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Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

Episode · 2 years ago

Joe Theismann

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Super Bowl champion and legendary quarterback, Joe Theismann joins the huddle. We talk; his motivation to start playing football, how he changed the pronunciation of his last name, and the time he met the E-Sports phenomenon, Ninja. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome to our podcast Hoddlo up withGus, where we talk to guests about ow sports help shape their life. I'm yourhoust FORMERANFL, quarterback Gusfran and I'm joined by my longtime friendand cost Dave Hanger. We are a rariocom original podcast and you can find us onthe new RADIOCOM, AP or anywhere. You listen to your favorite podcast. Now,let's get in the huddle, Hey Dave, how you doing good Guss? How about yourself,man doing wonderful! I can'tnot wait to hear some stories from our guests today.Just you know, we played the same position. We played for the same teamwe've. You know. I've watched this guy when I was growing up just an atremendous NFL player had one of the worst injuries anybody's ever had on aNFL field, and you know just had an incrediblecollege career as well. I played for one of the great programs in theHistory College Football Neterdame. The story of his hisman campaign is reallyinteresting to they actually changed his name in order to better fit thecampaign. Yeah- and you know I can't wait to hear from Joe Tisman about ifhis favorite n FL stadium is the same as mine, RFK Joe. I don't know aboutyou, but RFK still my favorite stadium. I agree. You know D, it's great to joinyou guys to thanks for having the my I just you know it. I've traveled to all the differentstadiums. You know, Guss you've been and seen them to, and there was justsomething special about rtk into a degree. The Raider fans had that inOakland Alabeda because they were both baseball stadiums, really theconfiguration was but the proximity of the fans and because, with footballstadiums the walls tend to get higher and Guss you're very familiar with howhi the wall Oeh O, get that in Tus, thow Iti didn't just throw it outthere. I seway into it. I like you when I talked about when I talked about theheight of Walt, but it was you know it's like the enzone seeting in Oakland,the enzone Cdan art case you're right there. The fans are right, therethey're right on top of you and it was a really special place to play and Ibelieve, they're going to tear down the stadium Ye h yeah. I know that was sadwhen I heard that when I heard that yeah me too, I told him what theyshould do start selling the seats Rightno. I love to have a couple of those. Well, you know what I you know. WhatI'm going to suggest to him is: Why do we figure out a charity and then whatwe'll do is basically, as you take the stadium apart, there are things thatpeople there are still some of us that have, you know, remember it and havegreat memories of it. They would love to have the back of a seat or a seat orsomething like that and then whet we wind up doing is like doing autographsession. You sign them or you auction them off to charity, and then you takethe money that you raise and you go out and do something good with it andMhin's just just one, just one land good thing for the old girl right, yeah,Kay you're, always thinking Joe. That's for sure. That's for sure I like thatidea like yeah but know we appreciate youcom it on a Bein in the hodle wind and we really want to start back to whenyou were a kid and your first experience and what was the first thingin your life that gave you that love of Sports, oh Jeez. I grew up from my earliest days that I canremember. I grew up two blocks from my highschool two blocks from my grammar school literally. If I walk out myfront door and these weren't big blocks, we're not talking city blocks, I'mtalking, maybe eight nine houses, so it in about twenty houses up the road wasthe entrance to to Campbell school and and where you know this, I played inthe high school was located right behind it. So in Grammar School we hadthe tennis courts, we had the baseball diamonds, the football fields,everything that was available to us, and you know when I was a kid I justpicked up. I just started picking up a ball. I got involved in in LittleLeague Baseball and then I got involved in pop wontor football. My mom would letme play for two years. She wouldn't let me play pop wornor football till I wastwelve when a buddy of mine and Tommy, who ultimately went on to be an FBIgent for for thirty years. He he came to the house in a fulluniform. So my mother could see how protected I was and then she n and then she gave theokay for me to play football and and that that sort of launched the career.But I always yw six, seven years old, I was always throwing a ball around mycousin billy lived right next door, so we were always. We had a little yard inbetween us and it was it that yard. Where we, youknow, we had the family gatherings and we would play softball and mean theyard was gosh. I was a posted stamp...

...when, when I drive I've driven back tomy hometown on a couple of e occasions- and I look at the yard- it's actuallystill in between the two houses and I think when you're a little kid, itlooks like a football field that was the best bigssoit was the best placeyou could ever imagine being yeah. I mean you know we you had thediamond set up for baseball, you had the football set up there and then youknow you play stick ball. We would play yntake a rubber ball and bounce it offthe curve, and that's do that for hours and kids wouldn't do that anymore,right yokw. Now they could do it now they could do with a video game. Whywould they waste the time to go out and do it physically and that's one of thethings I do feel for the younger people of today? A little bit is the theoutside experience, the social experiences that we had and, to adegree the innocence that existed to it. When we were kids growing up, it'stough being a kid today, it's stopf being a young adult and- and so I understand- and I feelfor hem well joke. We credit your friend Tommy,for if he doesn't show up your door that day in full paths, you may neverput football mom Yeama may have never. Let me play truthfully. We you know,Weve tried for two years I mean I was ellegabl to play pop one at at theageof ten nope, not goin. No, let you do it age, eleven nop not going to! Letyou do it age, twelve nope, not to let you do it!Sai Tommy! You got to help me. Tommy comes over and Pluy you in for Mamwan,okay, you look like you're going to be protective and Hini. I always tell mymom I used when my mom was with us in this world and she's gone on to abigger and better place now, but it was funny she said when I was twelve.She I remember this birly. She said, I'm so afraid you're going to get hurt and when I broke my leg, my leg wasbroken in eighty five, I calle my mom and I said, as matter of fact, when Iwas laying on the field and Buba tire our TROBA came out. OIER came out olaying on the field. I turned the first thing. I said the first thing I said Iturned above and I said Buba, please call mom and tell her I'm okay yeah.That was the first thing I said, and then then I saw my mother and, I said,see mom your wish. Finally came true. I did get her, so you know it went full.It went full cycle forus. As far as MOM and son go right. I can imagine that,but could runup until that point yeah. I think it as yeah. There were a fewlittle nicks along the way, but other that was the big one that that was athat was a major one. I would have to say so joe one of the things we love toask every guest from when they were a kid and Dave. You think we're aboutninety percent right now. Yes, is that. Did you play wiffaball as a kid? Oh Eck, yes, Ye absolute, you know youhad to end and I mean it was. There were, of course there were differentsize with footballs to remember them. There you had to you had bigger oneswhere you really started to hit it, and then you got the smaller ones where youcould throw curves and and sinkers and everything else with in so oh yeah, Iplayed we used to play. Stick ball off of thewall at at the school and whippleball was was part of it and you know theneat thing was is we would we would take chalk and we would walk off thebases and we would draw bases with chalk on the asphalt and and all thatkind of stuff? Absolutely I playe! Well, you know what is funny is that we didall that to David. I love talking about that because the kids today you neversee somebody in the field. You never see him out there when they don't haveto be doing those kind of things. Ore Experimentng. We were talking about howwe would get a bat and you know, take a phone piece of phone. My Dad used tobring back from PPG the and we just play sickball like you, you just madesports up and kids just yeah. I think they're so right there missing thattoday they are to a degree, and you knowsociety has changed so much and obviously social medias made a world ofdifference in all of the Games. I meank look at look at the the competitionthey have when it comes to the Games. You know your gamers Itimean Ninja Yeah. I had the chance to meet Ninja. Who is you know,fortnight's ultimate Gamer? I had a chance to chance to meet the young manout of the spes a couple years ago: terrific young man, man. He generatesDarner a million dollars. A monk and endorsement I mean nevybody's hitting SOWHO- cares if somebody's makingtwelve million a year playing football you're not getting hit you're notgetting beat up. You become a big time. Gamer. I mean people pay to watchpeople pay to watch him play fortnight, yeah they log one, and I mean I wasn'taware of all this. It was really funny. We got our picture taken together and Itweeted it out, and I got like three...

