Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

Episode · 3 years ago

Jimmy Lynn


Co-Founder of Kiswe Mobile and former AOL executive Jimmy Lynn joins the huddle. See for privacy information.

I am former NFL quarterback, gusts fraud. I played quarterback fifteen years in the NFL. This is my show called huddle up with gusts. Each week I team up with my longtime friend Dave Hagar and we talked with guests about how sports shape their lives. Pro Athletes, business executives, community leaders, everyone has a story to tell about sports. We invite you to huddle up with gusts this week in the huddle. He is said to have one of the biggest role the dexes in Washington DC. He's a pioneer in the digital sports sector. He's regarded as a leading broker in the sports management industry and as a founder of AOL sports he developed strategic partnerships with such organizations as the NFL, WWF, MLB, NBA, Nascar, Nhl and PGA. He's a professor, a philanthropist and an entrepreneur. Please welcome into the Huddle Jimmy Lynn. Okay, hello everyone. Today we have a special guests from Washington DC, Jimmy Lynn. He's going to get into huddle with us. Jimmy, we appreciate you coming on and I think it's so powerful what you do from where you started, where you came from and how sports shaped your life and how you are helping others understand how sports can shape their lives. Right. So let's get going and some of the questions we want to start with. was about when you're young, right, and and where was that first influence for you? There really took you down the path that I love sports and I want to play at all the time. Right. Well, well, thank you very much, guts for having me as a guest and great to reconnect. We've been friends for a long time. So I'm actually half American, half Japanese. Mothers from Tokyo, follow some Oklahoma. My Dad was a US army officer, so I my first eight years were growing up on military basis in Japan and I think is around five years old that I really started got in love with tea ball and it's been a lifelong love for the sport of baseball, but it really started with tea ball. And you think about back in the S, Japan was dominating the Little League world series back then, and so is actually really fun playing on an American team on the US base and we would practice and play against the Japanese Little League teams and you saw a market difference in how the teams were played managed practice. Japanese teams would practice eight hours a day. They'd run off the field take their hats off. There who cuts a battle of the managers versus the American way, which is much different, and I think I start to learn about discipline and how to play the game the right way and how practice is so important at a young age. Yeah, no, that's great. And one of the things that Dave and I were talking about is is, you know, you being a military child and probably being on a base your whole childhood growing up. We were kind of wondering what is that like for to be in a military when you start playing sports? Is it like? Are you going out? Are you on the base or do you go out and join other leagues? We don't understand that area of all at all. Great Question. For the Little League, you actually play on the military basis. So I grew up on our army base in Japan, so we played the League teams from Navy bases, army basis and and those you have lit league tournaments in the League Games. But as you get older and you play in high school, you play not only the teams from other military bases. You play the schools of the private schools in Japan and Tokyo who were the children of diplomats and business executives and government officials. I live in Tokyo. No, as far as like the coaches and that you had as on your baseball team, was it military officers? Was it dad's was like who really kind of influence you? WAS A as a? Yeah, the Great Question Day. So when you're little leguets's primarily dad. So military it could be the officers or enlisted men. So it's usually the Dad's are coaching, but when you get to the high school level it's actually high school teachers, Biz that teachers, that are teaching you. But I think what I learned so much was observing the coaches of the Japanese little league teams, because they just ran such a discipline and regimented system and it showed you how important practice is and how...

...important detail is and routine is to make you a better team. What would you say the biggest difference between the typical Japanese player in a typical American player? It's at an early age. I think the respect to the coaches. There's a hundred percent dedication to the coaching staff and then they're way is similar to but there's some kids are just don't really get and system. The coaches get one hundred percent respect always. Yeah, that's that is a big difference, right, and it's almost a societal thing. Yeah, it is. It really is. And you know, you try to. I coach high schoolball. I coached Literal League football with Gabe and that is hard to get respect to the kids. Hey, let's work hard, let's get it done in an hour and a half. I mean you're talking about their practicing free or hate out right. I mean it's just how do you focus that long? You know, I think the fact is land is limited in Tokyo, right, because thirty eight knowing people living there. So when the kids have a chance to practice on a US military base and you have that whole field for the whole day, they take complete advantage of doing that. So they would just practice routine practice scrimmage over and over and over. So where do you who and your family? Where do you get your athleticism from? I guess on my Dad's I am my dad, you know, Irish America and Fifth Generation Maklahoma City. So he was one of five boys and they all grew up playing sports. There was always sports, and you know my dad first taught me the love of University Oklahoma football, because all my cousins went to know you. So you know I got the love of sports from my father. You know that. The other important thing I think I want to share is when your military Brat, you live on that base for usually three years or up to five years, but you're actually, I think your socialations, socialization skills are very good because you're taught to meet make new friends every few years. Unlike my friends I grew up here in the DC area who might have gone to the same elementary, junior high in high school for eighteen years and had lived in the same neighborhood. Your