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Bob Kendrick

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Joining me in the Huddle is the President of the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum, Bob Kendrick. Bob is the man to listen to if you love baseball and its history. Bob's appointment in 2011 marked a celebrated return to the NLBM. The NLBM is the world's only museum dedicated to preserving and celebrating the rich history of African-American baseball and its profound impact on the social advancement of America.

Bob became the museum's first Director of Marketing in 1998. He was named Vice President of Marketing in 2009 before accepting the post as Executive Director of the National Sports Center for the Disabled-Kansas City. Before his departure, Bob's leadership helped secure more than $15 million in financial support for the NLBM and widespread national acclaim. Kendrick is now responsible for the Museum's day-to-day operations and for developing and implementing strategies to advance the mission of the NLBM.

Bob began his association with the NLBM as a volunteer during his 10-year newspaper career with The Kansas City Star as a senior copywriter for The Star's Promotions Department.

While he doesn't fashion himself to be a historian, Bob has become one of the leading authorities on the topic of Negro Leagues Baseball history and its connection to issues relating to sports, race and diversity. He has been a contributing writer for "Ebony Magazine" and the National Urban League's "Opportunity Magazine."

His volunteer roots in the Kansas City community are deep and passionate. He has served on the boards of various Kansas City-area non-profit organizations and has worked with Kansas City youth for more than 20 years. He remains active in the community and spends a great deal of time in Kansas City classrooms giving motivational talks to area students and sharing the illustrious history of Negro Leagues Baseball with nearly 100 schools, social and civic groups annually.

In 2006, the Greater Kansas City Black Chamber of Commerce awarded him the Mary Lona Diversity Award. He was named "Citizen of the Year" by the Omicron Xi Chapter of the Omega Psi Phi Fraternity. In 2009, The Kansas City Globe named Kendrick to the papers' list of "100 Most Influential African-Americans in Greater Kansas City."

A native of Crawfordville, Ga., Kendrick received a basketball scholarship to attend Park College (Parkville, Mo.) in 1980, where he earned a B.A. degree in Communications Arts in 1985. 

Hey everyone, Welcome to another episode of huddle up with Gus, I'm your host, former NFL quarterback Gus Frerotte and welcome to the new 16 31 digital new studio. You know, some people say no news is good news. Well I say to those people you've never read. 16 31 digital news dot com. Go to 16 31 digital news dot com to get your latest news, sports, music and entertainment and maybe even listen to your favorite podcast. Follow up with gusts. Check it out today at www. 16 31 digital news dot com. Welcome to what surely will be a doozy of a matchup brian here. Sports fans, whether your game is on the gridiron at the diamond or on the links, we can only say, yeah, welcome to this week's huddle up with gusts. 15 year NFL quarterback Gus parents, passion for sports has taken him on the field and behind the bench is playing for seven NFL franchises with 114 TVs under his belt. Gus knows who the players are and how the games are. One. Uh, it's not every day you get to hang out with an NFL quarterback up. Okay, sports fans from the decked out and plush 16 31 digital studios, it's kick off time, so snap your chin straps on and get ready to huddle up with us two left. Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of huddle up with Gusts. I'm your host, Gus Frerotte, 15 year NFL quarterback. As you know, I played for many, many teams in the NFL uh seven to be exact. So that's a lot. I want to thank 16 31 digital news and their studio for having us. And also um sounder dot FM for for having us on their platform and especially want to thank Manscaped uh, for for joining us becoming a partner, you can go to Manscaped dot com and you can use my code Gus Frerotte, all capitals. That's F R E E R O T T E. And you can save 20 on any manscaped products. Just remember when you go to man scape, they also donate a portion of whatever they sell for testicular cancer. So go to support landscape. It's helping all of us guys that I have a really good friend who had that and he survived. So I really want to support that. So thank you man escaped. And uh, today we have two guests with us, which we haven't had in a while, so I'm really excited. We have uh, my co host back, uh, Marnie Schneider who we've had on the show many times. She's written many books, um, football Freddie and fumble the dog as we know those, those books I think marty, you just told me that you just finished, uh, one for Dallas Fort Worth area or you? Re named it? I did. Well, we, you know, we've updated it a little bit, so it's game day in Dallas and Fort Worth. So we're really excited about that, added in some really great hotspots in the Fort Worth area and of course, lots of history and then uh, game day in Tampa Bay will be out in the very near future probably within the next 6-8 weeks. So I'm really excited about it will be a big Super Bowl trophy on top of that one. Right? I can see fumble just like sleeping right beside it. So yeah, but you know, actually, they probably weigh about the same amount because the Super Bowl trophy, the Lombardy only weighs £7 but the whole story goes, it takes an entire team, an entire city, an entire community to lift it up. Yeah. And if if all of our guests aren't short, Marnie's grandfather was letter toes who owned the philadelphia eagles. Her mom was one of the, you know women who broke the glass ceiling, as we say, was the first GM in the NFL. So her mom has done so many great things and I'm so excited to have marty on and today we have one of marty's good friends on joining us. Today is bob Kendrick, bob, Kendrick is the president of the negro League Baseball Museum. I don't know how many years you've been there bob because I think you were there for a while, you left and you came back. But I am so excited to talk to you a little bit about old school baseball. I collect old vintage baseball cards, so it's right up my alley. How are you doing today, bob? Because I'm doing great man. Thanks so much for having me on the show money. It's great to see you as well. It's good to be with both of you. Yeah, thank you bob. So, you know the show is really simple. We want to ask you bob. I know you grew up in, I think it was crawford Georgia, right. Crawfordville Georgia. Crawfordville Georgia. So tell me about growing up there. And what when's the first memory you have of how you fell in love with sports? Was it because of a relative? Or did you have an idol? What was that moment for you? It started early. I'm the youngest of six boys. And so all of my brothers were involved in sports. My father loved sports. So it I think inherently it came down to me, You know, even though the brother that's closest...

