Huddle Up with Gus
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Julia Landauer

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Julia Landauer is a NASCAR driver and 2-time champion from New York City. Since making history as the first and youngest female champion in the Skip Barber Racing Series at age 14, Julia has amassed dozens of wins in many different racing series. After becoming the first woman to win a NASCAR Track Championship at Motor Mile Speedway in her division in 2015, Julia graduated to the televised NASCAR K&N Pro Series West in 2016. She became the first woman to lead a lap in the Canadian NASCAR Pinty’s Series, and currently races in the NASCAR Euro Series. In 2017, Julia was selected as an honoree for the Forbes 30 Under 30 list in the sports category. Julia was also the only female member of the highly selective NASCAR Next class of 2016-2017. She is also part of the Global Shapers community, born out of the World Economic Forum. Julia graduated from Stanford University in 2014, earning a Bachelor of Science degree in Science, Technology, and Society. Julia has since purposefully built her brand where technology, community and racing intersect and fuse. During college Julia was a contestant on season 26 of CBS’ reality TV show SURVIVOR. It was also in college that Julia started her motivational speaking career with a TEDx talk and she is now a sought-after speaker for corporations, universities, and conferences, including Fortune’s Most Powerful Women. Julia also served as an external advisor to Hyundai Motor Corporation’s Center for Robotic-Augmented Design in Living Experience. As she climbs the NASCAR ladder Julia uses her racing platform to continue advocating for STEM education and women’s empowerment. She supports The One Love Foundation, which educates about healthy vs. unhealthy relationships, as well as The TechForce Foundation, which helps students find technical vocations. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to our PODCAST, huddle up with gusts, where we talked to guests about how sports helped shape their life. I'm your host, former NFL quarterback, gusts fraud, and I'm joined by my longtime friend and coach, Dave Hagar. We are a RADIOCOM original podcast and you can find us on the new RADIOCOM APP or anywhere you listen to your favorite podcast. Now let's get in the huddle. All right, thank you everyone for joining us huddle up with guests, where we talked to our guests about how sports shaped their life, and I'm here with my cohost, Dave Woa and you know, Dave, we got another great guests on today, so why don't we bring Jolie in right now and we can talk to a little bit about how sports has influenced her life. So it's Julia. Thanks for joining us in the huddle on huddle up with gusts and we appreciate you coming on. Oh, thank you for having me. I'm happy to be here. So where we always start and what we want to ask you is, what was that moment in your life for Sport, your sport that you love, came into play? What was that first time that you fell in love with it. Yeah, so I'm a race car driver, but I started in go karts and it was originally an activity that my parents wanted us to do as a family, for me and my sister and brother, and I loved it right away. But the moment where I realize I wanted to pursue it full time was sometime around age like eleven or twelve, when I was in middle school, which is a really miserable time for a lot of people, and I just realized that I was always most proud of myself at the racetrack, like, even though we had to wake up early and it was really hard work and a lot of times the racing didn't go the way we wanted it too, I was always happier to be there. I wanted to be there instead of school, and when I realize that that was just where I felt the most accomplished and most proud, I learned that that's what I really wanted to pursue. How does that work now in that like go kart racing at that age, because, like, we're used to like, you know, little league or soccer and stuff like that. So tell us, like how that how that came about, like what it typical like race day was like when you're ten years old. Yeah, so with go cart racing, it's not quite like what you see at the rental cart places around the country, but these are very much performance built racing go carts. There are different manufacturers or specific engine builders and you you know, you your family. They purchase all the equipment. My parents and one external mechanic coach worked on the go karts and it's really you know, arrived on Saturday or Sunday, depending on when the racing is, and this was at a racetrack in somewhere upstate New York. It's the same go cart track that Marco Andretti raced at from the famous on Dretti family, and we would go there and we have practice for several sessions and it's like five to ten minutes where you go out practice, you make some changes to the go cart, we go qualify, which is where you go as fast as you can for a few laps to set the starting order for a race, and then we have our races and they probably were about ten or fifteen minute races, but we just did that every weekend and there was one year where I think we race twenty seven weekends out of the year as a family. So is a lot of similar things of the whole family schleps to wherever the races are. And it was local go cart racing and the National Races, where there were five a year and we traveled to Wisconsin, Indiana, Texas, Florida, all over to go racing. So did you grow up in Manhattan? Is that where you grew up? So, you get up in Manhattan got into go cart racing. That's it's pretty bat right if we're the heck. Did you put the go carts? Yeah, you can store the go carts at the race track. But then my parents have a place in the woods of New Jersey on my dad's always worked in New Jersey, so we kind of split some time between New York and between the woods and but yeah, we commuted. It was a good you know, two hours outside of the city to get to the race track and it was really special though. was really cool to be able to get out and and just dedicate so much time and effort to something that involves so many people. Is Very communal sport. So what did your friends say when you would go back home and all your girlfriends or and friends when you tell them that I'm racing go karts, because that's probably something that you know, maybe as they go to the Jersey shore they're going to see go kart racing down there, like the ones you read, you know. But what was that like? How did they take that and what did you explain to them how what you were doing? Yeah, so I remember when I started. I think I started racing when I was in third or fourth grade, and you know, it was very weird, like they had no idea what it was as and everyone's so young and just like okay, cool, go do that. And as I got older there was definitely the interesting balance of missing some of my friends things or birthdays or, you know, parties that they had or in balancing that was racing. But I think they always got it. They just accepted that this was something that I did and some people understood racing. Some people like watching things like Formula One or even Nascar. There a lot of NASCAR FANS in New York, I've learned. They're just more closetive maybe, but but you know, I think people thought it was cool and it's very different. So I think a lot of people also just had a hard time understanding exactly what goes into it. But they knew that I exercised every day...

