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Episode · 2 years ago

Brandon Noble

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Friend of the Huddle Brandon Noble joins the Huddle. Brandon played Defensive Tackle for the 49ers, Cowboys, and Redskins. He is a Penn State Nittany Lion and is a co-host of The Obligatory Penn State Podcast. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What's up Dave it Guss, you know I got a friend of mine on theshow today he's a great person, great attitude,great personelity, the man when you hear his story he's been through a lot.He has he's he's been at the top he's been close to the bottom. Great Storyteller right really is avery good and very enthusiastic. You know started off in California. Hisfamily's moved all over. His Dad was looking for jobs, so they had to gowith them. You know from northern California, I think they went toChicago, they went back to southern California, and then they, then theyended up in Virginia Beach in ninth grade. So imagine that transition Yo'reall over you leave all your friends behind and then you got to go toVirginia Beach and find a whole new set of friends andthe great thing was he had football to kind of help. Get Him through that aninteresting aspect about him, too. Is You take a poll of NFL players, there's not a ton of themthat their second sport was soccer right and he was an accomplished NFLplayer and his second sport was soccer and he just yed to kind of choose oneor the other and he chos football. But you don't hear about that. Very often.No, you don't you don't, and you know his story is. I love it and I think theone of my favorite partswas when Joe Paterno came to vism because he hadseveral schools that were looking at him to come and play all big timeprogram, all big type programs- and I think that story he tells us about JoePaternal coming to his house in Virginia Beach- is classic. Can yougive them a little well yea of what it is? He looked out the window and therewas a black link Oln that pulled up and Jo PA stepped out. He said withinminutes there was half the neighborhood was in his living room with Memorbeliato be so. He said, I didn't even see him. I was in the kitchen n a he wasn'teven yeah. He was like Paterna was like holding court in he living room and thekid he was recruiting was actually like in the kitchen, an something else: Yeahand then his story of going through Penn State and the perseveriance had togo through a Penn state and then getting to the NFL going to play in theWorld League and that experience for him and some funny funny stories abouthis time overseas. Ah Yeh as a Barts won a dragon. That sounds like about a lifetime ofexperience that happened in like one summer right and just his stories overthere with his room with his friends and teammates, and the coach I think,theyre those are experiences that anybody would want to have and theysound like a lot of fun. It was like it was spring break, but you were inBarcelona instead of Daytona and you're, getting paid for it right and then tocome back and get into the NFL and finally make it and then to have somecrazy stuff happen to you. Where Yo you know, he got Merca and kind of reallyan it is areer yeah. No, absolutely it was either you you stop playing and get rid of this terrible. I don't know what you call infectoninfection or you risk it and you could lose your legs ight and it I think hiswife made the decision for right right now. He's a great father coach He's anentrepreneur. He does a lot of stuff, so brandan nobles joined us today. He's one of the Wer Cam. I don't knowwe are yeah there. You go but he's going to come and share stories with uson Hoddlewap, so welcome in to the huddle, Brandon Noble. So all right Dave. Today we have a PENN TATA ON. You know he his probably got a lot of money he'sbeen in his whole house on the game. This weekend, Bensa Pitt Yeah, who you'v pulled for. If I was bedding, I would lay thepoints and take the any lines in your heart. Could Ye betting TNOU? My heartis Oltin Arizona, Plaine, Texas, tech, butthat's whet, but I'm say we're talking about these two games and you havefamily that went and played for pit. I didn't so there's. I don't lot ofreally hockey pen stay people. I don't want to get off to the Reta that O Verdu Jaa Im,not our ges I' O weter prucer car yeah, yeah he's very com: Yea Yeah, Godi gotta hear Teveryot, Hey,rightfully so ltodaybrandwit pen state he grew up in Invirginia beach and played Henfl forhow many years, no nive nine years long time down in the trenches he used to bea lot bigger than he is now. So we want to welcome into the huddle, laybrandand, noble Buc for Havig me guys and David. I appreciate the way youstraddle the fence there on that. One...

...man that was nice with the pit Pe Stattaas dancing a little bit but yeah its good yeah wat. He wasn't Goin ta gostraight on the dagger. He was just he's. Well, you know it's funny. YouHat brought that up. I mean I went to Penn state as pen state was going intothe big ten. So I actually my freshman year, whan I read shirted was the lasttime we played pit before we went into big ten. I never played against pet. Ikind of feel like I was robbed. I mean that such a huge part of the PENSTRATtradition, those games in the S and this late set. You know when both teamswere national powers and then to go into the big ten and lose it it's oneof the thingsthat. We're kind of dealing with a Penn state right now isthere's a part of t e Fan based that would love to keep the game goingbecause of the instate rivalry and I think old, school college footballragalries are important, but at the same time it's not always the bestmatchup for us when we can go out and play somebody like Auburn or VirginiaTech, or somebody like that. That might give us more points because we'rereally kind of scrapping to get mio that College Football playoff at somepoint right right and no, you know- and I feel the same way about when Pittleft the big east. I mean pit basketball, I used to love watching itwhen they were in the big east and everybody they played and then nowthey're. I don't know they just get trouned well part of INPORT, of the todefend myself on the cockiness part, just so people who don't get mad. I'veheard a lot of peopl a lot of Penn sate fans that will say how unimportant andinsignificant pit is now and I understand in the Gwhat you guys arelooking to do it's justifiable. I guess to say that,but it's disrespecting such a great rivalry, that's been around for so longand but I think, though too, is that the people that are disrespecting. Ihave no idea about it, that right, true yeah, most young kids, that are itstudents and whoever that don't you know I mean earlyl. Let's JUST BLAMETHEM: Aloy hatththing! WE CANHATO LIST BNBUT! No, if I mean there's nothingbetter than early S, pit pen State, Oh yeah, I just clasped, Oh yeah, I meanyou had some of the premiere athletes that were playing the game at that time.Right, you know, except for brand, and Iweren't there so right exactly I mean it', Nic, helayers beside you, guys, yesyahsomsall right, so so brandon we like to really start at thebeginning with you, when you were growing up when you were young. Whatwas that first time in your life that you really fell in love with sports,like? was there an influential family member? Was it a coach? Was it asomebody you idolize on TV? You know so for me for football, Imoved around a lot as a kid I was. I was born in California, my family's allfrom California Yo kind of moved up and down: Northern California, SouthernCalifornia. It's been a couple years in Chicago Illinois and my dad had a jobthere, and I remember I. This is an actual memory. I mean you O ctebdamned.I remember watching the Chicago bears play the Green Bay packers and I wasprobably four or five years old, and that was the moment where I was likewow like this is what I want to do right. I fell in love with the gameimmediately. I knew that at that was something that I thad it just itconnected now. My mother had different ideas. My mom did not want her preciouslittle baby to get hurt, so she held me out of football for a very long time,which may have been a good thing. I'm not one hundred percent sigh. She alsowanted me to be a kicker that did that didn't work out very well, but but youknow that was kind of where it started for me. So I grew up a bears fan of allof Al. You know just kind of random, so for me it was you know I wanted to beWalter Paten. Obviously that didn't happen, but the other, but the otherposition, which is kind of intry that I was really drawn to was the defensivewine and that's what I ended up playing so guys like Steve, McMichael Dan,Hampton Richard Dent. You know that that group of guys, especially thoseearly S, bears, were guys that I grew up watching and probably not the bestrole model but wil alzedo. I moved back y House Bo back to California and theraiders were kind of in their hey day in the early s two, so you've gotalzada and JOHATUZAC and like h and those guys Soik howy long right thatthat's the that's the group of guys that I grew up watching and wanting tobe like, because I think eventually I realized that, like I wasn't going tobe Marcosol in wasn't going to be, you know Walter Paidon, I couldn't throw football, so you knowthat so it was kind f like I could smash my head into things really welland that's that's where I kind of focused on but t at that was alwayskind of where I wanted to be on the football field yeah. So you probablysaid: Well, I the fridge can still carry the ball. Maybe there's a chancefor me later in life. I can maybe get in a foolback and ever eletion low yeah,exactly loo man. I played football for like twenty years and no one ever gaveme the ball on purpose right, but so it...

