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Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

Episode · 2 years ago

Lesley Visser

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

American Sports Broadcaster, Radio Personality, accomplished sportswriter, and the first woman to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Lesley Visser joins the Huddle. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gaye this week in to huddle with us, is probably one of our most prolificguests. We've had on the show, yet I think Yot' seem to say any sports fanrecognizes her name and her face and her voice her accomplishment. He can't even told how many how manychampionships she's been involved. It were she's been the person handing outthe Trophy and oh e, absolutely and just wit, the the amount of super you knowhigh end, don't know if weewoing, to call it sporting events, the Olympic Super Bowl world series, umbfinals, Usopen Masters, all that that she's been a part of. If you look thatup, it's not yeah she's been to three super bowls. It's thirty! SIX SUPERBOWLS! It's three Olympics! It's! You know it's thirty, four final fours,it's unbelievable! It is unbelievable, and we've interviewed a few other of her friends, ChristineBrennon and Sally Jenkins as well, but they've broken the barrier yeah theywere. She was the first as far as sports caster she's in the NFL Hall offame. She got to carry the torch when theOlympics were going to back to Greece yeah. She was well she's voted thenumber one female sports caster of all time, which just yeah about that, andwe get to spend some time today with her yeah she's great. So we want towelcome into the hoddle today Leslie thisser. Today we have Leslie on in thehuddle with us and huddle up with Gus and Leslie. Thank you for joining us inthe hoddle today with Dave, and I, Oh God, it's great to talk to anybodyfrom Pittsburgh, and I was just telling a friend of mine. I still have gus yournumber twelve bibble head doll, but how many? How many teams were you number?Twelve with? I was six teams. I was number twelve becausewhen I played for the dolphins, Bob Breecy's number was retired and hewasn't given it tanybody. So specially n o Ti Yu. Did you kick that from? Isthat a Jonama thing from your childhood? No, it's a Terry Bradshaw thing, so Iknow you're. Are you Sol close with Terry? You guys till friends? Oh my God.I just saw him down here and I said because you know I covered in workedwith them. Everything- and I said Terry, the Fox cruise down one of the Dolphin Games to practicefor the Super Bowl and I said Terry. I never thought that I would live to seeyou doing commercials for walking tots yeah. Those are great. Those are great when Iwatch those, but you know that was my idol growing up. When I, when I was a kid and outside ofPittsburgh, I mean always obviously in s the steelers were the ultimate teamin the NFL and Terry Bratrod, just always had a rifle for an arm andalways thought I could do that. He was one of the girl carry gave me Terry Canby, one of my mostembarrassing, humiliating moments of my career. I was at the Boston Globe andthey made me the first woman to cover the NFL as a beat. So, of course, therewere no provisions forequality or anything, and I was standing outsidethree rivers. Now I spent my first seven years standing in parking motswaiting for you, guys and Hary Terry came out and you know I acknowledge. Imust look like I was from Mars. You know I wasn't a groupe over by the jeepand I wasn't anybody, the owner's wife and so terrycame out, and I went to ask me question and he took my notepads, find it andwalked away. That would be crazy moment. That soundslike it's something tha Terry would do, though. Oh yeah, he told me years later thathis autograph was worth more than whatever crap I was going to write yeah. I don't think so, Terry. I thinkyour clear Spak for itself. So, if we go back to when you were growingup, one of the things we always ask or guess is what was that moment? What wasthat time in your life, when you were young,that you fell in love with sports? Oh Wow, that's a great question. I wasreally privileged to be a child of Boston. You know how you had it inPittsburg, a other teams Chicago my childhood was Ted Williams, bilt,Russell and bobby, or so it was just an absurd. We didn't live there all that long, but...

I wanted to be a sports writer from thetime I was like nine or ten years old, and I just remember my brother and Iwould take the bus to Femwy, and you know it really is that that scene,where you walk in maybe the first time you ever saw the pirates and you seethe green. You know you see the outfield to see the infield. I couldsmell the Family Franks Li E. I learned to score baseball when it was likeeight years old. You know six to fourty two still my favorite playing baseball,so the great thing happened was that when I told my mom I wanted to be asports writer. She didn't that that didn't exist for women. WHENIT was Wa,since I was the Firston, a didn exist, all those yeurs and she didn't say tome: Oh you can't do that girl. Don't do that. She said that's great. Sometimesyou have to cross when it says: Don't Walk Yeah, that's great! It's greatadvice, and now I'm sure that that you've kept that motto for a long timeand everything that you've had to beat gone through in your sports career yeah. It was very, it gave mepermission and when I speak at colleges or whatever, I always tell people thatwhatever it is, they think they want to do. I don't care if you're, black orwhite or Catholical Protestant, O gay or Histanic whatever you want to do.I'm the example that you can do it because the job did not exist, so itwas like. I had a dream and I just said about making it come true, but I was avery odd child. Other kids in Boston would dress up. You know te daughters,everybody they dress up as Cinderella or Mary poppins, and I would go as Samdones the guard for the n yeah. What number as she I had twenty four he wasa bank shotmr clutch andnow he's a great friend of mine and he calls theselike a something now and he costme every howwe, please less, like your tooold. Do not wear my shirt around and I say too bad too bad you're, my idolandthat's. What I wear that's awesome. Did you play sports in when you weregrowing up? I did you know it's really embarrassing.My cameen moved quite a bit which was great for learning sports yea. We livedin Baltimore, we live in Cincinnati live in California, although my Gadgrew up in t e Amstergame, but I was you know I was voted, usually thebest athlete wherever I went to high school in the Berkshires at near Amerst,Misachusetts yeah, but Youkno. What happens and maybe Dade feels this towhat happens is when you go on to work with guys. Like you guss, you know, you're really not going totalk about. Oh yeah, it was voted the best athlete in my high school. I ean.You know I'm sitting there with wher. We know iowr Fil, fin and Romoand. So you really not going totalk about your high school, but it did teach me you know, play on a team and try to do well but still be a teammatewhich I think works in business. What sports did you play last Lee? You know, did Yo tell me once, and Iwonder if this is amting- do with tavern for field hockey right my bigsport and isn't your daughter, a field hockey player yeas. She was. She was agoalie for four years of college and I've Yeah I've taken that stick in thatball and I can't tell you how many times I've tried to score on her andand I'm not very good at field hockey. Well, it was a great it's a new Engankind of sport right. So I was fortunate because I went toBoston College and I was before title nine. So they didn't. You know weplayed in e yeurold football basketball, but it's really. When the title line kidscame ovavs the the girls were really the Olympics. I think in either Atlantaor Barcelona when they were the title line, babies and they want everything.They went: Basketball and softball and soccer, and but when I was growing up, it was anunusual. You know for highschool to have a basketball, girls, basketball team. I know it sounds likethe eighteen hundreds right. Well, we talked to we also. We interviewed Christine Brennan nottoo long ago, and she was telling us that she played every sport. She PlayedSheas, Sik Sports, Shi, yes, and where was that outside of in Ohio, Yeah Yeahwre? Yes, I time to o Eyand Sally aayou...

