Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

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Marjorie Lewis

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Welcome to the huddle with 15-year NFL quarterback Gus Frerotte! In the huddle today, Gus spends some real quality time with Marjorie Herrera Lewis, one of the most talented sports reporters and authors of our time. Gus and Marjorie discuss her passion for sports reporting and how from the early stages of her career, she knew that she loved writing and sports and to combine those together formed the perfect vocation. Her hard work and dedication paid off bigtime when she became the beat writer for The Dallas Cowboys for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Throughout her career, Marjorie covered college and professional sports, including the Texas Rangers and Dallas Mavericks, as well as tennis and golf. She also covered the Super Bowl, Wimbledon, the NCAA men's basketball tournament, and several college bowl games. As an author of numerous books, Gus and Marjorie discuss her inspirations and how she can interpret them into huge-selling books. These and so many other topics are discussed on today’s Huddle Up with Gus!

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...sure that happens. And uh that's something lots of fun. I mean I remember being down in Tampa Bay is a young girl when my grandfather on the eagles. And the colours of Tampa Bay were that creamsicle color which was such a fun color to to see on the field. Now it's a little more um their colors are a little more dangerous now I would say. But uh that's definitely what they're going for. Yes, but there's a lot of color. Yeah, that color didn't really put fear into anybody's hearts when you stepped on the field, right? Creamsicle. It's hard to, you know, it's hard to feel really kind of, you know, like a tough guy in a creamsicle jersey. Uh but it was a good color, definitely. Yeah, certainly lots of cowboy fans here, lots of people cowboys, they travel well speaking of cowboy fan, we have our guests today I think is a is a big cowboy fan and has also written about the cowboys has been one of the beat writers for the cowboy, She is first of many and so joining us today, marty is your friend and she was nice enough to send me her book uh Marjorie Herrera Lewis right, and she's written a book when the men were gone. So I can't wait to talk about it. But marty, why don't you tell us a little bit about marjorie in your relationship with her? So marjorie uh is an amazing writer, an amazing lady, an amazing advocate for women in sports, really truly and a friend of mine that's a mutual friend of ours had said, you know marjorie wrote this book called when the men were gone and I think it's something that you would really enjoy. So I ordered the book and I read it in one day, because it was so good, and it really it was such an amazing book and I mean, truthfully, I mean, I had not read a book, like, I mean, like a real book and a very like that that quickly in a very long time, but this book was so amazing that I really couldn't put it down. So I then begged my friend who had connected us to please, I was like, can you please just tell her that I'm a fan and I wanted to talk to her because I I really so obsessed with this book, and then she was so gracious and extended an opportunity for us to communicate. And uh then I was really I fangirl doubt on her, and I'm so glad that I did, because then I got to know a little bit about marjorie and why this book when the men were gone is so special and so amazing. It's really because Marjorie tells the story and obviously she wrote the book, although I really wish I had written the book because I love it so much about you know, these amazing people that were in a time and place, and I'm gonna let marjorie share all her that really overcame obstacles. And that's like, one of the things I love about football is that like really anybody if you have some passion and drive and grit, you can play, you can coach, you can be involved in football and that's what these amazing people in Brownwood texas did way, way, way back. So yeah, so Marjorie, how are you, the author that Marnie spoke so highly of, How are you doing today? And thank you for coming on how to up with guests? Well, it's great to be here. Thank you for the invitation and marty. I'm very humbled by your words, thank you. You're way too kind. But I'm doing great. I'm out in santa fe new Mexico for a few days and so I'm out of the Dallas fort worth heat for a little while. But uh I'm doing doing well and really enjoying where this life experience this journey has been taking me ever since the book came out? Well, I think your journey has been incredible ever since you've been in high school, you know, just just in what you've done and everything I've read about you, you've you've been a first in so many categories and and you've just been an I think the best thing I read that I love the most is when you talk about your mom and how she really pushed you guys to um be the first in so many things and I think...

