Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

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Coach Mike Jarvis

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Former Florida Atlantic Basketball Coach, Mike Jarvis joins our huddle. We talk with Mike about; coaching a high school Patrick Ewing, the racism he experienced in the 70s, and his new books. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I am former NFL quarterback gusts for as. I played quarterback fifteen years in the NFL. This is my show called huddle up with gusts. Each week I team up with my longtime friend Dave Hagar and we talked with guests about how sports shaped their lives. Pro Athletes, business executives, community leaders, everyone has a story to tell about sports. We invite you to huddle up with gusts this week in the huddle. The winner of over four hundred Games is an NCAA basketball head coach. He's written three books, is a Motivational Speaker, a successful entrepreneur in an espn commentator the high school coach of one of the greatest players in college and NBA history. His story is inspiring. He battled social and economic adversity to rise to the top of his profession. He's welcome into the huddle, Mike Jarvis. Joining us today on the huddle is coach Mike Jarvis. Coach is coached a lot of wonderful athletes in basketball that not only college players but have gone on to the NBA and been hall of famers and some the greatest ever and their positions. I've always been a big fan and, as you know, my niches like mid s college hoops and he and he and coach Jarvis was in the middle of active faking heavy. So yeah, yeah, so, coach, thanks for joining us on huddle up today and we're going to get you right in the huddle with us and and really we want to ask you what started your love of sports, like, how old were you? Was it your parents? You know, that influence, that first influence. What was that for you? Well, first of all, I always give praise and glory to, you know, to God for giving me an incredible family, a mother who was just the greatest, who allowed her a little Chubby Sun. When I was growing up, my nickname was Chris go. I was the little fat get in the neighborhood and they didn't want to call me fat, so so they gave me the name Chris Go. And one day, Chris Go, in fact on his eleventh birthday, his brother Richard had given him a basketball and he was on his way to the basketball courts, but none to get there he had to cross the field. He could. So he was at Watfield and Cambridge, Massachusetts, on his way to the basketball courts and all of a sudden, the one of the local heroes, stretch head, lead little league coach with was calling Chris Go, Chris Go, come on over here. So I ran over as fast as my little fat legs could take me and he said would you like to be on my team? And I said I would love to, and I looked around and I saw they had eight players and guess what, they didn't have a catcher. And you know, back in the old days the little fat kid was always the catcher. So I became the catcher. And what I really became that day was I started my my journey in sports, my love for sports and wanting to basically be a leader and and so I was the captain of the team. I was the leader of the team and just fell in love with with sports. And at that same time, that same birthday. It's amazing how guard worked. My brother Richard, who had brought me the basketball, didn't realize he was going to be introducing me to stretch and baseball. He took me to my first Celtics game and and you know, Bill Russell was playing in his at that his first season, and I fell in love with, you know, the Celtics, with red our back with the players and without even knowing it, my coaching career really began on that day, my birthday, and you know. So that's how I began. And then that led to, you know, playing other sports, football, basketball, baseball and grammar school. And then when I got to high school, I broke my ankle as a freshman playing football and I said no more football. I'm sorry, I love the game, but I then devoted my time to basketball and baseball and eventually, you know, I stayed with basketball and that's how how it began for me. And you know, it's really amazing, when you think about beginnings, how each and every one of us have some incredibly, you know, just unique beginnings. You mentioned your coach in in Little League. Yeah, was that really the first coach that you had that really kind of influenced the direction you're going? Well, my first coach was my mom, Dorothy. My second coach was my big brother Richard my sister Trudi. However, my first sports coach was a fellow by name of ringe Jefferson, who taught that's how to play games and basketball at the Cambridge community center. So around the same time that I was learning how to play basketball, that's when I met stretch, so, Stretch Headley and Rinch Jefferson at the community center with my first two coaches. And the thing about both of them is they would just they these...

