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Dick Vermeil


Super Bowl winning-head coach, Dick Vermeil joins myself and Marnie in the huddle to discuss his championship winning ways. An honest man who is not afraid to be himself.  Marnie's Grandfather hired Coach Vermeil to change the culture in Philadelphia. He helped the Eagles reach new heights and still lives near Philadelphia to this day.   Calistoga’s native son, Dick Vermeil (aka Coach), had a singular passion for two things in his life – football and wine. He decided early on to pursue football first, getting his start as an assistant coach right out of college and beginning a professional career that would span decades. A mechanics son, he inherited his father’s relentless work ethic and was known for his tough-as-nails practices and for regularly saying “No one ever drowned in sweat.”  But he was also known for his emotional and inspirational coaching style as well as the willingness to approach seemingly insurmountable challenges head on. As head coach of UCLA, he led the underdog Bruins to a Rose Bowl win over the undefeated and number one ranked Ohio State Buckeyes in 1975; as the head coach of the long-suffering Philadelphia Eagles, he led them to their first Superbowl appearance in franchise history in 1980; and as the head coach of the St. Louis Rams, he led them to a stunning turnaround season and Superbowl XXXIV win in January 2000. Coach’s last professional coaching job was as the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs who he coached for five seasons; leading them to the AFC West Championship in 2003. Retiring from professional coaching for good in 2005 and, with a little help from some friends, Coach began the next and current chapter of his life; actively pursuing his second passion -  making wine.     See for privacy information.

Hey, everyone, we appreciate you joining us in the huddle. I'm your host, fifteen year NFL quarterback gusts fraud, alongside my longtime friend and Co host Dave Hagar, where we talked to guests about how sports shape their life. Be sure to check us out on our website. How do up with Gustscom, where you can listen to more episodes just like this. Now let's join the huddle. Hey everyone, guess fraud here. Thanks for joining me again on huddle up with gusts. You can find us on RADIOCOM or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast, and you can also see us on six and thirty one digital news. Just like the intro set, I'm usually joined by my friend and Co host Dave Hagar. Dave is not with us today, but I have a much better looking cohost today. Marnie is joining me again. Marnie, how are you doing? I'm doing great. Thank you, guys. I always appreciate the Nice compliments in my intro, so thank you. Well. You know, Marnie, I think you deserve all those compliments and I think that you know, Dave would completely understand why we say that. So you know Marnie, I think we have a special guest of yours on today, somebody that you've known for a long time, that that he's known you since you were a little so joining us in the huddle today is none other than coach head, former head coach, Dick for milled. Coach for mill has now coach. You know, he coached with the Eagles of Rams and the chiefs. He was coach of the year on four different levels. I think that's most impressive to me. So he understands, you know, where football starts and in what how kids are made into professional athletes, and I think you we went through all that. So joining us in the Huddle today Super Bowl winning coach of the St Louis Rams, coach for meal. Coach, how are you doing today? I'm doing fine. I'm Marnie, you know. As you know, I was screwed up. I had this out my calendar for tomorrow morning. As I said to Marnie as we were visiting, you know, I'm so spoiled. All My years pro coaching I had somebody with a desk outside my office. It kept me straight and did all my calendaring and all that kind of stuff, and I screw up my personal counter all the time. It's embarrassed. I get mad at myself for doing I guess. Yeah, you're so flexible that you know how to, you know, maneuver on and off the field. Coach, and Garril, I hope so. Marney, yeah, it's got it is great to see you. You haven't changed at all. Oh, I got a lot of great sing what I saw you last in Atlanta a few years ago. Remember. Yeah, no, that was great. And you know, I've probably been about the same since I retired. A drink too much red wine and you know that that's kind of how it goes. And Yeah, happen. But, coach, you know, our show is really we want to find out about you from your humble beginnings, how you started, and really about how how you fell in love with sports. It could have been, you know, somebody that took you out in the yard every day, like your dad, your grandfather. For me it was, it was kind of that way. I could have been an idol you had watching grow up or you listen to on the radio, things like that. What was that humble beginning for you and how you fell in love with sports? Well, my humble beginning I was born in Calistoga in the north end of Napa Valley. At that time on thsan eighteen hundred people in town, a hundred and thirty kids in my high schools. In total, twenty nine in my high school class. But Anyway, so very humble booking. I was born in my great grandfather's home in the Italian side of my family in one thousand nine hundred and eighty. As I told Marnie, we restored that home after the eighty super bowl loss and I ran out of money and her grandfather let her toes, came in and paid for the rest of it. He paid fifty five percent of the remodeling job and so you know I've always been a debt to her RAMPA and I always considered him one of the finest individuals I had ever been around in my lifetime. But anyway, that's where I started. With the high school there played football are we have twenty kids on the team and my senior year a guy by the name of Bill Wood came to Calistoga and his first head coaching job out of college and he is the guy, probably along with my dad, always talking about how much he loved playing high school football himself sort of centered me and got me directed in a direction. I hadn't planned to go to college. I was going to stay and work in my dad's garage. He was going to tear down the Old Barn and build a new it for meal and son's garage and that kind of thing. My High School football coach, Bill Wood, said, you know, if you want to a young man, you could, you could play college football, and I no one ever told me that and that sort of stimulated me. said, but to do so you're going to have to go to junior college because you haven't done anything for four years in high school. And I said, well, you're I know that. You know I know that I rebuilt the thirty six Ford. You know as I drove that. But Anyway, so he started me thinking about it and I respected him so much. We remain close and I went to junior college and had a little success.