...to me is 10 years older than I am, I got to still watch them engaged and involved with sportscenter seemingly was some kind of sports equipment going back to as early as I can remember. 45 years old, shooting hoops on a bicycle rim or in this case also, there was an old as they would call it, a large can in the country that was nailed to the side of a wood framed house are old wood framed house that I would shoot basketball before I even ever had my first real basketball or basketball goal. And so, but you know, the same thing, you made up your little equipment growing up and you made up your games and everything else. But sports have always been a prevalent part of my childhood and interesting enough now sports history makes up so much of my life today. Oh, it does. And I think that, I mean I've watched several interviews that you've done with people and it's been amazing the knowledge you have that just rolls off your tongue and the history of the game of baseball and uh, the negro leagues. It's been amazing. And I love to watch all that history and all the videos that you guys have created there, so marty tell me a little bit about how, you know, bob and how you guys met. So I was doing some work with minor league baseball and helping them kind of build a program to get kids in different communities to enjoy the game of baseball. Obviously being a professional baseball player or something that is a big long shot, but getting the opportunity to go to games and experience, that was something that really excited me. And then once I figured like if they had a little taste of going to a game and enjoying it at the minor league level, maybe they'd want to play it because I love when kids place for it and it's always fun. And so I had the opportunity to reach out to bob and he was so gracious and said, okay, this is something that I love what you're doing. And here in Kansas city we've got, you know, a great minor, great minor league teams and a great museum and bob and I had started putting together some of the infrastructure to bring kids from underserved communities to Kansas city to experience what in my mind and I know what bob is building there in Kansas city, one of the great historical pieces of our country. And so while we didn't get to bring the kids there yet, we're still working on that part of it. I love hearing bob stories and he is a historian, whether it's male female. You know I've been you know doing some research also like on female baseball players in the negro leagues and it's so interesting and you know bob is such a gracious guy that I'm like oh bob tell me about maybe Anderson or tell me that it was like oh she's the best and you know I would probably keep him on the phone for hours and hours and he's got a lot of people to take care of. So uh you know bringing kids and having them experience the museum that bob was put together in Kansas city is something really exciting for me and I know that bob loves to be the host of this beautiful facility that he has right there in Kansas city and his shared with me a lot of the growth they've had. So I am lucky that between Major league Baseball and minor league Baseball that bob and I came together, Yeah, we'll have to get a fumble. The dog baseball book going, I think that would, that would be great. So, so bob, you mentioned the dog will be named bunt, not fumble. Yeah. Right, right. I like that, I like that. Uh so bob, you know, you talk about playing basketball and the old hoops like you were talking about, you know, just using a bicycle rim for that. I mean a lot of people have done that, I've seen that growing up, but we also played many other sports. My dad worked at a mill called PPG here in Pittsburgh and he used to bring just broom sticks home and felt and we would cut, we'd cut balls out of felt and that's what we used to play with a lot. Um, so tell me about your experience in all the sports that you played growing up well, primarily because we tried to play everything that was in season, and my town Crawfordville, keeping my Crawfordville within, as we say, the city limits was only 500 people, so it's a very small town. And so my high school only offered basketball and tracking field. And so anybody who knows me knows that I don't believe in running just for the sake of running if there's not a ball in ball, I don't want to have any part of, uh, you know, I gravitated to playing basketball, but as a kid, whatever was in season, we played baseball, football, basketball. You know, we even tried to mimic and create our own version of golf, even though we had no golf course and no nothing, no golf clubs or anything, but you just try to emulate what you have seen and...