...guys were I mean they just loved what they did. They loved kids. They were they were very positive influences. If you messed, if you use bad language, they throw you out. I mean they were real, real good teachers of the fundamental teachers, and I think I really started to appreciate, or later on I realize, how fortunate I was to have to my first two coaches were into fundamentals. We're into doing the little things on and off the court. Yeah, I'm sure that that helped you with your coaching career, because fundamentals are a big part of any game, even when you get to the highest level. If you don't have yes fundamentals, it's not going to work. Yeah, so your coach is coach Headley, and and and what's the other coaches named? Stretch, rich, Jeffersons, Jo and riff. They gave you a lot of a good understanding of how to start and love the game. It's all about fundamentals and hard work. So then, yeah, what high school did you go to after you were in your your youth. Okay, I went to I went to there were two high schools in Cambridge, to public high schools. One was ringe technical where, which was an all boys school, and the other was high in Latin, where my future wife went to school. But I went to RNE technical. I went to RNE technical because, you know, that's where the real men went and my brother had gone there and he always talked about ringe. So I went to ringe technical and it just so happened that the name of the high school was the first name of ringe Jefferson, my basketball coach, and put in. No, there was no logical connection. So I went to ringe technical high school. In High School I had the opportunity to, you know, continue to play. I told you I played football until I broke my ankle as a freshman. Then I played basketball and baseball. I was a captain of the baseball team and I was very fortunate. I had a really, really great guy for a coach and tell Hayne and all of my neighborhood buddies. In fact, my best friend Larry Stead, was the best player in the state and we played in we won the the championship in my senior year at ringe tech, they had what they called the tech tournament back then. Guess they all the teams in Easton Massachusetts would come into the Boston Garden and they would play and they would compete for the championship, where we won the championships and the reward for that was, besides the fact that you played in front of thirteen thousand nine, which was the sellout number at the garden, you got to ride the fire engines through the city of Cambridge after you won the championship. So at midnight after we won this, the Tech Tournament Championship, we rode the fire engine through the city at Cambridge, went back down to my old neighborhood, pass my house, and I'll tell you why. I still get goosebumps thinking about that night. And and then, you know, and then, as the good Lord would have it, I was seen by a junior college coach during the tournament and I got a scholarship to Chamberlaine junior college, which I needed to go to to bring up my sat schools so that I could eventually go to northeastern university, where I met the guy that really taught me how to coach basketball. Dick Dukeshire, tell us what it was like as a high school player to walking in the Boston Garden. I mean you're you're right in the middle of the dynasty, basically the Celtics. Oh yeah, well, yeah, well, I tell you what. Like I said, you know, six years earlier my brother had taken me to my first Celtics game and during that time that Bill Russell from fifty six. What you know, through of s they won nine, ten world championship. So I got a chance to see every one of them. And in those days you could go up to the box office during the playoffs and buy a ticket. And you can buy a ticket and they have good seats for a dollar fifty, which is what my brother used to save up to buy our ticket and to be able to be in the Boston Garden to and play on that same old court that the seltics played on and that my you know, my hero, Red Araback, coach. That, I mean, I can't words, can't even describe it. That in itself, even if we had lost, you know, didn't win the championship, it still would have been one of the greatest memories of my life. Do you remember something that Red Arbox said, like one of his famous quotes, and three. He had a bunch of them. But what was your fist saying? What is your memory of right are bar while you looked up to him so much? Well, first of all, I looked up to him early on because I just saw how his team's played as a team, how five guys became one, how he could build a team that was so unselfish, with...

...so many great players, starting with Bill Russell and Bob Coozy and Sam Jones and Casey Jones and sat sanders and John have let Cha. I mean he just he had a way of just putting teams together that that I am always in my in fact, I tried to put my teams together with the same mindset that he had. Years later, and we'll get to Gw I'm sure, when I really got to know read and when we used to sit together at the end of every year and talk about coaching, not Ex's Os, but coaching and people. I remember one thing, and I've used this in a couple of but the books I wrote, as it relates to character, and I remember read saying to me he says Mike, he says He. First of all, I remember him saying at the Hall of fame the first time I ever met him, I met him in the men's room at the hall of fame in Springfield, okay, and he said to me, he said, you know, I may not always be right, he says, but I never been wrong. And he says that kid who got that you and kid, he's going to be one of the greatest basketball players that ever lived. And he was right. Later on, the thing that I remember him saying to me that I'll take to the grave with me and he said, coach, when you recruit, recruit character, not characters. And I never forgot that. Recruit character, not characters. And when you look back at his team and you teams and you look at the people he had, he had men of great character. Yes, they had great ability, but they were men of great character. That's so important, having great character, being humble and being able to work hard and work within a team, and that's what most great teams are all about. Sorry, you're in high school, coach, and you played basketball. What was your position? And Basketball? Well, the little fat kid. You lost some weight, so he wasn't a little fat Kys, just maybe pleasingly plump. I couldn't run too fast, I couldn't jump too high, but I could write, I could lead and I I was a point guard. I had to be a point guard and and I love that because, you know, you basically have the coach on the teams, just like the catcher on the baseball field. I was always in a position where I was telling other people what to do and I was always much better at telling people what to do and giving instruction. been taking it well. I think it's important that you tell people what to do. But the other side of it, are they listening? You know, yes, there's a lot of people try to tell other people what to do but they don't want to listen to him. So obviously, if they were listening to you, they had a lot of respect for you. Yes, and they did. And because, you know what, because I was fortunate to have had some great teachers and coaches. I was fortunate, very rap from the beginning, to have some great players so I could put together a winning resume. And you know how young people are, I mean they want to know, okay, what have you done? You know, have you ever won a championship? Who Have you ever vote? And when you got those kinds of things in your resume and your background, then they pay a lot more attention to you. So you can get from a point where you younger age. When I was young and teaching vizette at the High School, I'd have to show them. As you get as people start to see that you know what you're talking about and you get a little older and you get a little smout at you don't have to show them. You can teach them and you can use other people to demonstrate. So I went from being the guy that would take a kid on the court and actually physically show them to a guy that didn't have to do that. I could use somebody else to demonstrate and I could do the teaching. So what junior college did you end up going to coach? I went to Chamberlaine junior college. It was there was a guy there. His name everybody had nicknames. His name was hockey powers. He was a I don't know if he played hockey, but he was a basketball coach there and he gave me a scholarship to go there and it was in Boston. It was a somewhat of a preppy junior college. Most of the kids that went there they went there because they could afford it. And then myself and my teammate, Larry said, we went there because he was in the process of starting a basketball program at the junior college. So we played all the talk junior college teams in New England and as well as college teams, we played Boston College Freshman, not Easton. Be You, and we had a great schedule, a really, really fine coach and we had a lot of success. And you played baseball there too, and you know I did. I played baseball. In fact, I tell you what. He's a he's as an interesting story. A one thousand nine hundred and sixty two. Okay, I'm cat I'm on the the point guard, leading team to the state, to the Tech Trinity Championship in the garden.

