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Huddle Up with Gus

Episode · 1 year ago

Ken Davidoff

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

New York Post baseball writer Ken Davidoff joins Gus and Dave in the huddle! Davidoff talks about how he got into sports and some of his favorite baseball memories. Furthermore, listen to his opinions on controversial MLB issues such as a lack of a salary cap and if they should ban the DH or expand it. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome everyone to huddle up with Gus,where we talk to our guests, about how sports shake their life. I'm your hostGuss Forott fifteen year, NFL quarterback and I'm joined by mylongtime friend and cohout Dave Hager. You can now find us, under the big topwith the sports circus and ring master Sou. Look for us on MTV, a MP tvcom. We want to another edition to huddle upwith Gus, I'm your host Gustperad, I'm usually joined by my longtime friend,and COS DAV ager. But as you can see, Dave's not here, we are all having alittle bit of trouble with Skipe, but maybe Davidw chime in later. But we arebrought to you by RADIOCOM and RADIOCOM sports. You can find us on the newRADIOCOM APP and also we are under the big top at the sport circus, Woilh Sou,the ring mask you could find us there and on MTV on hotel television. Sothanks for joining us today we got a great guest Ken David off he's. Awriter for the New York Post writes about the Yankees and Major Leaguefaceball, and I'm really excited to find out what he thinks of my favoriteteam, the Pittsburgh pirates and also you know what is the future of mlvafter this. I don't think anyone knows, but it's going to be great to hearisopinion. So can thanks for joining us today. How are you doing in this wholesituation, I'm doing as well as possible GUSS.Thank you. Thankfully, my immediate family is healthy. Do U Know Fairamount of people Ho hve been afflected by this coronavirus and it's prettyawful, but I'm happy to enjoin you and then was a fan of yours going way back,I think we're around the same age. I think we are right around tha sunnynine we're both twenty. Yes, yes, you're. Twenty nine looks way betterthan my twenty nine. So speaking about go way back, tell usabout where you grew up and how you fell in love with sports in general yeah. I grew up in Edison New Jersey.Definitely a huge sports fan growing up. I would n the s the Yankees NFL wise, where Igrew up in the late s: early hties the jets andgiants Bote stunk, so we all chose either the cowboys or the steelers. Ichose the cowboys and yeah. Those were my loves as a kid and then whathappened as I got older, I began to love, writing and- and I became veryentried by journalism now, if you, you know, asked me what what I love aboutmy job, it's not the sport utst the journalism right right. So when youwere growing up as a kid in Edison, did you have a big neighborhood go outside?I mean road bikes. Everybody played what were you? What were some of thesports you played as a child yeah, so we definitely played baseballin our backyard. You know using probably tennis balls, maybe racketballs. When yeah we plut a tackle football, aswas the style at the time. Righ, I'm sure I got a concussion receives ooddidn't know it. We didn't call them concussions back then just felt dizzyfor a little bit yeah and we Hadi had a basketball goupon my driveway. I that we would play you, know: Half Court basketball so andI was on a bowling league. I played an a soccer league, so definitely love playing sports. WhenI was a kid you know, one of the things about, I think the kids miss today isis when we played. I did all the same things right. I grew up in small townup out in Fort City, Pennsylvania, wrode, our bikes. We just went aroundand got everybody. Nobody called. We just went knocked on doors and welearned how to swing, how to throw how to shoot. Do all those things on ourown. You know we ddn have some caeazy coach, your dad was there, but you knowhalf time your dad didn't know anything, and you know we all kind of learned howto manage all those scenarios, how to manage the team, how to pick playersand and and work through, like crazy situations, and I think that when Ilook at a lot of players today, they've...

...never really done that. You know theydidn't grow up. In that era we did, and so it's just always, there's alwayssomebody there. I mean you know how it was. If there was a skirmish thathappened, you just let it happen, then you move on and just kept playing yeah! No there's! No doubt things havechanged dramatically. I have a one child, a sixteen year old son. Heplayed travel baseball, he does. He had was going to play juniversity tennis,most likely before his school got, shut down. Al Right, but yeah times havechanged and in this regard, yeah I'm not sure how much for the better ingeneral, I am a progressive guy, I'm not one to lament the olold days, but Ido a gray on this one, but no. I am too I'm very progressive in that andthinking about all that, but I just go back to the fun. I had you'r right whenyou're, with your buddies all day and you're going to play, and you know thenine o'clock whistle's going to blow in you better, be home, or else your Dad'sgoing to be waiting for you. You know things like that. I just think that youknow I'm not saying I want to go back to those days. I'm just saying that Ithink our kids missed some of that, like that kind of what we had thatfreedom that fun yeah. I agree. Actually I'm Primarahomeers in Manhattan, so it's a little different dynamic. You know my son doesn't go outside and playedsame way that you and I did at at that age but yeah I see where you coming from yeah. Youknow I just talkd to Billy Garren last week and billy was talking aboutgrowing up in Massachusetts. He goes yeah, we had a manhol cover that washome plate and we had a sewer on Dhe Wright and the Suer on the left. It wasfirst and third and then we just put something down for second base and wewe play all day and, like you said it was Andy, any kind of thing you couldhit my dad used to bring big piece of felt home from Ppg the factory and wewould play fill ou all the time. So you know it was just everything I just lovesports and just growing up, you know, and so did you have a favorite playerlike when you stepped into the batters box? who were you that's a great question? So I remember when I for literally got a wear numberfourteen in honor of Lu, Panella right and then, as I got a little older, Don,madinle and Dave winfield became my my go to guys. I was alrighty hatter, so II would only emulate maddingly if I was jokingaround and switched to the left side yeah. Those were my guys. Oh yeah, Ican imagine an mine. was I just because I loved his free hitting routine was Willie Stargel,you know being a pirate fan. I mean. How could you not offthis with the bigwindmail and Backin with he mat yeah? Oh man, he was Gour Dave Parker, I meanthose were my guys. I mean obviou yeah, like you said in the S, Pittsburgh washappening with sports yeah. Those were glorious times. Iremember what I think the one year will awe start on. Terry Brasha were sports,wols trades, CO, men of the year right yeah, because at the steelers an thepirates won it all in the same year that that must have been prettyphenomenal yeah. I would love to see like if, if Willie could throw upfootball like terrier, if Terry could hit a baseball like willy, I don't know either one,but so you go on you go through. You knowall these things that you play Little League Baseball and yea yeah, so I meanthose times for me were fun. I mean I love those times and you know thosewere kind of things that you just keep moving on. What high school did you endup going to? I went to JP Stevens High School andAdison New Jersey, Nice, and so did you continue sports going in through highschool? I was not as talented and probably notas hard workingras intelligent as you guys I, my career, stopped at age fifteen. WhenI aged out of Litte League. I was not...

