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Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

Episode · 2 years ago

Heath Shuler

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Former NFL Quarterback and Congressman, Heath Shuler joins the huddle. In this exclusive interview, Gus and Heath talk for the first time after competing for the starting QB role at the Washington Redskins. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I am former NFL quarterback Gusfora. Iplayed quarterback fifteen years in the NFL. This is my show called huddle upwith Gus each week I team up with my longtime friend Dave Hager, and wetalked with guests about how sports shaped their lives. Pro Athletes,business executives, community leaders, everyone has a story to tell aboutsport. We invite you to Huddl up with gus this week in the huddle coming froma small town in rural North Carolina, he went on to star at the University ofTennessee draft in the first round by the Washington redskins. He wasinvolved with Gus in a classic training camp quarterback battle. After fiveyears in the NFL he went on to serve three terms as a highly popular memberof Congress. Please welcome into the huddle he's sure all right, so heit's called Huddloe upwith Gus, and we appreciate you getting in the Hode with us today. Well, God isalways great to be in your Medel, unfortunately he's an I never got to bein the hodle Wat the same, never not at the same time the only position thatdoesn't get to do that yeah. It's one at a time for you can one on te te forus so he's where we always start. Is that moment in your life that you canremember as far back as possible? That was influential, for you was anapparent. Was it a brother? Wasn't an uncle somebody that really put that bug of the love ofsports into your life, but definitely have to be both my parents. Theyactually volunteer all of their free time for the Swiyn County Use AthleticAssociation, and so they were in charge of raising money, helping out with concession, stand,getting referes tha umtires, and so they handled the baseball and football.So it was kind of born into me that we showed up and every weekend we were, wespent my brother and IW. We spend on the baseball fields and then and then,as older, we got had a chance to play football, and so it ended up being we didn't know any better. We thoughtthat's what every kid was supposed to do, but there was always that one coachas you're saying it was my high school coach. That really kind of showed me. The love of the game and itstarted out when I was in the seventh grade. He was one of these coaches wentback to the the elementary schools and middle schools and said: okay, you knowthey're going to identify God. Thiy can play quarterback. I need a quarterback.I need to run it back and identify those positions and so I'll neverforget. He came to p class and watchd this. You know kind of participate inthe class and- and he come up to me soid. I really want you to start booksand on you know football, and I know you play all thesports and I want you to play all these sports and I really want you to startspending some time with us. So as a seventh grader, I got six and seventhgrade. I got I a chance to really get to know our high school football, coachand cooach voice beats and, and from that point on he not only didhe got cookhed, but once I got into Congress he actually works for my teamon the Congressional Staf. You know what I yeah that's awesome and one ofthe things is that- and I think people don't understand istoday- is that you probably didn't come from a verybig city, no sixhundred people in the city of Bricon Citye right and one ofthe things that Da. I always try to tell people it. Doesn't you don't haveto go to t the biggest high school and go get recruited? Byout you? If youplay and you love the game, they will find you if you're good- and you knowI'm sure, Bryce and city was smaller than fourt city. where I came from buthewhat was that light growing up in that small town wel? It was eighty eight that graduatedin my senior class and there was always high expectations in sports footballbeing at the top of that list. My Sophomore Junior senior year. We wewon the spake championship all three years and and so expectations are always high andas they always say, on Friday night, the city kind of the whole county. We were the countyschool swing county at that time around ten thousand people in the whole entirecounty, where the North Carolina side, the gateway to the Greak Smoky MountainNational Park. We only have the whole county. Eighty six percent of it's the GreatSmoky Mountin National Park. So we only have a very small community, the kindof tax basif you will tous in a very small population. So there wasn't a lotto do on Friday nights and there really is not a lot to do at any point in time.So athletics played a very important role, and so the entire community wouldcome out to watch the games and so even a county of eight thou, eight tenthousand people I mean we would still have three or four five thousand peopleat a game wow. So you mentioned your brother and your brother Benjie. Is heyounger or older than you he's a younger brother? So He's a couple ofyears behind me in school and he and I oldemy, went on and played at Tennesseetogether wow that ould that'd be...

...interesting. You played a lot of mostof your sports. He was a little younger, but you played a lot of sports togetherwhen you were in. We did. My AB was always a proponent of both ofus moving up in age, and so he would move up an age and I would move up anagent, so we didn't play as much baseball together football untilactually we got into high school because my dad always made us play witholder kids to make us better. So was your dad. You know, you mentioned yourparents, giving you a love of sports. Were they athletes? Yes, my mom'sfamily is very athletic and she always tries to take credit for theathleticism in the family. My Dad he was, he played softball played colid. Hedidn't have enough money to even make it to college on a college scholarshipand so actually went to work as a postman early on o life, and so he was a basketball player Y. my mom'sfamily, very athletic family as well, and we always just participated anathletics and very competitiove family, as you could guess so, when you guyswould play sports, did your parents wouldn when you were younger today welike you, know I left football and I would still go play some softball anddo other things. Did you use to go watch your parents play differentsports yeah ma, so my mom plays softball and F toall. So when we wereyoung we would actually go with them and we spent a lot of times. My Dadwould travel around the southeast and played at a very high level of softball.So we would travel around the southeast and watch him all weekends. When we were not participating in ourown sporting activities, he would actually participate. So we were reallyyoung. Before we started playing. You KnowTball D and Litte League. We would actually follow my father around andwatch Inpoy IMEAN, that's basketball country down. There too, are you. Didyou play basketball in high school? I play, but I was probably the worstbasketball player you can ever imagine. You Know Guss you. Having you throw afootball, you kind of flip your wrist out. Well, I wount so the basketballand it always went to the riht every single time. So I never got. I wasn't agreat basketball player, but I could rebout and I could jump, and so theyplayed me up center, even though I was only six three at the time, but you know I played soonner even eventhough the other guys are bigger ECAS, ICUL JOMP. I was the same way. I wasn'ta perican basketball player, but I could get in here and hang it aroundfor a little bit. It's all about positioning and Weyis all about andIhad bony elbows. So, like guys, never wanted to go so you know he. The other thing is, isI remember from you another part of Sporting, for you was hunting and youknow we talked a little bit about that we'rein to get that N, th and futureshows. But for me, outdoor life is sporting as well. People think thatjust being an athlete on a field, I sporting but there's other sporting-that you can do that. I have many friends that fish hunt just do otherthings outside that are just incredible, and I know that was a big part of yourupbringing as well yeah. It was and growing up in area like we did. I meanthat was a part of your tradition. Your paritage is actually learning how tohunt and you know is passed down from generation and generation, so my fatherwould take me and we would he would teach us how to hunt read how to youknow to navigate through the woods and listen watch sine, and so as that growwe kind of got into big game hunting, but ultimately kind of got into more ofa genlemans honey. If you will the Olan so quo, hunting grass honey, especially in the mountains in NorthCarolina, there's a lot. You have to gut a lot of Tanin and walk a lot ofmiles before you see a Graus Sas. It's it was never about to kill. It wasalways about the the sportsmanship and the time together and come rotdertogether with the people youwere running with, and so I enjoyed thatmore than you know. I still enjoy a good finicen or a good quell, but Ispend pin time with family and friends is. It was more work now? What kind ofbig game hunting so der Mining? Typically, you know Ilike it. I, like te deer hunt, not as much as I used to, but when I was we were t the redskins. Iknow Jamie Aasterni we used to. We spend a lot of time hunting in a coupletimes. I think we even went before work. So there was a coupl of tree. Stands thereat Riskins Park that we actually the guys the maintinous guys let us inon. So we actually would go out and hunt forer before our meetings. Well,that's! What's crazy right is redskin park. You could go hunt right besidethe park. Oh Yeah! We did all the time yes, and now you can't even get. I meanit's just completely overrun with like businesses and roads and stuff it's oneof the business busiest counties in the country, liis aster, an Aspron village.I would actually take the backaway and...