I walked on as and, as they state, made the team, earned a scholarship and but I stayed in touch with bill wood and the more I played the game, the more I was fascinated by it, not so much in the playing side of it, but the X is and Ozy the intricacies and and the building of a team and all it. So I decided I want to be high school football coach and fortunately for me, I got a job get after getting my master's in one thousand nine hundred and fifty eight, at Delmar high school as an assistant football coach and head track coach. And I was there one year and I got the head coaching job at Hillsdale high school and Salmon Tayo, right across from the airport in San Francisco. There and I was there a few years. We won championship my second year. My third year we got beat. We didn't have a great team. I went to Junior College coaching is an assistant and from there I went to Stanford University as the freshman coach, and that it just every time the phone rang and it was about a job, I took it and and I liked every job I had. I just, you know, it was an opportunity to grow, maybe get a little better and learn more. And you know, Bill Walsh was a good friend because he was a Sensey state when I went there as a graduate student and we became good friends to develop a relationship and then from then on it was always football, football, football and I recognized I didn't want to stand in a gym and watch kids take a shower all my career. So each time I had an opportunity to advance and in a football situation, I took it. So we moved a lot, carol and I moved a lot and you know, we had three children yet by the time we were like twenty eight, six, twenty seven years old and now have eleven grand schildren because of it. But that's where it all started, really the influence of a high school football coach and and I said, cheese, I'd like to be him. I'd like to I'd like to coach High School Football. And it's amazing, coach, because you know everybody that knows you or it's even had an opportunity to hear you speak, they all say the same thing. Like listening to coach for me, all the lessons that you can teach everybody through your coaching. So you had great coaches and then you passed all those. What do you think? Would like one of the one things that you learned from one of the coaches that you had that you have now implemented in your coaching career? Money? That's good. The strongest contribution. Anyone made one single statement was John Wooden. Okay, when I was at u see a like recruiting season had ended. The day after it ended up in John Wooden's office sort of pouting. I said, coach, wouldn't I lost some real good players to USC and he looked me right in the eye, he leaned forward at his desk and he said, you know, coach, don't worry about USC don't worry about those she loves. They're always going to have better players than you. Just work to make every player you have on your roster the best heat can possibly best he could possibly be both on and off the field, and everything else will take care of itself. So and I have. From that time on I have had that behind me and reinforcing my thinking and reinforcing my actions and decisions making based on that statement. You know it's simple and but very sound. Well, you know, it really goes with your whole theory of you believe in people like I've never been around somebody like like you, because I watched you and I've had the opportunity to see what you've done, but I think that believing in somebody is really truly like this great, this great way to encourage them and to make them the best that they can be, both on and off the field, and you doing my hold by approach, if I energect. You're talking about believing and me my approach was, first off, the most important person to be believed is the person believing in himself. What you do as a leader and a coach, what I tried to do, is reinforce this belief that he really has something to give, he has a gift and what he has to do is to work and develop that gift. My job is to find what that gift is, giving the tools and the advice and the leadership that would allow him to be the best he could be somewhere down the road. But it's going to take time in patience and and hard work. That's right, coach. Do you think that when you try to find that gift in somebody as a player, you have to understand that full person? Right, because I think that a lot of guys that I've known, they you see a lot of talent come through the NFL, but and they all have gifts, right, but how do you pull that out of them? You have to understand that complete person. So tell me what did you do to get to know those players in a way that they really believed and trusted in you? Well, first off, you commute. You communicate honestly. You know. You know if you tell some kind of a fib to a player, it's a secret for about thirty seconds in the locker room and everybody knows. You can lose credibility instantly in an NFL locker room. And you have... make decisions, not always the popular decision, but the right decisions and and not be impulsive about it. Then, if you have a deep enough philosophy, the decisions you make sometimes seem impulsively, but it's you've been there and done it before and you know how you think. And this is how I'm to respond to the situation I'm in. But the number one thing is be honest with your players. Tell the truth. Sometimes they really don't want the truth. They don't want to be told they're not quite good enough. They don't want to be told that they haven't worked hard enough. They want they don't want to be told that they they've overlooked some talent they've had for too long. It's too late. The NFL doesn't sit around a way for you to grow up. You know, and I learned a long time ago. Guy said there's no correlation between maturity and age. You know, I've coached kids eighteen years old that were matures hell, and I've coached guys Sarty five years older were still growing up, you know. So that's what I would do. Gus and and working with the kids. Thing is number one, and then the number two thing is to be a good example for him. You better do what you asked them to do in a way that they can see that you really believe in what you're trying to teach them. You reinforce everything you believe in by your example. Your team will not be what you are. Not. Okay, your family ring to be what you are not. That's all there is to it and it's so I use that and I've actually had NFL players come to me a locker room, says coach. You know. You know because in the offseasons in the NFL we would have position dinners at the House Karen. I would cook for him. The Big Table I have sitting upstairs. We sat at last night. We took it with us because we could see eighteen people on it and we'd have players around there and I had a number of times I had players coming up. Coach. In my marriage, I want to try to develop the relationship that you and your wife have and pass it on to my family. Now that goes you know, you don't get that on football field, you don't get that in a meeting room or any day. You get that in these other little things you add to who you really are and what you believe in, and you know by being an example. Some of these kids have never had, I've never seen a parental relationship. Some of them no know who the DAD is and know I've experienced all these conversations behind closed doors. So I felt that way. I didn't realize that phase was an impacting certain kids, but it was brought to my attention and made me feel good and I didn't have to change anything. But that's what we are all. You know. That's what we do. And but I think the big thing is when you look them in the eye, you got to tell them the true and and you have to be believable in the only way you can be believable is be consistent. And then see you. They see in you, your in your actions, what you're actually talking about. Yeah, and wait, sorry, guys, we're going to say. Yeah, let me real quick more. You know, coach, I've always felt like your example of how you lead. I was a high school coach after I played and you know, I just didn't go any further after high school. But I people would make fun of me because after the season was over and you do the banquet and you talk about the kids and I get really emotional. I always cried. I mean it's just how I am. A very emotional because I cared and and you know, people used to say that about you as well, and I always thought that was wrong. That doesn't mean that you're weaker, you're not stronger, you didn't push the kids to be better. It was I always felt like I knew them intimately and they were like my kids as well. Yeah, well, I'll tell you this. It all. It always used to really bother me, but there's no shame in being who you are. Right and a few years ago I was reading one of Schwartzkoft's books, okay, and in there there's a statement. It says, you know, he didn't worry about the guys that cried or got emotional. He worried about those that did right. Now I agree and I I when I was younger, I used to say no it. Kara would say to me. Now, Dick, don't get emotional. Well, that's it's like saying, Dick, don't take the next step. You've got to be who you are. And I would walk into the NFL stadiums and I can remember you want so vividly. I'm thinking walking in the forty nine or stadium and the old one Hull Stadium and I look up and some guys, some guy y'll say for meal, why don't you cry for me? You know? So I learned to live with it because that's who I am and I thought, you know, when you're eighty four years old, who gives a damn with someone else? Thinks you got to be yourself. I may at any age. Who gives a damn, because I've gone through that coach. You know, I've I've had situations come up in my life. I'll be on a espen for the rest of my life for something that happened to me while I was playing and and people still make fun and talk to me about it when I do radio shows and all that, and I'm just like hey, it happened to me.