force to make new friends every three years and I think it's you think it sucks as a kid, but when you look back on it, it actually teaches you to become better at social skills well, in terms of adjusting and being flexible, meeting people, situations, everything. Sure exactly my kids are the same way. I wasn't in a middle chairs. In the NFL, we move. I played for seven teams, eight because I played for the same team twice yea and our kids lived. I took my family everywhere with me right, right, and we're still connected that way. And they had to learn. They to do the same thing where they had to create new friends. We throw them into a new school when we go to a new town, and you had to learn all that kind of stuff and I'm sure it was all the same for you. Yeah, it gust the other analogy, I think, and you can relate to this, as your network of friends is so much bigger, like for you, but and Annie, but also for your kids, right, because you're moving in all these different cities, and so because of social media, you're able to reconnect and stay in contact with friends you grew up with. And so I found that our high school from Japan has a reunion every two years and we've been doing it for thirty years. I'm I'm going to Nashville and mid July for a high school union with with students that went through over three decades and and that grew because it's a social media. Wow that that that's pretty cool. So when you were in high school and you were playing sport, what sports did you play in high school? I played baseball, basketball, football free. Yeah, and then so who was the coach that influenced you? To you the most? There was a coach named Mr Elliott in seventh and eighth grade. So we had a junior high basketball team and I was a little scrawny point guard and we had some really good athletes on the team, but he really taught us a lot about team work and discipline. And Eighth Grade We won the championship in Japan, beating some of the bigger, bigger schools that had more people. But to me...

...a highlight was the championship game that my Japanese mother brought my Japanese grandmother and Great Aunt, who only wore Kimonos, had never been to a basketball game and it was really cool, like my Africanamerican teammates going Yo man Jimmy's Japanese people are up in the stands and I watched this like we got to win for them, and that's a highlight. That was forty years ago. I'll never forget that. That was a highlight. So when you came back to the states, you were sixteen. Right, Yep, what where did you go to school when you came back to the states? Yeah, it was actually a difficult transition because I came back to wt what's in high school in Frank Franks Virginia, which is threezero people and most athletes only played one on sport and it was hard to break freak into the system. So I didn't play high school sports the last two years. I continue playing baseball in the summers, but I didn't play because I wasn't in the system. And so you know the American way is, you know, you start playing junior high and you come up through junior high, then you have javing, you go to Varsity. I didn't. I didn't have that offort opportunity. So that was something that was a bumber, not not playing in high school the last two years. Yeah, that has to be a difficult transition. What about like academically, like you're schooling in Japan versus Fairfax? Great Question. You know, I didn't go to a Japanese high school. I went to American High School and on army base. So the education was good, but it was better here in the US because Fairfax County has one of the top ten public high school systems in the country and Whitson is regarded. I think will Langley is two of the best public high schools and so at the education here was excellent, but for me it was trying to simulate going from a small high school in Japan where you play three sports. I'm class Vice President Sophomore Year. You know people, and then you come to this big high school where you don't know people and it was hard. Fortunately for me, my best friend from Japan had moved the year before he went to school and he'll three team that there. They won the State Championship and seventy eight their right number one of the country. I became really good friends with a number of the Dan Adelle guys. So you were so I remember when I was a kid in high school and I was going to watch all the Varsity Games. I was a fan of like the guys who were my high school. So is that kind of how it happened for you? I know you said you didn't play your junior and senior year, but were you still a fan of all the sports and went to all the Games? A hundred percent. Hundred percent. Yeah, I came here. I you know, I went to Woodson Games, but I went to a lot of Annadale football games and my friend was a really good receiver and his father actually was a four star general and Jonal Guthrie was like my second father and he had a love of sports that was crazy. It's like, I mean gus you'll relate to this. Back in the seventy's there was something called the who the Hula Bull, where the college all stars would go play in Hawaii and then the year after they would play in the Japan, I mean a week later, they play in the Japan Bowl. So when the college all stars would come to Japan, General Gutthrie, because he was such an avid football fan, he'd have the US team come to our army based to practice. So we got to see Tony Dorsett and Ricky Bell and the SELOMON brothers, all these great players, like in the mid S, which was a really, really cool experience. The other thing Jonal Guthrie did really well was there was an HBCU game between grambling and Morgan State and seventy seven and Lo and behold, your predecessor, Doug Williams, was the quarterback. He threw a ninety seven yard touchdown passing the pioneer bowl in Tokyo and seventy seven. Well, you knew how how Great Doug Williams was going to be for anybody else did. Yeah, I've told him that a couple times that you were there at the game. You remember that. He got excited, but that was fun. Doug's a great guy. I've met him several times and I know he's working with redskins now all, but he is an outstanding guy and had tremendous talent and you know, he's one of the guys that broke the barriers absolutely for a lot of African American quarterbacks. Today Super Bowl. Mvp Lea, yes, he was definitely so, Jimmy, one last question before we break the huddle. I wanted to understand like how you picked where you're going to go to college.