...hundred responses. Ah Man, you mentMinja, waim thinking, okay, yeah. I guess I entered a no a new realm oflife here, but right yeah, it's different for kids. Today. I thinkthey have there's a lot of different pressures that they go through and you know you see whipple Bu. Youknow you know where they do it. You know whet you see, kids is at the beachyeah. You know in the summertime or you'reout in California or down in Florida. You know some place where there's abeach you'll see yyou'll, see frisbees you'll, see whiffleball. You seefootball games, that's sort of the one place where you see that that quoteunquote. Extracurricular type of activity now they arethe whizzleballkit, though, with the ball attached to the that that you see it like drugstores and stuff like that, it is parder to find it is it's so God yeah.You have to have the kids in a place where there's nothing else like sothere's, no wifie right, no II, so they go play yeah et, they can have their phones, they justcan't have Wiefli exactly, and you know and you're talking about e sports, butthere's two hundred colleges going to be by the end of this year that givefull scholarships for playing esports, which is amazing. You know that youknow. Theyre Doit is incredible. I mean theyeah, I mean the curriculum that's available to to kids today, both o highschool, a and collegiat level. You know it's a funny thing, though, because Iknow part of what you guys deal with is the social aspect of life to and andI'm all for having a degree in technology. But I ask people this whenit comes to vocations who's going to when you have a problem in your housewith your plumbing. What are you going to do right? Are yougoing to look it up on line and figure out how to fix it or you going to callHa plimmer yeah when you're building houses andyou have to wire the houses electrically your going to just do itthrough a manual or pull it off the computer? Or are you going to callelectrician to me? I would love to see thegovernment get more involved and schools and universities and highschools create more vocational schools because not everybody's cut out in it Imean Youre, just not not every, not everybody's, a Gamer, not everybody'sinvolved, in that. I think you need to be able to give young people anopportunity to choose a vocation, and now that requires work. I realize thatis a nasty word and you have to put the hours in but mean you put the you putthe hours Inin a classroom to learn things. You can do the same thing whenit comes to location and truthfully you'll make as much money if not morecoming out of the blocks than you would in other aspects of o working society.Today, right Youwoud love the building that we're in Joe it's called theEnergy Innovation Center. There's a hundred D. Ninety companies whoparticipate in this and what this place will do trethey're part of thirtydifferent high schools around here and kids. They bring kids in and thecompany Tese, kids curriculum and in six to nine weeks they can go out andget a full time job, because Iver Kis going to go to college so Dave- and Iare really proud- tof- be part of the energy inovation Tet are here whatthey're doing? That's wonderful, that's terrific, butyou know, like you said we want to teach class on. You know it anddifferent things. These kids, you know, I think that you don't necessarily haveto go to school for a long time to learn how to do certain things. Youknow and if you can learn in six to nine weeks, more power to you and youdon't come out, but some people have some peoce. Some. Some young peoplehave the aptitude to be able to do that. Others, it takes long longer I mean Iwasn't. I went to school with with guys in Gals who they didn't study a lot andIII needed. To I mean I couldn't when I was in college. I couldt do some of thethings my friends were doing. They were going out and I was I was I ihad to goto study all nice to maintain a certain GPA or also I was oe Goingno- be ableto play ball right. We arei bout playing whisfeball in the fackyard.That's why yeah right yeah, that's exactly right! That's what we weredoing so. Did you go? What was the name ofYour High School in New Jersey, south South River High School in South Erver?New Jersey? Were the South River Rans Dou? Were you AH three sport athlete Iwas. I played basketball, baseball and football. As matter of fact, my widereceiver in high school is a guy that you're familiar with by the name of DruPiers. Yes, Wao Yap drew after and I graduated drewbecame the quarterback and then, when he graduated high school he went toTulsa as a quarterback and they moved him to a wide receiver yeah. You knowhe should be in the hall of Pane. He should be he's one of the great cowboysall time. He is so a that to two...

...redskins one of the greatestBelericalin Minnesota all time as well, one ofe. What GRAC SCHOL hurricanesBalloh. You can't forret about that 'so 's, eizoa Dave with Arizona. So wehave to hear about Arizona. Ao can't really talk football, but we're decenttoopsbu enougho South River. When did you first get like start gettingrecruited, or did you always know howto go to noter dam? No, no! It's matter of fact. Ioriginally signed in North Carolina State University. I what I did was. I was recruited. Youknow I you have to understand. I was five feet. Ten in a hundred and fiftytwo pounds when I graduate from high school now keep in mind, I played fifteenyears of professional football, three in the Canadian Lake, twelve in the NFLand never weighed more than a hundred an eighty five pounds. WELL SO I've!Never I've never was you know. You'Reyou you're always been a biggerguy guy. So you n. But for me it was. You know I was a little guy, and so Iwas recruited by a number of schools. The Ivy League schools wanted me to goto to the other schools before I could gothere and- and I just didn't want to do that. So I chose five schools and Ilove the Staye to North Carolina even to this day, my youngest son tables andin Greensperol. But I looked at wake Forest University ofNorth Carolin, a North Carolina State Penn state notor Dame, but those werethe five trips that I made and my high school coach was a guy of namedMiran, wo Jiki and Ron backed up Roman Gabriel at North Carolina State. I'thought: Hey, that's a good reason to go to schoolland right exactly so. Youknow I bat, Earl Edwards was the coach and I signed to go to North CarolinaState University, and then I hadn't made the trip to noter dame yet, but Ifigured you know they came to me and said: Look We'd love to have you comeout. I so I've already committed to North Carolina state. They said we'rean independent school. It's not going to affect youreligibility in any way. If you do decide to come here, you won't loseback. Then you'd lose a year of eligibility to transferred schools, andit didn't happen like it does today, where guys, just they committed the ageof ten and then at the age of twelve. They commit again at the GE fifteen acommitte again I mean it's just amazing. The way it is in the Announcen, soaalongeahwe did oh yeah. You have to you have to you, have to have aninstagram need to you need to post it oninstagram so that everybody knows you're changing your mind again greght.So what I did was that I made a trip out to noto name rocky Blyer, an AnnHarshman were my host Coserakis, the great steeler and even greaterhumanitarians yea. As far as Weve Award Ye, he was our second guest ever on ourshow. Yeah rocks the best ses, actualy reallymy, first intoce policy to Ohreally for Yeah Butfal of New York. You Stil be my first policy, so I wound upgoing out to notodame and I got off the plane in Newark, New Jersey and my dadsays be. What do you think? I said I have to go to notedame and he said why, and I said Dad. I can't give you aspecific reason other than the fact that it feels right- and I contend this- that and for peoplewatching and listening and if you trust your gut you're, probablygoing to be right a lot more times than you're wrong. When you allow your headto start thinking about the scenarios of where you are and what you do right,and so it was really. It was a gut call for me and that's sort of the way I'veoperated to a large degree in my life. If it feels right, then I'm goingtolook at it really hard and if it feels wrong and will walk away from it, nomatter what the deal is, and that's that's been someone something that I'vereally adhered to most of my life yeah. No, that's that's a great thingto use as your gut, because it's going to lead you in the rightdirection. Most of the time like you said, and you just know when you walkinto a place or you walk into a situation- and it's like this is not me.This is not who I am I got to get out of here. Well, you can you know youwalk in Abryouino restaurant, it's what I try to do with my restaurant N,Washington, as I want people to walk in and feel like it's it's a comfortableplace to be that's one of the things we all strive for in this business is theexperience of being some place comfortable some place. You know youwant to have great food. You want a great service, you need good pricing,but you need to create an environment and an atmosphere where people feellike they want to spend time. What type of food are you servint, great great food. I likes that soundsgoodos good soit'sactually, it's American Quisin, it's an Alexandrio,Virginia we've been there thirty. Two years now I started in the restaurantbusines. I One thousand nine hundred and seventy five and then I had six at one time. While Iwas playing ball, which is a little bit of...