You just move on and and you live on. It's not going to bring me down. It's just like being emotional. It's part of life and that's what I am. And Yeah, I can define I can tell you what makes me emotional. So when I get into situations and now I try to not move my mind and presentation into that specific area because I do get emotional and it's about a person, it's about a relationship, it's about a feeling you have in when your emotional person, like I am, that left side of your brain. You can't it just happens and you know, and I learned to live with it, but I know how to say out of it. But sometimes, when trying to stay out of it, I don't get to where I ought to go. Right, I have to say, you know what I mean. I totally understand it. Right and and having the opportunity. You know, you stepped into certain places that were, I would say, hostile environments, like moving from California to Philadelphia and you know, using all your emotion and grit and everything to win that city over. If you were not the emotional coach, I don't think you would have had the love of the city that you ended up having and so being yourself. You know, there was a Latin thing as a qualm with dairy, which means be rather than seem to be, and that is definitely coached it for me all the way. Well, thank you. You know me as well as anybody. But there, yeah, you got to be who you are and you know, and I when every whenever young coaches talk to me and I communicate with certain coaches in and I don't have all the answers, but I just tell him how I feel and more I also tell them in broadcasting. For Fourteen years I was on somebody else's football field, you know, to best football coaches I've ever seen coach football. Where Bill Snyder, Kansas state okay, and Tom Coughlin, Austin College. They're the two best on the field football coaches, leaders and success producing football coaches that I watched, believe me, and you know and don and I've been on don shoots practice field, you know, and those kind of guys you walk away and you say, my God, I wish I was good as they are. You know, that's just how they make you feel. So anyway, you learned. I learned a lot by broadcasting the game visiting locker rooms, being on practice fields and walking off some fields and say, you know, they're really overrated. They just loaded with down with average coaching, and they're winning. Hell, I'd say to myself even I could go back and win here, you know. But when you walk kind of field and see the other where the players are are marginal and they're they're playing teams and beating him, you say there's real coaching making somebody the best, say could be as a collective organization. Well, it's funny you say that coach, because my father in law, who recently just passed, he coached for forty two years and high school level and he was my high school coach. And when my sons came back home to Pittsburgh and he went to Pittsburgh Central Catholic and played there, he would come to the Games and he said look, you know, we would have twenty thirty kids come out for football. We didn't have thirty athletes and we want a lot of games because he taught them how to play football and they were gritty and they they wanted to win for him. He said, if I would have had this kind of talent, I don't who knows what I would have done. You know, he says at all the time and he says you guys should never lose a game with the talent you have on the field. So well, I can say this, and I'm a Marnie knows I'm no Eagle Guy, but in one thousand nine hundred and eighty, if we had a first, second, third round picking seventy six and seventy seven and at first and the second pick in eighty and me seventy eight, we blow in the raiders out. Okay, we didn't have those at those eight nine real high quality football players. We did a great job. My coaching staff did great job making seven, eight, nine ten free agents good players and collectively putting them get together and we end up with some guys, you know, they're going to the pro bowl. They weren't picked to go to the pro bowl. They work to get there. Yeah, I mean that's the mythology. That's why I think people really claim to certain years and certain teams because of the mythology behind it. Like what did and you were able to go into the locker room and create an environment which was, you know, you would walk into this situation where there weren't, you know, a players on the team and make them into a players. And I know everybody talks about your training camp. I want to hear about you. Know How you said, okay, this is my time in Philadelphia. We're going to make this training camp experience as difficult as it is, but really make the players enjoy it, because their results are going to be there. Yeah, well, the big thing is your value way what they need, each position, each situation, each area of your team, offensive, be defensive, with special team. And then you die design practices that allow you to... make each area that we're not good enough in better. And what it adds up to a lot of time. You know, if you're an average golfer, you may never be you know Sam's need, so to speak, but if you go practice you'll get better. The same thing with a football player if you but you have to provide it in an environment, in a temple. That will carry over to Game Day. You know, now you go to football practices, looks like dancing with the stars. You know, teams. I hope they can almost point to each other. I got you blocked, all right, you block me. You know that kind of thing. But no, there's I don't think there are any secrets, their problem. If our at what having the end fallacy. I couldn't do it in the NFL today. It's all controlled by what the League in the Union collectively put together in the bargaining grougrement. So it's not what you, as a leader determine that team needs. It's controlled time, contact, work pads, double days, is all controlled by the Union. You know, a team has already been beating a fifteen times in a row. They don't need as much work as you do. is trying to catch up, you know. But right it's all not fight now. So it's harder to take a loser and make him a winner by out working somebody. Yeah, I have a good friend, Greg Olsson, who's o see of the raiders, and you know, we were talking back in the spring and I was telling about when I first came in the League in one thousand nine hundred and ninety four. You know, I could go out in the field with with Cam Cameron all day. We would just throw and I'd never receive her. And I throw, you know, come back after come back after, come back, dig at the dig, you know, just learning the timing and throwing and and all that and he's like, Oh, yeah, we can't do that today. We get a certain period with time with quarterbacks and being a backup. That's where you get your reps. you know what's amazing to me, guys and Marnie, what's a really amazing to me this first weekend, starting with the Thursday night game, how well these teams are playing. I mean it, maybe I was wrong, maybe I didn't have to work him as much to get him to play as well as I play, because right now, you know, see, I think the football they play today, in the shorter period of time, it's a line at, an assignment football rather than taken you individually and teaching you how to play your position better physically within the scheme and take your scheme and coach areas of the scheme so they can be executed better. Now it's a you have an alignment, assignment and you play because you just didn't have enough time. But I I'm very impressed with the quality of play. Yeah, I thought the Games were great, but I think also, though, coach, that back in the old days, you know the great and that was really how people let you led by the amount of time, by the amount of everything you did. So I think it's different. People now have a you know, just all the different training methods, the training people of different everything is so completely different than it was back in the S and early S. you're right money. But the one thing that's always true everybody thinks her working hard. These guys reading the paper right now is how hard they're working. Boy Was it tough. We had pads on today. Oh my God, it's he it's a joke in comparison. So it's you know, everybody likes to believe they're hard workers. They may not like to work hard, but they like to believe it. In it's very easy to tell somebody a hard they're working. They will always believe you. Well, you know, coach, is funny you say that because I played for the bengals. When you're in Kenny Anderson was