You know you had all these influences in your life living in Japan, moving back over and moving back and then coming to back to Virginia to go to high school. What really made you want to stay in DC area? Great Question. So it's funny because I'm a professor now and I know I mentor these young kids. I sort of say I know what you want to do. So back when I was a kid, I always obsessed with statistics and sports, reading the box scores, memorizing positions teams and my friends bology used to always say that I was going to go into sports broadcasting. I'd go into sports, and I didn't. I didn't really I didn't know how they knew, but they sorted. You. I ended up I wanted to work in communications, in Radio and TV, so I went to American University and DC, which has a really good school of Communications. I think recently was right the number one school communications in the country, and I wanted to stay in the DC area and I want to do communications, so I went to a you both my Undergrad I mean time, which really think set the foundation for my career in the media work, media industry. Great death. That's kind of what we wanted to hear. Is like you know how people make these transitions in life and why they do it, and it really starts from when they're young, Yep, and you just keep these memories in your head and that I want to do that. Like I was lucky enough to be able to go on and play the game that I played my whole life and loved. Not a lot of people get to do that, but we all have a love for something and you know, we transition into our to our next phase of life. Jimmy, you know, you go through this whole transition in your life and now you're going to college for the first time and you talked a little bit about being, you know, Biracial, where your part Japanese, your part American, and you know, did you have any of those struggles in high school that kept you kept going on into college? Or a lot of people let that go and college becomes a lot different for them. No, God, that's we've never talked about this. You and I been friends with so long. That's a great question. So I didn't appreciate being biracial or I think part of it is growing up playing sports. Kids can be very nasty what they say. So, whether a point guard or shortstop or cornerback, I got called a lot of names by other players, you know, Chink, Jap, goog nip and you know, to mind game, and so I think I pushed aside my Asian side and and really became more into my Caucasian, my American side right and so it wasn't until my junior year in college I was in the library, I was taking a sociology class and fellow student St me, Debbie Friedman from New York City, where in the library, and she's like, you know, Jimmy, you're really lucky. I said why? She's like, you come from two backgrounds. You have an American background and you have a Japanese background. She's like, I'm Jewish, I only have one and something about that. The Light Bulb went on at twenty one years old and from that point on I embraced being a part Asian and and until then I had not. I put it aside, and I think it was sports that had made me push it aside, because kids can be so mean and nasty with their names. But that that's where I really embrace being biracial. You know, working in sports, I was only one of a handful of guys of Asian background working in sports. And but I'm really been pushing students of Asian decent to go work in an area that you're passionate about, follow your dream. Just because you're Asian, you have Asian parents, to say you got to be a doctor, lawyer, banker. You don't have to do that. Go follow what your heart tells you to do, and for me that's been really cool to see the growth of that. And I'm also telling the biracial kids. You know, Biracial is much more prevalent now because the demograph or shifting, whether it's President Obama or tiger woods or Osaka. I mean really, Hutch a bit like you know, look at your daughter situation, right. You just the Biracial is much more common than it was twenty, five, thirty years ago. I mean we like to talk about, we have been about influences in your life. And you you're supposed to forest, our general, the... know all those great people in Japan and when you you were supposed to in high school. But really that conversation with Debbie was a major point in your well in Yes, success, probably right so, but I'm glad you're reference might. So let me go back to Jonal Guthrie. So when my best friend's family moved from Hawaii to Japan and seventh grade and he went from a too star to a three star at Camp Zamba and he told his son and his best friend everyone is treated equally rake race, rank, ethnicity. You cannot cut the line because your dad's the general. The other thing he did really cool that I observed was he played softball and he bowled within listened soldiers a majority that were minority of minority descent. Most generals did not interact with enlisted soldiers back then. They were like the commanding general, Genal Guthrie said, treat everyone equally. Well, and that made such a deep impact on my life. But for the rest of my life he I looked him as my second father. He spoke at my father's funeral. No Way, he passed away year later, but I always send carrying on his legacy of treating everyone equally and that's something I learned at at, you know, seventh and eighth grade. Well, that's real leadership, right. And and it doesn't matter if it's in the military, if it's in the NFL, if it's in the workplace, if it you know, and you hear this all the time, because the last few years I've been in the business world a little bit, and when you see people that don't interact with their employees but don't know them, and some people come up and don't even know their names, Yep, it's the same thing. Yeah, and you have to understand your employees, you have to understand their profiles and because you want to make them want to work for you. And it's I'm sure that you saw that in the military as well. So guess let me tell you a story that I think you'll love, though. General Gut Thrie was a diehard redskins fan. So living in Japan we were thirteen hours ahead and so the NFL Games would come on radio in Japan on Monday morning, but they'd be tape. Dailey JONAL GUTT would call the Pentagon early in the morning get the redskins score and he give us the score. then. The cool thing is his son Kevin went