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Huddle Up with Gus

Episode · 5 months ago

DOUBLE FEATURE: Andy Martino followed by Leigh Montville

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Welcome to the Gus Frerotte Show with 15-year quarterback Gus Frerotte, who interviews the greatest sports figures, journalists, and supporters with compelling and often humorous discussions. To celebrate the 4th of July weekend, Gus is presenting a double-feature of interviews with two prominent sportswriters. First up is Andy Martino, a longtime sports journalist who has covered the New York Yankees for years and knows the ins and outs of the game like no one else. Then, Gus is honored to host Leigh Montville, author of tons of awesome sportsbooks with his latest being “Sting Like a Bee,” covering the late great Muhammad Ali. 

Hey everyone, Welcome to anotherepisode of huddle up with Gus, I'm your host, former NFL quarterback GusFrerotte and welcome to the new 16 31 digital new studio. You know, somepeople say no news is good news. Well I say to those people you've never read.16 31 digital news dot com. Go to 16 31 digital news dot com to get your latestnews, sports, music and entertainment and maybe even listen to your favoritepodcast. Follow up with Gusts. Check it out today at www. 16 31 digital newsdot com. Huddle up with Gusts is brought to you by Vegas sportsadvantage, clients of Vegas sports advantage are winning big in 2021 youcan be a part of the winning two. As of june 1st $100 bettors are up $3700.500dollars. Bettors are up $18,500.1000 dollar bettors are up $37,000 and $5000.Bettors are up $185,000 become inclined today by clicking the link in thedescription below and use promo code, huddle up To take 25% off your packagetoday. Thanks to our partnership. Welcome to what surely will be a doozyof a matchup brian here. Sports fans, whether your game is on the gridiron atthe diamond or on the links, we can only say, okay, welcome to this week's huddle upwith gusts. 15 year NFL quarterback Gus parents, passion for sports has takenhim on the field and behind the bench is playing for seven NFL franchiseswith 114 TVs under his belt. Gus knows who the players are and how the gamesare one. Uh, it's not every day you get to hang out with an NFL quarterback up.Okay, sports fans from the decked out and plush 16 31 digital studios, it'skick off time, so snap your chin straps on and get ready to huddle up with us.Strange variety, big play two Aleve. Thank you. Heyeveryone, welcome to another episode of her show up with Gus, I'm your host,Gus Frerotte, Thanks for joining me here in the 16 31 digital news studio.As you can see it's not real studio, but we appreciate 16 31 digital newsfor having us all the time. And I want to thank my team, Terry and brian andIan kissed. Ian is no longer going to be with us, he's moving on to biggerand better things. So, good luck with everything Ian and um I want to thankSounder FM for always hosting our podcast on their platform and we wannawelcome our new partner. Hold on, I gotta look at, I can't remember theirname, Terry, you gotta remind me. Um It's I think it's Vegas sports betting,is that right? Vegas sports advantage? Uh Dot com. So if you're willing tospend some of your money and win someone betting and maybe our nextguest will will help you on who you need to choose uh to bet on. But go toVegas sports advantage, put some money in there, they're helping people win alot of lot of money and they're doing a great job. So thank you to Vegas sportsadvantage for that. So our guest today um Andy Martino, he's an analyst andhe's a writer for S. N. Y. Network in new york and he covers Major LeagueBaseball. Andy, how are you doing today? I'm doing welcomes, how are you? I'mdoing well. So tell us a little bit where you are right now. It's prettyexciting actually. Yes, I'm, I'm in the back of the press box at Yankee Stadium.Uh, almost every zoom, whether it's public or private that I've done or anyvirtual uh, interview or meeting has obviously been in my basement for quitea long time. So it's nice to be a live sporting event that I get to cover anddo. My job was slowly getting back to normal here, which it's a littledifferent than your basement. I assume. A little more energy. A little moreenergy in the building in my house.

Yeah, so who the Yankees playing today?Yankees have the Royals tonight trying to put some consistency together. It'sbeen a tough year so far. One step forward, two steps back. But Gerritcole on the mound tonight against Kansas City man. Gary cole. So I livein Pittsburgh. I've always been a pirate fan and you cover, you followMajor League Baseball, you know how hard that is. Um, and Gerrit cole wasalways one of my favorites and you know, obviously he's with a really good teamnow, but uh, you know what is going on with gerrit cole? I mean, there's beenall this crazy, I've tried to follow it and you know, not, so is is gary colegonna have a great night, or is he gonna be without without all this crazycircumstance going on with them? You know, I think what you just said gus,that you're trying to follow it and you're obviously a knowledgeable fanand consumer of sports and the fact that it's kind of hard to figure outwhat the scandal is. I think that's what helps baseball players like coalor anybody else is linked to what's been going on, is it, it doesn't reallycapture the public imagination, like the steroid scandal or the sciencedealing scandal. It's definitely been a story. But basically you've gotpictures who were using things like pine tar and sunscreen and rosin foryears for grip on the baseball right against the rules. But it wasn'tenforced. It was kind of one of those gamesmanship, uh, situations and overthe past couple of years is the materials that you can use. It improvedgluey sticky substances like one called spider attack, which is more than justhelping with the grip. It's helping with the spin on the ball. And it'spart of the reason why sliders have become so much more biting and forcingfastballs up in the zone, have more spin and it's helped such a highpercentage of pictures that, you know, in cole's defense and anyone else'sdefenses become kind of identified with it. It's like so systemic that theleague is just trying to now get this stuff off the baseball in general. Yes.Gerrit cole is one of many pictures for sure whose spin rates have gone downover the past couple of weeks. Maybe not as dominant as, as uh, any picturemay have been with some of this stuff, but now following the rules andoperating at least in 11 A level playing field with all other picturesbecause they're really checking, checking belts. Chicken hats, chickenglow. Yeah, I saw they checked the Graham was yesterday or day before.Like they really went over everything. Um, and that's why I never got like, uh,you know, a football, they throw a new ball in, it hits the dirt one time theyget rid of it and they get a new ball, you know, and then like they won't letthat happen. But they were letting these other things happen. I don't know,I liken it to football in a way that, you know, back in the day, it was likedefense, we're gonna win three, nothing. And now it's like 35 to 30, 30, youknow what I mean? The scores have gone up. Yeah. And I think in baseball nowthat the pictures, you know, if they're gonna have less spin rate and throw theball over the plate a little more and guys are going to hit more dingers, Ithink it may even help the game. Oh, I agree. That's one of the reasons whyMLB decided to crack down on us because we're seeing so many strikeouts thatyou go to a ball game to take a kid to a ballgame. He's on the basic level,wants to see action, not pitching dominance and stealing strategy, butjust hit the ball, run, run from first to second, try to leg out a trip. Allthe exciting stuff. And there's been not enough of that. So baseball hasbeen really brainstorming, how can we create more contact? And sure enough,since this has been an issue and talked about and pictures have been in theorycutting back on the stuff they've been using over the past couple weeks to seemore offense? Yeah. You know, and do you think there will be an a strict onthis year? Because, you know, we had some perfect games and things at thebeginning of the year, uh, you know, where there were no hitters and things?And do you think so? Do you think there will be in a strict, you know, when yougo back and look at, Uh, the history of the game in 2021, do you think therewill be an ass trick for this year? It's a good question. I think people inthe know, well, no, but I also think us...

