like were you just not listening to people? Uh yelling to people? I have an acronym for ego, gus exaggerated glorified opinions. So I always exaggerate how good I was as a construction company owner because in reality like no, my job glorified, I always chased glory, fame, notoriety, money, what I call external motivating factors that mean absolutely nothing and then always have to have the last word, so that's the opinion. So, but then after I lost everything Gus and I was that custodian, I woke up and I had that moment I came home, I wrote down my three biggest strength and I said I'm a good storyteller, good communicator. I want to help people. That's when I said I would become a keynote speaker, took me 2.5 years, got to get my first paid speaking job. The NFL taught me about fortitude, mental conditioning mindset approach where I didn't give up, a lot of people would have given up first paid job in april 2016 for miller, my college in Wilmington north Carolina, small college off the Washington coast and I got that job and then I started to learn the business. Got coach, got brought up in Today Gus, I've worked for 27 fortune to come into the speaker. I've done, I've written two bestselling books. I have, I'm a consultant, I'm a coach, I have my own podcast. Uh I'm just always the person that's trying to help others with their life. And because of that mindset of the NFL taught me and now I have no ego ego is the biggest killer. Silent killer that is. Yeah, brand because once your ego gets in the way, if you can't remove it, it will eventually remove you. Yeah. And everybody uh for right now you can see you can go to uh gonna put up Marcus website, you can go to his website, check out everything that he does and uh you know, I mean I've been on it, it's so much information because you are doing so much is incredible. But one of the things I wanted to ask you, so you're going through this time where you talk about your ego and your losing a business and you have a brother who has been successful. What was that relationship like for you? Did you lean on him at all or did he did you know that you couldn't and you had to do those things yourself because you know that's what he was gonna tell you anyway. Well it wasn't job this problem, he's going to do with it. So if I go to Jonathan to borrow money to get bailed out situation, gus what do I learn? Right, okay. zero. So I literally had to start from the bottom of the bottom 2013 september I'm work as a custodian. We've got a little bit of money because we got approved by the gene upshaw trust fund through the Player Care Foundation paid a few months of our bills to help us get some things going, but they never put any money in my pocket. They didn't see him under his 10 grand, here's why now they just paid the bills. So I have had to work us as again, Merrill lynch two months fired construction company the next day fire five days later coaching kids football to keep money coming in. Great season starts. I start getting less and less clients. Okay, go get a job as a custodian. 8 25 an hour, 10 p.m. To five a.m. Developing money and working there. And then I had that moment of clarity that rock bottom spoiled milk moment and I still after that was working as a custodian for another six months, didn't quit that job until March 2014 when I started doing football training and start running camps. I was a birthday clown at birthday parties. I did it all. Oh man,...

...you've done it all and great. There's a great link to a video that you sent me today that shows you talking to kids about you know, life and how to be better and all that. So gunner, can you put that up as well? That link, it's a great video on Youtube and I love it. But you know, Marcus people think of NFL players as once you're in the NFL, they think you're just everybody's a multimillionaire and everybody has got it made and you know, we're not like that, we're just normal people. Yeah, we've been lucky. But when you're our age at a young age and you get some money, you're still, you're not mature, Right? Like my wife and I, we've been together for a long time, but we got money when we were 24, 25, 26 and we had no idea what to do with it. Now. Our kids probably would have liked us to be a little smarter about it so they could have a little more. But um, you know, that's just how it goes and, and uh, I think that what you've done and what you're telling people is no matter what you've been through, you can make it on the other end, Man, Gus, and I love gunners comment through that. That's awesome. Old uh, you know, on the real side, man life is a journey And you know, it's kind of like I read this book by a friend of mine called Always Four by a guy named uh is Bill Would Itch. And he talks about how when, when back in the days when the Greeks would go attack different provinces, they would take their boats, go and drive to the other enemies. You know, provinces, their boats, their, you know, their shorelines, get out of their boats and they would burn their boats, they burn the boats because by burning the boats, you can't retreat, go back to your area, you're either going to win or you're gonna, you're gonna die battle trying. That was back then and that was the way the times were. But there's a lesson in that, in that they were programmed not to give up. Yeah, A lot of times back in the back in the day, people were programmed not to give up. Now. They may not be as smart as we are today or definitely sophisticated, but there's a lot to be said and never giving up again. I saw a great quote thing on social media by one of my friends by babe Ruth. It's hard to be a person never gives up. So for me guys, yeah, I had some Sleepless Nights. That's my first book is called Sleepless Nights. I've had the ups and downs. I've had the, how am I going to pay my bills? I've had the uh, the repo man could be coming for this car that we had, that's a piece of crap that we bought, you know, for eight grand and pay like 40% interest because our credit was shot. But I never gave up and you know, in our podcast that we have things that we do. I'm all about. Just never giving up. Because if you have the mindset where you're not going to give up or get beaten by somebody, then that's what I call the winner's mentality the winning mindset. So who is your partner in the podcast? His name is Leverett Ball. And we met because I was doing, I was on his podcast and I lost the podcast just in 2017 which failed miserably after a few weeks I said, this is not gonna