...side o your plate, yeah yeah a lot ofwork lot and they rolling. They were all they weren't, real close to where Ilive, so the furthest. One was an hour and twenty minutes away. The closestwas forty five minutes, so I'd spend three nights a week there and it wasjust a. It was a challenge. I mean I never closed one. I never was never wasthere till midnight, but you walk around and shake hands with people anit's hard when you're losing too yeah Wen, and I've told that jrayger Jstrader go ntthe restaurant. This ness, I tol Ti Kelly. This Jimmy got in therestaurant business, something ofli SAS. You don't want to do that he's! Well,I'm just you know they just want me to they just want to use my name. I saidYeah but they're going to ask you to show up three days a week, whatever itmight be, and if you're not winning you're, not going to feel like goingout and shaking hands with people and explaining to him. Why what's going onright, but I did it for I did it for a numberof years, and now I just have my name on one and we're about to read we'rejust going through a remodel and we're going to have sort of an opening party,the eighteen of September and Alexandria, Seuer, sort of a new phaseof our restaurant business. Well, let's hope the Ridkins win yeah. You Know Ke wiz it would it always helps that it's ourtime. Our Fan Vase is just tired. You know, I think they, the expectationsyou get built up. Our desense is going to be really good. We've got. We havehalf of the Alabama defense starting for us now offensively. You know cases new to it.Dwain we drafted number one. Our number one kick out of Ohi Date: U, Terrymcclawlan, mcclaran WHO's! A heck of the wide receiver is a good one and anonte sweat is another good young man and you know, we've got the last threeyears. We have twenty eight of our twenty nine draft choices, aroun theroster, it's a young football team, but you know Gussi and you were part of thesecession there at in Washington. I believe, since one thousand ninehundred and eighty five there have been thirty six ORTHIRTY, seven different startingquarterbacks in Washington. In thirty four years I mean last year we had fourit's on the sor four weeks: yeah, it's it is browns or they just haven't beenaround as long since they came back in the league, but it's about average,like one point two a year or something well, I just got email ithink samething with adulphins right, yes, Merino last there's been, I thia, look a lookat Denver, yeah other than Payton, I mean other than Paytan John's, beenlooking out there for somebody to come in and be the guy. Now you know you'regoing to have to look again because you know Joe flackwas, don't Spring Chickeneiter right right. Wellthe Jok, you know, brings it bhings up aninteresting point guys and I don't know how you feel about it. But there's two things: Number one: coachesare under the gun to wing, so you you need ownership that allows you todevelop the position of quarterback. Secondly, colleges aren't reallyteaching guys how to play the position we invested. You know they I mean. Ididn't start till one thousand nine hundred and seventy eight. I got in theLeague in seventy four Iman. I said Tree. I learned how to play theposition. I learned how to be a profession. I learned how to study. Ilearned how to take care of my bike because we didn't take care of ourbodies like they do now. That's, but if you learn all those different thingsabout professional football that you think you know, but you really don'tuntil you get into it now you throw the kids out there and if you don't have anoffensive line, you know you get a guy like Joey Herrin, an who gets peat tohack or or even Andrew Luck, who's been. You know even though he's played abotsix seven years got got, beat up all the time. Well, you know you, you know with the way it is now that Ithink the NFL went more towards college than more of college going towards theNFL. You just don't see the run games. You don't see the way you light up aneye formation. You don't see the big powerbacks anymore and you know a lotof thats t all shot gun and five wides. And U now coordinators are good they're,going to figure out how they hit yeah and hit you off to yeah. They got. Butyou know what there's one thing I can tend now, I'm I'm progressive and Ilike to look ahead. I like to spend things Ahad. I understand you know thethings that are happening in the evolutions of games and society.Everything else guess I promise you. If we lined up in a goal line formation,put a full back back there, maybe hes', maybe maybe you don't carry a fullback.Maybe it's an offensive LINEAN. Maybe it's a desenseive blindeah or TI ALRIGIG in whatever you want. You put that bind the running back, you give me yougive me two tight ends. Three tight ends n an you line up, and then youhave you have a you know. You maybe have a boot to the off side of wherethe wing is maybe run play action to the to the tight endside where the wingis or you hand the Ballup. I promise...

...you you're going to convert more thirdones doing that, then you are with some of the formations that these coachescome up with. Tiding yeah, Jie, Cama producer and iw were just at lunch, andwe were talking about that the steelers they were down twenty, nothing. Thirdand one this in the debacle in New England and they're in a shotgun withno backfield I mean like yeah, I said if they just do a playachinto, thetight end. It's going to work a lot, eighty percent of a time, but no I Livs,I liste, I listen to Crista. I listened to Chris Colinswore, make the samecomment. He said look at how the game has changed its third one and there inShotgu yeah. It's unbelievable. I mean well, I mean O to it's. You know it'slike the chances of, first of all, the chances of getting a holding penalty orgood right. Secondly, some guys Swattin the ball and he an knocking the ball inthe air, knocking it down for good the receiver, not being open the all thosebad things can happen. You line up in a power formation. You limit the bad things and I to me I',maybe call me stupid, but I've always thought about how do you eliminate thebad things that can happen in the game and just have the positive thingshappen? I mean we we want to super bowl becauseof it I mean Wa Yeah John Broke Dohn, Brokis, a fourth, an one for us and made the difference in the game.Yeah Right, one of the classic plays an and it's all history, yeah, no doubt athere's, a here's, another one for you. How about the Seattle Seahawks in theNew England? Patriot Super Pooh man. I don't I mean that's, I don't know howyou make that call and and then Atlanta's the same way. All you know ifAtlanta Falcons knelt down three three downs, that's it. It said on Yeah Mat:Ria we a totally different person. You know absolutely I mean people.Would you know you're? If you want a world championship, it's a smallfaternity. I think there's only thirty five of us. Thirty four of us that haveone world championships eaand. You K when you think when you think we're BOT.Fifty three super bowls, and this is what we're looking at I mean just justin the thirties. You still have guys, of course, Tom has sort of dominated itover time. Here. Imagine that you play half your c half your career. You'veplayed in Super Bowls Yeah! THAT'S INSANE! No! No! I played fifteenyears me. I don't even get to get to one. You know whether it or not it's amaze. It's amazing, Hey, Jo,going back to noter dame a tell us what it's like Yo, I mean you're in theglory years of noter dam. What's that experience like you, a you you're withe one of the greatest cooaches ever you ve, Riar Iers, a teammate yeah I mean it.Was it was a really a great time, probably to be a on a fighting Irishtellus about that? Well, you know when I one thousand ninehundred and sixty seven when I went to notedame. Like I said I committed thenoter game. Freshman were ineligible to play Vartu City Ball. So we were. We Got Tho scrimmage with them,but we never. We got to get beat up by Hem, but we never got to play. So wehad a. We had a we had a home in home series against Michigan State of whichand then Pittsburgh we had three games. We played the Pittsburgh game. TheMichigan State stuff got snowed out, so we never had a chance place. Whehad oneone game is a freshman and, like I said, I'm a skinny little kid. I'm one atthird notedame had signed thirteen quarterbacks in one thousand ninehundred and sixty seven class. That's on ear. I was one of I was oneof thirteen quarterbacks, but what they did is back in the late s. They didn'trecruit to specific positions like they do today. So some of those quarterbacksbecame defensive bacts one became a tight end, two became linebackers, thenthree became wide receivers. One became a running back. Couple became DBS, so you know you go after that athleteand then you make that athlete into something else. I was too skinny forthem to do anything, but allow me to play quarterback and by the way, yfirst seven games of my sophomore year. I return punce my first two years inthe NFL I returnd puncs, but you know going there going to the university onotoday, especially it was all guys and we had a curfew. So it was, you know like a militaryschool to a degree. I guess- and I wasn't a good student, so I you know Ispent one in on two dates. My first two years same girl, names, margie Brodrick,still remember Margie again, wound: U becomeing the president of a bank inChicago somewhere and had children got married and all that, but I just I had to. I played football. Istudied and that's where that was my life. The first two years of my collegeexperience and then I shot pool also that was my other thing: a we had a pool hall Caugt, U Thean aplace called the huddle where I used to...

