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Herschel Walker

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The greatest collegiate running back of all-time joins the Huddle this week as Gus gets to talk to Collegiate Hall of Fame inductee Herschel Walker. Walker talks about growing from an overweight bullied kid, into the legend that he is today. Listen to them discuss his upbringing all the way to his legendary days at Georgia. They discuss how his parents taught him to always finish what he had started, which led to him having great success in life. Not only did Herschel succeed as a running back, he also competed at the Olympics as a bobsledder in 1992 and won two matches in MMA while approaching the age of 50. Of course, you probably knew all that about our guest. What you might not know is why Walker did all of those things or what he has lived by to get to where he is today. Join the Huddle and listen to one of our biggest guests yet by listening to this week's podcast! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey everyone, we appreciate you joining us in the huddle. I'm your host, fifteen year NFL quarterback gusts front, alongside my longtime friend and Co host Dave Hagar, where we talked to guests about how sports shape their life. Be sure to check us out on our website. How up with Gustscom, where you can listen to more episodes just like this. Now let's join the huddle. Hey everyone, welcome another episode of Huddle off with Gust I'm your host, dust broad finteen, your at AFL quarterback, and I'm usually joined by my cohost Dave Hagar, but Dave is not here. You got a new job and and we wish him all the best with that. But today we have an amazing guest and I'm really excited to talk with this guests because we actually played for the same team. He was a little bit before me, but you know this guy. I don't even know how much I need to say. If I say his name, you're going to know everything about him. He's a heisman trophy winner, College Hall of fame. You know he's just done it. Always a Bob's letter mix martial arts. He supports the veterans just does a numerous things. He was a he was a track star and just an amazing NFL player. Hershall, walkers joining us today. Hertel, thanks for joining in the hot now. I appreciate you coming. Man, it's a pleasure to talk to you. I mean when I was growing up, you know, kind of the late S, that's when you were kind of hitting your stride and you know, I graduated high school eighty nine and I get go to college and, you know, to Tulsa through that time and I followed your career and I never thought I was going to play in the NFL and just did. It worked out for me, but you had a whole different path. So tell me about the first time in your life. Do you remember where sports became a big part of your life and what's that first? Man, you fell in love with things, because I fell in love with a coach. I don't know whether it was a sports itself. You know, I was overweight as a letter kid growing up and I used to have a speech impediment where I used to be bullied. I was bullet a great deal and and a lot of kids used to, you know, pick on me, and no one ever gave me the time of day and I had two little brothers that was very good athletes and stuff. And I had his coach by the name of Tom Jordan, and he was a trick coach, and also I coached the linebarkers and football in high school football. And and all of sudden, as he was looking at me one day, he figured it. This kid got to have something. You know, he got too little brothers done great athlete, so he's got to have something. And you know, kids are picking on me and all this in this coach use come pick me up at the church on Suns and he would take me out to the track and sometime we say that in the stadium. You have just talked to me. And every now and then we'll go. I don't work out and I call myself working out. I don't know what I was doing. And and he took the time out to make me feel good about Hershel Walker to the town out to made me feel, you were, good about myself, because for a long time I didn't, I didn't feel good about me. You know, I never spoke in a classroom, I never said anything, but that coach made me feel good about myself and so I believed in him and and I started getting better at different things. He should tell me that, her shall, you can do it, and because he told me I can do it, I knew I can do it. You know, if he said I can do it, I knew I can do it. And and it wasn't that I was thought I was trying to be an athlete. I was just trying to please him thank him for everything he did for me. And what was weird? I remember it may have been my freshman year in high school. I was a bike up. I was a start in full by, but I was a bike up tab by and you know, the full bright now going to get that many carriage he now right here, right, yeah, there's a trap coming your way every now and then to well, I'm not the great as. I can do it, but I'm not put all the time. And it was strange because we went into a sit in Augusta Georgia, and I still can remember this, and this is years ago, and the starting tell by. I got her and that coach coach and went to the head coach say y'all, the precursor bright then coach of her shall Irhearshal. I know this stuff. And he said, coach, I can tell you right now he knows what he's going to do. Well, I still remember that game against a Quinas. Team was called a Quin as. I had about nineteen carriage, about two hundred eighty or something, y'alls, and I believe in the coach. I didn't believe that I can do it, but he said I knew you can do it her she cause you've been working. So a lot of people don't work the way you were and it was weird about that. The next game and move me back to full bike. Move in by to tell back and I played full by the rest of the year. But I realize at that time as long as you were you're going to be okay. People think it just happens and I tell people all the time nothing just happens. You have to get out of work. Everyone want to everyone want to golden ring, but nobody want to work to get it. And you know this. And for everybody want to win the Super Brain teams that win the Super Bowl worked the tail off from the beginning it. They don't just go out there and also they get luck and when the Super Bowl that doesn't happen. So I realized then, not that I want an athlete, but I will work at everything I go out to do. Doesn't matter what it is, I'm going to work at it. That's the reason I'm so stupid now.

Did I just work at whatever I'm doing and not that I'm successful? I didn't make sure that I want to be able to compete. Yeah, and sometimes when you compete, no matter what you do. I had a gentleman he got through to me on Messenger on facebook and he asked me. He says, he guess, what should I do? I want to start this new thing, but I'm really scared and I said look, if you put your heart and soul into it and you work hard at it every day, good things are going to happen. They might not be right away, but if you just stay hard nosed and just, you know, just keep pounding away at it, something that good is going to happen. So when you were young, you know you talked about this work ethic. Did you have some of that good support at home? Because we all need a great coach, but you also need to go hold your ideas like two parents. And you know I had a bunch of brothers and sisters. I had three brothers and three sisters. But and one thing that was very interesting that happened to me, and and this is weird, because my parents worked all their life. You know, and I told you, my mom and daddy worked all that life where they were used to come on from work and no matter what the kids were doing outside, my parents are take the time to go out and play with us. They take the time to go out and play with us. And something happened to me, and this is on one of my military trip. But well, what was weird is about my mom. Is She's going to be eighted for coming up this brother about five years ago. She's read at seven to nine, where my mom at seven to nine. Cause we go to my mom's house today, my nephews and NIECEA got bigger, so it's like going to the Olympic. Got To be in the shape and Freddy. Well, we were out there and they started getting a basketball game together. My mom was sitting out there and my mom said, you know, I want to play. She's seven to nine, and I'm thinking, wait a minutem, not gonna pick my mom because she she can't place, can't guard nobody. He's gory to play with. You guys. I went my mom and stuff, so nobody picked it. And what was weird I would want one of my military trips and I was talking and stuff and it hit me. What hit me, and something you just said, is that how much work did you do? What did it come from? And as a wait a minute, my mom was seventy nine years old and she still wanted to play with me and when I was a little bored, every day they came home, they took the time out to go and play with us. Seven to nine. Want to play with me and I said no, because I'm want the week. Now it's what I apologize to my mouth years, but I was about that mom. I thank you, I thank you and dad for giving me that. Work at it. I thank you guys for giving me that and I said I'm so sorry and I said that's where it comes from. As my parents, because they say you got a grind. You know what I'll talk about sometimes you got a grind. And I tell my son this as a Christian, if you want something in life, you got to get up earlyer to go get it and if you're a part is getting up at five o'clock, you got to get up at full. He gets up at full. You get up at three, he get up at three. You get up at too, he get up at too. Don't go to sleep because if, and I'm saying it's okay, if you don't know, if you don't want, it's okay, you don't have to work for but with what you want, you got to work and get it go. People not going to give it to you. And if you give it to you, you know you don't deserve it. You gotta work. Hide a hun and that's why I got it from from my parents. Now I hear, you know, my dad was the same way. He, you know, he was a mill guy here in Pittsburgh and and you know, he would come home from work after working two shifts or whatever, and and we always threw ball into that baseball, football, whatever it was. You know, we didn't have much, we didn't have anything, and you know, if I lost a baseball in the woods, he said, we're not gonna get you get into you find it, you know you'll find it. Until yeah, you know what I said. Learned how to do you got to learn how to be accurate when you only got one ball. But that's how it was. You know, and you had a good support system. And and then you know, when you grew up in your neighborhood? You know you have brothers and sisters, but did you have a lot of friends where you could go out and you had to pick up? You tell people. I know I grew up in the country. I'll tell people. People one day asked me that hers have to be played. Didn't don't ditch it. I don't know if you know that is. That's the ring the knitting and they will do it. Be On your running and I started laughing. There's where you laughing at. As A, my name is or neighbor Pober, five miles away. So if I had to ring that doorby at all, have been running a long way. And I said no, I enough to have a big family that you know, we play together. You know, even today I tell people, I said, guys, when you go right in my mom's house, obviously he's been very fortunate now that she owned a lot of property and we have a lot of guest houses on the property that a lot of the family stays there. So it's like a she still she's still in Georgia. Going back to the Olympus, a whole family's there and we play all together. Like if some of the nephews and nice got a date, you don't go to the movement, you don't go...