on to play football at Princeton. He was an all time leading receiver until last year, his senior and eighty four. He was number two in the country, one double a catches per game. Number one was jerry rice from Miss Valley state and there was Kevin. So Kevin tried playing the NFL for two years. He didn't make it, but his agent was Marvin demoff. Wow. And then, yeah, that colors. My agent, Marvin, had the idea to create this quarterback challenge. So my best friend Kevin actually created the quarterback challenge and the battle the Gridiron and ran that in Hawaii in the mid s during pro bowl week. And the cool thing was Jonah got through. Is such an avid fan and Sonny Jorgenson was there. So jonal Gut thrie and Sonny Jurgenson would ride side by side in the golf cart as judges for the for the quarterback challenge. It's so you know, you go through your college career and you know what influence to really like, you know, because like my kids, they don't know what they want to do. Like Abby, knew what you want to do from thirteen, but for me I didn't know. I still don't know what I want to do. I'm trying everything and so so for you, you talked about analytics. Yep, and Todat really influence where you graduated from what you wanted to do in college. Yeah, so my senior year at American, my last semester, I took a consumer behavior class and I and the share of the marketing dock department. Dr Mason, was teaching and he pulled me in society said, Jimmy, have you considered Grad School and marketing? I said no, I have not, and he said forty five students, only four. I got as you got, you got an A. Marketing is natural to you. So he actually encourage me to go get my Mba and marketing and I spoke to a couple of mentors at the time and they said, you know, one school of thought us go for your NBA immediately, so you don't start working making money you don't know what it's like. So I actually went straight and got my MBA and I got my MBA and marketing and I graduated at Twenty Six. And although I'd been in turning and radio and TV, I'd really wanted to work in sports. And so Andy Arcatag and, who...

...was a general manager of wml, which is the redskins media partner, introduced me to his best friend, Charlie Broughtman, who was a top sports pr guy in town. So, as I tell my students all the time, I followed my passion. I'm Fiftyzero in death in my Mba, yet I went to work for Charlie Broughtman. I got paid nothing during the day, working forty hours a week, I worked at a radio station. At night I was a screen caller for Ken Beatrice Sports Talk Show and then but the Tom Snyder show, I was producing the board, making six bucks an hour, and then on the weekends I dj weddings and Bar Mitzipas and parties and that's how I made money. But my point is I started at the very bottom. After about two months, Charlie then offered me a hundred bucks a week and then six months later he offered me a starting salary fifteen grand. I asked for twenty one. I started eighteen. So when I tell my students I started at the bottom, I did, but I followed my passion. You've been through these life experiences, Yep, and you can give kids a lot of influence on what they want to do in their life. And if you had one word to tell your students, like this is the word that you got it, you got to live by, this is what you got to do. What's that one word you tell them? Grit, Grit. It just just having the ability to focus, be discipline and grind and grant, especially in your twenty s when you're starting, is great. Great to me is the keyword. I'm going to have you talk to my son, gave, because he's in sports management at Delaware and he needs to learn that word. I've been telling them that forever, but kids never listen their dad. Right that. I wish you would have talked to me when I was twenty. Right. So you graduate from American University and you're in DC. Who is that team? Who is that person? What was that like for you as a fan of sports? I know you love Sports, at that point, like who did you want to follow? Who did you want to go after? Who did you want to watch? This is really in interesting. You know, I do like the Redskins and the call the bullets. Then the capitals. We didn't have a baseball team. But this is actually ironic. I was a big band of Georgetown basketball from but I liked Maryland basketball and Georgetown Basso, but I love the Hoy is of the s. The Big East was great. And the most ironic thing is I'm now my thirteen year teaching at Georgetown. I lived three town houses down from big John Thompson. The Legend I'm the professor who meets with all the recruits. So yesterday I was meeting with a recruit and incomes coach owing and he tells the family, Oh, you meet with Jimmy, he's our closer, and it's like so friggin cool that here's a guy that I looked up to. I mean pat and I are the same age, right, and you know he's hugging you shaking your hands, you know, tell them that the guy this is my boy Jimmy. You know what? It just so cool like that's someone I looked up up to an Ilife. So I think it's really cool and you know, I tell their I also, just like I talked about John a Guthrie, I think of what coach Thompson did was so powerful. You know, recruiting the players he did. But the think coach Thompson did so importantly was he struts academics to their players. I mean there's still a half to play the basketball in the basketball office, saying you're here to play basketball, but really, academics is it's what's most important, and I think you see how articulate coach oing is, how a lot of his players are, and I think that goes to coach Thompson and the academic advisor team he built in the S, which most coaches didn't do back then. You're doing the board work for the radio station. You doing all these things. So what's your next step in your evolution? All right, so let me walk you through the next five years sort of where my career took off. So I did. I did the the PR job, but then less than a year later I had an opera to go work become a promotion director for a CBS radio station in the DC area, and the key message is, especially for the younger people, how important internships are. So I the job requirement was five years a major market experience. I had no experience, but I had impressed the program director at the previous radio stations, so he hired me. So I worked in radio for three and a half years. Then...

