Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

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Dr. Thom Mayer

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Joining me in the Huddle this week is one of my closest friends, Dr. Thom Mayer. Our story goes way back to the early days of my Pro career in Washington D.C. Thom tells how we met at Redskins park and how that day created our longtime friendship. 

Thom has also been the Medical Director for the NFL Players Association since 2001. He became director when his good friend, Hall of Famer, Gene Upshaw. Gene was the head of the NFLPA and asked Thom to be Medical Director because the NFLPA did not have one. Thom has used his expertise to define the NFL players' medical leadership. 

He is from Anderson, Indiana, and went to Hanover College, where he played linebacker and center. He had a tryout in the NFL but realized he needed to go down a different path. He was accepted to medical school at Duke and completed his residency in Utah, where he met Maureen. Thom and Maureen has 3 kids and 4 grandkids

Dr. Mayer is Founder and Chief Executive Officer of BestPractices, Inc., Executive Vice President of EmCare, the Medical Director for the NFL Players Association and Clinical Professor of Emergency Medicine at George Washington University, and a Senior Lecturing Fellow at Duke University. He is one of the most widely-sought speakers on healthcare customer service, trauma, and emergency care, pediatric emergency care, medical leadership, and sports medicine. He has published over 70 peer-reviewed articles, 75 book chapters and has edited or written 12 textbooks on emergency medicine, including Leadership for Great Customer Service: Satisfied Patients, Satisfied Employees, Leadership for Smooth Patient Flow, Hardwiring Flow, and Strauss and Mayer's Emergency Department Leadership: Principles and Applications. Tom Peters, the internationally acclaimed leadership guru, has referred to his work as "gasp-worthy." Dr. Mayer was named the ACEP Outstanding Speaker of the Year in the second year the award was given and has twice been named ACEP's "Over-the-Top" award winner. On September 11, 2001, Dr. Mayer served as one of the Command Physicians at the Pentagon Rescue Operation, coordinating medical assets at the site. The BestPractices physicians at Inova Fairfax Hospital were the first to successfully diagnose and treat inhalational anthrax victims during the fall 2001 anthrax crises. Dr. Mayer has served on the Department of Defense on Defense Science Board Task Forces on Bioterrorism, Homeland Security, and Consequences of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Dr. Mayer also serves as a Medical Director for the Studer Group. 

...welcome to what surely will be a doozy of a matchup. Brian. Here, sports fans. Whether your game is on the gridiron, at the diamond or on the links, we can only say mhm. Welcome to this week's huddle up with gusts. 15 year NFL quarterback Gus parents' passion for sports has taken him on the field and behind the bench is playing for seven NFL franchises with 114 TVs under his belt. Gust knows who the players are and how the games are. One. Uh, it's not every day you get to hang out with an NFL quarterback up. Okay, sports fans from the decked out and plush 16 31 digital studios. It's kick off time, so snap your chin straps on and get ready to huddle up with Gus. But again, a big so much. Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of Huddle Up with Gus. I'm your host. Gusts for about 15 year NFL quarterback And, uh, I think it's been almost two years now of podcasting for me, So it's been crazy. I want to welcome you to the 16 31 digital news studio, or what I call my daughter's bedroom And also I want to thank sounder FM for hosting our podcast. So sounder FM in 16. 31 our partners that I'm really glad that there are partners because they make life a lot easier for me. So today I'm joined by a very old friend. Uh, not that he's old, I'm old, but we've been friends for a long, long time, and I can't wait. I you know, I try to do justice to the story, Tom, about when we met, but I'd never do it. So we're gonna get to that at some point. But, uh, coming with me today, I You know, I try to write down everything that you've done in your life, and it's just too much like I can't talk. So I'm just gonna introduce you as the medical director for the n f L P A. Because I think that's the easiest thing for all of our audience to understand. Besides, uh, the amount of books that you've written and, uh, all the papers that you've peer reviewed all these things that you've done in your life it's been incredible. And I'm so thankful to call you my friend, and I appreciate you joining me on How to up with Gus. So how are you doing, buddy? It's an honor, buddy. I You're a natural at this. You are really, really good at this. That doesn't surprise me at all. You've always been a great conversationalist, a great leader, you know, Team leader, uh, and, yeah, medical director, NFL p A. That's my most important job of my most important title is Maureen's husband and Josh Kevin, Father. And, you know, grandfather to the kids and all that stuff. So, uh, yeah, it's a real thrill. You know, you've been one of my closest friends for a very, very long time. Yeah. I mean, I used to when I lived in D. C. And, uh, I got to see you a lot more. Um, there are many times that you and I went out and had a cold one, and I would have to get some marital advice from you. So we've been down that road quite a bit, and actually, you know, I think about the leaves, the trash at the door all the time. Yeah, that's that's the one that always sticks with me, right? Don't bring it in the house Leave the trash at the door. But I I've always appreciated you. And and you know how night you've always been to me and my family. So I appreciate that. And what, Tell me, I I never really got to ask you, but what was it like when you became a grandfather? Oh, it's the best. The best day of my life was when Maureen and I got married. The next three best days were when the boys and I, I mean, we had Maureen and I had the boys, and then the four next days were the grandfather, you know, And it's so funny because you come up with this idea of what you want to be called, and I wanted to be called Groundhog. Well, ive, our first granddaughter, decided that was not going to be grand. Docket was taco, and I love that. So they all call me Doc. Oh, and Maureen Mina. And it's just, you know, stabbed me in the...