...are the we save the best for last. It'slike the tryfucto it is it is. I mean we've had so many women on that havebeen barrier breakers that it just it's just some inspiring to hear yourstories and we are going to put this out in one week all three of you guystogether for the podcast, because we ont we want to create a buzz around.How important that you know. There's people out Hoe taling about breakingthe glass and you guys Idnn, you guys did it in Ha sport that no one everthought it would happen, and it's yeah well, actually, port! Youknow. Even for myself, I you Kno a always an first woman on an NBA Findal,first Ol Gen on a world series first onmen on the Pon for, but let me tellyou that Christman Sally they're just a little bit behind me, but we're allsisters, Uno the skin- and I remember Chris, I was accuser because she' sometoleto her optimism is ridiculous and you know it's like she swallow thelight bulb or something- and I remember I remember before the NFL Lockeros wereopen. She and I had a playoff game in giant stadium and now I'm writing forthe Boston Globe, she's running to the Washington Post and the big outlets.They expect the story Ho be covered, and so we asked to Ed Croak thelegendary P gi, the giants after the Game E, Sad okay, who do you guys wereas they would bring them out, and we said well, okay, we want Lt, wart tillSims and we're waiting and were waiting there for a forty minutes and we see atCrok coming down the tunnel. underneeth o the meadowlands and he's got some guyand Chris and I are like Sayng to each other- did that guy even pay dodoe do.We know who that is and e was like. The third string tight end O had nothing todo with the game, and I said Chris, you cannot try to make something positiveout of this. This is not good, but shes she's been a soldier and Sally evenChris and ie to say God sally. She can outwrite anybody except her dad right and it all three stories and wecan't wait to dig into Yoars a little bit more, but definitely Chris andSally their stories were amazing and you guys have just led the way for somany people. You know and yeah it well. It was a real fun here I startedone housand nine hundred and seventy four at the Boston Globe and the credentials my NFL predential to gocover game on the credential. It would say no women or children in the pressbox and which was pretty or there weren't,even women's bathrooms, back o Tayin in the pressbox right do no yeah. I tell people that it usedto be the Patriots. Woeld have the ball first in ten, an o twenty and I wouldhave to say, can I get down the press elevator and across the field to thepublic women's restrooms and come back before they punted and, as you guysknow, the patrots of the early s were not the gold standard that they are now,so they punted rather quickly R. You had to move rather fast. Yes, SteveGrante, like you say, O Yeah Right. No offense is seven GROGAM, but it wasn't it wasn't Tom Radi right right. No,they have they had that one year they jumped up so that it was when they had a terrible seventy six andthey got they played oakand in the wild card andMii as sitting the AFC championship and sugarbear Hamilton was called fo,roughing stabler, and it was just you like you guys- have some probably collsin Pittsburgh. Yeah course you do that Ar just legendar. That was like Boston,the only time to patrono sort of jumped up ha little and they felt they gotrobbed. So everyone talked about that for, like the next ten years, El Yeah,all these people think that that it's just happening to them right now,it's been going on for a long time in the NFL, and it's I to me, I'm not abig fan of replay, but it's just human air people do make mistakes, and youknow it looks like guy was in bounced but hewas actually out of boucs, andwhen you sowd things down so the game down, I think it takes away a lot fromthe experience of the game. We talkd a lot about that between Daviind baseballas well. You know where he got well Baseballis,just too slow now by the way, since I don't know when this ill run so I'better get it in now. Please note that the Boston Red Sox are still thedefending world champion, like that noted, yeah least for another. What month, Yeah...

Noi don't know he you'R Gon, but yeah,we might bebut it'snow her's, something for Dave. Are you married? I am marriedyes well, and this would be movie for yourdaughters, then, or your single girlfriends friends that you have. Ihave a rule. I have only one role and that is, you must never marry a man whodoesn't love baseball, because baseball is everything. It's math its strategy.It's history, it's patient and really everything you want in Ta Man. If youlove a, can you kine a teach, some of the pirates that are in the upper staff,maybe the general manager and that coach some of that stuff, because wewill seem to be doing very well. Math is not our strong to because we've beenlosing by multitention Bruns. I know it's really. You Know Pittsburgh. Youdon't usually have such a down scenario, but yeah it's yeah and I'm worried for baseball youngpeople. I don't see them inthe stand and how do you think they should speed upthe game? What would they do? I hate the replay in baseballpassionately. I really, I think one, but I don't think that's going anywhere.So it's otheyr trying to like speed up the mound visits and they're trying tospeed up different things, but it's just you know: WHATI! It's just get outthere and throw it like they're, so worried about pictures, hurting theirarms and players doing this and they got a strets and thros Om it. I mean itjust obviously with commercials and the waythe television work you have to put some of that stuff in, but three and ahalf hour game for our game. I think the pirates played one of those fivehours the other night. I mean you look yeah. If you look at box wors from theS and es and S it's the Gametimes like two eleven like I don't know what itsJay, but it's horrible. I think well, batters didn't use to step out Obatters box either that that's that takes up. You know just picture in yourmind: Nomo Garsi Apar, you know for like thirt minutes wrapping his wrist band around but yeah. I just amentid because even Istarted covering the world series Yo know back in. I actually met myformer husband, Dick stocton loved Pittsburgh. He worked here to me yeah, he started a Ktka and we met atat the sixth game of the seventy five world series. When cout Dick calledCarlton Fisk Siconacoman is it says, Parehomron, and that was the night thatI met him and so for the rest of our lives know people would always seeDickens ad to Gav, Farhol UN and I dud say yes and that's the night we met, but he he love, he loved Pittsburghmatter of fact. This had to be. I've been remarried forabout ten years, but maybe this was about fifteen years ago, when Mr Rooneywas the ambassador to Ireland, gays. Remember that and he invited us and wewent to Dublin to stay with the runins when he was the ambassadors, and youknow, as you guys know he's just just everything about Pittsburgh. Is Theroonies and I don't know Itas really privilege to no one now you wouldpittsburgh has changed a lot of prisens last time. You're here I mean the foodis wonderful, the city's clean and friendly, and we David Id both justreally love Beng, a part of the city there's less than there yoused to bedefinitely right. Yeah, no. Last like what now go back to the home run, callby your former husband. What if that have been a Foun all? Do you thinkthings may have turned out differently for you and Dick Arfulca, because you know it was itreally did Hu, the foul pole rin there, but it was you know and and for me Im sure, maybe guess when you workthings now and you have to be careful because I did go on. I covered that you knowall those other red sox world series and that's the only team. I'v Really.You know crazy, like childhood, crazy, for you know, D, although it was sunny whenDick and I got married bill, Russell and red our back. All these people cameto our wedding and nobody cared right that Dick and Leslie were gettingmarried. It was like, Oh, my God, there's the rel igh a right. Buti gotremarried and I met my nowhusband at the Kentucky Derby Trough Rick Potino,so sports is a good vending to meet people right yeah. I saw your interviewwith Rick Petinos, pretty good. You know Ityeah, it was. How was thatinterviewng because he's been through some tough times in his career...

