Huddle Up with Gus
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Coach Mike Jarvis

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Former Florida Atlantic Basketball Coach, Mike Jarvis joins our huddle. We talk with Mike about; coaching a high school Patrick Ewing, the racism he experienced in the 70s, and his new books. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I am former NFL quarterback gusts foras. I played quarterback fifteen years in the NFL. This is my showcalled huddle up with gusts. Each week I team up with my longtime friendDave Hagar and we talked with guests about how sports shaped their lives. ProAthletes, business executives, community leaders, everyone has a story to tell aboutsports. We invite you to huddle up with gusts this week in the huddle. The winner of over four hundred Games is an NCAA basketball head coach.He's written three books, is a Motivational Speaker, a successful entrepreneur in anespn commentator the high school coach of one of the greatest players in college andNBA history. His story is inspiring. He battled social and economic adversity torise to the top of his profession. He's welcome into the huddle, MikeJarvis. Joining us today on the huddle is coach Mike Jarvis. Coach iscoached a lot of wonderful athletes in basketball that not only college players but havegone on to the NBA and been hall of famers and some the greatest everand their positions. I've always been a big fan and, as you know, my niches like mid s college hoops and he and he and coach Jarviswas in the middle of active faking heavy. So yeah, yeah, so,coach, thanks for joining us on huddle up today and we're going toget you right in the huddle with us and and really we want to askyou what started your love of sports, like, how old were you?Was it your parents? You know, that influence, that first influence.What was that for you? Well, first of all, I always givepraise and glory to, you know, to God for giving me an incrediblefamily, a mother who was just the greatest, who allowed her a littleChubby Sun. When I was growing up, my nickname was Chris go. Iwas the little fat get in the neighborhood and they didn't want to callme fat, so so they gave me the name Chris Go. And oneday, Chris Go, in fact on his eleventh birthday, his brother Richardhad given him a basketball and he was on his way to the basketball courts, but none to get there he had to cross the field. He could. So he was at Watfield and Cambridge, Massachusetts, on his way to thebasketball courts and all of a sudden, the one of the local heroes,stretch head, lead little league coach with was calling Chris Go, ChrisGo, come on over here. So I ran over as fast as mylittle fat legs could take me and he said would you like to be onmy team? And I said I would love to, and I looked aroundand I saw they had eight players and guess what, they didn't have acatcher. And you know, back in the old days the little fat kidwas always the catcher. So I became the catcher. And what I reallybecame that day was I started my my journey in sports, my love forsports and wanting to basically be a leader and and so I was the captainof the team. I was the leader of the team and just fell inlove with with sports. And at that same time, that same birthday.It's amazing how guard worked. My brother Richard, who had brought me thebasketball, didn't realize he was going to be introducing me to stretch and baseball. He took me to my first Celtics game and and you know, BillRussell was playing in his at that his first season, and I fell inlove with, you know, the Celtics, with red our back with the playersand without even knowing it, my coaching career really began on that day, my birthday, and you know. So that's how I began. Andthen that led to, you know, playing other sports, football, basketball, baseball and grammar school. And then when I got to high school,I broke my ankle as a freshman playing football and I said no more football. I'm sorry, I love the game, but I then devoted my time tobasketball and baseball and eventually, you know, I stayed with basketball andthat's how how it began for me. And you know, it's really amazing, when you think about beginnings, how each and every one of us havesome incredibly, you know, just unique beginnings. You mentioned your coach inin Little League. Yeah, was that really the first coach that you hadthat really kind of influenced the direction you're going? Well, my first coachwas my mom, Dorothy. My second coach was my big brother Richard mysister Trudi. However, my first sports coach was a fellow by name ofringe Jefferson, who taught that's how to play games and basketball at the Cambridgecommunity center. So around the same time that I was learning how to playbasketball, that's when I met stretch, so, Stretch Headley and Rinch Jeffersonat the community center with my first two coaches. And the thing about bothof them is they would just they these...