...heart. It's just important. Won't be long. You'll be in the same Uh, yeah, that's what we always try to figure out when that's gonna happen. But, you know, we'll let it play off Abby is like, you know, you guys were having me, like, at the same time. I'm going graduating from vet school now, So I'm like, Yeah, we know. You don't have to remind us. Get the idea. I mean, I know 25 years ago, it's crazy. Abby is the best and gunner and gave given my love when you see him. And hopefully we'll see Abby sometime soon in D. C. Yeah, that would be great. Yeah, she's super excited about making her next step in life and taking another transition. So we want to talk about you today, though, so we want to talk about you growing up. I knew you grew up in Anderson, Indiana. Um, but I want to find out from you. What was the first moment memory you have of kind of how and why you fell in love with sports. Because I know you're a huge sports fan, and you were a hell of a ball or when you played in high school. So tell me about that. When you were growing up with Grandpa Jim was was a Grandpa Jim wasn't an uncle. Or is it just Were you a fan? Uh, you know, first of all, the longer ago I played, the better I was. So we have probably a way, you know, there. I actually had videos of both high school football and college football and made those up for the guys that I played with. But I grew up in a small town like you did. Um, I grew up in a tiny house about 1800 square feet house. My parents and I had an older brother, so we were always outside. We're always, you know, we're just never, never inside. And I can remember when I was a kid, my parents insisting that I come inside for two things. One was when Kennedy died and they wanted me to watch the funeral cortege. And the other was when? In 1969. When when Armstrong stepped onto the moon. But I won't say that was the only time I was in the house. But, you know, I went out in the morning. Uh, Indiana and my dad used to call it, you know, You know Grandpa Jim. Well, he'd say I'm working from can't see to Can't see, You know, Mark when I leave and it's dark when I come home. So when I came home from from even, um, elementary school, you know, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th grade. We were outside playing ball football, you know, depending on the time of the season. But football, basketball, baseball, always something. And we started playing football in the fourth grade. They let me play in the third grade because I was a little bit bigger than the other kids. So it was just a part of of my life. And while it was a great town, I wanted to get out of that town. And I knew that when I was eight years old. I didn't know where I was going to go or what I was gonna do, because I'd never been out of Indiana to begin with. But while the great people I grew up with, uh, to me sports was was a way out, it was something I enjoyed. I didn't feel like work. It felt like, you know, a natural thing to do. So it was just always part of my life. Yeah, that that makes so much sense. That's kind of how I was to write that you have this feeling of something bigger out there because we didn't have the Internet. We didn't have social media. We weren't able to see what was out there. So you wanted to go and figure it out. And I think that's what's great about sports is it did give you those opportunities to to realize that. So when you're going and you're playing sports, I'm assuming that you got you were a lot like when I grew up, we played every sport, whatever. If there was a ball, whatever it was, we picked it up. We played. So then, as you get older and you're starting to play sports that are more organized, what did you gravitate towards? Well, part of it was seasonal. Um uh, And so you know, football wasn't natural because it was It was fun. It was easy to play, and and I was a linebacker and and was very good at. I just had a a nose for the ball, a sense of where things were gonna happen, what...

...was gonna happen before it happened, and anticipation, which was kind of eerie, as as a kid, you know, as you know, in college, and I didn't play in the pros because I I lacked, uh, something talent, talent, that I don't have any talent. But I think you have lots of talent. Yeah, you learn all kinds of reeds and tells and all that. But when I was a kid in football, I could just tell. And, uh, you know, I grew up in Indiana, so basketball was a big thing. And, man, I really worked hard at basketball, but I was just terrible. I just couldn't you know, all this stuff. I had Oscar Robertson's play better basketball. I read that book and, you know, reading the book would have made you a better basketball player. I would have been terrific. Uh, and in baseball, as you know, I love to play baseball. It was also just a natural feel, uh, for the game. But it was always football to me. When I was in high school, I wanted to play professional football. One of my hero was Dick Butkus. Uh, not because he was the Chicago Bears, and that was the closest team. But because he was an Annihilator, as you know, I mean, he played downhill, and that's why I played. I just didn't happen to have that little thing called talent. Well, I I don't necessarily agree with that because talent comes from within in your heart. And I think you had a lot of that. Probably when you played. And so tell me about, like, what was Grandpa Jim like when you were playing? Was he a big family? Your parents, a big family? They always around like I can remember. Like, my dad didn't go to all my games. Not like parents today. What was that like for you? Like where you you know, Jim, I was I was a junior in college before I played a game of any type that my father wasn't at. And, uh, you know, Grandpa Jim, just salt of the Earth. World War two veteran, Uh, just a tanker. Uh, so one of those, you know, classic Patton's third Army type of guy. And he came to every game He came, you know, And we didn't grow up a fluid. Papa had gas stations, service stations, you know, an auto mechanic, and, uh, he just made a made a point of coming. Now he'd go back and work until 10 11 o'clock at night, but he was there for the games. And, uh, you know, that's mostly good. Uh, you know, when they're right, you hear your father yelling? Good. But he's never critical of me. Never critical of being, uh it was one time he had some advice that I wasn't ready to take, and unfortunately, I did. But he was He just wasn't that kind of dad, you know? Just a great, great person. Did he ever coach doing any sports? Funny story. Um, Pop became the president. I played at Meadowbrook Little League. Uh, you know, five blocks from my house, you walk back and forth, rode your bike, that kind of thing. Uh, first of all, he invented Tebow. You see what he invented T ball. And And the reason he invented T ball was he saw all these kids 67 years old. That that would come in the summer, time to Meadowbrook Little League and just congregate. And they're trying to throw and catch the ball, and then they want to play and, you know, their their older brothers would come off, they try their hats on and try their uniforms on. And he started thinking about it and realized that the rate limiting step was the hand eye coordination. So even with coat that, you know, these kids didn't have it. So remember one Saturday morning, uh, he went into his auto mobile shop and he's in there for two or three hours and he comes out and he's taken a, uh, it was triangular. Didn't even look like home plate. A triangular piece of sheet metal, heavy sheet metal took a radiator, uh, flans meaning a poll that stood up about this hall high. And then he heated up radiator hose on both ends, stuck one end on the flanges, the metal flanges...

...and the other He kind of splayed out and shut the ball right on top of. And two weeks later, there was a T ball league in Meadowbrook Little League and we started with two teams and literally before the first game got played, they had six teams because word went out in the neighborhood, everybody could come. You know, um, years gotten gotten a way for us to play Tebow and then who coached them was the 10 and 11 year olds I was I was an 11 year old at the time. He had it was smart enough to have the kids coach, not the parents coach, he said. They're just getting away. You know, parents, you know they'll try to live out their old fantasies when they thought they were good ballplayers. But you guys, you know, you can really teach them how to play ball. And, uh, But he became president of the Little League, but never until I left. In other words, when I was in Baby Proof, 13 to 15, then he became president too literally because he loved baseball and he loved these kids. But he was smart to say, You know, people the take it out on Tom if they don't like some decision I've made or you know, if he gets to pitch in the All Star Game, they'll think it's because Jim's the president of the world. The parents are that smart, but But that that was Grandpa Jim. That was Grandpa Jim. So So you're in college now. You've gone through all or you're in high school. I'm saying, uh and you're kind of playing all three sports. I would take you. Yes, well, I was playing basketball sophomore and, you know, I had just enough insight when we went to ours was junior high, 789 and then High School 10 11, 12. And I realized when I was a freshman in In, uh, it would would have been high school freshman in terms of the junior high that I just didn't have it in basketball. Number one number two. And this was a huge basketball town. I think you know our gym seated 9500. Yeah, it's, uh, more on that. If you want to talk about that, Um, and and you know it's funny, because when I played football, I never felt any pressure whatsoever on the field. And, you know, you know, prior to a game people's GI Systems the anxiety. I mean, it's yeah, college, high school, particularly professional football player locker room. You just got to make sure there's plenty of facilities as you know, because not to get too great, but it's both ends prior to a game. But once I was on the field, I didn't hear the crowd. I had no idea. I mean, we played in front of 13,000 people at that time, but something about basketball and then being closer to the court made me nervous. And so I decided, You know what? I'm going to wrestle. Turns out I don't know anything about wrestling. Uh, but so for me, it was football, wrestling and baseball, and wrestling was just a way to stay in shape or or get a little bit better in football because I knew I was going to play football in college. That was my ticket to college. Yeah, wrestling is always good for football players and his dad, Harry, who you know and you've met. He always made a lot of his football players wrestle after the football season because it kept him in shape. It it would be taught him good skills. That's, you know, you know, because in football you're not doing anything. If you're laying on the ground, you got to get up off, Get on your feet. You know, if you get knocked down, get up, block somebody, do those types of things and wrestling teach you, teaches you a lot of that. I mean, and you can work hard and wrestling. We didn't have it might Well, I'm think I'm thankful because I never really wanted to wear one of those single it's you probably liked it. Maybe I didn't. Well, nobody like seeing me in one. I can tell you, you know, it's the support of the gods because it's just you and that other guy and there's no excuses. There's no well, if only if I could. It should have been. This guy let me down. It's just you. And let me tell you, when I was a sophomore and a junior, I was terrible. I didn't know anything about it. You know, I was physically fit and...