...that this was more of like, you know,something can become a new story for a couple weeks, gets all the attention,It's great, it's something to talk about. But again, like, we look back atMcGuire and Sosa in 98 that and everyone's mind has an asterisk becauseit was a steroid taking home run chase. I just don't know if you have toexplain For like 60 seconds with sticky stuff. Does to the layperson. I'm notsure how much people right here, not a lion a little different than shoving aneedle in your right. So so Andy tell me a little bit about where you grew upand how you fell in love with sports and why you became a writer. Sure,that's great. I love that question. Not when I've had, we're talking about thebook. I grew up in Rochester new york where there was one of the oldestballparks in America called Silver Stadium. It was built in the early 20thcentury. It's not there anymore. But when I was a kid, my dad would take meto one game after another all summer long every year, triple A baseballaffiliate of the Orioles at that time. And what that intimate tripleexperience if you grew up in a minor league town probably does is youactually get to know the players every year, like the team ran a camp when youwere on summer vacation and you met the guys and they tossed the ball beforegames or whatever. And it was just so much more personal that probably gaveme a quicker feel in my life for how much I wanted to be around the game andaround sports and interact with the players and learn more. Uh, so that,that was something I also grew up in Rochester, you know, you're just alittle, you're not far from from where the Buffalo Bills play and I doremember the painful experience of sitting in that all concrete bowlduring like a December game in the early 90s as a kid should be a reallywarm. Yeah, really ideal conditions. So those are my two sports experiences.Never, yeah, they never had to use heavy equipment to move snow in Buffalo.No, never, never Rochester or Syracuse either that little wing of the wing ofthe world I grew up in. So you appreciate baseball in the summer. Theyjust have the massive front loaders that got to plow the streets, not likea normal plow truck, just like some big machine that's gotta get so much lakeeffect snow out of, you know, whatever snow up there. That's one thing we arewell versed in. That's for sure. Yeah, that is for sure. So did you playsports growing up? I played baseball, just stopped short of high school. Mygoal was to be a writer. Uh, I was more than path of right for the school paper,learn everything you can about the game, uh, follow that path of trying tofigure out in your in your twenties and in college what you want to write aboutand just kept getting pulled back To baseball frankly, you know, I went tograduate school ultimately for journalism in my late 20s. Where didyou go? I went to graduate school at Columbia University, here in new yorkand then, you know, everybody wants to be a foreign correspondent or cover theWhite House or something. And I was like, I want to cover the ball game. So,you know, at a place like that, that creates a niche actually, uh where, youknow, maybe not a lot of people want to do that, but that's always what I waspulled toward. I think it does route back to just being a kid and being atthose games, seeing how magical it is, getting a little bit of interactionwith players and just wanting to learn more wanting to be that guy. So cole'spitching tonight. If he, if he gives up a game winning home run, a game tyinghome run in the sixth inning, chooses to throw a changeup, which is, you know,his third best pitch. I want to be the guy that can ask him why, what was hethinking? What you can portray uh, then, you know, on the air or in a story,what that what that moment is like why that decision was made, Whatever, whathave you, right? So following, there's so many games in baseball, you have toget to know these players pretty intimately and understand them prettywell. I mean, there's, you know, there's five starting pitchers, there'sa bunch of other guys, but you're gonna know what Garrett polls like you justsaid it's the third best pitches change up. Right? So, but when you go and youfind out, you do you ever ask him like, okay, right, Garrett, you're facingthese guys tonight. How many, how much film have you watched on them? You know?Or is it is it more the is it more the manager is that the catcher, Is it allof them put together that watches the...