...was. It was a complete accident andusually someone's mistake. If I ended up with a ball in my hand, so when youwere young and moving all over the place, what other sports did you play?I played soccer. That was, you know. As I know, I look like a soccer playerright. This is the vision of soccer. My mom was not like s. She was not goingto. Let me play football and then cat go going back to California, which iswhere I lived until I was going into high school youc soccer huge out there. So I wasn'tin. I had no Handeye coordination, so baseball was out, you know and it was g.no again this is you know, lates ear S, there's not a lot. You know it's notwhat it is now, but soccer was huge in California and still is so. I grew upplaying soccer and I honestly think that it's it gets a bad rap, especially in thefootball world, but as far as like learning how to run and foot work andthe important parts you know angles and those kinds of things, man h, there'sno better game for that. I think it actually helped me, as I became afootball players. Look it mean, I'm not I'm not a. You know a creature right,I'M NOT SIX FOOT! Four, two hundred ND ninety five pounds running a four fourforty right there was there was there was technique involved in how I playedin footwork and those kinds of things that that I think soccer really helpedme develop. As I was growing up and then eventually my mom broke down, Igot to play a little flag football. I went to a small Christian like middleschool when I was in southern California and my mom. Let me play flagfootball for a couple years there and I played center and defensive tackle, andthen they have centers in flag football, and I don't know why I do Sho Al reallydo the center is so glad for past yeah, they're elgable thin to catch it. No,not not in this flag football ie, just kind of snapped the ball and ran intothe guy in front of me. So it's getting very I'm good at Thos Day an Awai Way.Why did you guys move all over the place? You Know My dad just it was justwhat he did. I mean the word were that branch of the of the noble family that that is transient and we've always beenthat way mean we've. Always my family is originally from and moststill live in, Fresno, California. You know it's kind of in the Central Valleya lot of a lot of farming. A lot of you know very hot in summertime and kind offauhing in the wintertime and my dad just moved us and he wasn't militaryhe's a Vietnam vet, but he left the service after after he was came backfrom Vietnam and and just move this around a lot, and I joke it's becausemy dad, you know, has a tendency to speak his mind and maybe sometimes whenhe shouldn't, and so it was kind of moving for place to place when he whenhe realized things were kind of broken right right. Kanora said I shouldn'thave said that to the Bos we got to GE right, exactly that's exactly right,there's always one person in the organization. That knows too much onthat person should be fired right. So that's a so that's kind of you know. Sowe did move about every four years, and so it was literally like you know. Iwas born in Northern California. Lived there for a couple years. Ten went toChicago for a couple of years back to northern California kind of the Bayarea, San Francisco Bat area. Then we move to southern California. When I wasin fifth grade and from fifth until the summer of Eighth Grade, I live, welived in Oreange County, which Ou know looks not not a bad place to be andthen going and then from there. The big move happened where my dadfound a job in Virginia Beach Virginia, which is as far away from southernCalifornia, possibly yeah, and that's what we ended up. Anit wasagain, you know a terrible thing to go through, as as a a rising freshman likemoving from coast to coast as you're going into your freshman you're highschool is a little intimidating, to say the least, especially thin going from asmall private quaker middle school to the Virginia Beach Public School System.It a little overwhelming, but but you know it's good for you. You know youlook back on it and say you know that that was one of those moments in mylife where superucomfortable and not happy, but but it made me a betterperson, but my mom. Actually. Finally, let me play football. My eighth gradeyear in southern California- and I hated it, which was amazing right likeso it's you know all those kids that grow up playing football fror the timethey're like seven or eight and all of a sudden. You know here comes a bigkind of Husky. Kid was the word that we used to use for the Chubby plans rightand- and I show up and the coaches are like man this kid he looks sa he's.Gonna Bea, good football play runs. Well, all these things right- and theyput he pads on me and the first night they put me in Tyou- know hold schoolOklahoma, drills right, but they put me into the line backer, so I had to gotapkle the running back, and this is a kid I can't I wish I could remember hisfirst name. His last name was Gonchar, not the hockey player, but because I'velooked because he hit me like he was a hockey player and he came o Ta thingman and he whacked me and I don't think I took another rap, the rest of thethin. I was that kid that was standing in the back of the line like lettingguys go in front of me, letting guys go in front of MEM ND for the rest of thatyear. This is the Trut. I did...

...everything I could not to play football.Diarhea forget my helm, you know Shit, I'm sit, I mean the whole thing man andand now that I've got kids like I've seen I've done it V. I've been there I'e Forgott, my helmet before game. You know and because I didn't want to play,but my parents like you're, not quitdin and so honestly got move from fromCalifornia, where now I've kind of gone through a year and all these kids, Iwas going to go, play high school football with and then I got to go toVirginia beach fore, I kind of got to start fresh after getting you know myface kicked in for a season and it's always it was good for me. You know Bit was good, but it was not an easy trasition from soccer to football. Atthat point, so did you play soccer in high school? Then I made the team myfreshman year. I was a pretty good soccer player and again this is beforeI kind of got really big. I mean I was you know. You know in that kind of fiveten six foot hundred and seventy five eighty pounds I could still run andyeah. So I made it an as a ninth grader. I made the school team, I didn't playTravi soccer O or you know, Club socker or whatever you call it. When I move toVirginia Beach- and I tried affer the soccer teing there, but I playedfootball that fall and it it's honestly, it's how I met guys that are still mybest friends. You know that I have no friends right. I move across thecountry in like July, so you get to Virginia Beach and there you don't knowit. I didn't know anybody right et was there was not a soul. If I spent likefour weeks by myself and then you know, the first day of camp starts atLennaven, junior high and Virginia Beach. They did seventh eight ninth and then you went to high senior, so ojunior high school, a senior High School ten eleven twelve was was youknow what you would call high school now Ma Sosin junior high, the fightingbluefish, the terrified mascot and I went out there and I remember standingin the hallway and just you know, egain. You know, if was a bigger kid, and youknow so the coaches kind of took notice on me and some of the other guys. Youknow all team to notice- and I remember standing next to his kid Tom Caren, whoyou know years later, woil be the best man on my wedding and and that's youknow that was kind of my you know. Thankfully, where I made all my friends,I mean it's a builting group of friends. That's what's great about footballright US boom you're in the lockroom Gos. You know it right an it's doesn'tmatter where you're from or who you are or what your background is right. Ityou've got a built in Group of friends that that you carry with for the restof your life. I think that's any support, even my daughter when she wasplaying all the sports like when they go to college you, when you have to goto college and you're, going to try and make new friends and all that all of asudden you're there early because of sports, and then you got Ta. You got awhole team that you get to know r right away and not just sitting in aclassroom and looking at the back of people's heads and Tryng to figure outwho the hell I'm going to be friends with or trying to join, IK, fraternityor Sorority and and Abbey always had a team. Gunner went down to WilliamamMary had the same thing and gave je only one that didn't go and play, andhe kind of had the toughest time trying to find a right, roommate, a friendsit's actually taken about three years to do that, which is creazy yeah right.We're goto found his best friend right away in sports, so nopes getting back to it. When you werea kid, there's a question that we're about ninety five percent of it yeah. Ithink it's is Daves Day's area. I think at he already hented. He said he wasn'treally really good at throwing. So I'm not sure what the answeris going to bee could have been a good hitter. True, all right, we have about a ninety fivepercent success rate on this question and Wei say success because I'm realthro with a ball, but did you play whiffeball as a kid? I did not get introduced to withfootball until college? Okay, where were yeah at a Penn state whifpeballwas a huge part of our summer activities when, when you just wentback, you know when we were in school and you'd lift and run in the morning,and then you go to a coupe. You know a class or two over the course of theday.We had a. We had a really really talented group of Whit football players.I was terrible with a bogain. The handeye coordination thing didn't cometo me till a lot later. Still working on Ta you Catcho Yeah. I was more Li.Eer kind of you know that guy yeah, so so yeah, but and actually we we playwith a ball here in the backyard. I'm Ai big, big fan of it big fan of it,but no, not not very good at it again. I could barely hit a regular baseball,let alone a ball and move theron like that thing. gright right Dave has atwelve to six curve, so I'm waitng, you know a e way. You see I it's nice, it's deadly, it is nice.Yeah pirates could use it right. Yes, yeah, you know. Look I love. I lovethrowing the witfoeball like trying to pitch it to my kids and stuff like that,because you can make thatthing goall over e place, but yeah. That was not mycup of tea, but I we had some really really compactive whiffeball games upthere in State College. In the early S,...

