Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

Episode · 2 years ago

Joe Theismann

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Super Bowl champion and legendary quarterback, Joe Theismann joins the huddle. We talk; his motivation to start playing football, how he changed the pronunciation of his last name, and the time he met the E-Sports phenomenon, Ninja. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to our PODCAST, huddle up with gusts, where we talked to guests about how sports helped shape their life. I'm your host, former NFL quarterback, gusts Frat, and I'm joined by my longtime friend and coach, Dave Hagar. We are a RADIOCOM original podcast and you can find us on the new RADIOCOM APP or anywhere you listen to your favorite podcast. Now let's get in the huddle. Hey, Dave, how you doing? Good, guess. How about yourself? Man, doing wonderful. I cannot wait to hear some stories from our guests today. Just you know, we played the same position, we played for the same team, we've you know, I've watched this guy when I was growing up. Just an and tremendous NFL player, had one of the worst injuries anybody's ever had on an NFL field and, you know, just had an incredible college career as well. Played for one of the great programs in the History College football, Notre Dame. The story of his heisman campaign is really interesting to they actually changed his name in order to better fit the campaign. Yeah, and you know, I can't wait to hear from Joe, thisman about if his favorite NFL stadium is the same as mine, Urfk. Joe, I don't know about you, but ourfk still my favorite stadium. I agree. You know, it's great to join you guys to thanks for having me. I just you know, it's I I've traveled to all the different stadiums. You know, guess you've been and seen him too, and there were just something special about our k in to a degree. The Raider fans had that in Oakland Alla Beta, because they were both baseball stadium's. Really the configuration was but the proximity of the fans and because with football stadiums the wolves tend to get higher and Guss you're very familiar without high the walls on you like literally like to get that in Joe. I didn't just throw it, see, I didn't just throw it out there. I segued into it. I liked it when I talked about when I talked about the height of a wall, but it was, you know, it's like the end zone seating in Oakland, the end zone seating in R kid. You're right there, the fans are right there, they're right on top of you and it was a really special place to play and I believe they're going to tear down the stadium. You know, yeah, I know, that was sad when I heard that. When I heard that, yeah, me too, I told what they should do, start selling the seats right. You know, it's not likely. I love to have a couple of those. Well, you know what I you know, what I'm going to suggest to him is, why do we figure out a charity? And then what we'll do is basically, as you take the stadium apart, there are things that people there are still some of us that have, you know, remember it and have great memories of it that would love to have the back of a seat or a seat or something like that. And then when we wind up doing is like do an autograph session, you sign them or you walking them off to charity and then you take the money that you raise and you go out and do something good with it and there's just just one, just one lace good thing for the old girl, right. Yeah, yeah, you're always thinking, Joe, that's for sure. That's for sure. I like that idea. Thank yeah, but no, we appreciate you coming on and being in the huddle and and we really want to start back to when you were a kid and your first experience and what was the first thing in your life that gave you that love of sports? Jeez, I grew up from my earliest days that I can remember, I grew up two blocks from my high school, two blocks from my grammar school. Literally, if I walked out my front door and these weren't dig blocks, we're not talking city blocks, I'm talking maybe eight nine houses. So it, you know, about twenty houses up the road was the entrance to to Campbell school and and where, you know this, I played in the high school was located right behind it. So in Grammar School we had the tennis courts, we had the baseball diamonds, the football fields, everything that was available to us. And you know, when I was a kid, I just picked I just started picking up a ball. I got involved and in Little League Baseball and then I got involved and Pop Warner football. My Mom wouldn't let me play for two years. She wouldn't let me play Pop Warner football till I was twelve when a buddy of mine and Tommy, who ultimately went on to be an FBI agent for for thirty years. He he came to the house in a full uniform so I've mother could see how protected I was and then she and and then she gave the okay for me to play football and and that sort of launched a career. But I'd always, you know, six, seven years old, I was always throwing a ball around. My cousin billy lived right next door, so we were always they had a little yard in between us and it was at that yard where we, you know, we had the family gatherings and we would play softball and me the...

...yard was, Gosh, it was a postage stamp. When I when I drive, I've driven back to my hometown on a couple of occasions and I look at the yard that's actually still in between the two houses and I think when you're a little kid, that it looks like a football field. I was the best, biggest is, the best place you could ever imagine being. Yeah, I mean, you know, we had the diamond set up for baseball, you had the football set up there and then, you know, you'd play stickball. We would play you take a rubber ball and bounce it off the curb and that's do that for hours. I kids wouldn't do that anymore. Right now. They could do it now. They could do with a video game. Why would they waste the time to go out and do it physically? And that's one of the things I do feel for the younger people of today a little bit. Is the the outside experiences, the social experiences that we had and, to a degree, the innocence that existed to it when we were kids growing up. It's tough being a kid today. It's tough being a young adult and and so I understand and I feel for him. Well, joke we credit your friend Tommy for if he doesn't show up your door that day in full paths, you may never played football. Mom. Yeah, mom, may have never let me play. Truthfully, we you know, we've tried for two years. I mean I was eligible to play pop one at the age of ten. Nope, not gonna let you do it. Age Eleven, Nope, not gonna let you do it. Age Twelve, Nope, not gonna let you do it. I said, Tommy, you got to help me. Tommy comes over in full uniform. Mom and okay, you look like you're going to be protected. And then I always tell my mom I used to run. My mom was with us in this world and she's gone onto a bigger and better place now, but it was funny. She said when I was twelve, she I remember this bit of that. She said, I'm so afraid you're going to get hurt. And when I broke my leg, my leg was broken in eighty five, I called my mom and I said, as a matter of fact, when I was laying on the field and bubba tire, our Bubba, came out, our ter came out. I'm laying on the field. I turned. The first thing I said, the first thing I said I turned to Bubba and I said, Bubba, please call mom and tell her I'm okay. Yeah, that was the first thing I said. And then then then I saw my mother and I said see mom, your wish finally came true. I did get her. So you know, it went full it went full cycle for us as far as MOM and so I'm go right, I can imagine that a good run up until that point. You. Yeah, I think it excellent. Yeah, there were a few little Nix along the way, but other that was the big one. You know, that was a that was a major one, I would have to say so, Joe. One of the things we'd love to ask every guess from when they were a kid and Dave, you think we're about ninety percent right now? Yes, is that? Did you play whiffleball as a kid? Oh Heck yes, yeah, absolutely. You know, you had to end and no, I mean it was there were, of course there were different size whiffleballs. To remember that there you had to you had a bigger ones where you really started to hit it, and then you've got the smaller ones where you could throw curves and and sinkers and everything else with it. So, Oh, yeah, I played. We used to play stickball off of the wall at at the school and whippleball was was part of it. And you know, the neat thing was is we would we would take chalk and we would walk off the bases and we would draw a basses with chalk on the asphalt and all that kind of stuff. Absolutely, I played. Well, you know what's funny as that we did all that to Dave and I love talking about that because the kids today, you never see somebody in the field. You never see him out there when they don't have to be doing those kind of things. Are Experiment. We were talking about how we would get a bat and, you know, take a foam piece of foam. My Dad used to bring back from PPG the and we just play stickball. Like you. You just made sports up and kids just yeah, I think they're so right there missing that. Today they are to a degree. And you know, society has changed so much and obviously social media has made a world of difference in all of the Games. I mean, look at look at the competition they have when it comes to the Games. You know your Gamers, I mean Ninja. Yeah, I had the chance to meet Ninja, who is, you know, fortnight's ultimate Gamer. Had a chance to chance to meet the young man out of the SB's a couple of years ago. Terrific young man. He generates darn near a million dollars a month and endorsement. I mean, nobody's hitting so so who cares if somebody's making twelve million to your playing football? You're not getting hit, you're not getting beat up. You become a bigtime Gamer. I mean people pay to watch people pay to watch him play fortnight. Yeah, they log on and I mean I wasn't aware of all this. It was really funny. We got our picture taken together and I tweeted it out and I got like three hundred responses.

