Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

Episode · 1 year ago

Ken Harvey


Joining me in the Huddle this week is my longtime friend and teammate, Ken Harvey! Ken is a fantastic person and I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation. He grew up in Austin, Texas. Shortly after attending U. C. Berkeley, he was drafted in the first round, 12th overall, of the 1988 NFL draft by the Arizona Cardinals. There he played six seasons until signing with the Washington Redskins in 1994. He was selected to his fourth straight NFL Pro Bowl in 1997 and ended his career with 89 sacks, averaging 8.6 per season. Ken retired just before the start of the 1999 season.

In 2002, Ken received the prestigious honor of being nominated in the Washington Redskin's highest accolade as one of "80 Greatest Washinton Football Players." Shortly after receiving that honor, he was chosen and inducted into the "The Washington Football Club Ring of Fame at Fed Ex Field." He was nominated five consecutive times for the NFL Hall of Fame.

Ken is an author of several books and screenplays. He is currently co-authoring a children's book with American actor, artist, and former American football player, Terry Crews. Ken is now a Marketing Associate for Fellows Financial group.

His speaking portfolio includes sharing his insights and volunteering his time and talents to support the following


• High tech prayer breakfast. – Testimony

• Silke Endress Ambassador Award Reception – International unity

• Altria – Teamwork

• NFLPA conference - Transitioning

• HIDTA High-intensity drug trafficking area – Communication

• TedX Ashburn - Overcoming

• Collective [I] – Sales, Artificial intelligence

• Department of threat reduction agency – Diversity / Black History

• Touching Heart Family Gala – Charitable giving

• Lambardi Cancer foundation - Charitable giving

• Nasa – Sports/ Fitness in Space

• 2018 Volunteer Reston service award – Charitable giving

• Loudoun Chamber – Leadership

• Great Fall Chamber – Leadership

• Joint Base Anacostia Bolling – Teamwork

• INS corporation – Security/teamwork

• Watkins Award – MC

• Engineering youth conference- George Mason. – Setting yourself apart

• Spokesperson with Redskins as Director of Responsibility

• Co–captain of Congressional football game

• Co-Captain of Rivals golf event- Former Washington player vs Former Cowboy players

His journey was not the typical path and he realized that too much is given, much is required. He donates much of his time to others and has currently been named to the board director of Touching Heart.

Thank you, Ken!!!!

Hey everyone, Welcome to another episode of huddle up with Gus, I'm your host, former NFL quarterback Gus Frerotte and welcome To the new 16:30 one digital new studio. You know, some people say no news is good news. Well I say to those people you've never read. 1631 Digital News dot com. Go to 1631 Digital to get your latest news, sports, music and entertainment and maybe even listen to your favorite podcast. Follow up with gusts. Check it out today At www. 1631 Digital News com. Welcome to what surely will be a doozy of a matchup brian here. Sports fans, whether your game is on the gridiron at the diamond or on the links, we can only say, yeah, Welcome to this week's huddle up with Gusts. 15 year NFL quarterback Gus parents, passion for sports has taken him on the field and behind the bench is playing for seven NFL franchises with 114 TVs under his belt. Gus knows who the players are and how the games are. One. Uh it's not every day you get to hang out with an NFL quarterback up. Okay, sports fans from the decked out and plush 16 31 digital studios, it's kick off time so snap your chin straps on and get ready to huddle up with us two left. Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of huddle up with Gus, I'm your host. 15 year NFL quarterback Gus Frerotte. I want to thank all my partners. 16 31 digital news studio down in Washington, D. C. Appreciate them for having me on all the time. I want to thank all my team terry brian and the in and I want to thank Sounder FM for hosting me on their platform. And especially when I thank our new partner Manscaped. Uh you gotta go and cut the lawn if you know what I'm saying. You got to go and check out Manscaped. I got a real man on today. So uh go check out Manscaped, put my coat in. Gus Frerotte all caps, get 20% off and free shipping. So uh, today, like I said as a real man, one of guys I've always admired, he took me under his wing when I was a young buck it. Uh, and I guess I can't say the word anymore but Washington football team, but he uh, you know, he was a pro bowler, he was a first round draft pick. He's just an incredible awesome human being And I've always looked up to him and I consider him one of my dear friends. So joining to me today is number 57 ken. Harvey. Hey buddy, what's going on? Not much man. You know what I tell you what all the accolades and the great things you said about me, which I appreciate and which are true. You know, more than anything though, I, I really appreciate and cherish friendships and I appreciate our friendships and our families, friendships. It's great when you, you know, you grow up together, you see your kids growing up and you know, it's just, we really appreciate you guys. Is that uh, that that family that you can go to and hang out with and not have any pressure. Just relax. So thank you. Yeah, no thank you for everything because you know, and, and I always say we, we, we played for seven teams. We lived all over the country. Um, and we just created some incredible friendships and people that we still miss and want to see again to this day, but you know, life and kids and everything getting away and and I'm just glad like when we reconnect can I always feel like we just go back to those times. We used to ride to the stadium and your in your car. You know what I mean? I just go back to that when we were young. I mean, I was like, that's like think about that. It's like 25, years ago. That was a long time ago. I mean, but that's, you know, that's that's kind of what it's about, right? You, uh you have those one pleasant memories and they stick with you and so you just pick up where you left off and that that's a good thing. A lot of people don't have that. I think a lot of people are seeing with Covid, um, you know how valuable friendships and relationships really are and being...