...that was great. Can you tell us a little bit about your childhood and how you fell in love with sports. Both my parents are, were sports fanatics and they passed that on to me. I'm one of the second of five Children that it all resonated with me the most even more so than my brother who is the youngest, Although he had the opportunity to play more sports at the varsity level than I did because it didn't really exist much at that when I was in high school. But if you were to look at pictures of my parents when they were dating in the early 50s, almost every picture is in a gym or on a tennis court or at a baseball field. So my father went on to play baseball at ST. Mary's College of California. And uh, and my mother, you know, she living in santa fe new Mexico, she could have given you the starting lineup for the University of Rhode island. I mean she just knew everything about sports. And so it was something we shared. My father taught me how to catch his curveball and his fastball when I was about nine or 10 years old and my mother taught me how to throw a spiral. You know, she she's the one that kind of connected with me to football. My dad was more baseball and basketball and then a little football. So it just is in my blood. I knew that if I couldn't be a college or NFL quarterback, I was going to be at least somehow involved with the game and that's how I became a sportswriter know that. I think that's that's incredible. And so tell us a little bit about, I mean you said you didn't really play many sports, but when I was reading your bio, it said you played a lot of sports. I mean, uh, so, uh, what was your experience like and how did your, your high school sports experience push you to the next level and help you in your writing? Okay. I did, I played a lot of sports, but they didn't offer varsities except for like in volleyball at the time. It was called G. A. The girls Athletic association. But I went to a school in high school catholic school, ST Michael's high school that up until just a few years had been an all boys school and when the all girls school and the all boys called merge together, The christian brothers that ran the school, they didn't have any experience with girls. They didn't know how to deal with girls. So whenever we told him we wanted something there, like, okay, uh, so we say we want that basketball, okay, we want volleyball, we want tennis, we want flag football. They never turned us down for anything. And so as a result, even though I got to play in a lot of different sports that, that weren't sanctioned by the state yet as varsity. Um, I don't think I was ever turned down. You know, I played on the bowling club, I played on the, I was on the ski team, the downhill ski team. The brothers just never said no. So the girls, it was great. So, so I got that experience. Basketball was always my favorite and I have to say, Um one of my biggest regrets uh, is when I went to Arizona state, my freshman year, I was offered to walk on on the girls basketball team and I'm five ft 2 and uh, and I didn't do it and I think that's my biggest regret. I think the reason I didn't is I wanted to play intramural so that I could play everything. So I played flag football, basketball, softball, you know, everything, even water poll. Um, so I just didn't want to commit to one sport. But anyway, after college I became a sportswriter for a phoenix magazine. And uh, and then off off I went, I went, moved to Dallas and, and uh, why did you pick Arizona state? It was it just uh, it was it, was that the close factor, Was it both the close and uh, you know, or was it the party school at the time? No, no. Actually my family went through Arizona in the summer on our way to California and our car broke down outside of Yuma and I had never been so hot and miserable in my life. So when it picking a college, my parents said you could go anywhere in the country and people would ask me and...

I'd say I'm going anywhere but Arizona and then all of a sudden I had this realization, wait a minute. I'm gonna be there during the school year and they'll have basketball courts outside during the winter. So I could play the whole nine months, eight months I'm at school and I picked Arizona state because I could play basketball outside in the winter. Isn't that just the high level of thinking for general? That's exactly how my kids pick school to. Yeah, no regrets. So I studied journalism, especially broadcast journalism at the time. And then uh, when I moved to Dallas, I went to S. M. U. For a while and studied print journalism because I decided uh that's really where my interest was and uh, and then eventually worked my way up to the fort worth star telegram and then later the Dallas morning news. So I couldn't be more thrilled with how that all worked out. Yeah, no, I think it's that's great and, and uh, you know, just being in sports and having that a part of your life, I think that it brings, it adds so much to our character and who we are and it it makes us, you know, be with other, you know, people and trust them and have to do all those things. So tell me a little bit about how, when you started working in the industry and you know, a lot of times you were the first female and how did that like those sports and that competitiveness help you in those situations? Well, because I never got a chance to really compete in a high, high level in athletics, um I used the newspaper competition as my, this is, I'm gonna win. And what was so wonderful was when I was covering the cowboys, the Dallas Area Dallas Fort Worth Area had three big newspapers, you know, I was with the star telegram when I first started covering the cowboys, then there's the Dallas Morning News and then the old Dallas times herald and competition was fierce and so this was my playing field and all I ever wanted to do was break the story, you know, win the competition and so um that's sort of how I got my my experience, so to speak on the field and and yes, being the first woman to cover the cowboys, uh I have stories that could go on for, you know, for days. Um but the bottom line really was 99 they've been selling them here, marjorie, pardon me said they've been telling them here, but also the time it was very positive, the guys did respect the work I did and we developed very good professional relationships. In fact, to this day, I still hear from timmy knew Susan and Jim jeffcoat and you know, I run into Danny White, herschel walker toner said we have great, we built great mutual respect and so it was a good experience if you're ready for an an it don't let me know, I'll throw a couple out there. But well, you know, you said you were 52 and I know some football players are massive, right? There's, there's guys that have been 68, especially on the cowboys. And so tell me about the first experience you had when you had to interview somebody who was, you know, say a foot and a half taller than you. And what was that experience? Oh, that would be pretty, you know, to see those kind of contrasts are pretty funny. Yes. So one of the best was when I was interviewing too tall jones and I went up and started talking to him and I'm looking like this. And he looked at me and he said, would you like me to sit down? I said, no, that's okay, we're good. But then he said, but you're just too small and that's stuck. So every time he saw me for years I was too small. Hey, there's too small. In fact, even after I stopped covering the team and I was at a charity event that he happened to be at, He was in this room sworn by people and of course he was...