I never would get on a paved road untilI pulled into the Parkinot, so I can actually take all the backroads to allsop fields and come right. The redskin park right no and you know- and heshould have grewn up hunting- I mean eighty six percent of the county was inwas national forest. It's right yeah, so he the other part, one of the placeI vis visited in your county. I think it's in your county is dollywood. OhYeah, just it's on the other side of amounts of that's in that's inTennessee, just across the state line. It is yes, okay, yeah, that's Annie Ni,my wife and I am we ere coming back from college one time when we stoppedthere, for I don't know why w that was like our spot. We drove all day and westought them Dollywood and and we actually got lost on a hike inDollywood. Well, you Al Pretty easily in the paryeah. We you know we werent smart. We were young, we went out, it was rightbefore dark were in the mountains and it's dark and we're like, Oh and youwhen you got to sign your name in when you start a hike and they came andfound us Itas crazy. A US shows you it's little nuts, wherehe grew up. Dolly Wood stole my list. I have haven't checked that one off yetto meet Dolly partner, just go to Dollywood actic, both okay, okay h's talked about a lot of things, butshe only has a seventeen inch waste. No, I didn't know that right. That's a fact!That's a fact yeah! So he so you go through your youthexperience. You probably knew where you were going to go to high school, and soyou get to high school. You play two sports. What was your high schoolexperience like? I know from ninth grade on it had to be crazy for youyeah, I dolize I mean we, I think so much of it talked about leadership ut.We had a great coaching staff, so the COACHAND staff had been in tact for avery long time and a great tradition, so prior o they had one in seventy nineand eighty five was the two state chaipionships prior to to our eighty,eight, eighty, nine and ninety year. So it was a rich tradition and alwaysparticipated in a very high level. Well, obviously, Goin rowup in a real smallschool. Eighty eight graduated, I my Seyior class. We had to play all spork,so in the in the fall, was only football but the winter sport with basketball. Iwould play basketball through the week and then on weekends. I would go towrestling tournaments and then, in the spring we played both baseball andRamtrack, which track ultimate Abas. Truly, my favorite sport I track was my all time. Favorite Ienjoyed that probably as much as you know, as anything I had ever done, butfootball was kind of that avenue. What were your events? So I was a high jumpand hurler Wow wow. That was a xten high jumper wow yeah. He could jump two hundred andtwenty pounds. Hes May have had the biggest cas I've ever seen. why Yo canthat's impressive, definitely could jump so he you want two stayechampionships in football: the jury, three, three th, three H, that's wrong. Whenhe said three earlier: Oh okay, I was reading your notes a to and track in ahojob. That's what I was going to ask you so how many other state tancs werein baseball just in track my senior year we wantet in football. We wererunner ups in baseball and I got my pitching baby. The StateChampionship game. My cousin was the picture of hery side and ended up pullinin and I went in and Gusse thebasis was loaded and had a guy at osn me. You end up playing in the majorsand I got up, and I said I'm just going to throu it. As far as I can can buythis guy it. The ball still is rising as it wentover the fence. I never even turned around to look at it. It was a grandslam and we got beaked. That was my pitching bebut in baseball. Should ae give what my dad used to tellme my dad used to tell me to throw the first one at their head and then throwthe next one over the plate that I should have listened to, that thatwould have been good advice yeah. So he at what point? Did youstart to get feeling that you could probably play atthe next Level College football? When did you start getting recruited? So we took it? Our High School took ateam camp to NC state, and so I was going into my sophomore year and atthat point time they couldn't offer her underclassman, and so I went to the camp. They thoughtI was going to be a senior and so nc stay offered me and then quickly haddeco. You know like we really didn't, offer you so at that point time I knewthose ow things were going well and I was I was able to throw with all theseniors that were at the camp and at that point in time they startedcoming to games when, when...