...stuck in by themselves. I think a lot of people are kind of or at least hopefully are getting a glimpse of those who are kind of shut in and really have nobody. So. Right. No I agree. I agree. You know, and especially for our kids right? Our kids even with the new technologies coming out, our kids haven't you've seen it you're our kids are a little older now but the kids that we see today, you know a lot of technology staying home not getting out like we used to. So when you were a kid, when you were young growing up in texas, tell me about the first time you fell in love with sports and what that memory was for you. You know, nice segue man, your professional. I like that. So so here's the deal. It wasn't so much I fell in love I was to get your butt out the house, quit watching T. V. And go play football. So don't come home till it's dark, right? And that's that's like most parents right there like you know, you spend too much time watching Tv, you need to go do something with yourself and get outside and I think that was probably the best move my my parents made. This is papa on the football and I'm out playing and um you know you get a chance to develop as a young man, especially if you have a good coach and we had a good coach in in the sense that you know if you're late everybody was late and everybody ran, you know, you start learning some of those disciplinary things that would take you throughout life. And so even today I hate being late just for that reason. Yeah. You know, you know what's funny ken is uh, I have one recurring nightmare, It's not really a nightmare, but I was late one time to a meeting because Anne was pregnant and I stayed with her as long as possible and I had to drive up when we were in Frostburg Maryland and I walked into that team meeting late and you know, North didn't find me or anything, but I remember that me and I still have that nightmare walking into that man is the only time I was ever late in the NFL. Yeah, I mean it's, it's, you know, it's a good thing, there's some good quality and I say good coaches because I've seen a lot of bad coaches out there, you know, especially with the youth, but there are a lot of good coaches and, and if you understand and realize the the responsibility, you have not just exit and those but in shaping young people's lives. I mean I I think that's really important. I've seen some really good people do some really good things the least push you in the right direction. So those are you know those are some fun memories of early childhood me playing football. Yeah. So did you play any other sports? So I didn't play, I played not for a teen but basketball. We lived right next door to a school and so you know they had the basketball courts outside every night. Me and my brothers used to go out there and play basketball and I had a pretty good vertical. You know my shooting game was with suspect but I you know I had about 36 38 inch vertical. You don't have to shoot when you can dunk every night so you can jump. And I had I had a good shot together. We all made a team is like five of us at every, every you know, a couple of nights we all get together and we were all playing challenge people that was like our territory playing people on that basketball court. And so you know I sometimes you wonder like people put their kids in one sport and that's your sport for the rest of your life, all these other sports, develop other muscles, develop other techniques and so it's sometimes good to spread it around. Um But basketball was my other thing uh as an adult bowling uh you know like the ball a little bit and uh and then the martial arts, I did that for a minute. Well you know what else when you're a kid and you you like that right? So you're out there with your brothers and your playing that sport also develops your trash talking game a little bit because you know, there's another team comes in from the little town over you're gonna, you're gonna be like, okay, this is our turf. So I remember a lot of that like, you know, hey, we're gonna get into this game and like a guy that you always were arrival with like playing like and your same court all the time, all of a sudden your teammates and you're going to stand up for each other. There's just...

...things that you learn as a kid when we just go to a court like that, that I just feel like kids missed today. They do, I mean, you know, I mean you don't want to come across preaching or anything, but they are because our parents probably said that about us, right. You know, there are some things that are missing. But the thing is, is that I think we're realizing that without the physical touch, without that that camaraderie without all this stuff, there's only so much that technology can do. And so looking at a person, you know, even if you go to size, right, our brain picks up on thousands of images, every every millisecond, right? And you think it's just one thing, But it's the smell. It's the sites, it's the sound. It's everything that's out there. And on a video, there's only so many things you can pick up when you're out there with a person, man. It's the greatest thing. And you learn values. You know, sometimes after a game you may hate this person, but then you learn how to shake hands afterwards and say, all right, it's a good game. You learn in respect of people that, you know, some of those good good values type things. Yeah. Because when you were in that court, you didn't have a coach, you didn't have your parents there, you didn't have some referee, right? You just, you just figured it all out yourself. Sometimes you have to get, sometimes you have to throw the boat, you know, you got, you got into a fight every once in a while and then you have to decide, am I going to go back? You know, there are a lot of things out there, but that's, you know, that's life. And I'm not, you know, being negative against this generation, just uh, you can't just be reliant on any one thing so much that it's all your life. And uh, you know, that's kind of, you know, that's, that's just life. Well, yeah. You know, and like for me, I remember growing up, my dad was just this tough guy, right? He was a middle guy, he was just this tough guy. Remember these two older kids can't beat me up, took my bike, I went, you know, sulking back home crying, my dad's working in the garden, I said, dad, you gotta help me, These guys took my bike and he goes, don't you come back here until you get that bike back? I'm like, you're not going to help me? He goes, no, you're gonna go figure it out for yourself, go get that bike back, because I don't want you home until you get that bike back. So it's like, well, you know, I'm walking around the neighborhood trying to figure out where it was, and they put it up in the tree, so I had to climb up like 10 ft in the tree, drop it out, then go, you know, I got it home. Like I would rather go face those guys again, they go back and face my dad. I mean those are cool lessons, unfortunately with the times that we're in, right, people don't, people don't put bikes and trees anymore, They come back, wait for you. And so when they have a gun, you know, it's just different times, different things that you got to deal with. But you know, I would always tell people there's value in sports and when people, you know, you hear that, you know, shut up and play. You know, it's not just shut up and play. You gotta realize sports is an integral part of our society. Even with covid, if we didn't have sports on Sundays or those days during that, during this year, long time, people would have went crazy. You know, they were like we needed some type of sense of normalcy to feel like we were doing something in sports. You know, definitely provided that for some people. Well, you know, and for me it was the N. B. A. And I loved watching the bubble when it was happened during Covid because it gave us something to watch and it was exciting. It was always going on. Like I felt they did a good job trying to keep everybody together, you know, and understanding how to deal with a pandemic and then giving us something that we could watch, nobody else was doing that. I thought was a really good job. I mean, could you imagine if it was just movies? I mean movies and all that stuff is great, right? But you want to see something live, you want to see something that's happening, You want to see heroes and people that you can cheer for abou against, you know whatever. Even w w w w we now you know they were doing stuff I mean there's we just needed that and I think there's there's value to it uh that people sometimes underestimate uh I can I can only watch the transformers and Avengers I know right? I hate so so I have to watch them on my own. Get out...