...to dinner, you right there house with your family. Hey, it's bad. That's got to be intimidating for that day. See the love. They see the love. And I said that's what I yeah, that always had. Is the love. You know, my mom has a minister. I have three sisters as ministers. I got some brother all that minister and and so you go. I grew up with your is love. You know, I don't know anything else. And I say, you go out and you try your horrors all the time. You know, in the classroom, you know, I knew if I don't do what was right, I'm going to get a spank. And not that a advocating spank as and stuff, but I knew if I don't do what was right, yeah, when I was at universal Georgia, yeah, I knew I've bet anough step out of line because my parents was only two and a half hours away. If course do that, called them up. I guarantee they was a new tail hearsal is, stay right there, we'll be right up there. As I'm Glo what was and I think that's what helped me out so much. 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But it really support them by saying, Hey, we know what kids do and we understand that you have friends and his peer pressure and we're not always going to be there with you, but just so you know, you can always call us. We'll always be there and then we're going to work through problems. So don't be afraid to talk to us and when you know, it sounds like you had that great supports able to talk to my parents and able to talk to my other brothers and sisters, and you know, and what was so fun about it is is you know, we may joke with each other, sort of like on a football team, and I tell people this, eyes and you may fight among each other, but no one else better not come in there want to fight with you. You could buy them are each other. Yeah, but that opposing team you've been not coming or somebody else come in, because I and I remember, and I won't even name this quarterback in the NFL. That was a quarterback in the NFL. I'll watching a game on Monday night, Monday, and I watched he and a kicker on a sideline organ and all of a sudden, as they were arguing, they start cornering the finger at each other and all of a sudden the quarterback stop and walk away and I said, man, I lost respect for that guy. Da and Pisa, what are you talking about? US? Because he's my leader and I'm not asking him to put the kick it down not like that's so, but he's the leader, so whatever he says go. But I said because he walked away. He should have said let's handle this behind the scene. But I said I gained respect for him because I saw him do something else. I saw a tighty and I was playing with make a mistake and kept making these mistake and he grabbed them in the chest and throw them off the field and I said, now that's my leader there, because side you got to do what's right. Yeah, I said, guys, sometimes being a leader is a tough, tough position, because you got to do what's right. I'm sorry tell you, you don't represent yourself, you don't represent one person, you represent the team. And I said, everybody not agree with you, and I said he but you're my leader, so I'm going to follow you, I'm going to do what you tell me to do, because you're my leader. And that's what I learned, because my mom and my dad and my leader, they taught me the right things to do and I'm supposed to now take what they taught me and teach it to someone else. And you know, you said, you know, some kids don't get this, and I said, well, they should, because I should be responsible for giving us. To sum up, and I even tell Christian that, as a Christian, you know, I want to teach you this, but if I see his friends, that's all I'm gonna tell him. They may not like it. I'm not rank them. Be Go nine. Can't spank you, but I'm going to tell you right, do that. That's nothing. And now I said give a kid positive reinforcement. Mean they don't just come down on give him some positive things. The reason why not to do it? Because, I say, you won't kids that think that they can conquer the world, because they can. But if you're all putting them down, putting them down, putting it out, yes, what they're going to feel as you give them positive reinforcement. That's to yeah, I think. I work with a doctor out of Connecticut and he's a company called winning profile, Dr Gary Russell, and he told me by the time a kid is two years old, they were no, twenty six thousand times. No, you...

...know, no, don't do that, no, put that down. You know, it's like, you know, and he says, you know, it's just our brains are kids brains are always growing and going until sixteen years old, until they really in. They're always forming and if you can, just like you said, it's so important, if you do positive reinforcement. Yeah, it's so much more powerful and giving that chance, I think for the got to do it, and you know, I think football players do it. I would tell us when I skuys. It is so interesting because, I said, when you play a sport you become involved with something that for moles, it's out of the reach of family. Like you're together, you sweat, you leave, you pride, you can do everything together your it's a bond that is like unmatchable. And I say, you know, some guys I play with long and I been around my brothers and sisters. That's what's so fun. I tell you someone I've been closer to, closer to them, and I'll be my brother and sister, because I've been with him all the time. And I said it's sad, like I saw my housekeeper. I pay her along and I bear my mom and you thought thinking about that, you go wild. It's kind of interesting. It's kind of interesting, but you know, but they also the same thing as I didn't. You know, you learned something very different. You know, you from your mom. You're always like for me and your parents are always like, well, it's my parents, you know what I mean. But this person that you're kind of just with and you're an equal to, your parents are always for me, are always above you. You know what I mean. You're always learning, they're always always trying to help. So when you went to high school, then I'm assuming if you lived out in the country, like you said you did. I'm assuming you're no, your high school has a very big I had one of the largest classes to graduate. I had a hundred fourteen kids graduate. That was eight hundred forty four kids in my high school and that's eight to twelve. And so I had a hundred forty four kids to graduate. And this is what's so funny. Is Is I was a valuatory my class and in it was strange. We caused people are how are you valuved or in my class? I said because we grew up in the country, I can at least write my name. You know, they could even spect. I'm joking, but it's fun because I don't think I was smarter than anyone else, but I know how to work. I remember went out you, I grew up in I didn't go out in day. You know, I don't go to know prom, go to the prom. I got the shot wounds. We can't got time going a prom. I had to work and I didn't mind. I was okay with that. So were you got? So when you say you had to work, where you we guys a little farm. Did you have a farm? Annoyed everything about farming and or everything about that. And so we one of those guys that had to get up and crack it down to feed the animals and a lot of stuff. was another guy from but I knew how to plant everything and we had a couple of halds when I was little. He did a couple of holes. I know out it. I had to get up early on with them. But then we never had any cattle. We had horses. So I had a couple of horses and I'm that's how I know how to ride and do all that stuff and groping, all that crazy stuff. But I grew up in like that. We had to get up early no matter what, because you'll get up early you had to go out and I had a chat would before I left to go to school and make sure that was would there. Then I would go to school and and if I had to play sports, had to come back home and maybe chop more wood and stuff, and we had Charles around the House that I had to the I am have to wash dishes. Y'All think when washing dishes, why do I need to watch this es? So that one reason I started playing football because I thought we were going to get me out of watching did let me start playing football and they're getting out of watching dishes, and that was a big mistake. They saved the dishes for you. Yeah, gotta my mom say all of it. If you start something, you got to finish it. So I started a football all too stupid now, O, man, I still gotta Watch dishes. I might a wall to drop out of football where I started it and I got to finish it. So there's a finished players. Yeah, so then when you would have a game, or say Friday night for you guys at school, I guess, the whole your whole family, would you show up for every game? Five me the game. That's the whole town or Rightsville, Georgia. Five album people at the game and it will pack standing room owner and stuff. And I did. It was a sighted it was that side of so let me ask you this like can I always think back to my high school days too, and we had pack games and pistor and just something about Friday Night Lights. You know what I mean? Like, even though you played college, you played in the biggest games. You want a national championship, you done all that in the NFL, but something about Riding Night Lights, man, is just diffrold town. It's like it's camaraderie in the town because, you know, we live in this little area and I don't know if you ever heard of a litter are called Swat and now I'll swains world us, Barry Young, but Sanders Ville Jorda one time, Sanders Beville, Georgia, and more guys in the NFL,...

