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Duff Goldman Charm City Cakes

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Joining the Huddle this week is Duff Goldman. Duff is a chef and artist known for his dazzling, creative approach to food and his fantastic stories describing the simple science of baking. Duff starred on the hit Food Network show Ace of Cakes, set in his bakery, Charm City Cakes. He now has cake studios in Baltimore and Los Angeles. You can watch Duff bake and decorate on Food Network’s Duff Takes the Cake and mentor bakers on Kids Baking Championship. Duff believes we can discover our inner creativity and celebrate with each other through the fun of baking!

Duff played hockey and football in High School and went on to play Hockey and Lacrosse at College. Sports helped Duff understand the meaning of teamwork, and he is an incredible Captain and leader for his company. 


Check out all that Duff is doing on his website.

http://www.duff.com

Hey everyone, Welcome to anotherepisode of huddle up with Gus, I'm your host, former NFL quarterback GusFrerotte and welcome to the new 16 31 digital new studio. You know, somepeople say no news is good news. Well I say to those people you've never read.16 31 digital news dot com. Go to 16 31 digital news dot com to get your latestnews, sports, music and entertainment and maybe even listen to your favoritepodcast. Follow up with gusts. Check it out today at www. 16 31 digital newsdot com. Welcome to what surely will be a doozyof a matchup brian here. Sports fans, whether your game is on the gridiron atthe diamond or on the links, we can only say, yeah, welcome to this week's huddle upwith gusts. 15 year NFL quarterback Gus parents, passion for sports has takenhim on the field and behind the bench is Playing for seven NFL franchiseswith 114 TVs under his belt. Gus knows who the players are and how the gamesare. one. Uh, it's not every day you get to hang out with an NFL Quarterbackup. Okay, sports fans from the decked out and plush 1631 digital studios,it's kick off time, so snap your chin straps on and get ready to huddle upwith us two left. Hey everyone, welcome to anotherepisode of Help with Gus, I'm your host, Gusts for about 15 year NFL quarterback.I want to welcome you to the 16 31 digital news studio. Also want to thankmy team, Terry Shulman Ian, Kiss brian, the super producer and joe Corbi. Wewant to thank him obviously and we want to thank Sounder FM, one of our newpartners. So Sounder FM. Thank you uh for letting us put our podcast on yourplatform. And then we also want to thank Vegas Sports advantage, sportsbetting. Go there, check, check them out with Vegas sports advantage, sportsbetting. They've been really increasing people's value and numbers, so checkthem out in Vegas sports betting advantage um dot com. So everyone, whata guest today, it's a little different than what we normally do, but I'mreally excited. You guys would know him from, you know, his, his bakery inMaryland, charm city cakes, but also, you know, he's also used uh uhtelevision extremely well. You you know him from ace of cakes, um duff, itsounds like that you were born in Detroit, you moved all over and endedup in Virginia now you're in Maryland, but uh welcome to huddle up with GustavGoldberg from charm city cakes. How are you doing today buddy? Doing great. Howabout you guys? I'm doing wonderful. You know, I was looking through yourbio and checking everything out and I was just wondering, does kind of everychef or wannabe chef start out at like a Mcdonald's sometime in their life andand it's a fry cook, I mean, you know, every, you have to start somewhere, youknow, and I think that, you know, starting at a place like Mcdonald'slike, you know, I think when you say that, like, you know, you think of like,you know, I've worked in some of the best restaurants in the world, you know,I've had a pretty crazy career. Um and when people hear that my first job wasMcdonald's, they kind of like laugh at that thing is Mcdonald's like, theyreally like, they, you know, it's a low paying job they're taking, you know,young kids that don't really have a lot of experience and they're teaching themhow to be like, you know, members of the team and it kind of like for me wasthe perfect first job. It's like, all right, you are an idiot. You don't knowanything. We're gonna teach you how to work in a restaurant. Okay. Less thanone shave before you come to work, make sure your uniform is clean. Make surethere's like the right amount of ice in every single coke. You know, like stufflike that. You know, Like you cook the fries for 2:47. That's how long youcook them. Um you know, and I think that when you work in like a nicerrestaurant, they assume that you have that like all that stuff kind of down.So it's a great first place. I mean, it's like, you know, you take a JVfootball player and you put them on a pro team, you know the protein is goingto want to teach a kid like all right, you know what I mean? Well and you knowusually when you're a Mcdonald's and the general manager there is not goingto shoot you out for making a mistake because he knows you're young. But ifyou go to a nice restaurant and make mistakes, that head chef can get kindof honoree sometimes, I mean I've I know a lot about it, my good buddies achef, so uh I've seen him in action. Yeah, I've been I've been chewed outbefore, I'm sure you've done your share of that. I tried to you know, I take adifferent approach, you know what I mean? I really try to you know try tolead by example and you know when...