...of here. Really when Annie watch the movies they have to be sad, dark crying movies. Well I got my I got my I got Janice. Uh my wife she's addicted or she's not addictive but she she got into it so we're really oh yeah big time man, Tell Eddie and she has to read one of my books novels since she likes the Dark Sad. Although yeah yeah she's um like she's reading like Gunnar's girlfriend got her all the Edgar Allan Poe poems and everything that he's written and she's reading the whole book and it's like that big right now because she likes the dark. How about how about This Once Upon a midnight dreary wallet, pondered, weak and weary over quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore. Well, acknowledge something like that, we're going to add the rest for when the show. Look at ken, ken, like cal Berkeley guy right there. So you go on to high school, did you just play football in high school? Did you play other sports? So I, I played football a little bit, but as you know, I, I dropped out of high school and so I didn't play my senior high school football um didn't know kind of which direction I was going to go in my life. Um And so for me, during the time of the drop out here where I'm kinda sitting there in your dad's like, you know, you know, you're too big to be in this house, just eating up our food, you need to, you need to go to get out, go to the military, do something, but you can't stay here, you gotta decide what you're gonna do with your life. And so during this time uh and you're walking around and people looking at you like who's this big guy, you're not doing anything with your life and you felt, I felt like you know loser, like you know, it didn't have anything going. Uh I was on my knees praying one night uh and it just felt like God was saying for me, can you have a purpose? You have a destiny? And I think you know, I try to tell it to people like once you figure you have a purpose and a destiny. Once you have something to focus on, once you have, you know, a desire saying, I am supposed to do something, you have a direction to go. And so I knew I had a direction to go, but that direction then took some steps of going back, going back to high school to finish up, uh you know, being embarrassed about being a dropout, going back, trying to do that then here and all the negatives, uh you're not gonna, you know, you can't make it to college, let alone pros. You know, How are you going to get to school? You know, your grades aren't good, you don't have the money, How are you going to get to school? But it's trying to speak that into the world, into existence, no matter what the world saying, this was my belief. And then everything you start doing is based off of that belief. I would training nights and you know, I'm gonna be the great, I'm going to be the best, you know, I'm I'm gonna be this uh you know, and then and then I met a guy as the world would have it. I met a guy in a gym who told me about a junior college in Oakland California and so I end up going to the junior college in Oakland California, never been outside of further than I could walk, but saved up a bunch of money. Me and another guy uh went to this junior college in Oakland California, played there for two years and did fairly well. Uh got a scholarship to Berkeley and you know, then into the pros did your, when did you know? Because you talked about being a drop out of high school, so you know, studying and all that probably like wasn't at the top of your list but then to go to to go to Berkeley, there had to be a transformation in there because it's not even as an athlete you have to study, you have to get into that school well. So it wasn't that like like I was a smart person uh you know I mean just saying like like some people are smart right and you just you know maybe not smart and and subjects or for me like you said it wasn't it wasn't that I was done, I just didn't have good study habits and so it as going to the junior college that's where I kind of learned some study habits and then your natural ability,...

...your natural like or whatever could then be increased because now you have to study habits to go along with it. So it wasn't the best student. But I was smart probably compared to a lot of people cause I knew a lot of things probably watching T. V. A lot. Uh It wasn't I just watched junk, I watch a lot of educational shows, I watched a lot of insight type shows so smart kid but not I didn't have great habits and then you go to Berkeley you know you get around people fortunately and you get around people that can help you or if you know you get a group of people that are studying then you want to study or you're pushing study. So that's why sometimes good to be with people that or either better than you or trying to do more because they'll bring you along as well. Yeah you know it's so funny can like our kids they're going through the age of computers and the internet and and and I tell our kids all the time about how when we were in college, we literally had to walk across campus to the computer room to write our papers and they're like, what are you talking about? I said nobody had a computer in the room, we had to walk across campus. What? So for you when you were at cal what was that like? Because playing football and going to class, that's a full time job. Well, so it is but then also for me, I was I was walking around like I'm the most fortunate person in the world. I'm like, here I am this drop out in high school who everyone said was was done with Stewart but it's gonna be a loser that you would never make anything of yourself. Here. I am going to universe California, Berkeley, my God. Then I had my wife who's Janice who was there uh then she wasn't in school then, but that's where we met at, at the junior college. So we were there together, so she was a big support. And then just, there were just good people around me that helped me out. So, you know, it was, it was, it was cool. But I was always looking like how lucky, how fortunate cannot be. Every time I looked around that campus, I was like, my God, look at me here I am. So that that was the cool cool thing. Yeah. So then you're at Berkeley, you're there two years? When was the process where it started like a ken you've got a really good shot of playing in the NFL, So, so my senior year, right? It's it's people are looking at them and they're saying, you know, you probably get drafted, but you know, probably weighing the less around. Um, but our last game of the year, we went to, uh, we went to Japan, we played the Washington state in Japan, I was most valuable defensive player there. Then I went to the Shrine game, which is a postgame college most valuable defensive player there and I went to Senior Bowl and I was Most valuable defensive player there. Then I went to the combines and I had a pretty good combine at least for that time. It had some good combine stats. And so now sudden the picture starts doing like, whoa, you know, who is this guy? Because no one really hurt. Berkeley wasn't really known for, you know, massive, great players. They had a couple of great players come out of there, but there were always a couple here and there, not just as a school. And so now I sent him on the radar and people are starting to say, well, who is this guy? And I was, you know, and then you start thinking like, well maybe I can go high, maybe, you know, 4th, 5th round type of thing. Didn't expect first round, didn't expect the 12th round, 12 pick of the first round. But as fate would have it that year, everybody was looking for linebackers and Andre Bruce was the first, which was a linebacker was the first person taken in the draft. So they just kind of, you know, everybody was then looking for the next lT. And I kind of fit into that mold to look, you know, Yeah, you fit into it very well. You know what I talked to see real quick. I talked to Bill parcells and he was like, yeah, but you're a little too small to be one of our linebackers. They're not quite big enough, you know? Well, I see you as a third down cover guy because back then the linebackers were 6465 252 £160. I was I was 6 to £225 coming out...