...and then I went running every day or every other day and traveled quite a bit, so they knew it was intensive, but I think some people definitely had a hard time really grasping what all it was. Did you have the driver that you particularly followed at a young age? Yeah, so I grew up watching Formula One and so I was a big Michael Schumacher Fan, but then kind of when I was fifteen sixteen, we started switching over to more oval racing style and when I started watching more NASCAR, I became a big Mark Martin Fan, a big Carl Edwards Fan, and I've actually been able to speak with him on the phone, which has been so cool to be able to talk with one of your heroes and he's just like how you see them on TV. So yeah, there's definitely some some heroes in the sport. So when you start out and go kart racing, you tend to fifteen minute races. What are you the length of your races now? Oh, yeah, now the races are like two hours. This year I was racing part time in the CANADIAN NASCAR series and they're a lot. It's a especially in the heat of the summer. Like a lot of people don't realize, it can be a hundred thirty degrees in the car because a closed cockpit and the motors right up front and it just gets really hot and you're in full fire resisting gear, helmet everything. So I think when I try to explain what it's like, it's like rap being at a hundred percent physical and mental capacity for hours on end in a sauna with people who want to pass you and are trying and move you out of the way. And maybe your car is not perfect so you have to adjust your driving to figure out how to make it better. And it's not at all like driving on the highway, and I think that's something that makes racing a little bit tough for some people to really appreciate, because most people grow up playing basketball or baseball. I have some idea of the sports they're watching, but not everyone goes racing right and so the closest thing you can equate it to is your every day driving and it's just so different than that, obviously. But yeah, it's really tough. It's physically exhausting. So it seems like from what I know and friends that I've had that love the support when you're young, your parents have to do a lot of work for you. Yes, you know, because they're trout. You've, like you said, you're traveling, they're hauling maybe your vehicle around for you, they're doing a lot of work repairs. So talk a little bit about your parents involvement in your life. Yeah, and there's the whole financial component to racing as a place board. It's very expensive and I don't I don't think I would have been able to do it without my family, and partially because it was my parents I did. It gets into gocarting, so I was very lucky that this thing I loved and was good at kind of fell in my lap. But they're involved. I mean they would always try to figure out, no, mechanically on the group go cards, what needed to happen, and then also from a mental point, they had to be our coaches and figure out, okay, if we're putting around not doing well one race weekend, why is that? How do we prevent that? And I now tell a lot of these stories through motivational talks that I give because my parents had a fairly aggressive, involved parenting sid really appreciate now is a little rough in the moment, but no, I mean they they were dedicating all of their weekends, so much time, energy and money to helping us go fast and to do the things that that we loved, and it's incredible commitment. So I'm kind of mixed us to whether or not I want to get my future kids injuries just so intensive, but I mean I'm very grateful. So did you have like a headset on when you were even young and your dad was in there like Hey, put the pedal the metal, let's go. Luckily it was only after the fact I got it just be in the zone and I was in go carts, but once I started in cars, yeah, we had radio communications and so getting feedback was a huge help for a lot of as my dad only gets on the radio ever so often, and what's interesting is that now he doesn't like to get on the radio, like now when he comes to my races and takes more he my mom take more of a, you know, kind of spectator angle to the sport now, but they don't like getting on the radio, which I find fascinating because they were so involved for so long and now they just want to see me drive. They don't really want to hear the behind the scenes stuff. So what's so transition? You must have been a successful go cart racer at a, you know, early teens. What's the next step like? How did you move into the kind of what were you're getting to now? Yeah, so there are a lot of different steps you can take and really my dad and I would read racing magazines and we saw that a guy who now is a friend of mine who races in sports cars, he got into something called the skip barber racing series, which is arrived and drive, more gentlemanly racing, like the the series provides the cars, but he got into that series when he was twelve, and so we're reading this and it's like, oh well, this is fun, let's go car racing. So when I was thirteen we made the jump into cars and I ended up winning that championship at age fourteen and then just kept climbing the ranks and there was a bit of an age restriction, so that was limited in which series I could go into. And then when I was sixteen I started transitioning more to oval racing and the NASCAR style racing. And it was really because...

