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Doug Whaley

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

    Doug Whaley is the current Senior Vice President Of Football Operations for the XFL. Before that, he was the General Manager of the Buffalo Bills of the National Football League (NFL) from 2013-2017. Before joining The Bills, Whaley spent 11 years with the Pittsburgh Steelers as the team’s Pro Scouting Coordinator, where he won two Super Bowls. Whaley worked directly under Kevin Colbert, who is the Director Of Football Operations. In his time with the Steelers, Whaley helped scout and draft defensive players such as Lamarr Woodley, Troy Polamalu & Lawrence Timmons. Doug was born In Columbus Ohio and then moved to Pittsburgh as a teenager and attended Upper St. Claire High School. He went onto play college football at the University of Pittsburgh.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome everyone to Hoddl up with Gus,but we talk to our guests about how sports shape their life. I'm your hostGu Farott fifteen year, NFL quarterback and I'm joined by my owl time friendand Cohot Dave Hanger. You cand now find us under the big top on sportcircus with Southe Ring Master on MTV AA MP tvcom, and you can also find uson RADIOCOM or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast Ello everyone. This is Gus Rott, WethHudo up with Gos fifteen year, NFL quarterback, I'm here with my cohostDave. I guess- and you know we are brought to you by the WesternBonaventure Hotel, beautiful Los Angeles. If you get a chance to gothere and stay, and you can also find us under the big top at the sportcircus on MTV and sow the ring. Master is really kind enough dave to host us.So we're excited that you can see us now on MTV on the sport circus and alsofind us on RADIOCOM. Today, Dave we have another great guest as usual, he'sgoing to fill us in on what the xfl is about and what they're doing and howthey're going to progress so joining us in the humble right now, Doug Waley duggreat to have you and thanks for joining us, Gusin Davit's. My pleasure appreciateyou having some time for me today. No, we appreciate it so where we alwaysstart and what we want to ask you first is: Can you think back to when you werea kid, and that first moment where you fell in love with sports right, itcould have been baseball football whatever it was, but give us that kind of interinnerspirit of where you wear and how you file in love with Sports Welli. Have aolder brother he's five years older than me, and he was heavily involved insports at a young age football and wrestling and baseball, and my fatherwas his coach in Midget League football. So he would, I would go to practicewith them, and that was my introduction to sports and my love of sports and Iactually ended up fibping on my age, because I was youngand told the the organization I was six when I was actually five just to startplaying early, so I was in love with especially football at a very young age.Well, you were probably like Dave and I we watch the stealers growing up. Sowere you a steelers fan growing up actually a lot of people. I claimPittsburgh from home as my hometown, but I was actually born in Columbus.Ohio cand moved around a lot as a kid I didn't move to Pittsburgh until I wasin ninth grade, so I've become an became a Pittsburgh steeler fan. When Igrew up, we were in Columbus, it was the Cincinnati bingals. I also once Imoved around to West Virginia, I started looking. I was actually achargers fan, but obviously, once I came to steeler country, it was allover. I'm stealing fan I've been a stealer family growing up so great. So when you would go out whenyou were a kid and you'd go out and play youth football, who was thatplayer, you wanted to be Chuck Monsi, Che Monsy and then, when I was ondefense, it was Ronni Lot. Did you wear the Chuckmunsy glasses? I didn't, but Ihad a not en during the games but around the school. I would every oncein a while and if it was runny lot D, You have all your fingers still yeuallgood, Oh yeah. Actually, when I gooff now, I still take my fingers like RonnyLott. Now you know- and you know that's kindof where we all kind of fall into play. We all had people that we emulated andwanted to be like. For me. It was Terry Bradshaw, K, O growing up here inPittsburgh and then every pirate I loved. I wanted to be a pirate, becausemy dad would listen to him on his transitior Radio Swimin on the backporch all the time, a D- And you know he didn't- have a lot to complain aboutthe Parit's not like. We do today Dave. No, we can have fifty consecutivepodcasts on the problems with the parates. I think yeah. I tell you thismuch and I'm a glutton for punishment. I'm still, I still go to games andunfortunately I support them what it has done, though I think it'sin a bad way. It's soured me on the pirates, but it also has made meappreciate the game a little more, so I'm going to pirate games looking atother players and just being out there and enjoying the sport, which is a sadsate to be as a pirate fan. What was your expectation of where youwere going to be what you wanted to do? Moving on into college, moving on intoyour after College Life Yeah After College, I was really studied to be a stockbroker, soStudi for my series, seven and sixty one just to sell stock. So while I wasdoing that, I was volunteering with my high school coach and up percent ClaireJim Render, and so during the fall. I D study duringthe day at night go help them and the...

