Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

Episode · 2 years ago

David Hanson

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Former NHL player and star of the 1977 classic "Slap Shot", Dave "KILLER" Hanson joins the huddle. We talk; pranking Paul Newman, Dave's NHL and minor league experiences, and how to use foil in a fight or at a BBQ. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You may know them from the Robert Morris ice rink on Neville Island, where you may have been a fan of his during his many years of playing professional hockey, but chances are you recognize him from this s cult classic slap shot, one of the movies full loving, hard hitting, handsome brothers. Please welcome to the huddle, Dave Hanson. All right, welcome to huddle up with gusts. We're here today or ten episode. We're pretty excited to have a special guest on today, Dave Hanson. Did you guys probably know him from a very famous sports move be, but I'm so excited to hear his story and hear about how sports shaped his life and all the transition he's gone through. So, Dave, thanks for joining us today here on Otto Up. It's great. Look forward to it. Yeah, so what we try to do is really go through your life story and how sports affected you and where you are today with it. We've had CEOS, Kevin Rabbit from ANYP, we've had former athletes, everybody on. So I'm really excited now now you're our first. You're our first hockey I you know I I'm a huge hockey fan. I have a lot of friends who've played. When I was in St Louis, Keith Ka Chuk, Billy Garren, Doug Waite for some of my good friends, and you know they we all kind of left St Louis. Yeah, yeah, so, well, I do have a little Canadian in me, but yeah, yeah, my family's from. I have a lot of family in Saskatoon, but now I try not to go up there. Gets kind of cold. But so, you know, one of the things we always start with is about when you were a kid. Really what influenced you? I mean I lived in Minnesota for four years and understand what the lakes are like. And then are freezing and the kids are out on them. It's a special thing to watch. But you know, how did you get started? Was it your father? Was it a brother? How did you get started playing? It was a neighborhood, you know, we had we lived in the neighborhood. I had a playground and it was runned by the city of St Paul and every winter the city would come out and they'd boss the field and we had this old, crusty old guy named bill to go through the big fire hose and you had flood the fields and then he would you would. They would put up Dash reboards and create a hocking. So you have it. He had one big way a baseball fielding part of the football field. Hors was a big Olpit, skate areas ride, yeah, and then tuck over in the corn. You had a dash boards and literally it was just it was your typical sandlot type activity and atmosphere where everybody neighbor. Everybody skated. They go down and skate and you know, you'd pick up a hockey stick if you wanted to play hockey. And you play with kids from beginners to high school kids, and everybody find a way to play with each other and a little fisticup broke off the fine. You know, you didn't have parents and the sideboards, you on the screaming and you did settle it and be over with and that was kind of the start. That's what we did every days through the winter. Money. Yeah, we are pretty hungry more than yeah, that's the way we do it to you. When you played, you went out, you put your bikes out for your football field or whatever it was, and you settle things on your own and and you were still friends afterwards, you know, and you kept the parents out of it. So was that you kind of were in the neighborhood. Was Your Dad a hockey player? Well, my dad wasn't a farm boy out of Wisconsin and back up there those farm boys played baseball and football and basketball. I don't go. Yeah, those times and but it was kind of one of those things where, you know, and as I use growing up, and especially in St Paul or Minnesota, you're pretty much had, even though you had four season you had three season sports. You had baseball, football and hockey. Yeah, but we did we we play hockey in and Winder and we skate and then in the summertime he had it. He had a neighborhood booster club, which was the merchants that would get together and through the playgrounds and we play football or we play baseball. So it really kind of you know, my youth was not organized hockey, yeah, more organized football and baseball. Yeah, and then as we got a little older and started getting towards the High School Times, which six, seven eighth grade, and then you...

...started playing more organized sports, which was still community run right. And then once we got in high school, then you were playing, you know, your high school organized sports. That's what's great about youth is that you know, today it's all organized, but when we grew up, so much of my youth was unorganized, just going and get in your buddies, and it's not like that today and it drives me crazy. Well, and that's how you learn. You learn the things that you don't learn him in a structured practice, every day, organized parents in the stands. It's now you don't learn those, a lot of those life skills at an early age. That helps you become good teammates and become competitive and and understand, you know, what it means to just get a bunch of guys together and play for the fun of it and not have to worry about the parents screaming in the stands. Right, coach is going whack on the benches. Yeah, so, so then you played all three sports growing up. I played everything too, and then as you got older, you know, I know a lot of the kind of hockey they kind of fade away and they just stick to hockey. So when did when was that transition for you of saying I'm not going to play these other ones and and and stick to hockey? That happened after I graduated. Oh Really? Yeah, because actually, again, back then your seasons where your sports seasons? Where your sports seasons? Yeah, I played baseball. By the time I got into ninth, seven, eight, ninth grade went from playing being a running track and wrest land and playing football, baseball hockey to a three sport. You had of the finally real and actually hockey, of all things. Even noo way had a long winners and your scale a lot. I was I thought I was moving on to play collegiate football and that was that's where really I had a couple opportunities to go on and play, you know, cleagian football. As things would work out, the spring season you got to fall football, winner spring and the graduated spring course from high school. Wall of Spring, Basement Baseball and a tear up my ankle sliding in second base. Oh yeah, it's my ability to run was hampered. You know. That kind I held me back when moving on a football and so I just kind of ended up naturally going towards hockey, and Herbie Brooks at the University Minnesota recruited me and among other schools, fortunately, but you know, play for Herby books and the play for the golfers have been the great yeah, kids dream in Minnesota. Yeah, and so wan that direction. So then you play all these sports. Did you kind of know where you were going to go to high school. Oh yeah, we were right, right. Everybody the West Side of St Paul and high school was a city school. was humbled and everybody in the west side went to humbled. But how big was humble? I think my graduation classes west and two hundred kids. Also, when that wasn't huge. Actually we were probably one of the smaller city schools in the same Paul City Conference. Yeah, we play against the big schools, hardy and Johnson, you know who. When you played football, you know they had a special team. They had had an off separate offense, up for defense, up for special teams. Listen at our football team, everybody played both ways. Yeah. Well, well, I played in high school. We had at my junior weight, eighteen my senior year and nineteen on my team. Well, and my foot my football team. Yeah, so wasn't very big. So you never left the field, which I actually I love the you know, because if you're there you might as all play. So you got a humble. You played three sports. You played baseball, basketball or of in hockey. Now what was that really like when you transition between all those sports? For me it was like, and I'm you know, I just had fun and football, then I was going to basketball and baseball. How was that for you? Because I know a lot of kids go through that and and they have to go from playing a sport that they really liked when they might not like but they really enjoy, you know, they wants to active. And now it's even getting worse. Kids are only playing one sport but yeah, and playing around it. They kind of get burned out, burnout injured more often. Right. Yeah, why do you think that is? Well, I think you know you're your multi sport athlete and and the muscle groups that to use and for one sport aren't necessarily same muscle groups or phenomena muscle groups user for another sports. I think I'd help you just develop particularly difficult to be able to work instead of, example, hockey. Send me your doctors and growings all the time. There's so much stress on it. You don't...