...film? It's all of it look in a noncovid, totally normal world of coverage. We're not quite there yet. That's youmight remember that some sportswriters yourself, the good ones developedtrusting relationships with people on the team. You work the room you put inthe time. So guys know like if I talked to this guy, he's going to blow it up.This could be a big stupid headline. If I talked to that guy, he's just tryingto understand the game. So you try to build those relationships and sure Billthat I don't talk to as many people as you can. Nothing like covering a biggame and I've covered all the sports at one point, another, overwhelminglybaseball. So the big game would be the postseason in october and you get totalk to the picture, the catcher, the opposing hitter, the managers and youput together reporting that tells something people your fans, somethingthey might not have known. That's that's very satisfying just to learnfor yourself. If you have to support you cover just selfishly to be able tolearn that for yourself. First time I saw that you worked for philadelphiaInquire did so what other papers? So philadelphia new york because that'sthe only two cities you've been in or pretty much I was lucky. I came up outof school, I was at the Daily News in new york, started as an intern and wasable to cover nick's Jets, Giants, Yankees and mets and just get the fullspectrum. Always baseball was the main goal but would have been happy to dosomething else. But the job opened up covering the Phillies in their heydayduring the jimmy Rollins Chase Utley Ryan, our careers and I jumped at thatand then came back to new york for the daily news for quite a few years. SoI've been very lucky to work with some great papers, which fans make you morenervous. New york fans or Philly fans. That's a good question that the Phillyfans are the Philly baseball fans. That's what I covered in that town.It's such an eagles town that there's a will to have the Phillies do well. Butthere's there's more of an understanding in that town, I think, offootball and baseball. So it's like you if you try to make a point point, maybenot land and you might run into some trouble with your audience in new york,they can be brutal. But many of the readers at least kind of have anunderstanding. The challenge here is that you might be right into somebodythat understands the game of baseball just as well, if not better than you do.So it's like a great test and in that regard, but in Philly it's kind of itwas a little more for baseball, at least the team was good, the town wasinto it, but it was like when lou is good, bad, it wasn't a lot of thesubtleties, you know? That sounds a lot like Pittsburgh right, that theSteelers are so good, Everybody football minded here, uh everybody'shockey minded because the penguins have been so good and then we get to thePirates and we've like we were really good in the seventies and kind ofeighties and then we just fell off and I think we lost the whole crazygeneration of fans, you know, we're probably true in Pittsburgh. Yeah,unfortunately, no guys, people just want to go to the games that drink beer.They don't want to go to watch like these stars because we don't have anyYeah, we're ashamed because I remember that, you know, a number of years agowhen that was McCutchen Neil walker teams did finally break through and getinto the postseason. How crazy that ballpark was. People were hungry for it,but then they went right back into their hole. Yeah, it is difficultbecause I'm one of those people, right, like I playing a professional sport,but always being a fan of like my hometown, a couple other sports is notbecause I remember the Cueto game and you know, the whole stadium is goingcrazy and he drops the ball on the mound and we win the it was it was justnuts. And everybody in Pittsburgh realized what it could be. Yeah, but wejust could never ever get over the top of that. Yeah, that's gonna be tough,isn't it seems to me to when I watched the games and maybe you can tell me ifI'm wrong, but new york has a different atmosphere then like a Pittsburgh, youknow, where it's more, it's like you said, it's more, they're moreknowledgeable of the game, we're Pittsburgh, it's more like blue, it'salmost like blue collar and white collar, it feels like Yeah, no, I thinkthat's probably true. I mean, I don't...

...want to go too far, probably insane,like, like you know, Pittsburgh certainly better than I do, but I willsay from here without putting down another market, I would say from here,there is a lot of uh knowledge of what could happen on individual pitch orwhen something special happens, why it's special or when the team is notdoing well, Like there was a game in new york where Gary Sanchez to catchher, not known as the greatest baserunner made a baserunning, blunder,ran from second to third on a ground ball to short, which you're notsupposed to do. And the crowd knew exactly why it's that attention todetail. Yeah, I know that that makes, that makes a lot of sense. So tell me,what was the most nervous that you have ever been to go up to somebody and askthem a question because their their points where, you know, like let's sayI threw an interception in the last like couple parts of the game I didn'treally want, like if anybody came up and asked me a question after the game,I really wanted to wring their neck, you know, but you knew you couldn't,but there's some intimidating people out there. So tell me about a time thatyou remember where you were super nervous to say, I got to ask thisquestion. You know what? That it's not always the person who was the losingpitcher in the game or whatever. The guy that made the error. Becausefrankly, you know, that that guy's teammates are looking for, looking atthat guy that screwed up to say, are you professional not to take themedicine with the media? Like I do when I screw up, so that that I was alwaysokay with you feel bad sometimes, But it's the job is a job for me. It's themore controversial stuff where someone might really be in trouble. Uh, likesomething that might affect their lives and well, you might be true. You'relike, yeah, this is a big question I'm gonna ask you. I'll give you a concreteexample When I was the new york Daily News, we have this investigative teamthat did a great job investigating steroid or pED kind of stories. I wasthe Mets beat writer at the time. I was in san Francisco where Melky cabrerathe outfielder was leading the league in batting was at that time and nobodyknew that there was anything fishy going on. Our paper did know that hefailed a P. D. A steroid testing was going to be suspended at some point. SoI get a call from the office when you're covering the Mets Giants today,you have to go over the Giants clubhouse. You have to ask Melkycabrera if he failed the drug test. It's only fair. Yeah it's gonna right.Was he holding a bat when you ask them, was he holding a baseball bat when Idon't think he was. But now a clubhouse can get like when, I don't know if youguys give like a little bat signal to each other, but when it gets tense youcan feel everyone kinda sort of looking at you and it was just like milk. Yeah,sorry to ask you this. And you know, I'm thinking like if this is a surpriseto you, this might change the course of your life. But we were failed hysteriatest. He lies and no, I don't blame him for lying to me. Who am I in thatmoment? You know exactly it in that instance. But uh it's things like thatwhere you feel like gee this might be a good person who made a bad decision andhere I am about to ask us something major that those are tough. Yeah, I canI can see that that that would be different than saying, oh, you know,you made an error. You didn't throw it right the first base, like what youknow? Yeah, I mean that's a lot different. I understand that. So in allof baseball history and all the incredible players that have playedbaseball, who is someone you, you've always, if you could go back and askone question and interview somebody who would that be? Oh boy, that is such agood question of people that have covered or anyone in history. Oh no.Anyone in history back before you, before you and I have both been alive.There's some incredible players like that would just be like, because Icollect old baseball cards with my sons and like I have a lot of vintage cardsand some of them will read the back and it just be like, man, how awesome wouldit be to sit at dinner with that guy and find out what he's really likebecause they kind of used to explain it on the back of the cards, you know whatI mean? Like they told some incredible stories. So is there something that,that you would think that you would love to interview? It's funny, my God,answer to that is one is probably would...