...the season opene up for them to come to-and I went to the Gusper Sal quarterback school, which was a schoolthat was only cot, high school quarterbacksand it was Coachd by a lout of college coaches and until the NCA rules change.So at that point in time I was going into my sophomore year as well, and soa lot of these college coaches that were coaching there were, you know youcould tell th y ther were being extra nice and extra friendly, and you know Kant wait to come watch youplay and that kind of stuff, so it kind of started a sophomore yer. Well,that's great! So who is your first big letter like Hay? We really want you to come to our school, so I got, I guess, the bigness a ging, akind of come around ear, Facflorida and Chapel Hiel n South Carolina was kindof the first three that came and obviously UNCEA state, and it reallywas until my star of my senior year, because thingshave certainly changed now in Recruitin it was Uttil my senior year thatTennessee kind of come in the play and Miami came into play and and notodane.So I went to I went to Notedane in Miami and Florida and Alabama Tennesseewas my official visits. Well, my dad being a mittleman and mymom volunteering her time for the Youth Porogram. We did' have a lot of moneygrowing up as a kid, so for my parents to go to Noterdane or togo to Florida or even go to Alabama was going to be a very difficult, bothfinancially and Tom, wise. So a two hour dropt, O Noti and the fanbase. That was there. They threw the ball a lot, unlike Alabama at the time, didn'tthrow the ball as much and staying close to home and growingup in the western part of North Carolina. You kind of O got a reallyclose attachment to the state of Tennessee. Just cause of. I was closerthere than I was Chapel Hill or NC state a two hour drives Otan half hourdrive. Yes, I'm sure if you would have mentioned to Florida that hey look my Iwould love to come here, but my parents can't afford it. I'm sure there wouldhave been a booster or somebody that could have helped not Florda dadyfor ma. I was just too naivv towork that process at the time. I guess who would have known if you would havewent back like everything you learned in politics, I'm sure you could havewent back and struck a nice deal. Oh Yeah W. It would have been a differentstory. Guess Oh yeah day like in Knoxvoll, I've never beenthere for a game. It looks amazing Elit's, pretty exciting. They Hav theball navy, so that stadium is right. Next to the river, and so a lot ofpeople come to the Games by viaboate, and so they stop and they get out. Theygot a big doc there and they go up to walk up to the stadium, which is youknow, a very short and distance away, and I guess really the BIB. I mean youknow hundred and seven thousand people in the stands out. There was ninety seven thousand.When I played there and t you know it's this, it's an entire state, I mean youdo have bandy and you do have Memphis and you have some of the smallerschools. But you know in theory, I mean everyone's focused in that whole states,the University of Tennessee. So you have such a mouse support from not only in the EastTennessee, but throughout the entire stay, so people would come in and thecraziest part they would start coming in for a Saturday game on Thursday. Soyou would start seeing people on Thursday and certainly Friday, he wasalmost like a Gameday on Camvus. What was your? What was the first game youplayed in where you started a game in college, so my first start would havebeen. I guess, I'v been southwest. LOUISIANAA was, I think, our firstopener. That was the first game that I actuallystarted and played, and then the next week we went to Georgia and playedGeorgia between the hedges and they were top five or Eigeteen, and we comefrom behind him, a fourth quarter and one so that was kind of the mostmemorable game, my sophomore here, so that that that first start you got.Were you pretty nervous? Yeah I mean it was. It was kind of. Idon't know if its much as nervous as I was there was just so much to thinkabout that. I didn't pay any attention to the crowd, the crowd, noise or theexcitement, because, as you well know, gus I mean folks. You know what yourtask at hand and your responsibilities sometimes just overshadows everythingelse going around you yeah, I my first start was at Arkansas and I canremember, I was deering the headlights and they blinted. They were literallybringing every line back here and I got took like three shots in a row and ittook them three shots to like clear all...

...the cobleds and then just just remindyou to get back into game and start playing, because my line at Tulsawasn't the same line tand he had it at Teni I was forse. I had a great line atTennessee, a really great line. I think I got sack more my first startn the NFL.Then I did my lask entire season at tens, wow you're probably wonderingwhat the Hell is going on. I thought the ANDOF o People Didati mean I wayshad the lutchery o just kind of do what bout I wanted to, because we really hada great, very talented offence, Alon Yeah, so you set several records. OtTennessee. You had an amazing career in Tennessee. What was one of your mostmemorable moments that you had in playing in Tennessee? Well, there was some a lot of fun games.Hat you know always brings Back Great Memories, Go Ong to Georgia. We had amy sopimore year. You know having a top pop team rank onthe ropes late in the game playing in a very tough environment. He was fourthand sixteen, and you know and then complete pass. They get the ball back,they can kneel it and they walk away with a victory minute and a half leftin the game and I'll never forget going to the sidelines, and it was you know,there's always that play and practice that you just never can complete, andyou just don't feel a hundred percent confident about notlay as a quarterback,you kdont what the team doesn't feel well, ironically enough it was. It wastruly the right call, because het ultimately became successful, but Davidcouple, if he was the offensive coordinator at the time called it wasI'll, never forgite. This called sixty two mires and it was a deep. It was aclear route, aby the inside Suot and a deep dig rout by the outside receiver,and they were in the right protection. They dropped and they only rush. Thrredropped everybody and we kind of call in that that deep, Dig Angle for atouch for a an eighteen yard, pickup and then Il ulpntely end up running theauction in for the touchdown on a few plays later. So it was a big play, bigtime for us and it kind of put our our team. You know in a situation wherethen we became a top Tempton, but what's the hardest sec road game inyour opinion, for without a doubt, and it's very difficult to play in the swap LS use another one. If you play a nightgame in Llsu, that's another really tough place to play, but I woulddefinitely have to say Florida would be the most challenging to play both going there and sometimes the heat.The humidity was tough to overcome, but you know the crowd jist right there ontop ebby ther they're really energized, and they were very. They were playingvery well at the time so that that was a very tough place to play. I've beento Lsu at night for a game. It's insane, it's Alloud at stadium, I've ever oh!It is. I mean that's a that's a crazy place. You know school, you canquitthem down early, but if you get you get the chance to get the crowd in thegame, you rer you its an up hills, botte and I'll drink there. No, we gotthere in a Thursday. Yo can imagine our condition on Saturday, night yea, soyeah so you've had you had an incredible career. You go to New Yorkfor the hisman. What was that experience like for you to sit in there?I know you didn't win it and you were very deserving of it. What was that atwhole experience like Yiou, going through that you're seen you after yoursenior year Wel? First of all, going you know, go I got to meet one of my mychildhood Hura. I got the you know. Earl candle was the guy that I actuallyadmired. Werin number thirty, four for the Houston owlers I mean I', neverwoneed the play quarterback. I was always waned to be the tailback andjust so happened that I end up getting stuck at the position of thus I say,but I'v really always wanted to run with he football and so meeting girl candle wis. Truly Imean I just couldn't believe it when I got a chance to spend some time withhim was unbelievable. That was, I wore thirtyfour up until I got into high school and that's where I work twenty one: two,because it Wia by wite a wuarterback number. It was more of a Tellbatanfumber a I thought, ot. Maybe some point that put me back at till I, but II've clus started playing warterback and it never changed, but that was agreat experience going to New York for the very first time you know kind ofseeing. It was very odd, though, because at that time it was at theNewor, it was downtown, Atwethic, club and I'll. Never forget the night. Imean it. So it's a part of a hotel and we stayed there and my brother a D. Ifroze absolutely to death, it was snowing outside and it was so cold thatwe had no heat in our room and it was a literally a big hole in the window andwe took the dropes off the window. Onso we took the drakes down and we coveredup with them. It was he and I were in the same room together and absolutelyfroze to that. So the seat that I sat...