...quick and, you know, relatively strong. But, you know, you got to have skills. And let me tell you, I can tell you every rafter in every light in the gym at Anderson High School because I was on my back looking at. But I never got him. Never in my entire wrestling career did I ever get pinned. Then when I woke up when I was a senior and I was a wrestler, you know, 22 4 and and finished high in the state, and it just all of a sudden you know how it goes. It clicks clicked in. Yeah, it takes years to I think, master some of those moves and skills and things like that. Um, so when you were a senior, your you played football and you went into wrestling. Um, what was that whole like process for you? Because you always talk. You know, you talked about from the time you were eight. You wanted to get out of the town. So now you're a senior. You know, this time is coming near. What was that process for you to like to to pick to where you're going to make your next step in life? Well, you know, because you went through it yourself, you get a lot of letters. And again, the Internet didn't exist at that time. And, yes, there were phone calls, but it was mostly communication with college coaches, both high school. I mean, college football, wrestling and baseball coaches, and you get a letter in the mail and, you know, you open it up and it's just, you know, kind of fun. Uh, and I was fortunate to be recruited. Uh, you know, not like you were, but by everything from d one schools to where I ended up going, which was an AI school. But for a very specific reason which we can get into if you'd like. And it's cure. It's funny because I want to get out of this town. I want to get out of this town. I love the people, love my parents but wanted to escape the town. And so you start hearing from, you know, Navy and Notre Dame and Harvard and Princeton and and all of a sudden I started thinking, That's too far away. I don't know how far away, because I had never been outside of Indiana other than playing high school football with. We played some teams in Illinois and in Ohio, but that it that was it. So I I really focused in on on schools or somewhere in the Midwest and thought I would and signed up and signed a letter of intent to go to a D one school. But, you know, you know me, uh, my high school football coach, Pete Russo, used to say, You know, Mayor, for a smart guy, you're pretty stupid, dumb, and you know that from our experience together. So I did. I was literally signed up and ready to go to an N C double a school at that time. If you were a freshman, you had to play freshman football. You are not allowed to play varsity, okay? And there's a good story about that about Lew Alcindor that I'll come to in just a second. But literally. It's three days before I'm supposed to show up a training camp for my freshman summer, and all of a sudden I realized, Wait a minute. I don't want to play freshman football. I'm good enough. I can start on the varsity as a freshman. So I switched and went to an N A I A School Hanover College. And the reason was so I could start as a freshman. And so the story about that you probably heard this before. But when when John Wooden was was the famous coach at U. C. L. A. And they were in the midst of winning 10 straight championships, one of his team's lost a game for the first time in years. Now, fortunately, it was an exhibition game, and the exhibition game was against the freshman of U. C. L. A. Who happened to have a kid named Lew Alcindor later Kareem Abdul Jabbar as their freshman So those were the days where you just didn't have a choice. You had to play freshman. I think you got to play varsity. Yeah. No, no, not me. But I like how you're comparing yourself to Lew Alcindor, though. You should have him on one of the smartest, kindest, most...

...gentle people you could possibly meet. You know, you would just love him, and he would love to be on your show. I would love that. I would love to talk to him because I've had a few NBA greats on. I had Rick Barry in, which was, you know, Rick is a different guy. He was a lot of fun to talk to, but yeah, that would be amazing. But so now you're at hand over, You know, you pick the reason to go and play. What was your college experience like for you and when did you realize, like, you know, because we all have these. We want ambitions, and we want to go play and do something we love. And you love football. Just like I always love football. When did you realize? You know, and I don't want to sound anyway, but to say okay, I gotta take something else on as well, Because this might not be forever for me. Well, the, uh I can tell you exactly what it was and that, you know, I just wanted to play football. That's why I went to college. And, you know, you got it was a liberal arts school. So you had certain requirements that you had to take and, you know, they were paying for my education. And it's like I'm in heaven and, you know, I'm I'm starting as a freshman. All conference. Um, really thinking this is going the right way. You know, I might actually make it to the National Football League and always undersized. You know, I wasn't, uh, wasn't big like Butkus, but but mean and tough. And most of my talent was want to just, you know, I was not going to and they pointed out to me, You know, Tom, you have to have a major here in college. I was like nobody said anything about that. Tell me that. What do you mean? I have to have a major major. What? You know I'm majoring in football. No, no, no. You got to have a major And so I majored in theology, and you think you may know this, but so I majored in theology. Why? Well, first of all, my education is being paid for, and I don't have to worry about that. I'm not racking up debt or anything like that in theology, you know, you read books and sit out under trees and talk about stuff. And I'm thinking it's a pretty good life, you know, It was really, really cool. So fast forward. And I was a junior and was was taking a biology course, And you can't make this stuff up. So I got a theology major, but you have to have a second major if you're a theology major as well. They didn't tell me that either. So that second biology with professor sounds like allegory. You know, Dante, uh, Dante's Inferno or something? My biology professor name was Dr Pray, and, uh, he pulled me aside one day, and he got my theology adviser and he pulled me aside. And he said, Tom, have you ever thought about the fact that you might have a broader impact on people if you went into medicine, then if you stayed in theology. And, of course, I said, if you haven't noticed, I don't think about anything. I just go, You know, it's due. Yeah. So, you know, didn't the only doctors I've ever seen was when I, you know, got sewn up my lip for my forehead or, you know, broke because you might know, broke my nose and numerous times. But I don't know what the doctor was or what they did. And, you know, fast forward as a junior and senior, I'm taking basic premed courses that freshman and sophomore we're taking. And I'm thinking it's OK, pre med. I can do this. I can do theology that I can do medicine. I can have a double triple major, whatever it takes. And I'm taking chemistry one Oh, one Dr Keith White and get in there and I take the first test, You know, I'm thinking. Okay, Okay. Premed. We we got this, Got it, and open the notebook. You know that mimeograph paper that you can smell? The first question is, a mole is of a God draws a number of particles or and then a B. C d. You gotta pick. Well, I thought loosening fun. I have no clue. I don't know any word in that sentence meant, and I just no idea whatsoever. So I started going...