...the ind and one in the leagues of that. They were closed by and we had a little time called swains world and wickers and counting Cochran and they put a couple of guys in college and all that. So they Friday night everything close down and it was like it get it on. Hey listeners, thanks for joining David I in the huddle. We invite you to join our excusive huddle through Patreon, where you can get access to content made just for VIPs like yourself, head to our website, huddle up with gustcom and hit support our podcast on the pop up ad once again. That's huddle up with gustcom. Now let's get back in the huddle. Oh yeah, those are the good old dings man riding a bus to a game and you and your buddies. You know what I mean. It was just something, something different about that. You didn't know it now. You didn't dream. This is honest you. I never dream to play in college. I played dream like many with my players here. You know, we having a good time when win a football games, and that's what you know. That was my biggest dream. I never dream that. I ever. Know, how can you dream to go to college? And that's too big, that's too much to think about, that's too far out there. So that was kind of walk. Yeah, we didn't even have you know, we didn't even know about that stuff until you got like a letter in the mail. Right now, every kids seeing it when they're in eighth grade. It's like these, you know, they can see all the social media and everything that's going on. I think it's insane that all the pressure we put on kids for doing all that, because I'm sure like me, you probably played multiple sport. Basketball Player, I ran track, I played baseball, I did every sport you can name. And you know, I was decent and now decent. Had A bunch of them and it was fun. I got scholarships and three now I got Scott in basketball. Try to field and and football. And what was fun? As I got I got scholarship to North Calina and basketball and people say you do it? I said, yeah, I got I was too who. But then as I was looking at myself in a mirror, I'm looking at her at that time I was five hundred and eleven, about two hundred and twelve pound, three and fifteen pounds, and I was a I was a starting forward in high school. Well, I'm thinking five of them football, basketball. Let's be honest, I don't have a bottle for basketball player. So we went to play football. But no, and and we'll get that a minute. But you know, I signed a track SCOPS here, but Georgia I just signd a scholarship. I ran to track. Really Yeah, I used to love to run. Would you roubles your what was your would you run? The Guy was a sprinter? Your hundred meter and and I tell people, people, you'd always ask them, cose, you you too big to run, and I was. I not read at any Bible. We have a say that sometime sometimes unite and stupid. God Take Care of you, becose. I never read at you too big to run. I know read you can't run fair. Yea. All I know is you just run because all you had. Do you? Do you think that that running track really made you faster, like I think that? I told kids all time like they just want to do football. I'm like, no, go to track in the in the spring, if you do nothing else, it's going to help you increase your speed. So you can do don't you through football? Do you know? Try. Ye, priest, not speak. I'll tell people there's a big different trite speed and football speed and peeps of what are you talking about? US guys? It just different. I say, it is a totally different and it is. Were shocked that I can run as fast as I can run. I was a guys guys. I had to run a guy that was smaller it and they used to talk a lot of trash. You know, I used to get good of it a little Bart people talking trusting me. I'm like shoot, be like Muhammad Ali. I'm great to shoe, I can run with you. So I ran some of the fast guys in the world, beat a ton of them and I said, because I can run to I don't size don't matter. And I tell people that's the same thing it stepping into the octagon, stepping into the ring and all that stuff. I like because you've been doing it long and I have that. I mean, you supposed to win right, exactly, exactly. You know, it's funny. I coach Ezeki Elliott in high school and yeah, and Zeke Zek was a Hurdler, you know, he ran a short her along, hurls. I mean he did it all. And you know he'd leave football practice and go and train for for for track, and he was just his speed was uncanny on a football field just because of that. And he also was a hundred meter guy to but you know, he did it all and he would say hey, coach, can I go train? I'm like Ka, man, go train, do what you got to do them. You know, as long I never let a kid, I never told a kid you can't go do something what I got to do it. Why do you always here every kid? You know they want at one time. Want to be Stephen Curry. I want to be Stephen Cure. I only said in curry. I said, okay, if you want to be Stephen Curry. Have you seen videos of Stephen Curry shooting the basketball at three as a h just he came out of his mom wound aby to play in the NBA? That kid been practicing forever.

Good. You want to practice. Yet practice. You gotta work. And then I know people half at your all they work out. Said I do as the guys I didn't do to work out. I'm not trying to impress it in one of my workout my thing is is my high school coach told me that Hersha. What you got to do is you got to think about wickers and count, meaning those guys over there are practicing because they want to beat you. So you got to work hard. You got to do a little bit more push up. We didn't have the weight program you got to do a lot more pushing. Maybe do fifty yell goose their bitch pressing like two hundred, twenty five pounds worse. You need to do. You need to do a thousand more push ups over there. Oh there, they're over there hursh they can squat. They can squat at that time in high school, they spot three hundred pounds. When you need to do you need to do problem maybe, maybe about twozero sit ups, and I said that's what I was thinking. I said so like you, member, Mr t, and you got to beat rocky up and he was hem, the rocket was a champion. He's over there jumping wrote like Mary had a little lamb and he's kissing babies and they cut away to Mrs T. Miss t is sweating and hitting the flag and stuff, and I see, guys, that's the way it is in life and the competition. You think that you the talk doll. Yeah, but that's someone that to show up one day, that's been priticed, you've been training and you got to be ready. Let me let me ask you question about last one about high school. Here is when I coached Ezekiel, and I also could for your luke on, who plays for the Falcons, to you know when I coached us too. I said Look, guys, I'm going to be harder on you to anybody else. When his team we only had twenty eight kids. We they were a small school in St Louis and I said because they all look up to you. They're going to follow you more than follow me. Did you have? Did your coach would ever talk to you like that? Say Hersha, I'm going to I'M gonna buy my work. For All I know, he doll me bad their horse. I know you can do it. He's, I know you can do and he said everyone want to quit sometime. Everybody want to take short cut, that short cut, and right, right, mind, you take it day, you're tag it tomorrow. And he said that ain't life. I think that life is not taking the short cut. Life is getting up, you know, he said, think about your farm. I bad got up early every morning with the works he did at swingshift sometime, meaning he'd sometimes work all night. It's and he come home. Is I think about him and what he mean. You are here, goof and all and they know I'm going to say you got to be a great coach. Are you coach some good people and you put them in the NFL and you put a good mindset, because everything. I think that the difference between a great athlete and a good athlete. It's so little. I'm said, Oh yeah, want to pay that price. And for the long term, how much. Guess then you got in your team because you got to do it every day, not yesterday. You gotta do it every day, every day, and it becomes a grin. It does become a grind. And then you think about the guys that go into the military and how they break them down when they go in for basic training. My Wife's little brother, he was an army ranger. We've had military in our family forever and you know, you hear the stories about basic training and how it broke him down and I always think about that through two days and everything that we've always gone through is, you know, that's how we build up. You break him down, you build them back up and and we're going to find out who has the gas and to thank, you know, helping it throere we want to go. That's a price to be pay. You can't just go out and just think you gonna happen. They don't just happen. There's no big explosion that, oh Geez, I great it, let's go hell. So then, was it always going to be Georgia? And Georgia was so far off my list because at first, you know, I was headed to the military, you know, even though I gotchlarships. I could then because scholarship that's came. Can you believe? I got I could do in the scholarship to go to college and I was getting all these athletics scholarship to go to college and I wouldn't want to go. I want to go into the military because I I'm one of these good guys that love America. I just think that people sacrifice so much and you know, I owe so much to my coach, so much to my parents, so much in my family, and I just thought the military was a place for me to bed. I wanted to be a marine and I could tell my mom and dad at that time, because you don't valuatory in my class and I'm great student, doing well in sports and stuff, that mom, Dad, I really want to go to college. You know, my sister just went in college head went to the University Georgian on a track scholarship and and I could just tell him that and you'll sign a day for college athlete. was like February. Well, February, I didn't say that, I didn't sign, I said anything. I just thought that if I just let it go yet let me go to the military. And I remember Easter Sun. My nickname is bolt and I...