...defens of coordinator for him at thetime was Jimmy and God and Jim actually coached, with the steelers director footballoperations at thet time, Tom Donna so long and short of it. He had. He wasasking me what I was doing. I told him I was going to go to New York to be astockbropper and he asked if I ever thought about coaching. I was like aI've. Not really didn't want to do coaching. He said what about personnel-and I said hadn't thought about that. So he told me to write a letter ofinterest to Tom Donnao and I wrote a letter and then I got a letter backfrom Tom saying Heyo appreciate you, a new knew everything about you fromfolloing you to St Clair and Pitt, but we don't have anything at the time, soI've stocked out away didn't think anything of it was in New York for awhole year and then my mom called me and said: Hey that guy named Tom Donocalled you. You want to call him back called him back and there was aninternship that they had in the personnel department for the steelers.It was a year with an option. I talked to Im my bosses in New York Selin stock,and they said well. You have actually a year of inactivity on your license thatyou don't wouldn't have to retake the test. Why don't you try it and afterthe year we can reassess and the rest is history, because that year we wentto sit the super bowl with the against the cowboys and Phoenix and then thatspring I actually got on as the northeast scout for the Seattle seaaks.What is it like to be a scout? I mean I've known a lot of scouts in my timein the NFL, but what is it like to be a scout? As far as do you just have acertain territory ore you going to every college game, were you? Were youa scout for players already in the NFO or College Scout? I don't I'm not surehow all that works. So I started as a college scout so the northeast. So Itook the northeast region, so I had from Maine all the way to Virginia all the way west to Michigan and Indiana. So that was myregion and what I would do is I would go to every school in that region thathad a senior prospect that we thought was worthy of being avaluated. So I wouldbe on the road I'd go to camp at with Seattle, for probably two weeks in August, just get acquainted with theteam that we have the players we had on the team and then start making myschedule and then I'd be on the road from Sep into August, all the way TilNovember after November, there's a littledowntime and then, in December and January you start lo going to all stargames, and then, after January you get ready for the combine combines inFebruary after the February combine. Then you do the pro days in March andthen you ply back early April and you have draft meetings from April all theway till the draft and then after draft you get a look at the supplementaldraft guys and then you really have some downtime in June and July. So do you have you when you were acollege scout? Do you claim to say I'm the guy who found him right e? have anyguys like that like? Well, I mean there's always a diamond in the rough.I know the dog Waley went on and found somebody well the way you look at it,especially when you're, when you're a college scout there's going to be atleast two or three other people that evaluate those players but youre th,the the point person as as my dad was he was in Vietnam and and then militaryhe was the Recon, so college scouts are the reconissante people that really goout, canvas their area and point out the guys that Upreshel on people likethe directors, the college directors, the player, personnel directors, Ind,the GMS and the coaches need to watch. So when, when you're really making apick, it's a collective thing, where everybody's going to addtheir two cents again, the first person is college scout in a play than aplayer personnel director cal, then maybe a GM and then coach will allsit there and give their two or three cents about what they think about thisplayer. And then they, then you come up with a team grade and so yeah you cansay. Oh I found this guy, but there's a lot of other people that go into makeit a pick so doug when you're like say you're in the Northeast as a collegescout and you obviously looking at their physical caabilities and how theyare as a player. Are you able at that point to talk to them at all? Do youhave any personal interaction? No, not not. During the fall most of thepersonal interactions come during the Aulstar games during the combine indthe spring. When it's the fall, you want those guys to be focusd on R,their job at hand and that's being the best football player and helping theirteam when we don't want to be iin there, distracting them having them thinkingabout their next step and and the nfls in the pros. We want to make surethey're concentrating then being the best that they can be so you at thesees. I think you were there for ten...