...have the other supporting muscles there that you acquire playing football on the ball. So I think that's one of the biggest problems the young athletes today is she's crazy. Doesn't these I see that like an all sports, but I have my son, Gage best friend from high school. We live the St Louis Luke Martin. He went on play, like he left in after the eighth grade year and went to live with a family and it lived in Michigan and he was only play, not that it wasn't took paths, which is yeah, that is grain and you would. How do you feel about like? I still think the kidshould enjoyed high school and do it all. They're going to find a path, no matter what that's meant to be. It's meant to beat my son. My son left Pittsburgh his senior high school because you know that the point where the hockey here in this area wasn't enough to continue to put the progress. Maybe, but after that point, you know, he could have left earlier, but we just felt as a family, you know, you need to not only enjoy the sporting player, because you need other aspects of your life right. You need to have any friends and you've met he would miss the city hawcket dances and the prom stuff like that, because the party is off a role playing on a weekend or something. But you gotta do friends and you got to grow up with your family and I think that so important in helping to raise a roll while round and the child move. But they get to the point where they want to move on and if you don't have the amenities and every unique in your are going to do that, then you move on. But I I see what time boers. There's some parents it just think it's not good enough here. We got to send Detroit. Right, right, you troun but you did like here. That's right, right. They want to send him to a better school and I'm always like a huge sign. It's good if your daughter's good. Different Mind here findal. Yeah, I mean I went to small school board city double a and my remember my coach and up a couple of dags tapes and I went to Joe Bothermentro in next football camp. Now the only way I was recognized, you know. But if you're good, they're going to find you so competitive. That's the other issue. There's so much competitive everybody thinks they got to get the X ray at you. Right, if you're good enough, you have you got some of the natural guid giving abilities and the physical the physical abilities and the mental capabilities, and you need some to vomit. You find out the ways, but you can do that at home. So how did you so you play three sports. What was your greatest high school experience like, and you played multiple sports? Did you win any championships? We were small school, we said every kid. We didn't have enough players too to have a couple of different squads. We had one squad. Everybody play both ways, so it was we are always middle the pack. With and football. Were able to compete against the big schools, but we wouldn't win the positions you play football. I was a running back and a linebacker, and that which one you like better? Altho, back like right, you like running back better, but I was because we ran a single wing. Right. Yeah, allow any school in one thousand nine hundred and seventy two to be running the thing probably in the nation around a single wing. And I was. There was no there's no finets about me. I'd we just did off right tap and I just put my head down, pushed the guy in front of me and just go all through this guy. Yeah, I ran the Delaware wing tea and in high school. That was old school, you know, and and we never ran shotgun. I got the college. I'm like, what is this? You know, I you know, as always, under center fence and the single wings are good off it's kind of it's similar that you're doing a little more. I'll shotgun. Yeah, I love it, but you know I love so we didn't. There was no real, real great highlights. You know, played against some great ball players which are kind of quote me, Allie baking here. Allie baking was yeah, with the but he was with the bagage fly. Actually went up to can I think, and play a little bit too. So you I played against Ali and there's another great example. Ali, huge football player, but also he was a goaltener and hockey. Played against the high school hockey and he and he played first base and baseball. Yeah, so he could use flexible. He was flexile, but he was a he was a animum boys, you know. But you know, Dave winfield played against it. Yeah, high school and hazy. Talk about intimidating. He was a pitcher then to really yeah, so he's a big guys. See that big foot coming off. He's at my guys can step on my head as Footland, I'll send the ball with by your nose. Yeah, like well, he said, I didn't see it. So, yeah, don't worry about bailout. So we're did you get recruit for other sports? I did. I got recruited for football and recruit for hockey. Wasn't that good, and baseball player. But yeah, so I thought again. I thought I was actually thought I was going off to Mexico to play football, University of New...