Oh Man, you met Ninja. Wows, I thinking. Okay, I guess I entered a new a new realm of life here. But right, yeah, it's it's different for kids today. I think they have there's a lot of different pressures that they go through. And you know, you see whiffled you know what you know what they do it. You know, you see kids is at the beach. Yeah, you know, in the summertime or you're out in California or down in Florida, you know, someplace where there's a beach, you'll see you'll see Frisbees, you'll see whiffleball, you'll see football games. That's sort of the one place where you see that at that quote unquote, extracurricular type of activity. Now they are the whizzleball kit though, with a ball attached to the bat that you'd see it like drug stores and stuff like that. It is harder to find. Yeah, it is. It's all gosh. Yeah, you have to have the kids in a place where there's nothing else like. So there's no Wi fi, right, nobody. So they go play there. Yeah, they can have their phone, they just can't have wi fi exactly. And you know, and you're talking about esports, but there's two hundred colleges going to be by the end of this year that give fool scholarships for playing esports, which is amazing. You know that, you know they're doing it is incredible. I mean the yeah, I mean the curriculum that's available to two kids today, both high school and collegiate level. You know, it's a funny thing, though, because I know part of what you guys deal with is the social aspect of life too. And and I I'm all for having a degree in technology, but I ask people this when it comes to vocations, who's going to when you have a problem in your house, with your plumbing, what are you going to do? Right? Are you going to look it up one line and figure out how to fix it, or you going to call a plumber? Yeah, when you're building houses and you have to wire the houses electrically, you're going to just do it through a manual or pull it off the computer, or are you going to call electrician? To me, I would love to see the government getting more involved in and and and schools and universities and high schools, create more vocational schools, because not everybody's cut out in it. I mean, you're just not, not every not everybody's a game Er. Not Everybody's involved in that. I think you need to be able to give young people an opportunity to choose a vocation. Now that requires work. I realize that as a nasty word, and you have to put the hours in, but me you put the you put the hours in in a classroom to learn things. You can do the same thing when it comes to location and truthfully, you'll make as much money, if not more, coming out of the blocks then you would in other aspects of working society today. Right. You love the building that we're in, Joe. It's called the Energy Innovation Center. There's a hundred, ninety companies who participate in this and what this place will do there. They're part of thirty different high schools around here and kids. They bring kids in and the company CCHSE kids curriculum and in six to nine weeks they can go out and get a fulltime job, because not every king's going to go to college. So Dave and I are really proud to be part of the Energy Innovation Center here and what they're doing. That's wonderful, that's terrific. But you know, like you said, we want to teach class on you know it and different things these kids. You know, I think that you don't necessarily have to go to school for a long time to learn how to do certain things. You know and and if you can learn in six to nine weeks, more power to you and you don't come out. But some people have the some people, some some young people, have the aptitude to be able to do that. Others it takes long, long ago, I mean I wasn't. I went to school with with guys and Gals who they didn't study a lot, and I needed to. I mean I couldn't when I was in college, I could do some of the things my friends were doing. There were going out and I was. I was I'd go to study hall and I said maintain a certain GPA or also, was it going to be able to play ball? Right, we were right, playing whisketball in the backyard. That's why. Yeah, right, yeah, that's exactly right. That's what we were doing. So did you go what was the name of Your High School in New Jersey? South South River High School in South River New Jersey, where the South River Rams? Did you were you a three sport athlete? I was. I played basketball, baseball and football. As matter of fact, my wide receiver in high school was a guy that you're familiar with by the name of Drew Pierson. Yes, what's Alsa? Yep, drew. After and I graduated, drew became the quarterback and then when he graduated high school, he went to Tulsa as a quarterback and they moved him to a wide receiver. Yeah, you know, he should be in the hall of fame. He should be. He's one of the great cowboys of all time. He...

...is. So you say that to two red skins. One of the greatest goal racle in Minnesota all time as well one of the one great school hurricanes fall till. You can't free about that. I'm sorry, it's Arizona Day. went the Arizona so we have to hear about Arizona. Care really talks football, but we're decently whops. Enough South River. When did you first get, like, start getting recruited, or did you always know how to go to Notre Dame? No, no, it's matter of fact that I originally signed to North Carolina State University. I at. What I did was I was recruited. You know, I you have to understand I was five feet ten and a hundred and fifty two pounds when I graduate from high school. Now keep in mind I played fifteen years of professional football, three in the Canadian Lake, twelve in the NFL, and never weighed more than a hundred eighty five pounds. Wow. So I've never I've never was, you know, you're a you're you're always been a bigger guy. Guys. So, but for me it was, you know, I was a little guy. And so I was recruited by a number of schools, the Ivy League. Schools wanted me to go to yeah, to the other schools before I could go there and and I just didn't want to do that. So I chose five schools. And I love the state of North Carolina even to this day. My youngest son, Patlas and in Greensborough. But I looked at wake forest, University of North Carolina, North Carolina State, Penn State, Notre Dame. But those were the five have trips that I made and my high school coach was a guy named a Ron Will Chicki, and Ron backed up Roman Gabriel at North Carolina State. I thought, Hey, that's a good reason to go to school. Right exactly. So you know, I'd Earl Edwards was the coach and I signed to go to North Carolina State University. And then I hadn't made the trip to Notre Dame yet, but I figured, you know, they came to me said look, we'd love to have you come out. I so, I've already committed to North Carolina state. They said we're an independent school. It's not going to affect your eligibility in any way. If you do decide to come here, you won't lose back then you'd lose a your of eligibility to transferred schools. And it didn't happen like it does today. We're guys just they commit at the age of ten and then at the age of twelve they commit again. At the age of fifteen they commit again. I mean it's just amazing the way it is in the announced side along the way. We did. Oh Yeah, you have to, you have to do you have to have an instagram. Need to you need to post it on instagram so that everybody knows you're changing your mind again. Right. So what I did was I made a trip out to Notre Dame. Rocky Blyer and Harshmoo were my hosts. Course, rocky the great stealer and even greater humanitarians. As far as we warn you, he was our second guest ever on our show. Yeah, Rock's the best. He's actually really my first insurance policy to a real work for yeah, mutual of New York. He so be my first policy. So I wound up going out to Notre Dame and I got off the plane in Nord New Jersey and my dad says be what do you think? I said I have to go to Notre Dame and he said why, and I said, Dad, I can't give you a specific reason other than the fact that it feels right. And I contend this that and for people watching and listening and if you trust your gut you're probably going to be right a lot more times than you're wrong when you allow your head to start thinking about the scenarios of where you are and what you're doing right. And so it was really it was a gut call for me and that's sort of the way I've operated to a large degree in my life. If it feels right, then I'm going to look at it really hard. If it feels wrong, I'm going to walk away from it, no matter what the deal is. And that's that's been someone something that I've really adhered to most of my life. Yeah, no, that's that's a great thing to use as your gut because it's going to lead you in the right direction most of the time, like you said, and you just know when you walk into a place where you walk into situation and it's like this is not me, this is not who I am, I going to get out of here. Well, you can. You know, you walk into about you go in or restaurant us. What I try to do with my restaurant Washington is I want people to walk in and feel like it's it's a comfortable place to be. That's one of the things we all strive for in this business is the experience of being someplace comfortable, some plate. You know, you want to have great food, you want to have great service, unique good pricing, but you need to create an environment and an atmosphere where people feel like they want to spend time. What type of food are you service? Great, great food. I likes. That sounds good. That's good. So Great. It's actually it's American cuisine. It's in Alexandria, Virginia. We've been there thirty two years now. I started in the restaurant business in one thousand nine hundred and seventy five, and then I had six at one time while I was playing ball, which is a little bit of your plate. Yeah, yeah, a lot of work,...