...years. Is that right? Yes, so what was?where? Did you end up with the steelers like what was your last job? My lastjob was pro personel coordinator, so when I, when I'm with that job, thatwas more veteran free agency, so I was lookingat all guys that were, I did a little college just to stayin that, but mymain focus was advanced scouting for our coaches, so I'd always be a weekead.We opened up with Baldimore. I would make sure I' watch Baltimore's last twopreseason games and go to those games. If our second opponent was Kansas City,I'd go to Kansas City's first game, so advance report to make sure we canwhatever we can't get off film. If we can get some stuff at at the games likeall this guy was injured. Well, did he come back out or did they take theminto the to the locker room and how long was in the rock room or oh, I sawhim. He was out for the rest of the game, but I saw him running on thesideline. So little things like that that you could pick up that. You can'tpick up one film I would do, but for the scouting purposit was allunrestricted free agency, restricted free agency, any injury placementsduring the year or anything that we needed to add or subtract practicequadwise. So how does that work? You literallyjust like have a list of tattles. You have a list of Safetis and that's yes,really yeah, it's yeah! It's not the mergency list, it's emergency list andit's always it's always changing, and it's one of those things where you cannever get a total handle on it, because there's always going to be some guysgetting cut, getting waves, some guys getting on injured reserves and there'salways new guys coming in every year. So it's a fluid situation, but youreally have to just kind of get compass it as best. You can Haveim alot of people. We actually have our college gouts help during the preseason.They would go out and look at preseason games to help us build our board of foremergency replacements. Do you think the current system for during theseason when a player gets hurt and you have to bring a replacement and- andyou know say it's a left tackle Yeu you o tackle, gets hurt, you're going toput somebody else in, but then you got to bring another guy in and do youthink that system is efficient? How how the NFL does that now or do you thinkthere's a better way to do that, because I know you got ta fly in tenguys and then you're gint pick the best out of ten guys who've all been at thegym, only you're not really working on their skills, so that that a you justsawot serve me up a softball and it's one of the things that we have done atthe xfl is because of that situation because, like you said when you're,especially the later you get in the season, you don't know how. Well theseguys have stayed in shape and and anybody that's been a competitor nows,there's a difference in being in shape, running around in shorts and Tshirt andthen being in actual physical shape to play a sport. So what we decided to doat the xfl. Because of that we have a forty man, what we call team nine andit's forty guys from all different positions in Dallas, actually workingand practicing every day. So when we have injury replacement, we know theseguys have are in shape and are ready to play and in shape, not just in shortsbut they've, put on helmets and shoulder pads and have been practicingfor four or five days for multiple weeks in rows. So there is someinefficiencies in NFL side of it, but also that that they're in a differentlevel than us, but we thought this would be a very unique way to help thatthat process further and be more efficient, so they're going throughpracticers. So you have a you know: they're going through all the gameplans theyre! You know they have to go to different types of systems rightwell, so what we did is what will we do? A lot of most of the guys that areinteam. Nine were in camp with a team one of our teams, and what we'll dothere is it's a lot of more fundamental things? So they'll do some one on oneswhy receivers dbs O line dline, nine, unde, seven and seven UN, seven andjust general concepts because guys can get picked up from from? Maybe not ateam that they went to the camp with, but another team, so, but we just wantto make sure they have no general concepts which most of them do but beable to show them in competitive situations to the team so that all thevery practice gets pushed out to every team. So they can constantly evaluatethose guys on team nine to see one if there's injury where they, which guythey want to go or if those guys can upgrade over somebody that isn'tplaying as well on the act of roster form just like having a ready, Bullpakright. Well. Well, you need that and then you know Jim's orange going tocall plays differently than then. You...

...know another coach from y Othergeymwho's, the Coch hat came from Oklahoma, bobstip SOB stoop, so he's Gon ta calldifferent kind of offense than Jim's Ornis and which your quarterbacks justbasically need to understand how to throw a comeback. And you know justthat timing, because if you're late on any of that, because you haven't beenthrown to the proper people, there's no way you can go to a game and beaccurate, corrap, crrack and and one of the things that that when we talk aboutconcepts is yeah, someone say call it a come back. Somebodyi might call it astop or whatever. But if you know the general concept, you just have toadjust your brain to what they're labeling it well dogas. You know Iplayed with seven teams yeah ad adjust my brain every year and don't know ifit was a good thing or bad thing, but is very hard to do because thatlanguage, it's like learn a foreign language when you go from digit systemthe West Coast to these in betweens and trying to figure it out west coast isvery the verbige jis real long and drawn out.But you know it's interesting that that you guys are doing that. I'm reallyglad you are because that's going to help your your game as it goes to keepthe best athletes playing at the time. It was interesting to hear about afteryour first week a lot of the players were saying: Wut. We went through campand everything, but until you get in Te game and go through game situations,you don't know what kind of shape you're in exactly yeah, no doubt andhat. That was another reason we thought about this team night and thing that isgoing to help us as well, because of our play clock being twenty fiveseconds and it's starting to mimic what a lot of these players are used tocoming out of college- and I know the West Coast since a lot of verbage Bu,because we have suc such short amount of time in between plays our offenses are starting to be realcondense and concise with how they play call play. So it's more two three wordplay calls instead of those fifteen. Sixteen word play calls that you'reused to, because you just don't have the time to do that. So that's morereasons why we start thinking. Let's talk about concepts because conceptsnow they may just call inside Zowne Detroit or so once you know that you say: okay,it's inside zone, no matter what they call it. You know the concept. Ohalways said that like. Why do we have to tell everybody what to do we're allfreaking adults here we can all get our playbook and learn and I got a stand ina huddle say seventeen word plays just so. I could tell a foll back to run aflat right exactly what does that have to happen? But you know the otherinteresting thing is that you guys do well, as you put a headsettin in everyoffensive players, helmet, axcept, Theliman, correct, correct, correct andthat's if you look at it, then that takes a good four to five seconds offof every play, because you don't have to huddle up and then another thingthat we didn't even think about Unintin the consequences that s a positivething is your receivers, aren't running as much because they're not runninginto the huddle and then running back out to where they need to be whenthey're split out, so they can just stay where they are. Sometimes they mayhave to cross the formation if they have to line up on the other side, butyou're decreasing the amount of running they're doing by maybe at least a mile,a game or maybe even more right and you're, still doing all the RFI d tagson them to track them as well. Not this year we're going to start nextyear, though yes, thit'll really tell you oh yeah, no, absolutely um dog tellus about the transition and from being pro personal director of the steelersto then becoming generale manager of the bills. How did that happen? Wellitwas right around two thousand and ten, when Buddy Nicks became the GM of thebills. He interviewed me and I first went up there as assistant GM underBuddy Nicks, and that was where I got exposure to I'v already been with thepersonnel under college, Doing College and then pro so now I got exposed tonegotiating contracts at a higher level, ill dit it at a smaller level, with thesteelers but really immersed into contract negotiations and then dealingand knowing the basics of the cat and how to manage that. So that was a nicestep for me and a gradual step in my maturation to get to the ultimate goalfbeing at GM and then was the assistant GM under buddy for three years and then two thousand and fourteen he decided tostep away and I turned into the GM was blessed enough to have that opportunity and from there it's it opens up youreyes because, as they say, the further you get up get promoted in your field,the less actual of work that you do to get you to thatfield that you get have to be aware of, because what you do is you start doingthat general managing instead of actual working and personnel, and so that thatwas the biggest difference for me is instead of just always worried aboutscouting and getting the best players.