...go and spend in afternoon. All myglances were finished at one o'clock, bost semesters. I just liked it thatway. I'm an early riser anyway, always have been so my classes were done andthen- and then you know I' had the afternoonfor either football practice or if it was off season, go shoot somepool and then go to study hall and and try and keep my grades up. I wasn't Iwasn't a good student when I went in, but I graduated, I think, with thethree o when I left. So I worked hard at trying to be a good student, andthis is the thing that this is the thing that when I think back on mycareer, we see young guys coming out today and guys you play with them thatsenior year at college that Fourth Year of college you grow physiologically.You grow psychologically, you grow physically, you grown mentally. That's such a critical period for youngmen and young women, and we see in particular, young guys coming out aftertheir. You know the rich shirt juniors and they come out early and they're,really not ready for our game. You see it in basketball, more than anythingthat some of the tragedies and basketball and young guys justtoppbeing able to deal with the road- and you know, you're, coming into aman's world, t' speaking specifically of the football world and you're coming into an adult worldwhere all of a sudden, you were you're a kid billy. What you are is Youre kid:You have you a Tink, you think you figured it out, but you have it. I'vealways said that. There's no way like go right from high school, a to play inthe ffl there's just in pot like basketball, like there's a few yeah,but like even a you name, a Shacq or Lebron James or anybody they couldnever come out like professional football. They would just getannihilated. I remember there was talk about Lavar Arinjin. If there couldhave been someone, it maybe was him, but it was not a real. No, I don'tthink S. anybody ever plays the game. Now I agree with you. It's notrealistic. Joe. Do you remember the first snap he took his quarterback forthe Irish Jeez. was that like you're not but somoreyear, then, or when did you? When did you I my Sopmore Yearel? Actually itwas, it was the Sevenh was against. I think it start my sophomore year,because what had happened, we were getting ready to play Pittsburgh in theseventh game. I was. I was returning punce my sophomore year with Bob Blaget.We were the pun, returners and then Terry Hann, ready who was a highspantrophy candidate. You know rocky was in the back theold and Terry was the court of a d mor an stery handwrit won the coversports own stat as a dynamic, Doo right, and then I think it was a Fridayafternoon, Terry, we were running short yardage in gold line and Terry got hisknee rolled up on and Erah had colio'Brian, who had quarterbackDoterdan on thousand nine hundred a sixty six to a national championship,and then he had a guy wit name of Bob Bilden, who were two seniors and me sothe and Terry Weed Te Four quarterbacks Tarry was the starter he got hurt Erahhad coldly to go to if he wanted to, but he put me in- and I asked him many years later whyand he said I just felt like you were ready to play and I thought wow. Youknow I just you know. All of a sudden. You go fromput returner, which basically happened that in professional football. For meto it's, you step in the huddle and here's a team that I won a nationalchampionship two years ago and you've got all these all Americans and now you know it's put up or shutup timeright, and you know we. Fortunately, the first twogames only played the first half because we had like forty plus pointleads, and then we played the University of Southern California outon the coast and we played them to A. I believe it was a o Thsn y Undre andtwenty one time the plate. We tied him twice one seventeen seventeen, I thinkat our place and in two thusnd und D, twenty one that year and that was OJSimpson- that s he was a senior right. It's the lowest total in college thathe was held to Russian indn UN ninee Sixten, sixty seven yeah we were, itwas unbelievable. I mean so many guys if you look at take that nationalchampionship game between Michigan State and noter Dame, I think, there'ssomewhere in the neighborhood of twenty plus guys went on to professionalfootball bostose teams. It's like a IO RAC, Ro game. It was, I mean it was itwas. It was, you know, was unbelievable, but I don't you know it was. I doremember the game and I don't remember the first snap, but you know the otherthing that happened to me in college is my name. Was Changed Yaa lot of people there ow the story.You know I can tell it if you want n yeah, I had a really good junior year, and soI only played three games by soctware. Yoar had a really good junior year andRoger Batisary was our sports...