...yeah? He really he's really amanonedSol the Tomwolf Book. He is I've known him since I was his beatwriter at BostonUniversity, which was his first head coaching job and I was twenty one andhe was twenty two and we always laughed that I wouldn't have gotten that beat if I'd been lestly viser then-and he wouldn't have gotten that job if he were Rick Bakino. So I've coveredall seven of his final SFORS and I lik he just tecks it Wen he's in I south ofFrance right now with his family but yeah. He really. He was cleared of the charges of thebribary with bone. Who you know- and you know that's the way it goes now. IsThe speecet company goes right to the family. They don' even bother the coachright, so he was not. It was found in thesouthern district of New York. He was clear to that, but by Dan. Rememberthat followed the stripper scandal, which also he did not know that hisassistant was bringing stippers into the hall. But, as I said, what on Buckstops with me, I lost my job for right, right, yeah that had to be difficult,forhim, going through all that, let's yee, you don't have to tell meabout basketball scandals, I' Mi. You Va Grad Ar University Arizona andSowe're still waiting otreat on that. So we're the Hammeris going to fall at somepoint, but it's Goinna yeah. What do you think that it's coming up forKansas and ansis and then yeah and sounds like there's, some verysignificant charges there and really arizonas kind of in the same boat,though also so I don't know it's could be. What d you we're just hoping it's,not that the death death enily the fate of smu or or something, but I don'tknow we'll see, but it's it's makes it kind of easy remember. I remember I've covered if you couldbelieve this. I've covered thirty, seven final fors and thirty six superbowls, but I remember the one: What was the year that you want d at Ariphona,Andoinninety, seven, ninety seven Enan! I remember thinkingtat, that's how America should look member. All the players were kind of ablend of black and white Hispanic Number Bibby, and you had all thoseguys that- and I thought Gosh. This is how this is, how IMEORCA will willprobably look in a hundred years and should look and it wasn't great forRudosn it was yeah and it was such a you're totally right about the rosterthere, because hey get ig bramlet. Who Was Hispanic and Benett Davidson? Who,I believe also was- and it was you know, T it was. It was a great moment whenthey don't know if you remember when they messed up lots, hair up on thepodium yeah yeah, because that was that's something you just didn't touchas a as anybody. Even you know, I don't think the president could get away withtouching lootes hair and I the kids massed it up, but yeah it was yeah.That was a great time. That's probably the one only time he'd, let that happen,yeah right so Lestlie, we kind of talked aboutyour high school and you're at Selfhaviley. Is that right, BecausItyeah, just we'd moved from Ohio, it's western Massachusetts and it's whereit's a very prestigious college area Mount Holyok is in is me: Monjoliok isin Southhadle, and that's also where Amertis University of MassachusettsMith College. So either you were a farmer's kid or a professor's kids, butit was quite a time on Tand, nine Huneen N. I was in high Scho in onethousand nine hundred and sixty nine, and they would let us off for like civil rights marches in Washington, forequal rights, merces peace marches, so the very exciting time to be in apolitically aware community and also actually out there. We didn't get thePatriots Games. We got the giant because the patrots, you know old, afll,thit people really didn't. But I went to my first NSL game ever in onethousand, nine hundred and sixty four and it was in Samly Park, the Boston patrots playedin Semwher, they reconfigured it and it was the old afl ball. You know thatStripe Ball right and it was, it was the raiders, a Cuttin DavidsonAgainst Babe Perelli was the Boston Patriot guy and it was like. The schoolwas like fifty to fifty. It was ridiculous. OIT was fun, thow highscoring for yeah back then Dou wouldn ye wouldn't think that and the and thenhow did you end up at Boston College? Oh, I A my dad worked for STANSORD andwasn't getting in there, which is nice of him to tell me, don't even bother...