...be a complete waste because of the wayhe was with the press. But I like a challenge. And Ted Williams was alwaysknown as number 11 of the most cerebral hitters of all time, wrote a bookeventually about hitting the retirement and one of the most cantankerousdifficult guys that you could ever try to deal with. I always liked thatchallenge of trying to crack the guy that everyone else is scared of? We hada player in new york for a while, I was covering the Mets daniel Murphy who putoff this, don't talk to me vibe you want to try because I'm like, well noone else is talking to the guy, I the only one that would get access to whathe has to say if I could somehow crack that became very friendly and now he'sretiring me texts and stuff. It took me a lot of work, so I would have liked tohave tried to be one of those red sox beat writers in the forties and fiftiesand crack that ted Williams mood and try to get him to teach me all abouthitting. There was no, you have to talk to the media back in that day, right?There was get the f out of my face, kid, I could just see that saying. So itwould have been interesting to try to put in the time to see if he could gethim out of that. Right? Right. Yeah. You know, and it's amazing because Iwas talking with Adam Schefter um a little while ago, he came on thepodcast when we're talking about when I played for the broncos. The broncoswere always known for their linemen never talking to the press, Right? Yeah.Like that was a rule, like, if you caught talking to the media, um uh youknow, if you talk to me to you owed money, they find each other and theydid all these things, and Adam goes, yeah, they said that out loud. But youknow, after, like a meeting, I'd be in going to breakfast with them orsomething, they'd give me all this inside scoop. As long as I didn't saythat I was talking to a line and they gave me all kind of scoop, but I'm like,that's a great thing about anonymous, right? All kinds of people could talkto you when they pretended that information adam is the king ofanonymous sourcing. Yeah, right. But trusting relationships, you know,honestly, if you overdo it with anonymous sources in my line of work,you have to be careful, but if you abuse them and use them to take cheapshots or whatever. But if you get people to trust you and say, look,don't put my name on this, don't blow me up, but this is what's actuallygoing on in here. That's that's the relationships of being in good sportswriter, I think. Yeah, so you know when you look at the Yankees, I mean if youryankee and almost you become a star, right? Like instant, like you put thosepinstripes on, you become a star and there's some pretty famous Yankees, youknow? And so when I think about like, you know, people like a rod and youknow, they're playing all these games and you get to interview them and he islike almost larger than life just because of the money he's made and thegreatness he did on the field. What is that like for you when you go andinterview in a rod and we are, when you get close to them, it's kind of cool.Does your people, you know what I mean? It's a great story to tell. Yeah, it is.I had a I really had a lot of fun um Alex wasn't having so much fun at thistime, but covering when he was in 2013, august 2013, the big story in baseball,how to imagine how big now, because he's kind of settled in as abroadcaster, But he was given his record suspension for PDS. He was suingthe union, he was suing the Yankees, He was suing the league, It was his war inthe middle of all that. He comes back because he's appealing the suspensionin Chicago game against the white sox. And it's not just sports media at thatpoint. It's cable news, it's everything. It's like the story. And to be someonewho can actually be covering the sport, be there, you want to talk to aballplayer and be in the middle of a major national story like that. Wedon't always get that with sports. So it's cool. Yeah. And those guys like aRod is and Jeter in a different way. But guys who uh, they know that theirbig cultural figures and big celebrities and it's not as easy to getthem one on one as it is. But you know, the backup catcher obviously or so it'skind of operating on a different level. It's almost like you're covering amovie star or something. And what you...

...see in the locker room is this can be aperformance and uh, it's, which is fine. You understand why people who are thatfamous have to keep their guard up to protect themselves in some ways. Butyeah, when you're right, there is a presence of that in baseballparticularly takes a lot for baseball to break through. Obviously it's notthe most popular sport in America. So when you've got a huge star, like awriter, a big story like that, uh, from my end of it, you try to have fun withit. Yeah, I mean you have to because it is, it's, it's like, you know, youmight be able to, but if I wouldn't ask the normal person name one person fromthe Yankees name one person from the pirates, I guarantee they're not goingto name anybody from the pirates. Right? And they'll probably name McCutchenbecause there are like three teams sense of pirates, you know what I mean?So it is crazy, you know, and uh you know, it's just, it's just amazing tome that, that, you know, and there's so many games and your work is every day.So how do you focus to where you can go every day, write a new story or youjust kind of are you just focus on the data and analytics of the game oryou're trying to write a story about, you know what I mean? Like more of astoryline. Yeah, sure when you're a team beat writer traveling with theteam that takes up all your energy and time to imagine. Yeah, I try to break afew stories. I did that for years now. I'm in a position where I'm not on theroad as much as one of those people, one of those reporters, so I'm able tofocus on news really just leave with news. Like I try to wake up with in themorning, what can I report today that people don't know and it doesn't haveto be a big adam Schefter style, huge scoop. It can just be a little thing,right? Try to learn something and lead with that is a good way to look at it.And then when you get the chance to write longer things, whether it'sfeatures or books, you know, having the time, I don't want game stories anymore.In fact, unfortunately newspapers dying out. That's a bit of a dying artoverall, but not doing that frees you up to look at news features go a littledeeper Maybe. I don't have to write about the main thing that's going onthat day. I can write about something else. That's also interesting. That'sgoing on. Just looking every time you publish a story or go on the air andtalk because you just want to be interesting, you want to not repeat thesame thing that people that everyone else covering the team does. And that'sthe beauty of reporting. If you're doing it well and you find outsomething fresh, then you have something interesting to say. Yeah. AndI think you guys are such a big part of uh, you mentioned it like baseball isnot the most fan favorite sport in the US right now. You guys have a majorpart of making it that way, right? That that you can make it sound in seeingwith new technologies and, you know, way to get in fan engagement. I don'tthink that it's only players, but it's the people telling the stories to makethose players seem great uh to make the game interesting to to figure out howto get more people involved. Well, please clip that off and send it to themajor league baseball players associated, because it's NBA coming upand we're worried about accident. We're gonna put that up for you. Yeah, pleasedo. Yeah. No, it's just it just it is a way like I went, I've always been a bigbaseball fan and played it in high school and everything, but, you know,I'm an armchair baseball baseball guy, but it does need to figure out and I'vebeen racking my brain, I'm sure you do too, is how do we get people engaged init better? Yeah, it's tough. It's a very rewarding sport, but it requires alot of attention and attention to detail. I mean, it's not always, youcan have a great time having a beer and half paying attention. Yeah, it'sdefinitely not a Tiktok kind of game. No, no, but I think the pace of it andthe fact that, like you look at the field, you know, nothing's happening.You really know the game, you know, there are signs being Given stolen,there are positioning, there's all...