At the basketball season ends, I go to baseball, where I'M A catcher. Now I'm the captain of my baseball team. So we go from basically being undefeated to going to not winning a game. My baseball team didn't win a game the same season. You talk about highs and you talk about lows. I made but I loved it anyhow and because I was playing, you know, and having fun with my friends and New England's a great place to grow up and play play sports. Baseball's top because you know, the spring is so short. By the time the weather gets good, the baseball seasons over. Yeah, like for us, when we had baseball in high school, we were in a gym for the bake till the first game. We're tracking off when mounds and hitting in the batting cage. You never were outside because it was just all mudd well, no, I mean have aut oh yeah, well, we used to play baseball outside in the spring. We would. We would take the balls up with different colors so when the balls went out into the snow we could find them. It was crazy. Now, you from from junior college. You ended up going to northeastern. Did you want to stay in the Boston area? was that the idea, or did you have offers to go other places? I didn't have office. They were very, very few offers for African Americans, for black kids, for poor kids, to go to college berry. There was so few opportunities. I mean it was when I played at Northeast and there couldn't have been a handful of black players playing in New England at the time. There weren't as many scholarships and fact when I went to Northeast University, I started out with no scholarship. I worked my way all the way up to a half a scholarship and that was a lot, and I mean at that time, and it really helped. But Not Easton was a cooper school where you had your work six months, you went to school six months, and so, as they would afford it, I lived at home, took the train into school every day and but I eventually worked my way up to a half a scholarship. And and and let me tell you this about about Notrtheaston. When I was a sophomore, I quit the basketball team. I was very disappointed with the amount of playing time I was getting. You know, people always talk about you know you're not playing okay, so I quit. What it was? It could have been the worst mistake I ever made in my life. But my brother, Richard, convinced me to go back to coach Dukeshire, ask him for forgiveness, ask for a second chance. Thank God I did. You get gay a second chance to come back on the team. I still didn't play that much, but that's when I decided. I definitely knew what I wanted to do and I knew that I wanted to be a coach. I want to go back to my high school and coach there. So I every day I had this big thick blue notebook, three bind and I would take notes of practice. I would take notes of how he taught, what he thought, and that basically was the Bible. was done like that my foundation, but I was like the Old Testament for me in coaching and I use that book and this guy, Dick Dukeshi, he left not Easton, he went to Greece to become the national coach and he's the guy that really started Greek basketball, to put them on the map, and I learned so much from him. He was the best, I think, the best team, one of the best coaches teachers that I would taught basketball in New England. So, coach, you mentioned some things that that I think really sports transcends, is you probably went through some racism and some some difficulties. As you mentioned, kids that were black from inner cities weren't getting scholarship for in doing those things and you had to overcome a lot of those battles. So what was that, a little bit of that like for you, and you remember some kind of points in your life that were you had to overcome that and you had to face that adversity. Well, you know what I always talk about, not just black kids, because we're in a culture at the time now, you know, where people are talking about things like reparations, which I totally just don't believe it. But anyhow, that's a whole nother story. I always refer, you know, to poor people because, see, the struggle is not about color. Usually it's about money. There is there is a color. The color is green, just like the background that you guys have, and it's more about poor people trying to to get, you know, get ahead. It's more about poor people trying to go to good schools, get an education, get a good job. Not just black, not just his span it. It's poor people, white people as well. And that's the great thing about where I grew up in Cambridge,...