...finishing the test with a B C D E D c B e. You look like a slug o route, you know, back across. So I get to the end and there's an envelope. And inside the envelope, the envelope says Bonus question. And it only says bonus question. It says if you get this question right, you get an A on this test, no matter what you got on the test as a score. And I thought, Hey, let's give it a shot. Open it up and in the envelope says, What's the name of the man who cleans this room every night so you can learn in a clean, positive environment. So I got up and I walked up to Dr right and I said, Dr right, this bonus question, by the way, was I the first person done with the exam? Yes, because I didn't know anything on. I mean, I I stopped reading the question like it's like I'm going from B to C. C there, so I went up to him and I said that the bonus question Dr White and he smiled and he said, Sure, I said, Do you want his first name or his last name? And he said, Tom, if you can give me his first name in his last name, I will not only give you an A on this test, I'll give you an A on the course as long as you show up and as long as you work hard And I said, Well, what if I can give you the names and ages of his six kids? You know, he stands up, takes his glasses off and says, If you can do that, I don't only give you a name in this course, I'll give you a name and every chemistry course you take as long as you show up and as long as you work as hard as you can. And I wrote down his name and his kids names and through his wife's name in for for bonus. And good point is that janitor at Hanover College had more to do with me being a doctor than anybody else. You know, my parents weren't saying Oh, you got to be a doctor. Uh, and and it's just funny, you know, You just you never want to assume that anybody is unimportant, you know, because it always comes around. And I know you've lived here in anti. Both have lived your life that way as well. Yeah. So have you ever kind of gone back or or talk to that janitor after that? Yeah, He's passed away since, but, uh, but I kept in touch with him until he passed away. And I hear from from his kids from time to time. You, as you may know, a whole bunch of talks on leadership, both in health care, but also in business, uh, large businesses that want to hear about leadership and NFL perspective, that kind of stuff. And And I still mentioned, and I still tell that story, and I tell a story you were a Denver Bronco, and I don't know that it was in the locker room when you were there, but when coach Cubes was the head coach, uh, in Greek. Uh, Steven Demopoulos, the trainer I know is that you were there, but, uh, cubs put a sign up, and I'll send you a picture of it. It says You can always tell the character of a man by how he treats people that can do nothing for him. And every exit of the Denver Broncos locker room at that time had that there, and I asked Greek about it and he said, Oh, Coach Gibbs feel strongly about that? Well, you probably know this, but that's Guetta. That's Wolfgang. Get to you know the German philosopher who said that. And you know, you think about wisdom like that in an NFL locker room and you realize that. You know, there's there's just there's no unimportant people. There's your filled in life. The housekeepers at the hospital. I walk over to him and I put my arm around him and say Thank you for cleaning up the room. That was a really messy trauma case, and there was blood everywhere. Uh, but, you know, I'm not telling you anything. You don't know you. You've been that way ever since I've ever known you. Yeah, that's that's so important to me as well as, um, just being a good person and treating everybody the same, no matter who they are, what they have or where...

...they come from, and I think that that gets us all further along as as humans as well. Um, and, you know, I learned a lot of that from you as well. Um, just growing up and try not to be egotistical and being in myself because, you know, as a quarterback back in D. C. And you're on the Washington Post, you can kind of get a big head every now and then. So it was good friends like you who helped me stay humble, that's for sure. We remember saying, you know, uh, Gus, over a beer or two, you know, you're gonna be a former football player a lot longer than you're going to be a football player. Not. I mean, I know 50 years, seven clubs, you know, NFL record for the longest passed in history, which can never be broken because you can't throw longer than 99 yards. Um, those of you who are listening who have never seen that on YouTube You should look it up, I guess was a Viking at the time. But the truth is, you know, it's just you are a former player longer than you're going to be a player. Uh, you know, and plus, it's just you're always a person. So right, so So, being a former player, I was That's actually a good Segway because I was going to ask you that question next. So you're a senior. You kind of understand that this might not happen. Did you go out and try out for an NFL teams or not like, Was that ending like for you in football in the beginning of your next part of life? Yeah. I was fortunate to get in in medical school at Duke. Uh, my my junior year. I had to switch from linebacker to center, actually played both. But the reason is the center didn't show up and I had played center in high school and was pretty good. And, uh so I ended up playing center and linebacker, but I got my leg broken when I was a junior, and, uh, the it was pretty bad fracture, frankly, so I didn't play my senior year because it was still healing at that time. I got into medical school, but I got invited to free agent cancer one with the Vikings, Um, and one with the Bears Bears was in Lake Forest, Illinois, and, uh, you know, the Vikings, then, as they are now, Mankato State, way up there, way up there. Yeah, And I found. And you and I have talked about this before. Other than this, this minor thing called lack of talent. The thing I think that distinguishes those who make it in the league and those who don't speak, you know, they're just faster. They're just moving. You know, the left tackle Your best left tackles were good because they got their hand up and their foot back faster than anybody else. And that's how you beat, you know, some of these crazily insane, talented defensive ends and linebackers. And, man, it was It was clear to me that first of all, I was probably going to get hurt again out there. These guys were big, fast, and, uh and I just wasn't good enough. And I decided that no matter how mean the professors were at Duke University School of Medicine, they couldn't be any tougher than those coaches. So, uh, I know how to exited the field. Actually, one of the coaches said, Mayor, get back in there. We want to see it linebacker again. You know, What a coach. I'm done. I'm good. I'm all good and got my car and drove North Carolina, and it worked out fine. Yeah. So then you go on the duke. Um uh, You get your medical, you know. You going to Duke Medical School four years there, Right? And then, uh, but somehow, like you take on this persona of where you are, right? Because I know you're a big part of Duke. Kevin went there, Obviously played lacrosse there and everything. Um, So what was your duke experience like? Because they're known for for basketball. But, you know, were you still ingrained in sports when you were going to medical school, or were you just so focused on that? You kind of left it go for four years. Well, Duke,...

