Huddle Up with Gus
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Huddle Up with Gus: Charles Haley

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Todays Guest: 5 time SuperBowl Champ D Lineman Charles Haley

Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of Huddle up with Guss. I'm your host, fifteenyear NFL quarterback gusts Farad. I want to thank you for joining us today. You can check us out at huddle up with gustscom. You can go to wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. We will be on there were on every network, so we appreciate you. We want to thank all of our sponsors today, the little blue pill credit guard, new to Genics, sixteen thirty one digital news, always a big plus. Go to sixteen thirty one digital news. Check out their sports news, information entertainment. They do a great job with that. And definitely check out to our PODCAST, is held at Sounder FM. Go to sound or DOT FM and check out our podcast, along with many, many others, and we appreciate you listening and please go to our youtube channel so you can watch the video, not just listen to the show, but now you can watch our shows on our great youtube channel huddle up with guss. So I appreciate you listening and get ready for the show. It's a great one. Welcome to what surely will be a doozy of a match up. Brian here sports fans, whether your game is on the Gridiron, at the diamond or on the links, we can only say get up off your seats and get ready for some real action. Welcome to this week's huddle up with Gus. Fifteen year NFL quarterback Gust Bar Rot Passion for sports has taken him on the field and behind the VENEES. Playing for seven NFL Franchisees, with one hundred fourteen TD's under his belt, Gust knows who the players are and how the Games are one hey, I got every day get to hang out with an a gonna quarterback up. Okay, sports fans, from the jecked out and plush sixteen forty one digital studios, it's kickoff time, so snap your two straps on and get to huddle off with us. Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of Huddle up with Gusts. I'm your host, fifteen year NFL quarterback gusts Farat, and I'm joined by a very special guest today. You can check me out and huddle up with guestscom. But all that aside, I got a extra special guests today. Five Time Super Bowl champion. We were just talking about if he ever hit me. I know a lot of defensive players. Is Hit me. I don't know if Charles ever has. I probably just went off the field before he had an opportunity to so, but joining me today is Charles Haley. Charles, how are you doing? Hey, I'm growing great thus. How you going today? I'm doing wonderful. I get to talk to you. You know, it's kind of funny when you go through life and you play, I'm played for all these teams and you don't really get to know defensive players as much as offensive players sometimes. But you're such a big figure in the NFL and I've always been a fan, but I always wondered, like is the mentality it's so different between quarterbacks and Defensive Lineman? Right, because I've had some friends that were defensive lineman and and it was we were always different. But now, you know, I hear all these great things about you and all the stuff that you're doing and I'm like,...

...you know what, Charles is a really good guy. I don't think he'd want to rip my head off anymore. Well, I never want to rip your head all, but depos a long not just like quarterbacks. We try to control the defense. That ought to be line. They're still success. The quarterback is at the Ham. So most people think that the safety's control their defense, but the DLARN does. Oh, no doubt. If the D Lin's having a good day, it's going to be a long day for the offense, that's for sure. Yeah, yeah, so you grew up in Glady's, Virginia, so I got to ask where you redskins fan growing up. No, that's burke steers. You are steal this guy. That's where I live now. I live in Pittsburgh. So yeah, I still am. I talk to first ball harts all the time and Malo, and then I thought a moved your green's house and hang out with him. Yeah, was that? So, you know, those guys were in the s. So the we're those guys. Who is your favorite? Ro Joe Bury, me and Joe Green's a baby. It's a reason about stop play and defense. Oh Yeah, so I saw him that one time at the Super Bowl where you gave that kid that Jersey and and and that was a game changer from me. So when, if you think back, when you're in glad he's, what was the first time you fell in love of sports, like when you were young, like we, you just playing all sports or do you do remember? Did you had like a like? Your Dad was in value brother. Everybody has a different story. I will not. I work not a big squiss guy. My Mom. I had for brothers that my mom made to whatever your the older brother did, you had to do so. And my brother went way better athlete for me. So I was just a class clown and just fat ill shade. Never wanted to do anything, but my mom changed that. So your mom. She said, look, I'm not driving all four of you all over God's Green Earth. You're going to pain the same sport so I don't have to drive there. That's kind of what my parents did too. Yeah, well, my mom whore at the stadium and my mom came down saying why I ain't on playing and I'm standing there boring, like please, love, don't want to be my mom. And she got all the way down and then the coach turn around and told that that you know, I'm lazy, that I never do this that in front of everybody. Oh, and I mean it wasn't. You know, I'm glad that they that many people, but my mom very proud. So I knew where I go. Give when I get home. Coach made a fad of mistake. He put me in the game. Once he put me in the game, I've never said I want about it bench...