...told you my mom is menaced. and My mom came in and she said you know both, don't you think? It's time for you to decide where you want to go to school. And before I can say you know, mom, Dad, I want to go to the military, she's a but let me tell you this. She said your mind, in your heart, is pure of the Lord Jesus. You really don't matter about your decision. Going to God and make it right for you. Yeah, I'm a same to you, O kid. I'm aout he you, O kid, like okay, mom, I fill for corner. So that's I end up going to universe of Georgia. Flip the corn to decide to go to military, go to college. It came with me to go to college. Then I flip between three schools, where stood to go to and the honest true, it came up Georgia. And then, and know this what really free down people. That gonna line, but you can ask my family, I end up pulling the names out of a bag. I pulled George all three times and want to Goorda, going to Jordan. US. I didn't even mean it at that time. I was a urs to tell my parents out, joking out, really plea my younger brother. They called up everyone is that he's decided he's going to come to Georgie's coming to Jordan. Everyone showed him at my home, that reporters in the TV camps and all this. I was too embarrassed and God, I'm just joking to the military and I was right. I wouldn't really totally keyed in on me, but you're almost seen in a half something. You Kid. I've got you. I want to do what I want to do, but, Yo, my mom said something else, that sometime when you naive and stupid and you love the Lord Jesus, he'll take care of you. And I say God's be taking care of because that was a right decision I could have ever made in my life, because he's done so many great, great things for me. Hey, hoddle up fans, this is producer Logan Carney. We thank you for listening to another great episode. If you want to hear more about how sports can change somebody's life, be sure to check out my novel our seats and left field, on Amazon. Our seats and left field is about Andy Smith, a sixteen year old kid who grows up a big pirates fan with his dad. Right before the pirates two thousand and thirteen magical season, he loses his dad to cancer. Read all about how Andy overcomes his depression while the pirates find a way to win. That's our seats and left field on Amazon. You can buy it right now. Now let's get back in the huddle. Oh Yeah, what a great decision. I mean even if you to win to the military, but in the way I look at it, it's all come full circuit for you because you did everything now that you can help and support a lot of veterans in the military. That I mean so much. I started to put them called patron support about twelve little but twelve years ago and I got to think, uhs out of King of pressure Pennsylvania, you know. They they've helped to give me for that Behavior Health Hospital and mental health. I try to move get my mental health and I'm at a base almost every three weeks talking about that, Stigimon, because people don't know, after football, after the NFAL, I develop a angle problem. I don't know what really was going on. I'm thinking, what the world is going on? The host of Walker, you know guys. I never dreamk, I never tasted alcohol, never had a beer, never taking a drug, don't even taking medicine. And I'm trying to figure out why do I have an angle problem and know everyone else is wrong except me? And I found out how diagnoses having DD to social identity disorder and like, what the crap is that right there? And I wrote a book about it, about the social identity disorder in the book did so well and I end up investing in Behavior Health Hospital. But what was fine is I went to a hospital myself. Take because I didn't believe it. Yeah, because it supposed to be a mental problem. You know, person with a mental problem got their Munster. You know, you Hebe got to be a munster. That was some right. It's crazy guy. Well, or their week or they you know, they got to ask for help, and you know we don't do that, you n now? And I went to a hospital to have the professional to help me. They help me to see the like and I got out of that hospital in my life opened up even bigger and brighter. And you know, sometimes you consider week and that's when I got into the M and maybe and beating up everybody and built companies as well and stuff, and that's why really was able to go to the military and try to help them remove that stigma and tell him that you, guys, you're you're the true hero. You're the Superman, the Batman that the hurt, the hulk that think about, because the sacrifice so much and you do so much for this country, the greatest country in the world, and there's no shame. As for help, don't think that you're all alone, and that's sometimes what we feel like, if that, when you suffering from some problem, that you're all by yourself, and I said no, you're not by yourself. Don't think that you're by yourself. And and I in over the last what, well, last year alone. We, I think we have over seven, seventy five...

...hundred military service man and women. Yeah, definitely, that's my love. I don't know what else I thank you to. Think my Lord Jesus Christ for all he's done from me, because that's what's so fun. I tell people something, if I tell you what God has done from me, people think online. If I tell you what I do during the day, people think I'm lying. There I don't even tell people. I think they's a whole you're not telling the truth. Like my companies, I have how I do this, this and I do that. You had I was fighting that. I step into the cage within a fight in the wall. I can hold my own crazy and I'm like no, right, that's the blessing that God is giving me. And so I got to thank you for bringing me this for and I you know, I'm from rights where Georgia. Yeah, I played football in college. I played football in the NFL for rights where Georgia. So I want all the little kids of listening to me to hear this. You can do it too. became all y'all. Do it. Be Willing to work. Yeah, play the price by doing the right thing, by going to choirs, by saying yes or no, sir, yes, ma'am, no man, by standing up, believing in yourself. If you can do it, you can do what I'm doing. I'm no about a special that's what so funny. I'm from rights where, Georgia. There's nothing in rights where Georgia but good people, and I well, I think that the University of Georgia would say there's definitely something special about you, because I think you went from a five. What do you say you were in high school. Yeah, five, five hundred and ten to like two hundred and twelve pounds and you came out of college at like sixty two, about twenty and stuff and called but this was this, but this was done really freak you out. People ask me when, out all all of the good football player, I think I thought I was a decent football player with Dan and white with the cowboys. Then you hear what I said. Decent. Ye Know, honol you know, somebody ask me when I was in college. I think I carry the ball like thirty something time. Oh, how do you feel as a that ball and heavy, and people said that's fun. I was going only not fun of him say saying that's my job. You know, I don't know right. If you gave me the ball fifth the time, that's my job and you know that's what we practice for. If I'm going to run this play, I don't know that you're not supposed to get it. If you both get a fifty, time I get a fifty. That sold up. My job is to carry the ball. Right. Well, that's my job. So I'm supposed to do my duty. And then I go back to college and I just told I said this is someone. Yesterday other day I said I am upset and I'm hurt. He said, what about? I said, because Hershall walk at the UNIVERSUS Georgia all American. I was all am I was all American running by for three years. Not One of my office alignment has been an all American. Not One. Now said, guys, I'm hurt because look at Guss this and I'm not just I'm not just trying to be humble. And Look at the film. When I played at Universal Georgia, you don't see me get hit in the bike field, not one time. You don't see in the great the abates that everybody talk about. You know this. That whole opens up as big you can drive a back short to you and I'm like, guys, right both the run I were going to terrible run it back. So I people guys high it. Well, can you give me praise? But the guys that was up from that, I never got hit in the bte for you a halliday ever got hit at a line of scrimmage. So that meant I got an opportunity to get to the second level. And if I can get to the second level and pass a second level on to a defensive by hey, yeah, it's over supposed to run. Yeah. Well, you know what? That reminds me of when when I was with the Vikings and Adrian Peterson was there, and you know he had an amazing year that year, and I said, what are you going to do for the Lineman? He said what you mean got to do for the Lineman? They get paid just like I get paid. I said no, I said they don't get any the accolades. They do all the work. You know, you got you got to, you got to take care of them. That's part of it, you know, because they're selfless. You know, they're fighting everything off. They're doing he goes, well, I'm doing my job. You don't it just me sitting down having that conversation with them. Is Is. That's just how it is like, you know, because he went in. I said you got to take care of the trainers and equipment guys, and he goes, why, they don't make money. I said, and they don't care for you all the time. Right, right, those guys aren't in the pro bowl. You're in the pro bowl. Right, that's not if it was only you, you wouldn't be in a pro bowl, because we loving guys knock you on your butt. It's a team. So he doesn't he understand? They have some guys right, they're like that. You know, and I heard this, they said, hearstal, if you're a Janral will be the best Janers. You can be beat the Best Janer...