...you're supposed to Hav some poldead. Well, you know, and he he was my dad-wasn't really that much a part of my life. He, as I said he grown up in inAmstergam, and he wasn't Jewish, but he like everybody. They were under theNazi occupation for until they were liberated in forty five and they allhit people my dad weret to the same Monessour school as Anne Frank, but heknew nothing about American sports and Samy got him out and he didn't comehere to college and you know nothing like the bar speedskaters. You know and Holland, a winter port people, but a o seem talking. Ishouldn't say that and soccer you K o. They were in finalce of WO Cup a coupleyears ago, but he eteen football, basketball or baseball, and I remember that it would be my mom thatthat she- and I would talk about it and when I started covering the NFL and theBig East and all that she she was much more of a sports fan and they really didn't. I don't. My momwent to a small college first inher family to go to college, so nobodyreally knew what was kind of going on about pollege and I just picked BostonCollege because they had a football team which you guys are kind of. You experiencethis, although you had pits, but how many teams do you think college football teams had sustainedexcellence in a pro town, it'snot easy to do? No, I'm guessingfew I trying to there's football team and a college team like there's. NotMany notgn make that yeah yeah the only to the only two thatI can think of were Miami. You know under all those coaches, they had younow snow and Burgeran Joy, Johnson Ericson, so they actually had a sustainexeence and the other UST. But those are the only two I can think of so Iwanted t fotball Bos in college. You know: Okay, we still live on Douglaflut, right, yeah, yeah, but but not much, but I justwanted a big campus kind of atmosphere and since I hadn't grown up withcollege football, really I didn't think in the South Bor which, to my point, all those greatschools right aren't Protono consant that rude even thoug te game is notChicago by the way. Why do you go to Telsa? I don't even know this yeah.Well, I went to Talsi was recruited there by tolsa coaches that came toPittsburgh and saw me at a Joe Butler Metro Index football camp and then that's where I started gettingrecruited. I was recruited by them and Louisville coach Nelenberger was atLouvillet the time Kansas State, which I wasn't going there I was like threeplane rides. I wasn't doing that a lot of transfers, yeah, Lotof, Trat andthen temple. So I love coach Raider at Tulsa after meeting him and just made adecision to go to Tulsa t they threw the ball lot and that's what I wanteyeah, I'm Gointa Thay. You must have loved that yeah. I ran the wing te in high school, so Inever threw it yeah and going there my first probably my whole career in highschool. I didn't throw it as much as I threw it my first game at Tulsa, so youknow I think I threw itit forty five times at my first came at also, so itwas a great experience for me. I actually graduated with twelve peoplefrom western Pennsylvania that played on a football team with me, so theyrecruited the area. I felt like home a little bit so made it a lot easier tobe a thousand miles away from where I grew up. That was a bountiful harvest.At that can't be said, a lot of players out of is tos where the Cowboy Hollfamman, no, I don't know that's been. I might be Talso, but I remember thefirst time. I've really done the NFL now for almost forty years, but for afew years there I did college football and so one time that's when Oklahoma,you know, as so huge and so Oklahoma was playing at Oklahoma state and Iswear to God. In my mind, the pictures are black and white kind. It was like,like people would wave on the highway like they were Bote yeah, I remembergetting. I got to still water Al Right. I cover the game and then years later Isaid to Jimmy Johnson. Why didn't you tell me you were going to be JimmyJohnson? I barely said hello to the guy right right, yeah yeah, I mean what a place that was, Imean the Oklahoma State and then Oklahoma. Wegot to play both of them and Arkasaw as well, so it was aca really goodexperience for myself. I didn't realize...

...never really thought about how I wasgoing to play in the NFL. For that long. I just was, you know, happy to be goingwherever I was going next and just knose to the grind sone. My Dad was amildle guy and just worked as hard as I could no matter what I did and it endup working out. Okay for me, so Leslie Wel, I'm sorry were you writer for theSchool Paper, Boston College, Yes, and we have to go back to go FordI', had the privilege of being the only woman ever to present the Embarditrophy and unfortunately it was to the redskins when they beat Mith with thebills. Oh Yeah, that's Ri, that's right! Tright yeah, he was Mitch was Mitch, was a greatplayer and he had a lot of fun. He was, he was a little Qirky and little messedup, but I think a lot of football players are, but you know I saw youpresenting that and actually got to see some old. You know there's trying tocastle out there and Joe Gabs and Mark Rippin, and Mr Cook, who know, bringsback a lot of memories when, when you'd have to go see Mr Cookin's office, healways had a word for you. What does this word mean because I don't know ifyou know this, but he started his caere off by selling dictionaries hm and no, I was encyclopedia Birnio Yessomped, O he abat one in his office and Hevn. Ask you question like when youcome in, he said open the page. What's this word mean and you'd be like Idon't know you know, but he kind of that was his ice breaker. I guess. Well, I think that's clever e I hadthat was particularly difficult for me on a lot of for a lot of reasons in the production meeting. You know youhave me n for never to put on a super bowl. It's almost like a team. It's athird team. There I mean you have mines of production meetings and youhave the pregame the game e Postka. So we're going true everything. This islike three days before the game: every minute is a counted Toring, a like youguys. Now you got to go commercial, do this right so back to the post game and the two guys who ran CBS then were NeilTilson and Ted Shaker and so that weget to the postgame, his okay, we'll bethis in this and Lestlie 's going to handle the championship from bardypresentation and everybody's mouth, including mind, fell open, I mean therewas Ti Reso, ther, WS, pen, Mussburger right and it was WOC and wow was who made that decision. Those two guys, on wit AR chairman ArPresident Sports and Yo Pilson and the other was Tet Shaker. Who was ourexecutive producer for all the sports? You know the final flooy that wereseriously Lupex, but I so now here I am, I mean I wasstaggeringy nervous. I wasn't that old and coerce thing was that Jack can cooktook. You know you never give up the microphone right, a of course gohhe newell, so he took the microphone and he starts going in about that. How E otheSeccanica, how young the form? The Christ was building and Al everyoneheard sho guys know goes to like a hundred eight million people around theworld and all people heard was Bob Stenner or producer screaming gestingEFI mithere's a lesson learned. I guess you're always growing learningsomething right, don't give up thebut. I Di Start Writing at Boston Collegematter. Of fact, this is the hundredth year of the paper. So next week I'mgoing up to speak, it's the centennial for our college paper and the weirdthing is, I think, sometimes in college you don'tknow you're ever going to see those people again, but the sports editor waslike Lupica, I know and he was fearless and he wasbrilliant, like for the college paper Mike Rusica would like write a calumtelling Yostrenki to retiree, not yeah, but wel. That's great, so you're going to see a lot of peoplethat you probably you know, learned a lot from scene, a lot from ifyou go back and those experiences are always great when you can go back and someplace where it all began for you.So was the Boston Globe. You First Your First Journalism job out of college yeah that was crazy. I've sort of had acareer where I only started at the top, because in my sophomore year at BC Iapplied for a Carnegie Foundation, Grand Thank you Antor conedy, and itwas open to twenty women all across...