...in had like they were put together withduck tape and so put until I guess Disney and all that at all changed. Iwas really surprised that there was not the lights, make it look a lot betterand you could walk into the all thine there with all the husband all t e, theportraits on the wall and the Hisan Tropi winners, and it was like it hadnot been opened up for an entire year that musty old smell and so that partof it. I was totally blown away that this is not what I thought it would be.The people, though, were incredibly nice and did everything mat make you feelcomfortable, but it was a very, very old place who are some of the othercandidates? I Know Charlie Ward wone it, but who wa like Yeah Char Wor, so DavidColmer from Alabana was there Charle with there's three of us there thatnight? Okay? Well, what epreat you think, like you know, you're going togo, win the highest award in College football and Your Hotel Room isfreezing and you've been from the south, Youe, probably like what in theWayyeros that an our chairs helphng other by ducttape, yeah like Wereare, we in the right place so the next night, Actually University,F Tennessee! I guess picked up the TAB, an we moved to another hotel h. Thereyou go there, you go. You finally start using some of that politics yeahexactly, but I think that the coastformer himself, I think,experienced the same thing in the same hotel room. So I think he was ready tomove out to Oh yeah. I bet your parents couldn't have been prouder when youwere up er, they were. It was a great experience in because they got to goand participate and be involved in it, and it was to kind of watch your son andnow have a sun at plays and and you're like wow I mean I'm, you have to be very proud of. You knowthe accomplishments and t was it was. It was awesome and it represent your.You know your university and it had only been the seven time that someoneat Tennessee had had been invited to the husband. I guess show a long wayfrom brice and city long ways yeah. So you know so then you have this amazing collegecareer. You go through all these things. I think thereas, one part of yourcollege pareer that we left out right and you and your wife Id she go toTennessee as well. She did actually we were set up on a blind date when wewere in high school. I was a senior in high school and a teacher actually cameup to me Becaese. I know you're going to find this very strange. She goes,but I think I just met your future wife and I'm senior in high school and I'mthere's no way you've meat MOS future wif. I mean that would be the lastthing that I had thought about. So we dated a couple times whet we're in highschool went out several times she went to another high school. We went out onthe blond date and obviously very attractive, and you knowI was like I'm all in and and I went off to college and then my freshmanyear I called her on my way back home and we met up and went on on a date andkind of the rest of history. Wow. It's a pretty good story, it's kind of likeAnnya. Now you know, we've been dating. We've been married twenty five yearsnow, I'm going in going right from our third year in college on and sometimeswhen you know you know right, you do absolutely so you go through thisamazing college career. When did you realize, like I kind of understand thewhole thing about the NFL when they're starting to come? Look at you you're,going through your pro day. What was that experience like for you? Well,that was fun. I mean it was kind of I didn't EA. I think the best decisionthat I made was actually getting y Tom Condom. Who was my agent and Tom kindof helped preface me both through the workouts and a true understanding andand a God that in some people would think an a very difficult industry? Ifyou will toms interity and character, I mean youknow still proves truth today, with what the conversations that I stillhave and you Kno just love the guy I mean I o owe so much to him and what hewas able to help provide from me and the knowledgeand the understanding the game, because I lways try to stake focus on where Iwas at the moment, and that was you know, college and then having thatopportunity to go play, fill a childwith dream. It was tough Ol, even Tennessee. My brother had spent his freshman yearthere. He got to start the Florida game, and so you know noone that I wasprobably going to get to throw word of my brother. I did complete my lastcompletion to Humin College, didn't realize it at the time, but you knowhaving him there and obviously you know my future wife was there. We weredating, and so I was leaving a lot but to kind of feel that childhood dream-and you know I M in my back up quarterback Jerry Col- was the start ofthe next year and first game second...

...series. He blows his knee out, and so Ithink it you know. A lot of people are disappointed at Tennessee that I leftearly, but I think it was lick, a reminder that that could have veryeasily have been me and not fulfill those dreams andopportunities to play in the League, and you know growing up like I said it, Iwe had a lot of ghrowing up so been able to provide for my family long term. Wasn't wort to me. Did you know what point did you know Youw're goingto get slicted third, then, or the redskins? Pretty clear about who t theywere going to take or was it Wel troin know exactly I mean the. I guess you listene to all the analystsand at that time I had Tom was my agent. You know we started. I look like you'going to be. You know first quarterback. So what really wasas much as which position? But it would be the you know the first quarterbackin the first two teams you Kno had pretty solid quarterbacks at the time,so we felt like it was probably going to be. The redskins was, was most likely and is growing upin North Carolina before the Caroono Panthers. That's the team, you actuallyall the television was that was kind of that childhood team that we all watched,and you know I was the I love John Riggans. I Love Basman and watching those guys and HartMonk and then obviously dues we got to play with Deiro Rine, which isincredible. You know the play with andhe was still like a kid he was outtell I said all th. He was the only guy that ever known that, after practice ofreally tough, he was like a kid he would like run to his car. Of course heran everywhere. He went. He was just like a kid love Derelin and what hemeant through our team. So you know that was kind of where we looked at itis we thought it would be. The redskins and obviously I met norb and can cameraat the time, and I mean it, it kind of was perfect. You know a perfect setting, you know I can you know I was proud. Iwas nervous, obviously meeting those guys and I had a great you know conversationwith both of them and I really felt that that was the place I wanted to go. You know, especially, you know, Kankind of felt. I felt really comfortable with him, Maye more so than I did norbat the time, and so I wanted that's where I was hoping to go. So you you get picked by the redskins and weknow how it all works in Otas and everything and you come in for some ofthe the offseas ond stuff, and then you have this where you hold out through your first training camp. How was thatfor that had to be rough, and I mean I got to take those reps because youweren't there and yea worked out, but that had to be very hard for youbecause you love the game, you love the sport and you're, not getting that beout there with the guys, Yeah Yeah. I think the most difficult thing was is Iactually remember taking the contract to Charlie caselly and putting it onhis desk and said you know, here's the contract, I mean oecause, you know atthat point in time. You knew what the numbers were, so it was never about themoney it was. You know there was a votable year's cause in it and what hadhappened was they started? I guess, with the other rounds first at kind ofworked their way up, and you know trade was the second round pick so tradi comeinto camptill three or four days lay, and so he didn't. I went into hisoffice in the the my contract war still sitting on his desk and everybody wasin camp hadn't, it open, and so I was like you know, e, it's notmy fault and then I was getting all the blame for it and it was just like. Idon't know why people were blaming me and it wasn't about money. I mean because that was your relevantto me period and I guess it was the hordable years that they ultimately hadto get the ruling from the NFL. And you know I think Tom took criticism, but Ithink you know he saw an area that I could avoid out years after after the third year. I couldvoid those years out and renegotiate or go to another team SOT stough yeah. I don't think that there was any.I mean that was, I mean they had done the year before, with the other quarterbacks, with breeze and R with Dru and and so I really didn't Y. Ididn't think it was an issue, the res Kins, we just they just didn't.You know pick up the ball fast enough to be able to get the contracts on Wel.You know, that's that's interesting. You say that because kind of all thatcontract dispute with players nowadays, if you're first round pick IC canroundpick they're almost a little different and youwere one of the first ones thatset the town on how things should start...