...of college. Strong, but not, not big, massive. Big. Yeah, they have such a, I think NFL coaches get such a stigma. Like they need the size and you know, like not everybody fits in that box, like it's gonna be great. Right? Well people people, they'll put people in the box until someone breaks the mode. Then all of a sudden they need or circumstances like now you have all these quarterbacks that are, are scrambling quarterbacks. So now, instead of having a big massive linebackers now you need linebackers that are maybe more quick, quicker on their feet, that can pass coverage, all that stuff. So the techniques of whatever you have on one side can dictate the other side. I think that that's important, but it's also like you said, you can't be put in a box, right, Hussein, vote both. Uh you know, if all you're too tall to be a sprinter, but now everybody's like, oh, you can be tall and be a sprint. He broke that mold. And that's uh you know, that's that's the cool thing, especially if you're that person that breaks the mold. That's really cool. Well, you know, I look at like, you know, just being living here in Pittsburgh for a while. I mean, we had they had the Steelers had James Harrison, yeah. You know, he's that outside guy, that three, they ran a 34 He was that out. And I don't I don't know how tall James was, but you know, like there was no box that he was in. He was, he broke the mold and you know, sometimes like you can, you can get so caught up on stats and not look at the person because you can't judge sometimes the heart of a person, a person who is willing to do whatever they have to do to get to that, get to the ball because there's some great athletes who take time off, you know, who, who don't hustle to the ball, who don't care about it. Uh, I've always said this is my own little philosophy, but there are three things that can make you great in an NFL and if you can maximize any one of them, you can be a great player. So one is your physical abilities. Some guys are just freaks of nature and especially if they bust their butt, you know, they're at the tent and they can just totally just dominate somebody. There's the guys intelligence, some guys are, they live in the, they've they've done football all their life, they live in the film room, they study, they know it so well that they know the play before it even happens, maximize that you can, you can dominate your game. And then the third is heart, you know, a player with a lot of heart who's willing to do whatever it takes to make sure it happens. You know, he's willing to play special teams, willing to run across the field where his tongue is hanging out. You know, he's willing to do whatever it takes to make sure he's going to contribute to the team. And if you can be one of those three, you can be, you know, probably a great good player on your team. If you can be two of those three, you're probably gonna be a pro ball player, and if you three other three then you're probably a Hall of Famer, That's my philosophy. Yeah, no, I completely get that. And I think the problem is a lot of times, because I look at every team has an equal talent in the NFL, and so a lot of times the coaching doesn't know how to pull one of those three out of those people, right? So if they have a guy with great talent, he might be a little screwed up somewhere else, and the coaches don't know how to talk to him or deal with them, or he's having family problems at home, right? We may have a guy with the biggest heart in the world, but he doesn't have the talent, so you got to be able to pull all those out as a coach. And I think what a lot of times is, the coaches don't take enough time to understand the person. Oh, no doubt. I mean, look, you, when we go to training camp, when training camp first starts it, if you got coaches usually give you two weeks to figure out everything to learn every technique to adjust yourself and then then you get a chance to play and depend on where they put you at. You may you may be on the third team and everybody around you suspect that you may be a great player, but because everybody around you suspect you look bad, I think coaching plays a huge part of it. And what I feel bad is like some of these college players coming out of college, it could be great players, but you can tell they weren't taught technique, you know, they just relied on their natural ability. The coaches just say, well you...

...big just block somebody or your big just run. And I mean, I, you know, personally I've destroyed a couple of linemen just because they do, you mean a couple, well, you know, I'm just saying, but even in practice training count, you see that there could have been good players, but they didn't have the technique that would never talk technique and they just rely on their strength. And now you go to the pros, these are grown men, who, this is their livelihood, this is a job. And all of a sudden, you know, you're coming out fresh and you don't have any technique, They will eat you up Well, I'll give you a great example. So he played with us, he was drafted after I was the next year, Michael, Westbrook. Right? So Michael, and you know, Michael, Michael was a specimen, tall, fast, could do it all muscle bound, everything. Everything. Yeah. Right. Right. And you know, and we're out there and practice and he wasn't getting open because he's going against Darrell in two days and and he's out there just trying to fight Daryl and you know, he wasn't getting open. I'm like, dude, Darryl's half your size. What's going on? He goes, oh no man, he won't leave me alone. He just said, I'm like, yeah, because he's trying to make you better than Darrelle is like, if you're wrestling me, you're not getting open. I'm doing my job. You know, like, because Michael just probably was in college having just the talent, right? I'm bigger than you. I can just run around so I don't, you can push you around. And then, like you said, you get to the pros, guys are smart guys are fast guys understand how to get in your head and you got to be able to let all that go and just work and um I feel like uh you know, that was probably where Michael had a hard time because you saw that he had some insecurities, you know, because he got in a fight with steven and and all that, but he had some insecurities. We all have insecurities and I feel like um the coaches are and maybe some veteran players have to see that because we're all on the same team, you're all trying to go to the same goal and have a chance when you're going to say that it's, you know, some teams have good mentorship, you know, there are guys that like, my first year in the pros, I was getting destroyed by, by the tight end, you know, I couldn't, I couldn't, my thing was a pass rusher in college and I had, they put me against the tight end, I don't know what to do. And it's found this one guy, another linebacker just, you know, he told me a simple thing, he's like, you need to adjust your feet, turn them in a little bit more and that's going to create balance for you being to explode off more. That little bit of advice made the difference between me being, me being considered a bust and me being able to play against in the NFL, that little bit of difference and he took the time and I was a linebacker who would potentially take his job, but that's what mentorship is about, you know, you're trying to make whatever the next generation better than yourself well, you know, it's kind of funny. I had some mentorship from uh Warren Sapp one time, So I was playing with the Bengals and um we were playing them. No, maybe it was, no, it was, it was when I was with the skins and we were playing them and he said, hey gus, I knew when it was a run in the past. This is after the game, we saw each other by the buses, every time you got under center, I said, how, what do you mean? He goes, your feet were completely different and I studied it on film and every time your feet were one way it was a run and every time they were another way it was a past. Yeah. And it's like, okay, my coach never picked up on that or caught that, but warned it, you know, and he came up and he had enough respect for me to to tell me that, which was which was awesome. And and then that's a small example of how pros, you know, you say, guys are just natural man for someone to to take the time and notice that small thing, it shows that not only were the great athlete, but that they also had the intelligence to do the game. And that's kind of, you know, life in itself as well. Well, you know, he's a Hall of Famer. So I think he'd fit into all three of your Yeah. You...