Mexico. And then, like I said, things worked down and I'm going plan on. Yeah, you would to stay in the cold. You want to go down the warm, down the down and south warm stuff. So all right. So now you you just kind of said her record recruited you and you said I'm going there. Did you look at any other schools? Yeah, I was being recruited by Wisconsin. You know, another go play for the badgers, another hugh. He was drawn. And and then a lot of d three schools, but the D once. It was Minnesota, Wisconsin and I think Colorado, if I recall. Yeah, well, Colorado wouldn't have been up there. And Hockey with they? Well, yeah, they're pretty good now. Yeah, Division One program. They were good, but yeah, they to do two monsters of Minnesota Wisconsin. Yeah, and then you played how many of your we in college with her bee? I spent a year and a half. I wasn't going enough to make the varsity. I was inpatient, you know, an eighteen year old kid. And so I spent a year, year there. Didn't make the virus team, played at a Jav team and so here I am. You know, big aspirations would go. First, logo on my chest and a plan against senior men's League ands out of South Saint Paul. And Yeah, smaller schools over the JV team and and well, at the same time I know a bunch of my buddies were much better me playing, playing the Varsity team and win in that, you know, going on, want a national championships and and yet we're all running the football stadium states waited vest on and it's getting our butt skated up by Herbie. Right. So I just said a patient. So I after the first year, going into the second season, I decided to go and play a year of junior hockey. Want a national championship. Well, worked out great. And then literally that with those called the Saint Paul Vulcans. Oh yeah, yeah, and then right from there I signed a contract of WHA was aboutter third year in new existence, which was the rivalry with the national hockey league, and I got I got drafted by Detroit and I got drafted by the Saint Ball Saints, which were playing right out of St Paul Minnesota, and I signed with the saints. Well, and you know, twenty years old and a professional hockey player. And Yeah, and that was a starting really you didn't really have that college experience. I was at that Tulso for five years. Yeah, I wasn't leaving early. Wasn't good enough. You know, in hindsight, I mean if you know, if you look back and would you say, would you write to stray a little different and maybe that would have been something. I would have stayed in school. Yeah, but on the flip side of that, I've had a great life in the path that they can. Yeah, and you know, I was really one of your quotes that about how hockey's kind of changed. It's like every other sport, I think you know. It's not as physical anymore. It's not, as you know, I wouldn't say violent, but kind of. You know, it's definitely changed. And when you were younger, just was that just part of the game? Yeah, part of the pro game. Yeah, through high school, obviously you weren't. You could play physical and I was one of the more physical players in high school, but you couldn't fight because I honestly thing right, throwing off the game and a game. After got into juniors was a little more accepted. You know, we would played the major junior eight teams out of Canada, which was, you know, very physical teams. Of course, if and of course it's the playing Americans. You know, they want to beat a bunny American. Right, right, right, and we had to establish ourselves. Yeah, fighting was part of the part of the game there. And I grew up in a neighborhood where, you know, street fighting wasn't uncommon and I used to, fortunately getting fortunately, however you look at it, be involved that kind of back stuff, and so kind of prepared me. And so when I got into juniors, you know, the fighting became a cornerstone of my game. Yeah, and and then certainly it helped propel me some m was that were the coal started, not a well started action my first year pro. Well really yeah, yeah, that's a pretty funny story be now. So like so, I know, like when you go in, you probably when you sign with the saints, there's got to be some hazings and initiations going on for young one year old coming in. There's probably some older guys that are part of the there. I mean we did that in the NFL. I'm sure you have some some good, maybe a one good story about what happened to you when you first came into well, you know, the pros. The great part about it and and yet still the surprising part about it is when, when I signed, we also had three other big tough brothers, the Carlso brother right, who were who really the handsome brothers, and slap shutter written right. Right. So you had four guys that we're probably the toughest guys on the Minnesota Fining Saints Team, who were all tight and close together. Oh yes, and Nebo didn't. So nobody...

...was gonna mess with us and we watched each other's back. So it's through my rookie year or none of us got really yeah, back then it could be pretty, pretty tortuous, because I was part of a hazy group. Later, Oh yeah, I'm the better. Well, that's what happened when I went to college, you know, before they kind of got rid of all the hazing. Always Hayes, and then you kind of it's almost like a tradition and it's never really that bad. Some guys take it to the next level. That's why it all got shut off. It was more of a niche initiation or something like that. I don't know if you know at Shadyside Academy John Johnson. Do you know John? Though I don't, he was on a pretty good hockey player. Heaves them from my high school played you. He's a head coach over chadyside academy now and he's told me some stories when he first went to like junior hockey, things like that, some of the hazing stories he had. Yeah, he's just calmed flat. On Rookie shaves. Yeah, I've shaved a few guys had so, yeah, it wasn't when he had that Guy Shit. Yeah, other body parts were rusty blades right with rusty blades are and no shaving cream. That's pretty funny. Probably the worst thing I ever did was I took coach Turner's son and I take them up to a chair and put him in a shower while we went to practice. Yeah, Little Scotty Turner, he's actually a coach down the NFL, but Norva, you know. Nor would bring him to every practice and and he would just annoy guys and myself, Brian Mitchell, Terry Allen, you know we we said Hey, Scotty Kamre, and we just take them up to a chair and we put him under a shower and north goes. Hey, where Scott and Brian Goes? I don't know. We haven't seen him. Coach. It was in the shower of the old time. So, but I took my son's to all the practices and they got like age and peace and Peterson used to put him in a box and tape them off. Yeah, Ritchie Incognito used to torture them. But I'm like hey, you guys want to come this, what happens? That's great. Yeah, so then you so after the saints you went, would you go after that? Well, after it's funny, the saints, The saints full of twice wallows with them, right, yeah, yeah, and you know, so with the saints, went to the minor legs, back up to the saints, back to the Myra leaves, back up the saints. They folded. Went to the Mir League, say, folded the team that was their farm team, right, and moved on. I end up signed with the New England whalers, still in a wha. Played a few games with them and it came out and then ended up going to Detroit Red Wings and signed with the organization and so that fortunate. Playing, you know, some with Detroit and Minniso in north stars a little bit. And so you know, I had a ten year career. That gave me a couple cups of coffee NHL and run a couple season to Waja and and you know, had a gores, some great times in the Mire Leagues for ten years. So through all of that we married yet or yeah, I got I got pretty much married. I got married at twenty two. Met A girl when I the farm team of the saints was in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, right and met my future wife to be my first year there and she was she give her God bus or soul. She went along the ride. If my first year marriage I played for four different teams of four different cities. Wow, you know, and she hung in there for three of them. She said, I'm going back to Nanigal right outside, I know, I know where it is very well. Yeah, my wife's mother lived in Indiana on a farm and so her boyfriend, Dr Lee, was from that area in Nanny Golown, all right, like there. Yeah, and Evansburg all that area. Yeah, and I know really well. That's a shocker. Yeah, so I grew up kind of close to that anyway. So, yeah, I saw that she was from nanny glad. Yeah, so you guys been married for a long time. Got Married in seventy seven. Wow. Wow, so you're coming on what? How long it's a my nabs is terrible for yeah, forty gotta well, Forty Five Ish. W Five years. That's great. Yeah, you're going on twenty five, my wife. Yeah, so it's been really good. So I think that's really interesting because one of my things was I took my family everywhere I played for seventeens and fifteen years and we traveled, you know, seemed like every year we were moving get a new house and doing all those things, and you kind of had that similar so when did you have kids? Had Kids when I was three years later, twenty five, and try to think that was actually at the time with Detroit Red Wings playing for their might like team in Glens Falls, New York, cupany or Lake George and yeah, but it and there. So my action, although my first start was born up in Detroit, up in Deerborn, Michigan. What yea with the red wings. But literally three weeks...