...information director, so Roger calledme in the office. He says Joe Hod Yo pronounced your last tame. I said it'spease me. He Says No, it's not. It's actually Thistan. I said no Rog, it'seasy. He said no Joe Extisman as it give me the phone. So I call my dadback home in New Jersey and anytime. I ever talk to my. I call my daddy Oa sayFar Away Joe Ikit, My Dad O. U A pop got this question for sis far away DOE.I Sai Dad tell me how do you pronounce our last Ame and there's like this deadsilence on the phone and then my dad comes one said son Ar you all right. Imean you're a senior at college. You don't know how to pronounce your lastchange. What's going on, I said no, I'm okay, DAD JUST I'LL! Explain it later.Jos. Tell me: How do you pronounce our last Ame Yo said these hung up the FUNNsurrasle. My Lan name is these, but I know I just got Fon my dad. He says JoeThere's a trophy ocher called the HIGHSPAN trope thos best cou footballplayin e country. We think you have a chance to win that trobe, but we're notjust going to count on the Reputationof, the University of noding nor yourathletic skills, but we think, but just simply changing the pronunciation ofyour last name from Peasman to this and to rhymwith tismand. We can get youthat Tunfy, that's how I became Joe Fized Andt and Y Tuck after AP. Well, it did I mean it's didabotfifty plus years Heybuti also call my grandmother was the matriarch of ourfamily, and I call my grandmother because I sort of wanted familyapproval right and I explained to her. I said they want to change thepronunciation of Olen Tam. She afe like Tay, you want, she said: Do you knowthat the corect ploentiationis actually Tispen, and that seems to be closerthan what we have now so to fine? So seshe gave me her blessing, and todayhere I am Jo red the rest of this history, the rest of the sincer. Well,the the hisman voters may not have agreed, but I think it sounds a lotbetter than plunket yeah exactly exacty. So did you you went toyou know what's really funny about that year, though guys seriously, you knowthe tee. Everybody talks about the eighty three class of quarterbacks yeah,known Berino and all those the this is the seventy one class Dantasterini atof Santa Clara, Denis Dummitdaty. U Cla, Chuck Hikson Aut of SM. U Rex Kurnoutof Ohio State Archie Manning Out of Mississippi Jim Pluck it out ofStanford Joe this Banata Note Day. It's a pretty good group because that Yh, itwas a they did. A Bunch of Sport magazine Dad a shot of us, and so theActualy eventy one class has bore, brings in the three Classso Yeah Y,those kids. I agree with that. Yeah. Definitely there's o bout it so joewhen you were at Nota Dame did you have a favorite like did you have a favoritequarterback in that was playing in the NFL that you looked up to er, alwaysadmired ow, Jo namoth was always my hero. I GREW UP IN JERSEY. You know, Joe withthe jets I mean Joe Joe Nameth Johnny Anidis, an BartStar. When I was a kid growing up. I I cut off. I cut out pictures of sportmagazines that they were don the covers, and I had them nailed to the wall. Inmy room, my dad built a little room when I got older for me up o the Attic and he always had toduck down, but it was an old freight name, a frame house in it, and I saw tnail it on the wall. Those were my three heroes and had a chance, manyyears later, to be a part of a quarterback club and be around them andow new part. And of course you know, Johnny had a chance to see am and JoeJoe and I to this day still, you know talk, and he just was my hero. Well,there's a lot of pride here in Pittsburgh still about the western PAquarterbacks and you know you're mentioning Unitas Nameth. I mean TerryHanratde's from Butler, which is just up the street an we got guid here Imean it's yeah e pool. Well, you're Sooyou knoweverybody thinks up from everybody thinks I'm from Pennsylvania than you.I mean just because ther' so many Qarter Jos Pontana's at AF, Monangahilayeah. I mean there's so many guys that Jos out of bever falls obviously yeahail. I had coaches at AF fever, fals yeah I had when Joe Coach, the steelershe coached the jets matter of fact. The year we went to the Super Bowl, theJEFTS lost of the Miami Dolphins in the AFC championship came Rigt Don R.I don't want the plane against my coach right exactly yeah, I mean just the guys and youalways get ask when you're from here and you play quarterback like what's inthe water and in Pittsburgh. I said a lot of mine run off up here, so thatcould have something to do with hey. We well see we had a lot of syringes in isGergey. I gonowehad all those, but I river always say the real thing is thatmost of our dads were tough mill, guys right that that ther were full timeworkers and I always tell story about when I was in eighth grade and I brokemy foot and I went home as a dad. My is afterthe first practice of my foots killing me. He said. Well, you got one choice.I said get what's that that he said...

...well, I just bought you, those cleatswe're not taking them back, as I can't so you're going to have to tie yourshoet tider and play the rest of the season and that's what I dit. You knowit's just yeah the mentality and you just never thought anything else of it:e Jim Kelly, Tan, the way a Wat Jim Kelly, that's right, Jim tell he'sanother one: Jim Kelle's, just up the stream from a Gossan in East Brady Yeah.He grew up right up the road from me. So a lot of great marmetor backs here,and so, when you're going through, you knowand you're going through the heimen and all that what was the whole draft and all we'vetalked to rocky about how he found out. What was that draft setting like foryou? It was terrible, you know, because the EXPECTA I meanrunner up to the IGES, an trophe. Were you no we're nationally rank team, andI mean we had a heck of a season. I think we were my senior year. We were thirteen and one, I think, maybesomething like that- twelve, I guess maybe ten and one some somewhere aroundthere right and so there was there. Was thisexpectation that I get drafted pus the other thing to- and this is I don'thappen to you cus, but I had all these tungs contact in me. Saying Hey. Youknow if you're around in the second round we're going to take it. TheDallas Cowboys The Philadelphia Hegles y'Ahi wanted to sort of play close tohome, so the giants were at a team and and so I'm sitting in Ruidrevow thesaries office, the day of the draft and first round goes by and Jim goes andArchie Gos. I'm thinking wow, you know pretty cool and then nothing. Thesecond round goes by and nothing third round goes by and I finally wentto Rod. Rasses, I'm not going to sit around here, wait forall his crap, I'mgoing to play basketball. Somebody drafts me com, ING, get me and I wentdown ND. I started playing basketball and then about an hour later Roger camedown and he said Joe even drafted by the Miami Dolphins, who already had Bob Greesy right. Iwent okay, fine, you know, but I get drifted. My this you'll love this. Inever wound up being a Miami Dolphin. I wound up going to Canada, so I getdrafted by the dolphins, coach, Ula, love, noter, name, guys, yeah, so coach,Coch Shula thinks I'm going to be a Miami dout. He goes off to Leagumeetings. I go down to negotiate my contract. I get on Miami TV and, I said:Come Heller High Water I'll, be a Miami Dolphin Yeah WHOOPPI. So I sit down andmail me my contract, El. First of all, I walk in Mr Robbie, who write Inegotiated my contract with who was the owner say? What do you want? You'd lovethese numbers. I said I want thirty, five, forty five and fifty five ousanddollars, Amon thirty, five Housan dollar. Second Bonk an ingine thet wereKilledu yeah right. They said those numbers are sort of reserve for secondrounders st up. Not that's what I want. Yeahshould HAV A notpeting car to yeah yeah. Why not? You Know Era Teato thebathroomright EETDEL, so I wind up going back homeand what they did was. Is I broken the bonus down into three three over thethree years for tax purposes to Twel, twel and eleven, and they had me payingback my bonus. If I didn't show the third year, I'd have to pay back tobonus, and I said this isn't right. The bonus is unconditional to me showing up.You got to remember two back in on thousand Ninehundren and seventy one.We were still involved into Theetnam war. So I I I didn't know whether I'dbe called in the military service who wat. So it was h. It was winding down,but there was still a you know it as still the time in society when itexisted, and so I got into a hassle with them and theToronto Orgon out had drafted, and I flew to Canada and Gentlmy name. IfJohn Dacit own the team and I went to another gentleman's house, herb Sauaywas his attorney. They may be an offer, was fift fifte. Fifty fifty US dollarsyeah with the money it was it was it was high, but it wasn't like crazy nigeand then they said to me. If you leave the country tonight, you don't signthis contract, it's off the table and I gone back and forth with the dolphinsand and they find the dolphins finally said. Okay, you keep the bonus, but Iget so disillusioned with the process that I wind up signing with theARGONIZES, so shule doesn't even know this is going on. Oh yeah, he hops onet.So I sign with the ARGONAUTS I get back to south. Then my phone rings at six amit's era. He says what in Heaven's name have you done as I signd with theToronto Argon? He says I know she was on a plane up here right now from Miamito see Don, flew up and read me the riot act.You had a moral obligation to be in Miami dougher said. Well, you have amoral obligation not to screw around my contract. That's when I learnd thevalue of a good agent right. You get. If you try and do thingsyourself. You get emotionally involved, which really contrary to that I did. Mylast contract with Jack can cook, but...