America who wanted to go into jobs thatwere ninety five percent nail, which HEU wouldn't think in Ninetuneren.Seventy four, but they were all all jobs, were o know basically white men,and I won one of these, like a woman from Michigan that for archaeology, awoman from Jontakins got it for Opsomology, and I got it because I'vewanted to be a sports writer. So the deal was that the Cardegie Corporationwould pay the stiten. You could work wherever you wanted and they would payfor t his just a billiant foundation grant and the Glo always was voted thenumber one in in EARCA. In fact, we got voted the best of all time by sportsillustrated and it was. It was an insane privilege. I mean every singleguy was the best at his position. It was Peter Gammon on baseball, Bud, tonson tennis, Bob Ryan, on basketball, wilman, Donna on football and so nax se,when CBS first came Dowf from your job, I was like. Why would I leave the glode that was a Dream Team Youre on there and I got to do it all I'd go toWimbledon with bud I'd go to the world series of Peter. I go to the NBA finalbond. I did all you know, Mattr of fact where I became the first woment tocover the NFL witpet. It was Wowitdenner who called the ten owner of the Patriots, Billy Sullivan, and hesaid we're going to have a woman on the beat and that's that well now, do youfeel, like your your colleagues when you start at the at the globe, wereready and willing and very accepting of you or did you have to still kind of kind of deal with a lot of a lot ofthings that we know that, as as far as O, an unequality goes, I felt like, and I mean I was careful.I didn't take the floor if you fre Boston, your fron ther're funny people,and these guys would te best. You know at it and there's no google, then noresearch, they knew it because they saw it. And so I was really careful to aska lot of questions to listen, but I mean I could write and I did know thesports and I just got great assignments. The grobesent me to sit outside markets to Pres House andChiloelphian Mississippi for three days waiting for him. I did a TA, really big,big takeout stories and, and then I did. I was a beat writer like for BusUniversity for the Patriots that my difficulty came with the players and coaches they and not the black players. Iironically, I'm still friend with them to this day,but the black players were great to me because they said they knew what it waslike to be the only one and so people you probabl. Maybe wouldn't rememberthese thines. U, like Tony mcgey and sugarbear Himilton. They would have meI gover to their house and they would run those old film, Yea Weel, the wheel. It was Yahaikeokay, the patrots aregoing from three four to four three and okay. Do you recognize it? Do yourecognize it which I didn't have that experience again until I took JohnMadden fuss with them for years, because I did a lot of thimaginsummerall gamesand John, like wed, be riding through utar some place on ourway, O the forty niners and he would put up your stupid countertray amillion f times right and if I didn't get exactly what the Redkin ofsenseiveline was doing, he would yell Wat me like. I was a player, no we're going torun it again, againa. Where was past summer all when he was doing this he'she'se Fla Hes Flying Yeyeahitwa, fun, wl San, you know he's so origial sointeresting and we would stop like he saw a high school game, a baseball gameunder the light or e he saw you know anything going on. We would just stopand go sit in the bleachers, which of course, Beca. You know the John Madden.We think he was one of the Beatles, but he was really very, very ipson veryinteresting well that period of time, when you're at the globe is that aboutwhen the point shaving seen, scam, pl BC was happening, Boston, College Ou for football- It was a little bit. You know it wasfooty and we always Busin Colg, as you guys coming o alyto great offensivewinemen. They were very successful. With that I mean I do have to say this. I hope people can come along for theride here. They know e long enough, but when I first moved to Florida...

...and I'm married to God Bob Co now Ican't wait to me, but he was a former captain of Harvard basketball so, but he wanted to move down here. Welive north of Miami now and why, when I came down here- and I would turn on thegame to watch Boston College and I'd be looking at he looking at O. Oh my God,I can't e look at the speed we got, but I can't believe we that players likethis and t e. You know I would scrool and were the same colors as Floridastate yeah, yeah, F notoously for having fast fastplayers. That's for sure, that's for sure so you've gone through. You know growing up and going gettinginto now professional reporting and all that what were someof the things you learned from sports when you were growing up watching andplaying that you took with you that you think a're valuable for people tounderstand. I can't believe: Didn't you use to be.On the other side, when I was asking you quet Ioa, exactly no, I get task eclass. There are few things number one. It wasa great bill, Bradley the senator from Sersan, of course, at New York Nick,and he had something I carried with me always and that is he said that a lockof room is the ultimate laboratory, and that is so true. You know I mean justhis own team. He was from upper middle clan. Middle Class onMissouri gave the Busher was the son of a saloon owner. You know, Earl, thePearl and Willi Lee. They had completely different backgrounds andyet- and you notice to that a lockef room's, pretty color blind. I was really nat aware that they wentto the celebration for Nikponacoty whe. Youprobably saw died few weeks ago and one of his doctors was an African American one of hiseurologist Cius. You know for his brain and his commension and I really don'tknow of many people who have not experienced that kind of locker roolthing who would hire an African American neurologist, and Ireally I need a note of it. But that's how great sports is that you, you knowwho's good. You know who's not pulling his weight and it's immaterial forcolor background. You know who they voted for you don't care, and so, andthe other thing I really took with me was the great Derigan cage is one of myidols also and for your listeners, who maybe don'tknow Billy Gen, one twenty Wimbledon titles, doubls mixeddoubls and simple, of course- and this maybe Chris talked o you about it,because she knew a book. This Eli Jean would always say to people when anyonewould anser o you what, if it like to be always in the Wimbledon final andteagine, would say she would change her brain with one sentence she would say:Are you kidding? Pressure is a privilege right, yeah and an some people can't handle it. You know,and it if you understand it, if you change your expectations to a differentreality, will come of it right so pressure. You can either say I can'thandle it or I'm going to do better under pressure, because I know it's mymoment and I think the people don' necessarily see it that way. Yeah it's a hundred percent. If peoplecan embrace their moment the pressure and look very, very few people everhave the kind of pressure that you faced every week. They just don't. Theydon't have a job in public where they have to be mentally and physically soprepared. But in anything you do and the other thing I started doing when Iwas very young as a globe, and I really still try to do it to this day.I try to make. I didn't care how big or small the assignment was on I'll. Tellyou really embarrassing stories. You want to hear an Hafter this S, but Ididn't care. I didn't care how big or small I tried to make every APP that aquality at that right. That's was really my philosophy about it. Well, Ithink, that's that's why, when you see sports- and you see, teams that getbeat by somebody who's, supposedly not as good as them, becausethey're not making every at TAT quality at that they're just taking it for GranBan, they should win and right right now we see that in every sport, likeyou, you know, I think Serena ran into that a couple times where she was thegreatest of all time, but somebody was...