...someone I had raced go karts against all of a sudden was kicking my ass in the road course racing in those skip barber cars and we were always pretty equal. So I was like, why is he suddenly so much better than me? And he had started doing some oval racing and it really helped his car control, his ability to be right on that ragged edge without going too far. And so originally I thought, okay, let me just improve my skills and let me just go practice that and bring it back to road course racing. But after I did a few races, I loved the racing on ovols. It was so much fun. Your side by side for laps on end. It was a really different type of racing, different style, the way you pass is really different and I decided that I had a lot of fun with that and I want to pursue that. So just still a lot of homework, figured out which teams we had to try to talk with, and then went fast and turn left. Well, Daves, your girls are at the point you're your one daughter just got a license yes and now live will be getting her license soon. She was driving a car and like it's bride had a weight like she. She's like, okay, I got to get my license out. It's it's probably was so boring her. So many kids are probably so excited. Were you excited? I was that process for you? I still I was still excited because when I was super nervous, like because in racing I don't have to park, I don't have to back up, like I have a spotter who tells me where to go and everything. I don't take responsibility for that, but I was really excited to get my license. I had my racing license at thirteen and in New York City you can't get your license you're eighteen. Let's driver said and stuff, which I just really didn't want to do. And so I was very excited. But then there was all this pressure from my friends like, oh, are you going to fail, Your Fail Your Road Tests? Happy and there was a lot of pressure. I didn't fail. I got it on the first try, but I don't know, K turns are interesting, you know, right, you just used to just go straight and then the circle and then all sudden you got to back up and parallel park. The parallel parking was the biggest obstacle that we phase. I was I I was her teacher, but then we ended up going to a school too, because I'm a terrible she actually is better than me. I'll parallel parking. She's just owned you out when you were trying to teacher. Yeah, is is typically she would. I didn't do anything with my kids. I said here, go to school because I knew I was like my dad, like one wrong move and I'm all over them and they would just give the first so it parallel parking New York probably was pretty it is pretty difficult. Sorry. What parallel parking in New York is pretty pretty. I mean, I've never really driven a whole lot in New York's I got my license at eighteen and then I left and I went foreignia and I moved to North Carolina, so I really haven't done a ton of driving in New York, but parallel parking's hard. The other thing is, because I didn't grow up in the suburbs, like parking lots, like at grocery stores and like in malls. We're stressful for me at first because, like, there's a lot of people driving. Not everyone's paying attention to where they're going and they got to practice and then you get more comfortable with it. I hate people to drive fast and parking lots. It's the one the guy that like cuts like I don't go down the normal roads. If there's no cars, I go through all the spots. Just want to go and pray. Would hate that. I'm not a fan of that. So I so you go to tell us about the high school you go too, because I think it's a college prep school and I'm not quite sure it's Stoy ves as. How you say it? Stivenson Stevenson? Okay, so don't worry. It's a tough one. Yeah, so it was. I went to I went to a private school through eighth grade and then I switched over to the public school system and New York City has a handful of specialized public high school so it's you have to test to get into them, but they are fully three fully public, and mine had a math and science focus and for me it was really cool because it really opened up my world and I had eight hundred kids in my grade and it was extremely diverse, you know, racially, socioeconomically, just background wise, interest wise. So I got used to working really hard. I missed some a hundred and twenty days of high school and got to be really good friends with the principle and everyone, because to explain like Hey, I'm going to maintain my grades, don't worry, but I am going to miss a lot of school. This is why I'm going to miss it, and they were very accommodating. It was really I loved high school. I thought it was really cool and it was fun because, because there was that math and science focus, there were a lot of people who were engineering enthusiasts and people who loved like racing, and they understood the physics of it, and so people I probably wouldn't relate to in other ways we got to bond over racing and they thought it was really cool. So it was fun. It was a lot of fun and you probably didn't have the opportunity to play other sports my school stuff, because you're on the road and then you're trying to make up for classes and stuff like that. There's not a lot of time to do be on a basketball team, for example. No, no, I'm what. I don't really think I'm built for many other sports. Some, I'll be honest, and maybe running, and I love running, and so I always did that. You know, several times a week after school, but I really didn't...

...start doing more focus training until I got into college when I had access to a gym. It was like, Oh wow, I can do a lot more and if I do more pushups and if I do more strength training, it helps in the car as well, and so it's been interesting and I've now work with a trainer. It's tray Shan and with podium performance fitness, and we do very specific racing training and neck training. And you know, as they are talking about concussions and football, they're also talking about that and racing, because even though we have the helmets, like if we knock into a wall, we hit our seat rests and then that's still has the potential to lead to a concussion. So building up next strength, really building up core strength to be able to hold ourselves in the car, because as soon as we start to physically fatigue, then all we focus on is just trying to stay upright and trying to get the car around the track instead of more proactively how are we racing, how we're going to get by these people? So it's really important to have that physical fitness and we do a lot of visual training, like really cool stuff like, you know, peddling on a stationary bike to maintain motor skills and then having strobe boggles on that flash and then my training will throw tennis balls at me and I have to catch them. So it's just doing all this stuff to try to train the visual the reaction times, the sensory input, just because all that is relevant to racing, which I think is so much fun and really cool to fine tune. Right, Dave and I are part of a company here in Tis Work Code or street twenty one X, and what the company does a measures and monitors your brain performance, but by playing games on your phone, and it's old neuro psych tests that we really target different areas of your brain. And so over the years that I've been doing this, I met a company out of Canada. They what you were talking about, the tennis balls. They do it on a computer screen. They show you three tennis balls in the beginning and then you have to follow them through the process and it starts real slow, then it gets faster and faster and it's working on what you're talking about. Like can you keep up? Can you find these tennis balls, because you're trying to increase the performance of your brain as you go and our test is basically given you that score every time. Right. Is what I am doing working, and I know part of what you're doing also is you start your day sunny side up at the Weston Bonaventure Hotel and suites and enjoy breakfast or two on us. No matter how you plan to spend your trip to Los Angeles, start every day with a hearty meal to kick start your morning. Enjoy breakfast for two on US each day you stay for reservations. Be sure that Promo Code S for B appears in the Promo codebox when making your online reservation at Mariottcom. 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And then you think of they're these like rocket ships on wheels. There's somehow staying on that and then racing against each other and there's there's a lot going on. So when you talk about the heat in a car, how much weight do you lose on one of your races now, because I know that that sweat and the science behind that, and how do you keep from sweating so much, all those kind of things, because if you lose so much salt and sweat in your body, it's got a be a detriment to your brain and everything you're talking about. Yeah, so I've never measured myself, partially because, like, my care gets really wet and that and adds weight. So I think it's wouldn't be super scientific on me, but the average guy, so I want to say like five hundred and ten, one hundred and fifty, one sixty ish can lose five to ten pounds of water weight during a several hour race. And so it's a lot. And so much of the preparation for racing starts several days ahead of time with hydration and, you know, cutting out alcohol and eating really clean foods. And for hydration on race day it's a fine balance because you want to hydrate enough that you're you know that you're sufficiently hydrated, but not over hydrating so that you flush out all the important minerals and vitamins that are in your system. And what I found was that what we do have water bottles in the car that we can drink whenever, but what I found is that having electrolyte filled water or even just salt water was so much better than just having plain water because it really replenishes and gets the sugars in the salts up. And...