...people make mistakes, you know, I tryto you know, help them understand why it was a mistake in the first place andthen, you know what I mean? Like instead of being like, oh my God, youknow, you you messed up this case, what's wrong with you? I'm like, okay,so here's here's what I think you're doing wrong, let's fix this, you knowwhat I mean? I find that like, you know, like in a lot of kitchens, like, youknow, like professional kitchens, it's a very high pressure places moving realfast. You know, you got people out in the dining room or waiting for theirfood, you don't have time to be nice when you're decorating wedding cakes,you have a little bit more time. And most of the people that work for me, orI went to art school, you know, most of them have culinary kids and so it's ait's a it's a different style of management. Yeah. You have a littlemore timely. It is frantic in the kitchen when you're like, I worked atmy chefs, my buddy's restaurant and my kids worked there with me through Covidand you know, he had to let everybody go. We were just helping him out and we,you know, he didn't really do any kind of take out before that. He was apretty nice restaurant and then we did take out and when it would get busy,it's like, it's crazy. And then for me, the crazy part was like cleaning up atthe end, I was like exhausted. I'm like, he's like, we gotta clean up now andI'm like, uh what? That's the hard part. So No, that's awesome. But let's getback to you growing up. I know you grew up in different places, but tell mewhat kind of role did sports play in your life and you have a memory of likewhen you fell in love with it. Yeah. You know, so I played a played footballand lacrosse in high school and lacrosse and ice hockey in college andyeah, yeah, good sports. You what I mean? Like you know, lots of lots ofhit and you know, lots of, yeah, those are good crossover sports for for both.Yeah, definitely. Like lacrosse and ice hockey, you know, very, very sort ofsimilar. I mean on my high school lacrosse team, bunch of the ice hockeyplayers played on that team. We had a bunch of the ice hockey team was alsoall across in college. Uh and you know, it was like there's something like, Idon't know like, like those kinds of sports I thought were really good. Likejust for me, like I am not a good athlete, right? It's just, it's notlike I'm not like a naturally gifted athlete. I was never the star of theteam. I was never, you know, and in college I never scored a goal, not asingle goal. You know, it wasn't really my job. My job is kind of hit people.You were a defenseman in lacrosse. Yeah, Christie had a long pole. Yeah, biglong pole called it six ft of paint. Yeah. My son did to my son, both mysons played lacrosse and hockey. So yeah, it's a great sport. But I feellike, you know those sports were like, I think they were really good for mejust in that like, you know, they teach you how to like you have people rely onyou, you know what I mean? Like, you know, if if I'm dropping my cover, I'mletting the whole team down, you know what I mean? It's not like I'm not justlet myself down and I think it's sort of like team sports are really greatfor stuff like that. Yeah, I think everyone should should play them.Because when you get into kind of real life, as I always say, you know, whereyou're out working and you become part of a team, there's there's trust,there's like you said, you can't let somebody down, you have to rely on yourteammates because you can't do it. All right. I had to rely on my left tackleor my garden, my alignment or my receivers. Any of them screwed up. Theplay wasn't going to work and it's probably no different for you now. Andso I think team sports gives us a good opportunity to learn those skills. Yeah.And then you look at the kitchen kitchens are really set up like teams,I mean they were like you are a team just like you were in high school andcollege you know and like there's something to be said for like justlearning how when you're young like you know learning how to lose like as ateam but also as an individual like learning how to deal with like you knowfailing I think is really really really important because a lot of times youknow I feel like this is something I think you know all sort of middle ageold guys are saying I was like people need to learn how to lose right? Andlike kids like like now like I really don't understand like look man, youknow like you know like you know you hear it all the time where likeeverybody gets a trophy right? I really believe in that. Like look, if you win,you win. If you lose, you lose and you have to learn how to do that, you know?And it's really, I think it's really important because like nobody wins allthe time, you just don't, you know, and like the people that can get like thepeople that are really successful really understand how to fail, you know?Yeah, Yeah. Well you have to understand how to fail to come back from that. Andyou know, one of the things that a lot of people on my show talk about is whenwe were kids, we'd go out into the backyard, we'd go out and play with ourfriends, there's no coaches, no parents and you know, you learned how to winand lose and you just sometimes it got...

...heated, but you walked off togetherafterwards and everything was okay and you came back the next day and youplayed, I think kids miss a little bit of that because everything is soorganized now in sports. Yeah, yeah. Everybody's like just like watching out,you know, I mean, I have a, you know, we were just talking and have adaughter. She's, she's actually five months yesterday and like I really likesports, you know, thanks, thanks. You know, but I wanted like, I know whatsports did for me and I really wanted to play sports, you know, and I want toplay team sports, but like I wanted to also sort of play like, I don't want tobe that guy, you know, And I think like parents are just, they're like, we'retaught now to be so freaked out all the time. Like there's a boogeyman aroundevery corner and there's, you know what I mean? Like you got to walk with thething and the safety and the this and the surveillance and like you put thething on the phone so you can always see where they are. I don't want toknow where she is, I want her to be able to grow up and be a little moreself reliant, you know? Yeah, you know, it is kind of strange because like allthe kids, my kids are older now, they're 26 20 gonna be 24 22 so they'reall older, but you still as a parent, like you still want to know whatthey're doing and, and sometimes they were like, okay dad, it's more of mywife, my wife's like more like, okay, what are they doing? Let's find out.But um you know when they're little, you just kind of want them to tryeverything that was me as a parent, we wanted them to try every sport, findout something you love to do, and then go like my daughter played field hockeyand lacrosse and she was a goalie, she hated the run, so we're like, okay,find something that you don't have to run, you know? So she played goaliegoalie, it was it was perfect, but he's kind of yeah, she had a little bit ofthat intensity, like, like, you know, she would come home from lacrossepractice and should have these bruises all over from, you know, the girls,because the girls don't really know how to shoot, they're just throwing theball at the net and she's just getting drilled and I'm like, put bigger padson, she goes, no we're not, I'll do that, you know? And I'm like, I wouldnot be standing in there and having just crazy people throwing thoselacrosse balls at me, you know? That goes, those goals are nuts. Yeah, Youtake one off to shin that can't feel good. Yeah, but you got a long way togo, you got a long way to go. So I'm excited to see. I'm sure she's going tobe uh at some point she's going to be a really good uh cook as well. So I thinkthat's, you get a lot of bonding, right? Like that's something like, because insports, like I'm standing, I'm not the code from standing on the sidelines. Itry to talk to her, but she didn't want to hear what I have to say, even thoughI played professional sports, but in the kitchen we have a lot of funtogether that she loves to cook. Yeah. And like, you know, it's like, it'sit's super fun, you know everybody can do it, you know what I mean? There'snot really like, you know it's it's a different kind of activity, you know? Ithink with sports that's more like you know she's going to learn how to liketake a ribbing, you know like she's going to learn how to like, you knowlike just you know, kids tease each other like that's what kids do, youknow? I think that's another thing that people are like really freaked outabout. Like I wanted to like you know, go get, go get teased, it's good foryou and I'm thinking you know, they're a little thicker skin. Yeah, just nottake yourself so seriously and like, you know like just you know, learn howto give it back, you know? I think it's always really important too. Oh yeahlocker rooms are really good for that, right, locker rooms, you gotta, youknow, if you can't give it back there tough place, so you learn how to likeyou learn how to take some punches, you learn how to give a few back, you knowwhat I mean? Yeah, it's good, it's good to understand those things I think, youknow, I think there's um you know, like I think there's sometimes there's adearth of like that self reliance or just that inner strength of just beingable to sort of like be your own person, you know what I mean? And know thatlike there are situations that you're going to encounter, that you're not soterrified of it, you know I mean like uh I don't know, like uh like everybody,I think a lot of people like really terrified to get punched in the face,right? Like that's something that people like, I mean, that sounds scaryif you've never been punched in the face, it sounds terrifying, likesomebody's gonna punch me in the face, like, oh, that's that's super scary.And then once you get punched in the face, you're like, it's not that bad.Well, I guess it depends, you know, it's like football, it depends who ishitting me. You know, if it's like a little linebacker, like, Yeah, it's notso bad, but £300 guy that runs a 46 it's a little worse. So you're in highschool and you're playing sports, but then like, what was your path, like,when did the passion for baking cooking, being in the kitchen? What did how didthat start for you? You know, I was actually I was still in high school andI was working at there was a pizza joint my senior year, that was kind oflike all the like, like, like a lot of...