work. I'm done through the talent. So I was on his show, did his show and it was good, it was fun. And so he hit me up like two weeks later, Hey man, we should do a show today. I'm like, no, I'm good. Let's do a show together. No, I'm good. Let's do a show together. No, I'm good. Let's do a show together. What do you want to talk about? What kind of content? What are you thinking about? So we came up with a plan and we said, and then we'll try for a month. We'll shoot for a month. Put out five episodes, people think put out five episodes of people were listening to it. They were loving it. They're like, this is awesome because then we started going forward and some more. So now four months after being on all podcast platforms, we're in the top 2% globally. Most down. Listen to podcasts. We've had a phenomenal guests on from dr jen Welter to tom Ryan, who's the head wrestling coach at the Ohio State. We're gonna be interviewing Tyson Beckford, the supermodel here a couple of weeks. And my point is is that the podcast is another example, Gus when I threw the towel and because I just didn't, I didn't have the resources, I didn't, it came back around, but this time I started to help people when I started the first time because I'm odds person. I was trying to promote our brand and make money Added zero for 0 on both. Second time around. I did the right way with the right intentions, the non external motivating factors. That's when life got better. That's when things start to work out and here we are today. Well and also to when you start a podcast, like when I start a podcast, you don't have any clue what's going on. You think that it's going to be easy. There's so many things that go into it. Like even for your instance,...

...your website, your website is great. I really like how it is, but it's like okay if I'm gonna do this all myself, it's gonna take me a lot of time and I am old and I don't know how to do all this technology stuff. I literally almost erased my whole website one time because I hit the wrong button, right? But I think what you're doing is wonderful. Your story is incredible And the people that you're helping by being an executive coach, a keynote speaker, I've watched so many of your key notes on your website. I love how you put them up there so we can all check them out. But one thing I want to say is when you see this, what's it make you think of? It makes me think of a time in my life where I beat the odds, you know, being drafted to the National Football League, you have a better chance of being struck by lightning right then to make it, you had a 15 year career. I have almost a six year career to have a career long, like 1.21 point three years in the NFL is also beating the odds. So to see that jersey, which is actually right beside me in my office, we just close to our new home on monday and it reminds me of in my life, I've always been the person to beat the odds. You know, Marcus, you know, you're never gonna be the NFL athlete. Just going, cows have fun, Okay, it sounds great. I'm drafted to the national football and I'm the only office of Lyman Gus to this day that's been drafted from Howard University, the National Football League, the only one. That's it. And I've lost my construction company after that, never gonna work, build a massive $50 million dollar business, lost it all on my own nutrition and my own stupidity speaking, I was coaching football to the youth private sessions, I was coaching at Campbell University under mike mentor as we get close to wrapping this up. I want to say this to people man when I was working at Campbell as an office of his analysts, they offered me a job the next year. I did that first one for free For $40,000 to work for them be the 11 months out of the year. But I knew if I took that Gus I wasn't going to pursue my speaking. So I made a hard decision. I told my wife I don't want to do this, I'm gonna just continue to do what I'm doing, training pins and football, making less money trying to work towards a better tomorrow. And I ended up, you know, eventually getting high for my first page speaking job about a year later I ended up being Ramat today. But if I took that Campbell job for $40,000 a year working in there and again love Campbell, love coach, mentor, great people, great organization, great area, great, great town wasn't for me and I tell everybody in life you have to make tough decisions turning down a $40,000 job at the time to a man that had Maybe $3,000 in the bank. If I was lucky I had no, I had were paying out of pocket for insurance, I had no health insurance, I had no dense, so I had nothing but I saw a better picture for myself through going down this path of trying to work towards, you know, doing, you know, I had my main jobs but my side hustle jobs to become a speaker and because of that never give up on my side hustle gusts, that's where I'm at today. Well there's two things in there that I think about when you tell that story is first you talk about your wife and there's a lot of things that we can't do in life without the support of others, right? And so when you have those support and you have a dream and they support you, um that helps us along with that road, you know, you knew that she said, I'm sure, Yes, I trust you, right? And that's why you probably got married and been married the whole time. The second part is you talked about hustle, right? There's nothing that we can do without a little hustle. Like I I look back at me and I say, yeah, I probably need to do a little bit more hustle. And there's things that get you motivated. I watch, you made a speech about, you know, if you want to lift, if you want to do things right, don't wait for external motivators, go do them for yourself. And I love that. And that's just that's just an internal hustle. And it seems like you have a tremendous amount of that got to because in this like us, nobody's gonna hand you anything if you hand me something my experience tells me, I don't want to anyway, I keep on moving, right? So if you're gonna sit down with one of our audience members and you're gonna tell them one thing, what would that one thing be? I would tell them all right, uh huh in order to beat out your competition, you have to do these three things. It's kind of like my one pillar because three aspects of our case outsmart. Outperform the competition. Outpaced them by showing up, outsmart them by creating a better strategy. Outperform them when the lights turn on and it's time to shine. You shine brighter than...