...good enough to play high school sports,so I guess that's why I write right but right. Well, the great thing is, youcan keep writing. I am done playing sports, so my pyramid went real high, real fastenand sharply down. So Yours, yours is still rising so, which is great, so yougo into High School Soe. You R were you writing for the school paper. How wereyou going Atero, yeah, Ro sports for the school paper and Gosh? What else did I do? Yeah S my primary activity? attherschool autivity, the school newspaper we came out once every two months, orso you know, but I used to. I was a sport setter my senior year and I yeah.I knew it a pretty young age hat. This is what I wanted to do so did. Did yourhigh school have some big sports accomplishments when we were there, youknow winning states, or you know all that stuff at was your favorite articlethat you wrote on Your High School Hayour first question: We had anexcellent football team, my freshman year, when I was actually in themarching man, so I went to all the Games. homemen rode as part of that we finish number two in the state inthe Pole of the Star Ledger, which was the number one newspaper New Jersey,and we had a kicker punter who wiund up playing for Pitt. So we we had sometalent on that team. As for my favorite article, a buddy ofmine, every I think my last two or three years we write we called sportsrap. That was kind of a tradition. You know it was really just a bunch ofquestions about sports and it could just you know, all kinds of stuff. Youknow why don't the Rangers fire their general manager, you know ts all overthe map and just just quick, quick, quick, quick hits, and that was alwaysmy favorite thing to write. Oh yeah, that would be you know, mine would belike is wwe real hold on. I think Dave's trying to callus, let's see if we can merge them in real, quick. Let's see if this willhappen there, he is ae on guys, I'm so sorry. This was a I' like to blame, O the corn teeking,but I think it was this yeas or air. So so can we're all the same age. Dave isa little bit older than you and I Dav it Ay nice to meet you you too, but ifthere's a more technically challenged than all of us, it might be Dave at heslearning, Tho Yo learn itis rough start, so Dave we've been through Kanza we'vebeen through Kensa kind of childhood into high school. You know sportsetters editor when he was a senior a writer and now we're getting to figureout Weis college we're going on to iscollege today. So to Ken. Where did you go to end up going to college? And whydid you choose it? I attended the University of MichiganGus and Dave. It was pretty simple, really the best school I got into bestreputation and I for sure love the idea of going to a big school that had bigtime sports and I wanted to cover those sports for the. U K W for the schoolnewspaper Wow was that a big I mean from Edison New Jersey to Michigan. Imean that back in the day, that's kind of so far good good distance away fromhome yeah- and I was you know I kind offelht like and I had a wonderful upbringing. I love my family, I'm stillvery close with my family, but at age. Eighteen, I was ready to spread mywings and go further from home, just just kind of plant, my flag somewhereelse, and you know a fresh start. If you well and that's I've. Never hesitated in that regard ofgoing out there and it's still the best four years of my life now pardon me guys. Since I was latejoining Gus, did you ask Kennit? He played wiffle balls, a kid. I did not...

...because what that's that's one of ourroot questions can, and especially like people are Je, was kind of that was arude sport. Did you play in Edison New Jersey, wiffleball yeah? I definitely played my share WILFfaball day, but Ik Hav dusn. I were discussing we we played a lot with likewooden bats and either a tennis ball or a racketball. My Dad actually was a wasa big racqetball player. My Dad actually started the trend ofrackuetball birthday parties for me and my friends, so we often use a rackuetball which,obviously you could make it fly pretty far, what you kind of truns into ahomer on Derby at that of course. Yes, a the best right, you know you up thereto hit looping doubles down the line you putting it over the neighbor Houteexacty yeah. I mean that that I always love playg with the tennis ball. Justjust just because you could smash ind be a lot of fun and you were't going tobreak any windows, that's true, very true yeah, so so you're at Michigan. Soyou 've. Always you wanted to be a journalist. Probably from the time youwere. You know you talked about from the time you were little. Did you go right in like Di you tooksome prereqquisits and then just said? Okay, I'm going right. Did you dive inright away to journalism school or how did that all work? For you yeah, it'sfunny my freshman year. I was just for whatever reason I couldn't get my acttogether and I went them around with to the school newspaper, probably two orthree times, but just kind of hung out, didn't, really stick and then and asoft. The start, O Sophomore Y, said okay enough. Forrenny like this is whatyou want to do. Please get your right together and I did and I started goingand you know you start low on the you know on the hierarchy and I rride myfirst beat for the Michigan Student Newspaper was intramural sports. So Icovered like intermural sports, and I interviewed guys and- and I worked myway up and I worked my wob son my senior year, Icovered the men's basketball team, which was the Fab five the year orChris Webber called the time out when we had no time out against NorthCarolina. So I covered that season. I was I was at that game and not only wasthat a trip to cover a lot of fun but professionally, it was just tremendouspreparation and really, I think, gave me a leg up when I started applying for jobs you O,because they saw the experience I'd already accumulated Im Ken who's, yourfavorite Fab, five member- and I would have said this even a yearago, Joan Howard Joon was the nicest of the five, in my opinion, just a realsweet guy and a terrific player and the one I probably knew the best of thefive at that point, and and what woul Behald now is the our basketball coachand doing a great job. How were those guys like? Is it as astudent reporter? Did they give you the time you're? Looking for versus someonefrom USA Today or like how did ID was it definitely a difference in theirattention toward you? Well look if someone parachuted in fromsay, USA Today they understood what that meant a D, as did the mediarelation staff right and they're going to direct the player. Okay. This isimportant, but I always felt like they gave he. The student newspaper, therespect, a good level of respect, and I nicerelationships with all all five of the fave five orall, the rest of the team,as well as Steve Fish ar te coach. I you know Hen aget were students weregenerally idiots, but they nevertheless theater is pretty nicely Steve. Fisheralways sounds seemed like a really friendly guy to me from the outsideYeah Steve Fish, er iminto. His whole story is fascinating. Yeah, I don'tknow. If you guys know you know he became the head coach right, Beore, R,one thousand nine hundred and eighty...