...know, I guess spending money doesn't count in that, but and I never I never told you. Uh Yeah, But man, I would have loved to play against you because I ate you up. I was like a big statue standing back there. All right. I wasn't the runner that was the guy they were looking for, stand in the pocket and throw the throw that Gaillard all day. The game has changed so much. But you know, and I joke when I say that it comes down to like for you, for any quarterback, you know, that's the relationship between your offensive lineman. I remember um Trey johnson who was the offensive lineman and just remember one play where someone hit the quarterback and I mean, he chased the guy down because that was his guy. You don't mess with his quarterback. And to me, that is the most respectful thing when you get an offensive lineman who take their job seriously, That's powerful. So yeah, I know that is that is very powerful. Hey, everyone, we were talking with ken harvey here. Thanks for joining us on huddle up with Gus, you can check me out of my website, huddle up with gusts dot com. We're gonna take a quick break. Mhm. Mhm Uh huh Hey, head up with Gus listeners. Manscaped. Well, they sent me uh they hooked me up with a bunch of tools and formulations for their package three point oh kit. Uh so you know, I want to show you guys what's in the perfect package, right? We all think we got a perfect package, but they sent me the perfect package three point okay. And I want to show you what they sent me. So it was crazy. It came in this great box. Uh you know, and you can see what it says. They will thank you because they sent us this awesome trimmer. They sent us uh, you know, stuff that makes you smell better and then, you know, they sent me this great uh some boxers, you what you get, right, protect them. And then, uh, you know, they sent me this cool. It sat, I guess you want to call it to store all your stuff in. So, uh, it's been great. Manscaped sent me a bunch of product. Um, you know, and you know, you can see it all on here. Uh, you know, if you can go to Manscaped dot com and put in the code, uh, Gus Frerotte, that's G U S F R E R O T T E. Get 20% off and free shipping when you use that code. But you can get a kit, you can get individual items like, uh, this way cool rumor that has a little led light, um, ceramic. These things come apart, they're waterproof. You can do a lot with them. So, you know, man scape is great. You know, it's funny. I remember when I was playing with the Denver broncos and I'm not going to mention any names, but there was a gentleman who was playing on our team. And uh, you know, if he ever hears the story, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. But he brought his own clippers in one time and he used to trim his beard up, his goatee and everything and he had him there for about two or three weeks and he goes in around the corner, he walks in and there's a person, another player that is actually manscaping with his beard trimmer. So, you know, one of the things is, you don't want to use the same trimmer down there that you use up here. So, uh, he kind of freaked out a little bit and he said, hey, how long have you been using that tool there? And he said, well, showed up here about three weeks ago and I've been using it ever since, so you know, there is a lesson learned that, you know, don't leave things out and probably, uh, if it would have just said manscaped on it, we uh, we wouldn't have had that issue,...

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...they never allow you to talk or they're just kind of dull and you're like, you're trying to come up with stuff for them to ask so that they can have a show something. I just try to make it about our guests and try to because I think one of the things I always wanted to talk about was the transitions we have through life. And that's why I start when we were kids because we all get these choices and decisions in our life right? That we have to make and they lead to certain consequences. You know, and and you're just a great example of that of the beginning of your life wasn't easy and you went back, you kind of rebooted and you you you said, okay, I'm gonna take control of it and you just didn't. Then you just became this amazing person and well, I mean I'm sure Janice Janice had a lot of junior Yeah. I mean, you know, half of it is like like you said, you know, you get even with even with the nonprofit and work with now, it's like we're plant, you plant seeds and you hope enough of those seeds, our planet in the right place and you hope they're fertilized the right way and you hope they water the right way to grow up to be what they're supposed to be. There are so many things that are out there that are trying to take those seeds away, destroy those attitudes and so you know, good people like yourself, you know, hopefully me, hopefully whoever can nurture whatever is in that person and put them in a positive direction because there are so many things as you know, that that are out there to destroy people and take them off course and you know, it's not necessarily someone's fault, whatever, but there's so many things that are out there that just could be negative, Right? No, no, true. I do get long winded and preachy. So, you know, I'm starting all right, well, and I, yeah, just wait for you to pull the tower. Yeah. My brother got uh, anytime you're ready to jump back in it as a polite hand to shut up job brian. Alright. Yeah, Producer. Alright, good at it. Hey, everyone welcome back to huddle up with Gus. I'm joined by my good friend, ken Harvey. We were just talking about some of his times and some things he's learned from veterans from mentors when he was in, uh, Arizona. Now we're going to get into a little bit of our time together in Washington. Uh, you know, one of the things I'll say Kenny is I never really appreciated when you would, my wife would come over to your house and you would walk around with just a towel and I didn't appreciate that. I my wife appreciated it. You know, she still talks about that. Wonder why not only know what to say, That's that's a great way to give me to shut up. I always try to hug Janice and get you upset. You were like, you know, back I know, get back up. That's why I'm uh, shut your guest up, I don't want to, I could never do that. I can walk around with a towel off now and it will be more like, wow, okay. I'm sure, I'm sure it's the same me. It's like, I'm wearing a look, I'm the guy that's wearing a T shirt at the beach. I am that too. But you know, Janice. And I, when we, when we were in college, junior college, we were like, we don't want to be those people who, you know, we want to be a certain way when we get in our fifties and sixties and so far we're close to it, you know, we gotta ups and our downs, but you know, we still, I like the a probably hopefully not too cocky, but we still look good, not close, you know, I'm not so sure about me, but uh and he has been working her tail off, she she goes back, she works full time, she takes care of, like, it's amazing in the last year and a half, she's probably lost over £50 she's just herself, love has been great lately. Well, we uh we both married up.

Yes, of course I did. You know, we both did, so we're good, I did, I did. So our time together in Washington, I always appreciated it. And you know, you were one of the the incredible players, the most incredible players that the skins have ever had, and you know, I was just thrilled to kind of hang out with you because I was a little, you know, I was this kid from Tulsa from winter school, Tulsa from Pittsburgh just, I didn't have a lot of these things, you you had all this experience and you were polite enough to always try and share that with me, so I wanted to thank you for that, and uh you know, because we're right in the games are families got close, um and it was just a pleasure always to be around you and with you, so thank you for that, you know, you're welcome, I mean, I, you know, you look back and I've heard stories like that, and, you know, to me it's just you're just being what you're supposed to be, you know, but but as we talked, it goes back to me seeing just greatness and everybody, right, that's potential and I saw it in you and your family, you know, you guys were great people and uh and young and starting off and it's like, man, you know, all these pressures on your shoulder, shoulders, but but you're doing well and so, you know, we're just friends and that to me was more than anything. Friends. Yeah, that was more than anything, and I think that, you know, I always felt like we were so close with the skins, like the one year we won seven in a row and we had this amazing talent and we were missing something. What do you think we were kind of just right on? So I look back because I used to look back and regret. I think the one thing that, you know, we're probably missing was that like we were, it's kind of like our analogy, we're good on our natural talent, but we weren't necessarily good at putting it all to going that extra level. Like like we had we never had enough leadership on all sides to get in your face because sometimes you gotta yell at somebody, sometimes you gotta you gotta jump somebody sometimes you can do whatever to get to the next point. And I think also sometimes our coaches tried to overthink things and, and so, you know, you could become smarter than you need to be a football. Ultimately it is a basic game, right? You beat the person that's in front of you, you catch the ball, you do whatever you do what you're supposed to do and you win the game. I think we got into the exits and those so much sometimes that we forgot basic football, You know, you go out there and you become better than the person next to you and uh yeah, that was my thing. I I knew we had good teams and it hurt because you know, my whole career, I never made it to the playoffs. So that, that just that was my Yeah, I know, that's hard. I mean I played, you know, how many years did you end up playing 11? You played 11, I played 15 and you know, and to not get to a super like you play all these, you know, it's almost like Westbrook at uh with with basketball team in in Washington, right? That I mean look at this guy, he just broke Oscar Robertson like triple double mark and you know, the guy has never even been to a championship, like it is hard. Like look at all the time and effort you put in your on the ring of fame in Washington and you've done all these things and you're like, and you know, like that year that we were seven and one and I think about it all the time is like that was our year, we had an opportunity. And how did we fall apart at the end of season? That's why I always try to figure out like, what was, what were we missing? What do they say? Pressure, burst pipes, You know, sometimes it's the pressure, like, uh, you know, you used to, used to always hear that saying, act like you've been there before, and the reality is we hadn't been there before and, and we had a lot of young people who have never been there before. We just, and we didn't have enough of top to really push us to get that. And I say we, you know, I looked back at me and said, man,...