...its althat counts, hey tha, ix rnt yeahwere likeinterviewed. Maybe twenty five people were like twenty two, a twentyfive now yeah, something likea wow yeah everybody plays it. I mean evenyesterday. Well we didn't ask Hor yesterday right no cathy. So yesterdaywe had an interview with Cathian leneer she's, the chief she's,ahead of security for the NFL W he used to be the DC police chief for years, and we did not ask her ifshe eer Tink Lis oball. I think thes ats yeah, we were nervous. She was doingbackground checks on us, as we were speaking o say gossip. Is that how youmetther, when you were thown with the skin CPA? He did a a Brandan, noblethough, that that yeah no a lot of lot of stuff a lot of stuff about when hewas with the Ridkins. But you know what of the great things you mentioned washelp soccer taught you a lot of other skills, and one of the things that wehear a lot about from our guest is is about how kids need to play multiple sportsbecause it teaches them so many other skills where, if you just play onesport, you your body N, your brain, isn't learning enough! Yeah, look for believer, firm, Liev and my and I'mnot. I don't way practice what I preach hereat the noble houser. Both of my boys play football and that's all they wantto play. I've tried to get him to play the Cross and Coll Er. My oldest boyplayed a little soccer when he was younger, but he just kind of ran out ofinterest and my daughter is actually an incredible athlete, but she's aswimmer and swimmers don't ever get out of the pool right and they're notallowed to get out of the pool. So it's like here's this this young lady who's,maybe one of the more you know o of Mi. You know definitely up there when itcous athletic ability and power and coordination, but you put her on dryland and it's amazing, but you put her in the poon and Shell show she creates awake. I meanshe swims like crazy, but DOSn't weljust has to learn how to the otherstuff right so being able to do. multisports is incredibly important andsomething I think a lot of kids are missing. Outon right now I mean ther,even though I didn't play organized you know, baseball or basketball, like I stillplay basketball every day during the Offseaso of my buddies right or weplayed beach, volleyball and Virginia Beach. What I you know, we were alwaysdoing something else. Besides just football right, yeah. No playingoutdoors and just going in the backyard and playing you know, we interviewed Joe Hisman andhe talked about playing stickball like they dabd ID. They had a postedstampyard and he talked about how they just would go out and playe ticket balland he was the same way. His mom never wanted him to play. Definitel yeah andwe're lucky to his buddy was thi buddy's name. Tommy Tommy came in fullpads and showed his mom. How well the kids are protected and then that's whenhis mom said Yeah, you can go play now. Joe. That's awesome, that's a great sin.He said if Tommy never showed up that day in full udifform, he may never playfootball, so that was Touyi start so tomand Tommy should be in the hall offame with them. Then right, NCANNIBAL, T ith, yeah more importantyeah. So then now you'r.The great thing is: is you made all these transitions? Not because youwanted to because your parents, your parents, ar you know, were travelingaround which a lot of us we have to go where our parents go. We've traveledwith our kids, all over they've had to make tons of transitions and that'swhat this shows about is showing people that life is about transitions. And howdo you handle those things like if you wouldn't have handled that the rightway? You may never been brandon, noble right that the guy I'm playing the NFFL for nineyears and as done all these great things for the game of football andSports, and it just tells me that you just got to have that that that thatopportunity comes to you just take a chance. Yeah yeah absolutely mean lookat that's what you know again. You know moving that much as a child was painfulright. It was not fun very uncomfortable. A lot of you know a lotof crying a lot of I'm not going to school today that kind of stuff, but atthe end of the day it made me a better adult right. It made me be able tohandle those kindoty. When I went to College Lik, I went to you know: had three great years at first colonyalhigh school was able to go play. You know get go to Penn state and play forJo Aterno, but I got dropped off in stay college and it wasn't like. I wasleaving some place. I've been my whole life and I've been in Virgia each forfour years, so I had a group of friends there, but at the same time it wasn'tlike. I was so entrenched in that area that, like I got so homesick when I gotto stay college, that I wanted to go home all the time and I joked like myparents dropped me of one thousand nine hundred and ninety two and I went home,one thousand nine hundred and ninety...

...seven. It was like all right here yougoing and here's your new friends and again, you know, like you, talked aboutGus with your kids right. You know. You've got that builting group offriends, you're stuck together. There's all theshared suffering and all the stuff you go through is a football player, and,and so it was it was it wasn't easy. But again it was a transition that Iwas used to making. I was used to making new friends. I was used to beingin rooms with strangers and getting comfortable real, quick with it. So Ithink it helped me out. I never got to that point where I saw a lot of guysthat came in in my class were like they lefgh. You know I looked at, you knowmy fresh. I mean you Wendn even further away to school gus than I did. I waseight hours from home. You were a plane ride, fom home, butlike these guys, you know we came to stay college and there's a you know,guys that are from Scukel, county or whatever, and in the middle of thenight they just disappear right, thebecause, they're, homesick, and sothey you know they call home again his a pret cell phone and you know, takethe midnight train to Georga jump, itg out the window of the dorm and throwingtheir bags out, and you never see that kid again all because they were theyweren't comfortable in a new situation and that's a that's a mistopportunor.Well I had I had two. I had a roommate two roommates from Philadelphia at TallSot and John Hopper was one of them. Big Muffat te tackle six six. You knowthree twenty. He would literally cry some nights because he missed home. Sobad, I'm like John, how Ong he goes just want to be home man. I miss it.It's like you know. Tols is not and I'm like, but you got an opportunity y. ugot a free ride. Why don't you they didn't care about all that yeah?Well. Well, look at another example: Gus knows him. My brotherinlaw playeddefensive end O pit. He grew up just you know a hour away, but he was sohomesick. Heonhis left pit is early in his freshman year. If he was in se good.You know, ESA hour away. Yo want to go to wher, I iup, because his girlfriendwent there. You know I mean he eted up havving a great career pit. You knowWbat, it's that almost a was ended in the first month of Al Yeah. Then, whenyou're born on show county, they rarely let you leave arms, Jo Aly yeah. Thatwas like going to like Tokyoa Yeah E H, like don' go down to Pittsburgh.There's danger down there right, so so Brandan far away yeah, we haveTho Saye here. Yes, there yeah year Ba cool los it yum.Now you started playing football at a relatively late age, but you obviouslyaccelerated and got pretty good at it. Pretty quick. What at what point didyou know? Hey? You know what this might be something I can do in college. That's a good question! Man After afteryou know, my oldest son is kind of going through the recruiting processright now, and I think that for me again, I a way different timeright, no Internet, no star, no know the recruiting. Businesss was not whatit Id wa. It wasn't a business. It was just part of football, all jest tapesright exactly and the coaches came in and watched them. You know in thejanitors closet and then decided whether or not they liked you right. Itwasn't hot o highlight films, so you know I think around my junioryear, like I through you know, my career's really been almost every place.I've been has been all ats, been almost identic, it's been as a younger pert as a younger personin the program read you know, freshman or sophomore, there's been anopportunity for me right and I wasn't a starter like I didn't start as asophomore first colonial high school I barely played and then at the end of mysophomore year with like two or three games left, one of the defensivetackles got her right and all of a sudden, I find myself starting on afootball team. That's that's! That's a very, very Revetran, high schoolfootball team and you know, starting all the way through from the lastregular season game into a couple, huge playoff games against teams that we'venever beat and then all the way in the states, semi finals when we finallylose and then the next year I go and I'm a starter on both sides of theballs O junion. I think at that point you know I kind of was growing enoughto where is six unred and six two about two hundred forty pounds and you startgo mnow. Maybe I'm pretty good at this, but then I think it was really mysenior year I went from tword a d forty to two seventy. You know I got you knowand I got it and T en. I think that at that point I were h. You know when allof a sudden, the first day of recruiting you know Jim CalledwellWhois, the quarterbacks coach at Penn State at the time calls me right andthen all of a sudden Virginia text call and you just kind of go. You know solike for me. It was probably around then when I was like you know what Ithink I can. I can go play college football and and because again it wasso different right I mean Guss. You know this right was like really atenething. All I wanted to do, wis be, and all I wanted. My goalt was to be an allstate football. One like that was it like. I wanted to be on the all stateteam and then, and then it was like you know, can I Cani thedn? Then it turnedinto something asse right, but the goal was never to go, get you know to go atPenn, state or Michigan or wherever it...