...guys were I mean they just lovedwhat they did. They loved kids. They were they were very positive influences. If you messed, if you use bad language, they throw you out. I mean they were real, real good teachers of the fundamental teachers,and I think I really started to appreciate, or later on I realize, howfortunate I was to have to my first two coaches were into fundamentals.We're into doing the little things on and off the court. Yeah, I'msure that that helped you with your coaching career, because fundamentals are a bigpart of any game, even when you get to the highest level. Ifyou don't have yes fundamentals, it's not going to work. Yeah, soyour coach is coach Headley, and and and what's the other coaches named?Stretch, rich, Jeffersons, Jo and riff. They gave you a lotof a good understanding of how to start and love the game. It's allabout fundamentals and hard work. So then, yeah, what high school did yougo to after you were in your your youth. Okay, I wentto I went to there were two high schools in Cambridge, to public highschools. One was ringe technical where, which was an all boys school,and the other was high in Latin, where my future wife went to school. But I went to RNE technical. I went to RNE technical because,you know, that's where the real men went and my brother had gone thereand he always talked about ringe. So I went to ringe technical and itjust so happened that the name of the high school was the first name ofringe Jefferson, my basketball coach, and put in. No, there wasno logical connection. So I went to ringe technical high school. In HighSchool I had the opportunity to, you know, continue to play. Itold you I played football until I broke my ankle as a freshman. ThenI played basketball and baseball. I was a captain of the baseball team andI was very fortunate. I had a really, really great guy for acoach and tell Hayne and all of my neighborhood buddies. In fact, mybest friend Larry Stead, was the best player in the state and we playedin we won the the championship in my senior year at ringe tech, theyhad what they called the tech tournament back then. Guess they all the teamsin Easton Massachusetts would come into the Boston Garden and they would play and theywould compete for the championship, where we won the championships and the reward forthat was, besides the fact that you played in front of thirteen thousand nine, which was the sellout number at the garden, you got to ride thefire engines through the city of Cambridge after you won the championship. So atmidnight after we won this, the Tech Tournament Championship, we rode the fireengine through the city at Cambridge, went back down to my old neighborhood,pass my house, and I'll tell you why. I still get goosebumps thinkingabout that night. And and then, you know, and then, asthe good Lord would have it, I was seen by a junior college coachduring the tournament and I got a scholarship to Chamberlaine junior college, which Ineeded to go to to bring up my sat schools so that I could eventuallygo to northeastern university, where I met the guy that really taught me howto coach basketball. Dick Dukeshire, tell us what it was like as ahigh school player to walking in the Boston Garden. I mean you're you're rightin the middle of the dynasty, basically the Celtics. Oh yeah, well, yeah, well, I tell you what. Like I said, youknow, six years earlier my brother had taken me to my first Celtics gameand during that time that Bill Russell from fifty six. What you know,through of s they won nine, ten world championship. So I got achance to see every one of them. And in those days you could goup to the box office during the playoffs and buy a ticket. And youcan buy a ticket and they have good seats for a dollar fifty, whichis what my brother used to save up to buy our ticket and to beable to be in the Boston Garden to and play on that same old courtthat the seltics played on and that my you know, my hero, RedAraback, coach. That, I mean, I can't words, can't even describeit. That in itself, even if we had lost, you know, didn't win the championship, it still would have been one of the greatestmemories of my life. Do you remember something that Red Arbox said, likeone of his famous quotes, and three. He had a bunch of them.But what was your fist saying? What is your memory of right arebar while you looked up to him so much? Well, first of all, I looked up to him early on because I just saw how his team'splayed as a team, how five guys became one, how he could builda team that was so unselfish, with...

...so many great players, starting withBill Russell and Bob Coozy and Sam Jones and Casey Jones and sat sanders andJohn have let Cha. I mean he just he had a way of justputting teams together that that I am always in my in fact, I triedto put my teams together with the same mindset that he had. Years later, and we'll get to Gw I'm sure, when I really got to know readand when we used to sit together at the end of every year andtalk about coaching, not Ex's Os, but coaching and people. I rememberone thing, and I've used this in a couple of but the books Iwrote, as it relates to character, and I remember read saying to mehe says Mike, he says He. First of all, I remember himsaying at the Hall of fame the first time I ever met him, Imet him in the men's room at the hall of fame in Springfield, okay, and he said to me, he said, you know, I maynot always be right, he says, but I never been wrong. Andhe says that kid who got that you and kid, he's going to beone of the greatest basketball players that ever lived. And he was right.Later on, the thing that I remember him saying to me that I'll taketo the grave with me and he said, coach, when you recruit, recruitcharacter, not characters. And I never forgot that. Recruit character,not characters. And when you look back at his team and you teams andyou look at the people he had, he had men of great character.Yes, they had great ability, but they were men of great character.That's so important, having great character, being humble and being able to workhard and work within a team, and that's what most great teams are allabout. Sorry, you're in high school, coach, and you played basketball.What was your position? And Basketball? Well, the little fat kid.You lost some weight, so he wasn't a little fat Kys, justmaybe pleasingly plump. I couldn't run too fast, I couldn't jump too high, but I could write, I could lead and I I was a pointguard. I had to be a point guard and and I love that because, you know, you basically have the coach on the teams, just likethe catcher on the baseball field. I was always in a position where Iwas telling other people what to do and I was always much better at tellingpeople what to do and giving instruction. been taking it well. I thinkit's important that you tell people what to do. But the other side ofit, are they listening? You know, yes, there's a lot of peopletry to tell other people what to do but they don't want to listento him. So obviously, if they were listening to you, they hada lot of respect for you. Yes, and they did. And because,you know what, because I was fortunate to have had some great teachersand coaches. I was fortunate, very rap from the beginning, to havesome great players so I could put together a winning resume. And you knowhow young people are, I mean they want to know, okay, whathave you done? You know, have you ever won a championship? WhoHave you ever vote? And when you got those kinds of things in yourresume and your background, then they pay a lot more attention to you.So you can get from a point where you younger age. When I wasyoung and teaching vizette at the High School, I'd have to show them. Asyou get as people start to see that you know what you're talking aboutand you get a little older and you get a little smout at you don'thave to show them. You can teach them and you can use other peopleto demonstrate. So I went from being the guy that would take a kidon the court and actually physically show them to a guy that didn't have todo that. I could use somebody else to demonstrate and I could do theteaching. So what junior college did you end up going to coach? Iwent to Chamberlaine junior college. It was there was a guy there. Hisname everybody had nicknames. His name was hockey powers. He was a Idon't know if he played hockey, but he was a basketball coach there andhe gave me a scholarship to go there and it was in Boston. Itwas a somewhat of a preppy junior college. Most of the kids that went therethey went there because they could afford it. And then myself and myteammate, Larry said, we went there because he was in the process ofstarting a basketball program at the junior college. So we played all the talk juniorcollege teams in New England and as well as college teams, we playedBoston College Freshman, not Easton. Be You, and we had a greatschedule, a really, really fine coach and we had a lot of success. And you played baseball there too, and you know I did. Iplayed baseball. In fact, I tell you what. He's a he's asan interesting story. A one thousand nine hundred and sixty two. Okay,I'm cat I'm on the the point guard, leading team to the state, tothe Tech Trinity Championship in the garden.