...like a lot of different athletes justkind of worked there. It was sort of like that like if you needed a job itwas like I go work at the pizza place. I grew up in a real small town. And souh yeah, it's great, right? You know, we had three stoplights. Yeah, we hadFox's Pizza, that's where everybody went. Yeah. Right, so the town offronts called sandwich in massachusetts. So yeah, sandwich, pizza. Um you know,funny. And so uh you know, I was I was working there and I was about to go tocollege, I was going to University of Maryland, Baltimore County uh and mybrother had driven up from uh he was going to James Madison time, I droveout to massachusetts to pick me up to then bring me to school. Like he washanging out for a couple of weeks and we're gonna, he was gonna drive me, youknow, we're going to go down to college together and he was going to drop meoff. So, um, you know, he was, he came to the pizza joint and he came back inthe kitchen and he wanted to steak and cheese sandwich. So I was like, allright, you know, I'll make you one. So we're just standing there and he's likeleaning up against the fridge, we're just talking about whatever. And I gotlike the big chunk of stick and I put it on the flat top and I got the twogriddle spatulas, the big ones, and I'm like chopping up the meat on my plateand while I'm doing it the whole time, I'm like talking to my brother and Irealized I was like, wow, my hands are just doing this by themselves. Like I'mgood at this. And it was like the first time that like, I really felt like wow,I'm like good at something and I like doing it, you know, I love food. And sothat was the first time I was like, you know what I mean? I remember like thethe second it happened, that's when I realized I was like, man, I think Iwant to go to culinary school and become a chef. Yeah, that's, that isawesome. So you, you go to University of Maryland Baltimore County. So likewhen you go there, but you know you want to be a chef and go on to culinaryschool, what do you take in class? What, what were your classes? I was a historyand philosophy major. So we created an east asian history and ethics as wellfor some reason. I don't know why, but I think it was, you know, the thingabout college that I really like what I got out of college was, it's not that Ilike learned who Epictetus was or you know what happened in the Tokugawa eraof Japan. Right? But I did learn those things. But the thing I really learnedwas just like how to think and I learned kind of how to learn and likehow to have a little bit of discipline and like all right, if there'ssomething I want to know, I know how to sort of figure it out. You know, likethere's resources in the world that if somebody wants to learn how to build acabinet or change an air filter or you know, uh you know, learn what the localtax law is. You can go find that information and I think like the thingabout college was that it really just kind of teaches you how to think youknow like I feel like you know with philosophy and history like I read alot a lot of books a lot of writing and all the stuff I think was really goodfor him because then later you know now I mean I've written a bunch of booksand I have to do research all the time. I'm a judge on a lot of different showsand you know the field of baking and pastry is always changing and so youknow it's like a lot of chefs are like you can kind of tell like when a chefcame up by their style of cooking a lot of times like people sort of get stuckinto sort of like one sort of era. But when you're on T. V. And you're likeyou know you're judging these things, people are bringing the newest thing toyou and you have to know what you're talking about to judge it. You know Ihave to like the taste of it. Okay you did a good job, you didn't do a goodjob. If it's some weird technique I've never heard of. I don't know if you dida good job or not. I have no clue what kind of. So what kind of technology areyou talking technology or just different Ingredients when you talkabout this it's always changing. What do you what do you mean by that? So uma lot of time like it for a while in like the late 90s early 2000s it wasdefinitely technology right? People were using lots of different stuff youknow like it went from you know a saute pan and some fire to liquid nitrogenand all these like you know different powders and things that they would addand make gels and bubbles and like you know it's all molecular gastronomystuff so you know you have to really keep up with that and then and it'sstill a thing people still do it not as much but there are like you know it wasreally really cool for a while to like you know do this really crazyscientific cooking you know but it was also like it got a little bit snootyand so it kind of died off but while people were doing that people learnedsome really cool things and people just sort of taking those techniques andthey still applied to cooking today. Um But now I think especially with therise of the internet social media, one of the things that you really have tostay on top of is what's happening in the rest of the world. Because nowsomebody could come with a desert, like,...

...you know, here's brigadier, Oh, it'slike a it's like a fudgy thing that comes zil, you know, are like, here's apunchy, which is uh, Pittsburgh, they have punches. He is right. Yeah.They're like my brother, my brother in law calls on the softball sized treat.Yeah, like full of prunes. You know, like it's, you know, it's a weird thing.They fill them with everything up here. I mean, yeah, they're probably like10,000 calories. A piece like one of those punches. These yeah, they made,they made them for all the, all the bollocks back in the day when we didn'thave any money and they just fill them up and said, hey, you probably weren'tgoing to eat the rest of the day, so here's here's something that will fillyou up and keep you going, All the factory workers here in Pittsburgh,Yeah, you know, I get that, because, you know, everything has an evolution,even like the NFL on sports, things changed across, technology has changed.My good friend was an all american in college, I was in the Hall of Fame forAcross, and he said, when we played, there was no pocket, like, you have tojust learn how to, like, if somebody hit you, that ball was coming out, soyou learn how to keep it away from them. Now, the pockets a little deeper, therules change, and I'm sure it's the same thing, and it's amazing that yousaid, I could just imagine when you first started baking, like, you knewwhat was around you, you really weren't, you couldn't see other city statesunless you went there and now you can see other countries, other kitchens,other, everybody's on the internet. So you probably learn exponentially, howdoes that relate to school? Like you think culinary schools are kind ofdoing that? Are they just kind of say this is what we teach and that's it. No,I mean culinary schools are they have to be on top of it. I went to theculinary Institute of America out in California. It's a fantastic school.But I mean, you know, go back all the time. I do demos and I do lectures andstuff for the kids. Like I have seen like how it has evolved is justincredible. When I went there, it was state of the art. When I look back atwhat I was learning in like in the lens of today, it's like the Stone Age. Imean it's amazing. It is amazing. But they really keep up and they really,they've had to um they've had to diversify to when I went there. Youlearn how to cook. Yeah, you learn now you are learning how to market yourself,you're learning about brands, you're learning about, you know, you're doinga lot, they're doing a lot more math. It's like it's really changed a lot andlike the kinds of degrees that you can get now are just varied. I mean when Iwent there you got a degree in baking and pastry or you got a degree inculinary right? Sweet or savory right now they got you know, all kinds ofdifferent degrees and I mean, you know kids are really like now they have likereal like a whole food science programs so like, you know you can go there andlike maybe I don't want to be a chef. You know, maybe I want to design theperfect burrito, right? And this is where you learn how to do stuff likethat. Like you know how like, you know when you go to like the Dorito factory,I mean like you know if you ever wondered why you eat the whole bagbecause those guys think Doritos has like they have like food psychologiststhat work for them and they figure out like the perfect crunch, the perfectthickness, the right like you know like tensile strength of a. That's crazy toreally give you like the most satisfying crunch that they can. It's areally fascinating, fascinating uh field of study, but you can learn thatstuff now. So yeah, culinary schools have definitely like kept up. Yeah. Youknow that that's very interesting. I think all like think about football right when wewere growing up, you really only knew about like the guys on the field, right?That was the only part of football that anybody knew. And I've done um kind offield trips for people to say no, there's so many other jobs in footballthat you can be part of a football team, right? There's the trainer, the thestrength coach, the coach, the general manager of the front office staff. Thenthere's like you said marketing and there's all these different and thenthere's data and analytics now that are just exploding. And so there's so manycomponents and with the internet and everything, it's it's exploded likethat. And it's amazing that they're very similar right? Because back in theday coaches just said We're going to run the ball, get 33 yards and a cloudof dust and then, you know, they started winging it and now we see whatwe get today. Like, guys are throwing...