...nine big dance march madness, becausehis boss bill freeder got fire because he had accepted a job after the seasonwithout Arizona State, so Bachem backlor WHO's. At that point, ourathletic director fired freeder like two days before the tournament and theyFishin the head coach, and then we wont it all. We won the championship, so itwas an insane beginning for Fisher. O was, you know, just generally ke anintrospective reserve guy, so when he got the Fab Five, I think that was achallenge for him to deal with that increased spotlight and I alwaysthought he conducted himself in very kind and decent manner. But you couldsee he didn't really enjoy that kind of platform. And if you follow the rest ofthis career, you want of getting fired from Michigan because hors someindiscretion and he had a great run, an San Diego State. You know a lowerprofile school and help he has taught about it like that. He considers thathis crowning moment is his success with San Diego State Yeah. I I almost went to Michigan Myself. I was getting recruited heavily by them.Cam Cameron was the quarterback coach and I thought it was going there forsure and they got another courtback. I can't remember it would have beeneighty nine who the quarterback was they would have taken, but you know he said later. He became my quarterback coach at the Redskins whenthey draft right- and I said what happened man I wanted. I was AL readyto go to Michigan. You know bond gold and ready to go and- and he said well,we got you know there are three of you. We were going after and the one kidcommitted and that's who we took and we kind of dropped, the other two and I'mlike h. So I end up going to University of Talsa was a little bit differentfrom from like twenty five housand students to twenty five hundred. I will say I gos whotever that wasdidn't, never really landed, because ls gorback was the quarterback for thenext four years for a hour. You know four from eighty nine to ninety twoyeah and he so I don't I' yeah. I gess remember who that was yeah, I'm notsure who it was. But it wasn't me, that's all I know butcas can you came off the bench forthe FIP Fab? Five, I'm trying to remember like how deep were they well, the number one name who shouldregister for you was rob Powinka nowde general manger, O the Lakers. You know he was a successful age with emany years, Kobe Bryant's agent and any transition to general manager of theLAKER. So Yeah Rob was like a long distance through point shooter guy, hewas solid. There was a Guy James Voscow, like a powerforward Tiep towuld, get inthere and get some rebounds and we had a center Eric rily, who spent thelittle time in the NBA he was. He was a good guy to give give Jewana blow andthen the other bench guy was Michael Tally. Really talented guy out of highschool didn't really pan out, as he hoped that he might be most famous nowfor being the one guy who clapped when Weber called the time out. Everyoneelse knew that T at we didn't have any time out: SLE potallic right as soon af.You Watch it thirty for thirty you'll. They break that down pretty prettythoroughly the offacial expressions are class, a classic not being a vicianTaut. I mean when the time ots called, if you just when they pa a DAC- it'slike, Oh, my God, so you so Kan you're in the big tenMichigan has tons of sports. Probably when we were in school, I don't knowhow many women's sports right was title nine in yet oh sure, yeah yeah, so itwould have been so you were covering. So did the school tell you like: Hey wewante to cover men's and women, so just cover men's. What was your primary? Whoyou were covering? Well the paper we cover all you knoagain, I started intramurals, and so we covered everything, includingintramurals, so yeah I covered women's basketball. I covered softball, whichhas been very, very successfor a long...