...going and then we get to Sam Bratfordlater on that Jis. Yes, has this make a contract and everything has reallychanged. You know, and so you were really one of the first ones to reallystart that whole progression of getting I mean when he signed his contract. Itwas a really big deal in DC and deservedly so he's the first round pickand you got ta go get what you can get yeah. It was tough, I mean so I youknow. I say this. I didn't start off on the right foot with the fans. I didisturn off o the right foot with Charlie Casherley, and you know I didn't knowwhat to do. I mean I here I was a you know. Twenty twenty year old God didnot have an idea or clue wats. You know what I needeed to do. Yeah. You shouldfind my contraas been a lot easier. Yeah you sould Otracbeteaer, becauseoing or anything Likeir Sinus, I'm like okay, Sur, whatever you want, whateveryou want I'll do it. It was a your bonus, twenty five sand, which is pretty good. That's soul, P mywife' college off with that. So that was nice yeah. So so you finally come come intothe Redskins and you join, and you know you know how Washington is in the mediaand there I am I'm quarterback and I'm taking a lot ofthe reats that you probably could have had- and I was lucky in that regard.You know, and it was hard for you and what did you think of this wholesituation? Where there's a seventh round pick- and we know everything that happenedand we're wayt come home to have that affect us anymore, but I just I justalways wonder we never really got to sit and talk about how this affectedyou and in our relationship wasn't what it should have been because of a lot ofthat situation. Yeah it was, I mean you always want to be competitive with oneanother and and the one good thing that I'm very thankful that you and I bothdid. Is We actually handled the relalationship? You know with oneanother: We didn't let it wasn't out in the public. You know we handleourselves, I think, with integrity and character, and we didn't allow the youknow debisiin US between us. I mean we were very competitive. You want to bethe star, I wanted to be the star, and and that's what you want, I mean youwant that topic. Ompetitive. It made me a better player, maybe a better personmad. Do a better player made you a better person to be able to do that. You know it was I now I reflect back on it. I mean it was not my offense, you know I meanand I'm not putting place in any blame, but it was not my offense. Once I gotto the West Coast offense with John grutn with the rader titers, it waslike I was at home. I mean that was truly my thought process and it soundsodd that that's that was a same theor as the same progressions and the samethings that it was more about reading the defenses and T en alternit, insteadof as he open as he opens ye open kind of the Don coreal or Hes amps NorthTurner. It was a much different drop back and least with the West Coast. Icould use my legs to get out of the pocket and move, and I felt, like youknow, Iwas kind of taken. Eighty percent of my game that I used incollege was actually my feet and legs and been able to get out of a pocketkind of taking the stripping me from it. It's like you know your your bestweapon, your best asset, your best tool- I didn't have it and so after I lookback on I now and I struggled with that offense I truly struggled and- and youknow, gus, I think that was your offence. I mean that I think that's thereason why you were successful. That was a lot of the sinmilar offenses thatyou had in college. You know that you know the the largerthe sets den drop back, the big playact on throw the ball down the field. I was used to that fast break. You knowthree step Fov step, get the ball out really quickly and it was a differentit was. It was kind of owas and oranges for me and I didn't perform well and Iwould Hav I think, under normal circumstances regard I don't think hadanything to do with the coaches. It just wasn't my obvoce. Well, I think itis. It does have something to do with the coaches O he's, because I've beenthrough the situation where I went from that digit system to the West Coast andI'm not a west coast. quarterback so when you're trying to fit square paganto around hole, coaches don't really care. They said this is our offense andwe're running it. We're not going off what suit you best, we're going to runwhat we run. You know, and I saw an article where you talked about Rg threehaving a similar problems right, where that wasn't his style, what they weretrying to do with him there and you have o sit to what your abilities are,and I fhought that way when I watch you play as well, is that you know you'retrying to do big dropbacks, but your skill set was a lot of running. Myskill set was Runi, not running. Righti did not like running at all right and Ifelt like Itas much as you want to say it wasn'tthe colches. They have to understand...

...who you are and what you were about andtry to work their offense to give you the best chance to be yeah and so going to you know. I got herearly in New Orleans, so I dislocated all five of my toes during the Oaklandgame in New Orleans, and so it was early in the season. My firstyear there with won the game before and thingswere starting to kind of turn around. This team was starting to jail together.N Bitgo was an awesome coast love my good guy. I mean I have no negativecommests love. My did Gu beyond Believ it's one of the greatest leaders I had ever been around, but Istepped up in the pocket. We were playing in okl in the baseball stadiumstill early in the season, so the baseball stadium was still out aboutsecond bays. I stepped up through the ball to my receiver and Chester,Marbocklan whos. Obviously, since PASSD now fell on me and then two of my guys felland my heel was in his chest and my toes were in the ground and so all thatweight just roll all five of my toes on top of my foot. You know- and I tore my planner fashion. I rupturedthe sesmoid bones and add two surgeries leven and a half months off prutches.You know, and it's kind of funny how the media alwaysportrays it. I don't know what my career would have been like if I wouldhave had the chance to to finish, especially with OAPAL and once I gotthere is like I am at home. This is where I want to be, but irehave got a chance group andcalls me up and says: Hey. I want you to come here. I say coach, I I'm in acatxt, I mean I'm in the cast for two more months and he says I'm Sid Anywayand so brutan signed me with the raiders and went out there, and Ilearned more about in my area. I learned wore about thegame and the six months of I s with John Gruden that I had had known my fat year. Friar combineunderstanding the knowledge of the game, just an incredible coach and truly a guy that loves the games, one of the things that it had to be hard for you just like we all. I mean I transitionedout on DC as well, but you know there, you are the number one pick this thiscountry, kid from Fort City comes in and his playing and and they Lov youknow the media loves O Pittis Against Each Other, and you know, and you hadto leave the team and then I got to stay for a few more years and I left Hateam and then trend took over and it was just like it's always one afteranother. But how was brand Brad Johnson right exactly, but how was thatexperience for you like emotionally? I can still. I still have dreams aboutthe skins and things that I went through and I just wonder how that wasfor you. You know, even though it was a battlefor us, it wasn't like. We were head in Tahead. You know what I mean it waslike we were, he would up on. I would go yeah yeah, I think, truly, I think inlife. You have to have obstacles in your life and hurdles to overcome andit does one of two things: It inther it dol make you grow inmature and which II think that's what I did for me or it makes you feel bitter, and I don'tthink that I ever had any bitterness toward the situation. That happened. Imean I'm still a Redskins Fan. I still love the Redskins, maybe not as much asI do the newborone saints or the raiders, but I mean I truly have thatlove for the skins and I'm always wantied to win. You know any time theyplay Chicago. I mean he didnt kind of play. New York, I won the win thats. I Want Hem to win, but I mean itmakes us better n. It certainly prepared me for my netural and life,which ultimately become Ini Congress, because you know man, there are twocontact sports, but it prepared me for kind of the negativity in the, and youknow people not always agree ind how you cast a boat things like that. Soreally to me was it was I needed that as a really because I wasso young I mean I was. I was the youngest guy on the team showed upthere and you know I need a lot of maturity and growth and it there wassome tough times at my apartment, all by myself sitting there wondering youknow nobody that you know you kind of feel like it's Har a connect andcommunicate with somebody to understand that what you're going through and- andthere was some tough challenging times- Wer they dade for the first- was therdivision within the locker room, guys taking sides. I don't really know if there were. Ithink that it just we kind of for me personally, Ifelt like it was just whatever the coaches decided. I don't think thatthere was a lot of division in the lock room. Maybe there was some, maybe heatfelt differently about that and you...