...kinds of strategy going on. Themanager's brains always going 100 miles a minute and there's a lot to notice ifyou learn. But I do think it's tough to, uh, initially introduced it to someonewho might not have the attention span for it, unfortunately. Yeah, I'mhalfway through my nachos and nothing even happened yet, you know, but likeyou're saying, but there has been stuff that's happened, right. The coach gavethe sign, the guy missed the sign, he got caught. You know, there's all kindof stuff going on. And I mean, I get it, I get it, but it just isn't that, youknow, I'm always trying to figure out what can make it, that Tiktok kind ofthing now when you do that, it's hard, like maybe more home runs. I told myson he was driving down to go to a camp today and I, and we both watch baseballand we, we love it. And he said, Dad, dad, maybe the games will be like 12,12 to 10 now lets the pitchers can't grease the balls up. I said, I don'tknow. I mean, these guys still throw 100 miles an hour. You do, let's startit. That I think we'll get a little more action and that will help. Andbaseball is trying to figure things out whether it's banning the infield shiftsomeone they thought about or even legislating how many times you canthrow over to first, it's a picture for pickup moves to inspire more stolenbases. They know they need more action. But at the end of the day, I thinkeither you love the sport or maybe, you know, do you think there's ever goingto be another Ricky Henderson still that many basis? That's tough to see.That's a great question. Teams just know now that it's rare that somebody,major league teams say like if you can't be successful, 75% of the timestealing, it's not worth, it hurts our offense by the percentages. Sobasically that discourages stolen bases, but baseball MLB is trying to find waysto make teams incentivize them to do that because everyone knows howexciting it is in the ballpark and the guy takes off. So that's somethingthey're trying to encourage in terms of a Ricky Henderson. No, I don't think wego back to the style of baseball is so many stolen bases. So I know we've gota short time to tell us what you're doing now and what we can look for onthe internet from you. Sure, Well uh you can look at you can find myselfevery day at S N. Y. Dot tv. That's where I cover MLB Yankees and Mets havea book out called cheated, which goes into detail, goes on. This stuff thatwe kind of just discussed in the abstract which is uh the things goingon under the surface, the signs being given the science being stolen, notjust what the Astros did, but what all teams were doing to a varying degreemany teams for for for a long time. But I would have to see the Astros weren'tthe only one. They were not the only ones. I do believe that they took it toan extent that pushed it past what was kind of the standard at that time. Butyeah, the whole point is sign stealing and cheating and gamesmanship have beengoing on in the sport for well over a century. What is it? I wanted to takethe reader inside the game to talk really do all the things and I didn'tmake this connection on purpose in our conversation Gospel. You asked me goodquestions and all these things that I love about the game, the access toplayers. What do they say? What are they doing? What's really going on iswhat I was trying to portray uh in that book. So it's about the Astros but it'skind of about my love for the game and all the things that happened there tooso that you can find that anywhere you buy a book and you can find me on S.And Y. Network if you're in new york or S. M. Y. T. V. If you're online, wherecan we follow you on social media? It's at Martino nyc on twitter, awesome, youknow, you know it's kind of funny, we're talking about the Astros and youknow they were using like the garbage can thing and I'm like there's all thisnew crazy technology out there. Yeah that you could I mean it's justincredible we're creating now regards the technology and the Astros are usinga garbage can to bang on and to say like this is a fastball, this iswhatever, you know? But obviously they were using cameras, this mother stuffbut I just laugh at that. Like this is really a little bit like the thing thatsticks in your mind and that's part of why it was. So it's like, as you said,this high speed cameras to get them the...

...live feed that allows them to look atthe sign and bang the trash can. But there's a lot of people that wereinvolved in that team then that were like, why are we so stupid to dosomething that basic bang on a trash can for all the intelligence that waslike the most analysts, the organization of I think you'reabsolutely right. It is kind of funny, right? Like who was the guy in thelocker room that came up with the idea? That's what I want to know, like, likeyou know, I'm trying to think of one of the players just like staying in thelocker. Me guys, I got this great idea. Do they all just turn and look at themand their chairs and be like, what are you nuts? You know what I think it was,it was organic the way it was like a green had the signs. They tried to useone of those massage massage guns called the ferry gun where it's like adrill right into the back of the bench. You hear the sound sometimes it was tooloud for that. They tried clapping, They tried whistling. I think it was assimple as it is a there's a trash can there in the corner. It's like, howabout that evolved like, like that just evolved like that. And you're thinkinglike, like some in high school I get that. Right? But like major leaguebaseball. Really? Yeah, it's awesome. Well hey Andy, I really appreciate youjoining. No, we we we we only had a half hour with you and sorry, we're alittle late there. But uh you know, I appreciate your time everyone check outAndy. Um It's at Martino, N. Y. C. Yeah and check them out on the S. N. Y.Network and check out his new book, cheated. Um And it was great and I hada lot of fun. I love talking baseball because my whole life's been football,but uh you know, I appreciate you coming on and enjoy your time back inYankee Stadium and you know, good luck against the Royals today. Mhm. Yeah. Hey, head off with gustslisteners manscaped. Well they sent me uh they hooked me up with a bunch oftools and formulations for their package three point oh Kit. Uh so youknow, I want to show you guys what's in the perfect package, right? We allthink we got a perfect package, but they sent me the perfect package, threepoint oh kid, I want to show you what they sent me. So it was crazy, It camein this great box, uh you know it and you can see what it says, They willthank you because they sent us this awesome trimmer. They sent us uh youknow, stuff that makes you smell better and then uh you know, they sent me thisgreat uh boxers, you what you get, right, protect them. And then uh youknow, they sent me this cool sack, I guess you want to call it to store allyour stuff in. So uh it's been great. Manscaped sent me a bunch of product umyou know, and you know, you can see it all on here. Uh you know, you can go toManscaped dot com and put in the code. Uh Gus Frerotte, that's G. U S. F R E RO T T E. Get 20% off and free shipping when you use that code. But you can geta kit, you can get individual items like um this way cool rumor that has alittle led light um ceramic. These things come apart, they're waterproof,you can do a lot with them. So, you know, Manscaped is great. You know,it's funny game, I remember when I was playing with the Denver broncos and I'mnot going to mention any names, but there was a gentleman who was playingon our team and uh, you know, if you ever hears the story, you'll knowexactly what I'm talking about. But uh he brought his own clippers in one timeand he used to trim his beard up, his goatee and everything and he had himthere for about two or three weeks and he goes in around the corner, he walksin and there's a person, another player...