...and you can be right, but you're not going to be paid that much. But then if you're the best general to that, you can be in. Somebody walk in as the big time guy. He sees this and command. That guy's in preble. I'm gonna get him something because I don't have to step over this trash that that maybe ran that because he cleans sho you make sure. So that's like that line, you know, so funny. He's giving up something and he's not making the money again to accolate, you get it, but he's making it easier for you and stuff. So what you are to do is slide him a piece of give him a piece of and I believe that right guy. That's a that's the same with a trainer, with an equipment manager, all those guys, the weight coach, I always took care of those guys. Got Him. You know, hey, what do you guys need? You know, what do you want? And then some kids came in didn't believe in that stuff and you just got to kind of have a conversation while with the why those things are important, because it's not. It's not just our fifty three guys on this team right, it's this home billy that's team makes you a champion. And I believe this with the Patriots as a guy the rights is not just good because of Tom Brady, because I hate to tell people said, oh, they always in the Super Bowl. I see have, but that was different players. So, yeah, the same players are they got different players? I mean that whole orbianization got that win and on the attitude I said. So it ain't just him. You know he's a part of it, but it's a lot more involved and just you, and I think a lot of people don't understand that. Start Your Day sunny side up at the Weston Bonaventure Hotel and sweets and enjoy breakfast for two on us. No matter how you plan to spend your trip to Los Angeles, start every day with a hearty meal to kick start your morning. Enjoy breakfast for two on US each day you stay for reservations. Be sure that Promo Code S for B appears in the Promo Code box when making your online reservation at Marriottcom. BACKSLASH LAX BW or call one eight hundred two to eight one thousand two hundred and ninety and asked for a promotional code S for B. So when you won the heisman trophy, did you go back to your Lineman and you say thanks? Fellas, you know what I mean, because I think that's a big thing. I think a lot of guys should doe. It goes not on my line and gotten into credit. I said I'm confused how to work and, as you I'm as you that could you know this? I work refors a Walker, being all American, but not as Lineman. Maybe no sense? Yeah, that's that's yes, I have makes no sense at all my line and I'm like, guys, that makes so say I had a couple to get drafted, but I'm like, you know that that is not fair. Well, I know if I was playing Harsha water on you guys, I was putting in the box right, blocking right. This was so funny at flight business. This is what was weird. In College, coach Duley used to give the defense our plays. They knew we were going to run the ball and he said why we concerned about it? That they got Leven, we got leaven. Put them in a box and there what you got to do if you got to get on your mail, and I think made us such a great team goes. It was third and fifteen and we were going to run or suite and nothing as that. We threw two passes in the game. They threw it to the referee when the game started. Throw it off a field in the game was over. There copassion. Yeah, we ran the ball because we rightness and we said no one is going to stop and he would give the defense all plays and we would go out and knocks on head all. But this one was interesting. You're the National Championship game in College. Gainst know the day, no to day had this great team on the breath w the prokeball and stuff. We beat him. But what was funny is I hadn't, I had never watched that game and I know I we warn it. Great one to championship. I never watched the game and I got MDP and stuff and and probably she maybe fifteen years. I shouldn't have fifteen years, and park about fifteen years later they had a reunion or something and I went to the reunion and they have to play. That happen to play this game and I was seeing them watching the game and I got embarrassed. I got embarrassing. This is no life. The game is what sixty minutes. Our offense is on the field for ten minutes. The defense play the whole game. It defense and I apologize to the defense. Fifteen years later, I would like, man, I thought I would like the bigheaded dude that when I did something great, our Defense Stop Notre Dame everywhere during time it was up, it was they would stop Notre Dame and I went Whoa, I would like you can't, I cannot believe that. I'm like, guys, y'all should have got every praise in the world. If people go by and look at the nineteen eighty Georgia Notre Dame game, you will see I would defense on the game, on the field of fifteen minutes and I'm like what, wow, so that means you had to score a line, just...