Now it's scouting players, Cap, coaching, strengthand, inditioning trainer. Sonow you got to start look overstai all of thats equipment, IIN yeah you'redoing with the owner more right, like you had a absolutely agents, travel sot it's an encompassing job that it it was very andlike so like how many people, as ageneral manager of an NFL team, see you as their boss or reporting toyou I mean. Is it's fiftysixty o like? Well? If you look at players, well, Esse eclarsyeahlet's say in the spring you have ninety players. Let's sayconservatively coachy staffs around twenty five, so you're a undred andfifteen. Then you got a personnel department and anumber twenty, soyou're talking about trainer, Strengthan condistioning close tobetween hundred and fifty and one hundred N. eighty people wow yeah,that's a lot, that's a lot and then there's always somebody that leaves andYoure Gong to or that you'll have to. You know fire or you know, you're goingin a new direction. Those conversations can't be easy. You know that specilywhen people that have been there for years and you just the owner, says wegot to move in a new direction. Dugan Wan! You take care of is you're like Ohokay, I got yeah. That's gets uneasy that yea that, but everybody knows whattype of business we signed up for and you try to keep it professional andeverybody knows it's not bus. It's not personal. It's professional, it's justbusiness! So again not easy conversations. I've beenon both sides of them yeah fun, but it's it's just the business world ofthat war in was Anthony, Linda coach. When you were there, he was a interumcoach. He went. I was there. Yeah yeah he was Hep, was started, the running backcoach and then went to the OC and then the interum coach. So I was with himfor two years: YEA Coah. We played together in Denver, that's how a'mostold Yeaano Meli wow yeah. How about that? I got a great anter of the ind story,but we can't talk about it on the air because I don't know if it's it's goodfor as much yerd, it's an Anti Lynd Marcialaro story. So Somee I'll tellyou guys it's pretty funny. It's my favorite go to when we're hanging outwhen I, when I come back Ba yeah yeah tell you that Alen story yeah. So thennow you're at the bills, you were there. You talked about how you know itdoesn't work out. So how was that you know the ownership came to you and saidwe're moving in different direction, an after yeah. It was two thousand and seventeen right afterthe draft walked in said we're going in in a different direction. I thank them.I mean obviously they could have moved on for me when they bought the team,because when I got promoted to the to the GM position, Ralph Wilson was theowner and then, when Ralph Wilson passed there that Pugulus bought theteam they actually came in and they kept me. So they gave me a shot to stay on his GM when they first gotit. They didn't have to appreciate it that, and at that year it was two thousand andseventeen. I took the whole year off that that next year, didn't didn't getinto football at all. Did some other things outside of football? Some otherinterest that I started to investigate and then that next year, in twothousand and eighteen, I ended up the NFLPA approach me about handling theirin Flpa Collegian AU, Star game, which is an Austar game that they put inevery year. Pacideina California, for guys that have exhausted their college eligibility and it's and it'sall star game, give them another shot to get in front of Scouts to show themthe scouts. How well they can play, and obviously that's when they start.Having interviewed the interview process, so the scouts can and anyother team personnel can get to know the players personally valet stay andplay in your next getaway to Los Angeles, the Western boneventure hotel,an sweets offers effortless access to all the city of angels has to offerwhether you're hoping to catch a concert or sporting event. Our hotelsjust moments from all the action in accessible to Hollywood, beaches,museums and theme parks. The package includes a guest room and valet parkingfor reservations, use promocode PSF in the codebox when making your onlinereservation or call one two hundred n three six to four one thousand andAsswo promocode PSF. Well, it's funny I coach in that game in two thousand andnineteen, so I don't think you were there that year now I cooched underMike Tyce, okay, a offensive coordinator, and that year I reallyenjoyed it. I mean I put a lot of work and a lot of effort and trying to makeit plays as easy as possible in five days to give these guys. Anunderstanding of you know what we're calling and what routes are going to berunning all of that. But it was a great...