I wanted to to stretch myself. I went into TV. So I went to Home Team Sports, which became comcast sports, not Washington. Now it's NBC sports Washington and I was there but just like radio, I felt boxed in, like this is the same way you market a radio station a TV station. And I had the opportunity to go to a cable conference in ninety four in New Orleans and I heard a guy on the stage talking about a wellnews, Interactive News, how you can not only read the story but you can engage with the story, you can do polling, you can do Trivia, you can do chat, you can exchange pictures, and that to me my was my alhall moment. I want to do that in sports. So hts is one of twenty two regional sports networks in the country. I wanted us to stand out from the others and I want us to have an interactive presence. So I went to a while just because they were in Tyson's corner and ninety four and they said we don't do deals of regional companies, we don't have a sports channel at this time. But six months later they called me and said we really like your ideas. Would you would you be interest coming here and help us launch the Sports Channel? And that's where my career really took off. And in ninety five, we want to start now with AOL, kind of right where we met each other. Yeah, okay, and and tell us a little bit about AOL and what your role was there and go through that timeline of me just the world was changing at that point. It really was. Yeah, really, so ninety five is really your one of Internet sports sites going up. Many of the first sports sites and League sides launched in ninety five through the next couple of years. So my job was to work on content deals for a well, back then you're paying to hundred and ninety five an hour, so the more you stayed online, the more of the company made and the partnermate. So my job was doing partner deals for the sports channel. What's interesting is we had met with some guys who wanted to create an athlete blog site and they called athletes online at first. And so the first guys we signed up where Kajohn Carter, who was a number one pick, and Jim Harball, and then a baseball it was Eric Carros and Matt Williams, and so we were testing this concept of interviewing athletes. So I literally had this laptop. I would travel around the country with a laptop with that little phone cord you stick in the stick in that lit with, you know, gearing up, and then I would interview athletes. And when you interview athletes, I'm taking questions from the a well members, and I would ask the professional athlete. They give me the answer and I would type the answer and that's that was the beginning of whatever you called blogging, pot everything. And so in early the fall of ninety five, I believe, Pro Serf, which was in the area, Herb Swan, your agent, came by Said Hey, I want to do something like you guys got. You gotta do me favor. You gotta go you gotta go interview my Guy Gus, and I think one guy in the stesses, but he's the backup quarterback herbs, like I'm going to owe you. Go do this for me. So I said I'll do it. So I actually got got my laptop and I drove and I drove and I drove and I got to Ashburn, which to me seem like a far away there's a reason this story is funny, and I got to your house, you and any welcome me in and I set up my laptop and I asked you questions for forty five minutes. You answered him and you were really engaged and I remember you were like, I think you called heat it said, dude, you got to come over, man, this is a really cool stuff we're doing and this is the beginning, like we didn't really know what we're doing right, but it was really cool. But that was really the beginning of interacting, engaging with fans online, and you were, you're one of the first guys to do it. You see a budding podcasts and the making back. Not at all. No, I old, but I told I told Dave this morning. I said I should have left the redskins and went with AOL would have been a better job. That would have been good. But what's I actually end up staying your house for three hours. I'm I just hit it off with you and Annie, you know, would just you know, beginning of a friendship, because it wasn't me that he liked, it was... wife and he love everybody loves Annie. She has a great personality and and everybody loves being around her. Great Cook. She has great cook she loves a feed people. But about that other funny thing, guys about it. Fifteen months late I was like man Gustl way out there in Ashbourn. Fifteen months later they say a was going to leave Tyson's corner. We're going to build a campus like the Microsoft campus, Nike Campus, and Lo and behold the campuses in Ashbourne, five minutes from your house. So yeah, like within mile away, maybe not even. Yeah, where that Walmart is and now it's a wegment. That's where they will campus. So I ended up slipping there from, you know, from DC for fourteen years. Well, it means that area where the Redskin Park was Ashburn, you can't even there's no land left. Everything is bought and and built on and it's just an incredible how the expansion of that area in the last fifteen years has happened. Yeah, it's so a lot in county is now, I think, the number one highest income demographic county in the country and I think you clearly tribute that to A. Well, then MCI open up a campus next to us. So those were too hot. Tip tommies did really well. Employs made a lot of money and that change the whole ecosystem. You schools one up, you roads one up, shopping stunners one up, and to this day it's a fantastic county. Around that time is when a well button. That's netscape right. Yeah, that's really funny. I still remember in ninety five they called a well Internet on training wheels. Right then that'scape did their ipl and followed ninety five with no revenue and they just huge valuation. That that was the big a hall moment. But then a couple of years later we did end up buying netscape. So it's good. But I should transition to the the next person, along with Jonald, got through, was very influential in my life is it was Ted Leans has was just I got invite it to his hospor picnic that first month. I start there and we had playing basketball againsteve case, the CEO, and Ted, and after the picnic, Steve Case is an introvert. He's in the pool with his kids and Ted Flipping Burgers. He an extra very gary. so He'sa tell