...in the neighborhoods and Cambridge, with exception of one neighborhood, all the neighborhoods were really homogenious neighborhoods, I mean multi cultural, poor and you know, and many of them were poor neighbors like the one that I grew up in. We didn't know we were poor. Because we ate. We had a we ate every day, we had clothes on our back, we usee a pierce, new sneakers on our feet and we played sports. We didn't know how poor we work. We didn't realize a lot of the struggles that people were going through. My mother had to work three jobs, but she never she never complained. She went and work those jobs. She put food on the table, clothes on our back. I if you would ask me when I was growing up, I would have told you I was a rich kid from Cambridge, but I mean I was. I was poured, but I didn't know it and that was good. But what we learned was we learned that and my mother taught me no one could ever take away your education. So get your education. If you love sports and you have the opportunity to play, play and maybe someday, who knows, you might even get a job coaching. But the bottom line is I didn't know it and yes, I they were a lot of things like I remember the first time when someone call me in okay. I was riding my bike in another city and I heard it and I said, what the heck, who would they talking to? I didn't realize they would they were talking to me and, but, but, we were taught, you know what, don't let anybody take away your dreams. Go where you are comfortable going. Don't worry about WHO's there. Just go and when and when you get an opportunity, make the most of it. And yes, you know, as a poor kid, whether you're black and white, I'm sure that people maybe said to you, Hey, you know what, you may not have as much ability as that other guy. That means you're going to have to work twice as hot as that other guy. And that's what I was taught, that if I want to make it, I could make it, but I'd probably have to work twice as hard because I may not get the same opportunity. And let me tell you this. Okay, when I came out of out of northeastern university, I wanted to go back to teach at the at Cambridge, at RNE tech in Cambridge, at my Almomata, and they had a day had a white, Irish Catholic Superintendent of schools. So when I filled out my application for the job, because they didn't know who I was or I didn't remember me because I wasn't that good, I made sure I put my middle name on the application. My middle name is Delaney, Dla and Ey Delaney, so I wrote my name out that middle name as big as I could. I want them to think that I was an Irishman and I don't know if that helped me get the job or not, but I got the job and I also got placed at the school that I wanted to say. That was your first coursing job. You were you came equipped with Your Coaching Bible that you talked about earlier. Was that your first experience as a coach? No, no, I had a you know, it's funny when I when I went back to the high school to teach, I wanted to coach the basketball team, but they had a coach and I couldn't. I couldn't get the basketball job, so I mike my high school, my college coach, coach Brookshire, who I had quit on but went back to. He really took a liking to me and he saw how serious I was. So I would teach us that during the day. I then was an assistant football coach, coaching the defensive backs right after school and then I would get into my Volkswagen and go about a hundred miles an hour downstar war drive over to northeastn university where I worked as an assistant coach and coached in the evening because practice is we're at night. That was my day. Teach during the day, coach football after school and then get over to the college and coach basketball. So I was at northeastern university for five years. The last year I was at northeastern university. I mean I had some good coaches to work with their Dick Dukeshire was my my coach and I work with him, Jim Bowman, who went to the FBI, and Jim Calhoun was at not Easton as the head coach my last year. Now I couldn't. I couldn't get that head job at not Easton because they just weren't ready to hire a black coach there. So that's all right. I got a call from a from my brother in law, who had a friend who was a friend of sat sanders, Great Boston self that played on nine world championship teams and he was just taking the job at Hobbit, which was less than a ten minute walk from my high school, and we met. He offered me the freshman the assistance job at Hobbit so once again I would teach during the day and then I would go over to Hobbit and coach. Would satch for the next four years. So my first nine years out of college I was Teaching Paz, I was coaching...

...as an assistant at Northeaston and Harvard and then my tenth year I was I was, I guess, in line to get the head job at Harvard, but they hired somebody else. That's when satch went back to the Celtics to coach and I was out of coaching for a year and I didn't know what I was going to do side of the Youth Basketball Program called shoot straight, which will talk about, and at low and behold. The next year, of the tenth year, after going back to the high school to coach, the job finally became Mayan. So so ten years later I was coaching at the high school. But there was a reason for that, and I'm going to go right into it, and the reason was, and this is why I think all that happened, was because I was being prepared for something greater than coaching at Hobbit. I was being prepared for coaching one of the greatest players who ever played the game. Patrick Ewing, because in the fall of I want to say, one thousand nine hundred and seventy three, seventy four, seventy three, Patrick came into my gym as a twelve, twelve year older with his Piz that teacher who knew nothing about basketball, and asked me if I would teach him and Patrick how to play the game of basketball. So I said great. In fact, this is another great story. I said to Steve I sits the why do you want this kid to play basketball? I thought he'd tell me. Well, coach, you know, he's six threes, twelve years old. It's a you know, big he's a big guy. And he said to me, he said, Mike, I want him to learn how to play basketball because I want him to make some friends. He does the kids are making fun of him. It just moved from Jamaica. He had a little bit of an accent, he was tall, he was skinny, was clumsy, and so we thought working together for years later, I'm coaching this guy at the high school and together, I mean we lost one game. Okay, we went seventy seven and one. We won three consecutive state championships. We were a number one team in the country. I had the number one player in the country. So I really believe, I know for a fact, that those years, those ten years, we're purposeful and they would design for me to make that transition from being just a coach to coaching coach. When the great your class and Patrick aring in high school, I coach a similar player who's in the NFL. Right, yes, Z K Ellett, who played for the cowboys. Right, really, really, really good talent. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of plays that I had to make up. Right, it says get them the ball. So with Patrick like, well, yes, almost probably was like hey, let's get the ball out of court, let's get them to him. What was your kind of mindset to like keep him involved, but also keep the rest of your team involved as well? Well. The beautiful thing about Patrick Patrick didn't have to score to be a happy player. He just had to win. He didn't care about scoring. So he made my job really easier and I remember saying to him, Patrick, I want you, you're going to be the next Bill Russell. Now, he didn't even know who dull Russell was at the time. So my mindset regarding path was let's help develop the greatest, the best defender in basketball. Let's let's use Bill Russell as the model. And when I d all in love would bear Russell. It wasn't because of him scoring points, it was because of number one, him winning, number two, his defense, blocking shots and and yet being in a position where when you needed him to score, he could score. So I patrick was easy because he never, I never, never once did he say I'm not getting enough touches, because he learned that every shot that was taken was not going to go in and if he wanted touches he could go up and get the rebound or he could block the shot and he could help us win championships, and that's what he was concerned with. So Patrick never schooled more than I mean his senior year in high school I think he might have finally averaged twenty points a game. He could have averaged fifty a game. And the other thing was that most of our games were one sided, lop sided. So I made a deal with Patrick and the rest of the guys that I would not punish them for being as good as they were by taking away all their minutes, because there was some nights the game was over after two minutes. So I made a deal with my team. I says, we play a team that we're going to beat badly, you're going to play the Firstt four minutes of each quarter and then the other...