...experience not only for me, but for thekids and- and I thought the NFL PA did. You know a good job and you knowthey're not bringing in the high level guys we're not bringing in the top guysfrom Alabama Ohio state and all that they're Giveng, a lot of guys thatwouldn't normally get a shot, a shot to go and show that what they can do in anAllstar game, and that was t e. The thing that was the most excitingintriguing for me because it went back. It got me back to my pure just scoutingdays, a saying: Hey. Everybody sees that first and second and third roundGuy, but this guy there's something about hem I really like, and if he getsmore exposure than it will help his draft stock. So it got back to thatpart of the Genesis of me in this business and that's just thatpure, let's identify some talent and make them get their talent exposed toother people to help better their draft positioning right. So we had a kid dait,your I coach, O running back from slipper rock okay, yeah that when itcame out and played, I think he was made it to the League, and I don't knowif he's throwing a team or not, but you know he was pretty good. He had a greatunderstanding of the game he made some plays. While he was out there didreally good on special teams. Those are all the things th that we try to. Youknow preach to those kids Werin there when they're in the meeting. You knowthat that it's not just what your position is offensively our defensively,but most of you guys can make a team by being good on special teams as wellabsolutely position, flexibility and ability to play teams, and that's a lotof things that these young guys when they go in all star Games. They finallystart seeing the importance of it, because a lot of these guys are allstars and they're coming from their college program where they just usuallyplayed offense or defense. They didn't have to make their mark on the special teams toget noticed. So these are things and then add to the fact that they'regetting coached, especially at FLPA and and all these and even the senior bowlyou can podh coach by pro teachers and pro coaches and PLOplayers, exprot players. So they understand what is going to be expectedof them once they step into NFL. Building dog you've interviewed a tonof players as a general managers scout etceter at combines and everything havethere been many players that have, I guess, talk themselves out of int yourinterest. Like Y, you had O youere real high and a guy, and then you talk tohim and you're like Whoa. Yes, yes, there is- and I look at it this way:Football players Ar thecross section of just people in general, so you're going tohave some really intelligent people, you're Goin, to have some people thatstruggleing they're goingto have some really gourgete, really out theirpersonalities that people are really drawn to and then there's some peoplethat are really kind of introverted. So you have that whole spectrum, and- andthere are some guys that can definitely talk themselves out of your like who Iliked him but wow tuff. That said, there's some issues atthat he's dealing with or we would have to deal with if we decided to have himon our team right, so hey rear, quick. I want to go back to the bills, becauseone thing I always wanted is as a GM, you have. A lot of icons have playedfor the bills, Jim Kelly, Bruce Smith, am it emmid and not amit, but thermanThomas Tarman, yeah, lot of other guys, like huse yeah juice, but you know, howdid you deal with those guys coming back and trying to be a part of thebills and always wanting to be around? Is that's something thet fo goalsreally wanted to make ma part. You know, because I wo, I know someoher nodoubabout it. Dn'yeah know that we as a Butan, the buffalo and its such atitment Nick community. I don't know if this is still the stat, but at onepoint the bills and Dluffalo had the highest amount of Lummi players stillin the area so yeah. So the we opened up our arms and had nothing butrespect and anytime. Those guys could come back and and be a part of whateverwe were doing it was. It was benefit tos and it's pays homage to the historyand the reason why Buffalos still considered as fans are everywhere andconsidered organization that had a nice run thatprobably won't be seen or duplicated again, and I would say in my lifetime, but to goto four straight super bowls just because of the way the SYSTEMIS set upnow that that would be very, very hard com. Parity is too much now and I didhear Jim Kelly throws amazing parties when, when he was back in his day backin his Dayeah, not now so much ers a different different jym Kelly now. Butyou know back in the day a jym grew up in east Brady, which was like twentyminutes from where I grew up yes, BIDB here. So actually, my wife's Dad Harryhe coast all Jim's brothers in high...