...a game. Yeah, I'm like, the defense down, not the dame. Who had not the dame? End Up putting on I don't know how many guys in pro ball from that team. But I send thinking, Gosh, you got the kidding lunt, that our defense play like that and they gave me MVP. I'm like wait a minute. So that just goes to show you sometimes that your name carries you, even not looking at the true situation. Yeah, because when I look at the game, there was a guy by the name of frank walls on that defensive line, was Middle Linebacker, Eddie Weaver, who wasn't nose guy, a Scott Warner was a defensive back. The way they playing, I'm like, guys, they could have won MVP because they stopped this defense over that flute. The offense of incredible. They stopped my Mary play right. So then you have this incredible college career and then after three years, you're deciding to go and go into the pros. What made you kind of make that transition, that decision, saying I'm going to go and now I'm going to go work and I'm going to earn a paycheck and all those no, non of that might said her. What was coming now? Desn't leave you, Donald Trump, us a fail was coming around. I was sitting in my place and in Athens, Georgia, and I will like the USFAIL or the NFL. No, US a fail to college, so that that time on a classic we're not even able to go to the NFL in this say so I said us, the fail, to stay here in college. And I remember my mom say, if your mind and heart of pyodolord Jesus, no matter what decision you make it and make it rightful. And I flipped the corner and it came up to me to go to the US a fail, and that's why I went to the USFAIL and nothing to do it. In the day NOWs. I went to the USUF AL and and people say, why were you do that? said that that hurt your career has now not really, because use it. Fail taught me something even better, maybe a better football player. And let me tell you reason why I had a coach. Was the pray first year. Yeah, never it was a code by name of Park Games. CARTEM's played for the New York jets a time. He was a fool. By he coached Maurice Carthon and myself. You know, I played Mariese carthon with the jet, with the giants. Yeah, maries became a coach. I also in the NFL, Maurice Carthon, and you talk about a coach. Man, hard on you. Now I was a Highestan trophy winner coach Car Games was so hard on my recent I that I wan't like Hey, I would like, oh, hey, everybody's on evil ground. When you come in, man, you brought a five yard out. If we go for for yards and a half, that coach would come down on us like we just are like and like you supposed to block and you keep the guy off the quarter by. You did him in there and knock them all. He come down on you that you didn't set up right and I'm like, dude, but you're like a coach versus positive country. Later you'll see you, Maurice Carline, I said he was the best coach I ever had in my life. PSA, what are you talking about? It because, let me tell you what, he made me better because of the little thing. I was a big superstar and all that, but the little things go. People don't realize when I played Pro Bowl, you know, when I was at George, I want to ran the ball. I just went I don't run it. When I got into the NFL I got into use a pair. You know. I mean the passes I call, he passes, I call and play, while I receive a lot. Where's because of card games, he said, Hershel when you run that twelve yard out, it's twelve yards. There's not no ten and a half, it ain't no fifteen, it ain't this, it is twelve yards. But a quarterback, you, and you know this, a quarterback, have a time, one, d three PAM. He read it and like right. That's what taught me that it is having a coach like that that say no, no, no, no, just because you're a superstore, you're not getting away with cheated. You know, you got to stick that head and you block, put that head up in there and that chance you get that guy off. WHO's it? That's what you got to do. Hey, you got to do this, you've got to hit that whole right here. You got to watch and death. What made me better? Well, you know why? It's so important, because, even though you were a superstar, there's other superstars out there in the NFL and if you're if you're not, if you think you can just do whatever you want Willie Nilly and the little things are important to you, those other super stories are doing the things that are important to them, just like that coach when he told you, Hey, they're doing this many best presses, you got to do more pushups. Right. It's the same. It's the same idea. They're out there working harder and doing it right. If you're not doing it right, they're not going to wait about that and not that showed me there when that the user Fay. You got to do it correct, you got to do it correct and you got to be like that. And that's where I'll start to do it. And so that's what changed my life. And when I got to the cowboy that's when I really knew that was a football player from and white. Yeah, so then you get to the cowboys, you have a you have a one of your...

...best years ever with the cowboys and then a few years later you go through this crazy trade. You know that that I don't know if you ask for it her. I'm not sure about the whole story, but that is a transition that, you know, a lot of people have to deal with. Like man, I am just uprooted. I'm gone of someplace I love to be in. Then I'm going to that new lad and EAGAN Russian and the NFC. I was I got a big head now because you I'm pretty cool and stiff and had test you. And people don't know when I first got to the cowboys, I end up breaking the cowboys receiving record. As a running by, I end up breaking that receiver record. You know I mean the great receivers they've had. So now I've for a big time. Y'all think and then they bring in new coaches and new everybody, and you know, I'm think I'm safe. Yeah, I said. I said, lady leading Russian and this and and NFC, and also not get traded. I didn't know that was a trade heaven. And you're I wasn't going. You're I play five games the cowboys. I was going on trade, trade. I had a no trade calls in my country, so I'm going to mental. So right, I love Dallas. I'm not doing a Dallas. So what was interesting? Jerry is my age. What do they want with a Hersian Sind and want to go to Minnesota and I'm like, I don't want anything, I'm not going to Minnesota. Said, what are you want? So we saw thinking of all this jump. We really didn't want all that stuff. We're going to let jar no, we're not going to Minnesota's like everything we want. Brand new car, you, brand new house, all this jump. We didn't really want that stuff. Read it. Everything we ask for, right. So now with what I oh, crap, now we got to go to Minnesota. But I went up to Minnesota and this is unders truth. MINNESOTA, I thought was a hidden secret. That's one of the best place I ever lived in my life. I thought it was incredible. You know, not altball teams weird because they were. Let me play that much. I ain't. The coach was mad at me because the coaches never knew that was a trade. Happy, your management did a trade. Coaching never knew. And so I was there. You know, I played off and on and I you know, but I love the people. I love Minn so I lived him. I lived any dining and I did the people, like all the people are so great to me, and I told people that as the guys I old Minnesota so much to people are absolutely wonderful to me. That I did in further La's great way. Today I see I got property there. Go back today and I remember my contract was up and people like, what are you gonna do, Asha, what are you gonna do. And I was getting called from guys from that ground to leave, and that was a guy by the name of Reggie White, Minnesota defense called meleging our friends, which is a wresh. I won't too to come to PHILADELPA. He said that's the city of brother in love. Man. I'm just kind of feeling ever said it enough. Brother feel as a tough plance. But I love feeling. I got a chance to be there with Randall the Clyde Simmons, Reggie White, Seth John Andre Water. I got a chance play with those guys. Let me tell whatever, absolutely incredible and I love feeling. Feel as a tough, tough time. They're tough people. They love their sports and support their sports and and any table. I Love I love feeling. I'm just glad that I didn't play for the Redskins when all those guys were with the Eagles. With drove around everybody all man. What what was it? What was their nickname? That defense? Geez, good guy. I remem one year they play here. They played a Monday night game and this is no this is no Joe. I remember watching it and I all ever watch football. I just have to watch this Monday night football game and one moon was a cold, I think Ernest givings. The playing for the Houston somebody it. Well, we was funny. Yeah, this from philadelphy defense, solder, good one move with throwing the ball over the middle and the defense were hidden. The receivers are huge and so hard. They receivers with even look, no more even hitting the ball for tell the but that dense knock your head off. Oh yeah, they had the body back game with the Redskins, Mamby. They knocked all the quarterbacks out there that you had to come in and play. They score before offense, like walk like three more years and then I moved again. and well, and and then also, while you're still playing, you us. That's what you came a box playing. It was weird during the offseason. How did that also plan as crazy? I'm always doing something. You know I'll come. People don't know. Even when I was at Georgia I used to play on Saturday this when the church Sunday morning I fought in Marshal Arts Tournament Sun after news. The three years that George I did all three years when I was the SORGEA. So when I got to Minnesota during the all season, they had something called a superstars. That's when they get a bunch of athletes together and Pete and stuff, and that was a guy outdamn Willy Gulf, that was playing for Chicago bears at the time. Will and I...