At the basketball season ends, Igo to baseball, where I'M A catcher. Now I'm the captain ofmy baseball team. So we go from basically being undefeated to going to notwinning a game. My baseball team didn't win a game the same season.You talk about highs and you talk about lows. I made but I lovedit anyhow and because I was playing, you know, and having fun withmy friends and New England's a great place to grow up and play play sports. Baseball's top because you know, the spring is so short. By thetime the weather gets good, the baseball seasons over. Yeah, like forus, when we had baseball in high school, we were in a gymfor the bake till the first game. We're tracking off when mounds and hittingin the batting cage. You never were outside because it was just all muddwell, no, I mean have aut oh yeah, well, we usedto play baseball outside in the spring. We would. We would take theballs up with different colors so when the balls went out into the snow wecould find them. It was crazy. Now, you from from junior college. You ended up going to northeastern. Did you want to stay in theBoston area? was that the idea, or did you have offers to goother places? I didn't have office. They were very, very few offersfor African Americans, for black kids, for poor kids, to go tocollege berry. There was so few opportunities. I mean it was when I playedat Northeast and there couldn't have been a handful of black players playing inNew England at the time. There weren't as many scholarships and fact when Iwent to Northeast University, I started out with no scholarship. I worked myway all the way up to a half a scholarship and that was a lot, and I mean at that time, and it really helped. But NotEaston was a cooper school where you had your work six months, you wentto school six months, and so, as they would afford it, Ilived at home, took the train into school every day and but I eventuallyworked my way up to a half a scholarship. And and and let metell you this about about Notrtheaston. When I was a sophomore, I quitthe basketball team. I was very disappointed with the amount of playing time Iwas getting. You know, people always talk about you know you're not playingokay, so I quit. What it was? It could have been theworst mistake I ever made in my life. But my brother, Richard, convincedme to go back to coach Dukeshire, ask him for forgiveness, ask fora second chance. Thank God I did. You get gay a secondchance to come back on the team. I still didn't play that much,but that's when I decided. I definitely knew what I wanted to do andI knew that I wanted to be a coach. I want to go backto my high school and coach there. So I every day I had thisbig thick blue notebook, three bind and I would take notes of practice.I would take notes of how he taught, what he thought, and that basicallywas the Bible. was done like that my foundation, but I waslike the Old Testament for me in coaching and I use that book and thisguy, Dick Dukeshi, he left not Easton, he went to Greece tobecome the national coach and he's the guy that really started Greek basketball, toput them on the map, and I learned so much from him. Hewas the best, I think, the best team, one of the bestcoaches teachers that I would taught basketball in New England. So, coach,you mentioned some things that that I think really sports transcends, is you probablywent through some racism and some some difficulties. As you mentioned, kids that wereblack from inner cities weren't getting scholarship for in doing those things and youhad to overcome a lot of those battles. So what was that, a littlebit of that like for you, and you remember some kind of pointsin your life that were you had to overcome that and you had to facethat adversity. Well, you know what I always talk about, not justblack kids, because we're in a culture at the time now, you know, where people are talking about things like reparations, which I totally just don'tbelieve it. But anyhow, that's a whole nother story. I always refer, you know, to poor people because, see, the struggle is not aboutcolor. Usually it's about money. There is there is a color.The color is green, just like the background that you guys have, andit's more about poor people trying to to get, you know, get ahead. It's more about poor people trying to go to good schools, get aneducation, get a good job. Not just black, not just his spanit. It's poor people, white people as well. And that's the greatthing about where I grew up in Cambridge,...