me something about yourself and turns out he's a Georgetown Gri and we both have a love for Georgetown basketball. So that's where Ted and I are relationship started and I took Ted around the country for four years before he bought teams, introduced them to Paul Tag Leaboo, NFL Commission, became a one of his best friends, Mark Car Lee Steinberg and then eventually David Foukin, Cortis Polka chaw. He got connected with Michael Jordan's so Ted has been a mentor and a close friend for many years. But are are. It was our love of sports that I really got the friendship off the ground. I remember we were always trying to do something what we called a cyber cast in June and ninety five, where I would take my laptop and to the Orioles td booth and then we would take questions from fans and then I would tell the questions to Mel proctor, Jim Palmer or John Lowenstein. And that was at the beginning of this whole interactivity on TV. But I remember at the end of the second ending I had the Tom Davis sideline report interview Ted and between the brakes and Ted looks a me goes, you left that to come join us. What the Hell were you thinking? Like, I believe to hype about the Internet is for Real, but it does funny how you know, later that year I took Ted to a Washington bullets game. I think it was December of ninety five. I took the bullets game or sitting in the front row at Center Court and and Ted's like, where's the owner sit I turn around at Mr Poland's four rows back and then Ted stands up looks just what is this seat? I said Nineteen, man. Can you imagine the pressure of filling this arena like forty fifty times a year? And now he knows that pressure here. Sure it does well the well as doing a little research before we met here, Jimmy and I read somewhere that you have one of the largest role of dexes in the Washington dcery and I believe that hearing your stories.

The network. Is it? Networking's incredible. No, no, not these that's a key strength. But I do, and you know that they used to call me the Mayor Day. Well, they call me the mayor on campus now, but I love it in sports, where Adam silver likes a joke. He calls me the mayor during a by all star weekend by walking. He's like, all right, the mayor's here, the party can start. So it's good, but on the mayor side. But this goes back to going up in Japan, like I learned or relationship skills and socialization skills. So I always try to treat everyone well, regardless of who they are, and that goes back to what I was taught by Jonah Guthrie at twelve years old, thirteen years old. I'm observing how important relationship skills are. So you talked about analytics when you were young and how you love that. You know there's a lot of analytics going on in sports. Go today there's the RFID tags that they put on the NFL players, Dave and I love watching one of pirate finally scores and hits a home run. It doesn't happen that often pausually. They do this occasionally, but it's there's the exit speed, you know, and then there's how far it went. What do you think about all the analytics today compared to like when you were young and you were looking at the analytics? I would just tell them the story. Yesterday, while I was getting my MBA and eighty nine, I took a stats class and I wasn't very good with a quantitative stuff, but the professor actually love baseball stats. So I actually use the computer modeling to predict all Ale A, MBP and eight hundred and eighty nine, and I used as my research the Bill James Baseball abstract books and well, as cool as I went to a well and ninety five. STATTINK was one of my first partners and Bill James One of the founding members of stats. So I thought it was cool how this came full circle. And then the the other part that's need is, you know, we're trying to get a well members to stay online as much as possible, and so back in nine five hundred and ninety six this was a new thing, and so what we did was we actually create use the data feed from stats and create the first real time score boards on all the first real time scoreboards on the Internet and then tire game changed after that. It wasn't just life scores, it was fantasy. So we thought it was being primarily for the life scoring and fantasy and reality. You're providing live updates for the first time and that deeply impacts the gambling and betting industry and you know they're getting real time information, just not on scores, bonded injuries, weather reports and so forth, and that that's when sports on the Internet really took off in nine thousand six hundred and ninety seven, because that real time gaming and and now the gaming and bedding is here in the US. So it's been just fascinating to watch that over the last two decades. You're done with AOL, so can you go through the next steps? And I know you're with a brand new company. Yeah, but I know you would. You had jalen associates. Yeah, you had a couple of things. You know, mentors are important. So I mean with Ted in two thousand and eight he's like it's time for you to leave a while. You've been there a long time. There's such good gigs. Jimmy, you got one of the best rollodecks in the injury go help startups. Go like, take the knowledge you have. Go help start ups and you're the best connector go connect people you can free business. And I had about nineteen clients and probably thirteen or fourteen were text startup. So I'd be an advisor to them, helping them with strategy the more importantly, helping them get connected to teams and leagues and brands and agency globally. And then under armor was one of my primary clients where I was on a monthly retainer. So I had a great three and a half year run an under armor. But a lot of the lessons I learned from a while in the S I applied to under armor at that time because they were going through that phase of being a popular domestic brand into becoming a global brand and trying to put under armor more into the social and digital and mobile. So it was taken lessons learn from Mayo well and applying them to the next you know, hot rising company. I would say it was. Would you say that's your biggest tech startup that you had under armor or is there another one that now? I yeah, I just under arm was different because they were a commercial enterprise and I was on a monthly retainer. So it was a good addition to the all the text artups.