...over basketball was really how I ended up getting to Kansas city and so I was playing, I ended up playing a couple of small year, couple of, a couple of years of small college basketball here at Park College now part university, N A N A I level basketball, how in the world they found me in Crawfordville Georgia, I will never know, but they did ended up coming out to the midwest, but you know, again as a kid, you just wanted to play everything that was in season and we tried to emulate everybody that we saw playing the game, you know when I played baseball, I was Henry Aaron, that's who I want to be, I want your swing, is that your swing? You try to emulate? I tried to emulate the swing, I tried to emulate everything I wanted to run like Henry Aaron and you know Henry Aaron was my all time favorite major league baseball player, my childhood idol as a kid growing up in Crawfordville Georgia and uh and still to this day, the only person that I've ever been star struck around and, and and gus that's with the understanding that we've had. American presidents visit this museum. First ladies of these United States of America visit this museum, other dignitaries like general Colin Powell and a plethora of great athletes and entertainers and as are often times say with no disrespect to any of them, they are not Henry Aaron in the eyes, minds and hearts of this kid from Crawfordville Georgia and so every time I was around Henry Aaron, I was reduced it at almost 12 year old kid who circled the basis in his parents living room. When Henry Aaron hit record home run 7, 15, Almost 12 years old. And when he hit home runs 7, 15, 80 miles away in Atlanta's Fulton County Stadium as he's touching them all, I'm touching them all in my parents living room, so my mother had an old couch that was first base, her old tv with second base, she had another old couch that was third base and whole recliner was home plate and so I'm touching them all, jumping for joy and then I get to meet my childhood idol and you know, sometimes when we meet those who we idolize from a farm, they don't always live up to our lofty expectations. But with Henry Aaron, he far exceeded anything that this little kid, this little country kid from Georgia could have ever imagined. And and every time I was around him, you know, from day that I gave you had the opportunity to tour him through this museum And from that point on subsequently, every time I was around him, I was always reduced to that nearly 12 year old kid Who circle the bases when he hit record home run 7, 15. Yeah, I couldn't I couldn't imagine that. I think that would be incredible. Um you know, for me growing up here in Pittsburgh, I I loved Willie Stargell, Yeah, you know, and that was my left handed swing. My right handed swing was always trying to be Clementi, that was my dad's favorite. And then um you know, it's just, you know, just to my first interview I ever did for a podcast was Roberto Clementi junior, and you know, and he and I have been friends since then, and just and we talked about this on the show. Sometimes people want him to be his dad right? Where he's not himself because he has the name and everything, so that's really tough for him and I felt like that too right, Like man, this is a guy that just like my whole family watched in love, but that's not you, that's your Junior, right? You're a whole different person, so, but I understand how you can feel like, because even when I met terry Bradshaw, that was my idol, because I was a Steelers fan, right? And when he came and I was playing for Washington and he interviewed me. I don't even remember the interview, I was just staring at, right, because that was like my idol. So I I completely get that and and everything I've heard about, Henry Aaron has just been incredible. Just he was amazing guys and a lot of people did not know that his career began in the negro v. Yeah, I started in Negro Leagues in 1952 when he left mobile Alabama, he was a skinny cross handed hitting shortstop. So in the case of Henry Aaron, he was a right hand hitter who was hitting with his left hand on top. Yeah, that as you know is unorthodox. Yeah, yeah. The fear is that you would break your wrist hitting in that manner. Well, Henry Aaron is knocking the cover after baseball in a highly unorthodox fast and so when he gets to the clowns, they put the right hand on top, they didn't really want to tinker with this kid swing, but they put the right hand on top and the rest as they say is history,...