...tall, high above the cluster and he looked off to a distance, he saw me walking in and this was like 10 years after I covered the team and he yells out, there's two small, did you yell back, there's two times. That was your thing. That's awesome. Yeah, I mean I've done that, I'm 64 and I've looked up, the guys have been like this, how does somebody create this guy? Like he's massive. How does this happen? Hopefully is on offense, not defense because he was really like when, um, when Leon Lett was running after me and hit me a few times, you know those big guys, that doesn't feel great. No, it doesn't matter at all. So I ended up having to have next surgery and it was probably because I was always having to workers comp for your next surgery for, for looking up so much. But yeah, so it sounds like you just had such a good report with all the players. What was your last year that you cover Dallas? It was the first year of jimmy johnson coming in and taking over the team after that. I covered the team sporadically, but I didn't, I wasn't on a beat at that time anymore. So, so I experienced a transition. I had just had my first child and I was on maternity leave and the team was sold and I was so mad that I couldn't break that story. Yeah, that would be a big story to break. I mean there was a lot going on with the cowboys back then. I think What the 80s were like and then when the 90s happened and they start winning all the super bowls and I mean I was at uh, in Washington at that time. And uh, I had to play against all of that. So they were pretty good. They were. And even though I wasn't covering the team anymore during those nineties, uh, seasons where they were winning super bowls, I was doing a lot of feature stories. So, so, you know, I do a day in the life of Troy, Aikman, a day in the life of, of Michael Irvin. You know, I got to know those guys pretty well too. That's amazing marjorie. I mean, so also you were able to really track something like the eighties without technology and then going into, I mean, so that's another whole thing, is that all the resources that writers have available now, how did you do your homework? I mean, how did you get prepared for the games to actually then go and then write a really comprehensive story about that. You talked to a lot of people, a lot of people and you had to have respect within the organization if they were going to tell you things, you know? And so, um, so that I was very fortunate to have a lot of people within the organization who trusted me enough to talk to me a lot. And, and so that's really what it was. It's just, you know, the cowboys in those days, tex Schramm the minute you became a beat writer, he would give you a list of all the coaches, administration people, the football players, their phone numbers, their home address, we have total access to everybody at any time, isn't that I know it's really amazing. It was so different. I know my grandfather was a big fan of tax and the merchants ends, but you know that is uh, you know, so different now when you think, when you think about how different now. Yes, but text really believed in in the, the idea of getting the names out, getting the coverage, getting, he wanted to make it is easy for us to uh interview and get information now. Did he always like it? Sometimes he'd call me and cussed me out, you know, so that was okay too because usually when he was mad about something that you broke it because he knew you were right and he just didn't like out there yet. But, but that was it. I talked to a lot of people um I had really good working relationships with the uh, the players and the coaches and um and it really worked in my favor. I was very grateful for that. I have to say. At one point...

...when I was first hired at the star telegram as a sportswriter, not necessarily a cowboys writer. My sports editor. The first day that I got to work, he asked me if you're ever put on the cowboys beat, how would you handle it? And I told him, you know, I'd never forget that the athletes were people, I would be fair. I would, I would always try to get different sides to a situation. And I said, you know, that's what I've done with college and high school athletes. You know, I don't look at them as a commodity or a news story that they're people. And he looked at me and he said, you'll never make it in this business. And I was like, whoa. So two years later, a new sports editor puts me on the beat. And what happens be in the middle of my first season covering the cowboys. I get a call from NFL Gameday magazine. They want me to write the lead story for the magazine that would be placed in all stadiums across the country. I couldn't do it because of conflict of interest, but I asked him why are you asking me? And they said to me, because we think you're the best NFL writer in the country. This was 1986. So something I did worked, even though my boss told me, I would never make it, wow, that's amazing. And and also heard the story of of your first press box experience. Can you tell us a little bit about that? Because I understand like, you know, there's a mutual respect between you and the players and coaches, that's kind of how we're all brought up and taught, right, but you're competing against all these other guys in the press box and, and you walk in and tell us a little bit about that, that dynamic was probably a little bit different. That was something I really didn't even expect. Um but what happened is I walk into the press box for the first game, which was going to be an exhibition game. And traditionally, like in every NFL press box, um you have, the front row is reserved for beat riders and maybe a columnist. So we have traditionally to beat writers, each of the papers had to beat writers and a columnist. So there are three seats in the front row. So I walk in and I go to, it didn't have our names on it just said beat writer. And I went, my set at a beat roger spot in the front row, and I'm sitting there unpacking my computer, my bag, getting ready for uh, for the game, and my telephone rings and I pick it up and it's my sports editor, and he says, the guy's just called me, they're they're really upset, what's going on out there? And I'm like, well, what are you talking about? Apparently somebody's in the front row that's not supposed to be there. And I'm thinking nobody else had sat down. So of course I knew who he was talking about, and I said, well, who do you think it is? And he said, well, is it? And he starts throwing out all these names of people that we're gonna be there too, right, um some some features or something else, and and finally, after he'd gone through this list of men, he says you and I said yes, it's me. And you know what his response was? He said, get back there, and I'm like, get back there. And I just said to him, you know what, I'm a beat writer and the beat writers sit in the front row and I am not moving unless you take me off the beaten, now then I'll move. But otherwise, if I'm still in the beef, I'm sitting here and I'm not moving. And so he said, ok, you handle the guys, And I said I have no problem, okay. And then not one of them approached me and I sat there for years right now, That's awesome. And that's kind of what you have to do, it's not in a when you stand up for yourself, you're not necessarily standing up in a mean way or anything, you're just you're just who you are and people respect that and I think that's probably what it sounds like what happened to me. Yeah, I mean, I was just doing my job. I mean, the only thing that was different with me and any other beat writer was that I was female, and if the seats were for the beat writers and that's where I was going to sit, right mm, that's a that's amazing marjorie, but I definitely think, you know, which is the whole theme of, you know, gus show about...