I I could have studied more uh and been a better leader with the team. Um and I always kind of looked at myself and said, well my job was to be uh you know, I was a quiet leader and you just do by your action, but a lot of times sometimes it's not just by your actions, Sometimes you got to grab somebody and pick them up and maybe set them in the right direction and do all that stuff. So I think it's a combination of a lot of it, but you know, it is what it is, right, we were that close, it didn't happen, you learn from it, There's actually shown netflix called losers I think, and it talks about lose people who have lost, but in the end have one because they lost. You know, in some through their losing, they end up becoming winners. And I think, you know, maybe that's us in some ways we lost, but hopefully we want in some ways. Well, I mean, I think you win a lot of ways. Obviously you gain a lot of friendships, you're in a locker room, you get to know a lot of people from different backgrounds that you would never ever meet before. And and in in reality, We got to play the game that we grew up playing right, 25 years straight for me, I don't know how long you played it, but, you know, you're playing a game that you love, it becomes a job in a business, but we played ultimately, you know, I got to do something that I'd love to do for 15 years. I mean, you know, we look back, we look back, it's like I've got to do things I would have never probably even dreamed about doing right. I've got to, I've been able to travel to Dubai, I've been able to, uh, you know, talk to NASA and meet the president. You know, the head of NASA. I've got to, I coached a congressional football game with about 30 Congress members who played flag football against the Capitol Hill police. I've got to do so many things that I probably have never. And then my, my sons, you know, we'll say, oh my my youngest will say the reason we can do what we've done is because you guys gave us a vision of seeing all the things that are possible. And, and to me that means the world. I mean, I'm waiting for the NFL to do a study on the kids are former players just to see, you know, where they're at, because I think a lot of, a lot of life is about getting opportunities to see and do things that you probably would never have done on your own. Well, I tell Gunnar that and the kids that all the time, you just got to go do it, right, you gotta go out there and just just try, put yourself, yeah, right, because you're gonna, you're gonna meet people, you're gonna, you're gonna create new friendships, you're gonna go, but if you don't leave, you don't go out of the house, you don't do those things, you never, you're never going to experience that stuff. Um, so then when you retire from the NFL, uh I know you were in Washington, like that's where you made your mark. Like for me, it was a little different, right? Because I was on seven teams and didn't really know we moved back to Pittsburgh, where Anne and I grew up, but you stay there and you create this kind of persona and you've just been just killing it after you left. So tell us a little bit about that transition from not playing anymore to to saying, okay, I got to figure out what else to do. So, I tell you, I mean, and I appreciate you saying that perception is often time different in reality, right? I when I when I quit football, are we tired from my childhood when I quit and I dropped out of school? I always said I was gonna never quit again. I would never give up when I stopped playing football. It felt in my mind like I quit. And so I was actually, you know what they say? You know, all these NFL players, when you retire, you go through a period of depression. I was depressed for a long time. I was I was hiding in plain sight, right in front. Everybody, everybody all you still look like you could play and all that stuff. But in reality I was kind of like, man, I quit. I was embarrassed. I kind of went through the depression, I tried a lot of things, you know, and and through sports, you you were able to try a lot of things. And so I had a production company, we did, you know, commercials and different things like that. And I was on the creative side, everyone was like,... should be a coach and you should be a sports sports commentator and I really resisted against it or more so than I should have because, you know, they're probably was avenues there for me. So I did a little bit of everything. But ultimately I was really trying to help people and that was kind of my goal. And so I did, I've done a lot of charity events. You know, I tried to, I've been trying to help people, uh, for the most part, but now as I'm on this journey, um, go back to, you know, life, sometimes God to me, God will have you duplicate a situation over and over again until you learn the lesson. You're trying, he's trying to teach you whatever that lesson is. I end up redo plicating the same situation of running from, from, from not playing football kind of lost not knowing what I'm doing. Buy three or four years ago. Uh, I had, uh, probably longer than that, but I end up going back and I'm reading in the bible exodus four to a guy was telling moses what's in your hands. And I was realizing I had done all these things and I never really saw it. And so I go back and I look at and there's a Children's book that I did with terry crews that we played with. So we did this, we redid this book and we use augmented reality and things lined up. A friend of mine call out of nowhere. You see they had an augmented reality company and we put the cherries now a big movie star and we're like, we put this book together. Boom book. I started working, I work for a financial, uh, wealth management company because you know, along the lines of trying to want to help people. I recently started working with this nonprofit called touching Heart. Uh, and so we're trying to help young people become compassionate leaders. And then on the, on the side, I also write, you know, I've written about six or seven Children's books, two thriller, suspense novels. And I'm trying I wrote a screenplay that I'm trying to see what can happen with that. What's give me a little snippet of what the screenplay is? Well, there are several, but the one that I'm pushing now is about bowling because I used to like the bowl a lot and so it's it's a comedy and never written a comedy before, but it's, you know, it's about it's kind of standard. Uh you know, a guy dealing with the legacy that his dad was a great bowler, bowler, but he never really knew that his dad was his great bowler. Now he's inherit heritage, his legacy and he's having to go up against, you know, a bad guy and that type of drama, but it's a comedy and so, you know, it's fun and it's something that when I first started playing football with me and Janice first started playing football in Arizona instead of we didn't want to go out and party and do all that stuff. So we used to invite all the linebackers to go bowling and we will all go bowling. So these are all the NFL linebackers, bowling. We have contest guys against the girls. And you know, if you lost, you had to run down the hallway and said, my wife is the greatest and all that stuff. So it was a fun way of having fun, even though you were this NFL star. And so now, you know, use the gifts that you have, what's in your hands, write a screenplay about bowling. You should write a story about a guy who fought adversity because he had buttered a wallet would be a great book for you to write. You know, you know what, I wasn't gonna mention it at all in this interview, but you brought it up, you brought it up. You I was gonna ask you, well here's the thing I get asked about it all the time, right? My whole life. And since that happened every, every interview I've ever done, people want to ask me about that. So I just laugh about it because it is what it is, right? It happened. You can't change the past. Um but I wanted to ask you when that happened, Were you like, okay, yeah, I just not just not going to be friends with that guy anymore. Like you bloody idiot. You know what it's like I understood, right? So in my mind and you can tell me if I'm wrong. But in my mind I'm thinking here's a guy who this is a big moment for him...