...for 4000 yards every year. It's crazy.So I want to know what I always wanted toknow was when you bake these, these cakes, right? And you're doing theseshows and you're in competitions. What happens with the cakes? Like are theydonated? You know what I mean? Because you're making these incredible things?Well, you know, it's funny like, you know, you've been around a lot of media,you know, you've seen plenty of film crews in your day. The film crews arelike biblical plagues of Locusts where they just consume everything in theirpath. So all that food, like all those guys just eat that stuff, you can'treally donate it because it's like a prepared food. A lot of times nations,you know, they've got to be, you know, they've got to be like seal, they gottabe in can't, you know, it has to be something that can, that's, that's notperishable. But for, you know, cake that we've been working on, they just,they just crush them. You know, they just crush it. Yeah. I mean I'vewatched so many of your shows and it's amazing to see the timeline and thenall of a sudden it's like you guys are making this monster K I think you didStar Wars, right? Did you do a Star Wars one? Yeah. It's there just massive.There's all these components and parts and your team's working. Then theyshove it into a half hour show on, on the network and it's like wait, thathad to take way longer. Like the stress level had to be incredible. How do youget, how do you get your team to deal with the stress? You know, you're likea quarterback, you got to manage all these things and you know, they're allof a sudden something falls apart, There's a blitz and I got to figure outwhat to do. Um you know, my my strategy for like getting the best out of peopleis making sure that everybody is having the maximum amount of fun that they canum when, when you're enjoying yourself, especially in something kind ofartistic like this, you know, and also like, you know, playing sports, I mean,you know, if you're out there and you're having a good time, like you'regonna be, you're gonna be having fun, you jump around the field, you know,you're tired and you catch the ball like, you know, you're gonna belaughing having a good time. You know, when you're frustrated and you've seenthat, you know, I'm sure you have, when you're frustrated, you're not doinggood work. You know, when you're, when you're, when you're mad, when you're,when you're, you know, you're all kind of nodded up inside, you're not doingyour best work when you're really having fun, that's when you're reallygetting the best out of people and get the best out of yourself, becausethat's when it's effortless, right? When you're having fun, it just flowsout of you, You know, it's like, it's like music the same thing, you know,when you're playing music, like, you know, if you're just sitting there andyou're just focused on like, okay, a a sharp CC flat, you know, like it'sgonna sound like that, but when you're like, when you're loose and you'reenjoying it and you're hearing all the other instruments and you're justplaying, that's when you get amazing music, you know? And so what I try todo is like, even though like everybody wants to win, right? And like I say allthe time on television, I'm like, oh, I don't care about winning, like that'snot why I'm here, I'm just trying to do. Yeah, I do. Of course I do. Everybodydoes, you know what I mean? Everybody cares about winning and losing. Youwant to win. Um And so you know what I try to do is I try to get everybody tonot focus about winning and losing, but really having a good time because Iknow that like we are all just bad assets, right? We're all really, reallygood at what we do that. I know that if we're not thinking about winning andjust having a good time and doing our best job and doing work that we will beproud of that will make us win because we're just that good, you know what Imean? And that's, it sounds a little cocky, but it's like that's theattitude you have to have, you know, for something like this, you know, likewhen you're competing and being judged in the arts, it's a, it's just a, it'sa weird thing. It's a weird concept, you know? So you gotta be enjoying it,you know? Well, yeah, and you have to be you right, you can't be somebodyelse. Like when you're an artist, I think that you have to, you know, youcan't say the judge wants to see this well no, you have to be you and if ifyou're not you, that's what the judges see. Like it shows in your work. I mean,I've watched a ton of those shows. I mean, I love to eat too. So I watchedall those shows. So hey, everyone, we are talking with Duff Goldman fromcharm city cakes. We're gonna take a quick commercial break. We'll be rightback. Yeah, uh huh. Hey, how come up with us listenersmanscaped. Well, they sent me, uh, they hooked me up with a bunch of tools andformulations for their package, three point oh Kit. So you know, I want toshow you guys what's in the perfect package. Right? We all think we got aperfect package, but they sent me the perfect package. Three point oh kid, Iwant to show you what they sent me. So it was crazy. It came in this great box.Uh, you know, and you can see what it...