...sports, kind of bringing everybody together and really educating us on the playing field, so you're playing field was, you know, being a beat writer and that was it. You were suited up to play and you wanted that job and you were going to do everything you could to protect that job and you did not Samantha's and the relationships changed over, over a very short period of time. Um, the, my colleagues and competitors really warm, you know, they brought me into the, uh, into the club, so to speak and we had great relationships, in fact it was randy Galloway, you've probably heard of him if you're familiar with the Fort Worth area, Fort Worth Dallas uh, uh, newspaper industry, but he's the one that brought me over to the Dallas morning news, we were competitors and he said, we're tired of you kicking us in the fanny come over and work with us and I did. Do you think that was the moment that you realized that? I mean, was there one moment where you're like, ok, wait a minute. I got this. Was there a moment that you realized that? Or was that it or how did that? I think the moment was the way I started getting treated in the press box, everybody, I felt like everybody had warmed up to me, I think at first when I showed up, they were just, it was just new and different and they didn't know how to respond, but it didn't take long for them to see that I was a student of the game, I knew what I was writing about, what I was talking about and we ended up on road trips and everything all going out to dinner together and, and we play on softball teams together. And when the cowboys played the Bears in London, I was part of the Dallas fort Worth Media softball team and we played against the Chicago softball team there in Hyde Park and uh it was all, it was all fine. It was a great experience. So when you were finished with the cowboys, you know, and you were not the beat writer for them anymore. You stayed with the Dallas morning star, Is that right? At the Dallas Morning News Morning News? Right. And then you just kind of, you also wrote about the Mavericks, uh you know, a lot of other sports going on in doubt. I mean it's a big city, so tell us about that like that. You know, you keep transitioning and where did you really want to go next? Did you have an idea or you just kinda, I'm going to go wherever this takes me. I knew where I wanted to go. I, I really, to be honest, I, I, I always felt in control of my career and I remember I was at Super Bowl 22 a lot of the reporters that I came up with at the same time. I don't know if you remember mitch album or Lesley Visser uh Melissa isaacson john Feinstein, you know a bunch of us, we all kind of came in together And we were on on the bus on our way to go to cover the Super Bowl 22. We've already been in town for a good while in in san Diego. And everybody was talking about where they wanted to go with their career and you know Leslie's, I want to go on tv and she did and and mitch is you know, I want to write books and do all they say everybody did what they wanted to do. And what they asked me was I said, I love the game of football. I am not wrapped up in the in the glamour or anything about covering cowboys are covering the NFL. And what I want to do is I want to cover D three football one day. And they were like what you're at the Super Bowl and you want to cover D three football. And I said, I know, I know that sounds strange but that's what I want to do. And so I stayed with the morning news for about 14 more years after I quit covering the NFL And I covered D three and D two football. And by then I had two daughters and they would go with me, my husband and the and the girls would go to the games and while I was writing my stories I would look out on the...

...field and I'd see my two daughters doing cart wheels on a football field waiting for mommy to finish her stories. And then we'd go out as a family and we'd go out to eat and we talked football, we talked about the game and my girls grew up loving football, loving sports and thinking of it as you know, our weekend adventure in the fall. And so and then I also wanted to write books and so that's why I wrote this book when the men were gone and covered a lot of amazing athletes who went on to be doctors and lawyers and teachers, professors. I loved it. I loved it. Yeah, d. three seems to be like the guys who really want to keep playing, you know what I mean? Like there's just a love of football, right? It's not gonna be like your Alabama's where it's all the spectacular stuff but it's just guys uh and people who want to just go out and continue to play. Yes. And you know what's funny is my first D. Three game after seeing an NFL game, my brain was so wired for the speed of the NFL that when I saw my first D. Three game I could have sworn they were running backward. I mean it was so slow that it took a while for my brain to adjust. Yeah, I can see that definitely happened happening. Yeah, I mean marty so you probably can relate to marjorie and her girls being out in the field and you know when you you probably ran around the stadium in philadelphia all the time. I did well, you know, and when you talk about pace of play of the professional football game, often my grandfather would take me on the field during the game and it would really upset my mother because she was like, but dad, you don't, you know, she's a little person and like the pace of play, like balls go flying everywhere, you know, you don't know in an NFL game where they're going to wind up, but I love the excitement of it just being on the field, there's nothing more exciting than being on a football field, whatever it is, whether it's A D three field or professional football field, there's something about just running around and seeing what's going on and being in the middle of the action is so great and I love that, you know, you taught your daughter's obviously the same love and passion that you have for football that that I you know, I have to and it really is something that I think is great for young women to speak football and then you become marjorie, like people know, oh she's the football lady like people actually, which is kind of a little bit and I want you to share this story about how you ended up learning about you know how when the men were gone, how that came into action because really because everyone knows you're the football lady. Yeah, yeah. So I found out about kyleen Wilson when I went to get allergy shots and I was wearing a t shirt that had the University of Tulsa football and I get my and the allergist this nurse, jean van Waters, she sees me and she says, oh a woman who loves football. I due to all the women in my family loved football because my great aunt was a football coach and I was like your what? And I and she says my great aunt and and I was trying not to hyperventilate that I'm hearing a story like this. And I asked her, I said where was this? And she says Brownwood texas now if you know, high school football in texas. Brownwood is one of the more iconic cities, a little towns. They had just had a famous football coach? Gordon would their stadiums named after him? He had won seven state championships at Brownwood. And and I was just like oh my gosh! And I said when was it? And she said during World War Two? And my father was a World War Two veterans. So I've always been fascinated by that part of history. So I started asking her all kinds of questions and by the time I left my appointment she I asked her she would let me write to her aunt's biography and she said that would be wonderful. Unfortunately her aunt's story, much of it was lost to time. So I wrote a novel based around everything that I knew to be true. And...