Yeah, you sweat a ton, so you have to really balance that and take into consideration the foods that you eat leading up to the race. Juliet, tell us, though, so you're at Stanford and but you're still pursuing your dream of being a race car driver, like how do you balance that? You're on the other side of the country now, like what take us through that? They got race tracks out there. So, yeah, I throughout my college years I only race part time and it was only during the summer's after my freshman year I actually interned at a NASCAR team just to be able to be in North Carolina and then I raced a handful of weekends during the summer and then, but it was my junior year in college where I did more consistent racing throughout spring quarter and the summer. And you know, I raced there something called legends cars. They look like s cars but at like hap scale and they just go on a lot of shorter race tracks like third mile up to half mile in California. So I would just pack up on a Friday morning and drive over a few hours to a race track. Found a great team out there. We raced on Sonoma and these little cars which you know, they have an Indie car race they have a NASCAR race. It's in wine country, which is Super Nice, and I had friends that came out to some of the races and it was really cool for them to see. But, as I mentioned earlier, like I started really taking my strength training a little more seriously and really utilizing the tools of the gym had to offer, and it was tough. But I like doing a lot of stuff. I think there's a lot of cool stuff in the world that's worth trying out. So that being being busy but productive was always something that I really enjoyed and I think in general my life is fairly fast paced. So for me that balance was totally doable. Definitely a challenge and I found as long as I got adequate amounts of sleep, I was I was good to go well with him all that. Julia then Auditions for survivor. Survivor, I don't think it's that. The man a layer, is it? How do you say the name of the where you went? Karamo, Oka, Karamo and island. Yeah, I six it was fans versus favorites, but I will never be better about because it's half people who played before a people who haven't. So inherently unfair, but yes, I did. What's the audition process like for that? Yeah, I mean you have to send in an audition video and you have to say why you're going to be good on the show, and I was really pulling in my school experience and how my racing in my school experience were going to make me really great. You know, the final result I've been a little different. I ended up getting the really boring edit. But I will say you know, for me it was a really big lesson in authenticity because I decided not to tell people I went to Stanford because you're playing for a million bucks, and so I thought, okay, well, if I play as well as a single mom or someone who worked a minimum wage job, you know, why would they give me the million dollar prize? So I concealed that whole part of who I was. And then when you spend days on an island where you don't have much going on, there's a lot of talking and I would realize I go to tell story and then realize, Oh, that would blow my cover and the last thing you want to do is let people know that you were deceiving them. So I just end up being kind of quiet. In addition to, you know, being thrown into this totally unfamiliar environment. Your body's dealing with so much stress. I mean there's so much going on. It's very authentic. But I learned that it was just better to own who I was and just play into all the different parts about me, because I know authenticity is a buzzword that we hear a lot, but it's it's way better to own who you are than to conceal big parts of it, because then you just don't shine as much. Yeah, it feels it's probably stressful, like you're always concentrating on what not to say. Yeah, yeah, and then you become quiet, and then no one like some quiet on reality TV. So you just don't thrive. But the challenges were so much fun. I mean, talk about those physical challenges, like you're totally depleted, totally Mountain Urish, you know, dehydrated, and with people that you may or may not like very much, and then you have to make it work, have to bring the team together, you have to allocate jobs and allocate parts of the challenges to different people's strengths, and we lost a lot. It was a huge test and perseverance, but they were so much fun, like the challenge is like jumping off of a platform and hitting a plaque and then falling into the ocean. Is Very exciting. Probably those exciting is going two hundred miles round the track. But now different water can be scary, though, so it adds a whole new like risk factor to it. There are sharks in there, a lot of stuff. Um. When. So, when you get eliminated? How soon after that moment do you return back home? You out there. I think the show does a really good job because they don't want people knowing the finishing order. So we're out there. Yeah, so you just stay out there, you just stay at here. How long did it take, Fak, and I guess how long it take start to finish for you. I think it was six weeks from when I left to...

...when I got back. The game is thirty nine days and there's like kind of a pre prep and the post stuff. and was it like physically taxing? Oh my gosh, I think I lost twelve pounds at the time. I was like five five, maybe one fifteen, and I got extremely skinny, which you know. I made it about halfway and so I kind of look back and I think what would have happened, how I made it the full leg because there was a lot of weight to lose. Again, your body is so stressed and reacts very differently and and I got really badly sunburned and know it was. It was very taxing and you don't sleep very well, so you're just yours miserable all the time. And Yeah, do you think that somehow that helped you in preparation for the amount of time you have to spend in a car racing and how physically taxing and mentally taxing that is on your body? Yeah, that's that's a really interesting perspective. I am it definitely gave me a sense of it, but at the same time I think races last a lot longer. We have to stay physically focus while being depleted, and I never as depleted in the race car as I was on the show. So they're definitely parallels. But I think some of the bigger lessons for me we're not so much on the physical side, but I shall take that back. I'll get to that in a second, but the kind of understanding how I am con portraying myself or conveying myself to an audience. I think that was a really big lesson. But another big thing was that team work component and the leadership. And you know, when you join a racing team, basically it's a rental program. You know, we, as a driver, either ourselves or with our partners, pay a team to rent out the car, use the crew, and so we always, always have control over who we're working with and who our mechanics are and who the crew chief is. And so in those moments, regardless of whether or not you get along, you have to figure out how to make it work. And I had a much worse experience on survivor. Like I've been pretty good with my teams, but it did. It was a really good lesson in how do you encourage all these people to be their absolute best during the challenges that you don't have to go back to tribal council and put someone off the island? Right, I'm stand it didn't work. We lost everything, but it was interesting to kind of see how different people react to pressure and stress and being tired and then learning how to accommodate different people's needs. Yeah, I would say that's kind of like the business world. When I first started, I mean I played the NFL of fifteen years going. It was a coach. And then all some in the business world don't know anything about that. Right. And one of the best tips I ever got from somebody