...since that. Yeah, so what what did you fall in love with about the game that when you were out there, because I know you played tight end and defensive end. What was you like? You're like. What kept you like, because a lot of kids, like you said, you know, didn't really love the sport. It was different. They never played it. Then you start playing and you're like, man, I love this, I got to get more. I like the bowlence of it. I didn't like Idean. I didn't like get hit, but I was good at that too. I really love the fens. I like like seeing people are go back in the head when I hit. Yeah, you wouldn't like quarterback then, because that's all you do is get hit. You don't get to hit anybody. That's right. But yeah, so then you also played hoops too. I heard you were good hooper. Well, yeah, I could. I could do it all, but, like I said, when I got elballs me I'Ma get five file for real fast. So I was not good. I cook good for my anchor. So I follow out the game most of time. Yeah, yeah, I was known for that as well. I was like I grew up in a little town in Pittsburgh and and I was the biggest kid in my school at six five and I was my dad, my dad made me. He's like look, you're not going to play this game. You got five files. You Miles, will use them all. That was like his philosophy. Yeah, that was my philosophy. Yeah, so then you go through high school and you know you this incredible athlete. You Got, you've been playing sports and you know you're not getting the recruiting that probably that you probably have should have. Did you realize that at the time, or you just like it is what it is, is what it is. I didn't even nobody even told me that I had Belle. So, you know, I wasn't prepare at the college and and what I wanted to call it, to read it too great loves behind. So that's why I started talking to mark. They have kids catch up. We're reading. But James Bounce and gave me an opportunity and I took up bans of aternity. You know, I gave them a hall of fame bus because I won't every kid to walk through that. Do that locker room to understand power of education, and so I face man and I hold them a turn for the man that I am today because they gave me an education. I thought I when never did. Yeah, so did you. Did your mom go to a lot of your games when you're in college? She went to all the Oh, yeah, did she. Did she walk down to your coach in college and ever say anything to him? I know they would call her.

Oh really, yeah, they would call her say tall, door, this tall doing that. Hey, I never didn't do it after she got old. That's funny. How are your brother's did your brother's play? They all play me and more in my brother law of got stollarwshift for Madison. He didn't take it, but out did all my both guests follow shifts besides my going with brother. Yeah, I want it. Took it. Yeah, I mean that's amazing. And when you're growing up in glad he's obviously glad at you know you're growing up in that time where glad he's is probably a small town southern Virginia. There you don't got a lot of stuff going on like in a big city where you hear all these things. You read the papers, you do all those things and you get to James Madison it's a little different. You finally get to meet people from all over the place, because I know when I left my small town Pittsburgh and I went to Tulsa, it Hook my eyes. I didn't realize he's you know, you're playing against kids from everywhere, right and there's different. So what was that like for you going to college? I mean it had to be a big change. Well, the biggest change is that I will lead Jays and may one leave by to I didn't realize with the college. Hey, I'm gonna say way, I did. I did. I don't real out of that with the college and I was the open, but I've been really I'm a empty the introvert. I kept it myself, you know, only had one or two friends and I was good with that. Who I mean college? You were talking to me a little bit about your little bit behind when you got to college as far as grade level go. Do you had? Did you have somebody there, teacher, professor, somebody that helped you through all that and realize your potential? Well, I want to read writing. I had to stay during the summers to catch up and it was the hardest they ever did in my life. Let's to get on college degree. Football was easy, but I had to work so, so bare far to get it and you know, I guess it became my mantra. And you know, all my kids got there. You know, degrees, masters, you know that. I guess I just believe that education keep to solving all problems. No doubt, no doubt, and sometimes you wonder why. You know all these. I mean Pittsburgh has troubles with their public schools. There's a lot of people always trying to help. I'm sure Dallas has issues in Dallas Fort Worth area. have been down there and met with some of the schools and what you're doing is amazing. So what's your main purpose? Going into these schools and you telling these kids about education? But you know, sometimes we were young, we were told like sport, which is the only way you...