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...herschel walker Supplanted Tourney door set uh in the starting lineup there was a home game where Dorset didn't play at all. And now you picture this guy who's Heisman trophy winner. He's he's a first round draft pick, he's a star for the cowboys for so many years. And now he's sitting an entire game and so when the game was over we left we went to the interview room where the players we had access to interviewing and Tony left, he didn't want to talk to the media. So I called my sports editor because he really wanted me to talk to Tony. I said well he's gone. So you know, he didn't stay for the interviews and my sports editor said, well then you got to go to his house. Now remember I had that list of numbers, addresses, everything. I'm like, oh please, you know, I don't want to be those people that chase after and everything and he's no, you got to. So I get in my car and I drove over to Tony's house. He lived in a cul de sac in north Dallas. There are a lot of cars parked in front of his house. So I figured all his friends would come over and they were kind of talking about how mad they were that he hadn't played. And I'm thinking, okay, here we go. I knock on the door, Tony opens up the door and he sees me and he goes, oh no, I didn't want to talk to the press. You know, like just what you wanted, the greeting you want when you open the door. Oh no. I said Tony, I don't want to be here either. This is the last place I want to be. But I have a job to do. So can we talk just for a few minutes, just a few minutes. And he said, well we can't come in here. The whole house is full. There is no place to talk. So he said, okay. And we sat on the curb. Now here's a star NFL athlete and we're sitting like two kids in the front of the house, on the curb of the sideway of the sidewalk and we talked and talked and talked and he opened up and he told me everything about how he felt about sitting and what he might do next. Of course, we all know, he ended up with the broncos. Um, and I was the only one who had the story the next day. Nobody else did. And, and we just had a great conversation. It just turned into a great conversation that never even felt like an interview. Yeah, I will say that the best conversations I've had are people that are just honest and real with you and in all the years I've played Um 15 that, you know, you knew kind of the media, people that were honest and wrote the truth. You know, not necessarily, um not the truth. Like stats and all that, that's easy to find out, but it's just about who you were. Yeah, I had a bad game or I had a great game, but I'm a good person. I have a, you know, three kids, I have a loving wife and it's just a great family. Like to me, when those, when it felt like that wasn't being said about me, that made it, you know, harder to, to talk to that person. I totally get it. I totally get. In fact, one time john Dutton was having, he, he decided he didn't like the way the reporters were covering how he was doing at that time and he didn't want to talk to the media anymore. At one point I really wanted to talk to him and I said john can I just ask you three questions? I'm not talking to the media. No. I said please just three questions. Finally he said okay after he talked and talked, after I finished the third question, he answered it and then he stood there waiting for the next question and I looked and I said I could ask you at least three more but that was three and that's what you agreed to. And so he was shocked because I stopped and from then on Any time I needed to talk to him about anything he knew that I didn't I wasn't going to be dishonest and keep asking questions just because he had lost track of that was three and there are things like that that I think really made an impression, you know, on on the guy's definitely definitely so marty, how's it going down in Tampa are you excited for tonight? Yeah, well the weather's clearing up a little bit. It was a little rainy because that's what happens, but it looks like it's clearing up. People are starting to...

...definitely get uh you know, you can feel this is what the great thing is and I know both of you can understand and relate just that that feeling of excitement before a game, whatever it is and really obviously this is a big game because it's the opening of the season, but before any game, whether you're watching D. Three, you know, those guys playing whether you're at the University of Tulsa or Penn State or a professional football game. So it's definitely, I can hear, you know, you can hear Miley, Cyrus singing and the band not herself, but once they start playing Miley, you know, they're getting ready for some for some wild wild activities down here. For sure. Yeah, it's usually what's his name, hank what he was, Yeah, hank Williams, he's playing somewhere right now, getting ready for football. So uh yeah, I mean it's always exciting the first game of the year and the NFL does such a good job, I talked about this today, they do such a good job with the fan engagement and promoting the game and and how connected everybody gets to the game. So, and so the NFL ever come to you marjorie and say like, you need to make sure that you're connecting or they just let you write whatever you don't like what you just wrote, whatever that's awesome. You know, big companies sometimes want to want to make sure everybody knows what they what they want them to you. Yeah, no, I think part of the problem was and and Texan tom Landry, they knew um they knew that they weren't going to be able to dictate uh you know, any of the stories or any of the direction of the stories. Well, they know if too small is in there, we weren't going to be able to tell her anything or guilt and it was quite the character. Right. Right. So, okay, so you get done writing and I'm excited to hear about your next chapter because you know, you went to texas Wesleyan, I've been there before and uh tell me a little bit about your experience there because you were a coach, You were an assistant, you helped the coaches, you were in the press box giving them information. So how did that come about? Where you, you got to be a coach? Well, I just never even thought about coaching. It came about because I was working on my novel and, and I'm finding out about Thylacine Wilson and all of her coaching and all of a sudden I just got like, I want to get on the field. So when uh when texas wesleyan brought its football program back for the first time in 2017, it had disbanded in 1942 shortly after uh Pearl harbor happened. And and the football team, I just want to share the conference championship, but they all decided to go serve the country and the team disbanded. So, So now they're coming back for the first time in 2017 and the school didn't have much of a budget. So a lot of their coaches had to be volunteers. And so I went in and I met with the head coach and uh, I told him I wanted to be one of the volunteers. He asked me, what position do you want to volunteer? And I said I would like to work with wide receivers and he said, okay. And the assignment defensive acts and linebackers. Uh, and so I just, you know, started scouting. I did scouting reports and I worked with the players on the field. We had practices at uh 5 45 6 46 o'clock in the morning because there was no home field. So we had to use a local high school and we would show up and it was dark and the lights were on and we could hear the roosters in the, in the neighborhood and we practiced until the sun came up. And uh, it was very surreal. But, but yeah, during games I was with the headset and I'll have to say one thing whenever I'm watching football and I see the head coach chewing them into the headset, I still cringe because we're all listening to the chomping um, up in the, up in the press box. Uh, but uh, I had a great working relationship with the...