...in the neighborhoods and Cambridge, withexception of one neighborhood, all the neighborhoods were really homogenious neighborhoods, Imean multi cultural, poor and you know, and many of them were poor neighborslike the one that I grew up in. We didn't know we werepoor. Because we ate. We had a we ate every day, wehad clothes on our back, we usee a pierce, new sneakers on ourfeet and we played sports. We didn't know how poor we work. Wedidn't realize a lot of the struggles that people were going through. My motherhad to work three jobs, but she never she never complained. She wentand work those jobs. She put food on the table, clothes on ourback. I if you would ask me when I was growing up, Iwould have told you I was a rich kid from Cambridge, but I meanI was. I was poured, but I didn't know it and that wasgood. But what we learned was we learned that and my mother taught meno one could ever take away your education. So get your education. If youlove sports and you have the opportunity to play, play and maybe someday, who knows, you might even get a job coaching. But the bottomline is I didn't know it and yes, I they were a lot of thingslike I remember the first time when someone call me in okay. Iwas riding my bike in another city and I heard it and I said,what the heck, who would they talking to? I didn't realize they wouldthey were talking to me and, but, but, we were taught, youknow what, don't let anybody take away your dreams. Go where youare comfortable going. Don't worry about WHO's there. Just go and when andwhen you get an opportunity, make the most of it. And yes,you know, as a poor kid, whether you're black and white, I'msure that people maybe said to you, Hey, you know what, youmay not have as much ability as that other guy. That means you're goingto have to work twice as hot as that other guy. And that's whatI was taught, that if I want to make it, I could makeit, but I'd probably have to work twice as hard because I may notget the same opportunity. And let me tell you this. Okay, whenI came out of out of northeastern university, I wanted to go back to teachat the at Cambridge, at RNE tech in Cambridge, at my Almomata, and they had a day had a white, Irish Catholic Superintendent of schools. So when I filled out my application for the job, because they didn'tknow who I was or I didn't remember me because I wasn't that good,I made sure I put my middle name on the application. My middle nameis Delaney, Dla and Ey Delaney, so I wrote my name out thatmiddle name as big as I could. I want them to think that Iwas an Irishman and I don't know if that helped me get the job ornot, but I got the job and I also got placed at the schoolthat I wanted to say. That was your first coursing job. You wereyou came equipped with Your Coaching Bible that you talked about earlier. Was thatyour first experience as a coach? No, no, I had a you know, it's funny when I when I went back to the high school toteach, I wanted to coach the basketball team, but they had a coachand I couldn't. I couldn't get the basketball job, so I mike myhigh school, my college coach, coach Brookshire, who I had quit onbut went back to. He really took a liking to me and he sawhow serious I was. So I would teach us that during the day.I then was an assistant football coach, coaching the defensive backs right after schooland then I would get into my Volkswagen and go about a hundred miles anhour downstar war drive over to northeastn university where I worked as an assistant coachand coached in the evening because practice is we're at night. That was myday. Teach during the day, coach football after school and then get overto the college and coach basketball. So I was at northeastern university for fiveyears. The last year I was at northeastern university. I mean I hadsome good coaches to work with their Dick Dukeshire was my my coach and Iwork with him, Jim Bowman, who went to the FBI, and JimCalhoun was at not Easton as the head coach my last year. Now Icouldn't. I couldn't get that head job at not Easton because they just weren'tready to hire a black coach there. So that's all right. I gota call from a from my brother in law, who had a friend whowas a friend of sat sanders, Great Boston self that played on nine worldchampionship teams and he was just taking the job at Hobbit, which was lessthan a ten minute walk from my high school, and we met. Heoffered me the freshman the assistance job at Hobbit so once again I would teachduring the day and then I would go over to Hobbit and coach. Wouldsatch for the next four years. So my first nine years out of collegeI was Teaching Paz, I was coaching...

...as an assistant at Northeaston and Harvardand then my tenth year I was I was, I guess, in lineto get the head job at Harvard, but they hired somebody else. That'swhen satch went back to the Celtics to coach and I was out of coachingfor a year and I didn't know what I was going to do side ofthe Youth Basketball Program called shoot straight, which will talk about, and atlow and behold. The next year, of the tenth year, after goingback to the high school to coach, the job finally became Mayan. Soso ten years later I was coaching at the high school. But there wasa reason for that, and I'm going to go right into it, andthe reason was, and this is why I think all that happened, wasbecause I was being prepared for something greater than coaching at Hobbit. I wasbeing prepared for coaching one of the greatest players who ever played the game.Patrick Ewing, because in the fall of I want to say, one thousandnine hundred and seventy three, seventy four, seventy three, Patrick came into mygym as a twelve, twelve year older with his Piz that teacher whoknew nothing about basketball, and asked me if I would teach him and Patrickhow to play the game of basketball. So I said great. In fact, this is another great story. I said to Steve I sits the whydo you want this kid to play basketball? I thought he'd tell me. Well, coach, you know, he's six threes, twelve years old.It's a you know, big he's a big guy. And he said tome, he said, Mike, I want him to learn how to playbasketball because I want him to make some friends. He does the kids aremaking fun of him. It just moved from Jamaica. He had a littlebit of an accent, he was tall, he was skinny, was clumsy,and so we thought working together for years later, I'm coaching this guyat the high school and together, I mean we lost one game. Okay, we went seventy seven and one. We won three consecutive state championships.We were a number one team in the country. I had the number oneplayer in the country. So I really believe, I know for a fact, that those years, those ten years, we're purposeful and they would design forme to make that transition from being just a coach to coaching coach.When the great your class and Patrick aring in high school, I coach asimilar player who's in the NFL. Right, yes, Z K Ellett, whoplayed for the cowboys. Right, really, really, really good talent. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of plays that I had to makeup. Right, it says get them the ball. So with Patrick like, well, yes, almost probably was like hey, let's get the ballout of court, let's get them to him. What was your kind ofmindset to like keep him involved, but also keep the rest of your teaminvolved as well? Well. The beautiful thing about Patrick Patrick didn't have toscore to be a happy player. He just had to win. He didn'tcare about scoring. So he made my job really easier and I remember sayingto him, Patrick, I want you, you're going to be the next BillRussell. Now, he didn't even know who dull Russell was at thetime. So my mindset regarding path was let's help develop the greatest, thebest defender in basketball. Let's let's use Bill Russell as the model. Andwhen I d all in love would bear Russell. It wasn't because of himscoring points, it was because of number one, him winning, number two, his defense, blocking shots and and yet being in a position where whenyou needed him to score, he could score. So I patrick was easybecause he never, I never, never once did he say I'm not gettingenough touches, because he learned that every shot that was taken was not goingto go in and if he wanted touches he could go up and get therebound or he could block the shot and he could help us win championships,and that's what he was concerned with. So Patrick never schooled more than Imean his senior year in high school I think he might have finally averaged twentypoints a game. He could have averaged fifty a game. And the otherthing was that most of our games were one sided, lop sided. SoI made a deal with Patrick and the rest of the guys that I wouldnot punish them for being as good as they were by taking away all theirminutes, because there was some nights the game was over after two minutes.So I made a deal with my team. I says, we play a teamthat we're going to beat badly, you're going to play the Firstt fourminutes of each quarter and then the other...