...grew up my close, close by from each other. You's from Griffin, Georgia, and we used to compete against each other and all this stuff. And one day, will is it Herscher? We want you to go out for the boss let team and the pit box let team on my own. Yeah, I do it, I do it. I just come to you. I'm great that I'm to do it. I didn't know about lay. It well, right and willing and never called a bobs lay. Well, one day called me up and told you got to go to lake classes and try out for the boss led team and I was thinking bobs lay. I won. The head is a box flat. I haven't even seen a box lay before. I never watched the winner them pics. Right, I never really watched the Olympic. This what people don't know about. I never watched sports from TV. You don't know. I know spores. I know what really, I really didn't have any cooling. You're getting into this other true girls. I Never Watch football on TV. I don't know. I didn't know. Oh, I never saw Oldj play a guess sales a gym, but I know seeing them. So what was funny? I was okay. Then I told what I do it. But I'm thinking I hate cold weather and it's cold around a Bot lets. So what I'm gonna do it? This is the first time I have taught this. You know, my coach and teaching this as I'm going to lake classic only because I told Willim would do it. But I'M gonna try not to make this team goes. I don't want to go to Europe for like months and phreeze my at all. I'm not doing that. So I went up there to make right and at the time I think that was about one four hundred a one hundred kids. They are trying to make fifteen spots. We're probably ninety eight percent of them didn't like hershell walking because they thought because I was a professional player, that I shouldn't be there. And I was being bullied almost that when I was a little kids putting me down and I should be there. And something hit me back here, because I'm like wait a minute now, if you want to compete against first, or we can compete. One thing I do know how to do now, right, know how to push this sled, but I do know how to compete. So I ended up being the best pusher all those guys there in the United States. With ment, I now get selected to the US bar led team. So now we go to Alterburg, Germans. Tell me. I was going to ask you to tell me about the first time you go down on the sled. What was that like, because I know that has been crazy experienced yet, because now you just doing a push and never went down in a slate. Right. Well, we go to Altenburg, Germany, for the World Push Championship. Now I will push the slab one time. Now I make the Olympic team and there's fifteen players on this team and probably thirteen of them don't like Herschel Walker or they made that I'm not the best pushing the US, so I shouldn't be on the team, and I'm like, Dude, why are Y'all getting on me? I'm like, I'm your team. May If you want to compete against me, we can compete. I went to push championship for the world, which me I'm going to know one slate. I still never been out of run. Now I get a chance to go down on the run for my first time and I go, whoa did, wow, that is clear. That is little scary goose. You almost where you said. You get down a Lord, nothing kiss your bucket about. You almost have to do that. You get that head down. Oh Yeah, and my driver, though, I just so having to have one of the best driver in the world by the name of Brian Shimer. Brian was from Naples Florida, so you got a guy from Naples Florida and rights field, Georgia, represented the United States and it bought their team to think that ain't got no snow and were roommates a whole way through and then tail. It was a most incredible thing I ever ever been a part of, southing I didn't want to be and I reckon God was taking care of me, because I got to the Olympics and Abbey of friends and you know, through the World Cup it was just boss led and this in the sled team, all right, but when I got an opportunity to see the United States of America come together with the ski team, with the all the limpets, people come together for the first time. Almost cried. Cried since I got beat up in eighth grade. Yeah, Whoa, this is a kid from rights feel Georgia. This is what I think. Yeah, yeah, this is well, representing your country. Do this too. It ain't like I'm nothing special. I don't get out of work. That's when I want. That's what I'll tell you. When you when you sacrifice, you got a willing to not go to that part because your friend of going we got would have said, you know, I'm not going to go to that bar. I got a willing, no, no, no, I'm not going to. That's that's when you sacrifice. Now, said Guy, that's that's what I've done all my life is I want to be an athlete. I don't know what type of athlete, but I want to be an athlete. So this is a price. I'm head here. Well, it is a durn good price. So I thought it was absolutely incredible. Now that's amazing and thank you for doing it. I actually played college football with a Bob Fletter. His name was Todd Hayes.

Todd was was a linebacker for us at the University of Tulsa. He was he was into martial arts as well. He's kickboxer. He was a world champion kickboxer as well, and then he went into Bob fletting and we're like you know all this. Guys from the football team are like, wait, it isn't that? Todd on the Bob set team and he loved it. He had the same experience you did, where you get there and you become a part of the US and the way that you never thought you were. You know, and you represented the greatest country in the world, United States of America, and I'm like, guys, what can ask for anything better than that? That's the reason I love all United States military because, guys, you're represented the greatest country in the world. Not only that, you're protecting and making it the greatest country in the world, because we're not the greatest country the world with calls of McDonald's or the calls of the dolphins, are the calls of the cowboys, with the greatest country in the world, because our United States military, that's particulars and as a man, is there not a great team to be a part of? Right there it is. So tell me, tell me about your initial your partner, vetteran, you know, one of the things I do is every three weeks, you know, I have a, like I said, the patron support me and young guy by the name of it drew in any landing, we may go out to a base and was weird as I get an opportunity, whether I'm out in the ocean with the seals or whether I'm turn it over in a plane, or whether I'm being you know, whether I'm training, and I trained with them, jumping out of a plane to all the things. And and because most of the kids that's in the military have heard it named Horshal Walker, and you know, they had dad. They all right, they have weird guy that they haven't seen before. Get up in a plane and bill and I'm jumping out of a plane with him. Who in the world with this guy area? They see this guide US oude in the ocean with him a couple of hours at WHO and the he could this crazy team. And then they sit down and listen to me. And that's when I talk to him about there's no shame to ask for help, that you're not listen men, that the coach. We have a problem. That's when I tell them that you know you're not alone, that you know don't suffer alone, because sometimes that's what they think because they've seen so much. You know, we send our young men and women over to another place, to another country, to fight for us, where they see things that they don't see here. They hear gunshots, they have bombs going off every night. They hit these things and they go out and they see things that we don't see here when all the streets, well, that may now, but we don't see him when I was streets where they have to deal with them things every day, and also they come back and some people can deal with some people can't do people that can't deal with people o that crazy, that cre they're not crazy. So that's what I try to hit them to see you not crazy, you're not that monster that people think you are. You you, you just put my hat on, but let me help you and let you know that you can get some freedom and get some piece, because I've been through it. Because this was so funny, people don't know I've been through this. I'm not deep, deep, deeply deep. Trip places that you never thought hers and Walker would be it. I've been there, but and I got help. Yeah, know that there's a light thing. Well, you know, and it's so funny. My wife is a therapist, she's a social worker and she works in Women's Behavioral Health for women with post parliament Peronado issues, and you know, she's always telling me about that. Like you just never know who has issues and it's so hard for people just to ask for help and you know, and in so many people from just something simple as just getting it out and talking about it can help. You know, for me, we've been married now over twenty five years and we've done a lot of therapy to stay together because, you know, that's a lot of you have to you have to go and talk your issues out and if you don't need to try to keep it all aside. It's not good. But people become so ashamed like, Oh, I'm the only one doing this yues. You know, they doubt knows me as having the social identity disorder and I'm like work the cramp. Is that what they said? It's all that in the first thing I thought was sibling because you all seen that movie. I don't like, wait a minute, I'm not gonna momster, not crasy like this, andess has nothing to do with that. We had to do it. Is that, you know, yeah, learn to because you bullied. You learned to put that those feelings you have back here. You didn't deal with all that angry at those feelings. So what I was doing is use all in that anger stuff through my athletic like I would praying that anger out. That's reason I can play sports and I can do so many crazy not going he said crazy things. I can do so many things because all that anger was displayed there. But then all of a sudden, where I now sort ready to get out of sports, all that angers in the streets and now you know, Michael Jordan, when they say is something, and as a guy's that maybe what I'm talking about. I said, you know, all the anger that I had with people's horse. You play with like a...