who was a CEO. He said, look, when you go in and you're trying to pitch or sell, you're doing a presentation, you got to find out who that person is in that room that wants to be your enemy, that doesn't like what you're selling, and then you convince them that what you're doing is great, because the people that you have to convince to be on your side are the ones that don't want to be on your side. Right. And then that goes any kind of team. Right. If I had a player who had an issue with a coach, that did me no good on the field. If he's out there complaining about everything, we were going to win a game. And so you have to get him on your side. Say don't worry about that, let's just go do your job, let's play. You know, same thing in the business, same thing for a probably what you're doing, whether it's on survivor or trying to manage a team, that maybe some people you don't really know and they don't really want to work on your card, and you got to get them to do the right thing, because you know how important that is a hundred percent and I think that that ability to be a leader, no matter what situation you're in, is really important. And there's a quote from Bill Bradley that says leadership is unlocking people's potential to be better, to become better, and I just think that's really cool because it kind of puts the responsibility in every individuals hands to make everyone else on their team better, and if you can do that you're a really valuable asset and I think that's so true, like no matter what you do in life. So can you tell us a little bit about, I'm thinking, all the stages you've gone through in in racing. It's kind of like the minor leagues up to Major Leagues of Baseball. How can you explain a little bit of that to us? Yeah, so I'm basically NASCAR specifically has three professional levels. The Cup series, which is where you saw jeff board and you see Jimmy Johnson, would Dannika Patrick just retired from they have the NASCAR exfinity series, which is here too, and the NASCAR truck series, which is the first professional level. My manager equates it to AAA baseball, and then below that you have more of the regional touring series, which I guess would be the minor leagues, and I they have several different series. I raced in a West Coast Nascar series for two years. This year and last year I race part time in the Canadian Nascar series, which it's Canada's premier stock car series. But I would still call a kind of the...

...minor leagues compared to the states and there are a lot of different racing series and you know, as you climb the ranks, the races get longer, the cars get a little faster more advanced, the tracks get bigger, you get more TV exposure. So it really is an interesting system. But I think those that kind of AAA Minor League is where where I'm playing right now. Right. So when you graduate from Stanford, like what's where do you go? Like it's in terms of you you're going to be a driver, right, I was pretty much decided. So, like what we're what of those levels did you start at? Yeah, so I graduated, I moved to North Carolina and that was in two thousand and fourteen and then in two thousand and fifteen I raced in a nascar sanctioned weekly racing series. So it was a championship ship at one specific race track. So I went to that same race track all season. One half the race of them won the championship there, so that was really cool. So that's kind of like the very beginning of the NASCAR ladder, and then from there you go into more touring series, so you could do the same type of car but add a bunch of different race tracks. And then I jumped up to a series that had fourteen races a year. It is it was televised, the Nascar Canon Crow series, televised on tape, delayed, but still get to see it. And then, you know, it kind of depends what the goal is and it tends how much funding you have, for it does get extremely more extensive with each level you climb. But now we're trying to break into that first professional series in the NASCAR truck series and also doing other types of racing on the more minor leagues just to get the good seat time. So does a car change as you go up, like because you own your own care? No. So this is where again, like you rent it from the team. So like in two thousand and fifteen when I won the championship, the car that I drove was three hundred and fifty horsepower thing and then the next year I jumped up to one that was six hundred and fifty. And the tires are different, the specks of how the car is built is a little different, the suspension is different. So and this year in the Canadian series they use different shocks. And so basically, when you hit the brakes, and you know when your car the front of the car kind of goes down a little bit when you hit your brakes. Basically, the way my car this year reacted is different than how it did several years ago in a different car. And the horse powers a little different. And the break of pads are different. They have more robust break pads in some series and less robust break pads. So you have to be gentle and maintain your equipment. So lots of different technical components. So in Canada, do they have to put those little spikes on your tire so you get around the tracks and all the ice like, but season goes from May to September because of weather? Oh Yeah, I'm sure those like March to November. Tell us Ali sponsorship works. Do you have an agent? Do you solicit sponsors or did they come to you? How do how does that work? Yeah, so it's buried in something that's shifted, I think, over the last ten years within NASCAR. Think since the recession, the kind of landscape of the sport has changed a little bit and it is payto play and it's a mix of self funding through family or family businesses that you see a lot of younger people coming up the ranks and unfortunately, sponsorship is just hard to come by for anyone and the support is so expensive. But for me personally, I do work with a manager and we combination. It's a doll of the above. Right we pitch. We're in a couple of discussions right now which are really exciting, and then we have people coming to us for different partnerships and it varies in price. Like to run a full season of the NASCAR truck series is like two or three million dollars for the season and the Cup series, after the best teams, is like twenty million dollars. So you're talking big dollar amounts to go race thing. And so for me it's about being creative and figuring out, you know, where I can get little chunks of that and build that up. And so combination of partnerships like this. Yere I worked with Shell turrow and a wine company, which was really cool. Brought in a little bit. I've also self funded through speaking engagements. But to move up we really need those more robust partnerships, and so is a mix of seeking them out and having people come to us and just finding out where I can provide value, not just from an non tract marketing but from a more holistic three hundred sixty review of how it can help a company and their initiatives, whether they're at the track or way from the track. Right. So you can say, Hey, I want you to sponsor my car, but then I'll come and speak for if you have an engagement. I love to come talk to your employees. You're talked if you're you know whatever that is, and we try to do that a little bit here. On the total up with was sponsorship as well. So we had drive. If we try, we're working on it. We're working on well, one likes the part with money very quickly. So but yeah, it's exactly to that point. It's about, you know, understanding where companies needs and a lot of it for me. You know, women in sports right now is really big and women's empowerment and being able to authentically carry that mission and carry that messaging and to create content. Maybe it's a you know, video content that a company is...