...was to be the best high school footballplayer that I could be and then then it just kind of took off from there. Sowho else did you look at the sides pennasty? My final five were Virginia Tech, PennState, Michigan, South Carolina and Georgia, tech kind of all over theplace. It really came down to Virginia Tech. This is one thousand nine hundredand ninety one, so Coch Viemer had only been there. A couple years had notquite turned it into what it what it became. So for me itwasn't that far and I didn't want to go to high school again. You know, I thinkthat has a lot to do with kind of the way that I grew up like I, everyonefrom first Colonia went to Jmu or Virginia Tech, and I didn't want to dothat again, ta, but four, five guys that I played high school football withther were already attack. I had a great amazing recruiting trip up there. Itwas a lot of fun, but but at the same time like I didn'twant to do high school again, so it really came down to Michigan and PennState, and I knew I wanted to go, and this goes back to when I discoveredfootball right. It was Greenbay, packers, Chicago bears in the snow andthe mud. I wanted to play football north. I didn't want to go down south.So as Penn State or Michigan. I took M my three trips for Virginia Tech. Ithink I went to Penn state next and then I went to Michigan after that.When I came back from Michigan, I almost committed at n this EA that wasa hell of of vis and and then I came back and I kind of Shaton it. For a week I asked Jim called well to send the dline coach down toVirginia Beach. To Talk to me, a little bit Jim Williams came down talk to meafter the his nickname was ace after ace left. I called the coach called Loand said: I'm Comon and it was a got feeling I mean that's all it was. Itwas just a got. You know got decision that this is the right place for me atwhat point you speak with Coch Paterna is that he doesn't make a in home.Probably NTI. You see him when you make your visit there yeah well yeah, so I met him on thevisit and then ogm overcoming first week of school illness or SecrondLega school illness and my children bought home and, and I met with coach up there onmy visit. You know my parents didn't get involved at all in the recruitingprocess. I mean literally, I took every visit by myself. They gave me no no input it at all andthey were just like, and then that was lik whenn. I would Hav finallycommitted thepend state, my mom and dad were like man that thank you, becausethat's where we wanted you to go, but what I told Jim Calle well thatthat I was coming joe had already scheduled a home visitwith me for the next week. I believe, and sotheywere going to come down and try and you now get him in and closed deal,which is what he was best at right and so so so I said you know you don't haveto say coach Paterna that I'm good. You know Y no, no, no he's coming downright. He wants to meet your family. So, a week later, I've already committed aweek later, uppolls the Black Lincoln town car right, Jim Jim call well getsout. Joe Faterno gets out there's a lot of Penn staters in Virginia Beach. Mybest friend Tom Curren, the guy, was the best man of my wedding is dads. APenn state grab, so Jon Walks in the house shakes my hand, seys Hi to my momand dad like hands me his coat and basically spent like three hours in myliving room entertaining my neighborhood shining auten didn't talkto me at all. Like I stayed in the kitchen had dinner, you know whateveryou know, basically brought him his coat back when when they were ready togo and that, but that's what he did, he came down and shout ith. My Mom and dadhe saw sat with a there were, probably you know, someon between nine andfifteen other people in the house that were not part of my family and and hejust sat in the family room and they all brought. He had written a book. Youknow they all brought their books over for him to sign and he's sitting theredoing all this stuff- and you know kind of all right, Youo see an Teinaugustinwait was and that's how it worked, and but he came now right andhe spent time with my mom and Dad- and I think the big thing at that point intime, which is kind of crazy. This rin Ne Thousand Nine hundred and ninety onea lot of the schools that were recruiting me, especially in Michigan,because we were going into the big ten. You Know Joe's not going to last yourwhole career right N. I remember that was the big question of my parents hadand he came down. He looke my mom of Dad deadny an I said. I will definitelybe there for the next five years. You know, and that was he was going tochurn seventy when I graduated and then the guy coached, for you know hower moflonger, but but yeah I mean look. It was a it's hard, especially back thenright when Joe Paterno shows up and a Lincolntown guard. You Know Whan Atalian guy shows up in lincolntown parkingfontyard, you don't say no to Hem Right. It's right. I work so so. No like I was.I was fortunate to go, go play football there and I had some great schools tochoose. FROR M. I really did I was fortulate so when you were at Pennstate and you're going through your timethere.

You know you talked about how you hadopportunities come your way because you're going there and then all sudden,you realize thet there's a lot of other good players. Here I mean I did thesame thing ats. Also right. There was my y rookie, my freshman year. You know,there's six quarterbacks and yeah. You got to compete against them all. It's awin Wi. When did that opportunity come for YOU AT PENN STATE! Wait! You knowit's funny. You six quarterbacks, I remember showing up at Penn State andthere was like a whole group of dlinemen that I didn't even knowexisted right. You know they Li a these. The starters, here's the two deep butwhet they didn't tell you was there were like six kids that they read shirtright like they were't on the roster. They were nowhere to be found and likeWhel. These guys come from you know and and they're all great ahead of you solike I remember showing up at Penn State and being on. You know the fourthteam, defense or whatever it was in camp and and and I read shirt O at andand I loved it- I mean Ie. I think one of the big things that college footballis missing on right now. Is this idea of let's get these guys in and out ofhere and into the NFL right, because that's what kids think they want butlike to be able to take that first year and just practice a couple days a weekand lift and get bigger and stronger and get your feet on tof youacademically, and it takes a little bit of the pressure off whatc. You kind oflet your ego go right. You know you go from being this big shot in the highschool, the back to the bottom of the barrel, and so I read Shirte my Freshanyear had a great time drive way more beer than I should have probably didn'tdo as well in Classas I should have, but I had a lot of fun and- and it wasa good experience for him, because I let me get it behind me, so the once Igot out o the field at wasn't quite as big a dealgh, and so I read shirted and then the nextyear I come out. I think I'm gointo get some playing time and I break my let incamp. So I break my leg and it wasn't really bad. It was a fracture Ipracticed for. I went through a to day on it, and I got to the point where Icouldn't sleep at night, so I was like okay, Probay, O to go, see e trainerand so yeah you fract with your right leg. I missed the whole year and itwasn't and look a fracture taktes four to six wreeks to heal, but that's howmany guys we had like? I just fellt the bottom of the death Thart. So by thetime I came back, it was just too late so that year I playd they moved mearound. They basically used it as a year to kind of figure out where mybest spot was so. I played no, I playd defensive, tackle defensive end center,go art and insidelineback all of those positions in the course ofa year and finally ended up back at detack, whichis again were where I think I belone I mea. I would have been a hell of acenter, but I just didn't want to play centere at the time. I couldn't bringmyself O, do it Itbut Reallik? Well, you know that's funny. So so oneof the reasons I got out of Plang Center is Dick Anderson's the the livecoach there and is they were trying to teach me how to play center. This isback gus you'll. Remember this when we just wore jock, straps rightTan, know these timets. All these under you know all e, the stuff that keepseverything nice and fighting there. So I would go out in mess shorts and aJockstra and Dick was trying to teach me how to snap, and so every time weget on her center right, like my balls, Wuld wouldrest on Tan and so, and so he kept saying he keptsaying you know and Dix is Oll like the supermontone like great guy, but, likeyou know, you got to wear some tights out here, SOMG and I was, and I did notwant to play center and every time I went out there and he put his handsover there and there was no tights and it was just jock and balls hanging thathe kicked me right out of that. Dril man, so that's how I got myself back toYelo IA. No, not doing this Ed. You from my point of view when thathappened to me, I'm like. Can you just go change like I'm losowith, this thewhole practice? This is not no! I GOTA! You know Iwad enough. I got to be onthis side of you. Absolutely absolutely is a very uncomfortable and it's reallyfunny because my youngest son Jackson came home. I don't know you beenplaying football since seven or right and he came ome two or three years agoand decided he wanted to be a center like that's what he's like, I'm AseerIas like okay, you know what that means right and he's like Yep. So I w's likeAl Righ. You know whatever ywt's all shot on e tdays, anyways, Yeatt, stthewhole game, but yeah, so so the so I ened up. I don't play any meaning. Idon't play Snapp of football that whole year my read, shirt freshman here andthen that Spring I get mono somehow or another, and and and I end up withdrawing from school like I got it so bad that, like my liver, was shuttingdown, I would drawin o yeah, I would draw from school. I lose like thirty pounds. I've droppedout like O forty, I'm at home in Virginia Beach by myself, which isactually a great experience, because I realized I dodn't want to be inVirginia beach anymore. You now all my friends were gone. You know not a wholelot of fun go back that summer. The next Yearisone thousand nine hundred and ninety four, which we just celebrated thetwenty fifth anniversary of that...