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...down at 16 31 for for always helping usout. And then we want to thank Sounder F. M. For hosting us and hosting ourpodcast on their platform. Sounder does an incredible job and you know theyjust with all the new technologies today and the way they transcribe audio,they have just been heads above the rest. So thank you to Sounder FM andwant to thank our new partner, Vegas sports advantage, go to Vegas sportsadvantage and really um you know, uh you can go there uh and hopefully likejust like our last guests, uh maybe our next guests guests will give us someinsight on maybe who you should pick and bedding and and make you some moremoney. So today our guest is three times new york times best sellingauthor Lee Manorville. And he's a former columnist for the boston globeand former senior writer at Sports Illustrated. He's written way too manybooks for me to go through and talk about because I'll screw them all up.But uh you know, his new one tall man in short shorts lee, thank you forjoining me on huddle up with gus how are you doing? I'm doing great. Doinggreat. You can go through all the books if you want. Go right ahead. Okay,ready? Uh sting like a bee evil, the mysterious montague. Uh the big bam tedWilliams at the altar of speed minute and why not us? And then your new one.How about that? Is that all right? It's a fine crew of people, isn't it? Youknow, they're like little toys I could take out and playing in my room. Youknow? It is, It is. Well, I was kind of laughing because we were before you goton, we were talking about your new book and you're going talking about tall menin short shorts. And I said, wait, I gotta I gotta picture so check this out,lee, this is me. My parents made this back in high school from my basketballand look at those short shorts. I said I had a little moustache and I hadbraces and one of my ankles was destroyed from basketball. So youdidn't see it at all? Yeah. Weird at all. Yeah. I don't know why my parentswanted that of me and then my mom gives it gives it to me in a big box of stuffand now my kids just laugh at it. So, so lee tell me about where you grew upin and like kind of your first realization that you had a passion forsports. Well, I I was like an only child. Umand I hung around with all the guys and you have to figure out, I think whenyou're an only child, how are you going to get inside with everybody? You know?And in sports seemed like the best ticket. I was the kid, we always knewabout the trades that were coming and where the teams were playing and whathappened last night and uh, you know, I was like a little blabber mouth kid andWhen I was in 5th, but this was a new haven Connecticut and when I was in 5thgrade, I handed in a book report and the teacher, Maria esposito said, comesee me and went after she handed out all the book reports, she didn't handout mine and I went up to see her and she handed me my book report and shesaid, you know, you're a very good writer, you should be a writer. Uh thatwould be, and so I don't know I was that's the only teacher I ever hadanywhere at any time who gave me any kind of confidence. But I took it likethat's a ticket to my life as a writer and I used to deliver the paper and uhin the mornings and I would get done delivering my papers and there was akid who sold papers at the corner and we would get together and we would eateat breakfast like hostess cupcakes and uh grape soda for breakfast. And wewould read the paper and there was a guy in my town frank Birmingham, he wasthe sports editor, he had his little picture in the side of the paper and hewas always going to the World Series and the Kentucky Derby and all thisstuff, Yale football, which was a good thing. And I said that guy's got thegreatest thing in the greatest job in...

...the world. And I said that's that'swhat I'm gonna be. And so when I was 10 years old, I was thinking of doing thisand uh I'm the only guy, you know who was 10 years old and wound up doingwhat he wanted to do. Yeah, That's amazing that I love that story becausewhen you're young and you have these dreams and you want to figure out whatyou want to do it, they barely, you know, stay in the same job or even thesame field. You know, when you're young, you see a lot of kids were like, I wantto be a fireman and all these things. You knew you wanted to be a writer thatearly. So you must have loved reading the paper if you could remember allthose things because I knew a couple of kids like that. It's a lot of work.Yeah. But I was like, I was an indifferent student. Um, but when I gotto college I got involved in the, in the paper at the University ofConnecticut and wound up as the editor at the end and where I went when youwent. So you went to Connecticut, you're the editor of the paper. Now.What was your like, what was your main goal? Was it more sports or was itjust all over college? No, I was, I was the sports editor as a junior incollege and, and I, I became the editor. I thought that would be a good careermove. But I found out I hated all all that real world stuff. I I was going togames. I was covering the UConn huskies, they want the tournament and all thatstuff. And now I was kind of current meetings of student government andstuff like that community chest carnival and said, I said, what am Idoing? I mean, I want to take other sports and I've stuck with it. I've hadchances to become different things. And, and I said, what's better than sports?People pay attention to sports And, and you know, there's, there's that oldthing, Microcosm of life. There's everything in sports. I mean, I'm sureyou've come across, you know, medical situations, legal situations, life anddeath situations. It's all in sports. It's like, like a town that we all knowabout. Yeah, there's a lot of, uh, I mean, obviously sports, there's a lotof intriguing it, uh, there's always a new storyline, every game that's playedbecause there's nothing written for it. Right. It all happens right there andyou get to watch it unfold in front of your eyes and I'm sure being an editorof a paper, it's not like, hey, We're gonna go cover the science fair thatjust came in and it's going to take 12 hours, right? Like happening, and youget to cover all kind of stuff. So what did that lead you onto after college?Like what did you like? Where did you, what was your next step? Well, the first thing I said, wherewould I like to do this? Where would I like to be a sportswriter? And I saidI'd like to go to Sports Illustrated, that's the big place. But I didn't knowanything about how you got to Sports Illustrated. So I I I looked it upwhere the office was and it was in new york city and I called up SportsIllustrated's and I want to apply to be a writer. And this woman from HumanResources said that well you can make an appointment, you can kind of comedown. So I got my little Anderson little suit on and and and my littleattache case with my clippings and I took the train from New Haven and Ishowed up and uh the officers were right across from Radio City and Iwalked in and and they said, well you can wait in the waiting room. And therewere two guys waiting there and and they kind of had sweat shirts and bluejeans on and they were talking spanish to each other. And so we're all writingthe three of us. And, and and they said, are you waiting for miss. So and so andI said, well, yeah, and they said we are too, we're applying to becustodians. And I said to myself, this is probably not how you get the chartswork goes through. Yeah. And lo and behold there wasn't, you know, theworld, the woman just hoisted me off...