...dissipated show. You play with a broken this, this and that. You played us. That's that anger that I had from being blue as a Michael George say you know, when I'm in my zone, you say I'm Superman. He's I can fast, I can jump higher. Right then do some amazing thing, and I said that's what I'm talking about. When you and your zone on the basketball court, that's it. That is okay, but if you bring that to your house. Who Scared people today, they don't understanding. Well, I mean that's where. Yeah, well, and I think a lot of veterans feel that way. You know, they're in that zone because you have to be his life and death. It's life and death over there, right, and then all of a sudden they come over here and people, you know, it's just not the same. It's like you said, it's not the same. It's not life and death anymore, but it's a different kind of feeling. Yes, and I think that's why it's important what you're doing and telling your story and and really talking about your book breaking Free Right, and it's so important that people read that and there's people that want to help and if they just ask for it, they'll get tons of it, because I know there's a lot of people that really appreciate our military and thank them all the time. I did think so much and I told I told him if they still to encourage a still encourage me. They encourage me all the time be better and who I am, because those that you give me this right is freedom that I have. So I don't want to squaminate a way. I want to use it for something, to hip up. I'm't hip all those with it because right I owe it to them. And you know, Jesus even say a hers. You know, if you don't have someone else, who are you? You Ain't this war at just about you. I have to tell people this. Yes, it is world at just about you. And sorry to tell you this, but God put you here to hip for others to well, there's seven a half billion people in the world. So it's not just about you, right. So so tell us where, where people can find your book and tells how they can. Our fans can support you and your cousin. It's funny. If you go on, what is it Amazon? You can get my Amazon. We can flee horse and walk in my life at the social about the disorder and page of support your I and I guess I think you hs there as a private group, that we've been doing it. But I love, Love, love for you to go on and just encourage me more and go I don't know what my twitter and all my handles, all my son and my wife does it and I tell people all the time I'm a I say truth. It may not be what you want, but I said that's what a great about America. We have the right to think for ourselves, to decide for ourselves, and I think that's what's great about this country, is you. I. We have the right to disagree without being bullied, without being put down, and that's what's so walking. All right. Well, Hey, one little last thing I do is usually it's called a no huddle drill and it's kind of a lot of fun. It's our last two minutes segment here and I asked you just a couple questions and just kind of let the tension down. Someone please. What's your favorite food? You only eat one meal a day. Hunted Bum. Yeah, how do you? How can I ask you how you do that? Doing that for years? I started it when I was in college cause, you know, I was graduating in Orlake and I don't want to miss out on making an extra two dollars an hour. So I wouldn't eat lunch and I never ate breakfast, and so I just my body got where I only eat one middle of day and I've been fine. I don't think and I don't eat that much and I want a food company, but I only eat I don't eat red meat anymore, don't eat any fish, and a little bit of chicken. I eat more Supersurad I'm as says, a course, but I said my favorite food and I probably wouldn't to say that, but I can have a hunter Bun and a Colt and I'm A. You're my son and aduced you to frosted flakes one time. Healthy for you, I said there, healthy for me because they got grain, they had milk. I don't know where's the head in them, but I thought they were awesome. I'll like and people that just sugar, as a God said, loves me then because I have no idea, but I don't get hungry. That's pretty amazing that you could do that, you know, and I you know. I've known Terry cruise for a while, you know, and Terry play with me on the Redskins, you know, and he does intermitted fasting where he won't eat heats till like ten o'clock at night till to the next day, and he's always talking about by time, two o'clock. If I don't have food in front of me, I'm gonna eat somebody's. You know, it's just like I'm starving. So but you've kind of worked through all the during Game Day. You know. I've never had game, what he called it gave me and what he called the female. I'm never a pregame me because if you eat pregame meal, normally the meal you ate on Saturday, it's going to be the energy you...

...need for Sun. So not then. You got to eat sun the morning. You really eat a good meal, sad, and so I wouldn't eat. I may eat Saturday now, I wouldn't eat again until Monday night because I don't get home it through the sun, because I'm not going to eat because the sort I can feed, and you know this having dolls. If you feed a dog, he become lazy. Now you want to lay down, you want to the doll when you work and you want to keep you right, you want to keep him working, and I don't want to feed me right, stay home. So it all working all day. I don't want to eat anything, but I don't want to get where I get slugs, but I don't eat anything and and I just go that's awesome. I don't know if a lot of them people can do that, but you definitely can. Christ is get all mad. So don't do what I do sometimes. All right, so if you could go back and give a young Herschel some advice. What would that advice be? That advice be my that is a good question. I think they let my mom play basketball with me and step and then she was seventy nine, because you know, that really hurt me and it makes me sad today. But I think about that because, you know, there's a lot of things I could have changed. I done something different, but I tell people all in all, you know the kid that beat me up, he's a kid by named Anthony Logan. I still remember his name. He said, what would I do if I saw you? I probably do anything to him. I poler think as I probably thinking, because even though that may have had a big impact on me going to a hospital like a behavior health hospital, for all at all, my life hadn't been that bad. I may up some tough set bike right in to the hospital with the things I went through, but all in all my life hadn't been that bad. And so if I can give a young horser advice, oh that maybe maybe, and maybe it be it. You know, just be be honest to you. Said for you. Yeah, I wanted to, as that's would be played basketball at my mom that sept men. It's good well, maybe you should drive over there and say hey, mom, let's go shoots to whoops. She probably makes you free throws, that's for sure. Now I'm sure I don't know how much movies and stuff that you watch, but if you did, what is your favorite? swartunately is I just sold one about the kid from Arkansas that football player burds what is called called the old well, I'm trying to name another. To God, I can't even think of that. But I saw one about the kid that walds the glasses brother Bob balls work. Yeah, we're but I forgotten. Moved and able to move it. No, not Brian Problems Movie Kid from Arkansas and they got their college award named after him. He's the greatest walk on. He won't go and okay, if what's it just uns it is probably one of the best movie borrows Worth Ryan Brook, but you want her own brandon borough, who had let me tell you what. You want to see this movie because there's a true story. is about this kid that every he told everyone he was a fat kid, told everyone greater that's the name of greater weight. Told everyone he was going to be a football player at the University Arkansas. If people laugh at him, say you're too fat, you're too fat. He even went to a camp, and these in this move is not that old. went to a camp. The coaches told him too fat, too small to be an offensive line and he said, coach, I work, I want to do it. He were not only to be an offensive I am, but the start that the University Arkansas. Not only the start that UN versus Arkansas, but the play. You got drafted by the rams in the first round. Well, this was interesting. Wow, he never played it down. Drafted by that Ram. Yeah, he was going home to go to church with his mom and he was killed. And let me tell you what. It is called great a. let me tell you one of the best sports move I ever seen, because it shows you if you have a dream, and you will in the war, you can conquer that great dream, because no one believe in this kid, even his brother believing. His mom did. Yeah, it, mom believed in and people laugh at it. You're too fat, you're not going to do it, they said in it in the coaches and Arkansas. And you're too small, you need a game weight. So he showed up at the Universal Arkansas as a walk on three hundred and something power, but you had a big old toff. He was out of out of Shay and the coach a where you got to get in shape. He worked it in shape and became...

...a starter, and not just a starter in all American and not Herrigan drafted in the first round. Well, Hey, wow, we're always looking for something good to watch around here. So you know, I mentioned that to the family. But Hey, her shaw, you know, I really appreciate was great meeting you. You know, I've always been a fan and I've always watched you growing up and and really appreciate how you approach your your life and how you approach the game and everything else. So thank you for joining us on huddle up with gusts and it's just been a pleasure for me to sit here and damn to talk with you. Yeah, so, have a great time and right. Well, I don't know what is the what is it? What it was the saying for Georgia, you know, is it? It's not just going Georgia, right, you guys kind of like a yeah, there you go, this year. Yeah, just saying, because it this year was Georgia year. I'm telling you right now, they had players, they and and I'm not just saying it cause it's Georgia. Georgia this year, I can tell you right now, this was going to be the year. I think Ohio state, Georgia and Clemson was going to be the top three teams. And I'll tell you what Georgia had. You know, they got the kid from what was wait forest, they write that walk by that was coming on. Yeah, and they got to run a buys they did. Georgie got running by received they had a team and it's like, Oh man, did you know? God, I want everyone to be saved with a virus. But let me tell Georgie, I got a team this year. Yes, yeah, a little bit. Anyway, I'm excited. So thank you again for joining me. And how do walk? Guess I really appreciated her. Have a great night. All right, take care. See You, Buddy. Thank you for joining Dave and I in the huddle. We hope you enjoyed our podcast. If you'd like to hear more podcast just like this, go to huddle up with guestcom, where you can find our social channels, subscribe to hear more by our merchandise and join our excusive huddle through patreon. Please join us next week when we talked to more guests about how sports shape their life.

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