But the other thing I was doing at the same time as I also started teaching at Georgetown in two thousand five, two thousand and six. So I teach in the business school. But then eleven years ago we created a master's degree program and sports management. So it's people like, for your son, who you know, goes to a good college but doesn't do the internships and they get out of college and like they want to work in sports, but no one has been there. So we created a Master's program targeted the people right out of college who want to work in sports. So we're now the largest program in the world with over over three hundred students. We built a program. But dohaw Katar, the health and prepare for the World Cup. I'm working on a program at Tokyo. I'm going to Tokyo in two weeks to lecture there. And you know, the the business side of sports and Asia hasn't been taught very well and I want us to take a leadership position. What's your greatest reward from teaching? I see is giving back. So you know, Ted leances came to a while in the s as the son of Greek immigrants from Brooklyn. You know, he stayed at his parents made like twenty eight grand and he came to Georgetown first time around a lot of smart, wealthy kids and he was lost and he was mentored by a seventy five year old Jesuit Priestney Father Durkin, and Father Durkan mentored Ted so well. Three years later Ted graduation, number one in his class and seventy seven. And then Ted goes on much about, you know, being mentored and giving back to the community at that age and Ted taught me that and for me to this day, I meant or two dozen students a year Georgetown. Most a majority of the students are minority students, in first generation students. So, man, he's at well over a hundred over the last ten years and to me is positively impacting their life and changing their life is the most important thing to me. And you know, in addition I meant to to Chinese American kids from a Asian nonprofit I work with. And so ten years ago, when the girl was nine their brother was thirteen, I promise their parents I'd put them through college. So I'm paying for their Tuition University of Maryland and the Dawzy just graduate from Maryland last year and I even works a capital one in Wilmington Delaware, and assist was a sophomore Maryland. So giving back and changing people's lives in a positive way is to me, the most important part of a teaching and being part of a university community. That's great. So what are you doing now that is disrupting? Because you've done so many things that have disrupted the industry right and your love of sports and your mentors you've had. So what are you doing now that's disrupting the industry? Great Question. So I am a cofounder of a great mobile video company called Kids we mobile. My two partners are junk Kim and whimswell. Jong is a you know. You can tell you everything we've been talking about the last hour, together with this John's immigriff and Korea game. Here self taught Johns Hopkins Navel off in ninety eight four one point one billion to loose it. He went on to become president of Bell Labs, top research lab in the world, but he's been one of Ted's longest biggest partners with the capitals and wizards and mystics since the early two thousands. So I know junk through Ted and five and a half years ago Jung Talk to me about what he saw was a third wave happening in digital and it's mobile video, and he just you know, these smart guys like that can see a few years ahead and he just saw where the cord cutting and cord neverous is happening, where the young people aren't going to be watching as much TV are watching more on the mobile device. So he and some of his friends from acatel loosen are some of the best engineers in the world on cloud based mobile video and that's what we focused on. My strength is my contact, my relationships, and that's where we're good team, where we've got a bunch of really smart guys and Technology and innovation, and I can get us in a lot of places, media companies, league agencies all over the world and that's what we're doing. So we've been we've been at it for five years and we're building what...

...a few leagues acts have told us is the we're doing professional work in the cloud that no other company in the world can do. So we're working with leagues, we work with media companies and we're doing this around the world, not just in the US but in Korea, in Asia and in Europe in terms of TV production. Will that eliminate maybe the need for the mobile trucks and that kind of stuff can go, bring go. So one of the things we're seeing with a few people is there we're basically become a more and more like a production truck in the cloud, and so the way you're able to do things is it'll definitely reduced the cost on the production side in terms of having to have the truck there and the huge manpower by being able to produce games virtually off your laptop with most of the production taking place in the cloud up. So is that so? Like right here at trip they have a whole high school sports network and they go out and they do all the championship games, they do games that are going on locally, whether it's wrestling or girls softball, and they try to go out and really give a view of what high school sports is going on and I think that there's a lot of you know, they can't be everywhere. So that's something like a like a small thing like for high school games. It's that something where kiss we can really help an organization like this and to really bring all that Info, all that data in in real time and let those fans of those schools see that. Yep, so there's a couple things. If you look at the three reasons people the three biggest reasons people use are mobile outs, are for the video, socialization in the gaming, but right now they're on all different APPS. So what we've done as we put all three on the same platform. So, for instance, we have a deal with a pro fighters league when the top MMA organizations. We did a cool event last night. You can actually watch the matches, you can also chat, then you can you also have the game offication feature. Who's going to win the fight? How are they going to win the fight? What round are they going to win the fight? And so you see the usage increases