...school, so Ikay like there's some crazyconnection. My cousin Mitch played for the bills a long time ago. You know so there's some billsconnection to go way back for me, but that's it really interesting that yousay that how teams need to bring those people in because there's nothingbetter than somebody who's been to the top so many times ta come back in andtalking to your team or talking to somebody who's having problems andsaying you know hey this doesn't last forever. But if you do it right and youdo it the right way and work hard, and it could be great. Yes, yes, you andit's all about history, know your history and if you know your history,your better chance to y know realize what, like you said, what it takes toget to that. That point where that was everybody's goal is to get to the SuperBowl right. So how did you get now from working with a NFLPA that bowl to xfl?I mean that's an interesting jump. Yeah I was with the NFLPA and then a it was I'm trying to think probably midmade offall octoberish and I got a call from recruiter asking if I'd be interestedin talking to Oliver luck about the xfland as someone taught me a long time ago, it cost you nothing to listen. SoI had interview with Oliver Luck came here to Stanford Connecticut. We talked what they were trying to do and whatthe xfl is all about, really intereste me and it was about reimagining or, I always say justinvolving the game. This game is the NFL and football is that the highestlevel? It can be it's a great game, but there are just like anything. There arelittle things that we can always make better and we can always evolve and thethings that they wanted to do to evolve the game. I thoughtvery well with howpeople are consuming their sports and entertainment these days, and I thinkit was. It was going to be a natural fit and a natural flow that theselittle minor twigs that a lot of people and they're going to have the purestand absolutely there's always purists that want to stick with the pure purityand sanctinty of what they're watching now. But if you look at the youngergenerations there they're, theyre, evolving and they're, saying well yeah,that's great, but wouldn't the game be a little better. If we did this thisand this, so that was the mindset that I've had and the XFL had and it was anatural fit. I'm imagining like at the beginning of the XFL is just a biggrease board and everybody come up and write your crazy. I ideas down andwe're just going to go through and we want to see what all we we come up withand where we can change the rules, and you know I think some of the rulechange you guys, a e made, like shortening the clock getting more playsout there, making te kickoff more competitive without trying to massinjuries. You know because eerybody running down to somebody who's standingstill forty yards is, is kind of insane like right. Exactly and some of thethings we did like you said, were common sensething and there were someof the things that we had that were out there, that we didn't put in there. Sowe've had we've gone through a lot of terations of rules and we shortenedthem and got hem concise to the point where the main thing is we didn't wantto to come across gimmicky and from this we just ended weight three andevery review we'Vei've seen or that's been out there. People have been. Thisis interesting, but no one said: Oh, it's a gimmick, so that was one of themain things we didn't want to do. We wanted to make sure when people tune in,they knew it was football, but it was a football that they thought hey. I likethat. Oh that's interesting. Oh, that makes sense, and that makes thegame safer more and competitive, and just something that as e Boll, justlike, like I said just like people's, how they consume their sportsentertainment. As t e world- and we hope bar game is evolved to help keepup with that. Well, I think you guys are doing the gimmicky things in otherways, not for the players, health and safety, but you know letting us listeninto what the coaches are all saying. You know putting headsets ineverybody's helmet hearing what the quarterbacks you know, brock herdsgoing out and interviewing guys right on the field after touchdown. It's likecrazy, how you know you're loosening up the restrictions that the NFL put oneverything you know and not even have whats te selter. You guys are drinkingafter the game, but LIKT Selso, but I felt serid the one dude, the. I thinkit was a linebacker Dave. He just took the can ripped it off drunk through itand like it was like hey. That's what everybody wants to do so eacte's,making a gimmicky and entertainment in other ways that are that people reallyenjoy, and it's not gimmicky, Gimmick, e's geting an injustice. You know seehesaying even though we're giving ginnaky was the r the old xfl the way they dothey'd run to the center. To grab right...

...right right, let's it's! It's stilllike game, we know yeah. Yes, that's what we want to do when you turn on theTV or go into the stadium. You say: Oh, this is football, but the access andthe other things that you're not used to from thenflr from college. That'swhere we start drawing in our fans, saying: Hey, listen, we're going togive you more access, because that's what a lot of people want hey? What arethey saying in the in the huddle? What are they, how was it quarterback andand a court head coach communicate during the game? What's going on n theat halftime in the locker room stuff like that? Hey someone just scored,let's hear at what his raw emotions after e, scored or braw motions afterhe made an interception or a big play. So those are the type of things thatare going to draw some fans in and fans want and that's how they evolved toconsume their entertainment. I think what they should do. Dave is not takethe players, but have two fans who can run out and try to get the ball fromthe goaliyes and get the ball I can be. I coul take a long time right, yeah,yeah, no, your abuight Seltar go get the ball, butthen you got guys pulling Hamstrins, you don't know Yeahno, but that'sthat's a you guys got to you got to create your fan base. You know yea, Ithink you're doing it in the right way and you're getting that out there and Ijust got to build it, and I think if you keep that purity of the game but take some of those things that are sorestrictive in the NFL off, I think you guys are doing it the right way andit's actually a lot of fun to watch and then that's what we're looking for. WeWant Fun Fan, Fan and family friendly football that people can go out with nan affordable way and enjoy it so that that's our goal. So what is your actuallike? What are your duties for you day in Ad Day out being in theXFL? Well, as best way to describe it as onDetroymentson of the xfl, so anything that touches the football field, be itplayers, coaches, trainers, facilities. Anything that's going to affect thegame that is being played, is under my jurisdiction and so anything for football opps and thenI'll