...younger and hungrier and it was suckingto e. well, I see see that in golf of Tiger Woods right at one point it wasno matter who played against them. That was tiger. Woods are playing againstand it didn't matter if he was hitting the ball perfect. That day it was just.They were playning its tiger woods. They were nervous. You know it just,but now so many people have come since he kind of went down hill, they stillget nervous when they play tack. Is I don't think it's the same? You knowyeah that that intimidation factor fell off a little bit and you have to Brefearly, but it took a couple of generations. You know these youngerplayers, ow no they're fearless, but you're right. I think his ora workedfor him. I mean wasn't trying to defend MichaelJordan. Now he's somebody I think who every at that was the quality of that,except for when he wasin baseball right, yeah, no Funinto, but you know what hewas. He was a decent baseball like hey. We want to hear the embarrassing story.Lesslie yeah. I was hoping Yo move past thatokay, now pretty typical when people start in sports writing they often their firstkind of eat is high school football, which is actually great because youhave to keep all this taff yourself, but I of fourse had the smallestdivision in Boston. All my schools had to mens Actin Boxborough, Lincolnsebrary. They were all the big school blockton. I didn't get thoseDanchaunesy Wud get thoe of Kevin dupon, so I had all these small schools andone of them was. I always had the Nantucket Martha's Vineyard Game, whichmeant that you now know no cell phone, no Nhe Way to send anything. You hadHaid to take the Farry over to Martha's Liliard cover the game, so I've got youknow my umbrella and one hand and my no pad in the other running up and downthe sideline, keeping all the stafs myself, and this is going to beimpossible for you guys to even envision, but when your first, whenyour first covering football, not watching it at home, you know how youget up to the fifty. We got to do tit, maw yeah, you know cross was over, butokay, so now it's wonits pouring rain, and so what? If I give the kid another?Twenty yards right, ars reallyinin in the Sunday Boston Globe. I think mostpeople wanted to read about the Patriots Efceltics Than Red Sox, theBruins and probably not division for High School Football. Okay. So I canthis Kis about two weeks later. There's a phonecalled the Boston Grob they Sai Lesslie, there's a phone call for you and lieComo going to say hi lessle this her and I heare Letssie this coach Pal Bra Aladama and I said ayes coach. I see you got a young man up there, Russing for four hundred andfifty yards a game, and I wonder in should I cont take alook at this young man ar I coach coach. I really don't thinkthe Siserman son, you know who foit nothing e, that's funny, that's a good one! So howdid you break it to them say you can come up and we can get some lobsterrols coach, but I don't necessarily think you want to recruit this kid well, it was funny because years laterI was the first woman ever inbears locker room, and it was the last game.It was the last iron goal: overn Alabamaa Nember bow over the top, soyeah, yeah and Soyo Know Bar was not well and going on to retirement,and so he said at the after the game downthere he said: Well, there might be an undressed boy in there, but I don'tgive a blink oaarani that we're notceck can't do that now, right, right, yeah,well, somebody's gonna take a picture definitely now, but so what was it like for you? You've hadan amazing career you've been with tons of different UFCBS, ABC ESPN. You beenwith all these all these groups reported on many many different sportsand at the top of of every sport theyre championships, and then you get tocarry the Olympic torch. What was that like for you h matter fact on when Rictotinar was inGreece? I talked to him about it because I gotto carry it for the Games that were back in Athens. You know, which is beena hundred years or whateverdo it her, and the interesting thing about thetorch is that it isn't the torch that goes around theworld, it's the flame, so they even...

...have an Olympic plane because of coursehas to go between the ocean ightand what they want- and I remember they- they sent you adocument that has twenty three pages, that you will not in any way alter the the tshirt and you have to wear whiteshorts, but they don't care about that. But the TSHIRT has the Olympic logo,which was the Garland that had been in ancient Greece. You know the firstOlympics were in Olympia, Greece in S, Eseventeeen, seventy SIXPC G, so theyon the TSHIRT. They had that Garland, and so you run for maybe a quarter of amile and you somebody runs up to O. it's almost like a relay and they kindof come near you with the flame and you reach your torch back to light theflame. And then you pass the flame on to the next person. Did you get to keep the TORCHR they do they? Let me have the torth andmy husband got a frame to me the torch and the shirt yeah. It was really you know when you think about something:That's just a thousand years old and it's it's a tremendous to Menis,tremendous honor and yeah. Thank you for Mensing it, because one of the other really great stories Igot to Di, because my dad had grown up in in Heamsterdam under the Germanbrute was signiescently as part of the team to cover the fall of the GlowinWall, which was just astonishing and my little slice of the Pie. Orsetaing. Rather you know other guys that all the big stories, but my sice of thePie, was howward sports in East Germany change because remember: Katerina Vit,Yeah Yeah Catiis. Well, she was you o. She was the face of socialism and the East Germans. They hadn't wone many boldmetals and the Olympics before that, and then all of a sudden they wontwenty two of them or something t whatever for a very small country, andso because that it was the doping thet under those Stasi. The Secret PoliceYoung Athletes Wore identified, and then they were doped and so andactually don't see now many Olympians coming from what was East Germany. Sothat was really amazing. You know it was after Reagan, it said so the chopstear down this wall and yeah. I was really really something todo that. So I always tell people sports is the greatest passport yeah. Iremember the ET watching the East Germans in the early s and t s in theOlympics. It was kind of a sight of the whole. You surewhat you're watching right right you were. There was yea yeah. It wasinteresting body types for sure I used to tell People Wen ni say to youknow. I don't remember that, and I say yes, you do remember. The womenswimmers had beards Righ, yeah th it mad yeah, it'SSO,interesting televison floating down in the water, but they still wan yeah.They said their whiskers still did so, let's Le You're in the pro football offame, I am Tollmeik that that it's you're thefirst feetmail I believe right. I was then for twelve years. They justtwo more got in last year, but yeah, two thousand and six. My class wastriacman Freggie white who had passed away by them, but Harry Carson and JohnMadden and John wrote me a note which I really cherish. He brought mehindwritten out but said the hall of SFAME. You can't be born into it. Youcan't buy your way into it. You have to earn it Wel. You did. You definitely heard who?Who is your presenter crazy? Al Michael? I love it my Lov, but you know I was teSknow. What was the overander on the HOLLOF same game? Whatever it was a? Itwas just crazy, but yeah he it was. It was something that it took me reallya while to own it. You know it was Itwas, just really ouas too much. Forme I was just a kid. My family didn't come from money. My father was fromanother country, so it it took me a while to kind of say wow. I guess I did comethat yeah yeah. Well, I mean you've done more than then I could ever imagine doing I meanyour career is remarkable and you've broken more barriers. You know andthere's so many girls that look up to you, because you've done things thatthat have opened doors for so many...