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...lawnmower. Uh Use the code Gus Frerotte,save 20% and get free shipping and uh order some great manscaped products. Yeah. Uh huh. All right. Hey, when we're back onhuddle up with Gus, we're talking with Duff Goldman from charm city cakes. Wewere just talking about competition and what he gets his team to do and how hegets them to perform so well, the other question I had for you death was, haveyou ever recruited an artist away from another group? Like, I think there, youknow, because there's gotta be some amazing talent out there and and uh youknow, I don't I don't know how that works, like I've uh Yeah, so uh so myfirst bakers in Baltimore and um you know, it's a pretty small town, right?You know, like it's not a huge city, and so, you know, there's a there'slike, you know, there's there's town of people, there there's a fantastic artschool. Um And that's where I was getting a lot of my employees there. Itwasn't so much that I like, I poached anybody from another cake shop, but alot of my employees were working at. There was a restaurant called theGolden West, Fantastic restaurant. Really good chef. If everybody's inBaltimore, go to the Golden West, fantastic food. But it was also wherelike kind of like what sandwich pizza was for me and my friends in highschool. The Golden West was for kids that went to the art school inBaltimore. A lot of the kids that went to that school would work at the GoldenWest, it was just a place to work. And um so I know when I I found there waslike a group of artists that I really, really liked and they were allfantastic and they were interning for me and I eventually hired them all andI think like in the span of like six months I think I took like five of thisguy's employees and I went in there one time to eat and like you know he satdown and we were like hanging out, he kind of like let me have it like he waslike man you know ha ha he keeps stealing my boys, he's like seriouslyman stop saying my point like he was like superman, it's like dude I didn'tmeet. Oh yeah, well I mean but you gotta get talent like for what you doand then the creations you make, you gotta have talent right? They got toand you've got to find it. Um And that has to be ongoing probably for you withall the new technologies and everything coming out today definitely. So tell melike just watching like cake decorators now, I mean like you know like back inthe day, like during a tea cakes and like the mid two thousands like, youknow, we were like, yeah, you know those guys are amazing and like, man,you see people now And it's like, we're like how they do that. I'm sure you'veseen kids like that because you do kids baking shows and things like that, andyou're like, this kid's incredible. Yeah, man, there was a kid, he was 12years old and he made a a mosaic out of cupcakes. That was that looked like themona lisa. Oh my God, 12 years old, man, I'm coming for me. It's like those guysthat like, you ever see the guys, they take like Rubik's cubes and they'lllike make the colors, you know? But then they'll make a whole like art outof them. And I'm like, how do you even think about, I don't know, they musthave some algorithm on their computer unless their brain is just sure. Ithink a lot of it, you know a lot of it is uh to it's it's a form of musclememory that like you know I mean some of it is straight out muscle memory alot of times like with painting, you know when you're like using a brush inyour painting, you know a lot of that is kind of muscle memory like whenyou're when you're piping you know with like um But then like you knowsometimes like when you're when you're doing things that are like for examplemosaics that you know look one way but then as you kind of step back you kindof sort of see what it is. Um A lot of that is sort of like a it's like amental muscle memory sort of kind of understand like how pixels work. Yeah you can kindof see in pixels you know you can while you can you have to see the end resultbut you have to have a blank landscape like that's really difficult for mebecause I'm not an artist and I have a hard time with that, you know what Imean? Like I wasn't my my brain but you guys you have to see this whole whenyou're creating these incredible art sculptures um from things that I can goand eat, it's amazing. You have to be able to see it all and I think that'sjust that's just pretty amazing. You do have to see it but you have to have agood idea of what you want, right? And you know like you sketch it you know totry to get it down on paper so you can really kind of wrap your head around it.Sometimes you got to pull it out of...

...there and look at it before you canreally see it. But the other thing you really got to do is you got to beflexible and you have to understand that a lot of times like this happensto me almost every single time I make a big cake, I have an idea of what I wantand then we'll start building it and design problems will happen, ortechnological problems will happen. You know, we'll just, there's things thatare like, oh, I didn't think about that, or I didn't think about like this thingand so we have to do is when you're creating these things, it's like reallybe flexible and be able to um you know, sort of say like, okay, uh this is whatI wanted, it's going in that direction, but I feel like I might have to take aleft turn over here because, you know, something's not working out and I haveto be okay with that. And what it does is instead of forcing it, right? And,and just being like, nope, this is what I want, this is what it has to be whenyou're a little bit more flexible. You see that like things just have like abetter key, They just flow, you know, you would make a great coach becausethere are coaches that coach in the NFL that say this is our offense and thisis what I run, right? So then they recruit guys are good players, but theydon't understand that offense and they don't fit in and they're trying to makea mold into that. And I've had coaches do that with me where I am like, I wasa certain type of quarterback and I'd go, I went to the West Coast system andI didn't fit that great into their right. It was a lot different for meand it was like that, like they didn't want to bend, they didn't want to mold,you know, the one game we had to, we were behind by two touchdowns. So thenI'm throwing these long passes down the field and everything, but the coacheswho said, okay, when Gus gets in, this is how he plays and we got to go withhis talents and his strength, everything felt better. You know, it'samazing how similar it is. Yeah, it really is. I mean, you know, and it'slike, look, you know, you're like, instead of trying to force it, right ifyou're not, you know, a certain kind of quarterback, like, you know, if you'renot going to be throwing out, but like, you know, you got a really great overthe middle or some like that, you know, like, Yeah, like, if they're trying toforce you to like, you know, either bomb it down the field or like, youknow, like, be like a laser beam in there, if that's not your thing, thenyou're gonna force it and it's going to fall apart, you know what I mean? Butwhen it's like, okay, this is what this guy is good at, go for it, you know,it's the same like in my in the shops, like, I have people that are reallygreat painters, right? Some people that are really great sculptors, some peoplethat are really good at like, photo realistic stuff and have some peoplethat are really good at more abstract stuff and everybody can kind of doeverything, but there's definitely people that have certain strengths. Andso instead of being like, okay, you I know that you're a great sculptor, butI'm gonna make you hand paint this entire thing. It's like, I mean, yeah,that's been done. But there's other people that would be so much better ifyou've got eight months, I'll do it. Yeah. So, all right. So if you had totake a quarterback that's playing today and you had to bring them in to helpyou create a cake, who would you want? Like, what's your ideal quarterback?Like, I can see like, I mean, I've seen your shows, um and you kind of know how,I mean, every quarterback is different, right? Lamar? Jackson runs around,Kyler Murray runs around. You know, there's some guys are just drop back.So what quarterback would you want in your kitchen? Oh man. Um I don't know. I, I feel likeI have to go with Lamar, right? And, and like not just because I love theRavens and we're gonna win the Super Bowl this year, but I'm gonna have togo with Lamar because he is like a swiss army knife, you know what I mean?He can do so many different things and he really kind of understands like Ijust, I feel like he's just operating at a different frequency than mostpeople. You know, like, I mean, you know, like, you know, his first seasonlast year, like you kept hearing announcers when they would watch them.They're just like, it's like watching a cheat code. You know, I'm like Maddenand it's like it really is. I mean he makes it look effortless, you know? AndI mean, he's like he's making moves that like his running backs, like, Imean, you gotta teach me that, that was amazing. You know what I mean? Like Ijust, I just feel like he's like he sees like two seconds into the futureor something. I mean it's just, he's an incredible, incredible athletes, right?And then you've got a guy like tom brady who never leaves between thetackles. But I like I grew up in massachusetts, you know, I graduatedhigh school massachusetts, like, you know, I was supposed to really justlove the patriots, but then I moved to Baltimore and the Ravens became a teamand they just sort of, they became my team, right? The Ravens, you know thatthe year that they became a team. I was like, man, these guys got swagger. Theyare funny, I love these guys, they're...