...and said said, basically, pardon? Youknow, go someplace really scary coming. So I went back to my hometown, NewHaven, I became a writer there and then I went to boston and I was works rightthere and then works illustrated and uh, and I'm 100 years old. Well how did youget to the point where you wanted to take your sports like you're, you know,when, when you're a columnist and you're writing for the papers, when didyou make that switch to say, okay, I want to write books, I want to writefull stories. I want to take my time with all of this. You know? Uh, Ialways, I think in the back of my head I always wanted to be Ernest Hemingwayor or some great novelist, you know, away from writing a school because theguy from this guy tom Cali who worked in since he said get right charliehustle the P Rose story and also write the songs arises, you know what I mean?People don't open it up and see also Ernest Hemingway charlie hustle thePete Rose, you know, I stayed away from Ready. Um but then it I I didn't worryfor Sports Illustrated a minute bowl and he was just fascinating guy. I comeacross, you know, he'd come here from the Sudan seven ft seven and hecouldn't couldn't read or write english and when he got over and uh bob black,you had to learn how to how to hold the pencil, you know, I mean, that's abasic who was and uh and it was just a fascinating story. So I kind of put outa couple of feelers and uh and I wrote a book about the new ball which soldabout seven, you know, I think mostly the people from Sudan named bowl, ButBobo has one. Right? Yeah, yeah. That's his son. Yeah. I bet that would havebeen like very interesting. Did you did you fly over the back to where he wasfrom or did you just do interview actually? Did I I convinced where it'sillustrated to send me to the African Basketball Championships where theywere going to settle on the one team that was going to play in the olympics.That was in Cairo. Egypt. And I went there. So I was on Sports Illustrated,Sports illustrated's dime to go to Cairo. And then I took my own money andI flew down to the Sudan um Khartoum which which was just a fascinatingplace you know. And uh they had no no street signs, no phone books, nonothing, you know. And they had you had to be inside your house by 11 o'clockor 10 o'clock at night. It was a fascinating place. Did you get to meethis family? Not really. I met his cousin, his aunt,a cousin who was working in the U. S. Embassy in Cairo. Um But no I met likehis coach. I mean the guy the guy was in the jungle. He lived in the jungleand a tribe in the jungle and It was 7.7 and some some Minister for thegovernment went to the part of the jungle where he lived and they took apicture of the minister standing with this guy who was seven ft seven in themiddle of the jungle. And they published the paint the the article inin the cartoon paper and the guys that were on the national basketball team inKhartoum said whoa. 7.7 we should find out about this Guy. And sure enoughthey tracked him down and they brought him to cartoon and and he learned, Imean he he was like 17 years old and he first touched the basketball. I meanyou know it was very late in the game...

...and but he had a real aptitude forblocking shots. He couldn't he couldn't really he couldn't palm the ball verywell because he had kind of arthritic fingers. So he only dunk the ballholding over two hands. So he was never never a threat like that. But he becamea three point threat. Don nelson had him shooting up three. Yeah, it's crazy.I mean I remember him very well. I remember him very well and I couldn'timagine like he was skinny in the NBA. I couldn't imagine that 17 I was skinnyhe would have been I had to add £50 to. Yeah and and he everywhere he went,everybody loved him, he played at the University of Bridgeport for a year andeverybody loved him. Chris mullen's brother played with him and Bridgeport.And then when I when I met him he was playing with the Sixers with Charles,Barkley and Ricky Mahorn and they would they would attack and they would throwthem on the ground foot seven, they would take all this tape and they makethem like a mummy you know they take their he'd be swearing him in Arabicand uh he was quite a good you know. Oh I can imagine you know and I thinkthat's what's great about what you're doing is that when you take time andyou write a book about somebody, you get to know all these incredibledetails about people. And it lets you people like you bring them really tolife with us, right? Because we know Manu Bull is this guy, like you said,blocked shots in the N. B. A. But your books tell us a great story about themand and and it brings them to life for all of us. So I thank you for doing allthat. I mean, I mean, you've written an amazing amount of books on on someathletes. So what was your most intriguing one that you've done to you?I don't know that probably, I mean, Ted Williams, he did a book on Ted Williamsand he was kind of kind of boyhood idly and he was well he didn't really liketo talk to reporters and people did he? It's normal, uh, playing, He was fine. Uh, and hewas a guy and he kind of boom things out.Everybody said he resembled john wayne. You know, he was like, I can win. Anduh, he, he was perfectly, He eats four better than any man in the tree ofswear and he colorful and he was great. Yeah. Well I, I learned my first squareword for my dad and I was like six. So I understand that what that means. Yeah,but together in unique, you know, he wasn't just, and when he said, when hesaid God, He meant Goddammit. I mean, he was calling on God to Damn whateverit was he was, he was a little paprika. He, he was spreading on the night hewas eight. He had big loves and big hates. And uh, he was just a big guy.Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. So when you wrote about evil can eval,did he let you get on one of his bikes and do a jump? No. If it was he wasgone. When I, when I wrote about him, he was gone already. Yeah. Yeah. So didyou get to talk to his son? I talked to us. I talked to all these guys he hungaround with and he was kind of, he was not the world's greatest person, youknow, I mean Really? Yeah. No, I mean he he made it. He borrowed a lot of moneythat he never paid back and he wound up with other guys, wives. And he was mygosh, he was, it was a kind of con man kind of guy. He wasn't a real good guy.But he had that one thing. I mean he...

...had, he had testicles the size of theAppalachian mountains, you know, that's great and he didn't, I mean the guysthat do it now, they figured out all the geometry of how you're supposed todo it when you should take off and when you shouldn't take off, he just didn't,but, But I don't know by the seat of his pants, you know, he would say I'mgoing to jump these 23 cars and I should kind of get Get the motorcycleup to 85 or 90 mph right about here and he would do it and sometimes he wouldbe short and he would crash and so the next time he would say, well I got toget it up to 95 mph. He would be long and he would crash. You know, I mean hewas just a a total seat of the pants guy. Yeah, I think I would break onebone like crash one time, break a bone and be like, yeah, I don't really wantto do this. How many bones did he break? He broke? You know he oh he always ofcourse said he broke every bone in his body and right, I mean that thatcaesar's palace crash, you everybody's seen that you know, lipson goes overand over, he just that was the foundation for all his success. Youknow that he could go on, go on mike Douglas or johnny Carson show that realand and just say, yeah, I broke every bone in my body and uh you should comeout to the fairgrounds on saturday night, it watch me destroy myself. Yeah,I mean and and a wide world of sports, you know, it was a different time backthen. Everybody watch. Wide world of sports and and he became a big playeron wide world of sports. He he he brought in, he brought in great numbersfor them. Oh, I mean my wild world sports memory is the winter olympics.The guy going down the ski ramp and like falling off the side and crashinglike that was always what they played because they knew that was going to getpeople to watch. Yeah. Even even was swallowing off the side all the time.All the time. So tell us about your new book, New book. It's called tall men,short shorts and it's about the 1969 NBA finals. It's uh the Lakers and theCeltics. Um it was the last time that Russell played against chamberlain. Umjerry West and uh and Elgin Baylor played for the Lakers, john Havlicekplayed for the Celtics. Um, And I was 25 years old. I was just starting outand uh, I am through through a number of circumstances. I wound up coveringthe whole seven games. I covered the Celtics from the whole playoffs. I hadnever been To California. I had never seen a palm tree, I've never seen thePacific Ocean, I've never seen anything. And I was dealing with Bill Russell whowas 10 years older than me and from famous and he was the coach, he was thecoach. Um, and the and the star player in the boston globe. My paper had hiredhim to also do a column after every game. Yeah. And he had nobody else. Imean you see the NBA now and you look at those guys, they all wear, they'reall wearing those little zipper zipper, Good things now, you know, at the games.All the close up in the assistance, They look like the mormon Tabernacle,the mormon Tabernacle nickel choir there. So where is he? He was the coachand the star and there was nobody else, the trainer kind of kind of made allthe reservations and stuff and wrap the ankles and that was it. I mean that wasthe whole whole operation and, and I'm kind of join joining the fun here and,and in that, in that series television in boston only two of the seven gamesor on television. That's it. That's...