make sure that any major decisions that have to be made I've ved, em andthen pass them along to the commissioner, so that that's my daytoday. So during the week right now I'll watch all four games to make surethe play. If there's anything going on, that is opposite of what we're trying to do.Achieve Rules Wise I'll talk to all the coaches to see, if there's anythingthat came up this week, that they need help rectifying or if there's anyissues that we need to look at broadly and maybe expand something from aLeague lide system and just make sure everybody on our eight teams feel theyhave everything they need to compete for a championship, get their teamsready to compete fora championship right. So if I think back to some of mydays in the NFL, the NFL changed a lot from the fifteenyears. I was in there right when mi first got in there. We could have a hatdeal with a certain company and whear that had after the game and during thegame and Ow you get to pay a little extra money, especially if you'rebackup, that's like great, because I wasn't making the money the tarter was.Are you letting the players? Do things like that, or are you guys saying we'rea Nike, Nike League or Underarmor League? How are you guys approachingthat kind of aspect to help the players maybe try to make more money? Wellright! Now, we're? U, because we're in the enfasy of our league, it's going tobe we're going to do league deals so and it's going to be we're going to tryto build it as an xfl brand and then once we get really established and thenhave chance for guys to break off and maybe do stuff that something willconsider down the road. But right now we want to establish, like I said, thebrand of the xfl and then after that maybe have the chance for for theplayers to be able to break off and do something on their own, because youdon't even know who your xfl stars are going to be it right exactly exactly soit's hard for the to put the cart before the horse or right now. So wewant to make sure as a league we set some some some roots and some ground positioning, so we can springboardforward for not only the League but the players. How did you guys do thecontracts are all the same or is it tenning on position? Or you know wehave a cors standard contract where probably ninety percent of our leagueis Hag and assigned. Now we did our quarterbacks on different RT contractsand there's some specific players that we targeted that we needed to go abovecore to get them in our league but, like I said, ninety percent of ourplayers as a core contract, one of the things that in our research talking tofans they wanted, they wanted a little...

...more compensation tied to thecompetitiveness of the game as in a winning bonus, so everybody's going toget a winning bonus and then another f part of our contract. That's a littleunique, but it's not as distant as a NFL contract, because alot of guys do have that Game Day. Activation bonus right if you're active,you're going to get bonus, so everybody that's active, gets a bonus for ourguys. So there's we have fifty two guys on the roster forty six game day active,so those forty six guys will get an act game to active bonus on top of theirbass, salary and then aevery winning team. We have a basically a hundredhundred thousand plus dollars that gets plit up from the as bonuses for theWenning team. Well, that's good! That's kind of like making the Proba you wantto winit, because it's a difference between twenty five usand and tensandright. Yes, definitely now tell us about so the seasons, sowe've just completed week, three: Where is the championship game? What'sit called? What's the senario there it' it's going to be in Houston, Texas, attdcu stadium, which is on University of Houston Andbe April Twenty six andright now it's called H. Xfl champion chip were still designing the trophy and looking at what the winners will get. There's beensome things talked about, but once we decide well make sure everybodyknows what we're going to do. There Start Your Day, Sundy sine up at theWestin Bonaventure Hotel and sweits, and enjoy breakfast for two on us, nomatter how you plan to spend your trip to Los Angeles start every day with ahearty meal to kick start your morning enjoy breakfast for two on us. For eachday you stay for reservations, be sure. Tha, promocode SFOR B appears in thepromocode box when making your online reservations and Mariottcom backshlaxbw or call one eight hundred two two eight. Ninety two ninety and asked forPromotional Code Sfor B. I think, if you're an xfl champion you shouldn't,get a ring. You should get a belt right. That day, like I said once we decide everybody know you read mymindsomethingealked about, but nothing has been decided. Yet all right, heywe're going to go into our nohoo real quick. This is where we fire somequestions at you and then you know fire the question the Answeris back, but I'mgoing to do a little intro here, real fast. So, okay, hey everyone thanks forjoing us again on Hutdl up with Guss, I'm here with Dave- and you know wewant you to watch us on RADIOCOM and we really appreciate you tune in in tohear this episode with Doug Walley, and you can also see us under the big topat the sports circus, with ring master sal and also on amp TV, so doug we'renow into the no huddle Dave, always fires first wit Dave, let thim at it.Righ do who are two or three players right now. I know you have to remainneutral, but that you're excited about who the leagues excited about who kind of emerged is hey. These guysmight be. Maybe the next face, O the XFL, well, PJ Walker, the quarterback inHouston, he's played really well, I think, right now he is the leagueleader for the MVP. Yesterday, Josh Johnson, he had missed the first game, becauseinjury and week to you could see some promising things, and he was just alittle off here and there he had a big game this past weekend and then thewive receiver out of for Houston, Mr Phillips he's got o think a total ofseven or eight total touchdown. So He's Cam, Philip he's shown a lot andthose three guys right now are pretty much the face of the offensive explosion inthe XFL. It's awesome. What is the one? What is the biggest surprise that youand Oliver have had, and you didn't really see it coming? I think the biggest urprise for us isthat the rules that we did institute that are a little different than theNFL or that all over call all over football. In the football universe, nowit that the con, what we were trying to achieve with those rules have that they're really achieving thosegoads and there's no unintended consequences where we're like. Oh, wedidn't think of that and that's going against what we were trying to achieveby instituting that rule. So the rule changes have come to fruition. The waywe thought- and there hasn't been any back lash or anything that we didn'tthink of that's come up to make our that was detrimental to our game. Now, as a personnel valuator, what is yourbiggest pet peeve...