...a lot of and they were rolling. They were all they weren't real close to where I live. So the furthest one was an hour and twenty minutes away. The closest was forty five minutes. So I'd spend three nights a week there and it was just a it was a challenge. I mean I never closed one, I never was never was there till midnight. But you walk around and shake hands with people and it's hard when you're losing too. Yeah, that when, and I've told as Jay Schreider. Jay Schreider got in the restaurant business. I told Jim Kelly this. Jimmy got in the restaurant business. Something off. I says, you don't want to do that. He's, well, I'm just you know, they just want me to they just want to use my name. I said yeah, but they're going to ask you to show up three days a week, whatever it might be, and if you're not winning, you're not going to feel like going out and shaking hands with people and explaining to him why, what's going on? Right? But I did it for I did it for a number of years and now I just have my name on one and we're about to read we're just going through a remodel and we're going to have sort of an opening party the eighteen of September and Alexandria. So were sort of a new phase of our restaurant business. Well, let's hope the Redskins win. Yeah, you know, Te with it would it always helps at it's our tie. Our Fan base is just tired. You know, I think they the expectations you get built up. Our defense is going to be really good. We've got we have half of the Alabama defense starting for us now. Offensively, case is new to it, dwayne. We drafted number one, I, number one kick out of Ohio state, Terry mcallen mcclaren, who's a heck of a wide receivers, a good one, and and Huntes sweat as another good young man. And you know, we've got the last three years. We have twenty. Eight of our twenty nine draft choices are on the roster. Lets. It's a young football team, but you know, Dustin and you were part of the secession there and at in Washington. I believe since one thousand nine hundred and eighty five there have been thirty six or thirty seven different starting quarterbacks in Washington. Yeah, in thirty four years. I mean last year we have four. It's all the word for weeks. Yeah, it's it is. The grounds are they just haven't been around as long since he came back in the league. But it's about averaging one point two a year's well, I just got an email. I think same thing with the dolphins. Right, yes, Marino left, there's been I think. I look and look at Denver. Yeah, other than Peyton. I mean other than Peyton. John's been looking out there for somebody to come in and be got. Now you know they're going to have to look again because you know Joe flaccos don't spring chicken, Eina, right, right, jog. You know brings it bigs up an interesting point, guys, and I don't know how you feel about it, but there's two things. Number one, coaches are under the gun to win, so you you need ownership that allows you to develop the position of quarterback. Secondly, college is aren't really teaching guys how to play the position. We invested, you know they I mean I didn't start till one thousand nine hundred and seventy eight. I got in the League and seventy four, I mean I said creep. I learned how to play the position, I learned how to be a professional, I learned how to study, I learned how to take care of my bike, as we didn't take care of our bodies like they do now back then. But get you learn all those different things about professional football that you think you know but you really don't until you get into it. Now you throw the kids out there and if you don't have an offensive line, you know, you get a guy like Joey Herrington who gets beat to hack, or or even Andrew Luck, who's been even though he's played soot six seven years, got got beat up all the time. Well, you know, you you know. With the way it is now, the I think the NFL went more towards college than more of college going towards the NFL. You just don't see the run games, you don't see the way you light up an eye formation, you don't see the big power packs anymore. And you know a lot of that it's all shotgun and five wides and coordinators are good. They're going to figure out how to hit you, and hit you often. Yeah, they got, but did you know what? There's one thing I contend now. I'm I'm progressive and I like to look ahead. I like to spend things ahead. I understand, you know, the things that are happening in the evolutions of games and society everything else, guess. I promise you. If we lined up in a goal line formation, put a full back back there. Maybe he isn't, maybe, maybe you don't carry a full back. Maybe it's an offensive line and maybe it's a defensive line. Who or tight all, a tight end, whatever you want, you put that behind the running back. You give me. You give me two tight ends, three tight ends, and then you line up and then you have a you have a you know, you would maybe have a boot to the off side of where the WIG is, maybe run play action to the to the tight end side where the wing is, or you hand the ball. I promise you you're going to convert more third ones doing that. Then you are with some...