...trying to support or put out. Maybe it's being able to engage employees and kind of give that motivation for the internal corporate initiatives. So it really just it's there's no one size fit all and people, you know, there's no like one deck that I send out that you know. It's just like what is this company's needs? is or there an organic fit and is there the room to be created and how we help each other? Does your manager do a lot of that or do you do a lot of that? Yep, he does a lot, I do a lot. It's a full fledged team effort right now and you know, he's got relationships that I don't have. But I also I firmly believe that, like, I am my best salesperson and I think most talent will be if they can articulate it will be their best sells person. So it's a collaborative effort. Yeah, I know this. That makes sense. That is tough in your own business right your you has. So when you go and rent a car from a racing team, you also are renting all their mechanics and everything else. So do you just pay one fee for that? Yeah, basically, and you you discussed with the team owner kind of what the cost are, what they need to make from it, and and that covers everything. So if you have a sponsor and that sponsor wants to put their logo on your car, the team's okay with you putting that on their car and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think at this point in racing in general, people aren't going to likely send away sponsorship. I mean if there's a direct conflict of interest with a team sponsor, I don't think it would work as well, but that hasn't been the case so far. Great. So then if you're part of a you rent a car, you win a bunch of races, you're getting more more wellknown. Does that team that you read of that car from also Rosher back to you a little bit or not also red share back with you? Like, is there a reciprocal you know you're paying them, but I'm putting you out in front stage because I'm one of all these races. Yeah, no, I mean it's I think it's just a little more cut and driving that you know you're, as you said, like we pay for and then you know, hopefully, the team's doing a good job and then you get to show off all the work that you've now paid for. And and the thing with racing that's interesting is that's so much is out of your control, right, and the fact that I love that it's a tech face for because it is so cool to have that human machine interaction. But like machines fail and like the stuff that goes wrong that's no one's fault. You can get a flat tire. I've had an axle break, which is a freak accident, and you know, just stuff happens, and so it's you know, when I talk about win rates and you think of a traditional team, any given player in a basketball game, any given player has a fifty chance of winning. Right. Well, it's Jeff Gordon who's one of the most decorated races of all time. He had a fourteen point nine win percent to just like you, you're so unlikely to win. Like winning, having a win rate in the teams is a very high wind rate, and so I think could be a little bit crazy to pursue this, but there's just so much it's out of your control and so much that has to go right to win, and so I think that's what makes it so special when it does happens. Like you can have all the add weekends in a row and you just have that one good weekend and you're like I'm good to go, let's go racing forever because this is nice, and then you lose a bunch and then it's just throw intoxicating when it does go well, because it's all tattoo. It's like golf. It's at one shot that keeps you coming back. Yeah, when you show to keep it coming Bat Yamble, like we're game more. Yeah, like you lose a bunch and then all sudden you put if you win once, I put on red and you win on this wheel. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. How does how does surprise money work? I know, like if you compared to like PGA, you know, the golfers, maybe the top twenty five get paid. Like how does it work in your staff? It depends on the series and there you know, sometimes the team takes majority of its enjority of teasing, majority of it. Sometimes it's split with the driver. It just depends what the overall deal looks like. But then as you get to the higher levels, most drivers are on a salary for the team. Like in the Cup level, a top level, most drivers are on a salary. You also get endorsement money and licensing, a little bit from licensing. And then, however, a lot of teams will have a teer system for prize money. So if you finish ten or below, you get ex percentage. The driver is ex percentage and you're more incentivized as you wins. Maybe get a little bit more if you get a top five and maybe you get like twice if you get a win, but that's just a case by case basis. Valet stay and play on your next get away to Los Angeles. 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PSF. So you've been around cars since you've been ten go carts and everything else mechanically. What is your skill level? Right? Can't. Can you do everything on a car? Oh No, Oh yeah, so on go cards I did a lot of the work on go carts and with race cars, as once I switched to Nascar I had a lot more to learn. Just that the cars are show different and I would say that I'm technically literate. I know why different changes make heavy effects they have. You know, if, let's say, the car doesn't turn in as quickly as I want it to and going into a corner, we have to break it down and say, okay, am I on the brakes? On my off the brakes? You know, you have to take a whole lot of pieces into consideration and I can, I will know like what family of changes can be made, but sometimes the crew people just have a more precise, more knowledge idea of what specific change to make. A lot of teams don't like the driver's working on the cars just because you don't want us to mess it up right. But from an understanding standpoint. I'm pretty good. I can always get better and something I'd try to keep doing. I um but it's a it's very interactive and I but I will say I cannot tear pardon engine and put that back together, like no chance, no chance. Those people a lot more topsed than I am in that regards. What's your average top speed right now? So the top speed I have hit is a hundred and seventy four miles an hour. I'm a little bumed it wasn't one hundred and seventy five because that's a nice round number. But it depends on the track size. You know, I race on some tracks that are only a half mile long and those maybe we'll hit like one ten, one hundred and twenty, but then as you get to the bigger tracks, the mile, the mile and a half, you're hot in that higher range. But I would say the average all of what I'm doing is in like the average feed around at track is like eighty ninety miles an hour. Have you ever wanted wanted to do Formula One or any of that type of racing? I started in that style. It became very clear that was going to be a rough thing to pursue financially. But then also the old owner's view on women was very public and nothing to reflattering, right. But then also, I mean as I get older and I think about safety a little bit more, Nascar. I believe it's one of the safest forms of motor racing and unfortunately you still see deaths in Formula One and Indie car and really serious injuries. That I love racing and I hope to keep doing it for a very long time. I don't really want to die doing it's I'm going to limit my chances. Having that half, I like having the full fender car and the roll page around me. I like that my head is not exposed to things