...football team at Penn State, which wasCarty Collins and cul Johnna, car and Kyl Brady, and we were twelve, an obeat the snot out of everybody in the big time go in the roads, Boll beatOrgon and end up fall, just short of being a part of the national title toNebraska Right and that year I was Lik. I'm coming off with this whole, justmessy red for freshman year, and I don't know, what's going to happen, twohundred and fifty pounds, Playi noseguard and so so. overand talk aboutthose opportunities right over the course of that season. Defensive Tack,Wes, just kept eting hurt and kept getting hurt, and next thing I knowwe're going to Franklin field and play in Temple and I'm starting defenseattacker and you know again. I don't know that I wasreally ready in my head. I was, but I end up playing so poorly. In my firstexperience in tha starter, I get bitched in the second caurtr right, Jopulls me put somebody elsaand who was who was blower on the death chark thanme, but was obviously better than me on that day and so Mi my whole. You knowconfidence has crossed the whole deal. It's my first star, my mom and Dad. Arethere like everybody's excited for me, and I play like dog crack and I getbetched. So thankfully, a couple of those guys come back a couple weeks goby. We play, I don't remember who it was. There was like maybe one or twogames in between we go out. We beat Michigan, we become the number one teamin the country and then venny Stewart and Eric Clayr both get hurt again andnext thing. You know we're going to play Illinois and it's like Chavin, hardy and Wenwith all this. They had a Buk was that big inside lineback, or that I meanit's ridiculous, do ight, I mean ridiculous. Hey we t shimy and Ri KevinHardy Hollo check was a middle linebacker like they were just loadedand it was the hell of football game, but I'm starting again. So I start thelast four games and the Rose Bowl of the ninety four season. Two hundred andfifty two pounds in the big ten like this is cat Berchmyer who's fromwestern Pennsylvania. I wish I remember his first name Played Center forMichigan State and he would just pick me up with like one hand and just throw me out of there Rightinlike bran, Gellsis or another Western PA guy he's our middle linebacker. Iremember him screaming at me, like just you can't play back here in my lap. Thewhole game think I'm two hundred and fifty pounds like ihave no businessbeing out of here right now, but but that was my opportunity to get my feetwet and it was. It was the same thing right. You know in high school somebodygot hurt and then I go take advantage of the opportunity. The next year's my junior year and I'vebecome I've, become the starter and I end up starting tirty plus games atPenn State. You know for the next two years I'm going to have a hell of acareer, but but it's taking advantage of those opportunities you know andeven though it wasn't pretty right. Like look my first opportunity, Isucked and I got benched, but I had to come back and do it again andthelovercoming. Those things made me a better for football player.May me a better. You know man person, so yeah ust, it's it's the same thing,an the NFL. The same. Damn thing happens, you know it's how my life hasgone. So so you go through Penn State. You have those great teams you're on what is at process for you to go to theNFL a battle Yeh it s. It was. It was not. It wasnot a fur experience man, you know so I was agein. I was a undersized guy and Iwas about I'm six one and three quarters coring of the NFL a'm,probably shorter than that. Now I think we're all strinkind now go and Ho was two hundred sixty five pounds,because Joe didn't want anybody to be big at Penn state at that time. Whenyou look at Hem now, they're oll monsters, but so I was a six foot ball,two hundred and sixty pound de tactle. In a time when Sam Adams and TonySeragusa were kind of the picture of a defense attack on the NFL Right F, I'mnot you know. Iwul take two of me to be as big as Gooch was at that point intime, and so I go to I get invited to the seniorBor. I'm a second team, all big ten ihave a great senior year yeah likeseventy, tackles eight sacks. I played a one technique like I was a shade you O. I had had a really good footballseason and- and I was also kind of I was a projected third O fifth roundpick right. Its yeah go ahead, no go ahead, I as just I so I gid invited to the senior bawland- and I don't know did you- did you play in the senior Bolgos now Blue Gray,game bugreg? So you know, after the after the practiceis right, there's theGMS and the scouts and everybody righ and they're with guys and talking tohim and that kind of stuff, and so every night you go back to your roomand you know my roommate 's got kidney maccanili from from USC every night,he's going out and meeting with GMS and meeting with Scouts and talking toteams, and I'm going back to my room and nobody's calling to talk to meright like no, I didn't talk, I didn't...

I didn't meet with a single guy, thewhole time I was out there and at that point I'm kind of going all right. Thisisn't looking good, and so then I find out whyl I'm at thesenior bull t t I don't I'm not invited to the COMBA. So now that's anotherkind of like he red flag. You know I mean like something something' going onhere and again a lot of it had to do with. I was a six foot, one two hundreda sixty pounds tetack. So I did my pro day I had you know I was a four eight.Four, I ma an Ron. I was Straw. I was a four forty. You know I got I di. I wasa super super strong. We had a different kind of lifed in there atPenn State. At the time Ye was prying to twenty two to twenty five range nTwu. Twenty five. I get a two sixteet, not too bad, but I had teams thatdidn't really understand. You know where to put me, I worked outMida linebacker a little bit. I did some some things like that and hold onMi Gota do got a one start of dog barking and- and I have Pai Pay Mayor, I'm geing togive you guys a little bit of real life yher. I think the repair guy for thethe refrigerators here. U frigerators broke guys, so the drive get that fixwith those guys the dryer stopped working this morning to which isterrible. When you got five people in that Yeaso, so dogs made ar crazy. Soso I don't get invited with the combine. I don't have a great week at Tho, SeeaBoll. I have a good proday. I think, but notgood enough and draftday comes along an and hes forty pards of Frenching hell. Imean I shit in my room watking the SPN, because there are no cell phones at thetime right, ie to sit there d, wait for a phone call and just watch Dlimanafter D Linan, Affe de Li an get drafted, and I don't get a call youknow, but the phone ringing everyon once in a while be my Mo. My Dad Bu onknow come on man just stop all, because every time we folle Rin, you think okayman, this is it and then you know so so it didn't happen. I didn't get drafted.I had four or five teams that were interested in bringing me in as aundrafted free agent. A couple tean wanted to make me a center kind of gotback to that again and- and I end up going to the forty niners- is anundrafted free agent and walked in the door there and the dline room wasbright. Young Danis Stubblefield, Chris Dolman Junior Barker- I mean it was Imean it was. It was ludicrous. The amount of guys that were in that roomand- and so you go okay, you know I'm hopefullygoing to make the practice Wal, but I think at that point man, Li, my my Eo.My confidence have just been absolutely chewed up right. You know I mean so so,like I went out there, and this is. This is a funny story right you get to:U Get there to camp and in Sam Fran we were I don remember where we were were,and we going were at this. This SCHEN and everybody's, getting their roomslike their dorm rooms, right T, their roomat assignments, and so I get thiskey and I'm walking and all of a sudden, I'm Bein like this classroom, buildingright and I'm walking, thoug always es, like fifteen other guys walking up, andwe all the same key right and basically like they'v taken this two classroomsknock the partition ouum in between them and put cots in there, and it was basicallylike a revolving door and the grim reeper was in that room almost everyday, cutting peopl right. I mean unto likewhen you walk in that room. You're like all right. I know what's going tohappen here, you know and I'm a Campbo and and actually want to boil dowt toSok. You lay there and in the morning you you hear the you hear the classroomdoor open right and youow ea about five o'clock. They try and do it beforeeverybody woke up. What's you know, you understand you on ant of embarrassedguys but t the same time. Ere Twenty of us in this room and Kiht, and you just kind of you know, you'dhear that door open man and just dude would like it was like being a fiveyear old, being afraid of the moster in the closet. You gow to you, pull thecutes up as high as you could man and get down loan sick into your Ba pray toGod. He doesn't come to ap you on the shoulder and you know e did getsomebody I didn't cut well, I did not get cut while we were in that room. Imade him back to San Francisco and got cut walking into the facility at theend, but but that was my my intoduction right.So I got cut. I went home. I was bouncing at a bar of Virginia Beach,Virginia drinking beer having a good time kind of like Oo. You know I don'tknow what I'm going to do now, but and they ended up calling me back at theend, it's kind of midseason I fly out on a Wednesday morning. Thisis the NFL man flyout on a Wednesday morning. The bring me back on the pracksquad. First Murd smoking out of NortholkVirginia Land Practice practice Wednesday Thursday. The team wentsomeplace on Friday back east to play. I spend the weekend out there. Somebodygets hurt Monday morning, I'm on an airplane back to nortold Virginia. Igot you know two grand in my pocket for five days of work and and I'm Coman GaiHen, I'm home and I'm back bouncing at t chos down at the ocean fonk and and that's Othe, some of the best Pizain the entire world. Man Kicking my drunk buddies out out of the Bar, youknow and...