...uh, first Duke, you know, there's a B d. Anybody but duke. There are Duke fans and everyone else in the country, and, uh, and so you get used to that in my career has been like that. I understand that, but it is a place of excellence whether you're in the medical school or graduate school or the undergraduate school, uh, sports that they play, uh, and I was. It's certainly that way in medical school. Most medical schools at that time, they had to pay your way through the first year. And I'd get these letters. You're in the University of Chicago. You're into Johns Hopkins. You're into Harvard. But you got to pay for the first year. Well, you know, Grandpa Jim, I mean, greatest man I ever met, but we didn't have a whole lot of money. They might as well have told me to fly to Mark High paying for that and get the letter from Duke saying show up with $200 in your pocket, we'll take care of the rest. And so, you know, there wasn't any question about that. And I always say, when I'm fundraising for Duke, you know, no Duke, no Doctor Tom there. Um but But when I was there, you know, you really do have that sense of excellence. And and plus, in the first year of medical school you took you sat down and every other medical school in the country they'd say, Look to your right. Look to your left. One of you won't be here next year because they had a so called pyramid System and saying, You know, there's we're gonna admit 100 medical students, but only 70 of them are going on to the second year. So you were competing with each other. Well, Duke wasn't like that. They said, Look to your right. Look to your left. All of you will be here next year. And, uh, it was just a great experience. Plus, Duke took all the basic sciences in one year. You have to take them all in one year. That's usually two full years of medical school, and they didn't leave anything out. Compressed an entire two years into one year, which, for me as a theology major was tough. Because of the 113 people in my class, 32 have already had their PhDs they had already done. Yeah, it was like crazy. Um, but so in the second year, I realized I had a year of eligibility left because I had only played three years and, as you know, five years of I mean four years of eligibility in five years. So I actually walked on, uh, to the football team when I was a medical student, which probably tells you something about the quality of Duke football at that time. But that was that was a fun experience. Yeah, I can imagine. Like you you kind of thought I am. I'm done with this. I'm gonna move on. But then you get to go and play again. So I assume you had a lot of fun that year. Oh, it was fantastic because they didn't really cut me any slack, but and I had to miss a couple of away games just because I had rotations. But, you know, I'd go in early in the morning and do all the clinical work that I had to do and, you know, break for practice. And once practice was over, you know, I'd go back and go see patients again. And, you know, I have a lot of false and you know, a lot of them. And trust me more, he knows them all. But I've always been a hard worker. I always knew how to work hard. And, you know, you don't make it in the NFL as you did for 15 years without knowing how to work hard. So, plus, you know how it goes. They all call me Doc. doc, you know. Come on, Doc. Doctor, look at my risk here. Is that okay? Well, it was fun. Awesome. That's awesome. Hey, everyone, we're talking to my great friend, Dr Tom Mayor, uh, medical director for the n F L p A. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. Hey, everyone, welcome to another episode of Huddle Up With Gus. I'm your host, former NFL quarterback Gus Frerotte. And welcome to the new 16 31 digital new studio. You know, some people say no news is good news. Well, I say to those people, you've never read 16 31 digital news dot com Go to 16 31 digital news dot com to get your latest news, sports, music and entertainment and maybe even listen to your favorite podcast. Follow up with...

Gus. Check it out today at www 16 31 digital news dot com. Hey, everyone, welcome back to huddle up with some of your houseguest frat. We're talking with my great friend, Dr Tom Mayor. I want to thank 16 31 digital news for having us on their platform. And also sounder f m. Uh, so, Tom, we were talking about, you know, all way up through college, and now you're into medical school, and now you take another turn. You know, I liken it to the NFL because there's a lot of turns and twists you have to make to get to the highest level. Now, you take your next step to go, um, to your residency, and, uh, you go out to Utah. So you've already traveled a bunch of places in this country and been a part of many systems. So what was it like going to Utah? That had to be a new experience for you? Oh, yeah. It was great. It was great. So the way once you finished medical school, you choose which residency that you want to do. And I knew I wanted to be involved in pediatric critical care. Probably pediatric surgery. Uh, Dr David Sabiston was the chairman of surgery at Duke at that time. Legendary guy, and for whatever reason, took a liking to me and said, He said, You know, you should focus on a year in pediatrics prior to going into surgery and critical care, and then once you do that, you go visit a whole bunch of programs around the country. And during medical school I had doubled up and tripled up on my courses and then would load up my suburban and drive out west because I had never seen the Intermountain West, and it really wanted to know more about it, wanted to travel and see the country. And I guess, think about things. I don't know what the hell I was thinking about. But, you know, these long drives across the the country and I really fell in love with the Intermountain West and ended up, you know, you're supposed to rank and you say rank. You know, I wonder if this is the number one choice all the way down to number 10. Usually you rank at least 10 some more times more. So I ranked Utah number one. I loved Utah, as you know, And, um, and Denver, Second Denver, as you know, because you lived there. It's not in the mountains. I thought it was in the mountains. But, uh, you know, you drive in from the east on that long, flat prairie, and all of a sudden, boom, there's this big town that you're gonna do your residency in and matched at Utah. And and love love the people. As you know, I met my wife there. Maureen was a newborn ICU flight nurse. She jumped into helicopters and planes and picked up tiny little premature babies and and flew him back. And, uh, it was just a, you know, a wonderful experience. You know, people say, do you regret that you never got to play in the NFL, and And my answer is I don't regret anything that that let me end up with Maureen with this wonderful wife, these three great kids now, these grandkids. And, uh, it was just a magical experience. And we, as you know, we've stayed very engaged with the Intermountain West. Now, we spend our time in Wilson, Wyoming, and hopefully, you and Annie can come join us this summer out there. But it's, you know, the mountain West. You lived out there. You see us in Wyoming. It's amazing. Yeah, it is. It is amazing. And you know what a place to spend your residency and do all that. Obviously, the best part of it was you mess met Maureen. And, uh, you know that you guys have been together for a long time have great kids have great carrying kids Now, um So there's so much in between that and where you are today. Uh, and I can't, You know, we don't have enough time to talk about everything because I've seen your c v. And it's just, like, amazingly long. So give us a brief synopsis of how you've just been able to generate this amazing resin made for yourself through all these years and and really, what drove you to be able to do so many things? Because, Tom, I don't know if you sleep. I mean, I asked you before. Like what Do you write these books? You said when I got on the plane. Alright, I fall asleep on a plane, so I don't know how you do all you do, but you're an amazing person. So explain to our audience how someone can go through...

