Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

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Darren McCarty

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Welcome to Huddle up with Gus featuring 15-year NFL Quarterback Gus Frerotte! Gus welcomes NFL hockey great Darren McCarty to the huddle and talk about how sports helped shape their youth, what professional sports was like from the players perspective and how life has been since playing. A Canadian former professional ice hockey forward, Darrian is best known for his years playing with the Detroit Red Wings of the National Hockey League (NHL). McCarty has been known for taking on the role of the Red Wings enforcer most of his career, a role in which he won the Stanley Cup four times in 1997, 1998, 2002, and 2008, the last of which after resurrecting his career in the Red Wings minor league system. Darrian spent much of his childhood in the small town of Leamington, Ontario, playing for the Southpoint Capitals (OMHA) minor teams.

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...or explain different things. I, my knowledge as the fan has grown not only in pro but college because it teaches me a different way to watch and then I take them to hockey games and watch the excitement on his face where you know, gus hockey is the best game live, right? It's incredibly play the best play the best american, you need the TVs, the commentators hockey when I teach you what to look for because you can see so much more of a panoramic vision then you can just the standard vision, but I don't I don't blame you, but you know what, let's get it straight. You got a hockey player's mentality though, you know what I mean? You're you're that type of guys, you could have been a hockey player, so that's the mentality, but I will be with you is that we should get more together and on a more serious note, it might help with everything that's going on in different leagues that guys are on. So if if it starts where guys are talking then they know they're worth a little bit more in, you know, things that we hear in different leagues, like my lead right now with the Chicago stuff and, you know, it's disappointing as an alumni player to be part of that. So, you know, and I think I get it, like I had a I had to go to our pr team to implement anything um like, hey, can you give me some tickets? I want to go meet these guys. And so when I lived in ST louis, I got to meet uh we were a little more connected, so I got to meet all those guys in ST louis, Even the Cardinals, ST louis did a good job of letting everybody meet each other. And the great thing about hockey is you guys don't get upset when guys coming in your locker room, like the NFL it's like a no, no, right, like nobody's coming in here were security. And man, I used to go in there big walt would let me come in and give me a robe and let me walk around. Oh yeah, that's big wall. He's of ask you to chuck. He is a bastard. But that's the whole thing. There's this respect and we love it. I mean we were fortunate that we played at the time when charlie came over from Chicago. So when we were in Chicago, we have Michael Jordan coming into the locker room chopping it up with you and whatever it was. You know, we'd be in L. A. And there's john cusack coming in and you know, different guys like that. It was always good. I was always buddies with a lot of the, you know, the rock stars. So you know, you have the black label society or the system of down guys, you know, they're big hockey fans so in L. A. And stuff. So we enjoyed it and we love that because we're fans also. Yeah. You know that, but that's that's what I was saying about like hockey. Like if you had a buddy at the game whether he was just your buddy from high school or it was, you know, a band that you know, or whatever. You just tell security, they let him back after the game. They're gonna come see me. It's like okay, no big deal. I would do that. They'd be like, no, they gotta wait outside. Like then you'd have to, you know what I mean? It was just, I hated that part of it. Yeah. That's always, there's always the give and the take, right? We always say you got to embrace the suck. Yeah, you suck, right? Dude. Exactly. That's what life is. If you can embrace the suck and then I also understand this too shall pass. Right? So growing up for you in in british Columbia. Well actually I was born, I was born in Burnaby, but I grew up actually give or take 10 minutes for the border. I grew up 40 minutes from Joe Louis Arena on the Canadian side because really I didn't know that. Like the way you move, I was like six months old. So my mom got remarried when I was five. My step dad craig McCarthy adopted me, took his name and then Leamington is where I grew up. So that's tomato capital of Canada point. Clearly, you know, when they play that don't stop believing. Born and raised in south Detroit while I was raised in south Detroit. That's what candidates. So you've been, uh, you've been around there forever. That's awesome. Like yeah, get lucky your manifest your reality and I don't care. I was always told why I wouldn't be able to do things that's a motivating factor to shove things and people behind and make them make them eat their words. So that's just my motivating factors. So I always wanted, I was always a red wings guys. And steve Eisman came in, I see in the chat, somebody had asked, that's a perfect segue, steve Iseman as uh, you know, the captain to this day, you know, the reason why the Red wings will get back, it's because of the culture and steve Eisman is at the helm, we call it hashtag wiser playing around here, you know, it's not when it's when, but he's one of those guys gus that everything you hear about the man as a person, as a professional leads by example, you used to B E F Hutton commercial, when Ef Hutton talks people listen, well that was steven wright, but and here's the thing and you understand this, that's coming from me who everybody, especially in sports but is owned the...