...into after she was born, I'm on a plane. I got traded to Birmingham and a WHA and and you know, my wife and child came along. And so, yeah, we we we had the same thing. We we affect. What I say is not that ten year span every professional league that exists. In those ten years I played. You touched it. Yeah, you were part of it. Yeah, so we start out with just a car and we got the van and we got the van that pulled the wagon and right, it's right. Finally end up getting to do you halls. Yeah, we've done all that. We love. We hardly ever flew anywhere. We drove everywhere. Just just kept US tighter. Oh Yeah, you know, it's just nice being a family, and I always try to tell young guys that is be with your family. Don't don't like, because a lot of guys in the NFL bring their kind of friends still around and all that, and but they have family and then they'll leave and then, you know, the divorce rate in the NFL's like any five percent. You know, a pro athlete, you're see, you just get to spend so little time as it is, even with your your families with you right, God forbid, your families in a different city and you're you know, and you're not there. Right then. Why had family? Right? Exactly why? That's what I always tell them. Why I have family, you know, because when you're done, they're going to be there for you and you better take you know, do everything you can get to know, because all of a sudden you're sitting in a room and there's these people you don't really know and you okay, what am I going to do? And it happens to a lot of guys. So you had kids. So what part of your where were you in your career when you kind of got approached to be in the movie? It was it was literally our first my first year, prone and Johnstone. You know, we had we had the Kyles, some brothers, playing myself there. So you had the three carlso brothers, Dave Killer Hanson, yeah, and then the whole slew of characters and this league that we played in and you know, every game there was a fight or a bench clearing brawl and and you know, a group of characters that were literally characters, you know, which when she talked about all the Games of all that's when the unfortunate thing about I think about the game today, is you just don't have the personality she had back and do not allowed the before like you know. It's almost the social media kind of clamps it all down to write. But yeah, so you know, we were playing and and one of our teammates had a sister who was a screenplay writer and he's at Nancy. He was Nancy. Yes, he doubt Ned dollars playing with us. A bolden graduate, very intelligent kid, was under contract with the St Louis Blues and and he calls her up one night and says, you can't know, you never believe where I'm at. These guys on the team and the s mills's clothes in and this, and then he's done a whole story. And she says, well, who owns the team? And he said, I don't know. Who was the team? And she says well, so she came and visited for a few weeks and saw this and hung out like a Barfly, you know, here and there, everywhere around, and light went off and she started writing a script. And he used to tape, used to sit in the back of the bus and we'd seem holding his hand up and finally we could cost them and pulled out and he's recording all this stuff. Yeah, he's activities in center, off the table. So that script is written probably more based on fact and fiction. It did, you know, just kind of elaborate a little bit here and there. But and so pretty much that summer the script got picked up. Ned got hired by the at the studio to go out and and start finding actors or teaching actress how to skate right to play these roles. And he had guys like Nick Nolte, Peter Strauss, donny most, bunch of a listed actors back then trying for these roles and they couldn't skate. He couldn't say each of them. Yeah, and finally I got so frustrated they they being ned and Nancy finally went to the producers and the directors that want to just go back to Johnstown and let these guys try to beat themselves right. And so they approach us. They would have been in our second season, seventy, seventy seven that they approached us and one of the brothers got called up demonton, so he wasn't available. So they had tw two brothers and myself, because we all live together. Yeah, and they set us down in a roam like this, in front of a table and gave us a couple lines read. We read them and and A. There's nothing laborate about it. And later on they come back says, I'd like to be in a movie. Oh, okay, sure, well not. Yeah, why not? And otherwise we're just going home and playing stop on drinking beer this summer. Right. And so, you know, as soon as even before the season then, and we are in the playoffs. We were doing we were filming stuff. Yeah, so when you were filming, was it with there a lot...