...he was going to give me whatever hewanted to give me in one thousand nine hundrd and eighty four and it didn'tmatter whether I had an agent or not so mevric John Riggans, I think, were theonly two basically did our deals with Mster Cook, and so I wound up going to the ARGONOT and inon Thousa ninehndred and seventy four George Allen traded a number one pickto the Miami Dolphins for my rights and I became a Richkin and San Lona inWashington. What were things like is in the CFL. Iknow the fields a little bit different, there's probably other Oh yeah, I'm notsigker, but much more wide open. Much bigger, I mean I ifunny guys. I canremember as many guys from my argonot days as I can almost of my redskin days.Just the players we had it. There I played with Jim stoe wagon, who was anoutlan trophy winter at Ohio state I play with Grahmville Liggins, who was aautlen trophy winner, a at Oklahoma. I played with Dave Rainey,who was drabted by the Green Bay. Packers was a defensive bactmarveluster was in all American safety out of Ucla Mel Provi was an allAmerican tight end. Eric Flee Allen was an all American at a Michigan State. Xray Leon mcuay was a running back at aTampa, ran like four two five Noah Jackson was a guard for me, went toChicago Ron, micorogic was a tackle. He went to the giants, but was really great. Is One of my senner was a Guy Tin, thename of Paul De Jardan? He was a PhD and Biochemistry Wel. He sounds myother Washin e Er y noter dame I so stat by Himall. The time lltheotherwide receiver to Eric Allen was the guy by the name of Mike Eban Mike was a PhD in Germaniclanguages it'. So we had a blend of guys whocouldn't spell cat from guys who could disect a cat, an rititwas it was it was it was. It was an Umbl,but we went to the gratcup, which is the and it's interesting. The Great Cupin Canada is different than the Super Bowl in the United States. The SuperBowl, the United States basically is a corporate event and you getrepresentatives of the city and the teams that are there, but it'sbasically a corporate event in Canada. It divides the country, yet the eastversus the West, but western conference versus the eastern Conferenton. So wewere Toronto, we were in the east and we played Calgary in the West and itwas. It was just a you know: the fans chose side and they don't care.If it' Sa it's mine, twenty of they're, going to play it. Oh heck, no et. No, Imean I'v played in some of the coldest temperatures that I've ever played inmy life up there. What do you TN feel Yo Loer than bigenoug yeah? What do you think? The skill where you learnd from playing inCanada compared to American football ithe thing that the thing that Ilearned is I learned yo learn how to manage a game. You learn how to manageyour body. You learn how to study. You learn at the speed of the game. We onlyhad three downs up there. Yeah, you know you learn to throw a little bitmore. The field is wider, the field is longer, it's basically a socer field, just having a chance to play. That'ssort of why, when I went to Canada, I said: Don't you regret not going to thedogs we yeah? They only went to three super bowls. I three years I wasn'tthere matter of fact: Moralwo quarterback most of the undefeatedseason in seventy two right, I would have been hat quarterback, because whenI left in seventy one Dan donwentand got earl, Andand got him and he beganthe Quiti. You know people don't realize Ne Housand nine hundred andseventy two Miami dolfs and undefeated football team was quarterbackpredominantly by earl, moral right and a Bobri Yeah Bob came in at the end, Yeah Yeah Yep, and so it was it taught me. It taught me thegame. Tauh me how to tell me a lot about. I don't think you can read a book ontennis a go, try and be graphy on the top. Okay. I think I think you have togo through the experience of, and that was the best way to learn. I think yea.You felt that way too. Didn't you Guss when you got in the game, no and asbeen every day's a learning process. Well, you know, for me Joe it was. Itwas the chance that I had because heath didn't show up for training camp, and Igot to take all those reps that was Qike big for me, because I never hadthose reps with those kind of athletes at Tulsa. So, all of a sudden I get toperform every day with reps and going against derrol green and the other. Youknow people that we had playin defense and saying: okay, I'm mhoning my skillsto throw the ball time and where I should throw it. If I would have neverhad that opportunity, I would have never played fifteen years in the see Iwas at. I was that way in seventy four when it was a strike here and billyandsunny wearning camp, and I I crossed...

...the line. I mean you talk about Im, notof being a very welcome individual. Not only did I shoot my mouth off not onlyto were ther two guys who ere Hik. No in your Bar- well, you know occasionally say, but it was it was it was. It was. I mean you're on a bus and yourteammates ar their corn, your scars and yeah. You know all these. You know anantee the skins in the night in the earlys they were the strongest unionteam in football yeah they were, they were older. Guys Georgi had brought abunch of older guys over from the rams when he came and they were. You know, Jack PartyDyron, Talbert, ow, billy, kilmer, Sunny Jerkinson, Imean Lenny Hoss, I mean Ha Fisher. My Zat was Sam on the team,yet Hu no Samon Gon Sam play earlier than Idid Samet yeah left the giants went to the Redskins and then you know I had been caughne, but I didplay against you know. I lined up against the great ones inthe game I mean. Well, I never feer my first professional game, one thousandnine hundred and seventy four. We play the Kansas City chiefs at our place andWilliam Leneer is the middle lineback and I you know I M. I love football. Iloved it when I was a kid I so all these guys do all these guys I' seenthem on TV. It was really great. Now, all of a sudden I mean uniformand andI'm playing the Kansas City chiefs and I'll get to the line of scrimmage andWilly Neir had this. This pad on the top of his hat, look like something outof a space movie and I kept staring at Hi'm going wow man, Oy Lin, here, fiveyard penalty tolay a game. I got a namer haring, it really and I got afind yard penalty as my first play. So it's you never know. What's going to happenright? Well, you don't n you've made all kind of transitions like even whenyou were playing you've done things where you'veappeared in movies and TV shows, and so tell us what that was like for you. It was fun. I mean we had a tremendousamount of success. I did my first one of the first movies I didwas. I did with George Raft. It was called the man with bogars face andthen I did. Terry Bradshaw did Canni ball one. I did Cannon Ball, two an firreynolds. I mean it was an unsemble. It was an unbelievable unsemble of actors,I mean Sammy Davis, Junor, Frank Sonatra, Dean, Martin, Charles NelsonRiley, Jackie Chan, Richard Keelho, used to play jaws and all the bondmovies right and then I work with Catherin Boch and Susan Antim, and thenthere was Shirley. Mclan was in it and Jamie Farr was in it was I delaes an that one to dom don wasin that. As a matter of fact, Peter Doms son directed me in the last movieI did with the holelmark movie. I did really so yeah, so don was there and ofcourse, word Wasdam as funny as all the outtake shown to be. They were I meanthose guys were hysterical. You know, Bert was really the sort of thestraight guy and dom was hysterical. I mean and then Sammy he we'd have abreak. We shout at Old Tusan out there Aztona when we'd have a break Sammyused to have six shooters and he could Spin Them Y. Ah, and it would you know,we'd Sirtyou you'd have a break and it was I mean I had a chance to see to bearound some of the greatest actors of all time and andjust fun people I mean they. You know what people don't understand. I thinkthey see the finishe product of a movie, but they don't understand how hard theactors work to do what they want to do. For example, I had a conversation withBakew mcconnaughhe. Just recently he was incredible human being he's.Actually, a professor at the University of Texas, now yeah and he's teachingfilm right, he's teaching yeah he's teaching Um at Texas he's been theresince, like two thousand and fifteen, but now he became a true professor, andyou know we talked about movie roles and he said You know you just you haveto immerse yourself to a point where, when people you said the greatestcompliment, I get is when people come up to me and say you are that caractercharacter, like the you know, the Dallas Buyers Club you are thatcharacter, Itis, not your playing the character,but you are that character and- and it's there's a lot of work and effort,and I tremendous admiration for the people that do it on a full time basis.Yeah, I mean theyl that Mea to you, can absolutely watch a movie and tell ifthat Guyis is true to form true dayomater and it's g oit'sit's reallylike playing quarterback. I mean you have to own the position right.Everybody on that field. Everybody on that field and in that stadium, has toknow that you own that position Rightbut, that's part of it. Well, Joe,you also you, you were a guest star,...