...women in this country. It's amazing you,an Chrutiand Sally. If just I mean the story to me, is remarkable when it'sone that I hope my daughter listens to over and over. Well, I thank you for that. I do. I dounderstand now that, because now for decades, I've heard fomyounger women, but I always make the point that, just like you had anoffensive ine, you don't get there by yourself. No, you don't don't land onnormalty by yourself. You know get to the end sout by yourself and I had. Iwas never hired by a woman, because I was always the first but great man,great men who gave me a chance who believed in me, and you know, people who, who it wouldn't have happened. It wouldnot have happened without the vision of some of these men to say and a at theBoston Globe at CBS ABC made me the first woman on Monday night football.So I really have an enormous. He serherdmy list of people to think at thebut, yeah Ess it. The class right behind me,was Chris Bennon and Sally Jenkins andJackie mcmolan. There were some really great ones right right behind me, so itwasn't just like I opened the door and then nobody went to right yeah theykeep coming. They keep coming. THAT'S FOR SURE I'LL! Tell you what's funny!Is that you have. You said you have one of my babble heads what I'm going to Icollect card, so I want to I'm going to go out and look for the Leslie Visser. I think you have a trading card outthere from NBA made of you and I'm going to have to find, and I I have anNFL one which looks ridiculous but you'll get. They asked me to saysomething on the back of it. So they made me wear the stupid fringe leatherjacket. I look at a cowboy your leader, I mean her. I am right the first Omanto cover the NFL and on the back, though I said that something about youknow, there's nothing better than being loking a cold like a Lampbo F course. Three rivers at the time it'ssomething cold and you feel the winds, whipping and feel the game and see thegame and in my mind I would always hear the voice of John Facenda right yeah. That's I think that does well. Ithink your babble head goes for more than my NFL. I don't know David. Ilooked it up on Ebay. It was a seventy BOC, yeah Leslie Buster NBA Yea. Evenyes, it was we juststarted. It was just the very first conversation I ever had.The ten coach of the Patriots was check: Fair Banks, that's Waal Yeah ground,shoe Kavin groundchateand. He think e, coasted, Oklahoma or somewhere. Didn'the atr ams alsortyeah yeah, but he no veryfirst question: I'm not nervous enough. I I got the credential says no won orTildren, and I wok T ask a question you about one of his offensive linebackersand the first thing he ever said to me was wow. You know you ought to go tolunch with my daughter, you're about the same age. I was mortified, I wawell IANI can justsee the steam building up because he's I saying that to you. It's like okay.How do I come back from that one? Well, you know what it was and your daughters, I think, they'llexperience this to or actually any young person, and even for you Y, youwere you're, really a good athlete, you're, a good quarterback and thenyou're fi in college, and then your good in a pros. But nobody teaches youa class ind humiliation it right. That's when to come out of nowhere andwack you wer yeah. I had a major class in that. If you remember from what Iplayed for the Redskins I do, I don't think that anybody's been morehumiliated than I have been. So I definitely get it and been humble it'.Stilie see it like round Christmas. That E as PN oftop ten well, my Sonytakes me say: Hey Dad, you're on ESTN. Again, I'm like Oh great, I said youguys will be niney years old, inll still be playing, I'P, be making thetop ten its notthin. Ninety nine yoarder to Randy Mo no, no o anythingelse, IDO! It's just that avid! You know I did it. Yo Live with Ityeah one of misignd forever CBS used to playit at every seminar. The first assignment I had for subs when I leftthe GROBE was the US Open tennis, and this was when the USOpen tennis washuge. You know it was Chris and Martina conners and mackweon board, and so myfirst first Tom I was on the air. I'M...

NOT! I look like I had reamortes, Icovered ten US opens and ten Wimblerons for the globe, but I knew nothing abouttelevision, nothing so now brant musburger there was the player HimanLikaba, who was FOM PRAG and Frencosel. Let's go to lessle tisserses with HonaMan Likava, so Hana did I gen through with my first time on TV. Yes, Oh good did I mention that Hana wasfrom prod with a very thick accent: Oe sounding good somethings Trou in ere.Okay- and this was you- know, Network television right when tennis was bag inthe openas bat an CBS s big, so she had a great simmer. She went from fiftyfifth in the world up to like Sith at this US Open. So I say to her Hah to what do you attribute your suddenrise in the rankings and Harnas says? Well, I think it is my new couch, so I ta okayein better something ightrightnework television. I say to her: Oh did you get some new furniture andshe looks at me like? I am from what kind of Questionis that Riu imaginyourself getting that question. So she inat me and she says, don't be ridiculous. billyting KingMynew, coach, Unya Iso- that that's is that what theyuse to teach all the the people that are going to be on TV. They bring Yot your episode up, don't want to cribbut brant's head hitsthe table. Everthing towering yeah know it was just really just so because shelooked at me like who would ask somebody: Did you get SOM o? First,that's R, that's pretty funny did Tho that it's pretty good. That is reallygood. So one of the last things that we do, we appreciate you spend so muchtime with us. Is We do a little segment called nohuddle where we blast a bunch of questions at you and and try to get getyou to answer them quickly. So Dave Alway starts to stay once you start,let's Noo, okay, let'sle! If you were commissioner for the day for a day ofany of the major sports, what rule change would you make? I would be does running the NCAA count,thati TA, yeah, that'll work AMI would change the that athletes to be able toown their own likeness that it's the it's the Olympic model.You know it shouldn't be that Dian Willanton sold a Zillion t shirts forDuke, but he didn't get I sent so that would be mine. I like that. It's a goodone. I like that. But then you look at all what do you think of the peoplethat aren't as big as I on right? So just basically they're, not you know,I'm saying they're putting as much work and effort in they're just not gettingthe notoriety. How do you feel about that? Well, I remember when all thequarterbacks guy named Frank Bruno, you probably now Guss Tik wonow took thequarterbacks out to have their own kind of company. These were NFL guys,but it was sort of the same thing for Marino and te non and Montena andboomer that, like t e, the third third streamdefensive back would be getting the same cut of their tshirt. So I believethat in college, that's how it should be that if you'reworking really hard- but you know maybe the World Bork- doesn't ask you to comedown and give a little talk. Well, then that should be money that Zion hasearned and it doesn't hurt the other players they have their calshipan.Maybe they can get some appearance somewhere, but I think that's theanswer to the dilemma. Right ecause at the quarterback club is that Wa yeaheah that's right, yeah. I was one of the low men on the Totel Pole thatnever saw you're in the club that I was in the club and didn't get much from itwell. Making the club, though, is it beawhat. Is your favorite sports movie ooh Go. I remember I tried to I try to memorize, Annie speech, you anes really the senter that I mean it is hilarious when what's his name, whoplayed Arlis goes out to the mound to pretend he's yelling and he sayscandlesix can SI s a good to wat, but it's really Wen Annie. You O. I workedup at the Temple of baseball that a baseball has the same amount ofstitches as e rosary, an yeah it just. I love looking. That's it's a greatgreat movie Leslie. What's your biggest...