Beyonce, somebody's beatz right in the dressing room. I'm his, I'm his took me three years to stop crying, sucking my thumb that he picked on because, because he cared about me through everything I've been through, you know what, maybe not the forefront, but always sort of, you know, it's one of those things, he's one of those guys later on that has really molded because what he thinks of you matters right, his respect. So I couldn't be happier than that, but I always wanted to be robbing the bob Probert's batman, right? And I, and so to be able to play on the team to win the cup to score the goal that brought the cup back. I mean, you're looking at it, man. I mean it's if you manifest your own reality now, I wouldn't have wrote it that way, but I'm not driving. This guy is driving. So you really understand that. Yeah, that's awesome. So you answered Armando's question before you even could ask it. So that is awesome that you know, you hear so many things about how there's a leader in every locker room and everybody follows them and I feel like the teams that aren't good, they don't have that, right? They don't have, they don't have somebody to listen to to respect. And and it sounds like steve Eisman was the guy that everybody listened to, right? And there's tears, right? There's tears of leadership in different ways, right? Where guys are gonna, But it's also understanding where you fall. I think the greatest thing scotty bowman and it's the mentality that he's the greatest psychologist because these five moves ahead. But he realized when it was it was us against him, right? He always made it like that. But there's tears that Stevie is the top, he's the king where you got the lidstrom's you got to share their hands and you got the, you know, the grind line in its own way leading, you know, put us out there bad dogs here we go. And because here's the thing, it didn't matter how many minutes you played what role it was, you looked around the room and whether it was steve Iseman Nick lidstrom, Sergei Federal, Igor Larionov looking at you, you felt appreciated because of what you brought to the table. And that's why I got four rings on my finger is because of that love and appreciation. But it's the locker room and and it's sort of is there tears in that? And I think that, you know, you're a guy to ask too in football was wherever that guy that that and Mark messier is a great example right? Where he's that that top of the chain and that's why I look at it now because as the captain and steve Eisman went to general manager in Tampa, put that team together 12 cups. Now he's going to do it here Might be 2, 5, 10 years, but it's gonna happen eventually. And it's because it starts at the top. Yeah. I feel like in football, every great team that I've ever played against or played on, it was always the locker room. There were veterans in there that said no, this is how we do it. That's how we practice, right? But he'd also be the guy to go and have a drink with after and it was just a different way and the poor teams that I've been on, there was none of that because the coach didn't let it, the ownership didn't let it happen, there was, you know guys were always complaining and the poor things happen that you don't want to happen because I feel like every great team starts in that locker room when I would go and and watch these guys playing hockey. You know, they come in, they had, you guys have such a relationship That if it's broken in any way you can see it out on the ice. Oh, absolutely. And you know what, you're all different from different points, but from, you know, especially in our room, we were the United Nations, right? But it proves to me it doesn't matter because I've lived in and where I grew up in leaving 22, it's a melting pot. So, I mean it's all about right, when you get in that locker room and you have different personalities, you have different guys, like different things. But at the end of the day, at the end of the day, are you all working towards the same goal and you put that, your personal goals aside for the team, right? Because that's why you're lifting that cup there, right? That, you know, that's, that's 2000 and eight. So that was the last time we grabbed it. Um, yeah, like the first time, that's that, uh, that was at the old Silverdome for the Rome show. So yeah, doing a lot of uh, yeah, but like that's right. Tell everybody what you do is not who you are, right. I'm, you know, I'm fortunate to win the cops. But I also have the cannabis friend where I'm actually sitting in the uh, college, you enjoy a band play rockstar, do comedy wrestle, do all that stuff. Wait, wait, tell me about your wrestling. Oh yeah. So I'm more...

...too, because I realized like, here's the whole thing right? With the CBD and with the cannabis brand and stuff like this, I created the CBD Wrong, which is Darren mccarty dot com. I ship it everywhere in the world. It's just, it's the hemp derivative. Um, but it's got vanilla, Madagascar, strongest in the world, Pachulia and lavender and why it works so well because your endocannabinoid system. But I figured I'm such a wrestling fan and I always have been and it goes back to being able to meet a lot of guys coming through joe louis arena, you know, I'm a stone called God, getting able to meet him in the rock and buddies with Jericho and stuff. But its understanding and then I got during the Covid got into the death matches and watching these and then I get to know these guys and get to know some of the young guys in the michigan indie scene and it's just their passion. I follow passion and I figured if these guys are passionate, how can I help? Oh, I know, I'll put them back together when they're out of the rig so that they can heal the pain, They can, they can get a good night's sleep, they can do whatever they have an option of an alternative and then they'll go back in the ring and do crazier stuff and entertain me more. Right? So so that's you know where it just creates that option for it. But I was lucky enough to be able to do like the uh the X. I. C. W. Here in michigan and and the R. P. W. And the I. C. W. The different things. But I've been able to, you know, do tag match here, do a special spot here. I got I call it stone cold instead of stone cold. Stone cold. And I do the stoner instead of the stunner, which instead of kick and I had I punch you and I do the head thing. But I've also put a guy through the door taking a light tube over the head. So it's all good. But it's not about the wrestling or being anything like that, it's helping these guys so following people and uh giving people the option where they didn't know they had that. I think they needed. Right. So when did you have, do you have any brothers and sisters? I have a half sister. You have a half sister. But what about good buddy. So like when I grew up, we grew up right by our track it at high school and we used to go up to where they pull vault in that big pad and we were all the wrestlers, like we would go and do suit flexes and body slams and you know, whatever you name it, we tried it absolutely same, same sort of way I did, you just say you just because my sister was seven years younger, I didn't break my parents bed pile driving her through one time. Of course I did, I used to do all the moves on her, that's why I never messed with her since I was 14 because she fought back and hit me so hard below the waist that I never messed with her since we all have those sisters stories. But yeah, we do that the playground and you know, back in the day and then so my big pot for my big is just now is because I realized that, you know, I fought for a living, I played a sport, you know, where you know, you were going at it all the time, if you were in a fight you were in a fight right now, I want to see if guys are beating the crap out of each other, I want to know that it's for entertainment and they're in on it together. Right storyline. So I have a huge storyline guy and if it makes sense, I don't have to like it, but it's gotta make sense. So I mean you were part of a big storyline, in, in Detroit, right, they call, what do they call it the fight night at the joe talked about that whole touch. Yeah, that was that was incredible. I watched something on Youtube about everything that went on. I was like, and you waited for the right time. Well, it was, you know, the whole preface is because it goes to the bigger story at the moment, right? Because, you know, since I've been there in 93 came, we won the President's Trophy, lost the first round, went to the finals, lost seven league record, 62 wins, lost to Colorado. And then the sixth game, my sentiment and best friend got hit from behind. And this is what I tell everybody in life and in sports, bad thing happened, but you can't lose respect for a fellow human being and the fact that closet you didn't apologize right, and said that you wouldn't have heard of chris draper's name and he just got paid and stuff like that. Man that happened in May, I had no time to think about it. Claude didn't play play in colorado didn't get the opportunity. By the time the game, March 26 came around, we hadn't beaten them three times during the season. So at the end of the end of the day, yeah, rivalries in any sport, whether it's your high schools growing up or whatever, but the only way out is through sometimes. So we had to win the game and at the same time. So I had to a lot of things to happen in the game to play out the way it did. And I mean I tell this every time I do my column show and I asked people, I go, is it like, do you not get it? Is it not, is...