...can get out of these communities. Then reality it's education. It can get you out and stay with you forever. You just are the truth. And Black and Brown communities and either football or basketball to get their families on and historic community is soccer. And what I'm trying to tell him is is that it's not about Richard. For Wright of black it's about half and have done those with the education move forward, those that do not live in poverty or go to jail. So what do you want for your child? So I'm not into that. That best thing about shaming white people that think like, Oh my God, your ancestors did this or that. You know that's that's been over. It's time for us to wake up. It's tough for us to take positive steps to educate our kids. I make sure that every kid get a book. Nobody ever told me to read a book or gave me a book to read. And in the schools that I serve, which are the worst school district, kids get books, they get opportunity to buck, get gifts out of the store and they read the books we have. We all make it changes and we're doing it quickly, but it still hard road and I'm you know what, I'm more committed to this that I was football. I don't know about that. There's I don't think there's anything else you could have accomplished in your career in football. I mean you, you're in every hall of fame, college, professional cowboys, you're in San Francisco, I mean you, name it. You've done at all. So do you think more? You know what a couple NFC championship games that I could have worn and I could have seventh in ball races instead of five? Well, I mean just think about the percentage. You and Tom Brady only two guys to have more than four Super Bowl rings. That's like just some unreal percentage. But you know you deserve that. Like you, people might say whatever, but you've been there. You were the NFL defensive player of the year in the NFC twice. You're all pro twice. You five time pro bowl. You've done everything to prove yourself. Do you feel like how hard you had to work in your education at Jmu pushed you a little bit in football as well? Say, you know, I had to work my tailof Jmu to get an education, so I know I got to work my tails to be great in the NFL. No, it's too obsolete. Way I talked to young athlete and NFL player. It's not about strength and power, it's not about speed, it's about no, your perpoyment, studying. I I've been. I've been fust is a lot that I got into the classroom and...

I'll study and I could break player down and and it's about mental, mental toughness. Are you willing to do those ten times in a row or one time? Well, you know, I heard that about you, that like in the locker room. But you would also study other positions and go up to other guys and say, you know, you maybe need to do these and all this. And because you weren't just about yourself, you said this is a team. I got to know everybody's position. So was that a little bit of your philosophy, like you could find out a guy that wasn't studying or wasn't taking his job seriously? Well, what I did was I learned everybody position on defense so that during the game when guys get flustered and start giving stuff, I could tell them what they need to do. But the biggest thing I'm you, sir, do I wanted? I wanted to learn everybody scale won't understand what the offense of line coach is teaching to offer the Lineman to stop me, but I'll took it another level. I took off with the Rohmon out and it made them understand. Okay, what are you going to get this week? Or was this guy's foot? What was guys fit tell you what he's got to do. So it was fun. It was a chest match for me. Well, I mean obviously, when you study film enough and you see teams at wn blitz, for instance, in the nose tackle would be on the other side of the center, but as hips are pointed one way, you know that he's got to come back across the center because you're running. So there's all those little tips that you notice. If the defensive end has his hand down, are you standing up? There's there's all kind of signs that people give away and I'll never forget I played against Warren Sap one year and after the game I was talking to him and he said Hey, Gus, I knew when you were running it or thrown, and I was young and I said what do you mean, Warren? He said, well, when your feet were even it was a run and when your foot was back it was a past because you know quarterbacks, like the staggerers, dance to get the guard doesn't step on them. And I said, Dang. Yeah, he said, yeah, I studied you all week in film and that's the one thing I found out. I was like, all right, thanks for warning. To appreciate that. So it is, it is. There's a lot of little things that you can study, and you know in college you don't really learn that kind of stuff. Well, and, Paula, they just blow you out there. Yeah, and you could see it now. That's all they did were players today. They don't teach them nothing. They just wore them off. There there the best athletes and they just felt to go off there. There is a skill set. Yeah, do you do you feel like you can tell right away when guys are educated in football and not? Oh Yeah, Oh yeah, it's been talk that for him. They they don't understand or see the...