...this and do all the things that you do and I have done. Well, thank you for saying that because I appreciate that I first saw sleep's overrated. But that's another story. Um, I never I never tried to build a resume. I never tried to. I never took a position because I thought it would lead to another position. You may recall, when the boys were younger, I used to take him to Potomac School. And when I dropped him off Kevin, Josh and Greg I always did the same thing to him. Every single day I dropped them off, which is one more step in the journey of discovering where your deep joy intersects the world's deep needs. You know, they prefer the bus. They don't want you like that from your mom, but not from your dad. But my point is, Look, if you can't, if you figure out what your deep joy is and you stay true to that, you'll never work another day of your life. You know, you're just doing what you love and the days that you're exhausted, or probably because you somehow straight a little bit off of that deep joy and the values that that you bring to it. So I was fortunate because, you know, it wasn't a resume. I always get people ask me when I'm talking to big businesses or health care systems about just that question about resume building, and to me, it's relationship building. It's one of the great things about sports is I've never seen a leader who was any good in any area that didn't play sports at some level. But you have to become high school, even or college or professional. But you got to be a part of a team. You gotta know how to lead a team. You gotta know how to be a part of a team, and you need to know how to be led by others on the team. You have to understand coaching and mentoring of the ability to not only be coached and mentored, but the coach and mentor, other people. And that boy that's true in health care as well. So for me it was just constantly going from from what's my deep joy, and how do I embody that? How do I wake up in the morning and spend my time during the day? If I want to think of myself as I'll never forget? There's a surgeon in my residence. His name is Mansell Pierce, and Mansell was completely unflappable. People can be, you know, deteriorating in the operating room dying, and he could not be shaken, and I thought, I'm going to be like that and you know, So it's a discipline, just like, you know, you run a West Coast offense. That's a discipline. You know, Uh, you got a new I mean, how many offensive coordinators did you have to deal with? You know, it's a discipline switching from from scheme to scheme from system to system. And yet there's certain common things about it, and, uh, you know, it just I was just lucky to have Maureen along with me for the ride, and she supported everything I did, even when I changed jobs and went in the direction that didn't seem intuitive at the time. So, you know, people ask me for advice. It's always, you know, build relationships. Resume will follow. No question about Right, Right? So there's so many things that we could talk about, but I do want to get into, um, kind of how you and I met and then how you became part of the n f l P A. Because that wasn't due to me. You had a very good friend who was part of the N f L P. A kind of ran it for a while, and we can talk about that. But first, before we get to that, I want to talk about our story and about how we met. And I love the way that you explain this. So can you tell our audience about how we met? Yeah, a strange story. The our kids went to the same school that Art Monk went to our as you know, at one time held a record for the most and the most consecutive games with reception and and they auctioned off a visit to Redskins Park for the Saturday walk through. And and...

...we we got it because the boys are really excited. Josh was about 10 years old at the time, and and they had a broken arm from, uh, soccer, I think, or something like that. But at any rate, you go out there in the morning and not met Gus yet at all, and you get there and there's this young PR guy. Never forget this. So I've got our three boys in in Grandpa. Jim is with me as well. And Grandpa Jim was at that age where, you know, he was starting to. He was always in a good mood. No matter what was he just wasn't always sure where he was. So we get there and and the PR guy goes, Okay, here's the deal. Stay away from the players, he said. There's a sidewalk right down the middle there. The players will be off on this side. You all stay over on this side. Do not reach out. Do not walk over to a player. Do not ask them for an autograph, You know, that's it. Stay away from And then, uh, you know, everybody goes down. He comes over to me specifically to me, and he goes, Listen, one more thing, Greg, at that time, three years old for you like that. And he says, Whatever you do when Mr Cook Jack can't cook, as you know the owner, uh, at that time, he said Mr Cooke hates kids. Do not let these kids anywhere near Mr Cook. Okay. Okay, I got it. So we go down there and, you know, for me, it's like herding cats. You know, Josh and Kevin are pretty good and all that kind of stuff, but I look around and, you know, it's like warehouse, Grandpa Jim. Like Grandpa James, right in the middle of the players, you know? What do you do for a living? You know, you're you're You're a big boy. I'm not sure if he, you know, knew exactly what was going on, so I went over. Come on, Grandpa. Jim, you've got to come back over here. Well, then, fellas was awful nice. It was nice chatting with him, you know that. You know? Where's Kevin? Kevin's down on the sideline, you know, and, uh, Art had seen him and waved him down and was throwing the ball with him and all that. It's got going down there, this PR guys going that crap, you know, he's just losing his mind over me, and I get Kevin and I pull him back up and everything. And, you know, Mr Cook has come out. He's on his golf cart. You remember how he used to come out in a golf cart and sit and he's sitting there and we're looking around and I'm going, Where is correct? Where's our four year old? It's like nobody can see Greg and it's like, Oh, my God, he's run off. I don't know where he is sitting on Mr Cook's lap. So I go, I go down there and I'm thinking I'm they'll never gonna let me in this facility again. And I go down there and Mr Cook is I'm not like what they had said at all. The little tyke and I are having a great time. You just leave him with me for a while and the PR guy. I was just thinking, he's going to kill me, you know, Most exhausting day of my life. Nothing like we're in an emergency department. I'm wrong out and we come out. And Josh, he had his football and he had his little pen. Didn't realize that nobody was going to sign this football because he wasn't going to get anywhere near him. Were standing outside just kind of forlorn Look. And all of a sudden, this guy in a in a blazer small version of the SUV pulls up and smiles and says, You want me to sign that football? And Josh hands football over and you signed it And, uh, it was Gus, of course. Who did that? You know, I didn't ask him to. He just That's guts. He's just open and friendly and all that, and I gave us a card that had my name on it. I was chairman of the Emergency department locally at that time, so that's how it started. Now, fast forward. Six months. I want to say it was six months. I think season. It's pretty close. Yeah, in that ballpark range, I come home from work. Josh is on the phone, but by the back door, talking and chatting. And he's talking about counting crows. And, yeah, I love that band. And you know, that's fun, too. And he sees me. He goes, Dad, it's for you. And I thought, Was he talking to counting Crows that called me in the first place?...