...it not me? Because anybody who had wrote written scripture, if I could have wrote the script, I couldn't have wrote it that good, that's why the big fellow wrote it, I just happened to be the star. So maybe I'm a little biased. But if you look at how it started, how does it start? The elder statesman, the pacifist, the professor, Igor, Larrionda, right with the story career, all the stuff in through that army, all 5 £640 of them. Sometimes this is a great testament to what needs to happen in life is where the older people don't need to make a big splash, they just need to tip the scales a little. And when I looked over and he and Igor was the pacifist. Second biggest one next to Gandhi is that I could find when he's punching a guy, I knew that was go time. I knew the view was on the ice. Adam Foote new abuse on the ice, he grabbed me, he's really strong. Shani knew I wanted to get out, he broke me loose and I popped out and this is where I tell everybody the different sweet a sucker punch, which is from behind in 99 69 at the time. Don't do it the other 690.4. They deserved it, but a cold cock and not just a cold cocked but the Kolkata because when you look a guy in the eyes and you pull it back, right? And every man, woman and child in Wind wheel nation in any universe and galaxy pulled. That was in that punch because I hit him so hard on the button clothing. You even said he didn't turtle the hardest he's ever been hit. He was knocked out and I was like, thank God I can't hit you any harder. Right? So then again and again and I smashed his face and goalies are fighting ship of this. But the bottom line is we're down 53 and the third. So the revenge is great. All this. But it wouldn't have had the caveat if we didn't tie it up. And then I got four minutes for roughing at 10 10 minute misconduct for that incident. Which which by the way, fast forward Brendan Shanahan told me I would have been a minimum 10 game suspension back in 2013 when he was doing the disciplinary. So the fact we tied it up, I stayed in the game and I scored the overtime winner. So I not only slayed the dragon. I got the girl and it was at that moment, that moment when I scored in wing wheeled nation everywhere. It was a proverbial, it's gonna be all right. I don't know what it means, but it's gonna be all right. The only other time that's happened gus was two years ago when steve Eisen was introduced as the president general manager Detroit red wings. I was at the press conference. I had the same feeling I did after I scored that goal. It's gonna be all right. I don't know what it means, but it's gonna be all right. But I know what it means. It's just one it's just I don't know what Yeah, that that's amazing story because you know, and you talk about your team, you're sticking up for your team because you're all trying to do the right thing, but you're trying to figure out like at any time you can drop the gloves and go get this guy, but it has to be the right time. I feel like, right, well, just like you're losing. Yeah, well, yeah, right. Exactly. We were behind the whole game, but it's uh now you you have been known as a fighter. So like how does that happen where you just come out in the ice and you drop the gloves. I always wondered that part, like, like, well, there's different reasons for a fight, right? That's where they're taking the enforcer out of the game. It's more or less the old saying is that the anticipation of death is worse than death itself. So when I got and you mentioned ST louis oh that was always nice to see Tony twist and kelly chasing on the end of the batch and Barret Jackman and just guys ready to just, you know, rip your face off, you know like stuff like this, that I am a read low, you know, and stuff like that can't Jansen's guys that just you know, so there's a deterrent to do something stupid because because you know, there's consequence right now, there's the consequence now is your paycheck and your wife yelling at you because you get suspended or something like that, but you don't fear for your life. So the fact that there's still, you know, there was still some of that left now, it's a fine line, so you got to find you know guys that stick up for now, Yeah, Tony Amando, Armando, sorry, you're right, Tony twist and Joey kosher with those guys that you know, you like to fight guys that wouldn't kill you, those guys can put their fist through your face and break your skull, that's no bueno and I don't know how you guys do it on skates either, it's pretty amazing, I guess you learned that skill from the time of your young man, I can't escape but my balance steve eyes when you said I'm a ballerina when it comes to now it's fighting, but to the point, you asked about different reasons to fight, well it could be because somebody's taking, took advantage of your players to, you're going to stick up for them. Could be that it's that time in the game or the momentum right where you want it, if, if you just scored a goal and you don't want nothing and I want to shift the momentum to go out and challenge your tough guy. You know, a lot of other things back in the day was...