...is history there after discovered by the boston braves who would become the Milwaukee Braves, who of course would become the Atlanta braves. But it all began in 1952 When this little skinny kid, he couldn't have weighed 150 lb. Leaving mobile Alabama to go join the Indianapolis clowns. and less than four months later he was gone. Here we go, embarking on what turned out to be a Hall of Fame, caliber major league career. He would become one of the greatest players in baseball history and truthfully in a game of numbers. And as you both know, our sport is a game of numbers. No 1's numbers are better than Henry Aaron. He's got records that I don't think we'll ever be broken. I don't think it's total based record will ever be broken and it is highly unlikely that R. B. I. Record will ever be broken. And so he was an amazing pillar of consistency in what he did in this game. And of course, he carried himself in such a manner that he would after this game become a civil rights icon of a man therapist, an astute businessman and someone who was always out on the front line of trying to create civil rights for those who might have been marginalized in this country. His place moves well beyond baseball history. You know, his place moves into a level of humanitarianism that very few of us can even relate to. So he will always hold a special place in my heart. I love hearing you talk about him bob. I mean, it gave me goose bumps because, you know, all the minutia of Mr Erin's life and what motivated him, and it's so beautiful to, you know, here you share his story and he unfortunately is not with us anymore to do so, but you're such a great uh voice for him to carry on his legacy And that is so beautiful and that's why sports really is the universal language because he did transcend just being an athlete. He transcended so many things about giving back and truly making a difference and so thank you for being able to pick up the, literally pick up the ball and run with it, you know, you know, I'll never forget guys, I took him on that tour of 1999. Baseball, Major League Baseball is celebrating the 25th anniversary of Mr Aaron, breaking route, Babe Ruth's record and really guys, that was a record that really no one thought would ever be approached And certainly not by a black man in the deep south. And and so it is sad to say that it took him literally 25 years later before he finally was able to exhale and celebrate what many thought was the most prestigious sports accomplishment of all time. And that was the passing of Babe Ruth's record because it was such a tumultuous time for help. This is 1974 and erin's family is in hiding. You know, he doesn't know if he's gonna make it around the basis when his home run 7 15 off. My good friend Al Downing, who was a great picture, you're a great picture. Everybody will remember him for giving up home runs 7 15, you know what picture out through, You know, I'm trying to remember if it was a fastball that I think got up a little bit more than Al wanted it to and mr Erin's wrist was just so quick, you know, we're talking about we're probably talking about the strongest and quickest risk this game has ever seen. And he would always say I never looked for a fastball because I didn't think anybody could get one body. You know, you know, I think about like just all these wonderful people that played the game, all these guys now, they're all data and analytics guys, right? The launch point, launch angle and all this. Like can you imagine going back in the day and seeing all those guys from the fifties, sixties, seventies, just what all this data, I don't know if they can go back and look at it all but I think it would have been over processing for them. It really would, you know uh they had a very simple philosophy. See the ball hit the ball hard somewhere, you know? That's it. I don't think I don't really think Mr Aaron considered himself a home run hitter, he just wanted to hit the ball hard someplace And it just happened to go over the Wall 755 times, you know? But I don't think he looked at himself as a home run hitter. And so I'm sure there's this this science to the way that they played it. But when you start talking about launch angle and exit velocity and all these things that we talk about now and that stuff doesn't matter to...