...of takes, or did you yeah, there was a lot of take specially. Well, we started out because we obviously weren't actors and we were very good at acting, right. And and you know, we got to the point where the director, George Roy Hill, actually was another middle sort of boy and didn't know much about hockey, but you know, great director, Butch cashing, Sun Dance, carry yeah, a lot of he finally stopped, thinks and he he says, you know, guys, this kind of something's wrong here. He said. So let's take a different approach. Here's a setup, here's the scene, here's your lines, but what would you guys normally do? And something like this right, and we kind of said, well, we might do this nice. Let's give that a try. And from that playing on, he just let us had loved as much as we wanted to, just had fun with it and live. This kind of came off smoothly. So the NEAT thing about is we became so relaxed and it was such a joke and fun for us. That's how we came across and it just so a lot of the the simple takes were one or two because it was like right on right. But then when you did it, things like you're going up into the stands and you know we're fighting people up there. That's when it took all day for slow. Yeah, that probably we're on you. Yeah, where it's skates, climbing over the walls. I mean we had to be on set, you know, six in the morning, make up, get the foil on or hockey equipment on and this man, and then you just sit there all day long coming to to really ready for you and sometimes, you know, ten twelve hours later, they say, well, that's a wrap. What do you mean? It said the sheet. You're there we're doing it today. We're supposed to be on now. We'll get you. Yeah, that wouldn't make you guys very happy on you know, and you couldn't go outside for fear of getting a Sun tank because they wanted to have the white winter. Oh Yeah, look, Danya, and right. So there's a lot of limitations to where, you know, twenty year old kids started getting little. Was it in your off seasons? Are doing the season was right, we had finished this season and then was in our offseasons. So would have been like because we had lost in the semi finals of the championship. We went to championship year before and we were actually pick the win a championship dissue, and we should have. But I really think we got distracted because we were filming some of it during the right offs, but then once a playoff season, animals full bore, right, full bore. Yeah, April, May, June. So I always wanted like it seems like, you know, it's a sports movie. In sports teams are always really close. Yeah, you know, was it like that on set with all the actors and actresses, like, did you get to know to everybody really well? Or You, if you've ever look at any of the last in the past footage of Paul noma when it gets interviewed on this on a movie or you know, anything that's written the bottom. The one thing he said about this movie is this is the most funny ever had in all the movies he made. It was because of this, right, and that's what it was. It was again. Yeah, yeah, two thousand and twenty one one, nineteen, twenty and twenty one year old who were kind of even though we weren't the main focus of the film. Yeah, you know, we made an imprint now the big time, and it was the same way off camera. We were farting around and that. So it's got to ask you to you guys full pranks. We started pulling for is your favorite one? You did? You ever put one on Paul? Oh, yeah, did you really? What you do to? Yeah, well, when Paul came into town, Paul like his beer. Yeah, you like this beer. So he drink iron city. Did he know? I course, flowing. Oh really, sold yet didn't? Yeah, it's yeah, of course, flown in at time. It's a big corse drinking. Yeah, turned a budweiser. So yeah, so they run it out the art the team's doctor's house up in Westmont right, and then he stayed had a room at the hotel what we all stayed at, but he so they built a sauna in a hotel just for Paul, just for Paul. So many's drinking at night. He wants to get up here seeing them more, get it out out. Physical fit. Yeah, he sweat it all out in the mornings. Yeah. So, so one night where Paul wasn't with us, but we're in the Hotel Barn having a few adult beverages right now, I says to the guys and says, you know, I got an idea because they were serving a popcorn on the bar. Got To know the bartender pretty well and so where do you get the pop from? So we got bags of it in the back. So it's really yeah, so we snuck into the back, took his huge bag to pop and we're out the Paul Sauna and filled it with poporn. Oh yeah, I mean we just don't shove those full of popcorn. So thinking this would be great. You know, when Paul Hits The Sun, he's just get never heard a word about it. He didn't say a word. Nobody said anything. Didn't say a word about it. Right. So if they want to ease, I don't. Did he not take a son and did the cleaning? Krugan into what happened? It didn't work out. So we're up and we're doing a night scene up in latrobe. Yeah, where the buses, the booster club bus pulls up and our bus pulls up and we all go running out. We're swapping with the booster clubs. Right, right, right. So it's late at night, we're tired and again it's take us so...

...much time between shooting the scene. Yeah, so we're, you know, again pope, some beers in this and that, and we say to Paul, and again we like to pull pranks. Right. So we're thinking the only people is going to be there as a camera crew and a director in the right. I was, you know, because it's like three in the more. Yeah, it's late. So say, hey, Paul, got a great idea. Yeah, what we're gonna let's all take all our clothes off. I'll go running out. And when we go running out, everybody shocks. Were bare ass, naked. And Right, the booster club bus are a bunch of people out of town or doctors, wires, Lords, right, right, yea, every yeah, I like, that's a good pause, but that's a great idea. We hear actually on the radio and the bus come rolling down. We stopped where we're supposed to stop. We got it. We strup our clothes off, we go running around or jump around. We're laughing, we're, you know, Jiggling this and that, and we're looking around and I swear the entire Tun of the troup was there, grandma, GRANDPA's grandchildren, aunt's, uncle's, mom's dad, de Meritis, and that we're looking wrong. Good. We turn around a Newman's up in the window laughing. He says paybacks a bitch boys. He got you back. I got it's pretty good. That's pretty good. You can't pull one over Paul. No, yes, that's awesome. It's so what an experience that had to be for you, like and then at mean, if you think about all the transitions you were going through, and you know, after that did that, every team you had to go to, they had to like every guy had to watch that, every person you played against. Well, you know, and again we had we were two thousand and twenty one year old kids. Had No idea, you know, and it hit the theaters and back then, you know what, we should go to the movie said the run, and that was the end of it. You did, unless they have to get a TV years later. But you know, I think we set the record for FBOMBS. Right, right, way, yeah, you need no way. You were getting on. But yeah, you know, it came out. It came out February, seventy seven. So we're in the middle of our hockey season. So of course now, you know, all the hockey teams are seeing it near you're lining up against opposing players and and they're throwing lines at you, you know. Yeah, so after the game, yeah, exactly, told Blake. Yeah, and this and that. But the most fun night that came out of it was again my style of play didn't lend me to be a favor I for the opposing fans and stuff, right. And so we're playing, I'm playing down in Dallas after the movie came out. And came out and and Dallas hated me to begin with and the fans and had a reputation. So we're skating around and, as usual, the fans and warm ups are just giving it to me in this Oh yeah, I just wouldn't acknowledge Im. You know, you go on and finally I turn I'm scaring to look up an entire section had two glasses and the fake nose on and holly did really, it's brother booster club and it was it just you know, when those hilarious moments. So that's awesome too. Off Guard. Yeah, and that, I mean, what a career that's helped you turn into. Yeah, you and the Carlson brothers are well, and you know Steve Carlson, Jeff Carlson, was Jeff in a movie and Right Jack Cans in the movie was myself and Steve Carlson. So Jeff, Jack, Jeff and Jack, we're Steve's brother were big tough warnery buggers and yeah, and you know. And so I took Jack's role. He went demonton. Steve didn't have to fight. Steve wasn't a fight. He was actually the baby of the group and he had these two other brothers and played on his wing and anybody touched Steve had a deal with Jeff and Jack. Yes, he just became a goal scorer. Yeah, so Steve says. Yeah, this movie helped me a lot because teams would sign me and I think I was tough and everybody else thought I was tough, so nobody would bother me, says, but I was a whim. Yeah, but you know Ted Lindsay, who was the gem of Detroit at the time right when the movie came out, you know, and terrible tell was a tough bugger when he played. Yeah, he signed me to a five year contract. And and the slogan of the hockey team then you was the same slogan we had in slapshare, which was aggressive hockey is back in town. Yeah, detroited weddings. So I kind of help my broken yeah, kind of helped. Now, did did like those people that were in the movie with you, the other actors, I mean not the players, but the actors. Did ever come wantch you play anywhere else? Yeah, they were. There's a few guys like strouther Martin. Yeah, the old man would hit come out and see jeff play because he lived on the West coat and Jeff played on the West Coast. So you'd see jeff play. And and you know a couple of the other guys, the guy that played our cab to Johnny Upton. His Dad, his GRANDPA, actually played for the Montreal Canadiens and the wow. Now his name was Allen Nichols. That was in the movie. So here's a big hockey fan. So, yeah, this guys are come out once in a while and you know, you get back to how, you know, how did the movie set evolved? You know, we just again the hockey players. We got to the point where we didn't have to act. The actress are acted to be hockey players. We, as hockey players, were just being hockey players, and so we were constantly pulling pranks and this net and we just ended up...