...of the formations at these coaches come up with today. Yeah, Joe Camrare, producer and I were just at lunch and we were talking about that. The steelers. They were down twenty nothing. Third and one, this in the debaffle in New England and they're in a shotgun with no backfield. I mean like, yeah, I said, if they just do a play ash into the tight end, it's going to work about eighty percent a time. But no, I'ms I listened. I listened to Chris Day, I listened to Chris Collinsworth make the same comment. He said, look at how the game has changed. It's third and one and they're in shotgun. Yeah, it's unbelievable. I mean, well, I mean to to. It's you know, it's like the chances of first of all, the chances of getting a holding penalty are good, right. Secondly, some guys swatting the ball in the are knocking the ball in the air, knocking it down, but good, the receiver not being open, the all those bad things can happen. You line up in a power formation, you limit the bad things and not to me. I maybe call me stupid, but I've always thought about how do you eliminate the bad things that can happen in the game and just have the positive things happen. You know, I mean we we want a super bowl because of it. I mean, well, yeah, John Broke. John broke is a fourth and one for us and made the difference in the game. You're right, one of the classic plays and and it's all history. Yeah, no doubt. And here here's the here's another one for you. How about the Seattle Seahawks in the New England Patriots Super Bowl? Oh Man, I don't I mean that's her don't know how you make that call. And and then at lant is the same way. All you know, if Atlanta Falcons knelt down three, three downs, it's it's said one. Yeah, Matt Riley, we totally different. person. You know absolutely. I mean people, would you know? You're if you want a world championship? It's a small fraternity. I think there's only thirty five of us, thirty four of us, that have won world championships. And we can think when you think, we're but fifty three super bowls, and this is what we're looking at. I mean just just in the s. You still have guys. Of course, Tom is sort of dominated it over time. Here. Imagine that you play half your career, half your career you've played in super bowls. Yeah, that's insane. No, no, I played fifteen years me. I don't even get to get to one. You know or not it's to me. It's amazing. Hey, Joe, going back to Notre Dame it. Tell us what it's like you, I mean you're in the glory years of Notre Dame. What's that experience like? You're with the one of the greatest coaches ever. You have right. Are Ires a teammate? Yeah, I mean it was a was a really a great time probably to be a on a fighting Irish tell us about that. Well, you know, when I one thousand nine hundred and sixty seven, when I went to Notre Dame, like I said, I committed to Notre Dame, freshman were in eligible to play Varsity Ball, so we were. We got the scrimmage with them, but we never we got to get beat up by them, but we never got to play. So we had a we had a we had a home and home series against Michigan State, of which and then Pittsburgh had three games. We played the Pittsburgh game. The Michigan State stuff got snowed out, so we never had a chance to place. We had one one game as a freshman and, like I said, I'm a skinny little kid. I'm one of third. Notre Dame had signed thirteen quarterbacks in the nineteen sixty seven class, and that's her. I was one of I was one of thirteen quarterbacks. But what they did is, back in the late s they didn't recruit to specific positions like they do today. So some of those quarterbacks became defensive backs, one became a tight end. Who became linebackers, think, three became wide receivers, one became a running back, couple became DD's. So you know, you go after that athlete and then you make that athlete into something else. I was too skinny for them to do anything but allow me to play quarterback. And, by the way, my first seven games of my sophomore year I returned punts. My first two years in the NFL I returned punts. But you know, going there, going to the university, not to dame especially, was all guys and we had a curfew. So it was like a military school to a degree, I guess, and I wasn't a good student. So I you know, I spent went in on two dates my first two years. same girl names Margie broadwick. Still Remember Marguie, I guess, is around up becoming president of a bank in Chicago somewhere and had children, got married and all that. But I just I had to. I played football, I studied and that's where. That was my life the first two years of my college experience, and then I shot pool also. That was by other thing I just we had a school hall at a place called the huddle where I used...

...to go and spend an afternoon. All my classes were finished at one o'clock both semesters. I just like it that way. I'm going to early riser anyway, always have been. So my classes were done and then and then you know, I'd had the afternoon for either football practice or it was offseason, go shoot some pool and then go to study hall and and try and keep my grades up. I wasn't I wasn't a good student when I went in, but I graduated, I think, with a three huh when I left. So I worked hard at trying to be a good student and this is the thing that this is the thing that when I think back on my career. We see young guys coming out today and guess you play with them that senior year of college, that Fourth Year of college, you grow physiologically, you grow psychologically, you grow physically, you grow mentally. That's such a critical period for young men and young women and we see in particular young guys coming out after they're, you know, their red shirt juniors and they come out early and they're really not ready for our game. You see it basketball more than anything that some of the tragedies and basketball would young guys just not being able to deal with the road. And you're coming into a man's world, speaking specifically of the football world, and you're coming into an adult world where all of a sudden you were a you're a kid. Really, what you ares your kid? Yep, you, you think you've figured it out, but you have it. I've always said that there's no way anybody could go right from high school to play in the NFL. There's just in pobl like basketball, like there's a few. Yeah, but like even though you name a shack or Lebron James or anybody, they could never come out and play professional football. They would just get annihilated. Remember there was talk about Labour Arrington. If there could have been someone, it maybe was him, but it was not a real no, I don't think as anybody ever played the game now, I agree with you. It's not realistic. Joe, do you remember the first snap he took his quarterback for the Irish cheese? was that like you're now, but sophomore year then? Or when? Did you when? In my sophomore year, you'll actually it was. It was the seventh was against, I think, Pittsburgh my sophomore year, because what had happened. We were getting ready to play Pittsburgh in the seventh game I was. I was returning punts my sophomore year with Bob Ladgiet. We were the punt returners and then Terry Hanwaty, who was a high span trophy candidate. You know, rocky was in the backfield and Terry was the court of a demore and Terry Hanwrity, when the cover sports illustrated as a dynamic duo right. And then, I think it was a Friday afternoon Terry. We were running short yardage and goal line and Terry got his knee rolled up on and Ara had Coley O'Brien, who at quarterback do to day in one thousand nine hundred and sixty six to a national championship and then he had at a guy name of Bob Belden. Were two seniors and me, so the and Terry. We're the four quarterbacks. Terry was the starter. He got hurt. Area had coldy to go to if he wanted to, but he put me in and I asked him many years later why and he said I just felt like you were ready to play and I thought wow, you know, I just you know, all of a sudden you go from punt returner, which basically happened that in professional football. For me, to it's you step in the huddle and here's a team that they won a national championship two years ago and you've got all these all Americans, and now you know it's put up or shut up time right. And you know we fortunately the first two games only played the first half because we had like forty plus point leads. And then we played the University of Southern California out on the coast and we played them to a I believe it was a two thousand and twenty one time and play. We tied them twice one seventeen and seventeen, I think, at our place in two thousand and twenty one that year, and that was OJ Simpson was. He was a senior. It's the lowest total in college that he was held to rushing in. One thousand nine hundred and Thousan nine hundred and sixty sixty seven. Yeah, we were. It was unbelievable. I mean so many guys. If you look at take that national championship game between Michigan State Notre Dame, I think there's somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty plus guys went on to professional football off those teams. That's like a like a crazy road game. It was, I mean it was, it was, it was, you know, it was unbelievable, but I I don't you know, it was. I do remember the game and I don't remember the first snap. But you know, the other thing that happened to me in college is by name was changed. A lot of people there. You know the story. You know, I can tell it if you want. And Yeah, they I had a really good junior year and so I only played three games by sophomore year. Had a really good junior year and Roger of vads a Serry was our sports information director. So Roger Calls me...