...biggest pet peeve, I would say, is everybody focusing in on one part ofthe process? What I, what we always used to say is the process takes a fullyear and it starts from fall camp and it goes all the way tilldraft day. So you want to make sure you have every bid information before youput that final draft grade on it and it's easy for media to say well guesswhat, after this guy should be a second rounder, but they don't do they don'tknow about the medical? They don't know about t the conversations you have andthe mental and all the other aspects that go into putting a final draftgrade on a a player and stacking them on the board. So if the media says thisguys should be a first rounder and he goes in the third round, then it's heythe whole nfl miss because we say he's Tha, first rounder, but there's someother parts of the the process that go into making that grade, and that'sprobably for me my biggest Bet Peev. So what do you think the XFL like? What do you guys talkabout? As as we want to be a league that canpece with the NFL, we want tobe a league that can can drive claris to the XFL? What is that? What is thatgoal for you guys? Our goal is to be a standalone professional football leaguethat helps with the ecosystem of football and people love football.People should love more football. sheeple should love opportunities forplayers, coaches, strength, coaches, video guys were trying to just have astandalone league where people aninstead of them going in the thedoledrums after the Super Bowl, say: Oll, guess what I have another ten totwelve more weeks of football that we're not trying to compete with NFLwe're not trying, as I say, there's McDonald's, but guess what there'splenty other fast food restaurants out there like Burger King Wendy's, and wejust want to give the fans that are wholeheartedly all into footballanother outlet to cure what to give them, what they want and that's morefootball all right dug. Is there something you can tell us about? Vincemackmann that maybe the general public doesn't know? I would say he is one of the things hestresses most to people. I know to all his employees is to treat everybodywith respect. He is one of those guys that that is upmost in his vocabularies respect andespecially for people that you're working with and working for. It's allabout professionalism and respect, it's good! It's Goodon! What do you areyou guys surveying the players, because one of the things that when I playedyou know, we had Grep US players, but it was tjust like they always fell ondeaf ears. Are you guys, like surveying talking to the players constantly? Howdo you guys think we can improve? What are you guys feeling that we don't needto do that? We should do better. Well, we're going to Setn, definitelyhave a nice survey of the players right after the season and say: Okay, you'vegone through this whole season. What went well with the offseason? What Wenwell with the during the season? What do you think we should do for next year,because that's that old, saying every day you got eithe get better or worse.You don't stay the same so we wanted to, but we want to make sure we get all theinformation give them the whole year, so they can say hey in the first partof the year. This was great or in the end of the year, this was bad blah blahblah. So we want to make sure that they have all the information and then we'llsurvey hem after to Modave, okay Du. What's your biggest pleasant surprisethat you've had so far with the season. Asn't surprises the how we came out inthe first three weeks and played pretty solid football. We wanted, or one of our main goal isto have a long runway. So we could step out of the shadows of xfl onepoint O to xfl to Bono and make sure when people flippit on xfl, two point:Ov Theyre, like anything that footballs pretty good. So the thing that we were worried about iscoming ofttor, the gate. Usually the offenses are behind the defenses andyou have a lot of penalties and it the football's not as crisp so my our biggest surprise and most pleasantsurpriseis. The Christmas of football that has been displayed these firstthree weeks right, solright, so last question: What are the expansion goalsor plans for the xfl going into the future right nowwe're worried about this yearand going in the next year? Now? Obviously, if things keep going, that'ssomething that we'll have to discuss and look into, I'm not sure that we're satisfied witheight teams, but don't know where it...

...can go and how many more teams. But ifwe get this solid base and footing set the sky's the limit yeah, I would saythat if you're going to go to Ohio, you should go to Columbus, because that'syour home, your hose lot and not clevelandards Fincinani Atthaguy, definitely not oi, but hey. We appreciate you joiningus and coming in and telling us a lotabout your life and how sports influence your life and joining us inthe huddle. It was great to have you on and thanks for taking the time thanksbells aappreciated and then next time I wam back in the bird you I'll come over.I gotto hear that AP, let's all right all right, but lik salter like roundyeah all right, I fella see Budy Rhey. We want to thank you for joiing uptoday on Hoddo up with Guss, where we talke to a wide range of guests abouthow sports shape to life has always enjoined by my great friend and CohosTain Hager, and we want you to be able to follow us on all of our social mediaat how to Wup with Jus, and we really appreciate you and thank you for yourtime and this.

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