And I probably came wrong. I may not be a band like that, and it was Gus saying, Hey, how you doing? You know, I got your card and my wife and she's a nurse and just wondered if, uh, maybe you could help us as she looks as getting back into her nursing career. So and best friends ever since ever since. And, uh, yeah, you did help her. She went from Georgetown to, uh, Fairfax. So that was that was that was huge for us. And and, uh, you know that drive for her from Ashburn to Georgetown that had several crashes involved in that time that she worked there. So so fast. Word That's our friendship. And we've been friends ever since, like you said, And I've leaned on you many, many times for for all kinds of advice. Um, and and But I also want to talk about a good friend that you had kind of how you got into being part of the n f l p A. Right. So now full circle your back into football. So tell us about that experience and how that happened for you. Well, just to be clear to your listeners, uh, the best thing about Gus is the best thing about me, which is his wife, you know, trust me. Getting to know Gus has been great, but getting to know and he's even better. And as getting to know Maureen is, as as we say in the league, we both outkicked our coverage, that's for sure. When we married those women. Uh, so the story is people. I get this question all the time. How'd you end up being the medical director of the n. F. L. P. A. You play football in your college and your interest in sports and all that stuff. And did you audition for it? You know, resume all those kinds of things, And the answer is, Gene Upshaw was my best friend and he wasn't my best friend because I wanted to have anything to do with professional football. It's because his youngest, Daniel and our youngest, Greg, we're best friends in epidemic school, and they still are. They still talked as recently as last night, so we had spent a lot of time together. We, uh, we coached T ball together, talk about full circle, uh, ended up being Greg's T ball coach, and Daniel was on the team, and his wife, Terri, insisted that he helped coached T ball. Uh, he said, I don't have time for that. And Kerry said, If Dr Mayer has time, you have time. So, genius, Yeah, I said, What do you want to do? Jean was a better. You know, that he was a better baseball player than he was a football player. He would've ended up in the Hall of Fame and baseball had he played, and he said, I'm only the hitting coach and I said, Well, I don't know what a hitting coaches and t ball, but you can be whatever you want to be. And so, Gene 65 you know, your height almost exactly stands there. And, you know, you gotta see these little kids and he puts the ball on top of the T and he looks down at these kids and goes and they'd hit it. As soon as they hit it, he'd go. Ron and people asked me, Did the kids run? And I said, So did the parents. You know, you did it. Uh, So August 1st, 2000 and 1 2001 was a busy year for us. Uh, Korey Stringer, a tackle for the Vikings, died of heatstroke. Impossible. How could you have a professional football player die of heat stroke? But Corey did, and Gene called me literally that day that afternoon and said, You've got to step up to the plate. Uh, and I said, What do you mean? You got to be our medical director? I said, What's your current medical director going to think about that? And he said, We don't have one. We've never had a medical director. So it was a brand new job had never been done before. You know, to most people, I think would have been intimidating. You got to oversee the care of 32 team physicians and and all that, but, uh, you know, my point is, it wasn't about resume. It was about relationships. Jean hired me because he trusted me. Uh, as a person, you know, he'd known that I built a large and extremely well respected group of emergency physicians. So new the business side of things. And, uh, you know, I never got a chance to...

...ask him Why me? Um but you say a quick story. Shortly after I started, I had a problem, and it was really a tough problems. Like how you can This is unsolvable, completely unsolvable. So I took the unusual step of making an appointment at Gene's office downtown. And, uh, and I went in and I explained the problem and and he's sitting there watching, nodding. And I said, Well, you know, there there's three things that we could do and I could do this. I could do this or I could do that. And and he looks at me and he says, Just go be Tom Mayor. That's why you are Tom Mayor. That's why I hired down there and I walked out and I called Maureen and she said, What did Jean saying? I said, I don't have a clue everyone you know, But I think he was just saying, I trust you. That's why I hired you because I trust you. So I think that's true. A lot in in life, you know, when When you started, you know, in the Broncos, in the in the playoff game, you know, it's like Shanahan somehow said, I trust this guy Trust with what we're doing That makes sense. Yeah, it does, definitely. And you've been doing it for 20 years now, right? Yeah. It's been great. Greatest job in the world, absolutely the greatest job in the world. I get paid good money to do great work. Yeah, and you do do great work. And so tell us this year, like you've probably this year this past year, 2020 was probably the toughest year for you as a medical director because of the pandemic and what you had to deal with. So tell us a little bit about that experience and everything that took for the NFL to happen. Because without your expertise, I don't know if it happens. Well, thank you. Uh, you know, it's all it's all about. The team, always about the team. I will say. Early on in February, I realized that this was gonna be bad. And I advised my now boss D. Smith, the executive director, Uh, the NFLPA and JC trader is our new president. You gotta meet J. C. He'd be also be great on the show as well. Uh, he's the center for the Browns. I know you know that. But others might not that it was gonna be bad. And, you know, I don't think you could have gotten Vegas to take odds on how can we play football in the midst of a pandemic? Uh, you know, we stressed early on that we had to have the best advice we could possibly get, So D and J. C said, you know, you got great connections, go out and get the best of the best. And so I got guys that I worked with at the Pentagon on 9 11 because, as you know, I was the command physician there who had worked with on inhalational anthrax in in 2000 and one, uh, in the D C outbreak that I worked with through the years on the concussion issues. Jeff Ling, who had founded one of the biotechnology office of Of DARPA and People From Duke and Harvard and Hopkins and every other Place. And it's interesting that the Wall Street Journal asked me, How did you choose them? And what's the common feature? Because the league had team physicians and team trainers, but really not experts from the outside. And so they asked me, How did you choose them? And I said, They're all serious badasses, you know, before I could think. But they were there. People have been in the fire before. They've been, you know, Jeff Lang has deployed to Afghanistan or Iraq seven times. You know you're gonna shake him up in a board meeting or a debate about testing for the virus. I mean, come on. He's been shot at, uh, same with Dan Hand, who worked at the Pentagon with me and all the other people. So we just we stuck to I would say this. I give a lot of talks on the leadership not just in health care, but leadership in business and in leadership in the midst of crisis leaders in the middle of crisis a really bad time to try to figure out what your values are, what you really stand for and the three things that we stand for it and, you know, because we talked about it many times for the...