...guys are going to play. Never, ever did he complain about that. No, I did my other players, so they were most nice. He only played half a game, and you know I mean they were nights when he scored thirty because he had to. They were nights when he had twenty block shots because he had to. But you know, it wasn't about numbers, it was about winning and I always told him that the greatest players I ever seen was Bill Russell and he didn't have to school points to be the greatest player, and he certainly to me he was. They if I was picking a team today, so called he would go. Use Your coaching, Patrick Hewing. He's probably getting recruited by every college. You probably had a million coaches sitting up in the stands or visiting. What was that like? That had to be a pretty cool experience when you're when you're coaching high school and you're seeing all these, you know, college coaches coming in and recruiting him when you're when you're still doing this what was that like for you? Yeah, well, it was crazy. I mean it almost gets to a point where it's too much. I mean we could have charged admission for coaches and made a lot of money, but but you know. So what happened was, once again, by having been a college coach, having been on the other side of the recruiting table, we were able to set up a system. In fact, that Leslie Bisher, the you know sports commentator who used to write for the Boston Globe, wrote and wrote some articles about the ooing of viewing and how the college coaches would have to go through this system. So I took, you know, things that other coaches had done, coach Donnehue had done with lew ells and before cover, before he became Korean when he was in high school, and some other things. We put them all together and a nice package and we basically had a incredible recruiting plan. And Patrick's mother, and Dorothy, God rest her soul, she trusted me and she said, coach, you know, you just do what you think needs to be done. She says, I will support you one hundred percent. So she never ever, I mean she just let me, you know, handle the recruitment of Patrick and I I promised her that I would try to make the recruitment process as as painless as possible and that I would set up a system where she would not be bombodied with phone calls from coaches every minute. That that, you know, we would go. We would, we would basically take the recruiting process from the beginning to the end in Patrick would have as normal a senior year in high school as any kid could have. And he did. And so we started out every school in the country recruited them and then we whitled it down, I think it we ended up coming down to sixteen schools that we invited to come to the High School for visits. You know, so I we had, you know, not only John Thompson at Georgetown, where he went, but Dean Smith and Dr Tom Davis from Boston College, Larry Brown from Ucla, Rollie Massa, me no, you name them. We had them in Okay and then we willed that miss down to six schools that he would visit because he could take six visits. So he visited Boston College, Boston, you, Georgetown Bill and Nova North Carolina and Ucla, and then he would whittle it down further to three and then pick one. Couch. You cuts another terrific basketball player, NAM Rameil Robinson. What was that like? Yeah, another incredible story, another kid that was born in Jamaica moved to Cambridge. His story, he should have done a movie after he made the pre throws against Seaton Hall in the mid S and one the world chair the national championship his store Rad. Honestly, I mean not, you know, not. He had some tough times after Michigan, but in after the NBA. But his story up until then, I mean high school. I mean he was a kid that basically was put, you know, out out in the street at night. I mean when I say out in the street, I mean he had no place to go and a woman took him into a home and, you know, and I started working with we're mail, and this is another way guard works. We're mail. became a member of our shoot straight program when he was in grammar school, and that's shoot straight program we started during that year that I was out of coaching. So all of the kids in Cambridge came up through this youth basketball program and so I got to know him during that program and then he came to the high school and he was one of three guys. There was Patrick, there was Rameil Robinson and there was a kid by name a lamp Stoton who went to Michigan to play football. Those three were the only freshman that ever started at range. And so we're meal was I mean...