...pulling everybody together and it was and there's, there's the standard was you would film, you would film that day. They take the film, set them off to New York, get them developed, bring them back the next day, to air mail the next day. And then so Paul Noman, George Roy Hall and D D Allen, who was the editor, which end the writer, was sit up late at night and watch what they called the dailies. Yeah, go through and say, yeah, we like that now we better shoot that one over now, we don't want to use that piece. And so the three of us, you know, Jeff Steves myself heard about this going on. I'm so, why can we sit on the watch it so we kind of snuck in the back door. The next thing we know we end up having a whole crew there and it turned into a big beer party and it became that became a regular and that was unheard of. I heard of afterwards. Really this never would happened, you know, but you guys kind of made this happen and it just kind of brought it all together. That's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. So you finish your your your movie career, your hockey career, and then you started your family. Where did you go after you were done playing hockey? When I got done playing hockey, ended up my last season was in Toledo, Ohio, and it's kind of goes back the story. Yeah, I spent I spent a month one night and toldo that's how that's how. The experience right, you know. And so when my season was ending, I was pretty banged up, I was pretty disappointed on where the career was gone and you know, I got a call from actually a Fella and Minnesota and sat Paul, who was the good friend of mine and very closer to goal for program and and and the guy actually played with Brad Beauda, with a head coach and he called me up. They says, Davies's. They're looking for an assistant coach. You want to you want to come back to Minnesota and coach? I'm thinking clegion hockey, the golfers, you know, an opportune to go back to school, you know, and Tun to go back home. Yeah, absolutely, I says. You know, connect follows here and old maybe's got all the styles you need right now, with up to fifty percent off store wide. Hurry in for the season's biggest trends, like rock star Jeans and Frost Fery Jackets on sale. Jeans started just eighteen bucks for adults, twelve bucks for Kids, plus good, warm and stylish outer where for just eighteen bucks for adults, seventeen bucks for kids. Want to save even more, redeem your super cash now through Sunday. Hurry and now for up to fifty percent off store wide at old maybe and old Maybecom fell at ten, twenty six through eleven. Three selectiles only calling back in the week ago. Let me talk of it over with my wife, and the boss is exactly so. In the meantime, you know, I'm thinking this is awesome, this is great, I says, but you know, I'm going to call a fellow that I met along the way who was a gem for me for a couple of years when I was with Detroit and at the time was the president of the Olympic Authority, managing the Olympic facilities and like placid. Yeah, but also had in his history was one of the most winningness clegion hockey coaches of all time, as well as Lacrosse for our Pi. Oh yeah, and and Cornell. I said, you know, I'm going to give him a call get his advice about Kleigion. Right, horses not, and he says. Dave, he says, you know, great career move. You know, I had a great time, he says, but I can tell you, you know, if you're going to get back into coaching, just like a hockey player, don't plan and staying in one place too. Yeah, you know, yeah, that's every sport. Yeah, exactly, he says. But let me let me give you something else to think about it about. You come work for me, I said, what is she that come on work for me, and I said, doing what he says? Well, he says, you know, we run the lake plast Olympic facilities here. As for the state of New York. We're I'm taking over another Scarria at the states owns it just a little bit south of us, which is just very close to where you played in Glens falls, called Gormoun. I said, his name is Ned Harkness. I says. Ned. I says, I'm never skied one day in my life. Right, and when I was playing in Glens falls. And I says I'll never do it again because I almost killed myself for towers. Right. He said that you don't have to worry ski Bo Ski, and I said, well, I do. Said well, have you do some PR stuff, and you know you're getting a PR and N I says, and I didn't even talk to my wife about I says. I says, if I get a chance to work for you, Ned, absolutely. That's how much happen. Meant to me. Yeah, you know. So I gave up my hockey career and decided to get into a business I knew absolutely nothing about, no idea what I was going to do it. Even had no idea where I was going to let that kind of stuff and just I'm blind faith and the one man picked up the family and made a decision to go. Well, how lover you. there. I was with the ski area for seven, seven years and then started missing hockey. I got a call from him actually, of all people, one days, is listening. Says, I'm not, I'm not calling it because I don't want you to continue to work for me. I want you to stay here as long as you want to stay here. You Got Jaff for me with me and actually managing the place, right, he says.