my quarterback coach and they'll all change. What's the hell that before? Yeah, see, Bill was what their for offensive coordinator a few years yeah, yeah, well, Clebos a head coach. Kenny Anderson is my quarterback coach and he used to tell us stories about how they used to do three days when he's when he first came he said we didn't have an offseason. We were all working other jobs and we would start early in July. We'd have three days and we had to go through all this and that, and and so when we go out there and we could played about, you know that we'd have a practice in the morning, there would be in, you know, shells in the afternoon and he just laugh at us. He goes, all right, boys, we're going to work. so He'd put us through the ringer every day because he said, yeah, you know, I've done this. Well, I believe in you probably do too. We're in the reason a lot of things are cut back as try to prevent injury, and they know the Cte situation, you know right actually, with it cut back so far now, I think they're creating more injuries because they aren't contact and sincably, ready for contact. At the temple was played on Sunday and I so I think we're getting more injuries. And now I never got the you know, that I hear all the time. I was just soft, soft tissue problem, soft dish. We used to call him bruises. That's what you call right, and called soft tissue injury. Yeah, a bruise. You play, you move your work, you know right, you more about it, but you go out and do it. But so that's all change and some of it is for the good, there no question right. You know, and you know, and I go through it, coach, because when I was in Eighth Grade, my dad, he was a mill guy here in Pittsburgh. He worked for a plant called PPG and when I was in eighth grade,... me a new pair of cleats to play football and the first practice I hurt my foot and I said, Dad, I think I broke my foot. He goes, I don't care what happened to I just bought you those cleats. are going to wear them all year. Just Tie your shoe tighter. And I did. I played the whole season and had a know, it didn't hurt. You did it, it didn't hurt. You go through a little bit, but you learn how to fight through pain and deal with it and and you know, I still deal with that, that mentality today, and I think that's what made me a an okay quarterback. Yeah, that's so I grew up. That's my dad was the same way. My Dad, I think he could be the originator verbal abuse. Okay, my grandfather, you know, he had an unbelievable way of getting on your Butt Right. Well, I think my grandfather would say injured is different than her. Like an injury is very different than being hurt, like winners played her. If you're injured, then you know you'll deal with that. But I think that that gritty mentality which was so exciting and, you know, having and being able to kind of play through that, I think it's why we, I fell in love. It's why I fell in love with football, just watching people out there give it their best and go out there and play and do everything they can to make those ten yards. Yeah, yeah, when you can see that in personality to some people have said to me, you know, you're a good motivate. I said no, I was a good evaluator. Right. I brought people that I saw certain characteristics within their personality and performance before we ever drafted them or signed and that's why they're here, you know, and they might not be the biggest, fastest, smartest, but there's something I liked about the combination of all these attributes, you know. But out there we had we had some mousy drafts in Philadelphia. My last couple of years or so we didn't do as good a job drafting when we had first and Checond third round picks as we did when we didn't have them. So we learned a lesson there two later on. So, coach, when you would go from you went from high school to college to you know all the stops you did before you get to the eagles, did you keep a notebook? Did you do things that you wrote down to remember all this stuff, or did you just have a still trap up there? They remember every time a big writer down her. Okay, I've been stuff. I've sent boxes of stuff, a football stuff. I've sent box is full of John Gruden, who's a personal friend, and and now other young coaches. I've sent them stuff that on the more motor side of my career, when I was doing it more, you know, I had assistance to type it all and write it all and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, I believe in writing it down, I really do in you know, I marnie's been with me when I have a common sense principal presentation is takes an hour to give and do it right, and I work on that every week every time. I could go down. I could go get it out now and the last time I worked on. It might have been middle of last week. I think is something I read something it's better expressed what I believe and I would express it. I incorporate that in my presentation. So you know, otherwise you get a little stale, you know, and right, don't grow it. And I read to learn, not to like a say, just to enjoy and relax. And Carol's always looks at me thinks that crazy because she reads three books a week to just relax and it's a great book and it's good. It's you're tainting, she says. See, anyway, have you always learning? So and we're joined everyone by coach Dick for meal. We're going to take a short break with you. Right back. Hey listeners, thanks for joining David I in the huddle. We invite you to join our excusive huddle through Patreon, where you can get access to content made just for VIPs like yourself. Head to our website. How Dole up with Gustscom and hit support our podcast on the pop up ad once again. That's huddle up with gustscom. Now let's get back in the huddle. Hey everyone, we're back with former NFL head coach Dick Formal coach for mill has been telling us some great stories about his life growing up and you know how he got started in coaching and in the people that made an influence in his life. And now we're onto the eagles and telling us some great story. So, Marnie, I know you have some incredible questions for coach Vermil. You know, growing up seeing him in that building every day with your with your grandfather, with your mom. They're so go ahead. I know you have some incredible questions for coach for Mel. Well, you know, I would definitely say that coach for me all taught me the work ethic that I believe I have. I know that his work ethic was incredible. So, coach, you obviously have not. That is not slipped away, as you've aged, you know, gracefully. So what do you I mean? How do you continue to have this drive and great like? What are your motivators to do that? Well, I think it's very, very important... you get older to keep moving, but not not just your feet, your head as well. Okay, and it. I think it's so easy to wind down. Let's see, I'll be eighty four this coming month. I want to wind up to be I want to be in on the upper one percent of eighty four. You know enough that I'm just trying to live longer. I just like to live older better. Okay, and I haven't stopped doing anything I like to do because I made it for that. I did it forty four. Okay, some things I don't do as well, I'm sure, but hey, I'll be in Montana first week of November in the hills of a ninety three thousand acre run for elk and and there will be guys a lot younger that are staggering when they come in. And I feel great. But you have to work at it, you know. You had it. Yeah, make a contribution every day to to your own personal health. You know. So all right. How do you deal with disappointment? Poorly? That's that's it's a good question. You know. That's a good question morning. You know, the first thing to do is to evaluate the disappointment and what percentage of the reason of the disappointment is related to you directly. Right. You know a lot of people handle disappointment in properly and that they look for other people to blame. You know, I'm not a blamer. In fact, probably a fault sometimes. I want to assume too much of the fault for the disappointment or the loss or whatever, or the real problem. And I've learned over the years it many times it was I was at least a percentage of it. So first he got to be grateful for what you have, you got to be grateful what you are and you got to look forward to trying to be what you'd like to end up being. You'd like to be a little better than you were yesterday or last month, and you don't have to be fifteen, eighteen or thirty two do that. You can do that the rest of your life. I just like to be better on my eighty