...he developed into, I think, the you know, the the best product, best player in the come Heren terriffic on college player, like you mentioned. His free throws are probably some of those memorable and say history. So coach you? Yeah, now, yeah, we were in high school. Then you took the next step. You transition again and you moved up and to college. And then so what was your first cause? Where was that? You coached. I was so fortunate once again sat now that Sanders calls me up. I just taken my high school team to England and Wales for a trip, and he says how would you like to coach? It be you? I says, I would love to see says, well, you never know. A couple of days later I'm meeting with the Ad Rick Taylor. A couple of days later and meeting with the president. Were on Silva and Guess John Silva and I ended up going to Boston University and when I got to be you. They they really went doing that well. And but I had some really good players that really wanted to do well and we had five in five really good years in fact, that we surpassed Rick Pettino's during his record of wins at Bu. I think Rick had ninety nine. We ended up we won all one in the five years and that basically was sort of the beginning of my head coaching experience in college. And then, in fact, my leading scorer at Bu that first year was a fellow by name with Drederick Irving, who happens to be Kyrie Irving's dead. And I mean it's just it's amazing how small the world is. And so we had some really, really super, super tough kids, kids. I mean they could have played football with you guys, and you know great kids and Jeff Timber Lake, tony the Costa. I mean we had some wonderful kids and my son ended up coming to be you and my nephew and well, me. What's all night left Washington, even if you're playing sports? No, no, that's right. It's a it's an even toughest school to stay in. And the fact they had a program at be you. I don't know if they still have it. They might. When the kid was sort of borderline, they put him in the basic studies program that was probably the toughest school in Bu. So if you got through the basic studies program then you could go to any school. would be you and you were going to be successful. Tough School. You move off from you. You Coach at George Washington, St John Ford Atlantic. You had an unbelievable college coach Yes career. So tell us a little bit about some of your highlights from those schools. Well, you know, be you obviously just getting to the endstable a tournament couple of times. Unfortunately, when you get into school like be you, it means you're you're a low seat. So the first year we made it into the tournament we had to play against Connecticut in Connecticut. The next time we made the tournament we had to play against Duke in Uth Carolina. So you ain't winning in the Nsaba. So when I go to Gw, thanks to Bob Turn Act, the vice president, he recruited me to Gw. I'd met him when I was coaching it for you when he was at Hotford, and he and I had a great relationship and there was the most supported school I've ever been at. I mean Bob Churnact and Joel Tracktonburg, the president, I mean they in Jack convance and those guys did everything they could to support the basketball program. So we built a pretty good program and I would say the highlights. But GW was one thousand nine hundred and ninety three for a couple of reasons. One, my son joined me as my assistant coach at Gw and we became the first African American Father Son Coaching Team in the history of Division One basketball. And that same year we had a great end of the season. We ended up being the Cinderella team. We made the tournament as a twelve. See, we beat New Mexico and we advanced all the way to the sweet sixteen and we end up playing in Seattle in front of Forty Onezero people and a three million plus people on TV, almost upset Michigan Fab five. We had them, but they we missed them. They missed some free throws but they got the rebounds and put them back in. That's how they beat us in the Seattle Super Dome. I mean that was that was probably the most incredible. Bride Larry Michael was my radio guy and he went on that on that incredible run with us, and I've got...

...video that I watched from those from from that season to this day. And we had some great, great teams in great players at Gw and we were the most we became. Not only did we have great success recruiting kids out of Baltimore, we got a great kid out of DC and Vaughn Jones. Who would want who had gone to Damatha, Seante Rogers, Mike King. I mean we had great players, Patrick Gumber. But then we got really fortunate. My assistant coach one day came back and said, coach, I got a kid that I really think and help us at Gw. It was a hed just gone to Africa and he saw I Yinka drew anchor. At the time had didn't know it. He had asthma, so he couldn't play very long or very well, but he had the most incredible body. He went to play for one of my former players, Scott Spinellio, at Milford Academy. He eventually came to Gw and he helped put us on the map and then that led to us being able to recruit other international players like Alexander Cool and Diego, M Sharikov and, in fact, you love this. My last year, I think, at Gw, on my next, one of my last years, we he had eleven players from nine different countries. Three of those players came from Belarus and they could highly speak a word of English when they came. But when they left, thanks to, you know, my academic advisor, Karener call and the support system at Gw, they were wanted. They would dean's with students and so that was incredible. But the run, the run to this sweet sixteen, nothing getting day. I was talking to gusts before we went on the air today, but he's his body type was a lot like ewing's, that he's about one. I remember he the longest legs and arms that I've ever seen. Well, the thing about him, and I know I'm not going to Ayue with he was big, but it was more he was much more muscular. I mean, first of all, be a foot. He didn't measure seven feet, but when he put those sneakers on he was seven feet. But he was built like he was the strongest player physically that I have a coach. And when he dumped the ball and that's pretty much all he did was dump. When he's dumped the whole building Shuk and he put the fear of God's great many. So, coach, you've coached all these great players. Now Your College career, you've won over three hundred games in college. You said, okay, now it's time you coach to floridatlantic. I think that was your last goal. You you were a coach. Why? I well, I didn't make I didn't make that decision. Guess. In fact, let me I actually I went. Oh, I went over four hundred games in college. Okay, to be honest with you, but some crazy things happened after I actually coach my last game at St John's. We had a falling out at St John's with the president and eventually he said listen, goodbye. So I experience with most people experience in sport. Either get cut at one point in time when you get old, or you get fired if you're a coach. So I got cut, I got fired, call whatever you want, and I had no intention of coaching anymore because my I really felt that it wouldn't be fear to put my wife through that again. So when I moved to Florida, I moved to Florida because I wanted to stay on the you know, in the southeast East. I wanted to go someplace, my wife wanted to go someplace warm and I was going to go to work, and I did. I went to work for ESPN, doing some commentary, a lot of studio work, which I did not like, but so I worked with ESPN and then eventually I worked with Fox. But then in two thousand and eight the job at Florida Atlantic opened up and I was living in Boca and it was almost like I'm supposed to coach there. So I took the job at Florida Atlantic and Wow, I didn't because I was looking up your wikipedia and it said over three hundred games and I didn't realize before or it. Well, and I will say it's over four hundred because what happened was there was a situation that took place at St John's when he I don't even usually get into it where St John's at at that time. They took away like forty wins of my okay, that's a whole nother story, but anyhow the real number is four hundred plus. As far as head coaching victories, it's over six hundred, and I just mentioned that because it's almost like I hate the fact that it's it is written in some places as being three hundred something, which you know what I'm saying. But we test artist set John's. When...