...in the office. He said, Joe, how do you pronounce your last name. I said it's these. He's no, it's not. It's actually fiesman. I said no, Roger's seas. He said no, Joe, it's Siesman. As it. Give me the phone. I call my dad back home in New Jersey and anytime I ever talked to my call my daddy always say far away, Joe, like at my dad will said pop, got this question for you. Far Away. I said, dad, tell me how do you pronounce our last name? And there's like this dead silence on the phone and then my dad comes on. I said, son, are you all right? Mean you're senior in college. You don't know how to pronounce your last name. What's going on? I said now, I'm okay, Dad, just I'll explain it later. Just tell me how do you pronounce our last name? He said these hunt up the fly survives. Let my last name is these, but I know I just got phone. My Daddy said, Joe, there's a trophy outs are called the Heisman Trophe, because best college football playing country. We think you have a chance to win that trophy, but we're not just going to count on the reputation of the University of not day, nor your athletic skills. But we think by just simply changing the pronunciation of your last name from thiesman to thighs and to rhyme with Sisman, we can get you that trophy. That's how I became Joe Thismans and stuck after it. Well, I did. I mean it's didn't fifty plus years. But I also called my grandmother, was the matriarch of our family. And I call my grandmother because I sort of wanted family approval right, and I explain to her. I said they want to change the pronunciation of oilence. Then she's like, tell you what she said. Do you know what that they call it plunciations, actually Tyspin, and that seems to be closer than what we have now, so to fine with. So she gave me Your blessing and today here I am Joe Frest. Rest is history. The rest is since well, the the heisman voters may not have agreed, but I think it sounds a lot better than plunk it. Yeah, exactly exactly did you? You went to you know, it's really funny about that year, though, guys. Seriously, you know the eighty three. Everybody talks about the eighty three class of quarterbacks. Yeah, Marino and it all those the this is the seventy one class. Can Pastini out of Santa Clara, Dennis Stummad add a UCLA, chuck Hickson out of SNU, REX current out of Ohio state, Archie Manning out of Mississippi, Jim plucket out of Stanford, Joe, thisman Atta Notre Dame. It's a pretty good group because that's a yeah, we there was a they did a Bunchet of Sport magazine did a shot of us at so the actually the seventy one class has more rings than the eighty three class. So yeah, those kids. I agree that. Yeah, definitely, there's about it. So, Joe, when you were at Notre Dame, did you have a favorite like, did you have a favorite quarterback and that was playing in the NFL that you looked up to or always admired? Joe Names was always my hero. I GREW UP IN JERSEY. You know, Joe with the jets. I mean Joe, Joe, nameth, Johnny and I is in part star. When I was a kid growing up, I cut off, I cut out pictures of Sport magazine that they were down the covers and I had them nailed to the wall in my room. My Dad built a little room when I got older for me up in the attic and you always had to duck down, but it was an old freight ain't for a frame house in it and I saw I'd nail it on the wall. Those were by three heroes and had a chance many years later to be a part of a quarterback club and be around them and you know, Ne Part and of course you know Johnny. Had a chance to see him and Joe and Joe and I to this day still, you know, talk and he just was my hero. Well, there's a lot of pride here in Pittsburgh still about the western PA quarterbacks. And you know you're mentioning unit has nameth, I mean Terry Hanrat. He's from Butler, which is just up the street, and we got guys here. I mean it's a yeah, the pool. Well, you're still livable. No, you know, everybody thinks up from everybody thinks I'm from Pennsylvania. They do, I mean just because of so many court Joe's, Montana's, Adam Anango, he look. Yeah, I mean there's so many any guys that it chose out of beaver falls obviously. Yeah. Well, I had coaches out of beaver faults. Yeah, I had when Joe Coach the steelers, he coached the jets. Matter of fact, the year we went to the Super Bowl, the jets lost to the Miami Dolphins in the AFC championship game. All right, don't right, I don't want to plane against my coach. Right, exactly. Yeah, I mean just the guys. And you always get asked when you're from here and you played quarterback, like what's in the water and in Pittsburgh? I said there's a lot of mine run off up here, so that could have something to do with hey, we bos see. We we had a lot of syringes in the Jersey. Yeah, we had all those, but I read river and all I always say the real thing is that most of our dads were tough mill guys right, that they were full time workers. And I always tell a story about when I was in eighth grade and and I broke my foot and I went home as a dad, my it is after the first practice of my foots killing me, said well, you got one choice. I said what' That Dad? He said, well, I just bought you those cleats.

We're not taking them back because I can't. So you're going to have to tie your shoe tighter and play the rest of the season. And that's what I did. You know, it's just, yeah, the mentality and you just never thought anything else of it. A Jim Kelly said, it's the way of what Jim Kelly? That's right, Jim. Tell you another one. Jack Kelly's just up the stream from guss and Eastbury. Yeah, he grew up right up the road for me. So a lot of great quarterbacks here. And so when you're going through through you know, and you go through the heisman and all that. What was the whole draft and all? We've talked to rocky about how he found out. What was that draft setting like for you? It was terrible, you know, because the expect I mean I'm I'm runner up to the eyes with trophy. Where where nationally ranked team? And I mean we had a heck of a season. I think we were my senior year. We were thirteen and one. I think, maybe something like that. Twelve, I guess, maybe ten and one, something somewhere around there, right. And so there was there was this expectation that I'd get drafted Puss. The other thing too, and this is I don't have to you guys, but I had all these teams contacting me saying hey, you know, if you're around in the second round, we're going to take it. The Dallas Cowboys, the Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah, I wanted to sort of play close to home. So the giants were a team. And and so I'm sitting in Rudder Vald the Serti's office the day of the draft and first round goes by and Jim goes and archie goes and I'm thinking, Wow, you know, pretty cool. And then nothing. The second round goes by and nothing. Third round goes by and I finally went to Rod dresses. I'm not going to sit around here wait all this crap. I'm going to play basketball. Somebody drafts me, coming getting right, and I went down, I started playing basketball and then about an hour later Roger came down. He said Joe even drafted by the Miami Dolphins, who already had Bob Greasy. Right, I went okay, fine, you know, but I got drafted my this you'll love this. I never wound up being a Miami Dolphin. I wound up going to Canada. So I get drafted by the dolphins. Coach Choole of love noted name guys. Yeah, so coach coach Chula thinks I'm going to be a Miami Dolphin. He goes off the leak meetings. I go down to negotiate my contract. I get on Miami TV and I said come Heller high water, I'll be a Miami Dolphin. Ya would be. So I sit down, they mail me my contract. Well, first of all I walk in. Mr Robbie, who, right, I negotiated my contract with, who was the owner, said what do you want? You'd love these numbers. I said I want three Thousan five hundred and forty five and fifty five thousand dollars, about thirty fivezero cycle bus, Ninja. There were Jo yeah, right. They said those numbers are sort of reserved for second rounders. I said, I'm not, that's what I want. Yeah, and the cars. Yeah, yeah, why not? You know, we're, you know, key to the bathroom, right. But the tweet the deal. So I wind up going back home and what they did was is I broken the bonus down into three, three over the three years for tax purposes, twelve and eleven, and they had me paying back my bonus if I didn't show up the third year, I'd have to pay back the bonus and I said this isn't right. The bonus is unconditional to be showing up. You got to remember to back in one thousand nine hundred and seventy one we were still involved into the Vietnam more so I didn't I didn't know whether I'd be called in the military service. Who Watch? So it was the it was winding down, but there was still a you know, was still the time in society when it existed, and so I got into a hassle with them. In the Toronto Argonauts, a drafted be and I flew to Canada and gentleman by name of John Pass had owned the team, and I went to another gentleman's house, Herbs Alway, was his attorney. They may be an author. was fifty US dollars, yeah, which the money it was. It was it was high, but it wasn't like crazy high. And then they said to me, if you leave the country tonight you don't sign this contract, it's off the table. And I got back and forth with the dolphins and and they find the dolphins finally said, okay, you keep the bonus, but I got so disillusioned with the process that I wind up signing with the argonauts. So Shula doesn't even know this is going on. Oh yeah, the hopps on it. So I signed with the ARGONAUTS. I get back to South Bend my phone rings at Zero Am. It's era. This is what in Heaven's name have you done? As I signed with the Toronto Argonauts, he says, I know, she was on a plane up here right now from Miami to see Don. flew up and read me the riot act. He Adam moral obligation to be in Miami, Dolle. So well, you have a moral obligation not to screw around my contract. That's when I learned the value of a good agent. Right, you get if you try and do things yourself. You get emotionally involved, which really contrary to that. I did my last contract with Jack Kent Cook, but he was going to give me whatever...