four birthday than I was on my eighty three in certain things within my life. You know, and and it can happen. And I think, for you, think that people that are really good at what they do they're resilient enough to say, like, I'm going to set an egg timer with this disappointment and when that's over, I'm going to move right on, turn the page and keep going. Yeah, more opportunity had of you. That's true. Money you and that's one reason I left the coaching in eighty two. I got so I did a very, very poor job at that. I would blame a loss on Sunday to something on I did rather than the overall picture why we lost. Or maybe we got beat better paint or a guy fumbles a ball. He fumbles a ball, or a guy throws an interception. I would fight, I should run a running play, he wouldn't. You wouldn't throw an interception, all these things and they build up so pretty quick. You're not handling the lost properly because it's a distraction from preparation to do something better next week. And I it was a snowball effect on me. I mean it just really bothered me and I can remember we were in Dallas and we beat Dallas. You know, it was a second time. We beat Dallas and Dallas and we're landing in Philadelphia that night and I'm I got my notes out on my lap. I'm working on next week and all that, and Carol looked at me and she said, but I got that. Why did you take a minute and just enjoy the fact that you won? And I got so that the joy of winning didn't last very long because I was moving my thinking to the next challenge too soon before I relaxed and really enjoyed it. Then when I would lose, I couldn't get over the lost because I kept going evaluating why we lost and what I could have done as the coach to have prevented it. You know, and that you start doing that. Okay, it's snowballed on me. It just wore me out. So, coach, you talk. I learned how you move. Yeah, yeah, you moved from the Eagles. So there you have some some you know, at the end of Your Eagles coaching career, that had to be tough for you because you fell in love with the city, the city loved you and and as we know, a lot of coaches will move on. And then you go to St Louis. So tell us what you took to St Louis of all those things you learned from Philadelphia. Well, first off, a gust. I took a way to coach a football team in one thousand nine hundred and eighty with me to in nineteen, seventy, nineteen, at ninety seven. Okay, Hey, nobody was doing it that way anymore. Guys would come to our training camp visiting college coaches and the good travel around the training camps during the training camp season and then the their college season starts later, and they would always come up... me said, coach, I was so and so practiced lat the last couple of days I was over here love him, and out there there. That's not a kind of football practice you're running here. I said, I don't know any other way to do it. The only way to get better. You know, there's there's like I say, Marnie's heard me say, there's no correlation between working lesson getting better. Never has been, ever will be. Right. You know that's true. Right. You know what? Nobody yet trying to sweat. Yeah, I took the ability. Gotta do big things. I took the ability to you when I walked away from me and went home or offseason for relax and enjoy that kind of time. And we won the ball game. I enjoyed the bus ride from the stadium to the airport, to the flight home the first day of the week, and then I started preparing the next game, you know, and I didn't dwell on why we lost. I was dwelling on getting ready to do the next thing. We have to do better. You know. Well, you know, coach, you talked about you know, if you would have had that talent in one thousand nine hundred and seventy nine, you know when you went and played the raiders. Now you have that talent and St Louis, you know you have some amazing talent. And then you have Trent Green as your quarterback, who I've known Trent for years. We were together the redskins. And then he goes down and then the emotional roller coaster that you go through your team to find the next quarterback, and Kurt Warner steps up. So tell us a little bit about that journey for you, when you know the pieces are there and then one piece goes down. How do you how do you deal with that? Well, you know, we dealt with it the only way we could. We didn't have much of a choice, but we had Kurt there. And the one I learned in not being my own quarterback coach and own offensive coordinator and calling my own plays. When you're on the practice field, you see more. Right. I would see every player every day do everything and and I'm standing the defensive secondary during a defensive period with Kurt Warner running the opponent's offense as the quarterback and he's eating US alive throwing the ball, and I would walk off the field and I'd say to my defensive coaches, eve, either we are terrible or in defense, or this kid can play. But you tend, you tend to have an attitude as a coach in the NFL as well. There's no way he'd ever do that in like situation in a game. He's just run the plays off a card. You know, no way that anyone could do that. You know. And but you know, sooner or later I notice things, for example, because you'd appreciate that they would have a pass pattern on a card and circle to where they wanted the ball thrown for against the defense, our defense. Yeah, I hate that, but yeah, yeah, Kurt would go back drop, look, boom, boom, and he throw it to the open guy over here to the Left, you know, twenty yards away from where he was supposed to defensive coaches would come on me. I say cut and he was covered. I'm what over here? You know, he just you know some things. Some people just see that and that and they have that instinctively approach or feel that they can do it without were you thinking about. They just do it, you know, and that's what's really started separating him. As he got the opportunity to play. You know, it's amazing if you look at his for his first five games are the finest first five games ever played by a quarterback in the history of lady numbers was right and he had works incredible. Yeah, you know I and talking to me, you to be the universted this and talking to I've been invited to the leadership college in Lex in Kansas, where they trained for military leadership in the military race there and they have leadership programs going on all the time and they're trying to determine what makes a person become a medal of unerwinner because, first off, they come all different size, shapes and frames of mind, all that, and they're trying to do it so they could do a better job of teaching these qualities when young military kids come into the programs. And it's the same thing with a quarterback. You know, all guys become a hall of famers that they never you know, Kurt warners a perfect example. He's a metal of honor winner from a football schadpoint. No one expected him to do that. He did it. You know, they're guys that throw themselves on hand grenades and when the metal of honor yes, they're gone, but no one expected her or trained him to do it. It just something compels them to do the right things right at the right time, and that's what was Kurrent. Plus he was extremely accurate off balance. He didn't have to have everything perfect. Now I listened to these commented this weekend. I laugh at it. Well, Geezy didn't have his feet right, he just you know, there isn't a defensive lineman designed to allow the quarterback to have a see every...