...you arrived at did you recruitible? Yes, Frand Fashella, the great announcer or commentator who was now with the ESPN, was the head coach it's at at St John's. He recruited run a test. So I inherited run a test. I came the year after Philippe a Lopez left, so I run a test. Was On my on my first team at St John's, and I'll never forget the first meeting I had with the team. Run says, Hey, coach, do you really think that we can win the National Championship? And he said in such a way that, you know, I normally I would have said hey, this and rookie, but I said yes, that's why I'm here, because I wanted to have a chance to win a national championship. Because Ronald Test was in his I want to say sophomore a junior year. Eric Backley was an all American Point Guard from Christ the king in New York. He was coming to school. They had a kid by name of bootsy Thornton from Baltimore who had gone was a great junior college for ahead of I mean lava postell, tyrone grant. They had great players, but they didn't win the year before, at least they didn't go far enough. So they got rid of friend. For Schell I came in and immediately things really clicked and we went to the elite eight. In fact, if ran a test, I love Ron had played a little better than night we played Ohio state, we would have gone and we really should have gone to the final four that year, but we did and but we went a long way. We went as far as I guess you could go without going to the final four and we beat a lot of good teams on the way. And so the St John's experience was great. The next year, you know, Ronnie Runnie decided to go to the pros, which was fine. We had a great group of kids coming back and we ended up in one week, you're going to love this, in one week we beat Connecticut, Syracuse in Duke Okay. In one week. We did not lose a game during the month of February and the only game we lost after you know, around that time was a game that we should have really won down at Miami, but, you know, cause were a little questionable. And that year we went to the sweet sixteen and we lost to Gonzaga and basically they a home court out west. The NCAA rewarded us by sending us out to the West Coast to play West Coast teams. That's a whole nother story. Coach time, he made all these transitions in your life. We've heard about all them all. You finished up your retire from coaching yes that you're even busier now than you were when you're coaching. So tell us a little bit about everything you're doing now. I am right. Well, what I did was I wrote. I said, we started putting together some books. So I wrote a few books, skills for life. Everybody needs a head coach, and my last book the seven sees of leadership. And so what I'm doing now is, you know, I'm going to write another book and I'm going to basically do a story about how maybe I'll call it transition. You never know, but I am in the process of doing another book. I'm teaching leadership skills using my book at the Self Florida Bible College in B A field beach and I've got a great student sudents there. I am doing some speaking. So if you know anybody's looking for a page speaker, I'm available. And I also just recently got involved in a multi level marketing direct seals company called Valentis, which basically they are go to product is diet coffee and and I was telling somebody, yes, it's incredible, I'm telling you, and it works. I got two years ago. Guy Came in my house and said I want you to start using this coffee, I want you to get into the business. I said I haven't got time of speaking of writing books and, you know, setting up this course, but I'll buy some product. I started using the product I wait in this morning Gust and a hundred and eighty pounds, okay, and the stuff works. I mean suppress as your appetite. It cuts the cravens down and they've got some other great products. So if you know anybody that's been in multi level marketing, okay, I'm telling you that's been in multi level marketing that wants to be involved in a great company, this is it. They can audi have to those contact me. And I'll go. That's amazing, coach. So part of our shows about all the transitions that we make and everything that we can do and throughout your whole life. Yes, you have worked hard. You have shown that I can leave one spot, go to another spot be successful, and that's...