...he wanted to give me in one thousand nine hundred and eighty four and it didn't matter whether I had an agent or not. So, Maverick John Riggins, I think we're the only two, basically did our deals with Mr Cook, and so I want to up go into the ARGONAUS and in one thousand nine hundred and seventy four, George Allen traded a number one pick to the Miami Dolphins for my rights and I became a risk. That's that want of the Washington what were things like? is in the CFL and other fields a little bit different? There's probably other Oh yeah, I'm much bigger, much, much more wide open, much bigger. I mean I it's really funny, guys. I can remember as many guys from my argonaut days as I can almost of my red skin days. Just the players. We had it there. I played with Jim Still Wagon, who was an outland trophy winner at Ohio State. I played with Granmville Liggins, who was a outland trophy winner at Oklahoma. I played with Dave Rainey, who was drafted by the Green Bay packers, was a defensive pack. Marvel Luster was an all American safety out of UCLA. Mel Profit was an all American tight end. Eric Flee Allen was an all American out of Michigan State. X Ray Leon mcquay was a running back at a Tampa ran like four, two five. Noah Jackson was a guard. For me, went to Chicago Roon Niccologic was a tackle. He went to the giants but was really great. Is One of my my center was a guy by the name of Paul Djard and he was a PhD in biochemistry. Wow, he sounds my other way. Should have said by heaven, Notre Dame. I should have sat by him and all the time. Well, the other wide receiver to Eric Allen was a guy by the name of Mike Eban. Mike was a PhD in Germanic language. Yeah, it's so we had a blend of guys who couldn't spell cat from guys who could dissect a cat. And it was, it was, it was. It was an unblood but we went to the Great Cup, which is the and it's interesting. The Great Cup in Canada is different than the Super Bowl in the United States. The Super Bowl in the United States basically is a corporate event and you get representatives of the city and the teams that are there, right, but it's basically a corporate event. In Canada. It divides the country yet the east versus the West, the western conference versus the Eastern Conference. And so we were Toronto, we were in the east, we played Calgary in the West, and it was it was just, you know, the fans chose side and they don't care if it's, say it's twenty O, they're going to play it. Oh, heck no, heack no. I mean I played in front of the coldest temperatures that I've ever played in my life up there. What do you feel deals were them learn from? Big Enough? Yeah, what do you think the skills where you learned from playing in Canada compared the American football? It's the thing that the thing that I learned is I learned. You learn how to manage a game, you learn how to manage your body, you learn how to study. You learned at the speed of the game. We only had three downs up there. Yeah, you know, you learned to throw a little bit more. The field is wider, the field is longer. It's basically a soccer field, just having a chance to play. That's sort of why when I went to Canada, but I said, don't you regret not going to the dolls we have. The only went to three super bowls the three years I wasn't there. Matter of back moral. Who quarterbacks most of the undefeated season in seventy two? Right, I would have been that quarterback because when I left in seventy one day a dawn went and got earle and and got him and he began the Quitt you know, people don't realize the one thousand nine hundred and seventy two Miami Dolphin undefeated football team was quarterback predominantly by earle moral right and Bob Grea. Yeah, Bob came in at the end. Yeah, yeah, yea. And so it was. It taught me. It taught me. The game taught me how to tell me a lot about I don't think you can read a book on tennis and go try and being rafts the all the doll okay, I think I think you have to go through the experience of and that was the best way to learn, I think. Yet you felt that way too, didn't you guess? When you got in the game, as many every days a learning process. Well, you know, for me, Joe, it was it was the chance that I had because he didn't show up for training camp and I got to take all those reps. that was so big for me because I never had those reps with those kind of athletes at Tulsa. So all of a sudden I get to perform every day with reps and going against Daryll Green and the other you know people that we had playing defense and saying, okay, I'm honing my skills to throw the ball at time and where I should throw it. If I would have never had that opportunity, I would have never played fifteen years in the least. See I was at. I was that way in seventy four when it was a strike here and billy and Sonny wearning camp and I crossed the line. I mean what you talked about not being a very welcome...

...individual. Not only did I shoot my mouth off, not only there were there two guys who were, I know, shooting your mouth world. Well, you know, occasionally safe, but it was, it was, it was, it was. I mean you're on a bus and your teammates are they're calling your scabs and yeah, you know all these, you know. and and see the skins in the night in the early s. They were the strongest union team in football. Yeah, they were. They were older guy. George had brought a bunch of older guys over from the rams when he came and they were Jack Pardie Gyren, Talbot, Billy Kilmer, Sonny Jurgensen, I mean Lenny Hoss I mean Max Fisher. My SASS was Sam on the team. Yet up no, Sam had gone. Sam played earlier than I did. Ye Sam had left the giants, went to the Redskins and then, you know, I had been gone. But I did play against you know, I lined up against the great ones in the game. I mean will I never fear my first professional game. One thousand nine hundred and seventy four. We play the Kansas City chiefs at our place and Willie Lanier is the Middle Linebacker and I, you know, I'm I love football. I loved it when I was a kid. I so all these guys do, all these guys, I'd seen them on TV and it's really great. Now, all of a sudden, I mean uniform and and I'm playing the Kansas City chiefs and I'll get to the line of scrimmage and Willie near had this this pad on the top of his hat, look like something out of a space movie, and I kept staring at him going wow, man, really lanner, five yard penalty to lay a game. I got a namer hearing at Willie and I got a five yard penalty as my first play. So it's you never know what's going to happen right. Well, you know, and you've made all kind of transitions, like even when you were playing you've done things where you've appeared in movies and TV shows, and so tell us what that was like for you. It was fun. I mean we had a treveendous amount of success. I did my first one of the first movies I did was I did with George Raft that was called a man with bogars face, and then I did Terry Bradshaw, I did cannon bawl one, I did cannon ball to with Burt Reynolds, and I mean it was an ensemble. It was an unbelievable ensemble of actors. I mean Sammy Davis Jr, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Charles Nelson, Riley, Jackie Chan, Richard Keel, who used to play jaws and all the bond movies, right. And then I work with Catherine back and Susan Anton, and then there was Shirley mclaine was in it and Jamie far was in it. Was it louise and that one too, dom dom was in that. As a matter of fact, Peter Doms son directed me in the last movie I did with the hallmark movie. I did really. So, yeah, so don was there and of course bird was dom as funny as I know all the outtakes shown to be. They were. I mean those guys were hysterical. You know, burt was really the sort of the straight guy and dom was hysterical. I mean, and in Sammy, where we'd have a break. We shot an old Tucson out there as Anna. When we'd have a break, Sammy used to have six shooters and he could spend them and it would you know, we Si, you'd have a break and it was I mean, I had a chance to see in the around some of the greatest actors of all time and and just fun people. I mean they know what people don't understand. I think they see the finished product of a movie, but they don't understand how hard the actors work to do what they want to do. For example, I had a conversation with Matthew mcconaughey just recently, who's incredible human being. He's actually a professor at the University of Texas. Now, yeah, he's teaching film, right, he's teaching. Yeah, he's teaching at Texas. He's been there since like two thousand and fifteen, but now he became a true professor. And you know, we talked about movie roles and he said, you know, you just you have to immerse yourself to a point where when people he said, the greatest compliment I get is when people come up to me and say you are that character character, like the you know, the Dallas Buyers Club. You are that character. Yeah, that it's not you're playing a character, but you are that character and and it's there's a lot of work and effort and I tremendous admiration for the people that do it on a full time basis. Yeah, I mean, though, that mean to you can absolutely watch a movement tell that guy's is true to form, true they own and it's true. Gotta work, know it's like it's really like laying quarterback. I mean you have to own the position right. Everybody on that steel everybody on that field and in that stadium has to know that you own that position right and and that's part of it. Well, Joe, you also you you were a guest star on...