NFLPA is number one, health and safety or non negotiable. Non negotiable won't trade it for anything. Number two will go anywhere the science goes, but nowhere hasn't so in God we trust, but all others must bring scientific data. So opinions didn't matter to us. Show me the data on this novel and emerging virus. So we're changing rapidly and number three whole player, whole life, whole family. So the league was concerned about playing 256 games, 12 playoff games in one Super Bowl. We were concerned about keeping our players safe in the midst of a pandemic that's never been seen before. Lots of comparisons to you know, uh, back to 1911 when the last time something like this occur. So it was It was a privilege It was absolutely a privileged to lead that team of people, but it was a team all the way. I get far too much credit for it. All I did was hear their voices and enact what they told me was the best science and then educated our players on it. Uh, the real story is the discipline of the players and the discipline of their families. They protected themselves in the building. They protected themselves at home, their families isolated. And I can't say enough about the courage that that they showed in the midst of this pandemic. Yeah, you know, I've interviewed Wes Welker, who's a good friend of mine. He's a coach with the 49 ers. He told me How about the struggles through the year, how hard it was? You know where he's doing? Virtual meetings. Guys aren't listening, You know? They're late. You know, it's not like they gotta come into work, right? So players had to really step up and understand what this meant. Like, you want to have a job, you know? You want to do this, you gotta You gotta follow the protocols as well. So you gotta keep yourself safe. your family's safe, all of us coaches safe for this season to happen. Because I think when you if you would miss a season in the NFL, it would not only hurt, the players would hurt the team and it would put everybody back. You know, people already have this kind of misconception of, of everything that's going on. The NFL, our youth, people love the game, but less and less people are playing the game as well. Um, right now, yeah, you know, it's, uh, West is a great guy, you know? Obviously was a player. Uh, and I was involved with him when he was a player, but we stressed over and over again. It's a novel and emerging virus. What does that mean? It means we tell you today may not be true tomorrow, You know, the great, uh, great. Uh, psychiatrist Carl Jung said, What's true in the morning? Maybe alive by the afternoon. But that is the science that we know in the morning because it's happening so fast. Maybe contradicted by the science. You here in the afternoon. So they were ready for that. Okay, then we expressed repeatedly to them do it for yourself, do it for your family, do it for your teammates and do it for your community. And in that order. And once they understood that, that the protocols to testing the isolation, the making, sure that you know we're not out clubbing at night but closest family and you know West may have told you this, but there are a lot of people who thought there would be more injuries because we didn't have a pre season. We played no preseason games, Um, or that the quality of football would not be good. And neither of those are true. We didn't see any more in. We saw less injuries because we didn't play preseason games. There weren't more extremity injuries, hamstring pulls and that kind of stuff because there was. We didn't have, you know, O T A s, and they had to acclimated and all that. And I think anybody who saw the season would tell you points scored the quality of the game. Uh, nothing was eroded by that, and I have to say it was a major change for the coaches. They had to adapt because they're so used to getting the building at eight o'clock in the morning. You're gonna be here until eight o'clock at night and quality and knock the rust off. I mean, knock the...

...rust off. I'm a professional, You know? I'm a grown ass man. I don't need to go knock the rust off. I know how to play football. So it was a learning experience for them as well. I'm sure Wes reflected them. Yeah, it really was. It really was. And, you know, and I think the greatest thing about it was that that the we pulled together as a group, right? As you like, you said a family, you know, the NBA had their bubble where they were in all one place we did. The NFL didn't have that. Guys were locked in hotel rooms, they were still going to facilities, and they were testing all the time. So, um, you know, it was just an amazing thing you did. I want to thank you. Because the season was pulled off perfectly. I thought it was I thought it was wonderful, you know? And I thank you for all your years of, uh, basically service and what you've done for the NFL, because you have made it safe for you made it better for the players. You've done things to contribute to the NFL in ways you probably never even imagined when you were back growing up as an eight year old and wanted to get out of Anderson, Indiana. Oh, yeah. I mean, I made it to the league. I just made it a little bit, uh, job category and a little more long lasting one. You know, there have been a few people that have played 20 years in the league, including the number 12 and guys like Jackie Slater that, you know, was retired before you came on. Son Matthew still playing, But it's been a blast. You know, the joy of medicine is the joy of taking care of people. And, uh, and, you know, as you know, these guys are so nice and so whip smart and and their men who are looking after their families, and it's just such a joy to be a part of the whole thing. Yeah. No, it really I'm glad. And I'm glad that, you know, you've been my friend for a song, and I appreciate you taking the time out of your busy. You're always so busy and taking the time out of your schedule to kind of share your experiences because our life is all about transitions, and I think you put it the best way of is don't look at building your resume. Look at building relationships, and that's gonna get you further than anything else in life because I have a relationship with you. And I know if I'm ever in trouble or something happens, I can always call on Dr Merida to help me pull me out, or or, you know, talk me out of the trees. So to say so you know, Grandpa Jim used to say when I was a kid. You know, son, if you if you work hard and stick to it, everything will work out fine. I can't tell you what will work out, he said, but if you're really, really fortunate you live a good life. You'll have four or five friends that when you call them at four o'clock in the morning and you tell them I need you to be on a street corner in a bad part of town with $5000 in your pocket, you'll wonder about a lot of things, but you won't ever wonder about them showing up. And that's just for a You know, you are that kind of a friend. You've always been there for us, and we'll always be there for you, as you know. Well, thank you, Tom. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. And I appreciate you coming on the show. And if there's anything, you know how I always ask our guests this how can our viewers are fans? Find out a little bit more about Dr Mayer. How can they follow you? I know you don't do a lot on social media and things like that, but, uh, you know, how can our our fans find you? Or maybe what's your favorite charity that they can donate to? Well, um I would say, if you if you want to find me, it's easy. I don't have a website. Um, just not smart enough to to figure that one out. My, uh, my email is Tom T H O m Mayor M A Y E R m d. So, Tom, Mayor M. D at Gmail shoot me an email, and I'll help you in any possible way that I can't any issue any problem. You just want to talk. Football will set up a phone call and a time to do that. So, Yeah, happy to help. And our favorite charity is a simplified fund. Uh, you know, Kevin, as you know, as a marine, so we always like supporting those guys who who are The reason we sleep well in our beds at night is because guys like that are willing to stand up for the country. So...

I appreciate you asking about that. Yeah, I know the Semper Fi Fund that will definitely look it up. And I'll let you know when your show comes out and there's And, um, I appreciate you. May I Thank you for joining us on your story. Love to Annie and the kids. Yeah. YouTube. Please give Marina hug and tell the kids we said hello. And and I can't wait to see the grandkids one day, everyone, what a great show we have. Thank you for joining us on. Huddle up with Gus. Catch us next time. Uh, you know, next week, maybe Emmett Smith. I'm not sure. So just catch us next week on huddle up with Gus. Find us in the News 16 31 Digital news studio and on sounder f m Have a great day. And that's a wrap sports fan. Thanks for joining in the Fun at the 16 31 Digital Studios. For another action Huddle Up with Gus, featuring 15 year NFL quarterback Gus Theron, Huddle Up with Gus, is proudly produced by 16 30 one digital media and is available on Apple music.

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