...just, that's the only time they got on the ice and they had to get on the scoresheet right? Keep your job. A lot of times guys come out, you're down 61 and it's a guy you respect. And he goes, hey bro, give me a fight and try to stay in the lineup, you respect them, You fight him and he says thank you. And then he then he owes you there's a, there's a code, right? And then you break the code. Then stuff like that. Then the big guy takes care of you because you had it coming from everybody. Like one of the famous referees said, everybody hated that guy. Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy. Um you know, but it seems like that's what you were talking about when you who's the Detroit line that you do your show with and you go to the game. Yeah. So like when we go and sit with you at a hockey game, we would never understand that. We just kind of see what's going on a hockey game. Plus like people to understand what goes on the sidelines and football and and the different codes that we have that you can and can't do um and everything changes and they've tried to take uh make the rules happen so that the game is kosher instead of letting the guys handle it. And hockey was always seen that way. Like the guys would handle the situations where in football now it's all the rules instead of the guys, if you know a lot of the times, that's the whole thing. And you know what's really cool is that I watched hockey, I guess I've advanced it's my football acumen of understanding um formations or as much as you film, right? Because when I explain to joint watch, he's gonna go from there right down in that end on this power play, he's gonna come up here and he's gonna gain speed, he's gonna come back and get the puck. He's like, how do you know that? Well, it's a breakout, right? Because they want to get him to his speed and explain that. And so now he picks up really quick, right? It's almost like I told him to play formation and it's like, oh, they're in uh they're in too deep safety here. I'm like, yeah, you're right, You know, what are they trying to do, who they trying to get the puck to and you can see the play happened and it's a lot easier where it is live, right? That's why hockey's best game in life and it's a lot easier when joy goes through the tape slows it down like you guys are watching film sessions so I can understand, oh, so when that tight end moves to the other side, you know, it's uh it's more times than not, it's gonna run this way and it's kind of this guy's gonna pull. So it's it's sort of seeing it as either the offense or the defense in the game season as a player's perspective. So I think there's a lot of things that I didn't really realize that you can learn watching both, both sports and hey, how come up with Gus listeners manscaped. Well, they sent me, uh they hooked me up with a bunch of tools and formulations for their package three point oh Kit. So, you know, I want to show you guys what's in the perfect package, right? We all think we've got a perfect package, but they sent me the perfect package, three point oh kid, I want to show you what they sent me. So it was crazy. It came in this great box. Uh you know it and you can see what it says, they will thank you because they sent us this awesome trimmer. They sent us uh, you know, stuff that makes you smell better. And then uh, you know, they sent me this great, uh, some boxers here, what you get right, protect them and then uh, you know, they sent me this cool sack, I guess you want to call it to store all your stuff in. So, uh, it's been great. Man scape sent me a bunch of products. Um, you know, and you know, you can see it all on here. Uh, you know, you can go to Manscaped dot com and put in the code. Uh, Gus Frerotte, that's G U S F R E R O T T E. Get 20% off and free shipping when you use that code. But you can get a kit, you can get individual items like, uh, this way cool rumor that has a little led light, um, ceramic. These things come apart, they're waterproof, You can do a lot with them. So, you know, Manscaped is great. You know, it's funny, I remember when I was playing with the Denver broncos and I'm not going to mention any names, but there was a gentleman who was playing on our team and you know, if you ever hears the story, he'll know exactly what I'm talking about. But he brought his own clippers in one time and he used to trim his beard up his goatee and everything and he had him there for about two or three weeks and he goes in around the corner, he walks in and there's a person,...

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...so I wanna know eight, lost nine and retired and it was young in his career and you know, he might have been surprised me a little complaint whatever but what a representative for the sport. So proud of the man the guy he is but he's the ultimate pro he would, I would put him in steve Eisman category. The other guy put in that category two is a jerome again, one that I played with a couple of Calgary so that's pretty cool. Yeah that is really cool, you know, and uh did you play on the Canadian team when you, I know that the meat potatoes guys they they stay at home, we got we got we got to protect the women bro. Yeah, you're protecting the herd right? So you know it oh that's that's great. That's great. Um So when you now you go through your career, you play when you were playing, were you thinking of okay when I get done I'm gonna I want to do this or I'm going to do this but or were you just like okay I'm gonna play hockey, that's all I'm going to think about because that's how I wasn't football, right? I didn't think about what I was gonna do after I was just family and football. It's all I had. Yeah I was in a bad, I was in a bad shape mentally and um with everything in my life and you know really between 2009 when I retired 2015, which is on here, which is my sobriety date. Um I was just living a lot. I was living leaving las Vegas but not trying to kill myself but I got the point that I was that close. So that's why the love of, that's why cannabis saved my life and the love of the caregiver program in the state. And that's you know why it's uh I knew then exactly because I I remember so my detox was done in my garage between 10 and 15 g of RSO which is the plant and its purest medical formats what actually helps helps cure cancer uh different things. Um So my wife's a nurse and after 7.5 days of this. I finally sort of came through from either, you know, purging or or you know, doing both ends, everything come out that I was on my knees that I was in tears and I was so grateful because I didn't have the physical addiction of alcohol. But then I got mad and then then it was, what am I going to do? And so coming up on six years later as I was sitting in the pecan offices with the Dare McCarthy brand that it just keeps growing and you know, the education and stuff like that. Um because I know that I'm not alone. So it took me a while. I always knew that I loved all different things and I'm the type of person that I'm just trying to leave my whale by example. And it's, I know a lot of uh you know focus on a lot of my, my brethren, a lot of former tough guys and stuff, but it's about everybody and just knowing you have the opportunity to have a big, I have a couple say, it's just ones get educated, get medicated and number two, it's not the one, it's the who, so I don't care what we're talking about. I invest in people and you know what, I'm prime example that I tell everybody you're not alone and no matter what, no matter what, just get your butt back up, you can stay down for a minute, you stay down, but you gotta get back up because you know, I was there, I was there where it was either had to make a decision, either liver died. Yeah, no, well I'm gonna live and I'm doing what I need to do and what I want to do. Well I feel like like what happened to you and how you came out of it and thankful for, but we all, when we transition out of that sport that we go to those guys, we have every day, the training staff, the locker room, you know, even if we did have mental issues or addictions like you had, we kind of went in there and felt we had something right, we had somebody to lean on and then all of a sudden that's gone and if you didn't have a family, I know a lot of guys that it was tough for, it's a struggle and I'm thankful that you got, you found your, you know, I guess the theme that was going to help you transition because after you found that you seem like you've got a great entrepreneurial spirit because you do so much. Yeah, no and here the big thing is what it realized in my right hand, nick antonucci, so I have dried thyme with Darren Mccarty right, which is sort of have a lot of things, but whatever it is, but nick who's been a buddy of mine, but he is, we have also operation Valhalla because he's an army vet and we realized about five years ago when we when we were hanging out and we started the grind tied with Darren Mccarty and stuff like this. Um the synergies between the military and athletes and it's the mil spec or the...