...one of my all time favorite shows. That gets very little play and a lot of people don't remember it, but I do. B J and the bear, one of the greatest. One of the greatest opening theme songs, I think, in TV, and saying a little bit for a Noye Dave stopped to say, you don't they. We lost we lost gust a little while ago. Yeah, J in the Baronel. I don't know if I saw it. I've seen that there in the process and yeah, I did that. I did. Then I did Brooklyn Nine, yeah, with Andy and Adam and God was a charity. Yeah. So then Terry Cruis was on there too with you, right, Terry. Yeah, I did work with Terry. Terry wasn't there when I was there, but Terry was a red skin. Right, Terry played. Yeah, he's and then he's got on to do the expendables and other things that he said. A lot of movie. I think he's been in thirty movies, you know, playing, yeah, playing the about normally large character that's kind of threatened myself. I don't I don't have the text. He as. I mean, who has the Pexim but right, you know, the dancing peck right, exactly, exactly. Yeah. So, I mean you've had an amazing career. Everyone knows about your your your time at the red skins, and so what are the things that you're doing now some of the charities in your work with, maybe besides your restaurants? Are You doing anything else? Yeah, I matter of fact, I'm in Houston right now, is I'm talking to you. I'm doing a speech tomorrow to a group of real estate brokers. I've spoken just recently in Salt Lake City to the petroleum play packaging council. I did a speech in Chicago to Verizons at eyes report on healthcare. I do motivational speeches around the country. Have a book coming out in the spring called how to be a champion every day. No, well, so I've been working on that for a while. I think they're writing another movie. We're looking at another movie. We usually shoot them the end of October, November, so we're I'm waiting for the scripts to come through on that. And then I have five grandchildren and my oh yeah, they're they're great. And we have my wife saw on a big party for me this weekend for we're sort of celebrate my son Joe and I actually have the same birthday. Joey turned forty eight and I turned seventy on Monday. So Robin we're getting the family together for a big party over the weekend. Because I was actually working on my birthday and that's a Toronto and I love to play all. That's a Toronto. I love. That's right, little Joe's Chroma Baby. You must have some good so important Toronto General. Yeah, it was born in Torona. Joe. I'm forty eight. I know the dates. Yeah, you know the days. That's right. But now I've been, I've been very blessed. I love, I love. You know, we are what we are as as speakers, really story tellers, and I was funny when I got into business forty some years ago, you know, I used to listen to other people. I thought wow, and what unbelievable stories of their life and and the different things that you can learn from other people. And you know, I contend that, you know, life is a learning experience and you need to know more to a than you do yesterday and they need not to know more tomorrow than you did today. And just from different people that you've met, met different businesses, that they're in, different hobbies, they have coff I'm I'm an obsessive Golfer. I love the game. For do you two now? I'm actually a three. I don't. I'm not a plus guy. So I'm not quite there and I can't hit it as far. I can't reach the par fives into anymore. So the HANDICAPP has come up a little bit. Like some of these young guys. It just absolutely killed it. As you let me Cossy talk that young guys. I played, I play with some of the girls and the women, I should say the women on the LPGA tour today, and wow, oh, they never miss a plow that. It's just crazy. They don't, they don't, they don't. I mean, of course, if you, if if you and I chose that as opposed to football, we might be better. What at that? Oh, yeah, you know, than we are today. But last wing, when I was twelve instead of twenty two, I think I'd be a lot different. I've really started playing when I was forty. Wow though, I mean I just you know, we didn't, we didn't have it that, I mean really was it was. I worked and the kids were young. So, you know, you spend a lot of time with the children and I see guys that have known for a long time. So how's it going? Well, I have I have a four year old, of five year olds. So you're not playing golfs, you just you know, there ranging kids now, right, but I had in the charities I'm involved in a couple of the Jip v Foundation, the Jimmy v VV...

...foundation, something that I work with, and then also saying Judge Children's Research Center where we live in Memphis, Tennessee also and close to close to the fundraising for those two, those two charities. Yeah, that's great, that's great. Will make sure that we mentioned those with I thank you. One followed question going back to beg in the bear. Not. No, I'll lay off that, even though a lot of they weren't. Say Davey wants the debut. Want him to sing again. Don't say yeah, no, I great. But when there's thirteen quarterbacks in the in your recruiting class of noted, name how many before? First of what's a scholarship limited a time or and was it different for the independent schools, because that's unbelief. I'm where. Well, you know, I don't know the answer, but I think some were walk on. Okay, some were scholarship. Yeah, but you know, we recruit. They recruited basically, quote unquote, athletes right for so, yeah, you got the big athletes, you have the small athletes and then I remember Clarence Ellis was a defensive back with us. I think he was out of Atlanta and he was he was the only one that I knew was actually recruited as a corner. You know, other people safeties and linebackers. They just if you were a big quarterback, you really potentially could be a linebacker or tight end and if you were fast and lean you'd be a wide receipt. For me they would be re alignment and I recall there. Well, one thing we didn't talk about too and I just read this somewhere. They you were drafted in the major league baseball draft to yeah, baseball was my first love. What did you play? You pitch are I was a short stop. Now I pitched in the on little league and and all that. In the Ale a game I played triple a be a baseball and we used to go to Johnstown every year and playing tournaments up there. I was a I was a short stop by trade. I played third base in college because the short stop was on a scholarship so I wasn't going to play it there. I played seven games in college until Spring football started. I think six seven games and then then I went back to football. But yeah, I love base five. I have it on in the car. I listened to the nationals in Washington all the time. And you know I love the Yankees. You know they're just setting all kinds of records hit home runs. I don't know whether it's the balls or the bats or whatever it is, but you know where the drugs this is going to be a record. It's going to be a record here. I think they're going to shatter the record for home runs this year. I think Strang records. Yeah, but the pirates going to break games. Well, then they'll set their own record of worst second half collaps in team history. Once again. We have to we're both pirate fans, Joe, so it's tough living. Oh, what's your favorite baseball stadium to be a in attendance? APP How one? You know, I used old Yankee Stadium was grab played football. I played football in college. We went play army at Yankee Stadium. It with the monuments. That was that to me and I've never been. I've never been to Boston, so I haven't been into that one, but I would say Yankee Stadium. But was I used to go to the mets games a bit, but you. Yankee stadium was just so nostalgic. I remember spending time having dinner with Mickey Mammal One night and I thought I died and went to heaven and he was in Washington and my one of my partners, was some charge of the alumni for Major League baseball and we sat and had dinner one night just listen to stories about he and Billy Martin. And you know when I think it's really funny, I don't know if I collected baseball cards. I'm sure we all did, right, I said when I was still doing up I do when I was a kid growing up. I mean Tom Tresh will scour and Yoki Baron, Mickey Mantle, Roger Marris. I had, you know, I had all these great Yankee trading cards and I used them on my bike. Right, would you know? Your you put the card on the bike and make me lapping down. I think back now how much money was flapping around in my bicycle when I was a kick coming up save them. You know, I kind of get that way. Like we interviewed Robert Keamy junior and he's a good friend of mine, but so you know, and he talks about how he us his identity, because everybody thinks he's his dad, and I kind of see that because sometimes when I look at them and talk to him and we hear stories about, like my favorite player was because it was my dad's was Roberto, and it was just, you know, I'm still enamored. I have that's my favorite card. I have his rookie card and yeah, you know, it's just, it's just you get so an amored. Baseball was America's sport way back in the day before foot. Sure. Well, it's turn to court. As time moves on, to as time moves on, you know, the sons become the...