...might have, but I feel like we had somegood old veterans in the lock room who just wanted the best got to play. Yeah I mean Thenk N, we have SOM greatand I don't think there's really much to business. They wanted to win. I meanwe were you know prior to Gusand, I gettin there. The team was three andthirteen you know, and so that was it wasn't like thatthey were you know, things were going well and Gusin I came in and we wereyou know we were the reason I mean things were going south at that pointtime, but I think the real the real thing is. We all wanted to win andacross the board, everyone in the locker room and, I think, Tha. You knowthe the Timad Johnsos of the world thatTheare Greams of the world tha the kin harv is the world, those guys BronMitchepls thos Guy Er Augus, and I work in Tha situation.You know to Leagu. Quite yet- and you know I said Tis a thousand times Gusplaye better than I did gust deserved to be our starter. That was you know, and so I could havefought. I never could fault him for doing well. You know I could onlyfought myself for not performing the way I felt like I was capable and fartoo often I felt like I tried too hard, and sometimes I was trying too hard,maybe not as successful, and I just you know so. I always felt like that was anopportunity for gustand. You know and he played better. I can never deny thatand I'm very grateful it. You know when Gust came in, we started winning got usan opportunity to start wining ton, GAM yeah. I think we learned a lot fromeach other. I O tonto six other teams iwent onto a few other ones, but Ithink that whole experience an what we went through together, the good the badand the ugly probably help us grow up a lot like he said we were both young. Iwas a little older than he he came out of college earlier. I spent five yearsin college, so I was a little older, but it taught us a lot about who we wereand how to deal with things. I started a family. I was dealing with kids andfriends and family, like you, don't understand like when you're in DC thefamily comes out of the woodwork when you say he, Oh yeah, they have wild cousins at come.Ooui think it was just an unrow experience and I'm so gladthat we, finally, after all these years, got to talk and hear each other story alittle bit, and I appreciate everything you said and and heath was just, he wasvery grateful and everything that happened, and you know it was one of those thingswhere he't never looked down on anybody else. Never saida bad word about anybody else. Just went out and worked hard and we're alljust delt the cars were dealt well. Gussi had a a, I think, part of it hclosure for me. So I was in Charotte IW senior vice presient Buk energy and Iwas having aneting at a restaurant and wats an outside troup and we're talking,and I keep hearing this voice behind me. I'm thinking I know that voice and Iturned round and looked, and it was north Turner, and I was you know you always feel likeyou, don't ever hold rudges or you hold something to get someone, but he and Ihad the opportunity after he finished dinner and I finished dinner, I had id,we had an opportunity to have a conversation and talk, and I needed that more than probablyanything in my life that I needed some resolve there and some a little bit ofI was probably holding up Truat us that I really didn't realize how much that Ngrudch really was. You know, and I knew that it wasn't him. It wasmy performance not hit not him, but I just knew that there was something thatI made this some closure, and so he had a the most incredible conversation andtalk, and you know he was a new coach and he talked through the things thatyou know that he could have done better and, of course I was saying things thatI could have done better and- and it was a great closure that allowed me tokind of feel good about my conversations withhim and something I needed. I need for a very no I'm really glad you got thatbecause I was going to say. I've never had that conversation with him, andthat is a closure that I still think about, sometimes where that would begreat to sit down and talk about everything that happened. You knowbecause at the end of my bredskins career I had something happened to methat still was talked about everywhere and instead of him embracing it and helpingme through it Ye. He really pushed me in in a bad direction with it and I hadto deal with it and I didn't let it affect me like some people would have,but you know that's a closure I still haven't got. That would be very helpful.So I'm really really glad I'E got that closure with some yeah and it's toug inlife, and I think that problems I should have done a better job, a maybereaching out to him earlier, because at...