...time now we still have the same coachnow that we did back then Carol Hutton she's, one of the most accomplished:Softball coaches in college, softball, history, so yeah we dont. Look we interms of traveling with the team covering road games. It was footballmen's hoops and ice hockey men's ice hockey, occasionally womens whooped. Ifthey were good enough but yeah in terms of covering home games, we made it apoint. I think they still do now to cover everything yeah, because big ten I mean you plaingevery sport wrestling on down to you know you guys just have a limited fund,so you can play every sport and haw that had to be kind of fun. So when youwere covering Wolverine Baseball, what was that like for you? Because it didn't seem like compared to you-know the Fab five and wovering football? What was baseball ligkht covering foryou and did you just have a love for it? That you could write about in a certainway? was that like Jim Abin area or no, I runo okay sowus be funny the FunnyStory About Michigan Baseball, my freshmaneer, I arrive on campus, the FEo one thousand nine hundred and eighty nine, just like you gus right, yeah,fellive, eight, O Nine Start Your college and probably, I would say,October of that year it comes out big scandal. Baseball players have beengetting paid because we had this great run. As you mentioned, Dave Jim AbbittBarry Lorkan Chris Sabo Hol, Moris Steve How all these very talentedplayers and turns out to many of them eregetting paid so that that that era of success ended and the coach got fired.We hired a guy bill, freehand very good Catra for the Tigers way back when inthe s right it he took over. So I I never actually covered the baseballteam during my time there, but we were pretty bad just because we had, youknow, been Putin the penalty box. Oh yeah o hear about that very often thatyou know it illegal payments to baseball teams. You know they haveunusual. They, the players would drin on FootballSaturdays. The players would sell programs to the game, stand on thestreet. Everyone walks ot the football stadium there, the big house, and theywould sell the programs and pocket the money that was their you know. Sothat's why they got in trouble. WOW, Hey! We want you to come to Michiganand sell programs. You get to keep all the money how's that so hundredsand customers, possibly yeah. So if you'R, if you're good at selling,you might make a lot of money tfunny, that's Pretty Funny Start Your Day,sunny signe up at the Westen bondaventure hotel and sweets and enjoybreakfast for two on us, no matter how you plan to spend your trip to LosAngeles start every day with a hearty meal to kick start your morning enjoybreakfast for two on US each day. You stay for reservations, be sure thatPRIMOCODE S for b appears in the Promo codebox when making your onlinereservation at Mariottcom BACKSA LAX, bw or call one eight hundred Tu wo,eight hnnine, ty hudred, a d ninety and ask for Promotional Code Sfor B. So then you're at Michigan, so did yougever get to be the F for your student paper in Michiganwhereyoever, the the editor, the top guy? I was one of them, a wasn't the numberone, but I was one of the one of the top people there so yea again it was.It was really a lot of fun, very formative for me and, like I said Rigtwhen I applied for my first real jobs, I sawl rigt. Here is the article Iwrote the night, the Chris wever called the time out. I wrote on the sameprofessional circumstances and deadlines as any other professionalwriter, and you know, thankfully,...

...someone bought into that and hired meright. So you know for me going from playingfootball and college and then going on and getting into the draft and going tothe combine and those things you know I kind of knew that world Ididn't know the other world is like once college is over. It's over, I kindof stayed in my same field. I imagine a little bit that's what what it was likefor you, where you had to put out your resume, put out your work and and howmany different papers and people did you apply to. Oh Gosh he's probably fifty to ahundred really yeah and it was rough time getting that first job, butI found an opportunity to a parttime job, very close to where I grew up inNew Jersey live with my parents. They were kind enough to put me up because I surea heck wasn't makingenough money to pay my own rent. So I got some plenty of breaks along the way, but yeah I didn't get my first fulltimejob. A A sports writer until about three years after I graduated collegeand t were, was that that was at the Burgen record in New Jersey, probably the second or third largestnewspaper New Jersey. They were, they were legit. You know they had a reallynice staff and I was able to climb the ladder there from covering high schoolsports. To being there Yankees be writers. That was a a nice fortunate run. I had there Ohwow, so you went straight from high school to Yankees, beat writer. Well,no Thuckriv took me about four years to climb that ladder. You know from highschools the small colleges, the bigger colleges to what we call General Simon.You know just covering all the sports and then the Yankees. What was thatfirst day like as the beat writer for the Yankeeswalking into their locker room? And do you remember it? You remember thespecific person Yo spoke to or the scenario well by the time I got thebeat job I'd already been covering games for a few years. You know like asa backup to the beat writer okay mean. I remember my first crimer, don't knowthe first day, but my first year covering baseball, I was twenty fouryears old, definitely very intimidated to stand in that room with all thoseguys and what they had accomplished. And I remember I yoknower Bret SabrHagin, the Pitcher Yeah, Oh yeah, yeah to time sin or oner, so he he was alittle tricky, and so I had to ask him something. So Ikind of tiptoed up to him and he looked at me smiled and he said what hitworking up the nerve to talk to me, and I laugh this- I pretty much yeah W he,he laughs, e's like what he need. You know he was so ho was in a good mood atthat moment, but yeah now I was certainly intennatimidating as a young man and being in that environment. So what was it? Whatwas that year then? As that, like ninety five or no, that that was ninefive? Ninety five was the first year I covered Majoye Baseball Games. Whatwere the Yankees like in ninety five, I'm trying to remember the Yankee will the Yankees Ninety fivewas their first year back in the playoffs, since oe thousand ninehundred and eighty one that ended their drought. I actually covered more metsthan Yankees that year, but yeah yeah, the Yankees werestarting out there. That was the ear the Jeeter Pasada Petit and rever alldebute in ninety five, so that was a pretty important year in the teams.histor yeah e Big Year really bi started nice time to get that gig Alright yeah it was yeah wow yeah, so he you're covering the Yankees. Didyou ever interview, Mr Steinbrunner? I did yeah, you know that was so thatwas Georgea's last run of you know, success and from everyone. I've spoketow as a little less crazy those years, but he was still very high energy and Ithink he would occasionally when he was a good mood. He would joke around withthe media people. You Know Ho like to put a couple of us in headlocks o nowjust a playful manner, and you know...