...scrappy. I like, I'm a Ravens fan nowand I just never wanted to like tom brady. I just, I was just like, I justnever going to like him. I just, you sound like a person in Pittsburgh afterthis year. Like watching him when that super bowl with the bucks, like I'mlike, you know what man, that he's amazing. He is just amazing, that guy.It's just incredible. Yeah. His mind works differently, you know, to be ableto play that long, to understand the, the defense is to go into a brand newoffense and to say that I'm going to accept what you want me to kind of bbut here's what I know, here's what I like, it's what we were talking aboutearlier. They went in, Bruce. Arians has his own style, you know, And Ithink it just all, it took a while to work. It didn't happen right awaybecause they weren't very good to begin the season, but you know, it kind ofall fell in as part of it. Um brady does that a lot, you know like you know,it's like gets a shaky start, but like it doesn't matter like that's the thing.It's like, man, you can be, you can be playing the Patriots, you could be upby three touchdowns, maybe four minutes left. You are not safe. You are notsafe. I know, I know, it was like, I mean I've played against them,everybody's played against them and they've all experienced the same thingslike please do not let tom get the ball with any time left on the clock orsomething. It's not gonna end well for us, right? Yeah, Right Roethlisberger,you know, it's the same thing like I hate saying because God, that guyfrustrates me so good. But I tell you man, it doesn't matter what ishappening down the field, when there is just there is like a certain way thathe plants his foot and you know the game is over and you're like as soon ashe puts his foot down there like uh football is so good, so frustrating. Umyou know, I started my career in Washington which I loved. It was it wasjust so much fun back in the day. Um but you know when I think about whateverything we talked about when there's all you like you can go to school forcooking, right? I went to, I played football in college, you go to you knowyou do all these things and then all of a sudden I go to professional level,which is what you are now and you don't really know how somebody's going tohandle it until they're in the fire, you know what I'm saying? Like there'sall these kids that tryout for the NFL every year and they don't make it likethey go through pre season, they don't they all of a sudden they're in thegame, they can't remember anything. Do you find out with sometimes with peoplethat come in like there in the mix and you're like, it's just not working out.Yeah. Yeah and there's like, you know, you can kind of tell um like you knowlike you can sort of see it, you know like who's going to sort of be able tokind of deal with, you know the cooking industry and kind of who isn't, youknow, but you definitely like, you know, you can you can have some kid who's asuperstar in culinary school, right, culinary school is great and I went andI you know, I think that you know, anybody who wants to cook, you knowit's a it's a good route to go, you don't 100% have to, but it's a goodgood way to go right, like you don't have to play in college to play in theNFL, but it's pretty get the NFL exactly like, you know, unless you'reunless you're Mark wahlberg, you know right, you're just going to playsomebody who played Yeah. Um But yeah, you kind of see like, you know likeonce when you get to like, you know once you get out of school and you getinto the world you're doing it, it's totally different, right? I meanculinary school will teach you the sugar content of an onion, they willteach you 50 different ways to slice it and you know, 100 different ways tocook it, but until you get out in the real world and somebody hands you asack of £50 of onions and says dice that, you don't know how to do that,you know what I mean? Like, you know? And so that's like that's there'sthere's a there's a big difference between sort of like the things youlearn in culinary school and then the things you learn in the real world. Andso like for me like I worked at a lot of restaurants before I went toculinary school, you know, I worked like like I said at Mcdonald's, Iworked a lot of different fast food joints, then I worked in other places,I worked at like a breakfast joint, I worked at the pizza place. I worked ata fine dining restaurant in Baltimore actually to them. And so you you umlike going into culinary school, I had the sort of the chops. So like theteachers like, you know that like they didn't have to teach me like all right,this is how you cut a strawberry, this is how you clean a melon, you know, orsomething like that. Like, you know, I already had all that knowledge. And soit just kind of helps because that way like, you know, when when you startgetting into like, you know, the more advanced stuff, you you're you're readyfor it. Well you don't have to think, right, That's what it's like being aquarterback when you have to think about what you're doing, it never turnsout well when you can just play because...

...you know what you're doing, like secondnature kind of things. It always goes better like for you, you probably andnow you get all these things put in front of you don't even have to think.It's just like what you were saying about when you cooked that steak foryour brother, right? The Hopi right? You just weren't even thinking you werejust doing. Yeah, that's what I think. What makes people really good. Yeah.Like with judging like being on television now like, you know, it'slike, you know, I can like, you know, I can taste something. I'm like, allright, there's I can taste there is too much baking soda or I can taste thatyou over mixed it or you know, I can feel you overmix it or you forgot thesalt or this would be much better with cloves than cinnamon. You know, thingslike that like, you know, and that's things that like, you can't learn that school, you know,like you just like that just takes experience and it's like you just youdon't really get that until you're older, you know what I mean? Like youhave to just get that experience, you know, for years and years and years andyears and really start to, you know, before you can you can kind of do thatwhere you like that's how your brain works. Like, you know, I can tastesomething and I'll be like, all right, this is you know, this is what's inhere, this is what should have been in here, This is what, you know, this iswhat's working, this is what it's a weird thing. Yeah. You know, I likewhat you're doing to what I've done, right, because I tell kids all the time,you just got to work hard and hopefully the best can happen for you. You know,is it the same because there's not There's not a ton of really well knownbaked bakers out there, there's a lot of people that try it, but you knowwhat I mean? There's only 32 quarterbacks in the NFL every week,right? So there's not a lot of like, what do you, what advice do you give topeople when they ask you? I'm sure you get asked all the time, what should Ido? What advice would you give people like when people like, like a lot ofsense, well, you know, I'd like to I'd like a career in television, you know,and I'm like, you know, the best way to get on television is to be awesome atsomething, right, be the best one that you can possibly be, be the best one inyour city, you know, whatever it is, whatever you're doing, if you're abaker, if you're a cook, if you're you know whatever it is that you're doingbe the best one you can and then if you know tv kind of like has itssearchlight out and it's looking around then it might find you but if itdoesn't find you you're still the best one of that thing in your city or thecountry or you know whatever I mean you know there's a there's a lot of bakersout there that are absolutely amazing you know much much better than me andlike they're they're just like they're dedicated to the craft you know andthat's what a lot of times like people that like if the desire is I want to beon tv that usually come coming from somebody a little bit younger right?It's not really something that like you know somebody who's had a little bitmore experience would say because as you go through it and you're you'reworking in your craft and you're getting better at it and you'rerefining it and getting you know, finding more and more deeper meaning towhat you're doing and when you're finding like real fulfillment in theexecution of, of craft, you find that like, you know, like fame and notorietyand you know, all that stuff, you just don't really care about it as much, youknow what I mean? Like, like for me it's a job and like I like you know andI mean that in a good way, like I treat being on tv like I treat decorating acake or baking a loaf of bread, it's a craft, right? Being a being from thecameras, a craft and something that like, you know, I'm really trying toget better. I didn't understand that for a long time to like, well nervous.Were you the first time you were in front of the camera? Tell me about that,because like, my first game I ever played in, I mean, it's like, I'mthrowing up in the bathroom on, like, my stomach's curling, like, now, youknow, this is you've just been, you know, been a bigger now. It's like, I'mon the show, it's, you know, they're telling you, it's going to go out toall these people. Were you nervous the first time? You know, it's funny, like,I don't know why this is, but like, I've never really had stage fright, youknow what I mean? Like, I kind of like, I'm like, I was a class clown, I was,you know, I'm a pretty big goofball, you know what I mean? Like, it's sortof like, and I've never really like, um like, I don't know, I've never beensort of afraid of that stuff. Like, I'm sure you've done a lot of like, youknow, like personal appearances, right? Where you go and do like a lecture at acollege or something. So I do, I do a lot of them. And the first time like,you know, my agency called me up like, hey, uh do you want to go talk to like1000 college students and in an auditorium? I was like, sure, why not?So they booked it, you know? And I went and it was, I think it was atUniversity of Maryland, at a college park. And so I went down there like,you know, I went into this big auditorium, was all these kids in thereand I'm about to like go out on stage and the like, you know, there's likethe stage manager and like all the...