...and that's kind of how it started sothen I go to Anett they in evfl. Europe was a thing which was amazing and savedmy career. I go. They send me to Anfl Europe, theybring me back cut me again in camp. I go home again, I'm not boncing it aball this time. At this point, I'm kind of like I'm maybe done with this, and then they call me back right afterThanksgiving, I believe briant yell broke his leg. It was really nasty, bewhy I broke his leg and they needed, and I actually got out there. I was onthe practice quad for about six weeks, the end of the season, and it was theyear that torelloans made that catch against the packers and we actuallylost to the Falcons in the divisional round of the playoffs and they went onto go to the Super Bowl lose that year and so again, so after the season theywant to sign me back and I was like EA. No, I don't know if this is the placefor me and- and I told my agent that that's how I really don't want to goback there, and so I hade three options I had the Cleveland Browns who werejust coming back was ninety nine, the Washington redskins and the dals cowboys, and it was likeat this point I was like man. It doesn't, I kind of understand thebusiness at this point, I'm like nok it. I got a snowball chance in hell, nomatter where I go so I said: Let's go an you know which one he wanted. Iasked brick my a rich Smith and I said where di O wher. Where do you think anme I o skip Dow so try they kind of do. There were more of a one gap, kind ofup field, jus what I tininto, with the understanding that they weregoing to send me back to NFL Europe, Ih chnge back to Barschool back toBarcelona, that's a whole nother podcast that was a good time and and and go back there midway throughthe season Leon Lett gets just pop for hepes hot. So he got caught, he was inthe program and he got suspended for the first eight games of the season.This was actually again that opportunity right and- and so I go backto Dalla, so I told my my wife Marrid Kad who's, my fiance the time I saidlook, this is it. This is my third camp. I'M NOT GOOD! If I get cut this time,it's over right, I'm done with it. I'm not going to be thirty years old, goingto camps and trying to make it in the NFL alright. So so en go to Dallas and just let it all hang out right. Atthat point I was like I had a great year in NFL Europe. I was all worldrights better than all pro I was all world and and and we and I had a goodyear- and I was bigger- I was two hundred D, eighty five pounds and, and I went to Dasan just playind-I didn't care about what happened right. I let it all go, and I did enough to wear. You know midwaythrough preseason, I'm starting to get reps in the first cuarter against theother team starters, and I remember Lin it up against Steve Wasmuski rigt, aPenn stater who's with the raiders and Wiz was one of those guys thateverybody was kind of scared of right, yeah he's little yeah yeah exactlyexactly- and here I am like this- is a guy that I've watched on TV like mywhole life and I'm like terrified of them, but I'm getting I'm getting. Myhead kicked in every day by Larry Allenan practice so like with nooffense, but it was like yeah. You know what I mean like he's, not that big andstrong compared to la, but so so I go out I'm starting to getraps, and I remember man that that last cut my locker was kind of in this. Thiscorner, where you walk in and out of the Locke Room. I remember just sittingthere like waiting. I was like Al Youow. My playbook was probably in my lap likeall right. I'm right come get me and I must have been green and you know thecoloring and Pale, and I remember Bob hots whos, one of our assistanttrainers a good guy. I became really good friends an he walked out. Hewalked past me right, so he's going out of the locker room and he comes back inand I remember grabb my shirt and he goes hey man, you're, okay, BA justmetter being like io e groot, buffs thinkng about it. Right now I was justlike hold shit shoot my language, but I was just like that that moment. Man waslike. I worked forever for this right, but here's the thing we AE, let'scoming back in eight weeks, so they kept two of us and it was basically aneight week, competition to see who was going to keep their job when the bigcat came back right and so for the next eight weeks I dressed in every singlegame I played in every single game and the other guy didn't and when Leoncame back, I made the team and they let the other guy go and- and at that point I still terrified tha.We were down there Marrikad to come down at that point and I wouldn't lether buy any furniture like we bought a bed, a SOFA and a TV. I don't even think wehad a coffee tate and we didn't have any furniture, not ti. That was it. Iwas like look. I could use my job any day now. I was terrified to even sign asix month lease at the apartment that I was sign. You know that I was, I wassure I was getting caught right and, and you know nd, and so next thing Iknow, I'm you know I'm there, I'm playing all sixteen games. I playedthirty five football games that year...

...from NFL Europe until the wild cardgame, where we lost to the Vikings thirty five games, man and how easy Iwas worn out ia just to be a record it wasit was. It was PA when I got donewith the season out here I was like Allright, I'm done. I don't need towatch football anymore, and then you know a year later, I'm thestarting nose guard- and I start there for three years and and get anopportunity to go, be a free agent and play for the redskins awesome. I meanyou talking about transitions and perseverance and pushing through things,there's no better story than that. One day, it's unbelievable yeah. I meanjust to hear it's a Brik Reah one of the things I want to ask because Inever got to sit in one of those meetings. What's a defensive linemeeting. What is that like? Because the quarterbacks, obviously you know littledifferenty but yeah little tlittle, while 'm not saying it's that muchdiffrent, but we do oits Tuf looking at different things and you guys w. what'sthe meeting room like a Deli s like insane this stuff, I mean that's kindof the best way to put it right. It's literally, it's fifteen crazy people inone room with with one guy who someow another half to keep low over and ifyou don't have a great coach, a guy in thethet can kind of control the room,then that room will get squirrely on you real, quick and you know so I wasfor in Dallas. I had we had a lot of guys. You Know Chad Henny. I mean ChitHittings, not chat. Heney, Chad, Hennins, Greg, Yellos, Ebeneta drack, aBal like a Godike. Really, you know good model citizens, but we also hadAlamso Pelman Yeah whos. He was crazy. Maybe what you know Wenyeah right,that's Ta! Again: PODCAST demitres, Underwood guys that guys that you were like youdidn't know what you were going to get every day and it's credily med. You sit there nand you study film right, but it is it's a crazy and I heard stories aboutlike when Charles Haley was there with Dallas like the things that he would do.Geah. That's, probably not something that we should talk about over the airand and it's you know it's definitely adifferent room man. It's like no other. I mean I think the O line room issimilar, but a little bit more businesslike for lack of a better term.The deline room is lite. A gooddelying group is like a group of crazy people.I mean you kind of have to be there to play that official, yeah and Youd wantthem. SOM! Dude! You don't want your deline sub dude. You don't want to likecontroll. Almost you want Tom. Like an you know, an outgoing aggression whereoffensive lieman right, you can't move you can like. You have to wait for theSNAFP count. You can't adjust your stand. So there's there's a little bitof control that you have to have is an offensive live on compared to dline,yeah, Oh yeah and the lines are crazyy. Can you give us just one Barcelon N, a dragon story, though Iknow it could be a OL Ot, the podcast, but there's got to be some bit stuffout of ot of bars. Well, you know, there's NFL. Europe was a greatexperience and it was really cool O. I got Togo live in Europe for basically fourmonths at a time twice and- and we live in bar in this little town, south ofBarcelona, by Bo Ias about thirty minute trainer IA called Sichez. It'samazing beautiful right on the Mediterranean. Our hotel was on thecorner of kind of this main two roads and you walked out the front of thehotel and you live across the street and you were. You were in theMediterranean on a top Os beach with volleyballmats right, so kind of haveit and then you walked. Offyou walked across the you walked out the side ofthe hotel and you went throuh this slittle alley and you walke down ontothis like long kind of stretch, a road that was closed off as all pedestrian. There was all bars and restaurants, sohe had this sush like this amazing place, and I played for Jack Pick now.WHO's at Boston College with the dog, Fludy and Jack just wanted to play golfright, so we would be on the on the on the practice field by nine o'clock inthe morning, back at the hotel, by eleven and back on the beach five twelvthirty one o'clock, so Jack could play golf and, and it was and it looked Iwas I could have gone and been a professional volleyball player by theend of my time there, because that's all we did, we played beach volleyballand then we drink and those were the those were the only two things to dothere and it was a good tim. My D line coach was Sam clancy who's. A PITSAMSAM is one of my all tipe favorite people in the entire world rightthirteen yeagers in the NFL playe basketball pit. I think he's going intothe pill this year, yeah like as just amazing, Guy Right and sand, just hugedude right and we would go out and he would come out with us, and so we wouldgo out and we would try and get Sam really really drunk. So we wouldn'thave to wake up in the morning out meetings, and so I would be the guythat he would call so he call me like if meete started a sit at aid. He on mehe said: Hey nopes, call a boys, no...