...and and he's getting a chance to, you know, we all want to do things like we've seen on tv. You know, you get so excited, you don't even think because that moment happened and you do something like you're gonna hit but the bone but here but the wall, but you never think that that's going to hurt you. And so it's just out of excitement is just like, you know, I'm gonna do something cool even if you ran to the sideline we would hear but each other and you know, unfortunately that that happened, but I understood it at least I thought I understood because you know, even when I I made an exception in the probo, ran it back for a touchdown and got so excited, I threw the ball in the stance, you know, never saw the ball, it's my first interception, ever, first touchdown ever. But I did it all that excitement. So I figured that was you and the excitement of everything. You got carried away. You hear about the wall, the wall here, but you back, it didn't really move and you won that battle. But at least I understood, but I would never, I would never not have a friend because of that. I mean that to me that's well, you know, it's it's I always want to ask like teammates about that because you know, it was a tough thing to go through. You know, I mean, the team wanted to find me for conduct detrimental to the team. They wanted to be Really, you're talking like 25 grand like because I did that. Yeah, yeah, I was going through a lot, you know, and it was it was it was just it was a crazy time and I always wondered what my friends thought. I mean, you know, we just I mean like I said, I just thought you were excited about it and that, you know, in that excitement things happen and I want to throw this out there real quick just to show you. So one of my one of my first other Children's books, this gus the sports drink, you are, you are famous. I made you, I made you into a sports drink. I'm a sports drink. That was I kid you not, I wanted to make I wanted to put you in the kid's book and uh you were that person. So that's how much I think of you. Not, well I appreciate it man, but I did have him running to the refrigerator wall every every time they closed the door of the sports drink it's hitting the head. Is that go well, I can learn to laugh about it now, I think. But no, you know, but that's that's just kind of like life that you go through, and you talk about having adversity in your life and and things that you had to deal with. You know, I played another 10 years after that happened to me, and you don't let things get in a way um like that, and you you talk about that a lot and you you you you know, bring that up a lot that could have mold that could have molded you to where you got so depressed that you didn't want to play, and it could have just ended your career. And so, you know, kudos to you that you persevered on. Uh It happens, it did happen, and I'm glad you can laugh about it still quite stings a little bit, but but it was a moment that really on my side, man, I probably would have done the same thing is just, you know, that one in one million times that somebody would have got hurt doing it because they're like, if you would have done it the whole stadium probably, yeah, wall would have exploded. And I gave you the ball. Yeah, me. You know, I'm just, I'm just a little lightweight and you had to bounce back, you know? But anyway, uh, no, I appreciate all that, man. Thank you so much. And I do appreciate you sent me a book. I think it was your latest book that you signed for me. I appreciate that so much. Thank you. Um, and so tell me about because you and I both play with Terry and I know you've always been very close friends with Terry. but how did you come about and say, hey Terry, I got this great book where you do the artwork, like just because you guys just sit down and chat about at one...

...time, you know, so so Terry was like super creative and oh yeah, you are too. I mean look at the paintings, you you were gonna be creative, right? So we would have conversation and and then the first book was originally, it was because of my oldest son Anthony. Uh he probably don't want me telling this. But oldest son, he you know, he came home one day and he's asking about you know, all these questions. And then I was like why do you want to know? And he's like, well you get to if you win this contest you get to be a cartoon on tv. But he said there were no brown characters. And so for me, I was like, God, I want my son to see himself see himself, excuse me see himself as a character. But I want any other kid to see himself as a character, you know, that's yeah. So I had, I had a couple of words, you know, I said, I wanted to do like a little hide and seek book. Uh, and here's the stuff told crews terry, that terry, I called Cruz told Cruz that and I was like, dude man, look, can you draw this? And he went home and just this amazing artwork. And I was like, and he, and he got it like sometimes you have to kind of, they said, you know, artists be like, well what do you want? He's like, okay here the words. And he just went home and did this artwork. And I was like, boom. And so we did him and we gave uh a bunch of them away. The Washington post printed up a bunch of them and we gave them away to kids in D. C. The early version. And then like 21 years later uh we redid the version and then we use the argument in reality. So how cool is that is so cool that what you thought was thrown away and turn it around again for you? All right. So, I also want to tell people like I want you to tell people how funny cruises. Yes. I mean that's what I remember him by in the locker room. That was like I was you know, I want to say like prison, but he was one like you can have physical strength. Like there was a fight. People probably come to me to protect them, but on on the on the joking on each other you know clowning each other. I wasn't I was a week cruise was the guy who was funny dog out people and would be it without cursing it was just so smooth with it. So like the personality that you see on tv is who he is you know people are like is he really like that, that's who he is and so we'll you know we'll call up each other now sometimes and it's just five minutes of just joking but that sometimes just just released right you get the joke, you get to laugh and then move on and so I tell brian all the time with the helmet. Nicholas. Yeah that's cool that we both remember it or he had a steep when he was talking about you know he was running and he had to go grill. Yeah and he said it must have been like a magnet if you run. I mean there was verne smith member Vern yeah, I can't, Everybody said about Vern Vern war like uh Oh yes. And we're like, yeah, like underwear. Yeah. Now Bryant was hitting threes. He was over three I think at the time. So yeah, some things you don't necessarily want to see in the locker room terry was all over that one. But it's like that's you know, if a locker room is kind of, you got groups, you know, you've got people, you got some people that joke a lot. You've got some people that are more kind of religious, you've got some people family and quiet. You know, we all have kind of our sections. But you need those people that can make you laugh because that, that makes the game fun. You enjoy going to work Well that's what I was talking to Bill Car right about. Is that our locker room? Like I, I love to make people laugh. I pull pranks on people and do things like that over my career. But I felt the same way like there's all these different groups, not because it was purposeful, it's just who you kind of fell in line with and you know, but when you laugh, everybody laughs, it's like you can't help it, right? You all get along. You get you make you laugh like sometimes, yeah, it's out of guys expense, but you know, but if the guy laughs too, you're only going to play that or say that to that person if you can't handle it. But I will say this and you you'll remember this mp Marcus...