...vision that you have. They don't even understand that footwork. They just flew this to life. He really understand how to exist in the world. I just call them dumb ass a fleets myself. I'll go over there and to the cowboys and I just hate stupid and I walk around and dumbling and I tried to I try to be more of a teacher, not a coach. I try to teach them bought rife and if they want to know something about football, that I'll do that. My thing is is to teach you guys how to be young man. I'll to not make the same mistakes out there because, you know, I deal with I'm about polar, so I have to deal with mental illness. So when I see guys acting out the way I used to do it, I grab them and take them into the psychiatrist and and we all sat down and talk and come up with a plane. Yeah, I know, I hear you. I just went through the whole NFL disability for the mental side and got a total permanent for a lot of that because I had to deal with it myself and had to go see a therapist for a year, a psychiatrist for six months get on the correct medication to help me, and that's push me through a lot in my you know, in the last so many years, and my wife is a social worker and therapist, so she knew something's wrong with me and I had to go figure it out what it was. And you know, that's just the NFL helped me figure that out in your on all reality. Well, see you. You you're a blessed man. My Wife told me that I had a metal that I relationship with the Shit, because she would like everybody else telling me there's something wrong with me. So I've been I wasn't man enough to deal with my issues at that time, so ill might be able to run away. I ran away from everything, all responsibilities for me. They having a metal illness. But today, today I'm blest. I take my medication. You know, I'm no longer alcoholic, drug addict. I don't have to medicate. I can see the world different. So I'm blessed in always. I'm really happy that you've kind of figured that out, because a lot of guys don't and they go through wondering what the Hell's wrong with me? Right, because, when you think about it, you got that when you may have you probably were bipolar the whole time you were playing, but you got to let a lot of aggression out and everything out all week and in practice and in Games, and then all of a sudden it's all over and you're going, what do I do now? That's that's the hard Parton I think guys a lot of times realize that something's going on with them after they're...

...done. Well, when you get done, you just it's that three three leaves that you know, being part of associated with a team, all of that hits you at one time and then then in the mental Ros hit. It's just brands bomb keep depression, and so I went through a real spell beat depression after that. But silence is killer. If you know something for ask for help, seek help you know and then we know. People must understand. Hey, we hold people account but you're not like the love that's still you must hold people accountable. To have a mental some that one day you know they can ere your voice and one day they are who you might clear and get the help they need. Yeah, and I think it's people always put a stigma on if you're a man and you have a mental in it like you're weak, and I think it's just the opposite. If you're a man and you realize something and you go get help for it, I think that's you're even stronger because you've helped so many more people around you. Just like you said, if you would have realized that and gone help, you know, it might have been different for you when you were with your wife. And I've always tried to teach my kids out and I'm sure you've taught your kids out as well. Yeah, you know what, there's a lot of things that you got to go through and like but if you man or woman and take control, because anything that you really want, you have to take it. Nobody's got to give it to you. So if you want control of your life, you have to take control of your life and on the way you could do that is you have to ask for help. Yeah, and you know what I thought? I thought growing up. I've never heard about dad saying that the embarked and he, you know, he told me years later that, you know, he would get it with depression, but at that stage we were torn to keep out feelings hidden. Yeah, but we can't do that there the more. Yeah, no, you're exactly right. So, I mean, you played, you've had a lot of incredible friendships while you played, you had teammates going to the hall of fame that you've played with. who was there a teammate or somebody that, when you were done, that you were close to, that realize and talk to you about this? Well, no, nobody. And they're also afraid of you. Well, I don't know if they were afraid or they thought that to be on medication. That stop my aggression. Whatever. I don't. I don't ask the pressure. It's too late to live in the past. You know, all I can do is take control of my future, because my past do not define me, but I do today and tomorrow is but with the find me, but robbing love is rolling live and know he...