...pet peeve, my own impatience, it's my ownimpatience like. Why is it taking forty five minutes y? We all have to flyevery week to get through when everybody else's that they're justdoing it going along and I'm thinking somehow, because I have Catholic guiltsomehow I must have done something wrong. A that's why this line is fortyfive minutes right right, yeah! No, I hate that my mom, my mom, lovesCatholic guilt. I get it. I just talked to her this morning and I just I don'tknow I e so guilty after every time. I talk to her. You know so fine SOS. Ihave to talk to your mom. Why does your mom Stopor, whatever you S, family name,that was my Gad Yeah Gustip? Was My dad's name and his dad's name and wecame from Belgium, our family yeah? I sort of I sort ofrecognize a little bit F that because Hollan is right next to Belgium, andthat is a that's a Dutch Nane to, but I didn't think isn't: Frat French, FrenchBeldum Yep, that's what we are, but we're really a mut. I mean my my mom'sdad was. He was Irish and German, and I mean we were have a little bit ofeverything in our family history. You know what Lik this is a cuestion okay hfor you, a question for you, Davind t en you can get back to Pesen, okay,which do you think, took people longer to spell Ferrat or scaseky. Oh Wow. Iwas going to throw far in there also, but I still I've known best twenty fiveyears and there's a couple times. I still have to second best, my spellingof his last name so Shishevsky. I think wellit's, probablyabout a fifty five forty five Shusheski over fro. Well, they welt in like in Pittsburgh. Theywould show spell Sheshevski way easier than than Ferot, because anything thatends in ski. They know how to spell ov Trit a lot of practice. Yerdid. Youguys ever hear that story. When Brett was, I guess, when a few days he was inclass or maybe e was hi. First College class and they're going to the people in the class. Taking names- andthey say is- is Bethhi's first name ors. He haveanother first se. No, I'm not sure whatever it Waso. Idon't know if you have firswod fersin like ed or something but whatever itwas. They said: okay, a rasion hand. If you're here, Brett, savre and Brechassat there right did he raise his handwel Mi. I might actually be theonly player in probal history that they spelled my name wrong in like Jersey, oh, oh, that's, bad yeah and we're inHawaii. It's not like you're getting the Jnew Jersey, stitchd the day of thegame. That's the only time I saw the jersey, and so it's like all right.Well, I got ta go out and play in the Jersey. It's pelled, my name wrolg justhappy to be there just hapy to be a eagain, but you know that's week that theyprobably spelled Meto zact correctly and pot yeah right right and Favri. wasthere as well it appen YSO. What do you think the most overhype thing is insports today, some of the fantasy picks. I think theyjust go off the week before I've done this myself, and then that does notmean that the next week that guy and then you get mad at theguy. Like I remember I had I had Radatian Tomansond, I had thefirst pick of the whole draft and then Keter got hurt or terrible few weeks, and so I didn'twant to talk to him. So CBS would send me out there to a game, but I don'twant to talk to Edaniin Tim with them, so I think people people are notmeasured, I'm talking about average people, youknow who do fantasy, not the experts, but I think they shouldn't justautomatically go hype all because of the week before right. I agree withthat. Okay Leslie, if you could be anyone else in the world for a day, whowould that be it Coul, be an athlete. It can be a world leader could beanybody for a day. Oh, I would want to open my mouth andhave beyanes voice come out of it. Is that too much to ask yeah? That soundsreason. It also be able to dance like her to. I think both of those would begreat because I kin Danyea, I can't do either woothose your Guywho are yours.

I was there's a few. I would go back intime. I think Mickey Mantel in the primiers. That would be a good one tobe yeah. You said make I say I say I'd love to go back and be like Bab ruthlike that, would just be what kind of time is I like? What did he do when hewasn't on the field? What did they burth do beg ruth left,the red sox and no one ever heard of him again all right now? If you could go back andtell young Leslie Visser, one thing: What would that be? I actually would slip that that I didtell myself something that I really have used for four decades,but I don't use it often enough, but when I started out I I knew that humor would be a greatdefault mechanism for me, because humor can deescalate a situation like youknow. F players were giving Ye the Yo baby o baby. I would I would just say to them now: YourMother didn't teach you to talk like that. You know what no one Waltd toembarrass his mother, so we'd laugh and move on. So it actually was advice that I gavemyself young. I didn't Nowis is it. You know. I had time that I would be really for all kinds ofreasons frustrated at something, and I would forget that, but that's I think,humor has really worked for me and if people can somehow get their head tothat place, I think it works in a lot of situations. I agree. I agree withthat ICAY last one, if youwere going to chisel a Mount Rushmore of sportsbroadcasting, who would be on that? Oh Gosh, ob Castis, I work with so many of these great ones.John Madden ewas, only four, so these last to weall know the importance of health insurance, but it's not always easy toafford. That's why there's covered California, we are the only place. YhoCan get financial help to pay for your health insurance, and this here there'smore financial help available than ever before. So, even if you haven'tqualified in the past be sure to check and see how much you coun say ourexparts can help find the best plan for you. So click the banner or visitcoverd Tacom to get started cover. California, it's life care to becovered by January. First en roll by December Fifteenh. I know yeah atwhy I'd have to say Il Michael's. I did aworld series of them Monday night triple crown and he never leaves thebroadcast hanging is just a genius at it ad, the fourth ones always so hard. Let's see, I guess the obvious one. I guess Te. Iguess it would have to be been scully yeah. It's a nice line up yeah, it's apretty good line up I'! LISTEN TO THAT GAME! I'm sorry! I did I'm sorry I didn't say:Myron Cope. You should say yourself. You should beon there as well, because iyou've done some amazingthings and I dooper that yeah yeah. Thank you for spending so much timewith us and we really appreciate it and you know, will let you know when thiscomes out, but it should be soon. Okay, thank you guys have a great week:okay, thanks less thanks, Lese B but Hey. We want to thank you for joying uptoday on Hutdl up with Guss, where we talked to a wide range of guests abouthow suports shape to life. As always, I'm joined by my great friend andCohouse Dave Hager, and we want you to be able to follow us on all of ourSocial Media at how Tl Wup with Gus, and we really appreciate you and thankyou for your time and listening to our podcast.

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