...patent yeah. If you jump with him and he stopped laughing. We all stopped laughing. That was one guy when you know there were certain guys you never wanted to like kind of pick on a steady thing too. Oh yeah, I mean, I mean we just said, I mean I love his greatest guy around. I had a body like a greek God, I mean I thought I had a good body but just muscles everywhere and he would laugh and then all of a sudden he stopped and you're like, yeah, and then you just go in the weight room and start curling a bunch of weight right? And then just look at you like, yeah, you think about it, that's great, that's great. Now it was you know, we had a lot of good times man and so I appreciate you sharing some of your last with me, sharing some of your time with me. We don't catch up enough. But the great thing is Kenny is my daughter is moving to D. C. Yep she's she's gonna start her internship at Friendship Animal Hospital down by american University. She's moving in down there so I'm so excited and we'll be able to uh be down in D. C. And E. And I will be down there a lot so we do that and if she ever needs anything I mean we're here you know that's it's family, it's not even a question mark so please have heard, I don't know if you remember this but Annie and I talk about this when they when our kids were little and abby used to chase Marcus around. He will go back to your mama because she was always in love with him and she would chase them around. You know it would be it would be interesting and cool to get them all together again. We'll definitely we'll do that. We'll definitely we'll do that. I mean she's she's a doctor now. It's crazy right? How cool is that? Right? Yeah, good, good memories, good time. So yeah, definitely. Yeah, from that time I saw you with that hat on walking those ponies up and down my back yard and uh remember it happened for abby's like first birthday or something or one of her birthday's we had the horses come over. You don't remember? I'll bring you a picture really. You know what? You do stuff? I mean look, I would like you guys, I know you're like a little cowboy hat on. I think I kind of remember that love is a crazy thing man. You do a lot of you do a lot of funny things. That's cool. And then you had your little bulldog. Oh yeah, we've had we've been through so many dogs. We're like, we're like, yeah, we're on like our 100th dog, you know, we've been through a lot, but we tried to say we weren't gonna have animals anymore, but Annie and I are just animal people. Like, what are you gonna do? We rescue two more. Abby's our veterinarian. Hopefully someday we won't have any vet bills, but I doubt that's going to happen that. As awesome, man. Well, you know, look, it's been uh it's been really a pleasure seeing you once again and we haven't talked in a long time, like you said. And uh it's cool just to remember some of those great memories. I'm not ending the show for you, but uh you look, never watch. It's great. I like how you ended it though. It's like, it's like how I shut my guests up, right, and the show for me. I appreciate that. I remember when I, when I was younger in my house, around 10 o'clock, I'm like, look, y'all gotta, we can party all you want, but you point somewhere else, go looking on the lights and so you don't have to stop but you gotta get out of here. You know, that's my thing. It's time to go. Time to go. Can tell all of our audience and all of our fans how they can follow you and where they can find you. So I'm, I'm bad with social media, but you can, you can go to touching heart uh www touching heart dot com. That's a nonprofit that I work with. Uh, you can, you can look at my books, you know, if you go to ken harvey on amazon, you'll see some of my books out there. Uh and then uh, I forgot K. R. H. Company dot com also has a little bit of...

...information about me. So if you know, if you want to hunt me down and look at me or donate to the charity, then that would be awesome. And uh you know, life is an adventure and I'm just trying to yeah, enjoy it because I've had my ups and my downs, but I'm just trying to enjoy it and uh and do what I've been put on this earth to do. Well, I can tell you this that I've enjoyed my time with you today and you're an amazing person and I appreciate your friendship and, and I can't wait till my daughter gets down to D. C. Because I am, I'm just going to show up in front on your doorway and please don't have just a towel on. You know, if you show up I want, that's right. I'm just gonna call jazz before I call you then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, Janice. Abby needs her apartment all fixed up and taken care of. So she's an interior designer. So I know she is, I know she is, I follow her in jewels. So Hey buddy, man, I appreciate you. Thank you so much for joining me today and we'll have to do it again and I'm just waiting for you to come out with your podcast. You know what? I had one for a minute and it takes a lot of work. It's uh, you know, you realize it takes a lot of work dedication and you have to be good at it. So I appreciate what you're doing next time. Have your wife on the podcast with you. So you will see you guys, but thank you for having me on. This is fun. And look forward to seeing you in person. Yeah, definitely, definitely. So check out everyone. Check out Kenny. Uh, yeah, I think it's, what is K R H K R H company Touching heart, W W touching Heart Foundation, uh, donate. Go to amazon. Check out this awesome books. And uh, we'll see this real quick. I'm saying this real quick. You're one of the few people that can call me Kenny. I don't let most people call me. So only, you know, only my really good friends can call me Kenny. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's good. No, I appreciate with you. It means a lot. But you know, some people when they, when they get in a conversation and they may hear you call me Kenny. Then they called me kid and you're like, whoa Channel. All right guys, I didn't call him Kenny. It was ken. All right. So anybody out there, you see him? Don't call him Kenny. Don't don't call him Kenny. You can do it. He's a lot bigger than you don't call him Kenny, Kenny, ken. I appreciate you man. And uh, I just want to tell, make sure you give chance a big hug for me out. Diana, you said hi and all our fans out there. Please go follow Kenny. Check out what he's doing. A touching hearts donate. Help him out. He's a great human being. And you want to hear about his life story because something about his life is going to help you in your life. So, thanks for joining us on huddle up with Gus. Thanks to Sounder. FM. Thanks to 16 31 digital news studio for letting us use your studio and I want to thank Manscaped. Go to Manscaped dot com. Put in my code. Gus Frerotte, all caps. That's G U S F R E R O T T E and get 20% off and free shipping. Thanks again. Check us out at huddle up with Gus. Thanks again to ken, harvey check them out at K R A H company. Uh, touching hearts, We appreciate you can have a great day everyone and we'll talk to you soon. And that's a wrap sportsman. Thanks for joining in the fun at the 16 31 digital studios for another. Actually, huddle up with Gus featuring 15 year NFL quarterback. Gus Theron, huddle up with Gus is proudly produced by 16 31 digital media and is available on apple music.

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