...all. We want to show our fans that, no matter where you are in your stage of life, that you can train, okay something and make something of yourself and whatever you love to do, just go out and do it. Put a lot of passion and hard work behind it, and you've really shown us that that it's all possible, no matter what age you are or how long you been in the business. Well, I tell you what, I believe that God put us here to work. He gave each and every one of US unique skills and abilities. He wants us not only to use them, but to share them. And if I had retired like most people think, for time it is you play golf every day or you fish every day, I probably wouldn't be alive today. I it would drive. That would kill me and I love the fact that you know what and you talk about transition, and I'm going to tell you something, guys. I didn't know what I was going to do. I thought when I was when I was told I wasn't wanted at saying John's anymore, I thought my I thought my world was all. I thought it was over, because I put all my identity into being this big time college coach and then all of a sudden, I mean, people don't even remember your name. So but but I was told long time ago that whatever, whatever gifts you have, figure out how you can use them when you have to make that transition. So the gifts that I had was all the Exper variances that I had coaching and teaching. So I said, you know what would be better than putting it in a book and sharing it maybe someday in a movie? And and I love to you know, I love to help other people. So that's another reason why I got involved in Valentius, in the coffee business, and it's I mean it's great when you can help other people and you can share your story and, you know what, you can help some other people make that transition. Because guess what, this life after basketball, this life after coaching, is life after announcing bill it just like you. I mean, did you ever think that you'd be doing what you're doing. I mean I thought I was going to coach until the day I died. I thought they would carry me off the court on a stretcher and then an hour later they would bring me back under the floorboards of the court at the guard. Well, you know what called? Yeah, Kid Chrisco came a long way and he's really proved that anything impossible. Well, if you die coffee back they might have been a center fielder. Well, I read some plates and a field when I stopped kept kept coach. So, Hey, coach, I know you have two books. So when we put your show out that week, would you care if we did a little thing on social media where we can give a sign an autograph book away to some of our fans? Oh Yeah, I tell you what, let's do this. I'M gonna yes. Yes, the answer is yes, and it could be either of one of I am in the process. I don't I'm all out of everybody needs a head coach, but I might have. I'm going to have some of those hut I'll have available and if you want, I could send you a picture of all three books and what you could do is you well, we not have one of these want to give away. I think that would be wonderful. Okay, give away a couple, two, three of each. I'll send you a picture when I get it, when I get through, I'll send you. I'll take a picture of the three books together. I'll send it to you and you can offers signed books in what they could choose which book they want, because I've got a I've got an auto of books coming in for everybody needs a head coach. They pick either the skills for life. EVERYBODY NEEDS A to go. That would be one of us saying Great Promo, because you're not a great promo. Okay, yeah, I'll sign them and you know if we know the people's name. All right, you, coach. One last thing we do. We have a little too minute row we do. It's called no huddle. We're gonna day fires a lot of questions at you and answer them. Okay, or however you want. We have a lot of fun with it, but it's called no huddle today. Let's start throwing some questions to coach. All right, coach. Okay, in your opinion, what's the most overhyped thing in sports today? Don't tell them can get that. How about the loudest being you ever played in or coached him camera do a stadium. Let me pet teams players that think they know more than that. That would be almost every coach says that right. I think all my coaches told me that too. If you could, Jeff wanted the woman in sports today, any sports, what would it be?...

Well, probably the rule I would change would be if a kid the clears for the NBA and didn't make it, and this is from this is the same rule that John Calipari would put in, that kid could go back to college, half to sit out of here, but then, but yeah, that's the great I thought. I agree with that. I think that should happen. Yet you mentioned maybe your books getting turn into a movie. Who would you like to play you in a movie? Yes, SYS Hey, listen, you know, when I was a little bit younger, I would have said Denzel Washington. So I'm looking the next Denzel Washington. I want him to be me. Will put will put my old beard on them. We will, you know, and will make we give him some Nice canality suits. Will make him look good. But more important than that is who would play my wife. See, if there was a time when I would have said we'll get Halle burried a play my way. Well, you know, we can get Denzel son, I played with him at the rams. John David, and you know, I think that might be a cut of very good one to play you in your in your role in every life. I think John Davi would be great, handsome enough. Yeah, definitely is all right, coach. Last one. I think I know the answer to this, but if you could be one athlete ever in history of Sports, what athlete would that be? Well, you know who that would be. That would be Bill Russell, because he played the red aurback. Yeah, I really thought that was going to be the answer. So, coach, we really appreciate question. I'm telling US your story, letting our fans know a little bit about your life history, and will let you know when this all comes out. We do it every Monday. We're about three weeks out right now, so we'll let you know when your show is that is aired and we'll do a great promotion through social media. And, okay, ask is if you are on twitter or facebook or anything like that and have friends that you can reshare it, retweeted all those things, and then when the platform is ready dose you can reshare that as well. You can bet on it. And let me tell you this too. When Terry Schildman called me, my old friend Terry, and told me that you would do in this and would I be interested, I said you kidding me? I mean honestly, when I came to Washington DC to Marylyn and I also fell in love with the red skins and I watched you play many and many a game. And you know, wherever I live, I route for the home team and I've rooted for you and I will now route for you even more and I wish you as you make good transition. I wish you the very very best and I want, I want your sidekick to send me his information. I fling, but l absolutely I think he. I would be at first cost. Come send me, because you know I'm not working out like I used to. So okay, definitely would be your first customer. Well, I'm telling you the stuff. It worked. Okay. Well, listen, I loved being on with you. Okay, it's a great, great I could think of a better way of stotton today and I wish you guys the very very best in because ever a wonderful God. Thank you, go Joanna's, for shading things you said. How do you today Hey, thank you, you guys like.

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