...guys are going to play. Never, ever did he complain about that. No, I did my other players, so they were most nice. He only played half a game, andyou know I mean they were nights when he scored thirty because he had to. They were nights when he had twenty block shots because he had to.But you know, it wasn't about numbers, it was about winning and I alwaystold him that the greatest players I ever seen was Bill Russell and hedidn't have to school points to be the greatest player, and he certainly tome he was. They if I was picking a team today, so calledhe would go. Use Your coaching, Patrick Hewing. He's probably getting recruitedby every college. You probably had a million coaches sitting up in the standsor visiting. What was that like? That had to be a pretty coolexperience when you're when you're coaching high school and you're seeing all these, youknow, college coaches coming in and recruiting him when you're when you're still doingthis what was that like for you? Yeah, well, it was crazy. I mean it almost gets to a point where it's too much. Imean we could have charged admission for coaches and made a lot of money,but but you know. So what happened was, once again, by havingbeen a college coach, having been on the other side of the recruiting table, we were able to set up a system. In fact, that LeslieBisher, the you know sports commentator who used to write for the Boston Globe, wrote and wrote some articles about the ooing of viewing and how the collegecoaches would have to go through this system. So I took, you know,things that other coaches had done, coach Donnehue had done with lew ellsand before cover, before he became Korean when he was in high school,and some other things. We put them all together and a nice package andwe basically had a incredible recruiting plan. And Patrick's mother, and Dorothy,God rest her soul, she trusted me and she said, coach, youknow, you just do what you think needs to be done. She says, I will support you one hundred percent. So she never ever, I meanshe just let me, you know, handle the recruitment of Patrick and II promised her that I would try to make the recruitment process as aspainless as possible and that I would set up a system where she would notbe bombodied with phone calls from coaches every minute. That that, you know, we would go. We would, we would basically take the recruiting processfrom the beginning to the end in Patrick would have as normal a senior yearin high school as any kid could have. And he did. And so westarted out every school in the country recruited them and then we whitled itdown, I think it we ended up coming down to sixteen schools that weinvited to come to the High School for visits. You know, so Iwe had, you know, not only John Thompson at Georgetown, where hewent, but Dean Smith and Dr Tom Davis from Boston College, Larry Brownfrom Ucla, Rollie Massa, me no, you name them. We had themin Okay and then we willed that miss down to six schools that hewould visit because he could take six visits. So he visited Boston College, Boston, you, Georgetown Bill and Nova North Carolina and Ucla, and thenhe would whittle it down further to three and then pick one. Couch.You cuts another terrific basketball player, NAM Rameil Robinson. What was that like? Yeah, another incredible story, another kid that was born in Jamaica movedto Cambridge. His story, he should have done a movie after he madethe pre throws against Seaton Hall in the mid S and one the world chairthe national championship his store Rad. Honestly, I mean not, you know,not. He had some tough times after Michigan, but in after theNBA. But his story up until then, I mean high school. I meanhe was a kid that basically was put, you know, out outin the street at night. I mean when I say out in the street, I mean he had no place to go and a woman took him intoa home and, you know, and I started working with we're mail,and this is another way guard works. We're mail. became a member ofour shoot straight program when he was in grammar school, and that's shoot straightprogram we started during that year that I was out of coaching. So allof the kids in Cambridge came up through this youth basketball program and so Igot to know him during that program and then he came to the high schooland he was one of three guys. There was Patrick, there was RameilRobinson and there was a kid by name a lamp Stoton who went to Michiganto play football. Those three were the only freshman that ever started at range. And so we're meal was I mean...