...one of my all time. Favorite shows itgets very little play and a lot of people don't remember it, but I do Bjand the bar one of the greatest one of the greatestopening theme songs. I think in TV and you saing a little bit Mori guess nonan we lost s little while Yeahj the Barno.I don't know if I sawiti've seen that during the process and yea I did then Idid then I did Brooklyn nine nine yeah with Andy and Adam and God. So then Terry Cruis Wis on theretoo, with you right, Carrie Eah. I didn't work with Karry. What Jerrywasn't there when I was there, but you know Terry was a redskin right, carryplay, yeah he's and then he's got on to do the expendables and other things that hesaid a lot of movie. I think he's been in thirty movies. You know playing yeahPlang, the AVEA, normally large character, that'sgoing to threaten iyoo, I don't I don't have the Texeas, I mean who has thePexian, but right you K, O the Dancing Pek right, exactly exactly yeah, so I mean you've had an amazingcareer. Everyone knows about your Y ur, your time at the Redskins, and so whatare the things that you're doing now some of the charities that you'reworked with? Maybe besides your your restaurants, you doing anything else yeah. I matter of fact I'm in Houston.Right now is I'm talking to you ' doing a speech tomorrow to a group of real estate. Brokers have spoken just recently in Salt LakeCity to the Petroleum Packaging Council. I did a speech in Chicago to Horizons,advisory Port on health care. I do motivational speeches around thecountry. Have a book coming out in the spring called how to be a championevery day, Oh wow, so ' gi've been working on that for awhile. I think they're writing another movie we're looking at another movie.We usually shoot them the end of October November, so we're I'm waitingfor the scripts to come through on that, and then I have five grandchildren andkeep you yoow. My Oh yeah, he they're great, and we have my wife, fom Ha bigparty for me this weekend for we're sort of celebrate my son Joe, and Iactually have the same birthday. Jory turnd forty eight and I turned seventyon Monday, so robin we're getting the family togetherfor a big party over the weekend, because I was actually working on mybirthday and that's a tronto. I don't Lok o play. Go that's a Toronto O loveto play! That's right! Little Joseph Trao Baby! You must have some good solyBornin, Torano, general yeah, Bor t I'm forty eight. I know the dates. Yeah UNknow the day. That's right, but no I've been I'm een very blessed. I I love. Ilove. You know we are what we are S, a speakers really storytellers and it wasfunny when I got into business forty some years ago. You know I used to listen to otherpeople. I thought wow and what unbelievable stories of their life andand the different things that you can learn from other people, and you know Icontend that you know life is a learning experience and you need toknow more today than you do yesterday and you need not to know more tomorrowthan you did today and just from different people that you've metdifferent businesses that they're in different hobbies. They have mine Couf,I'm I'm an obsessive Golfer. I love the game. What do you mine is too now I'm actually a three don T, I'm nota plus guy, so I'm not quite there, and I can't hit it as far. I can't reachthe parfies into anymore, so the handicap has come up a little bit likesome of these young guys had just absolutely kill t and, as Ley cosy talkabout young guys. I played I play with some of the girls and the women. Ishould say the women on the OLPGA Tour: U Farkin Andwow, they never miss a PLAC blowin that it'sjust crazy. They don't they, don't they don't I mean, of course, if you, ifthat, if you and I chose that as opposed to football, we might be betterwith at that doe. You know, then we are today but last wing when I was twelve instead oftwenty two. I think I'd be a lot different. I've really started playing when I wasforty well, so I mean I just you know we didn't we didn't have it then I meanreally was it was I worked and the kids were young, so you know youspend a lot of time with the children and I see guys that 've known for along time I sai how's it going well. I have I have a four year old, O fiveyear olds. Oh you're, not playing colfs yous. Just you know they're rangingkids now right, but I hadend the charities, I'm involveda couple of theGi tfoundation, the Jimmy vs VB...

...foundation, something that I I workwith and t hen also Sant yous children's Research Cene. We live inMemphis Tennessee, also and close to close to the fundraising for those to those two charities. Yeah. That's great,that's great, we'll make sure that we mention those wet a San on you, O won,follow plessure gone back to vg in the bear. Not Noi'll lay off that, eventhough a lot of Aican say a ants Dav, you want hem to sing again. Don't youyeah no great, but when there's thirteen quarterbacks inthe in your recruiting class at Noto Dame how many the fol first of wance ascholarship limit at that time and was it different for independent schools because that'sUnbelieveim wore e. You know, I don't know the answer, but I think some wourwalk on. Okay, somwer scholarship yeah, but you know we recruit. Theywerecruited basically quote unquote athletes right for some Ev. You had thebig athletes you had the small asthlets and then I remember Clarence Ellis wasa defensive back with us. I think he was out of Atlanta and he was he wasthe only one that I knew was actually recruited as a corner. You know other people safeties andlinebackers they just if you were a big quarterback. You really potentiallycould be a lineback or died in and if you were fast and lean, you'd be a widereceipt yeah for me, ther Wa may be alignment and that recall. Well one thing wedidn't talk about to and I just read this somewhere, you were drafted in themajor league baseball draft too yeah baseball was my first love. What didyou pull you ITRIG Iwas, a short stop o I pitched te onlittle league and and all that on the triple a game I played trible avabaseball and we used to go to Johnstown every year and playing tournaments upthere. I was, I was a shortstop by trade. I played third days in collegebecause the short stop was on a scholarship, so I wasn't going to playit there. I played seven games in college until Spring football started,I tok six seven games and then then I went back to football but yeah I lovebase live. I have it on in the car. I listen o the Nashnals in Washington allthe time and you now I love the Yankees. You know they're just setting all kindsof records and home runs. I don't know whether it's the balls or the bats orwhatever it is, but you know were the drugs. This is going to be a record.It's gonna be a record here. I think they're going to shatter the record forhome runs this year, a think Rahat Record yeare the pirates going to breakDan. Well, then they'll set their own record of worse, second half claps inteam history. Once again we have to we're both PIRA fans, Joe, so it'stough living ohyeawhat's, your favorite baseball stadium to be a INATTENDANCZAT ow. Well, you know, I used old, YankeeStadium s gry I played football. I played football in n college. We went play army at Yankee Stadiumthat it with the monument that that was that to me and I've never been. I'venever been to Boston. So I haven't been into that one, but I would say YankeeStadium, but was I used to go to the met Games a bit,but Yankee Stadu was just was so nostalgic. I remember spending time haddinner with Mickey Mamma One night and I thought I died and went to Heaven Aye.He was in Washington and my one of my partners was in charge of the alumnifor Magor League baseball and we sat in had dinner one night and just listen tostories about he and Dilly Martin, and you know when I was it's really funny.I don't know if I collected baseball CRIDTS, I'm sure we all did right. ISto what I si still doing up. I did when I was a kid growing up. I mean Tomtress, ro, Caurand Yoki, Barren Mickey Manel, Roger Marris. I had you know atall these great Yankee trading cards and I use them on my bike. You knowyou put the card on the bikeand Apingdo. I think back now how much money was flapping around in my bicycle,who, when I as itcoing up Avyou, know I kind of get that way like weinterviewed Rebera, committed, Junor and he's a good friend of mine, but soyou know, and he talked about how he lost his identity, because everybodythinks he's his dad and- and I kind of see that because sometimes I look athim and talk to him- and we hear stories about like my favorite player-was because it was my dad was revertu and it was just you know, I'm still ennammored Bu. Ihave that's my favorite card. I have this rookie card and yeah. You knowit's just it's just you get so enamored baseball was America sport way back inthe day before Fort Ser? Well, I I en his time moves onto as time moves on.You know the sons become the fathers...