...was. He was the guy that I really wanted to immolate on to be like, but I couldn't. I couldn't hold it. I couldn't even hold his pants up. So, you know, at some point you realize that you got to step out on your own and I've been. I didn't leave the game with a lot of friends because I didn't know how to be a friend and well, I didn't want my friends to know what I would do with so you met people and they get to see your faults and I don't want anybody to see that. Yeah, that's that's really hard for a lot of us. And you know, you want friends see you all sudden a different Charles Right and and you know what you've gone through and I'm sure now, with what we've seen in mental health, what we've all been through, people are way more open. I think that what you're doing, what Ronnie did, I think you guys did a special last year or you did something before the Super Bowl together talking about mental health, which I thought was wonderful, and just all the kids, even kid you know, you think back when we were in high school, how many of the kids that we were with had mental health issues? And we're afraid to talk about it. Yeah, you know, we did. We did assume on that, but that work is still not we can you get more athletes coming out, but you just can't. It can't be like one time thing. It has to be an effort where lets it. It's a focus for all year round, every day in a week and as athletes, as as actors, whatever the people look up to, it's our responsibility to help them to come out of the doctriness. It could have, like you know, but the sad thing is every time something bad happens, somebody said this person had a mental illness. So everybody go back into the doctrines because they're afraid to be late. Yeah. So, so when did you really think thinking about your foundation and tackle, tackle tomorrow, and you really rely on your faith now, I believe like those two things like are huge for you to talk about. So when did that all come by? And he was two thousand and fifteen. You really start to look working on tackle for tomorrow? Well, my mom, my mom, big price and to me, and she told me one day I was from let him out and when I did, my whole life chain and you know, and he gave me a new purpose for living. And and that's why we create a talk Fromar me and Bob Bullie, because we wanted to help kids. And on the way, you just Brad Love. You have to teach it and the Bible, the Bible. You read the bobble all your problems. There's an answer in there. And so the only way we can get the kids of today to bear, to understand God's word,...

...we've got to teach him how to read. And so and that's the biggest thing is it's just, you know, you thinking that the parents go to church and stuff, but they don't. So how do you how do you get kids to stop hating, stop fighting, you know, and become citizens and educate, you know, new do entrepreneurs up tomorrow? It's only by education. And that's why we started taking to marrow. How many kids, since you started to taking the marrow, if you seen going on to college and you know, and that have gone on to go through your program and then going on to do great things? Have you seen it, if you've been doing it that long, that you've seen kids excel as they've gotten older. Well, we do elementary schools, so we don't get to see that part of the equation. We go up with the well program those up the third grade. Okay, we build the fund the mimmals that that's the key building blong to getting an education going forward. But we did with FL schools, yeah, that are closed and failing, and we have been taking a l schools to a schools, to stemp schools. So it's working, but it's a slow as a slow tread. You know, we're all there. Five schools there, hopefully, and a couple of years would be a seven. But I'm not. I'm it's not a marathon for me, you know. I want to take the steps necessary to build not only the kids, but we offer EFC, ESA, esl and ged classes for the community and because you have to build to build the community as you build on the child. Have you ever gone into one of these schools and makes you think back to when you were in elementary school, in the schools you went through and the teachers you've had and the problems? Because I didn't our school didn't have much. I from from a small small town in Pennsylvania and sometimes when I go talk to these kids, you just want to you just want to do everythingthing you can to help because you wish you would have had some of that when you were a kid. Yeah, I get invited down and I'm profable of the day and those days, you know, I get real. You know it, I'm going to bring tears to my eyes because I get to tell these kids that you know that tomorrow, tomorrow is there for them to reach, you know, but they got to reach for today and and other things. I tell a kid, nobody ever told me that I could go to college, nobody ever told me to read a book, nobody ever set there with me and loved me where I could understand. No, the groups came in the soul. What we do is not only do we want...