...he developed into, I think,the you know, the the best product, best player in the come Heren terrifficon college player, like you mentioned. His free throws are probably some ofthose memorable and say history. So coach you? Yeah, now,yeah, we were in high school. Then you took the next step.You transition again and you moved up and to college. And then so whatwas your first cause? Where was that? You coached. I was so fortunateonce again sat now that Sanders calls me up. I just taken myhigh school team to England and Wales for a trip, and he says howwould you like to coach? It be you? I says, I wouldlove to see says, well, you never know. A couple of dayslater I'm meeting with the Ad Rick Taylor. A couple of days later and meetingwith the president. Were on Silva and Guess John Silva and I endedup going to Boston University and when I got to be you. They theyreally went doing that well. And but I had some really good players thatreally wanted to do well and we had five in five really good years infact, that we surpassed Rick Pettino's during his record of wins at Bu.I think Rick had ninety nine. We ended up we won all one inthe five years and that basically was sort of the beginning of my head coachingexperience in college. And then, in fact, my leading scorer at Buthat first year was a fellow by name with Drederick Irving, who happens tobe Kyrie Irving's dead. And I mean it's just it's amazing how small theworld is. And so we had some really, really super, super toughkids, kids. I mean they could have played football with you guys,and you know great kids and Jeff Timber Lake, tony the Costa. Imean we had some wonderful kids and my son ended up coming to be youand my nephew and well, me. What's all night left Washington, evenif you're playing sports? No, no, that's right. It's a it's aneven toughest school to stay in. And the fact they had a programat be you. I don't know if they still have it. They might. When the kid was sort of borderline, they put him in the basic studiesprogram that was probably the toughest school in Bu. So if you gotthrough the basic studies program then you could go to any school. would beyou and you were going to be successful. Tough School. You move off fromyou. You Coach at George Washington, St John Ford Atlantic. You hadan unbelievable college coach Yes career. So tell us a little bit aboutsome of your highlights from those schools. Well, you know, be youobviously just getting to the endstable a tournament couple of times. Unfortunately, whenyou get into school like be you, it means you're you're a low seat. So the first year we made it into the tournament we had to playagainst Connecticut in Connecticut. The next time we made the tournament we had toplay against Duke in Uth Carolina. So you ain't winning in the Nsaba.So when I go to Gw, thanks to Bob Turn Act, the vicepresident, he recruited me to Gw. I'd met him when I was coachingit for you when he was at Hotford, and he and I had a greatrelationship and there was the most supported school I've ever been at. Imean Bob Churnact and Joel Tracktonburg, the president, I mean they in Jackconvance and those guys did everything they could to support the basketball program. Sowe built a pretty good program and I would say the highlights. But GWwas one thousand nine hundred and ninety three for a couple of reasons. One, my son joined me as my assistant coach at Gw and we became thefirst African American Father Son Coaching Team in the history of Division One basketball.And that same year we had a great end of the season. We endedup being the Cinderella team. We made the tournament as a twelve. See, we beat New Mexico and we advanced all the way to the sweet sixteenand we end up playing in Seattle in front of Forty Onezero people and athree million plus people on TV, almost upset Michigan Fab five. We hadthem, but they we missed them. They missed some free throws but theygot the rebounds and put them back in. That's how they beat us in theSeattle Super Dome. I mean that was that was probably the most incredible. Bride Larry Michael was my radio guy and he went on that on thatincredible run with us, and I've got...

...video that I watched from those fromfrom that season to this day. And we had some great, great teamsin great players at Gw and we were the most we became. Not onlydid we have great success recruiting kids out of Baltimore, we got a greatkid out of DC and Vaughn Jones. Who would want who had gone toDamatha, Seante Rogers, Mike King. I mean we had great players,Patrick Gumber. But then we got really fortunate. My assistant coach one daycame back and said, coach, I got a kid that I really thinkand help us at Gw. It was a hed just gone to Africa andhe saw I Yinka drew anchor. At the time had didn't know it.He had asthma, so he couldn't play very long or very well, buthe had the most incredible body. He went to play for one of myformer players, Scott Spinellio, at Milford Academy. He eventually came to Gwand he helped put us on the map and then that led to us beingable to recruit other international players like Alexander Cool and Diego, M Sharikov and, in fact, you love this. My last year, I think,at Gw, on my next, one of my last years, we hehad eleven players from nine different countries. Three of those players came from Belarusand they could highly speak a word of English when they came. But whenthey left, thanks to, you know, my academic advisor, Karener call andthe support system at Gw, they were wanted. They would dean's withstudents and so that was incredible. But the run, the run to thissweet sixteen, nothing getting day. I was talking to gusts before we wenton the air today, but he's his body type was a lot like ewing's, that he's about one. I remember he the longest legs and arms thatI've ever seen. Well, the thing about him, and I know I'mnot going to Ayue with he was big, but it was more he was muchmore muscular. I mean, first of all, be a foot.He didn't measure seven feet, but when he put those sneakers on he wasseven feet. But he was built like he was the strongest player physically thatI have a coach. And when he dumped the ball and that's pretty muchall he did was dump. When he's dumped the whole building Shuk and heput the fear of God's great many. So, coach, you've coached allthese great players. Now Your College career, you've won over three hundred games incollege. You said, okay, now it's time you coach to floridatlantic. I think that was your last goal. You you were a coach. Why? I well, I didn't make I didn't make that decision. Guess. In fact, let me I actually I went. Oh, I wentover four hundred games in college. Okay, to be honest with you, butsome crazy things happened after I actually coach my last game at St John's. We had a falling out at St John's with the president and eventually hesaid listen, goodbye. So I experience with most people experience in sport.Either get cut at one point in time when you get old, or youget fired if you're a coach. So I got cut, I got fired, call whatever you want, and I had no intention of coaching anymore becausemy I really felt that it wouldn't be fear to put my wife through thatagain. So when I moved to Florida, I moved to Florida because I wantedto stay on the you know, in the southeast East. I wantedto go someplace, my wife wanted to go someplace warm and I was goingto go to work, and I did. I went to work for ESPN,doing some commentary, a lot of studio work, which I did notlike, but so I worked with ESPN and then eventually I worked with Fox. But then in two thousand and eight the job at Florida Atlantic opened upand I was living in Boca and it was almost like I'm supposed to coachthere. So I took the job at Florida Atlantic and Wow, I didn'tbecause I was looking up your wikipedia and it said over three hundred games andI didn't realize before or it. Well, and I will say it's over fourhundred because what happened was there was a situation that took place at StJohn's when he I don't even usually get into it where St John's at atthat time. They took away like forty wins of my okay, that's awhole nother story, but anyhow the real number is four hundred plus. Asfar as head coaching victories, it's over six hundred, and I just mentionedthat because it's almost like I hate the fact that it's it is written insome places as being three hundred something, which you know what I'm saying.But we test artist set John's. When...