...when he was in a bad mood. You had tochase thim down, you know, and you know it was it was. It was like keystone cop,sometimes just just you always had to be aware of where he was because younever knew when he might say something, and there were plenty of days when Ihad to call him and he was in his office in Tampa and you just pray forthe return call some days. Youcu get it some days. You wouldn't Bu. One of mycompetitors would and then I would be miserable the next day was he an oner that spent a lot of time mingling with the players like kind oflike a Jerry Jones or, like you know like that, that type of character, YoYeah George, was absolutely like Jerry, Jeo and George love being you. He wasjust a very hands on person as a boss, an an owner, and then he you know hehad a somewhat athletic background, and I think he was an assistant coach. Ithink I purdue and he he just really revelled in beingaccepted by the athletes, and it was very even though at times he would getinto to screaming match wit with them and D, give them pep talks, and youknow trade them release them fire them. It was very important for him to beconsidered one of the guys in that clubhouse yeas super competitive right.Wasn't he? Oh, my bat yeas T's, very competitive? Yes, so you know in baseball. I was friendswith when I lived in St Louis with Chris Carpenter and been in the lockerroom at the cardinals a few times and it's kind of seen it's just a wholedifferent vibe than the NFL I've been in a in hockey locker rooms. You know,there's just so many games and it's just like such a routine that thoseplayers have and do you fit right into that routine because of a hundredeighty games and you ju, you know what I mean: it's just it's just crazy: how like or how's that routine for you every day,Yeah Gosh, that's a great question, because I see that I remember when Iwas a young reporter, just how exhausted I was by the end of the yearI rmere my my first guys in Yankees beat wridter Wi, one thousand ninehundred and ninety eight, which is one of the best. You know the ankees puttogether one of the best seasons by any team in baseball history. They want ahundred fourteen games, they won the world series and that world seriesended. They swept the sandiegopadres. I was in San Diego and it wasn't you knowI didn't feel any fan Joe. I'm glad I didn't. I shouldn't have not a fananymore, but I didn't even get any professional juice out of covering thishuge story. I was just worn out broken down and I remember I said I well nowthat I've been through this once next year, I'll be better prepared for I howto handle the grind of the season and yeah. Of course, it's it's a differentgrind, n than the ball players and the way they have to stay in shapephysically, but I just learn how o how to how get myself, how to navigatemyself through? What is your right, wer there's a very long Rhyne of thebaseball season and whether that's you know, I made sure to hit the gym moreoffan try to eat a little better in those younger days. For me, I could goout at night and pound a few beers now general. I do not when I'm on the road.I really just got to go to sleep when I get back to my Otel Room and and get upreal in the next day and hit the gym, but yeah there's no doubt that, justjust as an athlete improves or Sul improve on his routinewith time. The same goes for a sports reporter. I bet the road trips werepretty interesting too, because there's such a wellknown team with such afollowing. I know I'll use Pittsburgh as an example which is like theopposite of the Yankees I realized, but when they in the in the every fouryears or whatever, when they when they come to Pittsburgh, it's like theplayoffster here, because the Yankees Antow you know in the by no way ofarrivals Righ, I tgot it's just like a real buzz. Is that like that on theroad somewhat like? Where there's just so many people, no telll waiting forthem and everything else, yeah? No doubt about it, Dave, I don'tnecessarily stay in the same hotel as the Yankees or the mets. Every time Itravel with those guys- but I just I...

...know enough and talking to people- andI occasionally do- share a hotel them yeah, it's a scene. You know they havetwo security guards with them at all times on the road to manage that thatbuzz that scene, you know to clear a path for them as they're getting on thebus to go to the stadium, and you know to try to keep them out of as muchtrouble as possible, so as much as you're on the road. Your content thatyou create is that you saying sometime, it's just whathappens up during the game or an offfield situation. How much of it doyou create and saying? I think this would be a great story. You know I meanbecause there's it's a lot, there's a lot of content coming at you and how doyou figure that out yeah? There is no you're right, GOSSOMEDAYS! The story is on the field, it's very simple and- and you don'twant to you- know you don want to overcomplicate things, but especiallyin baseball where there are hundred sixty two games. You can't treat everygame like its life or death, like you might, for a football game wit, sixteenright so yeah. It is important to find different angles to write about someoff the field stuff. All right here is what they're looking at in the trademarket you know here is here's. What's going on in the clubhouse with this guy,so yeah you definitely you have to mix it up, you're doingyour your audience af disservice if every day you're just writing offthingang. Oh my God, what a you know what a terrible pitching performance byGarret Col! You know: What are they going to do with this? You know if he,you know if he only e was mediocre, you know and and he had pitch Gradeis lastthree times you can't overreact to the daily events of baseball. So it is itvery important to bring that perspective and bring something else tothe party. Do you do you then write about all of Major League Baseballwithin that I would assume like not just always about the Yankees. You gotto write about everything. Yeah I mean my job. Title is baseball colunist andwhat that entails is writing about all of Major League Baseball withanemphasis on the Yankees and mets. You know I rive for the New York Post,where largely New York audience so and that's what our audience primarilywants to see. So I write, let's say seventy five percent on those two teams,maybe even closer to eighty five percent and then the rest about theindustry. Andcan. You know, Wone, O specific team is interesting enough.The Red sock or the nationals or the phillies then ill, all rit about them.Do you think you didn't mention the pirates I didn't mention that that wasnotthat was an active decision on my part, yeah yeah, not many peoplemention the pirates. Anymore abut. You know what's interesting. One question Ihad for you was, if you think it back to all the incredible players that hiveever played this game and where the money is now. You know, I think,obviously, some of the guys that are making a lot of the money now they'rethey're very good players, but I look back at the old days and andt the people that were really good players. Do you think if you go back and think about all theamazing players, do you think there's a player in there that if they wereplaying today, they would be a billion dollar player? I mean we're half a million now woll. Look I've been a we want. I goall way. The Back Da Bruce, but you know Mike Trout to me, isprobably, if not already on his way to be one of the thatst ten players of alltime. My Troud is ust ridiculous phenomenal and he is what I think he makesprobably about thirty five. Thirty six million dollars a year o this currentcontract- and I think, is current commitment with the angels- is aboutfive hundred million. So I'm not sure if anyone would quite get to a billion,I would say the babe would exceed trout, but you know and...