...sure if you're playing against their own Donald jeezus. Oh yeah, he's the best. He's absolutely UN that. They shouldn't compare him with anybody else, because no one compares with him. I watched him Monday, is Sunday night, my God, and I've watched other defensive tackles that make as much money. They don't play like he does. No, no, you know, in coaching you look at Patrick Mahomes and I think when you were talking about that, that's who comes to mind. Just thrown off bound through different ways, different you know, he is Kurt Warner, but with more athletic ability. I don't know if he throws a ball any better, but he has more any athletic ability. Movement skills and flexibility and you almost hope when you're playing against Patrick Holmes, you don't create a broken play for him to go beat you on. Right. You're all rights better letting him execute perfectly and try to defense rather than create havoc in his face and him get out of there and boom, throw a touchdown past as somebody wasn't supposed to. You know, that's just him and I don't think you can coach all those secondary reactions. I think they just sort of come to you. You know. Well, Hey, Marty before I know you have another question. But before you go coach, if you see what Patrick mahomes his contract he just got, and you think about when you first started coaching at the Eagles and how the Times of change that you got into the NFL, it's kind of flabbricassing to kind of under understand how that went, because I have a lot of friends that were older. You know, all these old steelers that I know that because I live here in Pittsburgh and I do Charity Golf tournaments with them and you just hear him chirping about that all the time and it's insane. Yeah, well, it's you know, it fits with a TV dollar, you know, really right. It really does. What I coach. You know, when I left UCLA I was making thirtyzero a year. No, we're now where. They paid chip for million. Five million, I don't know, and it's just a product of our times. When I coached, I coached the Eagles for seven years. Made four hundred fiftyzero total, but I had deferred compensation. That that hell, I thought it was great and I've got a twentyzero raise a minute. I signed the contract. That was big money in those days and I wasn't underpaid. I was paid better than the average coach in the NFL at that time and they didn't have deferred compensation and they didn't have Leonard Toast to cover up mistakes you make financially. And he paid for him. Okay, so it know it's different. Yea. I I selfish to say it's about time they start paying the coaches, you know, the first guy that gets fired when teams lose, the coach. If he's at important, then you ought to pay him that way. If he's the most important, he's the reason you lose, then he might be part of the or a big biggest percentage of the reason you win. Guys like Don Shula Bill Walsh forced ownership to start paying difference makers because they found out that a coach could come to a program that's been losing and change it, change the community, change the culture on the team and change the windloss records. And they said, well, my God, you know, I had. I had three coaches are nfl hall of fame right now. To have told me in the old days, Coaching Football, coaching positions in the NFL are are something the owners looked for. is they have to have it because it's mandatory. They would just as soon not allow the coach to become the figurehead of the organization. That wasn't my case. What Lenard does, but there have been coaches. You know that it coached in that environment. You know that. Yeah, so when all of a sudden they start painting coaches more, it's because guys proved that they could go somewhere and change at all and just change it all dramatically. You know John Payton's done in New Orleans and you've done so much off the field, coach. You know your empathetic heart radiates. So I mean you. I think that you know you're so charitable. What drives you to want to give back off the football fields? What are some of the things that make you feel compelled to do that? Well, you know, I have unbelievable respect for the blue collar workers. My family, my dad was a black color work a greasing and I never saw with clean hands until we buried it, okay, at seventy six years old, with the guy to cancer, the Pancras, but he was always greasy, always already, always working seven days a week might our family never went on a vacation. So and I see hard working people I have great compassion for and I get a I see how I was raised. I see people that I was raised by. The we're friends of my family, my wife's family and Freddie Annie family, these people that I all grow up. I grew up, but I'm still affilled with these families. But their other generations. Is it? I just identify with him much more than I... somebody else a way up in the upper class. Now I respect them and I like to be around people that have been extremely successful financially in every way, because I just like seeing how we how they do it. You know, was it an accident? It was it a gift, or did they inherited. You know, more often than not it was because they are honest and worked hard. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, and and I know you know I've forwarded you emails from people saying, Oh, coach for me, old did this for me, and coach for me also. You have almost such a touch that everybody feels connected to you and you've given back so much, certainly in this city of Philadelphia, whether it's the wrong McDonald house or finding time as you're walking through a hospital and somebody will flag you down and say, coach, my mother sick. Will you come say hi? And it's really amazing if you put all your energy into stopping and making people feel good about themselves, because obviously you really like yourself too and you have confidence in your own skills, and that's really just so refreshing and so unique. And what makes you know? I call it a gratitude attitude. If you're really grateful, if you're really sincerely grateful for everything's that regardless of if there's a lot of money, whatever it is. If you're like we just lost our entire red wine crop in an APP of valley due to this week. Okay, no red wine for two thousand and twenty. Carol's first comment to me, as I'm about ready to cry in my show her shoulder. She says, you know, did we would be grateful. We didn't. We didn't know. One's house burned down. The vineyard didn't get burned up. You know, it's not in flames like a lot of people out there are. Experience, and so you know, she's right. You got to be. If you remain, like I say, at gratitude attitude, you can make it positive out of a negat if you keep adding the negatives, do it, it pulls you down. You don't look forward to getting them in the morning. Yeah, you really don't. And I see in other people traits all the time that I appreciate and they don't even know I'm evaluating. You know. You know if if you go to a market in the teller is is, you leave there and said, Cheez, what a great lady she was, you know, and you can leave another in the same building and walk at what a painting as you was. And right, it's so. I just I just believe that that that you went and I'll also I believe when you recognize something, you really appreciate it, you better let the person that stimulated that thought. No light. Yeah, you know, I've said that many I up said make time buoyant something you're really good at what you do, and they look at it, you know, startled. Yeah, yeah, well, I always have this little test dat when I go somewhere. Yeah, where I go somewhere, Marty and coach, I love to open the doors for people to see how they react, if they say thank you or they appreciate or maybe they'll they'll carry on it to somebody else, you know, and and that just kind of let you know, like when my wife and I go all over the country like you do, coach, we do that all the time, just to see the reaction and the people that are around. Some people don't say anything, some people are very grateful and and really stay stop and talk to you, and it's just a way to something small gesture like that that my dad always drove into my head, that you should be grateful and help other people. Yeah, you know, I'll give you a story on Kurt warrener. He first comes into the League, he's making minimum showering as my third quarterback in und ninety eight, okay, and all of a sudden he's making three hundred, Fortyzero, whatever it was at that time. I mean rich man in his mind right. He his wife would go out to dinner and invariably he would look around the room and he would pick up somebody sitting there with their children's check and pay it as he walked out. Honest to God, not once, often, often. So you know that that's the great example I can give you what you're talking about, a person actually being truly grateful for his opportunity and spread that gratitude to somebody who doesn't even know. Amazing. But always say civility is not a sign of weakness. No, remember my grand that was his saying with civility is not a sign of weakness. So I think that those are great lesson. I used to say that you use a true the term. When he's he's really improven, I'm said, God, he's really improving, and he heard me say that all Toma got, he really improven. He'd say, you know, siddingly get, you know you can die of improvement. He said, my own father died of improvement. This is he told me on your grant great grandfather. He would see him when he was ill and the doctors would say he's improving, improving, and that he then he passed on like it, like your Grandpa said, he died...