...you arrived at did you recruitible?Yes, Frand Fashella, the great announcer or commentator who was now with theESPN, was the head coach it's at at St John's. He recruited runa test. So I inherited run a test. I came the year afterPhilippe a Lopez left, so I run a test. Was On my onmy first team at St John's, and I'll never forget the first meeting Ihad with the team. Run says, Hey, coach, do you reallythink that we can win the National Championship? And he said in such a waythat, you know, I normally I would have said hey, thisand rookie, but I said yes, that's why I'm here, because Iwanted to have a chance to win a national championship. Because Ronald Test wasin his I want to say sophomore a junior year. Eric Backley was anall American Point Guard from Christ the king in New York. He was comingto school. They had a kid by name of bootsy Thornton from Baltimore whohad gone was a great junior college for ahead of I mean lava postell,tyrone grant. They had great players, but they didn't win the year before, at least they didn't go far enough. So they got rid of friend.For Schell I came in and immediately things really clicked and we went tothe elite eight. In fact, if ran a test, I love Ronhad played a little better than night we played Ohio state, we would havegone and we really should have gone to the final four that year, butwe did and but we went a long way. We went as far asI guess you could go without going to the final four and we beat alot of good teams on the way. And so the St John's experience wasgreat. The next year, you know, Ronnie Runnie decided to go to thepros, which was fine. We had a great group of kids comingback and we ended up in one week, you're going to love this, inone week we beat Connecticut, Syracuse in Duke Okay. In one week. We did not lose a game during the month of February and the onlygame we lost after you know, around that time was a game that weshould have really won down at Miami, but, you know, cause werea little questionable. And that year we went to the sweet sixteen and welost to Gonzaga and basically they a home court out west. The NCAA rewardedus by sending us out to the West Coast to play West Coast teams.That's a whole nother story. Coach time, he made all these transitions in yourlife. We've heard about all them all. You finished up your retirefrom coaching yes that you're even busier now than you were when you're coaching.So tell us a little bit about everything you're doing now. I am right. Well, what I did was I wrote. I said, we startedputting together some books. So I wrote a few books, skills for life. Everybody needs a head coach, and my last book the seven sees ofleadership. And so what I'm doing now is, you know, I'm goingto write another book and I'm going to basically do a story about how maybeI'll call it transition. You never know, but I am in the process ofdoing another book. I'm teaching leadership skills using my book at the SelfFlorida Bible College in B A field beach and I've got a great student sudentsthere. I am doing some speaking. So if you know anybody's looking fora page speaker, I'm available. And I also just recently got involved ina multi level marketing direct seals company called Valentis, which basically they are goto product is diet coffee and and I was telling somebody, yes, it'sincredible, I'm telling you, and it works. I got two years ago. Guy Came in my house and said I want you to start using thiscoffee, I want you to get into the business. I said I haven'tgot time of speaking of writing books and, you know, setting up this course, but I'll buy some product. I started using the product I waitin this morning Gust and a hundred and eighty pounds, okay, and thestuff works. I mean suppress as your appetite. It cuts the cravens downand they've got some other great products. So if you know anybody that's beenin multi level marketing, okay, I'm telling you that's been in multi levelmarketing that wants to be involved in a great company, this is it.They can audi have to those contact me. And I'll go. That's amazing,coach. So part of our shows about all the transitions that we makeand everything that we can do and throughout your whole life. Yes, youhave worked hard. You have shown that I can leave one spot, goto another spot be successful, and that's...