...meat and just hang up right that was itScalleboe Man, he'r meeting just more n good job. You know I mean just get onthe Bos, so half the team will get on the bus hung over smell. Like Alho Imean it was just. It was a brewy right and you just drive the practice. NobodyJack didn't Hav. We didn't wear pads at all, so it's just how much it t shirtseverybody kind of sober up about halfway through practice. You go backto the hotel. You Lay on the beach and go back out and do it again and look Iplayed with some good duds man. Brian Fennerin was on one of my teams: Thearetop Bowman, who playe n the NFL for a while Lard Phillips rest in peace. Aheplayed with US one year I mean it was. It was an amazing experience, a coupleof them. You know you ow. I don't know how much of a family podcast is. IS WEWERE AN AMSTERDAM? There was a team in Amsterdam. Forty eight hours inAmsterdam is plenty, you know, and we decided we decided as a team that wewere going to do muchfes after the game, and so so thirty. Thirty, fiveAmericans. You know UNAMASS ONL, O us right, so we and literally like that'sall he bi talked about it wasn't even like the game. It's like! Oh, my God,it's Gon ta be so hoo, and so we go to inte tows, an Europe. Unlike the NFLyou get there the day before you'd have some free time and you and Jack wasreally cool because he wanted it to see your right. You want so we go, you knowwe go into town wherever it was, and so we go into Amsterdam and we go and find a smoke shop. You know marijuana'sLlegal therea, that's been forever and we find a place on wed, go by in justgiant bag and mushrooms and and then after its wil. We do in the next. Thenext day we get up. We go play. Amsterdam. I think we beat them. Idon't remember and then literally they would have beer for you right after thegame right like hi, nickets right or whatever you know H, you were, and soyou were Al, this big double decker, bosstol back the hotel everybody's got,you know five or six Hih Ikins in their in their lap and just pass out thesemushrooms man and the hole. Look. Thirty other T, thirty five Americans,I'd, probably say twenty two of us did it and we all ade these mushrooms andwe're drinking on the way back and then the Har. I remember, and we were outall night law and Jack's only rule was do not miss the Buston next morning.Right and so we literally we're out all might in Answertham wonder how laughdan I've, never lasghed ar O my entire life and I've got some good picturefrom that night, somehow o another, but so we literally get on this train. Sothe fthat we miss the last training right. So that's why we're there onthat wander round atsor! The next morning we kept the first train back towhere our hotel is, and it's literally, the twthousand and twenty five of USsprinting from the train station Co, the hotel as Jack and standing at thebus screaming ats right and we run in get our bags and the run back out andthe only thing that saved us. The twenty two of us that were not good, is,for some reason, the like one of the seven guys that didn't do the mushroomsoverslappe and he he was in his room and Jack, wasin there banging on the door and the rest of US got out unscathed. But butbig Gary got in trouble because he overslepp N and many look. Those arethe kind of things that you got to do over there. It was, it was a you know, an amazing life experience to go, spendthat much time over there in Europe and be allowed to see because we wouldseget like I said. Obviously we spent the night in the city after the game,so you got buddies, Tha playd, you know for the Rhyne fire and Ducaldorf, andhe sey you. Where are we going out and you go all go out and drink together?And I can imagine what the people there thought like when they saw like twentytwo, these massive football players coming er establishment therin likewhat the hell as going on Yeah Yeh. It was a good time I joke with Marykad. Ifthey'd have paid more in n FL Europe, we would be Spanish citizens right now.HRI really really enjoyd it yeah. So so you get done with your career. You hada great nine year career in the NFL dont with the redskins you got to makea transition. What was that like for you to leave the NFL and try to figureout what the hell of your next stepis going to be man? Well, you know Lik, like most ofus man, you know, leave the game, you don't ever leave when you think you'regoing to leave for me it ended. I was almost patient zero with the Mercaapademic that happened in the in the early twosands. I had a surgerycontracted Merca before people really knew what merce was it almost cost memy right leg and then and my life and then came back and played had anothermercy infection and then, after that surgery- and this is you know anothergood. You know kind of NFL story right. I go in for emergency surgery onThursday night for Mercyn, my left kme and my wife comes in on Friday morningand gives birth to our third child, we're both in the same hospital and andI've been. You know, I've got all the HASMATT suits in my room, she's Givengthey, thankfully they. Let me I told...

...the doctors at look. Man You're eithergoing to have to knock me out or let me go down in there, because I was therefor all my kids being bornd. I was like I'm going to be there or I'm going tobe unconscious. Those are your options and they let me go down an Wan and be apart of the FAT Buco. I I'm in a wheelchair there's. Some great picturesfrom when Jackson was born. Man Like I'm in a wheelchair, a like IVS in me,and I look terrible Mary Kats Yo know just gave birth and were like happycouple like Havpino time and Syou know: We've got three: We'vegot three babies now and a three hundred pound man that could die in anyminute. So it's it's like this, so so I do that and then I throw multipleembolisms into my lungs sere. I have the second, the second merthy infectionright, it'SI'm, laying in the hospital and and Guss. You know. Man Likefootball players, are kind of taught to be indestructible. Right like this willpass right. I thought I was having Bak spasses right and, and finally I coughup this like fist size, clot comes out of me and- and I can't walk anymorelike because I can't breathe like my lungs, the bottom quarter of each of mylungs were basically dat because I sat with them in my luncs forlike two days and I was taking Vikadin and muscle relaxers thinking it wouldjust go wat right and, and so they take me, the hospital I spend about sevendays in the hospital n. your kind of touching go for a little bit and andI'm laying there and the docoms AU he's Lik, Hey, look. You can't play football,an blood tenters and you're going to have to be on blok fie for a while. Sowe can cut your legs or we C go in and put screens in your veins or argories,whichever ones pop them back up. So you can play and I'v got my allright. You know I'm in the hospital might as well. What else do I got to dotoday and and Mary Kate happened to be in the room and Agaime, so I've got a Idon't now. Conner was probably three Gracie was two and Jackson was threeweeks old and Mary Ka was in the room and shew's like dot. He's done. That'show I retire like that. That was it like no press conference. No, nothing!Just that's it done. You know. I want him to be alive and Lik. It wasabsolutely the right decision, and so so for me like when I had areally I weird transition. It was because I was so jhacked up.healthwises like I didn't. Even I was more me about just living right. Am Igoing to be alive in six months and then then it was like. Oh, I am goingto be okay. Let's I think I had a different perspective because I washappy to be there. You know I mean so it wasn't like. I didn't. Have this big.Like I miss football moment, it was more like man, I'm alive, I'm happy everything's good! I got my kids wereHa. You know. I was good, I think it came a little bit later for me, I gotwhen I left and retired. I got right into college coach and Icoached college football for eight years and Sorto Wa when I got out ofcoaching in I ot, don't know four five years ago.That's when I transitioned out right, and that was the hardest part of that'skind of where I am right now, right as I've been bat on this kind of you knowat forty with a wife and three kids doing something that you know findingwhat the thing is next to do. Is it Chale Righ, because it's not likeyou're twenty two fresh out of college with no bilts right? It's like man, Igot a mortgage. I got kids that are going to be going to school. You knowMEA got. I got a lot of stuff going on and I'm trying to figure out who I amand it look to join the job market at for forty five, not a lot of people.Looking for people like me, you know I mean so it it's definitely been a childman. I mean. There's no doubt about yeah, that's the hardest thing is thatyou Tryi to figure out who you are coaching is a natural. I thinkave a lotof guys. Who've played the game, but then you realize like- and I've beendoing this for a long time you know. Do I really want to keep and extend myfootball going on. I think there's a lot of these things that we always wantto do and for me, Couchon High School is Great, but then it's like okay, I'mgetting twenty five. Forty kids, you know- and I just like okay- and I likedit, because I was doing it with my kids, and that was really the main reason Ilove coachy was to be around my boys to see them be athletic. Maybe I shouldn'thave said some of the things I said to them. When I get angry, but you knowyou know how it goes as a dad. We get kind of emotional but atot, but thenafter they left it was like E. I really want to be here, yeah yeah. It look forme like that's. Actually, the reason I got out of college coaching, my my lastjob was a temple and I was Yoiwas Doyou on football coach and making good money,and but I wasn't able to spend time with my family right. I was sleeping atthe office from Sunday to Thursday. I Mi marry Kate. Would literally pack mea lunch a four day long, so lik a giant pickic get te full of food right and-and it was in e point- my kids were all kind of in middle school and StartingHigh School Han. I was a Gooman. I don't want to miss this until I got out of it and I've actually,you know started ther God. I've done everything. Man, I've been in sales.I've been you know, I' was a license. FINANCEAL AVISOR! For a couple years Igot my serieus seven, my sear sixty six.