...to as we meant toward these kids too, and we have companies coming in, but mentorship. It's about the little dates. Most kids don't leave that community. So all I see is black and ground. Yeah, you want to bring all types of people into the community so they could be a part of the world and not just up down on the spaces that they live in. Yeah, that's so hard for so many people, even though we think about the Internet and the phones and everything that we have, though people are connected all over the world. That's not the case in some of these communities and you see it all the time that they don't understand the world that's out there and you got to show them and you got to show them with love and kindness. Then then they can really reach to new heights that they've never they don't really understand, and I think that's great what you're doing. Well, thank you. Well, you know, I think you've had an amazing career. I know you got to go, you're at the gym, you got to go meet with other people today and you know, just joining me on huddle up with gusts was special and just getting to talk to you. You had an amazing career and it was always so much fun to watch you play and your intensity. You're with you're smart. I hope so many people can grasp that from you and you're doing what you need to do is teach new kids, new talent on what to do and how to do it. Thank you very much for that. Well. Thank you, guys, and always one with us is that we play football and because that was our job and we did a great job but that doesn't define who we are today. That was just a part of our path. The man we are today is what God wanted us to be, to be the leaders, to be the followers, to be the helpers because, as I said, you know the laborers few that labors of you, you know, and we have to feed the sheet right. So how can all of our fans find you or follow you or even go to your website? Where can they find you? Hey, go to tacolamarcom and you'll find all the information about Pacolamar. We're doing a dinner on de Summer, on September, twelve out of the star. You can go there and you can also go on the website for our book drive, bike drive to make donations. But we want you to know one thing. We don't give anything away. They have to earn everything that they get. That's the most important part that I teach is that there's nothing in life for free. We all have to work, for Jesus said you have to work, you have to labor in order to eat. You know, there's no free lunch, and I agree. I agree one hundred percent of that. There is no free lunch. Everybody has to work. You have...

...to work hard and you have to put in the time, in the effort to get what you really want, and that's the only way your dreams come true. To be honest, one thing I wanted to ask you. When you see those kids go into the star, I can't imagine what their faces look like because I walked into the star when it was first built I was like, holy cow. Now, when these little kids come in and you bring in is it, does it put a smile on your face and you see them just light up at all? It always does. You know, kids are so unique. You know they're they're just wide open and at anything. You could. You can change kids wants through education and I won't that. We experienced different things. I want them and know how much we love them and that you know they have saw off the earth. Yeah, a hundred percent agree. All right, everyone, Charles has got to go. I appreciate you, Charles, and thank you for joining me on huddle up with gusts and and good luck with everything you're doing. Thank you, guys. I have a great day. All right, you too. Hey, everyone, go to tackle tomorrowcom check out Charles is foundation. He does an incredible job with kids all over the country, especially in Dallas, but go there, donate, help him out and get these kids on the right path and give them the right foundation. Thank you for joining me on huddle up with gusts. Check me out and huddle up with guestscom or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast, and we'll see you next week. That's where sportsman, thanks for joining in the fun at the six thirty one digital studios for another active puddle up with gus, featuring fifteen year NFL quarterback Gus Fara. Huddle up with GUS is probably produced by one thousand six hundred and thirty one digital media and is available on Apple Music.

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