...people that kind of like brought methere and the people that signed the check, you know all those guys, they'reall there and so like you know I'm about to go out there and I was likehey what do you guys want me to talk about? And they were like uh you don'tknow what you're going to talk about? I was like no, I I thought like you guysmight have like a you know, a topic that you wanted me to discuss and theywere like no, and I was like okay we'll figure it out. And so I walk out onstage and I you know just started talking and hanging out and tellingstories and you know and um it was like it was hilarious, right? It was reallyfunny and it just like it kind of like went off without a hitch. And so I feellike like I just sort of like I've never been afraid to talk to a camera,like talk to a crowd. And so like the first time they ever like kind ofturned the camera on, I was like, I'm just gonna be myself, right, I'm not anactor right? Like when I try to act, it's so obvious, I have a new showcalled Duff's Happy Fun bake time. Yeah, it's me baking with puppets and it waslike a scripted show and like I'm you know, I'm not an actor and it's it ispainfully obvious. But the thing is like, it totally works because like allthe people around, it's all puppets and these are all like these incrediblepuppeteers that work for the Jim Henson company, like they're just they'reamazing. And so there's like a certain like there's like something veryendearing about it, you know what I mean? Like if you get caught up in thepuppet or do you know like the person like running the puppet, right? Becausedo you get caught up like finding that you're talking to the puppet, like yourminds like talking to this puppet, but not really the person, you know whatI'm saying for me? Honestly like, like talking to the puppets was just liketalking to anybody else. Yeah, I wasn't like I wasn't really thinking about theperson but like, like you know this is who I was talking to and uh but youknow, it's like, you know, so so like I was saying I'm just I'm not an actor.And so I think the first time when they sort of put me in front of the camerajust started talking and just being myself and you know, that's what I tellpeople that are you know like coming onto television to they asked me a lotlike you know how do you like you know how do you do this? You know you'repretty good at like sort of judging something like like what I try to dohonestly is like when you're when you're in T. V. Uh you know this likeall the camera guys like everybody is trained to be absolutely silent rightwhile you're while you're doing your thing. So my goal I'm trying to makethe camera guy laugh and I sometimes get really close every once in a whileI'll get him to laugh right. But it's it's really hard to get those guys tolaugh. Yeah but if I'm getting those guys to laugh the people at home arelaughing. Yeah so you don't get nervous in front of the camera. you have a goodpersonality for all that. But then you've made some cakes for someincredible people, You know, like Katy perry lady gaga. You've done cakes forall kind of people now. Do you get nervous? Like to make their cake right,Because they might have high expectations and all, you know what Imean? It's a little different. Yeah. You know um there was there was onlyone time I was ever nervous making a cake and uh it was for George Lucas.Yeah. And just, you know, the thing of the thing is like, Like Star Wars, likeI've grown up with Star Wars, you know, I was born in 70 for the first one cameout in 77. And like it's been a part of my life since I can remember how manyStar Wars lego sets I put together with my kids. Millennium fell into the Deathstar Everything. You've got a great with icing and cake. Yeah. So we were,we got to go to marin County and make a cake for George Lucas at the SkywalkerRanch. I mean it was like the most amazing experience I've ever had and itwas just incredible. So you're nervous when you're bringing an end for him.Yeah, I mean, you know when, when, when, you know he walked in like I didn'tknow he was going to be there. You know, I was already freaking out because wewere at lucasfilm. You know what? I've been trying to get on that place for along time and then George Lucas walked in and like, I like I was terrifiedbecause I mean, you know the thing is, is like just like he just means a lotto me, you know what I mean? Like the guy like like he made it cool to likebe it kind of nerdy you know like like he made like space magic cool laserswords and you know spaceships and aliens and all this stuff like he justmade it cool you know? And I think that like just the mythology that he createdyou know and and what that means to so many people it's just like I don't knowit was really exciting. And so when I met him I was like I kind of threw upin my mouth, what did you make for him? It was a it was a life size working R.two d. 2. Oh my god. Yeah. Have you...