...routine, right? So one of our missions here is make it just like I do with the michigan warriors hockey program is is do a lot of things with them, but a lot of things with the veterans in this area and and just because that's exactly you you don't have that military spec or how things are done not only in business but in your life. Right? So, so I mean it's pretty much I think society realizes more so like common sense, right? And it's about the option and I know that you know what, there's people out there dealing with different things and then when you get together, you know, you're not alone, right? And I think that's the biggest thing. So the greatest gift that God ever gave me is when it's not about me, right? So he gave me his brand and all that stuff because it's about everybody else. It ain't about it ain't about me, right? I've gone through that where I fed into the hype and You know, I tell everybody I knew who I was a hockey player, Darren McCarty since I was six years old. I didn't know who the man was was 46. That's that's that's honest truth. Well, I mean it is, it is tough because I played Total how many years you played, but I played 25 years total. Yeah. And that's what I knew. That's all I knew. And even to this point I'm still getting coached by people on different things like business speaking. You know, I'm trying to figure out what the hell is going on. And you seem to also do that because you had a band, you've written a book, you you know, you got your Darren Mccarty cannabis line, right? And you're you're doing all these things and people don't realize that that were so like each other like the military, I've interviewed so many military guys and we have the same discussions, We just want different things, right? That's where I was always told if you wanted my, my old man, God rest his soul. Um you always said if you don't like to do something about their smartass and I always take them. Didn't I Like because I'm a man, I know that you can manifest your reality. I did, right? So I keep continue to do it to do and it's all about who you surround yourself with. I can speak on that because when I look at when I was at the worst or doing things that I shouldn't be doing or doing things that didn't benefit me to the person I am now that person surrounded himself with people similar to them that were selfish and and about the hype now, it's not that right? And and and that's it because guys, here's the thing I Gerry, McCarthy do not care what you do, but if I'm not doing it, you best be doing that way away because it's not about me, right? I'm not here to argue you. I'm here to either fight or answer your question because it's about the person that is where I was 11, 11, 11, 12, 2015. That has just got the courage to come out. Well, if you're coming out and I'm your who, you're following me, no matter what, then I will protect you because everybody's seen the way that I protected the red wing and it's embedded in my heart. But I've taken the plan to put it on my chest and I will die for that thing because of the truth and the options for everybody, because it saved my life. Well, who introduced you to it? Like who said, Hey Darren, You gotta try this. So I knew something Ricky Williams and and knowing Ricky Williams, a football player because I know I played with Ricky, I know him well, so love his story, right. Love his story, would do athletes for care together and stuff. But the fact that he because of the ulcers that he got um from at texas from all the pills that day. He didn't get to smoke because I grew up the same thing, you're an athlete or a jock? But I got injured. First of my three sport, her knee injury. Um and I hated the pills and constipated, couldn't sleep, baby eroded that. Finally my body just said, man, here, you gotta smoke this bro. And I was like, I was and I couldn't sleep and I'm gonna song back to so I was trying not to drink at the time. So handed me this in the minute I hit, I was like, whoa, something's wrong, this is to write. So I always had that dichotomy in my head that there was something, but I wasn't committed down to it. But now with the education about the endocannabinoid system of what everybody has it, why it makes sense. I mean, and and God bless risky because he knew that it was a bigger thing than life to step away and then come back and do it his own way. After alert, he needed to know the why. And sometimes that takes more bravery when you understand the situation to step away from it, because it's about looking in the mirror. That's what it came down to look at. Don't live the...