But I got a call from somebody down in Albany that owns a professional hockey team. There, a minor league team from New York, islanders or looking for a GM. They actually wanted me. Says, I'm not going anyone. I'm the President Olympic Authority here. Right. I said I recommended you and they they bet on it. They want you to come for and well, so it was kind of one of those things where, well, you know what, I got, a young family got an opportunity maybe to move out of the mounts, because we were literally then in the mounds and they really rule area, to get into something of future for my kids, a better school system, you know, sports, etc. Etc. And back into hockey, right, which you know was allowed that. You just don't give up like people all you know. Yeah, you know it's going to be in it. Somehow. I made a decision and went to work for them. So then you became a GM. Yeah, and then you move. That was islanders farm team. Yeah, and it was out other farmer. You're playing out of Tronto, New York at the time, right, and then after that we're just well, that's and just like you know, I should have just like all GM's, and you get hired to be fired, right. So it was with so the honors had to farm team. I was independent franchise owning American Hockey League. Yeah, and you know, basically least to the islanders, the howners put your team in there. So they were there for two years and then they decided to move to Salt Lake City. I went and talked to New Lamrold and New Jersey devils. Right, say want to get out of you to cu come to Albany. will go into a new arena, which was a Nickabocam I just got built over in Albany, big beautiful facility and recruited them to come in and it was had them come in and and right about the new ownership bought the franchise. It was a local Guy Insurance Business and he wanted he wanted to name the team the Albany Dalmatians because he had two Dalmatians and he loved Dalmatians and he wanted them. He wanted the uniforms to be white with black spots, really, yea, and even one as far as in. You know what I think it like to have doggie years on the helmets. I mean this guy, you know, and I'm I'm trying to explain them. You know, you new to the business. You know it doesn't happen this way, you know. So I says, we want to create our own identity for merchandise, sell the sister but we can't be the Dalmy you can't be the Dalmatians. And so so that kind of you know Wayne a little bit. So I created this logo called a river rat, the Albany River Rats, right, and I unveiled it to his surprise. Got A huge response. It's awesome, and he fired and he fired you. He fired me because I did it without his knowledge. He wanted to Dalmatians. The logo went on to be the number one selling logo and minor league hockey the next season. But Hood it was sometimes you can't even you know, they can't see the force of the trees because they're so caught up in what they want. So you know all about him. Was So he wasn't a hockey person, occy guy. Was In insurance business, very support of the community. One of those guys that don't really write the community this and that. But yeah, that would have been a that would have not been good. Call them the Dalmatian I didn't think so. So then now you're Robert Morris and you're at their facility at Nebell island. How long have you been there? Been there for twenty years there. We opened the doors in ninety eight. was there during a construction phase in one thousand nine hundred and ninety seven. It was. It was a project that was developed by subsidiary of the Human Company right in the property down there, and then five years into operations is when Robert Morris took it over. So with the facility. Yeah, it's a nice it's a very nice nspect. Yeah, it's the very nice Rainuli. Yeah, so you know that. That's makes amazing story and one of the things that we try to tell everybody is is we all go through transitions in our life and you can either look at him as a positive or negative and you know there's something else coming and you got to enjoy the time when you're somewhere, just like you know if you're a GM somewhere, you're probably not going to be there forever or coach, but you have to make the best of it and and for me that's why I always took my family and it's probably why you have took your family everywhere. And those are the transitions I think people need to understand because where I grew up in Armstrong, people don't see like if I think the jobs their lives over. You know, there's nothing else I can do, but that's not true. There's a lot you can do. You'd probably have more experience and knowledge that than they think. You just got to be willing to knock on doors. We're back in the...