...ever met a real art uh uh R. C. Threepo and R. Two D. Two. You ever met those guys that were in those costumes?No I haven't. I've seen the ad like the costumes. I like I've seen the robotsbut I've never met Anthony Daniels. Yeah. I've met him a few times. It'spretty really pretty interesting. Yeah. I'm like wasn't that thing hot? He goesup several times. Yeah. That's awesome that you made him that. Yeah. That hadto be very nerve wracking. Like like a tom brady called and he wants me tomake him a Tampa bay buccaneers helmet. I don't know. I think you could screwthat one up a little bit. I don't know. I actually met tom brady once at a bestbuddies event in boston. And um I like got out of the car and he was like youknow he was he was there and I was like hey you know, nice to meet you, I'mduff. And he was like oh you're tough. I was like yeah yeah. He was like, I'mtom and I was like, oh yeah, I didn't realize it was you. And he kind of justfunny look and I was like, yeah, I just, every time I see it got Ray Lewislaying on top of, Yeah, yeah, you're Ravens fan. So all right, so Ravenshave these great rivalries with the Steelers, right? And and browns kind ofnot really the Bengals, but All right. So if you had to say your rival in theindustry, who would it be? Oh man. I don't know. I don't really Idon't, There's one guy you you got to go up and get like, I got, I gotta getthis guy. Mhm. I mean, I like, so I really don't. It's just it's not likethat, like even when we compete like, so I don't know if, you know BuddyValastro, he's the cake boss. Um you know, we do this show called Buddyversus duff every year because like, you know like we like, we both kind ofdo like sort of big crazy cakes. Yeah, it's like every year it gets bigger andbigger like for like the 100 ton crane to have to bring in the cakes at somepoint. Dude, I mean we like, you know like I've gotten really good at drivinga forklift. Yeah, it's like something they didn't teach you that in culinaryschool. No, no, I like, you know, I did a lot of construction when I wasyounger so I know how to drive like a bobcat and like a front end loader andstuff like never drove a forklift before. Especially when was carrying acake. I mean it's just, it's crazy. It's crazy. Oh yeah, that had the firsttime you got in and said I could do this was probably a little nervewracking. Got £100 cake on there. It's never, not nerve wracking. I was doingit a couple of weeks ago and it was nerve racking. I would think that itwould be nerve lacking like, you know, because you make some incrediblewedding cakes and things like that for people and this was their biggest day,right? These people are getting married, it's the biggest day, then they wantthese extravagant cakes and you've got to build it in your room, in yourkitchen and then all of a sudden I gotta lift it, put it on a van, take itto this place without it falling apart. That that has to be more nerve rackingthan anything, you've done it, you know, it really is, you know, that's thething, it's like you don't want to ruin someone's day and the cake is important,you know, the cake is important, I mean, that is, you know, it's a very, it's afocal point of, you know, every wedding, it's a focal point of every, you knowwhat I mean, the cake is really, really important and like, you don't want tobe the one to mess it up, you know, and and I think the nice thing is, is that,Like, you know, I've I've been in business since March of 2002 and liketo this day like that, it's like one of my, it's like one of my mantra as almost,it's like, like this cake means so much to somebody, you know, and it's notjust weddings, everything, you know, it's a birthday cakes or you know,whatever it is in the making, it's like, this might be the, You know, the 50thcake I've made that week, you know? But this cake means a lot to somebody andit means just as much to this person as the first cake I made this week and Iwas like, all fresh and ready to go right now. I'm like, yeah, this casecan be awesome. And now I'm making like, you know, the 50th one, it's still thatimportant. And I think that that's what really helps, you know, like to besuccessful in this is to be consistent. Yeah. And I think the biggest thing isyou're being consistent and and making sure like this is the care and the lovethat I put into this cake and I'm going to put that care and love into everysingle cake I make, it sounds like you're a great coach, so you you kindof transfer that over to your team, Right? Yeah. You have to do this everytime. And I think that's wonderful. Yeah, consistency. And you know, youknow where I learned consistency. McDonald's McDonald's, that's all aboutright, rolling into you man. Yeah, yeah,...

...they do. They do. They do. So all right.So I'm turning 50 in July. What kind of cake should I get? Mm um, I don't know. We could do like what ifwe did like a, like a cement wall with like a bunch of cracks in it? Would youmake me one like that? I think it was funny. I love to see it. I think it'dbe great. Well instagram it and we put it on live on facebook and then I'm notgoing to reenact it, but I think it would be really a lot of fun to do.Yeah, I mean, it won't hurt as much. No, no, no. You know what I mean? I wishthat wall would have been made out of cake because that maybe it had been alittle bit different, right? Maybe that maybe that's what I thought. Maybe Ithought it was kate because I scored a touchdown and wanted to celebrate. Yeah.You know, what are you gonna do when you were playing for the skins? Right?Yeah. You were playing the Giants. It was a huge game. I had all that stuffgoing on in my life with my kids and the coach was on me and I scored thistouchdown and just felt like everything came off my shoulders and I just ran upto jump off the wall and end up, you know, doing doing what I did. And thenI turned around and Jamie Asher, my tight end slapped me inside of the head,you know, because that's what you do when you score a touchdown or somebodyelse, did you smack him in the head? And then I was I was loopy and had togo to the hospital and the rest of it is only in front of like 70 millionpeople that day or something. That's a big deal. Sometimes, I don't think I'llever forget it, right? I my kids, I'll always be on ESPN for, not for goodstuff, but what are you gonna do if you can't laugh about it? What do you knowwhat I mean? It's just gonna yeah, totally, so when we make the cake willdo like um we'll do like uh like a maroon and yellow smear kind of on ittoo, you know? Oh, that's perfect, that's perfect. It would be a, you know,I think my wife would action kids would absolutely love that because I have tohear about it all the time. To what you gonna do. We laugh about it. But so, soI appreciate you joining me and spending some time with me, but tellall of our fans and everybody who's listening how they can follow you andwhere they can go to, you know, kind of find you. I mean, you're doing so many.What shows should we watch? Where should we go to watch you on tv now?Gotcha. So if you uh if you get Discovery Plus, um Duff's happy, funbake Time is streaming on there. That's the puppet show. It's like, it's a kidsshow, but it's really for everybody, it's more like pee wee's playhouse, youknow? Yeah, remember that then. Um if you see, if you're watching FoodNetwork, um I think starting in july is Buddy versus Duff season three, andI'm here in Knoxville right now. We are filming holiday baking championship,spring baking championship and kids baking championship. Uh so that will,those will start airing right around thanksgiving. So, and then you canfollow me on social media, it's all you know at Duff Goldman. So the bodyversus what's the tagline this year? Go big or go home? I don't know, I mean,it's like, what else can you guys do? Um So our tagline was dumb anddangerous, dumb and big, dumb and dangerous. There's got to be flamesshooting out everywhere. Don't get too close, you could get electrocuted,There was there was some dangerous, very dangerous stuff that That'sawesome. That's awesome. Well done. Ai thank you man and hopefully we can stayin touch. I seriously would love to get a cake from you for my fit. I think itwould be classic. You know, it would be an honor to be really cool. We lovethat. That would be great. But I appreciate you taking your time and youknow, it was just amazing to me that, yeah, you have sports in your history,competition and, and you sound like a good coach for your team and there's,there's so many similarities to sports and what you're doing and people don'tunderstand that, but I think you brought it to life today. Thank you.Thanks. I appreciate it. Yeah. So, hey, enjoy your time. I want to welcome. Imean, I want to thank everyone for joining me on how to up with gusts. Iwant to thank Duff Goldman for joining me and telling us his amazing story andhearing a little bit about how sports and baking are very comparative in theworld today and how you were all growing with technology, especially inthe baking industry. So, thank you again, Duff. And thanks to um, 16 31Digital News dot com. Thanks to Sounder FM. I appreciate all of you, and we'llsee you next time on huddle up with gusts and that's a wrap sports Fan. Thanksfor joining in the fun at the 16 31 digital studios for another to huddleup with Gus, featuring 15 Year NFL quarterback Gus Ferrand huddle up with.Gus Is proudly produced by 1631 digital...

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