...anybody else in your way. If you want to be the best of the best and watch this episode, Outpace out. Smart. Outperform your competition, doing that will put you in and put you in the best position to succeed. Yeah, that is awesome. That is awesome. So, to wrap it up a little bit, so tell all of our fans and everybody when this podcast goes out and what we're doing live here today, how they can find Marcus ogden and exactly what your website is all about because it's phenomenal. So you can go to our website www dot Marcus M A R Q U e s ogden O G D N dot com And check us out. We do we have a lot of speaking things on there. When we talk about from a keynote perspective, one on one coaching consulting. We have some online programs, different books, different things like that. And again, it's all about your ability to know what you want in life and figure out what you're good at. We need to improve upon and then bring somebody in to help you get from start to finish and beyond when you do that. Gus, everything else takes care of itself. Yeah. You know what, you just have an amazing story and people would think like, oh, his brother, you know this, and then he played in the NFL and I'll tell you what, it's not that easy for all of us and you have proven that if you have a little hustle, a little hard work and a mindset, obviously we all have down parts in our life, We've all been through ups and downs and you're no different than anybody else, and I'm sure if we talked to Hall of Famers, they've all been through them to, you know, and you just keep a perspective of, of moving forward, putting one ft in front of the other. It may be I gotta go take a janitorial job, but I know that's gonna be the next step to something else in my life. So, you know, I appreciate you joining us and telling us your story today. It's an amazing story. And one thing I left that I have to ask if you and your brother went golf and who would win? Oh, him, yeah, he's awake and he's a way better. You were telling me before that he doesn't leave the golf course? No, he has his 75 purple golf courses have for like for ages, he is a member of anthem, and he's always on that damn golf course so far. He's a much better golfer. Well we're gonna get brother episode all one time, let you guys pick on each other for a while. That would be great unfortunate. Hey I appreciate you taking time interacting with our guests and join us on this new platform, we're just gonna grow this and it's gonna get better and better, especially if you and I can work together and uh you will push me a little bit because you know I always need a lot of coaching. We'll talk on saturday man, I know it's gonna be awesome. Zakia thank you so much Francisca gave gave done a great job keeping your old man in line there, I know it's hard work for you guys side but keep it going and doing a great job, we'll give this one a little less Howard, you know it's you you know there you go. There you go. Alright well hopefully we answered some questions, hopefully everyone got some insight from Marcus today and man do I appreciate you joining me uh as gunner says go bison's Gunner went to William and mary uh you know down there in that area but you know being in D. C. Growing up they're going to Howard your brother's there, I think it's awesome man. What a great story and I appreciate you joining me Marcus and everyone check us out on huddle up with gusts if you go to my website huddle up with gusts dot com, you can go there, find all of our episodes, we'll see you next week at the same time on thursday at five. I appreciate super the NFL alumni for helping us out with all of this. And also you can check me out on Sounder F. M. So take care. Uh Marcus, I appreciate you. Thank you for joining us and everyone, we will see you next time here on Super. And huddle up with gusts have a great weekend. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Mhm. Ah. Mhm. Mhm. There's yeah. Mhm. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Mm. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm.

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