...person in the mirror if you want to be better. You know, just be honest. You said you sell it all over the world, right? Your brand. Yeah. Yeah, because the CBD is governed by the FDA. So, CBD ships all over the world off the Darren Mccarty dot com website? Yeah, that is awesome. And so what do you feel like? Do you feel like cannabis should be legalized throughout the U. S. See here's the thing as once that the pharmaceuticals and the money people figure it out. And the greatest thing for the cannabis industry is the fact that that um did you know that help cure Chernobyl right? They plan to happen the ground and it took all the radioactive stuff out. So this plant right? It also can replace the plastic industry which Isaiah thomas for a basketball guy is involved with world which is the largest town. I believe that the education and I believe that that yeah in a in a certain way in a perfect world right? But it's never gonna be perfect. So you have to know what you're getting from. But I think everybody should have access to this medication if they if they so desired. That's that's what that's what I believe and more so medically but also recreate recreationally. Now. I came in from the medical right? So but we all need it because here's the whole thing. It's like I tell everybody I'm never hi I'm always fully medicated right? And there's a different way to know what you have but it's all about you learning your system the easiest way to explain it as we all understand DNA. Right? D. N. A. We all know that it's all different because you know they put people away from years ago and stuff, we watched enough crime shows were endocannabinoid system that every human being, in fact everything with the spine in it in this world has an endocannabinoid system that this plant feeds, right? But your responsibility what you feed Your system and ours are all different. I'm alcoholic insomniac. You know, if you look my my running about 7030 on the Indica side, which is the more bring you down side. I'm naturally wound up a little bit more. It's all education and the CBD for the like right now the weather's changed here in michigan with my arthritis acts up and I rubbed out, you know, on my skin, the CBN which is the sleep set it up to allow for a for sleep, it's just all education and it's all about it's all about understanding and you know when you understand that the THC isn't the devil, it's the doorman. What do you mean by that? The easiest way to explain it is we went to a club gus in Detroit, we walk up to the front, they see it's you and I were on the list bam we got THC on our side. But if we don't where we have just the hamp well we're in another city that they don't know us while we're waiting in line. We may wait in line 20 minutes, it just takes a little longer to react. So when people get and that's why government, everybody who makes the rules because when you follow it always ends up at the dollar. So they had to make THC the devil instead of the doorman to allow everybody out. He keeps the peace and allows it allows it to go. But it's all in your education and that's why I encourage, hey, keep asking, what do you mean by that? What do you mean by that? That's what I keep doing. And I just find the answers from people a lot smarter than me. That's been a lot more time around the place. So if our fans go to Darren Mccarty dot com, what will they find out? You have the education on there? Do they have you have the product on dot com Also you'll be directed to pin conta dot com. Where if you go to the CBD, it'll, it'll tell you all about all the different products. Um, if you're in michigan, I'm in 173 of the 217 medical recreational dispensaries, you know, it's all about the conversation. My twitter, you know, I'm on all the blue check marks and stuff, but I tell everybody Darren Mccarty number four on twitter, I brought that thing, the rest of them. I don't run, right? But that one I run because that's where I do most of my rest of talk interact and stuff like that. And I love that platform that I'm able to go. So I'm always free throw me a DM asked me a question. Yeah, again, that's where it's important because here's the thing that Darren Mccarty brand, Darren Mccarty competes with himself right to what I need out there. The bottom line, it is, here it is, here's the win win. And you always know people say D Mac, what's the payoff? I know there's always a payoff for you. Here's my payoff, right? I know as an addict and an alcoholic right, that if I create the stuff that works for me and I have...

...it all around this state, I have no excuse. So when I'm leading the charge that I should ever be in a position right to ever go back to the way that things used to be. So that's what it is. So I have no excuse to myself. It's accountability and I got to lead the way by being accountable to myself. Right? So, um, so you're accountable, but when you wrote your book, yeah, you were back then. Yeah, I wrote that book in 2012, 13, right? So I drink until 11, 11, 2015. And I even wrote a, um, I don't know what they call it, but like their soft tops, the hard copy came out, my last fight, you started a hockey rockstar. The soft copy came out where I, and it was in, that was in the summer of 14 or 15 when I wrote, I was still drinking because I sat in the back of the book that I you know, try to keep it to minimalize or control and stuff like this, Wow, that's why, you know, I start doing the podcast and do all the other stuff is because it takes too long to write a book cast. Yeah, definitely write a different book today than back then. Absolutely do that. It is so much where I read and and and like, I'll segue in the band because one of the greatest things that the band helped me with early that I didn't know was like, I like, write, I write the songs, right? So I write the music and it's all journaling and it's all that I learned in rehab and stuff. And and so, but when we rode out of our heads in 2004, I was in such an angry place, but now I can hear music and I dedicate, you know, my song be me uh to all the people when I go and do my comedy shows, because it's bottom line is uh thank you for letting me be me. You know, loving me and enough and it's it's okay, You are good enough, You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I want to be with two. No apologies without compromising my life. Well, everybody has issues, right, everybody has problems when you leave your sport that you love, you were four time Stanley cup champion. Then all of a sudden you're like, I get it. Like who am I? Like? You have to reinvent yourself. And even you were an addict and you did that. Like you said, okay, this wasn't somehow you got to this point, you said, this isn't who I am. It was you were able to make that everybody in the, like I wrote in the book, it was you can't do it for anybody else. That was the case. I would have done it for one of my kids right back in the day, right? But you what you need is the love of somebody, which to me it's my wife, Sheryl the love of a person to believe that you deserve to love yourself. So until I can't love it, it's got to go into out and And that was that was the moment where there was one person that on this earth to this day that I've had my back since I met her in 2010 and that's what that's her. But it was and and we have a saying because I'm not the best husband. I mean I'm whatever, like, like I do my best, but when we talk, it's like, are you talking to you as your husband as your husband or your best friend and when she says my best friend, I don't care, I have to stop drop listen and roll because at the end of the day, this is At the end, all be all to believing in me. Yeah, don't forget that loyalty is a huge thing and that's what it is. So you have to do it for yourself. But I needed that inspiration, you know, that somebody uh well, you found your person, I deserve to love myself. Yeah, you found your person, I found my person 26 years ago. We've been married 26 years and and uh you know, we do this all together and her support has been amazing for me, because that support isn't gonna there's nobody else out there gonna gonna shoot to you straight like they will write because their attention, I mean, here's the thing when you understand that they have your best interests at heart, it's for the bigger picture of the family or or the unit or the team, right? Because we were team guys, guess we buy, we need a team around us or whatever else just to believe to believe in or whatever. I mean, that's that's what it is. So it's not what it's who and go out and find your who's right, if you don't have it. Right. Exactly. So where did you get your comedic inspiration from? Right, who's the comedian that you said, Oh, I love this guy, you can listen to them all the time. I have several, but for you, you actually do stand up. So where does that inspiration? Yeah, well I tell everybody I'm an entertainer, right? I have a band, I have, you know, I do, but that's I called the D max show, you know, like to tell stories and and different things like that. I'm a huge bill berg. I you know, you know um you know, I love the chappelle's, I love this story, you know the story, I love I love comics, fashion teamster...