...athletes. I discovered just like tiling did during her journey that if these young men know you have some sort of knowledge or something that you can bring to them, that will make them better. That then it doesn't matter that you didn't play it or that you were not, you know, a man, so it worked out very nicely, so marty, have you ever wanted to coach football? Well, you know what, I feel like having two boys at a played football while I'm not the official, while, I have not been on the field, coaching, being a mom and an advocate of teenagers playing sports, I think that I've done a little bit of uh behind the scenes coaching, but sure, I think marjorie and I need to uh talk about, you know picking up and and doing some coaching together, so I mean coaching is really about being elite, you know, cause you know, you coach, I mean coaching a lot of it's about strategy and so forth, but about being a leader both on and off the field and that to me, you know, it's interesting, it's like I look back at some of these great coaches and the players that played for them, the ones that seem to be really successful have had great coaches that have really taught them leadership skills, like coach from so many people that played under coach for meal have gone on to have tremendous success after the football, you know, and so I think that being a great coaches about really being a great leader and then also having a great football mind what you know is I don't know if I have a good football, I don't know if I have a good football mind, but I don't know if I have a football mind as you know, some of these guys are so good these guys and gals. Well I think too that coaching you're not taught that right? I wasn't I coached high school football coach Ezekiel Elliott Marjorie, I don't know if you knew that in in high school. Yeah, so um and you know, and you go in from the NFL and you're saying, Okay, I know a lot about football. I have my PhD in football, right? I've been doing this for 25 years. I should be able to coach. But there's so many other aspects to coaching that you don't know about, right? That you aren't taught like Because you I've dealt with NFL coaches for 15 years and they're dealing with other men all of a sudden you're dealing with these kids in high school and there are so many things that I had to learn and so many things that I screwed up and I have to apologize for and and you know, make sure the kids knew that I was for them and not against them and it's just and changed the whole way I talk because people without that knowledge, you know, you have to treat them like they don't know all the time and they don't write my that's true. My my father in law, my wife's dad who coached football for 42 years, who was telling you about the went to new Mexico State, He tells a great story. He said, look I went out and coached a kid, I told him to get in a three point stance, he put three fingers down and bend over and put his hand down. He said okay what's this guy doing? He said getting a two point stance, he put two fingers down and you know I got in the stance and he said all right getting the four point stance, he put four fingers down. He said that just made me realize that you know you can't assume as a coach that anybody knows what they're talking about, you really have to teach and coach and be a leader like you said, oh the very very basics, very basics that you can't assume and that is so true and and even beyond that they've got so many things going on in their lives and they need somebody that they can talk to as well. And then they also, you know one of the things that really bothered me when when I first started coaching at texas wesleyan as the practices were so quiet and I just felt like nobody knows each other, they don't know each other, they don't know how to, to to pull for each other, they weren't connected yet, you know, I mean I just feel like quiet practice is not a good practice and um and so there's just so many things that you don't even think about that all of a sudden present themselves. Yeah, yeah,...