...the end of that I felt its good about that part of my life. After havingtalked to Him Yoa K O I reached out tohe when I was trying to make adecision to. I go play backup bret far or go compete for thestarting job in New Orleans, and I ask him straight up. If you don't think,I'm ready to be a start, and I need to go behind Brett tell me and that'swhere I'm going to go side with the with the packers after I led theRichkins and he was like no, you should go fom pefor starting job down in newORLAS and wanted to start a job there and you know wewere in a great place. Imean it was just one of those things that you do when you get injured early.It makes it difficult that I've had that conversation with him,whether or not I could play but theres other things that we kind of need toclear up. So hopefully you get that opportunity and if you do come toCharlotte a NI, buy you bioh sounds good, sounds good. I Love Charlotte.It's a great town, good water park. There I've been toyeah so now you're out of the NFL. At what point? Do you see politics in yourfuture? Yea It was a Brad Day. So so we hat so when I was in with thered skin. Well, when I was with the saints and my brother was getting outof college, he and I had started a real estate company together, and so I was, I always enjoyed business lovebusiness, and so we ended up starting it because Ididn't know if I'd ever play again. So we started that and so we started andwe end up selling the company. So we there was four of us hat started thecompany, my brother and I and two other guys that we hire and in eighteenmonths we had two hundred and fifty employees and we were the fastest gorlRol State Company in the southeast, at the Tomof aldam merger. It was allorganic growth, and so we grew it up, and you know we were very fortate that wesold it before the the real estate crash and the biancsal crash happen andI ha moved from Tennessee where we had the company to my wife's home town inwaineswill. Halfway between where we live now and where I grew up and we were raising money for nonprofitsand really kind of helping the community out- and I wouldn't say I wasretired- I was still doing some deveppment work, but it wasn't to themagnitude that we had been prior, and so we had our kids, and so I wasenjoying both kids and people kept asking you got to run for Robbs. Yougot to run for office and I started getting a bunch of cals anWashingt DC. I mean people a you, know, kind of beging me to run. You knowwanted me to to be involved. ND next thing. I know a I kept seeingthese numbers over pop, but Itoud be kind of funny who it was, but there wasa two on two number popped up on. My cell phone forse op Pesenin to voicemetal, didn't realize that it was Billcorton so and I was like man, that's pretty cool,so I called hi back intepically when you call the members of conrress backof tenators back to you know, please hold Lem me Fo Chotupon, you know theConrman of the center and and so they give you a little time to kind of thinkwhat she's going to say, and so I did that I called he iniwaas lowingthe hold. If he just answers the phone, it was his selpersonal cell phonenumber. He answer the thought and we had about an hour o conversation andafter that I really felt let led te serve. I mean he talked about. You knowthis country's giving you eat the whole lot. You know and you never served in in our military andyou should consider serving in Congress and couldn't deny that, and so I reallyfelt theled it to serve our country and so going to Congress and made theannounce wmant Thet Wawas, going to the, and I had a uphill Ivo. I mean it was aa sixteen year and com UN, a guy who had been in this office for sixteenyears as Ta Cardinal, which means he is a subf committee chairman onappropriation, so tha bring a lot of money back to our community and a ithad. One significantly overwhelming et had one that the elections prior and itwas an rplus twelve district, which means that I was a Democrat, and thatmeans you know a it was twelved o nothing really yeah w feel fin. I fe Oyeah. So all right, so you have a conversation with Gill Clinton andeverything I've heard about him is that when he talks to you it just he justknows how to influence you and hit the right buttons. He would have been this Lim aredy. I heof the coach. He is that top of an instluentialperson, Ri tmatic, you know very genuine, I mean, andsince then he and it had become very close and got ten noin over the years,and it spent a lot of time together and and someone that I truly consider afriend he he is. He is the most charismatic,you know, never forgets a person's name, which is probably one of those uniquegist at anyone could have. I mean I...

...talkd about people he hadn't seen indeat games and he would know w remember their names. It was just incredible, but just kind of learning from you knowthe political angles and strategies o which he did, and now he was involvedin was pretty awsome, so you weren't the first athlete in Congress. Youwon't be the You wondn't wont be the last. But what is athletics? All thestuff that you've been through your life in athletics and Sports? How doyou compare that to the politics and the and what you went through in thatarea? Well, I think you know the first IME WE STARTE with the disappointingthing. You know I' really got. There was hoping that it was going to be ateam. You Know Berertuner the way that we were with all o our you know,everyteamg that were Er Ong. We really e were all publ on rope in Thi samedirection. You know, wanted our country to move in the right direction. Youknow, and- and it didn't you know- even withInterniy was even your own party. You know there was alwayscontroversy or issues or problems, and people want to do different things andI never felt that tea or branded, except within my office, and we triedwe created that within my office and it was a I becredible work environmentpeople. I had to beg my folks to go home and Di and move in Washington andthey want to say that they truly loved what the work that which they did, andso we created that, and so then I met with another group called Blue Dogs,which is the you know, the more moderate conservative members of theDemocratic Parti, and so that became my team. That became the people that Iassociated with. That was the group that I hung out with. That was the onesthat we agree. Policy wise and even we didn't always agree, O hundred percent.We could actually come to common ground and we work with our counter parts,which was the Tuesday group Ot, very the the moderates of the RepublicanArty and so collectively. I felt like that group was a part of the team andrepresented eighty percent of America and their viewpoints. Unfortunately, wewere a very small minority within Congress, and only the friends groups,and certainly as Tom at went on- and it's still even worse today- that thefringe groups were controlling the political parties and there was no wayto kind of create a sense of compromise compromises. A forletterword in Washington and and if you did the same, you know stick to your gunsand your way or the highway. Then you voted against it, and, and so that wasdisappointing, that there wasn't the whole Congress wasn't had America First,I felt like they stealed this day. They have their party first and then theyput in America. Second there's some great people there, but Isay that there's three types of members of Congress there's t e, a third thatare there for all the right reasons I meanthey truly may want to get to their past the same viewpoints, maybe an alternatepath that they truly are there for the right reasons on both sides of the album there'sanother. Third. There there I think that are there for grudy power that arethere for their own personal game, and then I think the other third is theonly job they could ever hold at they've never had any other job, but tobe a politician, and that's the unfortunate ones that to me that makes Washington not work the way itactually should in a what I would consider a team atmosphere. But thatbeing said, I love the folks that I that I had to deal with on a day today,Thatis just gone along with those political sides. When I left conmess, Ivoed fifty percent of the time of Democrats and fifty percent of the timeof Republican. So I kind of felt like that's where my district was that's,where America was and had a seventy three percent approval rating andicidou O wow. That's pretty hard, O! That's going on on SOM chows, you thatyou know you've been through a lot in your life. You weren't a careerpolitician to start with. You went into that phase. You said this is enough. Iknow when to get out. You probably had enough of it. You probably ere gettinglittle grave like yes, some at all, but you know it's an amazing transitionthat you made from sports to politics, and now you leave Congress. So for five years I was senior vicepresident, Duke Energy, so we're were the lardest public utility in theUnited States, one of the largest in the world, so hang on their external affairs andworking with an acorporate environment with TWAS challenging. I woulddefinitely say that some of those environments are far more politicalthan Washington is, which was very interesting once again, Puttin a team together.That's a thing that I really love and enjoy doing and business has alwaysbeen a you know, kind of a true interest of mine. I mean had acar wast business when I was fifteen years old and had eightemployees by Thei'. I was a senior in...