...woi maze, Hank Aron, those guys what as well but not too many woodvalet stay and play on your next get away to Los Angeles. The Westernbonneventure hotel and sweits offers effoliss access to all the city ofangels has to offer whether you're hoping to catch a concert or sportingevent. Our hotels just moments away from all the action and accessible toHollywood, beaches, museums and theme parks. The package includes a guestroom and valet parking for reservations, use promocode PSF in the codebox whenmaking your online reservation or call one two on three six: Two four onethousand and ask for Promo Code: PS, F, yeah. I you know Falway in there whowas a mickey mmicky meal. That's right! That's finesure, sure yeah, yeah hat it. As you know, I think, Gus.I wanted to kind of pick your brain a little bit about the pirates, but I almost feel like backing off at thispoint. What do you think guys? No, I mean, Ithink, that you know we kind of understand the pirates. Youknow, there's there's not a lot of dynamics going on we've traded away,all of our good players and we kind of just keep bringing people up throughthe system if they get good, they end up going away like Garret Col, like youmentioned, Likei, like Hos of that Sorrye. No, I'm just saying you know wedo well with them for a little bit and then they get too high priced and theymove on, and I think we suffer as fans because of all that. Well, yeah canlike what you know we're at one of the smallest markets at least payroll wive, actuallymetricalnarea, that's arguable but you're in the biggest market.What's your opinion from someone who's, an expert in the big markets on thoseteams that are crying for revenue sharing and that kind of stuff yeah look: There's baseball is the onesport out of the four major North American Leagues. It does not have asalary cap and I understand the frustrations of a pirates fan of acandas city. Royals Fan. I think those are very fair complaints andfrustrations, and I think you know they have tried to even the scales with, asyou said, revenue sharing the luxury tax and those have helped a little bit, and I think what we've learned aboutyou know. The revenue sharing electric tax have been in playow for aboutalmost twenty five years, and what we've seen is teams like the piratescan succeed, but they have, they might have to go through ebbs and flows Y. Uknow they get windows of opportunity that they can't necessarily keep openfor an extended period of time. What we saw with the pirates. With this run,they had with Neil Huntington as a general manger, an Clint hurtl as themanager they made the playoffs three straight years. I think it was thirteenfourteen and fifteen and they weren't able to get even asfar as the championship series and they didn't expand their payroll enough,whether that was I they ere educed it. They actually reduced it. Not during that stretch right afterwell in fifteen. It actually want to doubt they didn't wo, did it yee, maybedroppe seven million or something off the fifteen pay roll as they're. Goinginto sixteen, I mean it's, it's the opposite of what I mean. You know,there's no window, there's the small swindof opportunity and no marginaerror, and they you know theyre, they make any move at all thet. Just Ithink people. You know, obviously very disheartened, but it's getting to thepoint now, it's even with the whole new managementand throughout the whole front office. No one cares and that's just a reallysad thing. You know: There's no zero excitement, not yri yeah, and I totallyget that day. That's very fair, I think...

Wel, I think Ben Charrincon, a verysharp guy. He had an interesting run as the REDSOX general manager made. Somereally good moves also made some really bad moves. Dereck, Shelton, the newmanager, I think, Itas a terrific choice. I mean a really I'm just yourtextbook background of managing the Minor Leaves Coaching in the BigLeagues, great people, Skills Very intelligent, very progressive in termsof as willingness to use, analetics and we'll see it we'll see. If you know ifthis group does put a good team together Dave, I would hope that youwould get interestin again. You and your fellow fans and we'll see thistime if they can finish the job. You know the obvious contract of thepirates are the royals who had that little run in two thousand, a fourteenand fifteen made the playoffs twice made the world series both years oneand world series that fly flies forever. They did increase the payroll they madesome go for trades in July, thei tradef prospects for Johnny Queto, the Pitcherfor Ben Zobris. You know those kind of trades yeah it there's a risk rewardcomponent to that, but man and they get the reward from that. Well, you know, and we have the fanbase here. That's not the problem right as Wev seen in Pittsburgh. If Ou, ifYouyou play well, the fans ran come out because we have the penguins and thesteelers who are in the same market. But you know obviously, with the salarycap difference they're able to bring some really good players in, and Ithink that's where you know the people get frustrated where we get a starterand he's gone in two years where he hasn't progressed, and so it's just it's just very hard to be apirate fan right now and but to be a major league baseball fan, it's reallygood, I think a lot of times. That's why I think Raberna Klemeni will never go away as being the super idol here inPittsburgh. You know just just because there's nobody ever going to take hisplace, yeah yeah and I hope for your guys,fake and I you know for the sports fate that the pirates do get back to theworld series, and you know I've been I've covered every world serie sinceninety eight and then I also covered ninety six. I've been to a lot ofdifferent locals for world series. I would love to go to a world series inPittsburgh because when you, when you had that dynamic like when Kansas Citygot their world series after so many years away, the town gets so excitedand it's so wonderful and the ballpark is just roaring and and rocking. So Ihope for your Guy's sake and for the city at Pittsburg fate that that thepirates do make another world series, and I think that would be good for thesport. Well, well, the thirteen wild card game you mentioned quata before,but when gin o drop the ball, I mean I've been to a fair amount of sportssuper bowls world series t that was the greatest in person moment. I've everwit is I've. Never seen fans react the way they reacted to that to the buildupof that game and then, obviously, during the game was crazy, but it justit actually makes it harder. As a really diehards and Tu see what couldbe- and you know it's, it might happen ten years from now. Again, maybe youknow the reality is quobly, not so who's. The one person that that younever got to interview that you always wanted to hmm really good question ealike wok, so youmean, like I came closeor just like in history. Well, no like not since you'vebeen writing since you've been yeah following baseball, Ryiv, never interviewed trout, one onone I' en dre them in groups. I love te to chat with him one on one,but iu Mike is not wile, not disrespect, bols or he'sa an introverted guy. You know not not doesn't take on an ambassador role like,like others, miht and that's, not a...