falling off of other cars. So I think I'll probably stick with closed cars. But, like, I've never done sports car racing and I think that would be a lot of fun. But different, different types, right. Yeah, there are different types of racing. What's so? What's the next step? What are you looking for to achieve next in your sports? Next step would be a try to break into racing in the NASCAR truck series at first professional level, and they're still purpose built race cars. They just look like trucks to kind of help out the manufacturers, because the original model for a nast bar was race on Sunday, sell on Monday, and the cars saw on the showroom floor were very similar to wase on racetrack. So they kind of continue that tradition and then, yeah, and so to keep doing that and to you know, we've had a lot of bad luck this year, and so they get some better results and have more things come together and to race just a little more consistently. With limited budget, we I did a lot of cart time racing over the last two years and you get a little rusty, just like any athlete that doesn't get to do their sport radio. So lots more seat time and try to break into that first professional do you have a favorite make? What do you race? or You Ford Chevy too? Are you so? In Canada we still run dodges. So I had a dodge challenger this year, which but I size that I haven't had a strong, strong, you know, feeling for one of the other because then the day they all go fast. So right, what card you drive? Just done a day to day basis. I drive a Volkswagen G yeah, I stick shift and I love it. Don't want it to die anytime soon, so keep keep on that for as long as I can. Yeah, those are nice little car. So you can get around pretty good. Sporty, they're really great and traffic. They're way easier to park than bigger vehicles, so for those of us who are parallel parking challenged, yeah, it's a it's a nice little car. I think that what you're doing is amazing because I know that I could never do that. Just driving like on the turnpike going to see I went to see my son this weekend of William and Mary and and you have to take the Turnpike then to get on ninety five from DC. It's just insane. But doing it at a hundred seventy four, one hundred seventy five miles an hour. I think she's actually safer than we are out. I'm I don't think so, because there's some crazy people out there's a lot more than I like being on the road. True, store I don't really like driving on the road. Like backcountry road or through the mountains are one thing, but it's way more dangerous on the street. That ain't much...

...more defensive than if you at the race. Always say my pet peeve is that person in as Fassling, going slow. I think that. Thank you. I think hate that. Like just move over right, like get over, let's move about. Well, I'd like to see like Julia, like in a road rate situation that's not not dangerous, but where someone cut you off and then they don't realize who they're cutting off. She just rides her bumper and then, like like a she could completely make them look silly, you know, and they didn't. It's kind of like get going to a bar, like picking a fight with a guy, but you don't know he's a hockey player, because he might not do that, bitch, and then he just destroys you. Yeah, know, like so, yeah, we're to see the boards you go into. Well, this is many years ago and just I'm whatever heard, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeahs. I definitely get angry on the road like they they just opened up some expressed whole lanes north of Charlotte on the highway and regardless of what the traffic looks like, I take them just because of like the sanctity of mind. It's like they're fewer people there. It's five miles an hour faster than the regular layans. I'm like know it. I'm investing in my mental wellbeing right now and other drivers. So it's worth it because I have to take it to guess my trainer. So yeah, I tell my wife at all time you need to have a little more patience when you're driving, because she's on the horn. She likes, you know, the flashing of the hand, if you know what I'm saying, and very nice way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like she gets angry really easy at when she's driving, which I understand. I take it more your way at I just just go and you know, I don't flash my lights at anybody. I am I'm I aim for that. I don't really achieve it, like I definitely do, but I don't want to take years off my life because of driving. So so, are you a fan of any other sports? So I I've been dabbling more like I really enjoy watching basketball. I can't tell you very much about it, but like, in terms of watching a sport, are going to a game. I do like basketball and I've been to a handful of worn it's games here in Charlotte. But no, I wouldn't say like I'm a big sports I love the Olympics and I really, I really love these sports that kind of are more the individual performance of the gymnastics, the running. I think track is fascinating just because I think track athletes are totally superhuman. But like, I'm knowledgeable about some right, well answered. Your question is not really. But there are some sports and some athletes I really enjoy watching compete. That's awesome. So one of the think last things we do on the show here we have this called or two minute drew, our no huddle. We're we fire a bunch of questions at you. So Dave always starts. So, Dave, bunch of far away are Julie. If you could make a mount rushmore of auto racing, who would those for people be? Okay, so Michael Schumacher, Mark Martin, Paul Newman and I have to take that back. Damn, there's only four, because then there's also lind Saint James and Janet Guthrie and Shirley Muldowney. There's a long would you do a men's and women's Mount Rushmore? There are enough women trailblazers and racing that. Yeah, there are. So what's your biggest pet? Peete slow drivers in left lane. Yeah, I like it. So they're always were a page dissipater saying if you could fell a young if you could go back in time and tell a young Julia some bit of a bit of advice, what would that be? There are two pieces. One is always keep moving, always keep trying new things, like like don't well, and the other thing is something my mom told me, and she was thinking about finances and getting compensated financially, but she said, you know, you'll never get what you deserve, but you deserve whatever you can get. And I really like that because if you're creative enough and you've got enough hussible to go get something, hopefully legally and like, you know, not hurting any but right. But if you can do that, you deserve it and I think that kind of helps combat the doubt that so many of us feel. So, if you could be anyone else for a day, dead or alive, who would that be? Serena Williams. That's pretty good one. Yeah, yeah, I think she's just to be the COT. I mean just everything and I love what she does. You know, from a sport perspective, from an empowerment perspective, from a business perspective, she's just she is goals and as long as she's been doing it as well. I mean that high love what's pretty amazing, and the family component. I mean I love that it's been a family affair for so long. Right, if you could be the commissioner of Nascar for a day, what rule would you change? I would probably make the races shorter and so it's more intent. I would hope that that would make it more intense racing for a shorter period of time. What is your biggest fear? U I fear my baby's fear would be kind of...