...it's always a learning experience and so tell me a little bit about how now that you've gone to coaching and you start thinking about Thailand, I mean, and I can't imagine like you're going to write this story about her and now you're coaching you and it just, to me it seems so surreal that that's the path you took and that's the story you wrote. Mhm. Yeah. Well, you know, I wanted her story to be so authentic because she's a real person, you know, even though it's a novel, I didn't just make her up in my head and create a story, I had to be very true to her story and to who she is and you know, I've always taught at the university level, which has helped me in coaching because I've been around kids that age, but but I teach media ethics also at the University of north texas and I felt an ethical obligation to her legacy and and and so I had to do a lot of research to make it authentic and newspaper clippings where I could see direct quotes and I would know how she spoke and and I had to get to know who she was because I wrote the book as you know in first person and so I became thylacine essentially telling the readers which she would want us to know And and I think having that experience on the field, like when I worked at walked on the football field for the first time in a coach's role. I just couldn't stop looking at my feet thinking on these are feet of a football coach on a football field. It was it was really it was a pretty awesome moment. But so so yeah, I just really had to connect with her and and her story. And as a result they've got a room in the press box at the at the football high school football field called the Thylacine Wilson room. They get cut the rhythm for the exhibit at the, at for her exhibit at the ground, County Museum of History. And just today I got an email from somebody who wanted to ask who's asking me some information because they want to put a historical marker. And and so um so I I just felt like I owed it to her and her life and her legacy to make it as authentic as I could. And and so living the role was part of it. It's really, yeah, it's really incredible. I mean certainly marjorie your body of work is really something that I know Thailand would be very proud that you wrote her story because you've really done it all, you uh between writing and being the first woman then, being that you were always, which I guess is something again about sports, like wanting to be the first in the room, the winner the first one to do it. That's something that competitive nature is what sports drives us. You know, you're like, well no one's done it, but why can't it be me? And that is something that I know that you probably have a lot of young women and young men to wonder, you know, wanting to follow in your footsteps of being the first and doing it and picking up where you kind of have have a left off, well, you haven't really left off, but we're appreciate way into this transition like great athletes, You just kept transitioning because gus you know, you've done things, you went from playing football, professional eight and doing other things, having a great successful podcast, like you want to keep improving as a professional athlete, your brain is wired with, like I need to do more, I want to do more. Right. Exactly. And and I think that's that's part of it. As you just keep one of you want to keep growing. And I say that I made that mistake in the NFL is that I didn't, I wanted to be a good father, I wanted to be a good husband and and then football was my other love. Right? And so I did those two things, but I didn't continue to grow in education and other things which I should have and and had the opportunities to in the off season. So that's probably one little regret I have is that I wish I would have went back maybe got my MBA or something like that. And I always tell guys if you have an opportunity to make sure that you continue your education, because it's so important because the NFL will help, you will pay for it. That's true. Yes. And there are some that do and you know, Emmett smith, he went back and yeah, there's a lot of guys that do that and I think that's great and I...

...think that if you want to go into something else in life, you have to learn about, right? I went into coaching and podcasting and it's just such a high learning curve for everything that you try to do that sometimes just kind of go sit in class, learn a little bit before you dive into it might help. So, I wanna margin, I wanted to ask you. Okay, so why the cover? Why did you pick this picture? Okay, well harpercollins out of new york, it's one of the biggest publishing houses in the world. And so I had no say in the picture. And it was funny, what's interesting though, is that my editor, she sent me an email and said I'm sending you a copy of the cover, if you have any suggestions or changes, let me know, I'll pass them on to the art department, but I'll tell you right now they don't care. So, you know, no matter what I said. So I I actually did say, could you put print on the dress, Could you had trees because it's in the pecan valley. Could you add an airplane that looks authentic? And they actually did all the things that I asked. My editor was shocked. Um, but I loved the cover for 22 reasons. One, the woman that is the model for the cover looks exactly like my mother looked like when she was that age. Exactly like my mother. And so, um I couldn't believe it when I saw it. And then the second thing is, my husband came up with the title of the book. So he loves it because you know, I right tens and tens and tens and tens of thousands of words. He writes five and he gets the cover gee. I wonder how many times he tells you about that. Exactly. I know. I'd never let my wife forget. He doesn't, Well marjorie tell us about what's happening now with when the men were gone. Well, just yesterday I got some pretty good news. Um uh we're under contract with a couple of of uh film producers. And uh they already have a uh a studio that I can't give the name of yet because it's not announced yet. But they're working with a a studio and that studio assigned a screenwriter and I've seen the treatment for the draft. We zoom, we went on zoom and uh went over what probably was necessary to be included. Um and now they're looking for attachments and we should know in the next maybe uh 4 to 6 weeks who we might have directing the film and and uh maybe even shortly after that who will be playing Kyleen. So I am just beyond thrilled. It's just, I still can't believe this is happening is awesome. Who would you like to see? Plate Eileen? Well, I don't know if they'll get mad at me if I say anything. Um I know when I was still writing it, I was sort of thinking of amy Adams, you know, I mean I wrote it with the picture of the real Thailand next to my computer. So I was always thinking about her but there are a lot of people that I think would be you know fantastic. I well she, what is is tiling like is she feisty? She fiery like you know what I mean? Like all that plays into who or was she just kind of calm, cool and collective Well she was a combination of both. She kind of knew how to pick her spots and so she wasn't like a comedian so she's not like hilarious, funny or anything like that, but she was very driven, very determined and and uh she could go to toe to toe with anybody. So she was tough but she was also very warm, you know, she was protecting the boys, you know, she didn't want them to go off to war until they were men, you know, finish your childhood and then go do what men do. Right, Right. Yeah. That's that's amazing. What a great story. And so for both of you who are strong women, what would you say to our fans who are women and that are trying to make a...