...right because people, you know theyhear the name of Berto clementy and it doesn't matter. I mean so many footballplayers to identify themselves as the third second junors today right. Youknow when you're, when they hear a name as famous as that, and they seesomebody they don't really think that this is someof. Is that would be ninetyyears old. This point his life yeah, you know Wor, I think about Clemenni toif you do go to a pirate game and you're one of the fifty five hundredthat are there there's about three hundred e Jersey Yeah. It's amazing,the fortion of plemeny jerseys, afirecame, still thi a STACO and allover the world. People love him. I mean there's parks and an and schools namedafter him. It's just an amazing story, all right Joe One. Last thing we liketo do what's called no huddle, we like to pepper you with some questions andhave you answer them as fast as you can and DAV boly starts is so go ahead.Dave shoot! Okay, Joe. If you were commissioner of one of the major sportsleagues for a day, what role would you change? I would? It would be, it would be professional football and Iwould do a better job of defining. I would make sure that we could definewhat it catches yeah. I don't know jams Nobeel, no, no, weLEARND HEAA couple years ago rhtiis. This is what a catch should be. If youhave two feet in bounds and possession of the ball before you go a o balance,that's a catch if you catch the football and it touches the ground,whether it moves or not as insignificant, that's incomplete. That's it! THAT'S UP GREAT! I agree youdon't need to go to replay. We don't need to go to replay ball tich theground. We don't need to see. If it move to Millan me a millimeter orcentimeter or whatever yeah we just we move on. I agree. It's ridiculous! AllRight! What's your biggest pet peeve people being late for meetings alwayshas been an the LACA. It's like number one in the business world. What's You'R basically saying toeverybody, elseis, I'm better than you, I don't need to follow the same timeframe. You need to follow and to me, there's no greater insult than somebodyshowing up lates for a meeting seck. We got fine got you. You know we caused USmoney yeah. I think that you know part of where it comes from for me, but I'vealways, I believe, in disciplines and you haveto have them and that's one that's very important. Well, it is my second yearin the League and we were having traincamp in Frassburg and Annie washeaving or first second child, and I stayed aslong as I could and I remember, taking seventy and then getting on sixty eightand I had this car and had no power and I'm like I'm going to be cutting. Itclose, and I remember walking inthe meeting and everybody sitting therelooking at me and AAs, the only meeting I've ever been late to and north just goes we'll talk about thislater. I said H, okay, you know, I'm just on' embarrass Beein Front, all theother guys. You know it's embarrassed yeah. Now we wouldn't do thit, but Iyear right I mean it's like and then everybody looks at you yeah and it'slike it's like what makes you so special that you can't be here on timeright. I AB forget that is. That is my simplebiggest pet peeve all right jove. You could go back in time and tell a youngjetismen one bit of advice. What would that be? Actually I gid one of those on whose website is t is it Geeters, Ithink, has a website were go back and talk to the youngest y know to theyounger Joe. What advice would you give the younger joe? I would still say that:Don't let anybody ever tell you that you cannot accomplish the dreams thatyou have right. Don't don't let anybody don't let anybody else determine yourfuture and tell you you can't do something. No Ig, I love it. One of my favorite show is because Ilove watching sports movies. What is your favorite sports movie, the blind side, the blind s causeSimmin yeah, which she's in it yeah yeah, which is basically based on it's. Youknow it's based off of my leg that you know that one and the otherone truthfully North Dallas Forty is North Dallas. Forty. I think NorthDallas Forty captured the world of professional football before anybodywanted to admit what it was right. No, I agree. Cold tubs pills drinking ill,smoking. You can eout everything everything Youknow, you win the parties,I mean its. The way it was really was. It was a different. It was a differenttime in a different era, but that was you know. That was the way it was backthat okay joke. If you Weif, we took a lookat your phone and we strolled through it. Who would be the most famous personin your phone today, Oje Oh gosh,...

...maybe, like a surprise person that wewouldn't expect somebody you wouldn't expect yeah Jeez, I don't know, I mean I've got a few.I've got a few, I can't say: I'V got others, that's a good enough answer. Yeah Igotayeah s. That is that a good ilet me ask you. This way. Do you have a formerpresident in your phone because you may possibly have could possibly have onesome of those yea? Actually you now the most famous person.For me, an my phone is my wife Robin there you go love it love it. That'sthe one you got ta call every day every day, dmonyi go ice. Crols through myphone- and I look at like two days of phone calls and it's like Robin- is like every otherone: Yeah CA, Ottravel Loe. You know I got to seewhat's going on and you know we get the visin kit caught up and then all thekids, I'm sure and then grandkids it's kind of yeah. Then the great kids, thegrandkids are calling, and you know those those are. I mean an. I say this toeverybody. Is You know so we're so busy in life that we get going so fast or Oln worldthat we forget that there's another world out there and that's that's whathappened to me when I, you know my ego got so out of control. Thet before Igot hurt. Thet has a world champion and Mvt the League and suit you Kows as afourth, his Cap Plat. You love this Fourth Highest Bay player, NationalPopl, one thousand nine hundred and eighty four had a billion dollars ayear right and which is crazy, and you know you you get so wrapped up intoyour ego and an all of a sudden when the Lake Brak came, it slamd me backdown to Earth, and now I appreciate people so much more appreciate myrelationships with my family, so much more and and spend time with your kidsright and your children. If your children are involved in an activity, try and make a part of it. If you can't,if you can't get there for the whole game or you can't get there for thewhole recital or whatever it might be, find a way to get there, because youknow what you never get that day back yeah, I'm driving to Philly thisweekend to watch my daughter run a half marathon, so God bless you yeah. So wedo that everything's about kids, thanks Joe Hey, thanks for coming on spendingsome time with us. We really appreciate it. You're welcome guys I enjoyed itthoroughly. Thank you. We want to thank you for listening to hoddle up with gusa RADIOCOM original. You can find our show on radiocom the new RADIOCOM, APPor anywhere you listen to your favorite podcast. Please leave us a review orcomment if you enjoyed the show, we are on facebook, twitter, instagram andYoutube at Howdo up with Gus. You can also visit us on our website. Hutdo upwith GUSCOM HUDD UP WITH GUS is produced by Cam Haldeman, and our mediarelations director is Terry showman. Our show is recorded at the energyinnivation center in Pittsburgh. PA. Thank you for listening, and you canhear a new episode every Monday right here on RADIOCOM.

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