dramatically when people don't have to leave the screen, so said, having watching something on tv then on your phone where you're interacting with your friends. We put everything on the same platform and that's a path. That's that's definitely happening. The other really key thing about this, going back to and lytocs, is if your have a sports event on TV, that TV network can't really tell you who's watching the game, who's watching the air. If same thing you spaper can't tell you who's reading their newspaper. Radio can't tell you who's listening to the radio. You can do Arbitron, you can do Neilsen, they can't tell you. But with a mobile lap you know everything about the user. So that analytics game is so much deeper. So that resonates the markers and media company so much more, and so more and more TV networks have to have a mobile companion going forward and in order to play in a leverage way across all the different multimedia platforms. Definitely. I got to I got to introduce you to my buddy. You might have met him at one of my golf tournaments, sewn gleisa. Now he's the CEO of PBR professional bull riders. That be perfect. That be perfect because what they're doing is they're growing right and so back in the day, back in the day they could not like get the scores out like you know when they rate a guy. He's on for eight seconds, or they have judges writing their scores down. Well, back in the day it would take two or three days for people in Venezuela and other countries to see what their scores because they have a whole worldwide scoring. Now it's all it's all immediate. Right here. Here's the other the perfect thing with that. Many of the top bowl riders are from Brazil, are from Argentina, right, but when maybe are does the feat, it's in English only. We have a way that that a person can call that event off a laptop at home and their t shirt and Portuguese or in span finish. What we do is we take the TV feed in the castor calls the game in their native language. It goes up in the clouds, sinks it with a video feed and you got the perfect match. So that's how these sports can grow their sport by super serving each each country. Right. So if...

PBR wants to grow globally, they want to put it in Portuguese and Chinese and French and German. Here's a really cost effective way to do it, as opposed to before you have to bring that person in the studio, where you got studio costs at like cost, tapping costs. Here you just have the laptop and that's the production struck well. That is amazing. That's disrupting the industry. Don't you think? Shaven enough that shake it it up? So, Hey, we're going to break the huddle right there, Jimmy. We're going to come back to you and we're going to do a segment we call no huddle. Right now, we're going to go into our no huddle segment and we're going to fire some questions at Jimmy and we're going to see how fast you can score touchdown. So, Jimmy, day fire the question. All right, Jimmy, what's your most prized piece of sports memorabilia? I have a one thousand nine hundred and sixty six baseball bat from the Los Angeles dodgers. My favorite uncle's next door neighbor was a gentleman for the Denver bears, who's the AAA team for the La Dodgers. He you as a big baseball fan, so he gave me this bat in one thousand nine hundred and sixty six. Great. What about the most overhyped element in sports today? Most overhype element, LA LAKERS? I don't know, just you know, they're just so, so much the I don't know, I get sick so many choose grammer team and too much hype for the teams and to too much media coverage for these teams that I don't think deserve it. I well, like, how about if a guy it goes, doesn't want to be on his team anymore and gets to do all his stuff through social media and then get to trade and goes to another team exactly, and it's just on the news every day. Right, it's crazy. Get tired of it. All right, how about the Best Game Day atmosphere you've ever been a part of. This is actually going to surprise you. Princeton pen basketball at the pluster in one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine. So here we are. My friends are coaching at Princeton and think about it. It's it's, it's pain. Is Up Twenty five points over Princeton with fifteen minutes to go and Princeton runs at that motion offense at Pete carill invented and they came back from twenty five down and Chris Young and Mason Rocca led that team and it was a thing where I just turn to your friends. He kept saying no eff and way, no off and way. But that atmosphere, because pluster is probably the greatest basketball ven you in the country and I don't know, it took me back to the s and even though I go to all these super bowls, in the Olympics, World Cups, that's a that's that's something I never forget. All. I've got a couple more for you. What's your most disappointing or heartbreaking moment as a fan? Well, capitals, I mean the capitals did so, I mean so much good for me in the city. I've been a season take over twenty years. Brought so much joy the city, but having them lose game seven and overtime, couple those have been very disappointing. All right. Last one. If you could trade places with any athlete ever, who would that be? Just for a day, just for the day. Yeah, you know, what I like is actually I'm not a huge fan of Lebron, but I and love like just like. I've dedicated my the last part of my life to helping underprivileged, low income kit for generation called like Lebron is doing with those kids and Aquinn. It's on. He's changing those lives. Those kids are going to go to high school, going to go to call it, and each person's life you change. You changed dozens of people so I think what Lebron has done is heroic. Wow, Jimmy, thank you so much. We got to cut it off because we got coach Dick had coming on a couple minutes and you know, we got it. We got to really hear from Iron Mike, but appreciate you coming on. I mean your transitions in life and where you've come and what you're doing now for people is incredible. So thank you so much. From huddle up with gusts and I. Let me. I love to got a copy. I want to share it on social media. Well, yeah, we definitely will. Thank you, guys. Thank you, thank you. Bye, bye.

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