...next step or a different transition in life? What advice would you give them? So marty, tell me a little bit then, marjorie, I'll let you go. Okay, well, I think for me it was really, hey, I'm so grateful that there are so many amazing women out there, or men that really understand the value of what we are, what we can bring to the table. So for other women, other young women out there, just know your value and find the people try to find the people that will be your cheerleaders, not everybody's whatever you are. So find your cheerleaders, cheer for them, let them cheer for you. And just remember that, you know, ultimately you're going to get there. It's like football inch by inch. Every you know, just keep moving the ball down the field and you will get there. But definitely try to find your cheerleaders and there might just be one cheerleader. And that's okay because all it takes is one cheerleader cheering for you and you'll you'll get there awesome marjorie, What do you think advice you would give somebody? Well, you know, I've had a lot of people ask me this themselves. They come up to me and they say I wanted to be a sportswriter too. But I got a few nose and I just changed directions. And so, uh you know, they regretted it. They were like, why didn't digest? You know, persist if that's what I wanted to do. So I would tell them, you know, they're going to be doors that close. But if you keep going after it, they're gonna there's gonna be a door that opens and and so don't give up, you know, just keep going, keep going. And it's like the advice my mom gave me when I was little, there was no such thing as Nike at the time. But when I would tell her anything that I wanted to do, she would just look at me and said, well then just do it. It was very simple, you know, to her, it was just do it, do it, don't talk about it, do it. And that's what all my sisters and my brother and I did. We just followed mom's advice and we never really thought of the of of the the difficulties we may incur uh you might experience along the way because it was just not even a consideration. You just go do what you want to do, right? Don't you wish your mom would have put a little tm by just do it? You might be talking to us from Hawaii right now. No kidding. All right, so what's up next? You talked about? Are you doing any book tours or what can you tell us about your book and how you're promoting it right now? Well, you know, the book came out in uh in October of 18, so we're getting close to three years and and the invitations have not stopped coming. I'm still out there uh meeting with as their major speaker for a lot of organizations. I'm still signing a lot of books doing A lot of a different kind of media interviews. It's amazing to me, it's slowed down during 20 because of the virus and everything. And then all of a sudden things started going to zoom and now all of a sudden I'm getting invitations all the time. And and it's interesting because my publisher at Harper Collins told me when they published the book, they said, we we have a feeling this is going to have a long shelf life. And I was hopeful, but I could not have seen this coming. And so uh I'm very grateful. Yeah, we're grateful you wrote it because these are the stories that everybody needs to read and listen to and and understand what being first means, right? And I think you explained it so well, when you did your ted talk. Oh, yeah, well, thank you. I appreciate that. Yes. You know, and there's still so so much room for first and so I hope people don't hesitate just because maybe they don't have a role model or something like that. Just like my mom would say then become the role model. Just go for it, you know? Right, Right. That is awesome. So I appreciate both of you spending time with me today on the huddle up with gusto marty, Give me your prediction for tonight's game. I think it's gonna, there's a bunch of cowboy people in front of me, but I think it's gonna be Tampa Bay, I'm gonna say Tampa Bay, I'm not quite sure. I'm not gonna give actually, let's just...

...say, I think tom brady is going to throw a lot of touchdowns. I just want to act to stay healthy. That's why I do want him to stay healthy. So I love healthy. I love it when players can stay healthy through the whole season. So Tampa Bay is going to win and I think it's gonna be a pretty high scoring game. Oh good. What do you think marjorie? Oh, I agree with Marnie, it's going to be a high scoring game, but the cowboys are gonna win. I actually picked the cowboys too. So I said doc is going to have a breakout game, he's going to be healthy. He's got a lot of talent around him and I always think tom brady starts a little slow in the season. I build this way up so you don't want to meet up with him in the last game of the season. Yeah. You definitely want to catch him in the first game. Yeah. No, I I appreciate both of you joining me and huddle up with gusts and March. We'll definitely let you know when we put it all on social media. We wanna, we wanna thank you for joining us today, marty. Thank you for being my co host again. Tell us about your book one last time. Alright, football. And that's why I'm here because I'm actually going to the Ronald Mcdonald house after we do this before the game. So football Freddie and fumbled the dog game day in the USa and there's many different cities to choose from. You can get them all philadelphia, the Carolinas, Atlanta. Let's see. Green bay Dallas fort worth Chicago and now Tampa bay. Wonderful. Send us some artwork so we can share it. We gotta put it on the media. I definitely do that. Yeah, this has been great. Thank you. Yeah, that would be great. I appreciate both my dogs out there bark and he's like, dad, you've been in there an hour now. So let's go saul, he's got to go out and go to the bathroom. I think so, I appreciate you both of you joining me and uh it's just been a wonderful talk marjorie and you know, everyone needs to go out and get the book and read it. Well, thank you. Thank you. I've had a great time. Thanks for the for including me in this conversation. Mhm. And I swear I won't say too small on any of my social media. It's that's okay. It's pretty funny. Yeah, it's a good story. It's a great story. So that's our show, everyone. Thanks for joining us on the huddle up with Gus. Uh and I appreciate all of our sponsors. Uh 16 31 Digital News, I appreciate sounder FM and I appreciate, you know, you got to go to Vegas sports advantage, you gotta put in my code, huddle up and save some, save some money. They're gonna help you pick the right teams and then they're gonna win you some cash. So go out, go there, go to Vegas sports advantage and listen them. I appreciate marty, I appreciate margie terry brian, thank you all so much and go to wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. Check out huddle up with Gus and we'll see you next time. And that's a wrap sportsman, Thanks for joining in the fun at the 16 31 digital studios for another action, huddle up with Gus featuring 15 year NFL quarterback. Gus Ferrand, huddle up with Gus is proudly produced by 16 31 Digital media and is available on apple music.

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