Chrisis. A mony think is a great guy.His was not his personality rh, so yeah I'd love to have like an extended oneon one with Mike, because people say only great things about him. So I'll gowith him. It'd be a good one to interview it can this, and this might be reallystupid question, but just not being a New Yorker. I was curious as to who is there a correlation between jets fans, giants fans, Yankees standsand Netcans? Are they all? Is it a cross between all of them o? Are theremore jet fans that are mets fans or is it? Is that something you can answer?Is it just random? It is something I can answer Dave Yeah, there's it's not a hundred percent but there'sclearly geographic, historical alignments between the Yankees andgiants and the jets and the mets, because you know the Yankees, theirfans tend to be New Jersey, Bronx Westchester and the same go for the giants. Youowgiants actually played in Connecticut for sometime now they play in Jerseyand the jets and the mets for many years share. Cha Stadium, which they'vbeen so queens line. When that fan base, and so yeah you off, you know Yan, it'snot one hundred percent, but most often you will see someone who is a jetsandmets fan and someone whos a Yankees and giants man jets and a mets fan. You I mean you'redrowling your sorrows, an awful lot. Well, how about Tebow? If you N Tibo,would become the first person ever to play for the jets and the mets if heever make make it up yeah, I know you might have to quit lifting a little bit.I think I think he's looking a little too poky. You gotto be a little flexible right. Idon't know any O can tipo hit a curve ball. No, I stood in so Chris carpetit was hurtand he was rehaving and I got this. I mean he's injured and he's coming backand I got to stand in home played trying to hit his just fastball and I'mlike man. How do you do this and then then then he throws he goes all right.I'm gonnt throw a little curve, Al Gass and I'm like. Don't don't t don't killme, I got don't want to die right now. You know, and it just comes in itbreaks, and it's just an amazing and he's Rehab and he's getting back tolike eighty five miles an hour. You know but he's six, six on the Moun andhe's just this big guy. I can't imagine when something's coming at you at ahundred miles an hour. You know- or you know, no one Ryan with the lake kickand everything it was just incredible. It is phenomenal how those guys can canreally pick that pitch out. So fast and understand what it is, and then youknow with all the Houston stuff that happened this year and also the clickeryeah, like that's amazing that that nobody picked that up, I mean I'm sureyou followe, that a ton, but you know if, if you're getting two bangs- andyou know it's a curve bowl, it's got to help hitters a lot, no doubt about it.Do you feel like they should have had more repercussions like more come onplayers and the coaches Anda ownership? carmically? Yes, but legally, no, notthe players. I do think I do that. The commissioner did a good job with that,because he, the players just by the letter of thelaw. They were never going to get suspended because the you know I don'tknow how closely guys followed the chain of events so into mid Septemberof two thousand and seventeen, the commission Er Robman for issues thismemo to general managers and manager. Saying okay from now on. No more ofthis crap with the you know the signstealing using technology, and ifyou use it, there's going to be penalties for the team. You didn't sayfom players, if for the team, including a loss of draftic, so we kind of laiddown the guidelines right there. So,...

...when the Astros violated thoseguidelines, he followed his own Membo, his own mandate, yeah. He took waydraft picks, in addition to the other suspensions for the leaders for themanager and Gentle Mander who who ignore those warnings, and he was never going to get to theplace where he got without Grankin the players immunity to tell the truthabout what happened. So I understand all the frustration that the playersweren't disciplined more heavily, but you know from a legal standpoint. Iunderstand- and I actually agree with it. Awso the the pirates actually swept theastras in Houston, eer, the. I think they were the only team to sweep him inused to that run, series yeah and- and I can't remember how often they changedthe signals. But you know there was rumblings about what was going on. Itmight have been more than once in aning. They changed the signal Soti we now,but I might have been coincence, but it came out all right. You know H, I waslike the brightst Plat for the mits last yeartalk about that like fiveyears from now. Remember that so so can one of the last things we dois we have what we call the no huddle? And you know we fire a bunch ofquestions at you. We have a lot of fun with it, so I'll do a little intro,bringiu in and and Dave always starts this off. So we want to thank everybodyfor joining us on huddle up with Gus, I'm here with Dave, my cohost and youknow we are on RADIOCOM. You can find us on the new RADIOCOM, AP or alsoanywhere you listen to your favorite podcast and today we are also broughtto you by the sports circus and under the big top of Soue Ring Master. We'vehad a great interview with Ken we're going to go into our no hubdle segmentnow so DAV fireaway. I can we're all at the same age and for me,like the Hay Day of baseball, I loved early s to like real early. If there's a element ofthat era, Ho baseball that you could bring back, what would it be? Uniforms love those uniforms andthankfully they still know lot of teams honor their own histories o thethrowback days and all that but yeah those ar uniform was potacular. So manygood uniforms, I mean Yi, think even NFL wives to I think, athe s uniforms were better than today'e UNIFRMS CA, ris, just a yes or noanswer should pete rose be in the hall of fame. Yes, I love it. I agree all I agree. I can what's yourbiggest as a fan, what was your biggest sports heartbreak? That's a really good question. It would have to be Michigan related. Ijust SI decide which one you know it might be the webber timeout, Ro yeah as the easiest answer. That would be all right: Kem. What'syour biggest pet peeve! Oh I 've! So many, oh, my God. Litstome go far away. Aha, a let's see having to repeat things youknow and to someone when I say something Os someone they don't absorbit or don't listen, and I have to repeat it: it's fright it's up thereright. Fifty percent of the players, yes gosh I'A, peop long talkers can't standlown talkers can't stand low talkers because I'mmeto I'm getting old. Like you guys at I'm hard of hearing right, let's see what my what else is my petpeeve? Oh Gosh, I could go on forever: Social Media, YEA E, I guess more than a pet peeve. You know just people who listen to whofollow someone, no matter what you know. Even if they disagree with the person,I guess idiogogus Ora Paye Mine. I guess that's the way of putting it...