...from improvement. Right. Oh my goodness, that's a good story. Yeah, it's a good lesson improvement. I mean we have to really make the action happen, not nothing. Your grandpa used to say, and Carol had this sticker on the refrigerator for years, there are givers and there are takers. Be True. That's how that's how he that's why I love to give somebody out of hundred all our ability. Never saw one before he could. You know, it's interesting to me is that you've dealt with owners, right, you had to deal with owners as the head coach and GM's and you have to do with every side of it as being a head coach. And so when you were with Leonard for all those years, you know, and and then you go on to the rams and then the chiefs and and you have different owners in different you know, not only different players, but you have to deal with the front office people as well. So what did you learn from Marnie's grandfather that you took with you through all those other places, all the other stops that you had? Well, Leonard had been firing people and leadership positions here for a while because they weren't getting good results. And he's in Paul Shave fire, get him out of there. Pete Rats, laugh coaches and it's kind of stuff, and I felt, well, if I'm going to be successful here, I better get to know this guy, I better develop a relationship with it and as I got to know on my better understooding. The other thing he would do in the offseason my first year, because you don't coach a game, you get there in January or February. You don't coach a game until September. So you're there in your office all the time. and Mr toses officers right across the half on me and I'm Friday night is boy, you're going home, boy, you're got your the weekends free. You're going to going home and relax, and I'd be walking out. He said, stopped and have a drink with me. So I'd said inner. I hated Scotch. Okay, I did not like Scott. I learned to like Scotch because I pretended to like Scotch to have a common conversation piece with Leonard. What do you think of that, Scott Oh, I love it. I love it that doers is really good. I do not know. I hated it. It disc Oh, I get home, I say, Carol, I drink do scotches. What I think? You know my he it's terrible. Now my neating drink is Scotch and I'll tell you. I don't think I ever drink a scotch without thinking a Mr Cos, you know really develop you know, I'm the only guy's in the history of the NFL coach free teams and never got fired. Maybe I left prematurely, but but I never got fired. And but I had a great relationship with each owner and when coaches asked me what's the first thing I ought to do, I always say coach the owner, because he's going to be sitting in a press box with everybody thinks he knows everything and all they're going to hear about art when it's bad are the real bad things. And then it's a coach is fault. It's amazing. Doug Peterson losers a game. They forgetting one's a super bowl. You know, it's amazing. Oh yeah, so I made it in that I made a real effort to be in the owner's office when they were in towns that St Louis the owners office was not even in town and in Kansas City the owners office was in Texas. But I made an effort to build and create a positive relations and ship with him. So when I told him something, they really believed and what I said in my process that I was applying to what I was trying to do and if they really be on letter. We used to go in vacate. Lena would take us on a vacation to get me out of the building and then he take our kids along too, you know, and and we would have a great time. We would have a great time and then you go back to work. So you know, he knew all my strengths and weaknesses and he he I knew his and I know certain areas where I don't go. I can remember so distinctively walking in his office one day and I'd say, Mr Tose, I got this problem, and he look me right up, he looked up over his death there and he says that, he says, Dick, I hired you to handle the prophecis when he says I don't need to be handling these problems, that's your shot. So I would go to Jim Murray. And if Jim Murray, you know he should have been the pope's offensive coordinator. But right, we solve problems together. You know, he said I don't need the aggravation. would be Mr Tosa's comment. I don't need the aggravation. I got too many other things going on, and that's right. So that really freed me up. It's St Louis Georgia. I knew her because I had work the one you first year that the Rosen blooms took over the rams, I had worked there and when they fired a head coach, they asked me to stay and Mr Rosenbloom said to me, you know, if you were older, I'd make you my head coach. That's exactly what it's did. So years later I became his widow's head coach. Okay, it's right, Louis, yea. And in Kansas City...

...was Lamar Hunt. There's no finer man had ever held that position as a leader, NFL owner. You talked about, you know, billionaire, humble, you know it's thrifty, not a big spend for but just as sincere, wonderful human being really, I think, one of the all time great guys. But you know, if you don't spend time with your owner, you don't get to find these things out. He'd really don't. Yeah, and I you know, and I heard that Georgia she loved to eat dinner really late. So did you get, yeah, dinners late with her? Oh Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you a story. This is true. This is one thousand nine hundred ninety nine, our last year and we're starting to get good. Georgia would go to the way games. She'd fly into St Louis, spend a couple days and then fly with the team and she would say and after almost I don't know how many times, we'd be landing into St Louis and then we're going to land at seven o'clock, eight o'clock, five o'clock, whatever, and she asked me to go have dinner with her and I'd always say, Georgia, I got to be in the office to warning seven o'clock. We just lost the game or we just want I got it now. I just can't go out to dinner. I've got to go to work. So now the third year in it and we beating a few teams and we're really playing well, and she comes up to me and she's hurt. Exact comment. I suppose you won't have dinner with me tonight when we land. Carol hits me in the arm us. Oh No, I'll do it, George, your right money. Nine o'clock Sunday night. We're in a restaurant that had closed. Okay, was closed. It opened it for her and it was I mean that set it up like the Queen of England was coming in and she sit back of the table and you'd have to have a Martini with her. She loved her Martini and her significant other was a great guy, big reinforcement guy, and we did it, but it took me three years before I did it. But actually Kara was the one said you better to. Yeah, so you developed the relationships. You develop these relationships and you never forget those. I think I think about the relationships more than I do the Games. Yeah, I'm the same way. I'm the same way. Coach. Truly quick, tell us about before we get into our last segment or two minute Jill, but tell us about how you took all your experience in football and coaching and leadership into the making of wine in the wine business. Well, first off, the wine business became a natural to me. I grew up, course, in Collnstoga and my grandfather vermil made all our family wine. My great grandfather on the Italian side got a ball. Do I carry own a portion of the Freddy any vineyard from which we get our grapes today. Okay. And so my grandfather vermil would make wine and as I got a little older than my brother and I would be assigned to help and do some of the physical stuff. That wasn't tough for anything, but I developed the interest. Then the communication at the dinner table, in the holidays and everything. The conversations always centered around my grandfather's wines and this vintage compared to this vintage and the taste, the aroma and all these different things that fascinated me. And Hell, if I wanted a glass of wine at ten years over the dinner table, I had a glass of wine. It was expectat you know. So you know, that's how I developed the interest. And then my dad's best friend was Gen Freddy Annie. My Dad didn't hunt, Jean was an hunter. Took me as a kid. So we developed a really good relationship and he built a small family vineyard into a hundred and seventy eight or vineyard as exist today in Caliusoga, part of it in this city limits. You know it's a gold mine. Is sitting up right now that they're not sell any grapes because they're all tamed to do to the smoke, as I said. Right, anyway, that's how I developed the interest in wine. I started making wine as a hobby with friends that I grew up with a new the Freddy Anti family, and the son in law had a little winery. I asked him to to make some Jean Louis Vermille Cabernet. That was my dad's name and my great grandfather's name from France. said I'd like to put that on a wine limmit, because wine was always a symbol within our family of something that's really good. It anyway, right. So a guy did it. We made about a hundred and fifty cases and I had no money in it. He sold it as his Cabernet made by on the edge Wine Rey Pulse Smith. Well, we win the Super Bowl ninety nine. He sold off hundred fifty cases in other than what I and I paid retail price for what I bought out because he paid for everything and bring boom was gone. So he said Hell, let's do this again. So we did it again, and I'm out of coaching, and we did it again and that. We just kept doing it that way all the way till two thousand and eight. In fact, last night I shared a bottle of two thousand two Jenrei Vermille Cabernet. Had totally different label and everything and not nearly as sophisticated to process as is today, but it was an outstanding glass of one. We had it for dinner last night. Anyway, my friends came in with real money who don't like don't mind losing it, and said, let's turn your hobby into a full...