...looking back and having any regrets or thinking that I could have done something more, I could done something better or more intentionally. That may help, may have helped me get to where I want to go. What about physical fear? I mean, you're racing star driver and you've been a survivor, so there's probably not many. But like, we're jump out of a airplane, like nothing about that sounds appealing and I have friends who do guy diving and oh it's so great, it's so fun, like absolutely not like that. I couldn't do it. I don't think I'm go space either. Yeah, that and Bungee jumping, like I don't really want to like dive off a bridge with a thing strapped to my ankles and hoping and sees attached? Yeah, that's does not seem fun to me at all. Now I agree with you. And jumping out of planes, I don't get that. I maybe there's a rush that they you know, they always talk about how it's just there's a lot to lose. Hope. That's Strang word. Yeah, risk benefit analysis. Right, it's there's a sales or a little weird. So what frustrate you when you're racing about the other drivers? What? What? What do they do to you that really frustrate you? It's very frustrating when drivers block you, and that's part of racing. But you know, sometimes on certain racetracks, like sometimes, you can't always race side by side because the asphalt a little different or just doesn't have attraction. So there's like one line that works around the race track and if someone's blocking that's tough. Um, I think I drivers who do more bone headed bonds I moves I don't like as much. I think my driving style and the racing that I really appreciate is really good, hard, clean racing, and there's kind of two school the thoughts. I think that you know either you know do anything to get the win, even if you take people out, versus like clean, hard racing, and you got to earn those the place that you got. I'm more on that side. I just don't like anyone can knock someone out of the way, but to execute a pass properly, I think takes a lot more skill and I just appreciate that and drivers more. If you could step into a time machine and go back in time to for a day, where would you go and what time period would you be? I would I am really really obsessed with N S New York. I love s kind of a cross the board. I just think it's a fascinating time period. And Yeah, New York City, I just think to know it today versus where it was in the s would be fascinating. Like it's just a period I love a lot. Yeah, that would be great because it's totally change like when you go to the plays or the shows now New York, nobody dresses up, like I can remember a few years ago my wife and I were going would always I wear a suit and she'd wear a dress and then like we're like people weren't shirts it. Hear all the time he is so laid back at so different yeah, and even communal aspect and like you know, you see photos of like the sidewalk and Lower Manhattan and just how bustling it was, but like everyone's more or less connected. I think. I think New York with that technology that we have now, would be really interesting because it is a big community. Right. So, what is your favorite sports movie? Oh, that's a great question. So I love a League of their own, but I haven't seen it in a while and I think like to two thousand and Nineteen Lens is kind of different than when you see it as a like dum stager and but I also like I don't know if the Samlot counts as a sports yeah, yeah, that's a great sports movie. Yeah, what was the movie with Tom Cruise in it when he days a thunder? Asia, Thunder. That mean as another really good one. But I just love how they like took the cameras in there, right, so that you've remember how you were saying, how you you want to smell it, feel it, like it almost in the movie. You kind of get that sense. Yep, and as a fan, when I watched some of the races, like I kind of almost want that, but so hard for a camera to be able to do that. I know is but they now also have helmet cameras, so they put them on the helmets and you can just see how much vibration there is, how much the drivers are moving around. They it's it's definitely getting better. They're experimenting as getting getting good. All Right, okay, last question. What's the best race you've ever been to as a spectator? Most memorable? So probably when I went to the Formula One race in Montreal. I forget how old I was, I was probably still single digits, but it's it's in Montreal and it's on an island basically, and like the whole city comes out for and it's just this whole to do and so much energy in such a small area and it was just totally electric and it was my first conscious memory of going to I think it is the first big race I had ever gone to. Just like wow, there's so much here and it was just I was an all that got you, he got to me, it got me. That's great. Well,...

I think you taught David I a lot today about about racing and we can't wait to watch you. When does this when does this season start again? So my seasons done for two thousand and nineteen. So we'll start up again in two thousand and twenty and I'll be announcing across my social media at Julia land our racing plans once they gets solidified. Wonderful, wonderful. Well, we can't wait to watch you. We appreciate you coming on our show and learning about a sport that we haven't been able to talk about yet. I agree. I'm interested much more right now than I was, you know, and maybe once ago. Maybe we'll get you out in the car. Let's do it. To do that. It's good on the caroline. I will go get in the car, will do a show while you're driving. I'll interview you. Sounds good, as long as we don't get in fights hockey players. Yeah, exactly. Practice talking while you're exercising. That's one thing I'll leave on. You know, the driver has to be able to communicate with the team while we're driving, and so I actually started practicing talking while I'm running to get used to clearly articulating while I'm stressed, and so I gave a tedex talk in May and there's one run where I actually went through the entire twelve minute talk while I was running trying to annunciate and speak clearly to have better communication on the radio. So yeah, it has to be great. Pussy engines going and and there's all your mind has to be your talking, but you're also seeing what everybody else is doing. It's got to be crazy. Like Dave just rides a bike and he can't call. Somebody has to text me. True, I can't. There's nothing I can say. So, but thank you so much for having all those thanks for coming on. It was great and we'll talk soon. Okay, thanks, joy to earlier. Hi, we want to thank you for listening to huddle up with gusts, a RADIOCOM original. You can find our show on RADIOCOM, the new RADIOCOM APP or anywhere you listen to your favorite podcast. Please leave us a review or comment if you enjoyed the show. We are on facebook, twitter, instagram and Youtube at huddle up with gusts. You can also visit us on our website, huddle up with gustscom.

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