...father's right, because people, you know, they hear the name Roberto Clementi, and doesn't matter if I mean so many football players, to identify themselves as the third, Second Juniors today, right, you know, when you're when they hear a name as famous as that and they see somebody, they don't really think that this is somebody that would be ninety years old at this point his life. Yeah, you know. Well, I think about clementy to if you do go to a higher game and you're one of the fifty five hundred are there, there's about three hundred many jerseys. It's amazing the proportion of Clementy Jerseys at higher game still to this day and all over the world people love him. I mean there's parks and and and school's named after him. It's just an amazing story. All right, Joe, one last thing. We like to do what's called no huddle. We like to pepper you with some questions and have you answer them as fast you can and how it starts as so go ahead, Dave shoot. Okay, June, if you were a commissioner of one of the major sports leagues for a day, what rule would you change? I would it would be it would be professional football and I would do a better job of defining. I would make sure that we could define what it catches. Yeah, I don't know. Change. Nobody still know. No, we we love hardly a couple years ago. Right. It's just this is what it cats should be. If you have two feet in bounds and possession of the ball before you go out of bounds, that's a catch. If you catch the football and it touches the ground, whether it moves or not, as insignificant. That's incomplete. That's it. That's agree. I agree. You don't need to go to replay. We don't need to go to replay. Ball touch the ground, we don't need to see if it move to Milli. Me a millimeter, centimeter or whatever. Yeah, we just we move on. I agree. It's ridiculous. All Right, what's your biggest pet peeve? People being late for meetings. Always has been a better fact that it's like number one in the business world. What you're basically saying to everybody else is I'm better than you, I don't need to follow the same time frame you need to follow, and to me there's no greater insult than somebody showing up late for a meeting. Heck, we got fine, got you, you know, we caused US money. Yeah, I think that you know part of where it comes from for me, but I've always I believe in this siplins and you have to have them, and that's one that's very important. Well, it was my second year in the League and we were having training camp and Frostberg and and he was having our first, no second, child and I stayed as long as I could and I remember taking seventy and then getting on sixty eight and I had this car and had no power. I'm like, I'm going to be cutting it close. I remember walking in the meeting and everybody sitting there looking at me, and I was the only meeting I've ever been late to, and norve just goes, we'll talk about this later. I said, all, okay, you know, I'm just don't embarrass me in front all the other guys. You know it's embarrass yeah, no, we wouldn't do that, but I year right. I mean it's like and then everybody looks at you. Yeah, and it's like it's like, what makes you so special that you can't be here on time? Right, I have for that. That is but that is my single biggest pet. Peef. All right, Joe, if you could go back in time and tell a young Jeff Eisman one bit of advice, what would that be? Actually, I did one of those on whose website is? Is it jeter's? I think, has a website. We're go back and talk to the youngest, you know, to the younger Joe. But advice would you give the younger joe? I would still say that don't let anybody ever tell you that you cannot accomplish the dreams that you have. Right, don't, don't let anybody, don't let anybody else determine your future and tell you you can't do something? No, I gree I love it. One of my favorite show is because I love watching sports movies. What is your favorite sports movie? The blind side? The blind side, because I'm in it. Yeah, which she's in it? Yeah, which is basically they saw. It's you know, it's based off of my leg that. You know that one and the other one. Truthfully, North Dallas Forty, is is it not? North Dallas Forty? I think North Dallas Forty captured the world of professional football before anybody wanted to admit what it was. Right. No, I agree. Cold tubs, pills, drinking, Bill Smoking. You can get out everything, everything, you know, you win the parties. I mean it's the way it was, really was. It was a different it was a different time in a different era, but that was, you know, that was the way it was back then. Um, okay, Joe, if we, if we took a look at your phone and we strolled through it, who would be the most famous p person in your phone today? Oh Gosh,...

...maybe like a surprise person that we wouldn't expect, somebody you wouldn't expect. Yeah, see, I don't know. I mean, I've got a few it. I've got a few. I can't say I've got others. That's a good enough answer? Yeah, I gotta, I think. Yeah, but is that? Is that a good of it? Let me ask you this way. Do you have a former president in your phone? Because you may possibly have, could possibly have one of some of those. Yeah, that's actually you know, the most famous person for me and my phone is my wife, Robin. There you go, love it, love it. That's the one you got to call every day, every day. Funny, I go, I scrolled through my phone and I look at like two days of phone calls and it's like Robin is like every other one. Yeah, calls. A tech on a lot. I travel a lot, a you know, I got to see what's going on and you know, we've we get to visit, get caught up, and then all the kids, I'm sure, and then grandkids. It's kind of yeah, and then the grand kids, the grandkids are calling, and you know those those are I mean, and I say this to everybody, is you know. So we're so busy in life that we get going so fast in our own world that we forget that there's another world out there and that's that's what happened to me when I, you know, I might, Ego got so out of control it before I got hurt. They has a world champion and MVP of the League is so you knows. As a fourth highs paid player, you love this fourth ties day player national football in one thousand nine hundred and eighty four at a billion dollars a year, right, and which is crazy. And you know, you get, you get so wrapped up in your ego and all of a sudden, when the late break came, it slammed me back down to Earth. And now I appreciate people so much more. I appreciate my relationships with my family so much more. And and spend time with your kids, right. And if your children, if your children are involved in an activity, try and make a part of it. If you can't, if you can't get there for the whole game or you can't get there for the whole recital or whatever it might be, find a way to get there because, you know what, you never get that day back. Yeah, I'm driving to filly this weekend watch my daughter run a half marathon. So God bless you. Yeah, so, if we do that, everything's about kids. Thanks, Joe Hey, thanks for coming on spending some time with us. We really appreciate it. You're welcome. Guys, I enjoyed it thoroughly. Thank you. We want to thank you for listening to huddle up with gusts, a RADIOCOM original. You can find our show on RADIOCOM, the new RADIOCOM APP or anywhere you listen to your favorite podcast. Please leave us a review or comment if you enjoyed the show. We are on facebook, twitter, instagram and Youtube at huddle up with Guss. You can also visit us on our website, huddle up with guscom. Huddle up with gusts is produced by Cam Holdeman and our media relations director is Terry Shuman. Our show is recorded at the energy innovation center and Pittsburgh Pa. Thank you for listening and you can hear a new episode every Monday right here on RADIOCOM.

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