...high school, and so I love business. Ilove growing businesses and so, after getting kind of that corporate bug andkind of checking that box, you know I I have a consulting firm now that we goin and we get analyzed. This is: is we grow businesses? We try to putbusinesses on the right path. We throw the revenue we lower their expenditures,we help them with their marketing. We help them with their communications orexternal affairs, and so I av hired and a part of our team. We've got a a very large network of formerexecutives that are subject matter of experts in multiple different fields,and so we go and we help companies work with private ecwuiny firs. We helpthem brow their margins and BESIC cussle. So kind of my last question for you, Heathis so you've been through. All this you're doing some incredible things:You've been in real state business. I mean you' been in Congress for cryingout loud. What would the he shuler of today go back and tell that twenty yearold he shouler Tennessee before he get trapped? How wow you know. I never said that. I think I don't want to say that I would havenever entered the draft again, but I would like a because I think the family and I mean I'm- I am now living the greatest time of mylife. You know I'm less in the spotwife than I've everbeen, since you know, since I was high school, I'm more in the background, but I'haveit the time of my life now and if it weren't for all of those differentchat, counches both challenges of being successful, because I think that thatcreates its other sense of of the successes that you have. Youhave to overcome. Other pertls and obstacles be humble. You have to youknow how handle and manage yourself accordingly, because as quickly as yougained it, you can be taken from you and so, and the an the obscles ofovercoming challenges of playning Infl, you know and not being not living up toexpectations are not fulfilling the true dreams that I wanted to accomplish,and you know that to me has put me in a position now that IAM having the timeof my life with my family, I'm the greatest time that I've ever spent isreally last to years, O mot no t at. That is great because I always say tomyself. If I had to go back and tell that young kid back in the day was be a lot smarter with your money anddon't go when your daughter turns one: Don't go, have a big birthday party forand keep your money in the bank you're gonna want to go on vacation when youturn fifty to somewhere, really nice. I went to that party thet, we didyeahArtwas, a good part, he's good party, some retrospect, but I agree witheverything you're saying he ays, like those experience mad o made us who weare today, but you know there's still some things that I know you had somepeople around your eyes and people around you, but it was just steps thatyou know you wish you had that person in your ear, helping you through someof those times and I'm sure you did to as well. Oh yeah and we bath had thatadvice I mean we've all made decisions and we were given bad advice along theway and and that's okay, because I now hopefully able to recognize thosesituations now in life, and you know Gus. I just want to tell you you know,thanks for having me on your show, but more importantly than anything thanksfor US connecting, and I think this is going to be kind of another one step,one of multiple steps, and I love to see your family and and see n again andhopefully we'll get the chance to kind of reunite in person. But thank you forthe person that you were Wiz in Washington, because I mean we couldhave been adversarial and kind of, but et has but not one time Ot. We ever ana meeting that either one of US said anything tororatory toward one anothersaid anything in the in the media that media that was drartory, and so wemaintain our composure. We maintain our integrity and I think that's why youbeen successful in life anse. I won't thank you for that. Well, no, Iappreciate you saying that- and I want to thank you as well for doing allthose things, because I had a great sounding board in my wife and if I everdid say something stupid, she would I'd get home a ine Lastin for it, but Anniewas great and and really keeping me ground and keep me humble, and Iappreciate you coming on one last little segment. We do het. It's calledno huddle, it's our two minute drill and Dave last, a bunch of questions atyou and I be ready to answer him without thinking and just just get himout. It doesn't take long and then we'll break it from there so day. Won'tyou get eave with or nohotl all right he's. What's the situation we backed up twron, what's or Ro to Min Rill...

...we'r just going to win the game? OGAYSO!That's our situation! I go with his six ten hih jump over the top Thatwud, be my God to if i Wereo, if Icould do that, but he could jump over the whole line right. Okay, so here wego e. This is calle the no huddle in your opinion. What's the mostoverhyped thing in sports today, excuse me theover. What's the most over hypedthing in sports today, oh my most oversihe thing, I think thesocial media. I agree because I hate how they recruitkids. Today, that's across the board and all aspects of life and Mya Socia n ide, Bhind, anothr nameoh yeahanonymous muscles behind that, but you don't seetheir face of their name. What's your biggest pet peeve biggest petpeee honesty, not people notbeing honest. What's the whell, he answered this oneearlier. What's a lot of stadium, you've everplayed it, but I'm sure it woul. Still it wuld still be theswamp in Florda yeah, no way, TFl cul it's hard for any NFL team to have theloud volume that you actually have and the SEC cou. If you could be one otherplayer- and I think he answered this early to in one other player that has ever played any sport. Whatathlete would that be? Oh Gosh, I guess I mean another sport Imean I guess it has to be a Ros. I mean you know Arod, I love the way. Yo playthe game on baseball. That would I mean as far as Alme fiel stuff, I mean heplayed it and played it extremely well. I, like Arod, when is Yor Awas aYankees Fan, but I like to watch abrob the other way, feelas football. Thewould have to be erl Campbell, well, Ari had some Nice contracts alsojust as a Charon thes oneseer like two of the largest ever right. What rule would you change in sports?If you could change one rule? What would that be? If it was on the POLETIAC level, Iwould say that you can offer high school athlete until they entilthe spring of their junior year. In that way, you know I've got kids ocoaching and been around that will bein offered in the eighth and ninth grade,and I see that and they just lose complete focus of the real task at handand that's playing in high school and enjoying that process. To me, that isthat's a detriment. NCA desperately need to step in. They need to madicsome changes in a lot of different areas: e recruiting service type stuff,the there's a bunch of things here thatreally need to be addressed. So so you've done all these amazing things inyour life. I mean I'm sure you could write you're going to write a booksomeday. I see that the next step it's going to be a movie about he shuler whoplays you in a movie who's like a movie? Oh, my goodness, I guess I would saydite maniit yeahyeah that o Tay Gosisin the ter Oyouothe stree, then sa that's Efmy, favorite actors. I just like hiscalm domenor his way, O OCI TA in the in the show, the I I don't know if hehas a six ten hidole, though fow do yeah last thing: what's your favorite TVshow? What are you watching right now? Tha Netflax? What are you watching?Well, Ohgosh? I get. I do like the unit.That's obviously one jukb really Justi can see heat Bein. I have youwatched yellowstone, yet love Yeai'Mi Coul, see he bnthinkcomes on Nactuallyyeahthere, you go well. He thanks for coming on the show, love catching upwith you, and hopefully we can stay French for a long time and stayconnected. Tell an clote for me: Yeah Tol, Nicole, the kids could lock thenavy and his future career and- and I can't wait to watch them on TVsomewhere. You got tit. Thank you, Ta Great, to meet you nice to meet. Youthinks he ai. He Take Care.

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