...fledged business. You have all the connections. So they yeah. Well, their first thought they get on their private jet. We fire the Napa Valley, we look at vineyards to buy and went wineries to buy and and all of a sudden they start putting the numbers together and said, you know something, maybe we ought to just buy the grape from pretty any vineyard. Okay, that's that. You don't have to do all the service work, just pay for the great right. Don't have to own the land and pay the tax. And they said, well, rather than buying a winery. Why don't we custom crush like a lot of these top wineries do? A lot of people do you. You rent their facilities and use them in your winemaker goes are and work. Is it? That's good. So we're still in that process. Okay, and it's a good thing we did it that way, though, if we had purchase the one place that we really seriously looked at purchasing that at home on and had a ten Acre Caberin at vineyard and all that, they turned it down and didn't buy it. These guys had the money to buy it, they didn't buy it. It's worth about four times out of much today, if you talk about it's amazing. Yeah, it feel really bad for all those people. Anything we really own? Yeah, the only thing we really own is the label and the process and the business routine in that. But we have yet to break even in the business. And but that my partners, one of us, but one of my closest friends. He is not going to allow us to fail. Our wines are reaching very high quality, high quality lines, and we don't make a lot of it, but right now we can't sell it because we're not open. So it's online selling is going better than it ever has, which, when we are able to open up, will help us get at least break even. Having Eight and eight season. You know, something like right, right, well, you drinking all your problem? Yeah, we're on the way to Super Bowl. It was going great guns at January and February, but while we would in the toilet. Well, we have fact a line business and I'm often think now we won't have a two thousand and twenty. I don't know what we're going to do. We haven't figured that out yet. You'll figure it out. I'm sure you know how to win, coach, and I'm sure that you're going to pull your team through. You know, a hell a lot easier in the wine bingess if I were in the nap of Valley Right Right Philadelphia. There's US no visiligs in and miles away. You know, and you know there was. It was a time. I wouldn't mind going back at all, but if I were there in the valley, it would be easy for me to sell the wine. I have never poured the wine for somebody that didn't like it. Okay, right, and the big thing is to get the right people in there to port to which I if I were there I'd be able to do it, but doing it from here. I've got a hundred and two wine club members in Philadelphia. I have more wine club members in Philadelphia then we have in the state of California. Okay, right, I'm there. I'm here. I canceled five wine events in the last two months. I've got six on the schedule coming up and yeah, here I can sell it if I can get the people there, you know. But any well, hopefully I can get in your wine club some day. And who get Pittsburgh going? Yeah, a lot tougher than the NFL. You talk about Pittsburgh. Chuck know was much more knowledgeable wine taster than me. He had the pallet, you know. He was a wine nut. He used to chuck what he fly in California. He would he would fly back with Napa Valley winds on his plane. The team playing. One time we're playing Pitt we're playing Chuck Noll, okay, here in a preseason game and before the game I sent over a box of right at Napa Valley high quality wines. Now, I wasn't in wine business then, but I could always get what I wanted and I said put it in his locker as a gift because I knew he was a wine nut and we beat the hell out of him in the preseason game. If I walk, I meet him at midfield, he grabs my hand. He said, Vermil don't ever set me up with a case of wine again. That's awesome. That's I said a lot of our vermal wine to chuck before he passed away. Even though he had Alzheimer's, he still had a he's still liked wine in his yeah, his wife would part for him. Yeah, yeah, I usually have a couple to every night at dinner as well. So Hey, coach, we're going to get in our two minute droll real quick. So Hey, so on our put that two minutes up for coach. You ready to go, Marty? I'm ready. All right, coach, really quick. Would you rather have a gas or electric car? Gas. All right, coach. Your Hidden Talents? barbecure. What's your biggest pet? Peeve people that are lazy. Yeah, your favorite charity? Just the county boy scouch and children's Hospital. Love it, love it, all right, coach. Hot or cold? Which one do you prefer? All right, how about your favorite quarterback, friend green? Love it, love it. All right, coach, if you could change places for one day...

...with a person, who would that person be? Trump? That's a good one. What about your scariest moments? I scariest, HMM, instant moment was about a month ago we had a lightning storm out here in the country and a lightning bolt. I was in the garage at six o'clock at night and a lightning bolt hit right near it knock the lights out of the Cross and I have never heard an explosion like that in my life. I don't know what a bomb sounds like when you're near it, but it just, I mean, I just it's scared the hell out of me. It really did. I I didn't I would looked around, couldn't see. It was dark and I expected to see flames and everything else going and it. You know, it was probably not twenty five yards away, but with the whole everything we have out here in their building is grounded because we do get lightning storm right, but it doesn't muffle the noise right. All right, coach, we know you like wine, but what is your favorite flavor of Ice Cream? Lately it's anything with coconut in it. Oh, that's a new one. Coconut. I like it all right. Last one morning. We're going to keep the field. Go here. Okay, wait a minute, I'm going behind the behind the behind the curtain here. All right, what about your favorite sports movie? I think the one about the hockey team when we won the Olympics with a team here. Yeah, Mir you know I've always seen invisible. One time. Yeah, I see, as I said, you know, through John Wood's advice. I don't go back and read stuff, look at stuff. I don't like to see myself. Okay, and I really enjoyed the movie. I thought they did a very good job in the quality of the movie, and I see bench all the time. But the the the the hockey story was unbelievable. Yeah, that was that was a great story, the speech, everything, it's just an amazing it's an amazing movie. So, coach, that was our two minute droll. We didn't make it an the end zone, but we kicked the field goal. I'm sure that you felt that a few times and you're people who do that. He some undefeated teams around tonight. Right, right. So, coach, please let all our fans know how they can follow you or find you, where they can go. Maybe to buy your wine. Well, I know I don't have anything. They have for MEA wines. Just Google for MEA wines. That's our website. Okay, I'm not on in Graham. I have an instagram that they put up from the watch. I don't use it. I don't use any of that stuff. Okay, but my my email address was our a v coach at comcast dotnet. Okay, my cell phone since one of the five, six, three, e hundred and eighty eighty seven, and I'm here and I'm always. Well, I'm surprised your grandkids haven't put you on everything yet. Come my calendar and I that do those kind of things, but go ahead, I don't that's the your best way to contact me. All right. Well, Hey, coach, we really appreciate you. Martie. Any last words for coach? No other than just thank you, coach. You know, you're such an inporation and I'm so grateful. I know for me, when I ever I see your name pop up on my phone, it's like, oh my gosh, coach. I mean that is I'm very fortunate and I know you've influenced so many people and thank you for that. Just thank you for that. Gift and thank you for saying yes and making the decision to move to Philadelphia all those years ago. Thank you well, thank you to your sweetie. Always have been all right. Coach a, thank you for all the hard work that you give it, to the NFL, to everyone, and thank you for joining us on huddle up with guests. We really appreciate your time. All right, you take care of both of you all. I all right. Thank you by that's our show everyone. You could find us on RADIOCOM or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast. CHECK US out on six thirty one digital news and everyone have a great day. Thank you for joining David I in the huddle. We hope you enjoyed our podcast. If you'd like to hear more podcast just like this, go to huddle up with Gustscom, where you can find our social channels, subscribe to hear more by our merchandise and join our scous of huddle through patreon. Please join us next week when we talk to more guests about how sports shape their life.

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