...that I love the female comics, ELISA uh slashing your she's smoking hot and foul mouth. That's cool combination. But I like ones that keep the story, you know, Deon cole different things. There's so many, I like I live, you know, and next time I listened to a lot of the comedy specials and stuff on there. But uh my more like I don't consider my comedy even though I do tell tell some some jokes, I tell more like the stories that you know that we can, I like to everybody to understand that I know where I was, where were you and there's sort of this connection. It's sort of a loaded, you have a loaded audience and stuff. I bring I bring some of the funniest comics. Like I said, I'm all about showcasing the talent, you know, so I called their slapstick comedy. Comedy Two represents the MAC show because here's your comic. So there's a comedy and there's me because I'm gonna put on a show. So I was I was always the uh either the brunt of the joke or I had to have a lot of thick skin. So you just learned? You learned. Yeah. Is the greatest job artists of all time. So you get cut by that samurai start one too many times just now. I tell them I have one feeling my wife owns it. Yeah. So you have the same birthday as my son april 1st. And we've always, I yeah, so Terry asked if what's the best prank you've ever pulled on anyone and you know, april fool's babies usually usually get them on him. But you can also do it on other people. Were you the prankster in the locker room? My grandfather would get us all the time. The best when he got us. We're like six or seven was there's a cow in the yard or whatever. Like he was just like stupid. But the way he sold it, he, my grandfather was a prankster. Um, but here's the thing, what you're, you say your son's april 1st. Yes. My youngest game Gabe so Gabe let let him know this being the Aries his power colors red. But he's the most powerful air he's being on on the first. So he's going to be a leader, you know, and it's one of its probably signs of that to a little bit hard headed. But he's got to have those, we have those, but a good sense of lord headed, but a good sense of humor. So my dear. But that's what I remember the most and um, everybody's always wait. You know what I always used to get me is I always got print, they drapes drapes was the king of birthday cakes. So we always get birthday cake or I get uh and they always get me in different ways on my birthday, right in the dressing room, on the ice. That got me one time, real good, got the ice cream cake. One time I was you know the dress from birthdays go, oh yeah, birthdays and dress. I mean when when they're in the locker room, I mean that's our family, right, we're gonna pick on everyone. I always picked on everyone because I felt like if I could make you laugh, if we could all laugh together even though it was, I always would never do to somebody who got angry at it, but somebody who could handle it and we would laugh and it really locker room would get a laugh. But when I would hang out some of the hockey guys and they're so funny, your locker rooms are so different from any other ones I've ever been in, in my favorite that I used to hang out with Billy Garen Billy Garrett, Billy G. Billy G uh That's a church. He's a trouper bro. America never got to find out. What was he like on the ice? Oh, he's talker Like see because it's like the common sense, so you'd have uh you can have that, you know, the game's going good, it's sort of like, you know, whole home, but then, you know, it heat up or whatever, something would go on and get I stick, you know, shut up your wine or you know whatever like, you know, it would be like that's going to be like 99.9% of the time, you could stand there and have a fistfight with somebody and at the end of the game, whoever didn't come out on the right side would would get caught in the beers all night and you talk about it because most of us have fought junior and and it it means to an end, so only the clawed mutant thing was personal and sometimes it's personal. But even now once it's done, it's done. We like to get things out of the way. Yeah, yeah, so Armando man Armando has been on top of it. He said what's the funniest thing an opposing player or rival ever said to you on the ice that you didn't get mad, you just laughed. That's right. Well you always have to have a comeback, right? So, you know, the old classic is uh your has been Yeah, well, but if you have the number was you know, or or but the best is you know, guys will chirp you about your...