...but yeah. Those are those ar a few thatthey stand out of e top of my head. I canhot the Mount Rush, Mor question foryou with a little twist Mount Rushmore of Yankees Without Aran, without a ring, wow o like that allright. Well, obviously, down Matdingway, that's an easy one! Wow without a ring. That's I'm just goingthrough the erors Yeahdonni was the best player that youknow. Eighty one did seven ty, Eighth D. Ninety six stretch wow. That is just an outstandingquestion. Trid I think Donnye is the only guy with his number retired, whodoesn't have a ring. You are just killing me here with thatquestion. That is a really good question. Well, just kind of thinkabout it. Come back to it. Yeu N, well, Wel Kewell, keep asking questions, butkeep that one in your all right. How about how about this? How about aneasier amount? Russimor question for Michigan Sports, while they were inMichigan, okay, coaches and players just playcroaches in Playergi, all right, so shem backmor, I would have to say Chris Weber. He was just that impactful, who else who else? Who else so abviouswe need a football player in there. I Gosh. Let's go with desman Howard.You know no NLET's make a Charles Wood ton because he want a championship andthe higesman and I'm trying to think. If there'slike some offbeat choice, I can have like some other sport. I mean Barry Larkin, BridaLackins in the baseball hll off fame. Oh yeah he'svery go Larkin, Woodson andwever. That's a nice forsum yeah, that's good!That's solid! What is the most exciting moment, the sporting event that you have everattent that you were actually there an didn't watch it on TV, but you were atthe stadium you've ever seen it like what was your the where you actuallywent out of your you know, because you say: You're not a fan, but there's gotto be a time and I've been with reporters up there in pressbox andthings where it happens, and it's just like the whole place erupts. What wasDi you ever have an event like that yeah. Well, it's interesting God,because I will I mean I will die on the hill of like I am not a fan like I'm.Just I am not. I am not IAM right and I really another pet peeve of mine is isjournalist, who are fans of the teams they cover or of any rooting interest.But I will say this: Iam a fan of the human race and Wen nineeleven hit know. I was justso devastating and I you O, I knew some people who were in the worldshadecenter and so that that baseball season, thelast two months you know when play Rezume was remarkable and the momentthat stands out the most to me was game. Five, that two thousand and one worldseries Yankees diamond, backs Yankees the previous night had one after beingdown to their last out Tino Martines, it's a gametime to her homer. Thenjeter hits a walkoff homer in the eleventh, I think, tenth or Elevenh, and then so then that's gamed four game.Five. They are again down to the last out runner on base and Scott Brociis.It's a gametime to run homer. I mean the place went so nuts it was soincredulous and just with the backdrop of nine eleven and what everyone hadbeen through and just the joy that people were feeling. In that moment, Iwill say I definitely allowed myself to ow emotionally, invest in that momentfor the good of the human race. No, I like the great answer I played the night before it happened. I weplayed. I was on the broncos and we...

...played the giants in Denver and o know that Ericas the giants wereflying home and it was all happening and it was yeah really crazy. It was mybuddy ed mcaffrey broke his leg. That game. I was going to see him the nextmorning. He calls me, and he says, Dude turn on the radio, and then it was just.It was absolutethy crazy. What happened, but that would g gave me chills whileyou talkingtoary well that that world seres also had the greatest first pitch by when Bush threwh thatperfect strike wherin that I es Thas. That was unbelievable. That's that was bat fir sitches. That was as good as itgets under the circumstances. It couldn't that's unbelievable. It wasphenomena. I was game three that was the first game at that Yankee Stadiumand then for me that was a president's grandest moment. President Bush, thatwas really spectacular. It was okay. If you could be a lead singer of any etshairband. What Fan Wul, I would say, white snake is here. I goyeah my own right, Oh yeah, it's a Withi, thatvde thyou till have er poster Dave. Isomewhere around here yeah. I think it's in the kids room somewhere, so Idon't haw where Tho Plitso, I love white snake theyere. They were awesome,my wife hates when I play them on our onour sound system here all right. What's your favorite sportsmovie, I wou a feel of dreams, just the magical nature of it, and justthat father son connection there and James Al Jones, aspeech and costers great so athletic. So I'd have to go with that nice allright, a Ar you all right. Are you okay? A Lot? This will be my last one for Ken.Are you prod for DH? I would yeah in a perfect world, I'mantid, but I don't lose any sleep over it. Fair all right last one can Wen in youropinion, is the baseball season going to resume and if it does, are we goingto play it all in Arizona? I am betting on no season guys. I justdon't see how we're going to do this. I think it's too difficult. There's toomany risks too many oblogistical horols to leap. So you know, I think, if wehave a normal twenty twenty one season, WEC should consider that a victory right. I Ho just wone more Ju, ribm Y he's been tinking. I gave it somethought. Okay, look! So all right, dom madally I'm going tocheat a little bit here, Mel Stadamier. He did win a few as a coach, but not asa player. So I think that I think it's fair to putthem on there. Yeah I'm going to put Aaron judge onthere because again, werehe's most of these guys do have rings and AaronJudge was a rookie of the year. So I think that's fair, and so I just needand I'll put Joe peppitone on there just because he wase such a character. That is a character. Well, Ken it wasawesome having you on and having you joined us and given us a little bit ofyour background and your success, an in everything you do in how sports reallyatributed. To that you know we all fall in love with it somewhere else. Im Wayand- and your story is wonderful- thank you for sharing it with those heythanks, Fr me guys as plugger me an bothe. Absolutely thanks Ken! I have agreat one kind. Thank you. Yo Gos Take Heur Dam Hascut lot of you, two...

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