You know, I mean I've, got I've got ALO.You know I've done a lot in four years right W, I'm just trying to kind offigure out what it is. I really really love to do. I Sawt I startedbroadcasting games and the other thing kind of like you were just talkingabout Gossiss, I'm the defensive coordinator of Ho Local High School,because my son has been playing football there and I love it Tan beingon the football field of connor is one of the most rewarding things that I've ever been able to do and thencau ask him that D e May Not agree with you because Hema he has to live withdad and coach, but but Jackson, my youngest son, will be a freshman nextyear and then so I mean look at you know I would love to be able to havethe same experience with him that I've had with connor, because it is it's oneof those. You Know Coo go to college next year and you know Gos once they'reout the're out man, you know I mean and and ie really enjoyed it. So I'm inthis kind of Weird Spotman, where you know I did not like the real world, Idid not definitely did not like putting on a shooting tie every day. That wasnot a fun experience for me, and, and one of I wasn't really good at either.I wasn't really who I am so yeah just trying to you know it is it's achallenge to figure out what to do next. Yeah. And U you started your ownpodcast. I did pen state you want to get back to the community that gave youso much and and tell us a little bit about your podcast yeah. So so we'veactually gone man. We've got A it's called. The obligatory PSU pregame showan it took me about four years to be able to say obligatory, like Tho like Ijust did so pretty proud of myself and and we've really started. You know,we've got the small company called Blue White media, it's based up in statecollege and I kind of commute during the week and we got a TV show. We'vegot a podcast, we got a website called happy, vallycom and- and we just try dcover stat college right, and it is it'sloosely based around the football program, but there's so much more tohappy valley that I think that Pinn stators enjoy, and I think what we tryd to isgive thim a little bit of that dopomene a little bit of that an Ostalgia alittle bit of those those feelings that you get when you drive back into HappyValley, a you haven't been there in a while and look Hav, you Goy Hes, notthe easiest place to get to it's a lot of people once they leave, they veryrarely get back, and so one of the things that we've tried to do is kindof you know: let them do it for an hour or two hours. You know on the podcastor through the website, some confent that we create give him a little bit.Of that I mean th. We filmed snowfall right like we had a storm up there. Acouple years ago we went downtown and put put the camera down right in frontof kind of the Corner Room. We are one of these famous restaurants and staycollege, and just let it go for five. Ten minutes of the snow is falling downand that's some of the some of the the most biggest responses we've got hasbeen from just Dappinin, O just e Memor of being there, so you like filminginto Lindan or what we're filming at the first man so yeah,but my there's there's some beer being drunk from my show, my Bomca, who drathat you er carry Collins Hyou know I think that CC probably waits that one there's nodoubt about that. He was actually just back in town. You know for the twentyfifth anniversary, a Bhout, ninety fourteam, and I unfortunately couldn'tmake it because I was coaching but looked like a really really good timebut yeah. Now we do it at the first we've done it at chance. Datat we do toa different bar. We try to do it. A couple different locations around statecollege and again man it'. Just it's a little bit of that dope. I mean thatyou get when you see those places where you had such great memories on such agood time that you don't get to get back to very often right, yeah. I E. Iagree with that. Some of the best tail gating in the country, too, there's TemI'e only been to a few that stat games, but it was, it was offer chartunbelievable, it's a special place, so yeah T, I think that's what you need todo is take your podcast. It just like find a random RV and just say: Heywe're going to do our podcast out of your our feed. You know they're goingto be like Hil, yeah yeah. We've we've done a couple like that there those geta little loose Yo. You play a few games of flip cuff and do e conversation it's a little sidewit.At least it's not mushrooms exactly, but no the man like, I said we're. Youknow you try and find something that you love to do right, gus and andbecause football's such a big part of who you are and what done and if youlove to play, you don't ever find that again man and it's hard it's hard toreplace it. Unfortunately, you know a lot of tin a lot lote, you guss, youknow having a a great wife and a great family helps kind of you know ease theblow because you do have something that you love more than football e said liketo think and and but, but to replace that rightto replace, especially the Karaveri going to work and hanging out with theguys. You know it's really is hard to find. I think I found that blue whitemedia, like I said it's a bunch of Penn staters, a lot of common ouity thereand things that we like to do so so it...

...definitely helpd and look bat. I lovesteak collad. I love Happy Gall. I love being a pin state football player andthen so, if I can go up there and talk about that, that's what I'll do awesomeawesome all right. So our last part of the show we call it the no huddle andwe fire a bunch of questions at you and you know, give us your answers. So Davego ahead. I Brandon, what's your biggest pet peeve Ho being lake, I think I get that fromJoe Paturno. We were always ten to fifteen minutes early. I hate beinglitter all right. What's your favorite sports movie? Oh Man, a miracle! Oh that's! GOO! We haven't heard thatone! Yet! No that's I haven't. Even I haven't seen it but watch SOMIN. I knowit's ridiculous. A've, not a movie. I've! Never even seen he godfather. Soit's like yeah. It's embarrassed. It's embarrassing to talk about, but a I. Ifyou could trade places with one person for one day, anyone in the world itwould that be Guspero. No, you don't Wat that it'sjust looks just like your life. Why do you want to do that? IAVE dog? I have awife. I have kids exactly. I would know exactly what theSA Oh yeah, maybe we should start a new shou ther. We g husband swap exact all right, so let's get off the husband,waping yeah as fast as possible, allright. What's the most overratedthing in sports today, quarterbacks wow he's really on me today. Yeah yeah, but you know so I'm not Gon Gontogo there because you know there's like three on a team but there's like fortyfivt Limon, so they're just replaceable. Yes, all right! So if you would go backto that kid, that was moving all over the country right and that was having ahard time with er me. What would the one thing you'd want to go back andtell thim o man, I think, try to figure out how to enjoy it right,enjoy the Ryde enjoy the experience. I think that's the thing that I learnedfrom all that right is, as I look at at nows is one of what an amazing first,forty five years that I've had you know I've met so many people. I've lived allover the country and seen so many things. I don't think you always enjoyit when you, you definitely don't enjoy it when you're going through it atfourteen years old right. But but it's such an amazing experience. I thinkthat woull be it I mein being able to just suman, have a good enjoy rightrelish. You know Soakit in Aright grandy. If we're going to go throughyour phone who's been this famous person. Who'd find, I can't say, Gus forod on this. Onecan't answer him for every question: Yeah. No! I can't probably playMatthews Nice Nice. I like that one all right who would play you in a moviepo Ha Tom Armol have no idea, Mani. Think Ha, I thinkyou're doing yourself, Om, IH, Servicei, don't know I've. I don't know I'm kindof looking at myself right now. I have no idea see. I don't see that many movie, so Idon't know like the the one Guy Mi kids talkng about like leam Hanswo. Is hekind of like yeah? No, like stat gotting AOI've got littl Awar foryeahyocplay fhave, a couple people say fanos from the avengers. I kind of looklike that, but not purple, so Buo Aitte Purple Right now, yeah, I havwell it'sa little hot here, all right last question for you, final score of the pit pen state game.This weekend, good question, I'm going to say forty five to twenty one pennstate. I think it's a good football game. I think tha the pict comes outand plays a lot of emotion. It's. The last meeting is the hundredth meeting,which is amazing, and it's also the last woe man. So I think it's I thinkit's going to be nasty in the first halk. I do think eventually Penn statekind of out athletes Om, but at the end of the day, man, I think the first halfis going to be an absolute battle and a really good football game. But fortyfive, twenty one PENC Tay Godare, you gonna, be up there for the game. Now we play the downy townes cougersplay the Westchester East Vikings on on Saturday night. This week, Salbe coachGe go coogers, go co, O CS Hey! We want to thank you for Joiing US Today onHutdl up with Guss, where we talked to a wide range of guests about how sportsshape to life. As always, I'm joined by my great friend and Cohouse Dave Hager,and we want you to be able to follow us on all of our social media at huddle upwith Gus. And we really appreciate you...

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