...amazing. Yeah. I mean they had theconcept then of blacking out home games and so in Los Angeles only, only threeof the games were on television. Um, and I hate when they do that. Yeah. AndI mean they said it ruins the gate. It was, it was a faulty idea, But the ideathat there was no, there was no television and the games were startingat 11 o'clock in Los Angeles Eastern time. And you know, you only could hearhear the game on radio guy johnny most, he had a scratchy voice and he'd say,here we are was in this forum in Venezuela And he gave one account and Igave another account. I mean, you weren't getting a lot of information.We were the ones who were telling the whole story. I'm 25 years old and I'venever seen a palm tree before. And, and uh, you know, I mean when Bill Russellhad been playing, I was in junior high school when they were playing for theCeltics. So, uh, it was an experience. So it's about all the games and wentseven games and the Celtics won in the seventh game. They were the bigunderdog and they won the seventh game. Uh There was strange Mississippi endwill took himself out with a knee injury and then wanted to come back inand coach dove on Brenda cough he wouldn't put him back in. And and theCeltics won and in seven games and they had a big a big celebration plan forthe forum. They had all these balloons up on the ceiling and they had a ready.They had the U. S. C. Band was there, oh my God gonna play happy days arehere again. They were marching on the court and uh they had a big victorycake. They had you know 55 cases of champagne in the locker room. And theCeltics put a damper on the whole thing. And red are backed was just screaminguh He was the general manager and he was screaming, what about the balloons?What are they going to do about where's our champagne? They might still bethere. Yeah, Yeah. That's funny. That's that's incredible. So why so long towrite this story? Well, You know, I was 25 then. Now I'm 77 years old, I'm 100you know, and you get to that age and you start telling stories and yourealized everybody else in your story is not with us anymore. You know, Imean you said, you know, you start talking about, I was there with GeorgeWashington when he got the wooden teeth and uh say, wait a minute. Nobody elsewas there with George Washington. Got the wooden teeth. So it it's a whole,it's a tale of a whole other era. You know, really? Um, that whole thingabout no television and and being a sportswriter was different. I meanthey're only there are only like three guys covering the Celtics out on thewest coast. And you know, you would just go talk with guys, you go theirrooms and talk with them and you hang out hear that. Well. Yeah, 100 people withmicrophones standing around a big uh huh advertisements just to be uh huh.And it looks anymore. Nobody, nobody reallytells a story about, about growing up and into paper and their fifth gradeteacher. So you know what you do on the what do you think? But but you werealso what the people had to, you know likeif the subjects were out of town you were what they had to read and you werethe one who explained the whole game. I mean I get that like that. That waswhat it was when we were when we were a kid, we had we, you know, we had toread the paper, That's it, Yeah, yeah, well, you know, who was the bigsportswriter in Pittsburgh when you were a kid? Oh gosh, I couldn't tellyou, I just remember we had the Leader Times, that was it, I read The leadertimes all the time. No, I was a little...

...town outside of Pittsburgh, my town isonly about 5000 people, I was just right outside of Pittsburgh was justright outside of Pittsburgh, but yeah, you know, I appreciate it. Um so howcan people, how can our fans get your book? I don't know, they know right now theamazon, you know what I mean, like half the books in the world, hold on, amazonnow, you know, and you can, you can order in advance and uh it to you andthen it's going to be on, you know, Hopefully it's going to be everybody'sbookstore. Uh July 13. Some awesome. So tell us again lee what the name of yourbook is. Um Tall men, short shorts. It's a it's a story about Russell uhLakers and the Celtics and the Lakers, Russell and West and and one uh veryyoung sportswriter. Right? That's awesome. That's awesome. Well lee, Iappreciate you joining us and taking the half hour out of your day andsharing all your stories. So everyone, you can check out Leigh Montville andall his books that he's written in his newest book, Tall man, short, short. Uhjust some incredible stories. And lee I liken it to when my grant, my daughterwent up to her great grandpa and asked him about World War Two and video, thewhole thing so that we always have it. It's a story unless it's written downor video will never know about it. So, thank you. Thank you. All right. Thankslee everyone. Take care. Thank you for joining us on huddle up with Gus and Ilook forward to next week. Thank you very much. Take care. Have a great day.Huddle up with Gusts is brought to you by Vegas. Sports advantage, clients ofVegas sports advantage are winning big in 2021 you can be a part of thewinning two. As of june 1st $100 bettors are up $3700.500 dollars.Bettors are up $18,500.1000 dollars. Bettors are up $37,000.5000 dollars.Bettors are up $185,000. Become inclined today by clicking the link inthe description below and use promo code. Huddle up To take 25% off yourpackage today, thanks to our partnership, and that's a wrap sports fan. Thanksfor joining in the fun at the 16 31 digital studios for another to huddleup with GUS, featuring 15 year NFL quarterback. Gus, Ferrand, huddle upwith GUS is proudly produced by 16 31 digital media and is available on Applemusic.

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