...hout all with Dave and we call this our no huddle drill. So you know we're going to ask you some questions and answrom however you want, long short, we can. We can deal with it later. But one of the ones I wanted to ask you is who's your favorite current NHL Player? I got to say said because he can do it all. You know, there's not a game that you watch him, him that he takes off. Yeah, I'm going to sit this one out tonight, just going to cruise. He doesn't, and probably because maybe I got more of an educated eye than most of the fans that watch. You can see the little things that he does and when he does and it's just it's tap, it's awesome. Right. He's a throwback player to you know, the Lemus and the Gret skis and you know, someone those the hollows and those guys that took pride and making sure that every game they give an honest effort worth the dollar that fans are watch and run watch and I really believe I've met him a few times in the locker room and and I was with Billy Garren and he came run out of lock from me. Gus, guys, guys, I want to here's a stick for your daughter. My daughter's a big penguins fan. So he's just a genuine person to and on and off the act. I think that's you know, that's a that's a good pic. And then I say you can see he's a player. When I say he's like a throwback, you know, back and in the days, guys, guys played more for the love of game. It couldn't getting paid a lot of money right right now, and you can see that he loves a game and loves to playing the game. Bundy, is a side benefit of being able to play. Yeah, you don't. You don't ever see him compared and he's never gonna be a whole. Now he's kind of he's gonna go play the game. Well, I figured, I'm just saw he may made some seary sacrifices in order to help build some of those stand cup teams so they could sign sorcial guys. Right right, all right. So now. So then, who's your favorite former and a Jo our swarmer, sholly, it's got to be Gordy your yeah, he like your I don't. Well, you know, I when I grew up it was a Minnesota nor stars and goals worthy, some of those guys that that I grew up watching. But we also had the only, the only games to show on TV, because I spend my time Wisconsin's the black cock. So right, horse of the Bobby Hall. Always need Black Hawks, all right, but when I had the opportunity to play a little bit with but mostly against Gordy. How? Yeah, and just standing and watch, you know, fifty some year old, late forty fifty old man do what he did and be the kind of person he was. How do you know that? I say, that's all right right. You actually got to play with them too. Pretty Amazing. I've got to know later on years we actually get a lot of stuff to go the king. Pretty good friend. You wrote it. I wrote a book. My wife bought and I sent one of him, but he did one of the forwards for all night. Great, great, all right. So what's your biggest pet? Pete Pet peeve. Yeah, I know you got have some in hockey. I mean every will hockey. facewashing, face wash, thank, drives me crazy. I mean, you know, again, back when I played, during that era, anybody stuck to glove in your face, either you drop them or you know, you had one of your teammates drop them. Now it's it's facewashed. Yes, everybody can do I get away with it and then it's like, when it's over with it just kind of standing and go away. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that either call the penalty or let somebody punch him in a yeah, you old school guys probably hate that. It's awful. All right. So back to the movie. What was your I mean you know it in and out, but what was your absolute favorite scene that you love about the movie? You don't have to be in not. Probably the favorite scene was in the hotel room playing with the race cars. Yeah, because again, a lot of that movies based on facts. So in real life I lived on the third floor, the Cross has lived on the second floor and the Land Land Lord's lived on the first right, and so when we had a day off, we push all the furniture away up above my floor right, it put out the racetrack and we spend the afternoon playing with the race cars. So that's that's true, true story story, and that you know. We talked about some. I'd let me near, I did a little bit ad let me near right and where Steve broke the car and I threw it. So I'm not playing anymore. Yeah, that's probably one of the better ones. No, that's awesome. So this is this is a phone one we always like to ask and who's the most famous person in your phone? If we had to scroll through it and look at it, who would come up? We'd say that's probably the most famous person in your phone? Well, I still have a Paul's number of my phone, right. Yeah, I can't call him it here. You can't call him anymore outside of that. Jeez, that's a...

...that's a real good question. Probably in the news right now could be Koba. Good and Junr Oh really? Yeah, he's because he got nailed. Yeah, that wasn't a good last picture I saw him wasn't a good picture. He's a good actor, but he's got some poor choice. Yeah, well, I think some of us all, he's always had poor choice. All right, so I'm assuming you seen the movie longest yard. Yes, so they're both iconic sports movies. Right. Yeah, so you're one and two. Right, which one? If you had to go pick one to watch right now? Which one would you watch? Either? Slap showed along at h'ard. I would probably watch slap shot. Yeah, because I still laugh at slap shot. Yeah, yeah, a lot, because I know a lot of the back stories too. But it's for a good two hour. Spent good two hours. Guide movie that's got everything you want in it. It's violence, will guaranty nudity, right, nothing to pull out cracked about it. Yeah, you couldn't really get that in the jail with all guys a long as'ard, right. But they had two iconic actors and yeah, you know, a lot, a lot of the other a lot of the same themes sort of fur but was one of my favorite. Yeah, but I always saw those two movies is very similar and in a way, you know, as iconic sports. So one of the other things that I had asked you. So what is foil meant for? Is it meant for fighting, or is it meant for barbecues? Well, it's too full. That's the multi. That's the thing about when you're when you're playing in a minor leagues, you find ways to do a variety of things with limited number of stuff. Right. So we put the foil out for the face and then saved for afterwards when we have leftover. So just wrap up the foil get on the bus. That's awesome. All right. Last one, since I'll from Pittsburgh, plate in Minnesota, or from Minnesota Pittsburgh. Now, what do you think the Better Sports City is? MINNESOTA, Pittsburgh or Pittsburgh? Yeah, it's say Pittsburgh. I think the Vikings got a kind of take that step and yeah, they just haven't. I mean I was there during a bug grant years with the purple peeple eaters and front of target and Joe Cap and yeah, grow up just idolize and the vikings and just suffering everybody else when they would get just get that far in and not win. Yeah, they've had so much talent, yeah, and so many good teams and just never kind of got overlain. It's not even like a Cincinnati or Cleveland, you know what I mean? It's not. They're just they're good organization or good franchise of just never got over. We thought of a couple years ago it might happen, but they just didn't get there. I mean St Paul and many apps are great sports town. People love the Vikings. They loved the you know, the twins and the wilder. Now you know on the North Stars are back then and you know great, avid, colorful, fancy. Can't get more cough, right, a middle sort of Viking, right, Ragnar yeah, regnar, that's right. Yeah, Lost Brook, but skull, I mean that's that's that's all I toast now, right. But the having living in Pittsbrook over twenty years now, I think the fans here just fanatical, you know? Yeah, they're great. I think so. I've been a pirate fan and I've been struggling with that. Yeah, that's how many years since my dad used to land a glider and we listen to all the games on his transior radio. And, you know, I'm like, come on, it's kind of almost like we had to get back on top of the pirates. I still, you know, their people still have that little wisp of polt and maybe something will change and the back be back on top, but they still follow, they still can. I always say we don't really realize how lucky we are here in Pittsburgh, you know, to have the years of all the great hockey, the football, you know, even the pirates of Guinness, glimpse of of Hope, like you said, and it really is. I've lived in a lot of towns. This is one of the best. Yeah, it's a fun city. Well, Hey, I appreciate you coming on in share stories and and taking the time with us and I'll let you know when it comes on pro we're to break the huddle there and thanks to Dave coming on with us today.

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