...minutes or stand on the bench and then I just have to lean down and polish my rings off, you know what I'm saying like you can't get, you know, because when you're younger the chirp and ended up in fighting right? There wasn't you weren't mouthing off the funniest that I was OK, so sean Avery right, played with us in uh traded from us, he want to come with us and go to that, he got traded to L. A. And Sean Avery's and mouthpiece played in new york and whatever always about them. Well, we played in L. A. After he got traded and before the game, he was in the back of the training room with Shani and Stevie me and drapes just talking well the game goes on right and I always sat next to the other team's best, right? Because that's where all the action was and you know, you sort of could keep things calm down. Like the conversations with somebody wouldn't have, you know, be happy, but she never goes off the ice and he starts shipping channel as it comes up and Shani stops and he's like, Shannon, you suck and you know, like you got nothing and and that's not that's not Shannon takes it takes it said a couple of personal things to him that were offside and then Shani looks at him and he said shot shot, were you just not in our dressing room telling us how much you hated your teammates and your coach and and Shani went in about what? And he said didn't you say your coach bob on this guy bother the shut the f up. I was, here's what you need to go back. There was one of those things Gus and you understand because we all these guys right, It's usually she has the wide receiver, the quarterbacks guys that aren't in the pits doing it all the time. But there john, john, john, john john and then somebody checks her butt and their team knows that this is a map for. He probably said that, right? That's why I was like this. So the rest of the game, I don't even know if Sean got to play. But yeah, that's a great comeback because you're getting him not saying stuff to him, but just like his teammates were listening and then all of a sudden it's like, oh shit, yeah, yeah. Remand o if you want to claim a spot, come on, I'll give you a picture with Darren. It's a cool thing we have on this platform there and people can take a selfie with you, Yeah, they can claim a spot, turn the camera on Armando is at work so you can't do it. But it's really cool. Um, if you ever want to do this there and I know like you're an entrepreneur guy, look at this, you can take a selfie, you just hit it, it comes up and we're taking a selfie together brother. Like it's so cool, but hey man, I appreciate you joining me today. I know the last time we had a little issue, but, but I just want to thank you man, you're an incredible guy. You're doing a lot of good things. You turn a lot of people's health around. You're doing what you can for everyone and you know, it seems like you're such a giver now, which is amazing. And so tell us, tell all of our fans and everyone out there how they can find you all the things you're part of because you know, it might take us an hour to get through everything. All right, Darren Mccarty dot com. I go there every morning to see what I'm going to be doing that day. So you should to get everything out what we're going. Is that where Nick puts it off? What's that? Is that where Nick puts it all right on Darren Mccarty said, what's it all? It's not doing his job if that. So there's that, there's the official Dare McCarthy on facebook, real Deer McCarthy on instagram, Dear McCarthy for which I personally am on twitter. I know, I gotta talk to, I don't know, but you can catch me daily or go on youtube, check all the different things. I do a weekly tucking around segment. I did a most cider or young rookie that just one for the Red Wings have just won Rookie of the month and Lucas Raymond or young Star, you can check out woodward sports that were too big. The energy. I'm on their 11-1 uh Daily, have a friday night WJr 7 60 A. M. Uh 78 o'clock show with my buddy, Sean Bell legion. Where I get to talk about everything. That's a great thing. It's uh I grew up just so you know, W J. All right, that's the most Republican station and everything else. And I've been doing it for almost two years now, where they Darren mccarty enforcers showing get to talk about everything. They allowed me to talk about cannabis and everything that's going on. It's a great way to connect another audience. You go in studio for that, are you doing from? What do I do? And then it depends because they're redoing the studio, but I also have it through a computer set up thing. Yeah. So people could go there mccarty, they could find your book, they could find your line of everything is on their way. I I was on there and I couldn't. Where do I go to...

...find? And your album? Is it on there? All of the No, I do not believe that Spotify, The Spotify. No, it's on um you're gonna have to come out. I know that big boogie. Who's my merch guy? Big book. He's got some Cds, but I don't know the band's been on hiatus, but you're the band's coming back out. We were planning on coming out and then Covid hit. So I tell everybody what, I'm the youngest guy in the band. You gotta make sure the boys are healthy. So uh and and obviously on your product right now getting healthy. That's it, that's all it is. That's you know like I said, don't tell me what, tell me who and um Canada dot com, that's uh that's the enterprise. There's actually a great, if you're interested in the facility, go to Youtube, go to kanna cribs and they did a whole thing on our facility. Um They're out of California and their opening line, Opening line with this isn't the best um facility in the state. Maybe even the country. That's what I'm talking about, I got the willy Wonka of weed and cannabis and education and everything fully integrated. I got a great team, I encourage people um you know, bill drunk, you're basically a grower and a shower so which is great. Strong baby. There you go. Alright buddy. Hey, thanks Darren man. It was awesome getting to know you, I appreciate you for joining us on huddle up with Gus and thank you so much and good luck with everything you're doing and I can't wait to hear you in concert. Yeah, you bet. And then I will be when I get right, like I said when I get the bus thick break with the studios on the bus, which will be coming in the new Year, it's in the works. Um or when I get the right time with Darren Mccarty up, I'd love to have you on as Augusta. I love that. I love that. I'll make it the trip to Detroit. Say oh my old friends and we'll do right here you go, we'll hit some of those hot because you know, I know you're missing some food down here. There's a lot of places down the guys get to the D yeah, a lot of good eats. A lot of good eats. I love I love it. Uh About two weeks ago we have one, we have a place called the Latins here, which I love. Okay. Yeah, they have good sh warmer here but I'm also not opposed to a nice steak out of Detroit. They have good ones are a lot of good options. Yeah. Hey, hey Darren, thank you so much for drinking, man. Take care and I'll talk to you soon. Yeah. Hey everyone, Thanks for joining us. Another episode of head off with. Just want to thank my uh my team out there terry. Thank you. I want to thank all of our friends and sponsors, 16 31 digital news super dot events and sounder FM. We'll see you next week when we'll let you know who our next guest is but I think we're gonna have andre risen coming up pretty soon. We got a lot of people going to enjoin us and you know, just keep coming back, check out the new platform on super and let's make it bigger and better together. All right, everyone to have a great weekend. We'll talk to you next show. Don't forget to go to huddle up with Gus dot com. Subscribe and like our show and you can listen to our podcast on Sounder FM or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast, take care and we'll talk to you soon. And that's a wrap sportsman. Thanks for joining in the fun at the 16 31 digital studios for another actually, Huddle Up with Gus featuring 15 year NFL quarterback. Gus parent huddle Up with Gus is proudly produced by 16 31 digital media and is available on apple music.

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