...all. We want to show ourfans that, no matter where you are in your stage of life, thatyou can train, okay something and make something of yourself and whatever you loveto do, just go out and do it. Put a lot of passionand hard work behind it, and you've really shown us that that it's allpossible, no matter what age you are or how long you been in thebusiness. Well, I tell you what, I believe that God put us hereto work. He gave each and every one of US unique skills andabilities. He wants us not only to use them, but to share them. And if I had retired like most people think, for time it isyou play golf every day or you fish every day, I probably wouldn't bealive today. I it would drive. That would kill me and I lovethe fact that you know what and you talk about transition, and I'm goingto tell you something, guys. I didn't know what I was going todo. I thought when I was when I was told I wasn't wanted atsaying John's anymore, I thought my I thought my world was all. Ithought it was over, because I put all my identity into being this bigtime college coach and then all of a sudden, I mean, people don'teven remember your name. So but but I was told long time ago thatwhatever, whatever gifts you have, figure out how you can use them whenyou have to make that transition. So the gifts that I had was allthe Exper variances that I had coaching and teaching. So I said, youknow what would be better than putting it in a book and sharing it maybesomeday in a movie? And and I love to you know, I loveto help other people. So that's another reason why I got involved in Valentius, in the coffee business, and it's I mean it's great when you canhelp other people and you can share your story and, you know what,you can help some other people make that transition. Because guess what, thislife after basketball, this life after coaching, is life after announcing bill it justlike you. I mean, did you ever think that you'd be doingwhat you're doing. I mean I thought I was going to coach until theday I died. I thought they would carry me off the court on astretcher and then an hour later they would bring me back under the floorboards ofthe court at the guard. Well, you know what called? Yeah,Kid Chrisco came a long way and he's really proved that anything impossible. Well, if you die coffee back they might have been a center fielder. Well, I read some plates and a field when I stopped kept kept coach.So, Hey, coach, I know you have two books. So whenwe put your show out that week, would you care if we did alittle thing on social media where we can give a sign an autograph book awayto some of our fans? Oh Yeah, I tell you what, let's dothis. I'M gonna yes. Yes, the answer is yes, and itcould be either of one of I am in the process. I don'tI'm all out of everybody needs a head coach, but I might have.I'm going to have some of those hut I'll have available and if you want, I could send you a picture of all three books and what you coulddo is you well, we not have one of these want to give away. I think that would be wonderful. Okay, give away a couple,two, three of each. I'll send you a picture when I get it, when I get through, I'll send you. I'll take a picture ofthe three books together. I'll send it to you and you can offers signedbooks in what they could choose which book they want, because I've got aI've got an auto of books coming in for everybody needs a head coach.They pick either the skills for life. EVERYBODY NEEDS A to go. Thatwould be one of us saying Great Promo, because you're not a great promo.Okay, yeah, I'll sign them and you know if we know thepeople's name. All right, you, coach. One last thing we do. We have a little too minute row we do. It's called no huddle. We're gonna day fires a lot of questions at you and answer them.Okay, or however you want. We have a lot of fun with it, but it's called no huddle today. Let's start throwing some questions to coach. All right, coach. Okay, in your opinion, what's the mostoverhyped thing in sports today? Don't tell them can get that. How aboutthe loudest being you ever played in or coached him camera do a stadium.Let me pet teams players that think they know more than that. That wouldbe almost every coach says that right. I think all my coaches told methat too. If you could, Jeff wanted the woman in sports today,any sports, what would it be?...

Well, probably the rule I wouldchange would be if a kid the clears for the NBA and didn't make it, and this is from this is the same rule that John Calipari would putin, that kid could go back to college, half to sit out ofhere, but then, but yeah, that's the great I thought. Iagree with that. I think that should happen. Yet you mentioned maybe yourbooks getting turn into a movie. Who would you like to play you ina movie? Yes, SYS Hey, listen, you know, when Iwas a little bit younger, I would have said Denzel Washington. So I'mlooking the next Denzel Washington. I want him to be me. Will putwill put my old beard on them. We will, you know, andwill make we give him some Nice canality suits. Will make him look good. But more important than that is who would play my wife. See,if there was a time when I would have said we'll get Halle burried aplay my way. Well, you know, we can get Denzel son, Iplayed with him at the rams. John David, and you know,I think that might be a cut of very good one to play you inyour in your role in every life. I think John Davi would be great, handsome enough. Yeah, definitely is all right, coach. Last one. I think I know the answer to this, but if you could beone athlete ever in history of Sports, what athlete would that be? Well, you know who that would be. That would be Bill Russell, becausehe played the red aurback. Yeah, I really thought that was going tobe the answer. So, coach, we really appreciate question. I'm tellingUS your story, letting our fans know a little bit about your life history, and will let you know when this all comes out. We do itevery Monday. We're about three weeks out right now, so we'll let youknow when your show is that is aired and we'll do a great promotion throughsocial media. And, okay, ask is if you are on twitter orfacebook or anything like that and have friends that you can reshare it, retweetedall those things, and then when the platform is ready dose you can resharethat as well. You can bet on it. And let me tell youthis too. When Terry Schildman called me, my old friend Terry, and toldme that you would do in this and would I be interested, Isaid you kidding me? I mean honestly, when I came to Washington DC toMarylyn and I also fell in love with the red skins and I watchedyou play many and many a game. And you know, wherever I live, I route for the home team and I've rooted for you and I willnow route for you even more and I wish you as you make good transition. I wish you the very very best and I want, I want yoursidekick to send me his information. I fling, but l absolutely I thinkhe. I would be at first cost. Come send me, because you knowI'm not working out like I used to. So okay, definitely wouldbe your first customer. Well, I'm telling you the stuff. It worked. Okay. Well, listen, I loved being on with you. Okay, it's a great, great I could think of a better way of stottontoday and I wish you guys the very very best in because ever a wonderfulGod. Thank you, go Joanna's, for shading things you said. Howdo you today Hey, thank you, you guys like.

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