...them. You just wanted to see that ball and hit it hard somewhere and I think that's what really drove them, but they weren't trying to swing up on the ball the way guys swing up on the ball today. That's why I think you see so many strikeouts in our game because they're trying to help it up. I think these guys are trying to the bottom of the ball and get that backspin on the ball. And it would you know, whether whether people don't believe or not that the ball will rise, I think we've all seen that ball rise when it squared up, right? It does rise, I guess. So after you go to park college or university, whatever it's called now, I can't remember what you said, but tell us about your journey to get to the museum after college, to where you are now. Tell me about that journey a little bit. It's an improbable journey. It really is. I graduated from Park University in 1985 and my first job out of school was with the Kansas City, start the daily newspaper here. And so at that point in time I was trying to make a decision on whether I wanted to be a writer on the editorial side or if I was, I was also tinkering with whether or not I wanted to try to move in to broadcast. And so my first job is at the Kansas City star. And so I just wanted to get my foot in the door somewhere. And so I started in the composing room actually putting the newspaper together, eventually moved over into the Stars promotions department, which function as its in house advertising agency. And there there I became to see your copywriter, the promotions department. And I drew the assignment of promoting the negro league Baseball museums first ever traveling exhibition, an exhibition called Discovered Greatness and Gus. That exhibit is still touring the country to this day. That was 1993. It is that the Yogi Bera Museum right now and it was playing to rave reviews before the bearer museum had to shut its doors because of the pandemic. But that was my first introduction to the negro leagues Baseball museum. And I remember as part of trying to get a little back information about the history of the museum, history of the league so that we can put this campaign together. I remember coming down to the museum for the first time and this at this point the museum was in a little one room office and I remember going in and the late Don Motley who was the executive director when this thing first started. And I said well I'm looking for Mr martin. He said I'm mr Motley and said, well I'm looking for the negro leagues Baseball Museum. He says, son, you're standing in it. It was it was a room by a fraction of the size of my office and it has some pictures on the wall and that was the negro leagues museum down the storefront space. We had created this traveling exhibition And the campaign was really successful. We drew some 10,000 people here to historic 18th and buying where the museum operates. And at that time there was nothing at 18th and buying, it was one of those urban areas that had died 10,000 people in the month of August of 1993 to see this exhibition. And I think then The officials here really felt like, Okay, we do have something special here. And that's what prompted them to ask me if I would join the board of directors and I did so in a volunteer volunteer role. So my involvement started as a volunteer in 1993. And now some years later here, I am trying to lead this organization, Uh, an organization that I've been involved with now for 28 years. And so it became an instant passion for me. It really did I tell you this story? Yeah. It's a great story. It's a great story. So, tell me about our our people sending you, uh, memorabilia objects all the time letters. I mean, those things like even the Clementine Museum is always getting, you know, they're always getting artifacts coming in and it's a museum and you have to treat it like a museum. Museum quality. So, how, what are you doing to preserve that history? Yeah, I tell you, I wish gus we have started this museum 25, 30 years before we did, because we have a whole lot more stuff. Yeah, I do. And I would say that 95 of the items that are on display here at the museum in our gallery space, It was all donated. Yeah, 95 of those items were donated by the players and or their families. And so we do get people who come across items and they'll call and say, do you have any interest in this? And the answer is always yes because there is no insignificant piece for us. There's always a story behind the story and it's our job to bring...

...those stories to the forefront. And so it's only been over the last decade that we've actually started to try and go out there and occasionally compete to bring memorabilia home because they're collecting business as you well know man, that is a high dollar business and probably collectors have really kind of controlled these rare artifacts that do surface from time to time. As I tell people all the time, we've almost become our own worst enemy. The more we popularize the story, we're driving up the price of these are to the point that we can't compete to go get them. Yeah, no, I hear you. And so sometimes you have to ask those people if they're willing to donate it and just, hey, it's still yours, but display it in our museum. Exactly, exactly. So you have to be creative and finding these avenues to bring these pieces home and tell those stories and I can tell you, we've gotten things in some of the most improbable ways. One of my favorite memories of getting an item, there was a guy here demolishing a home in Kansas city and in the process of demolishing this old house, he broke a mirror mirror on the wall, mirror falls and he breaks the mirror. Well on the whole, the mirror was back with an original Kansas city monarch game day poster, wow. And so the, the young man gets the poster and he brings it down to me and says, do you have any interest in this? So oh man, we love to have it. And so he donated it to the museum. Now you both know that it is always been believed. If you break a mirror, that's seven years, bad luck, I don't know. I guess what happened to the young man that gave us, suppose I hope nothing bad happened to him, but it was certainly good luck for us. Yeah, those are the great stories of where people are, you know, going back to where they grew up, you know, their mom never changed their house. I mean I have my favorite card I have as a Roberto Clementi rookie card and a gentleman who was an attorney in Nashville Tennessee. I went to dinner with them and he said, hey, I want to give you this. And he gave me an envelope and had the card in it and I'm like, I opened it up and he knew him from Pittsburgh and I'm a huge pirate fan, and he said, I want you to have this. And he said, I can't take this card from you, like this is like, he goes, no, I went home, My mom passed away and I went to my bedroom where she hadn't been back there in like 25 years, he said, and everything was exactly the same, and he said, I wonder if my cards are still in the shoebox and all his cards were still in a shoebox in the closet, she never touched a thing, and he said, I want you to have this. And I said, are you sure? And he said, yes, I want you to have it. So I was like, that's like my greatest gift I've ever gotten, it's amazing, I'm sure that's how you feel all the time when you get those eyes so that I can think about all those cars that I added, I put in the spikes of my bicycle. You probably had some Henry Ayers. I know that you like, which had those now. That's what's so great about sports. Is that like a little piece of paper can bring so many memories and remind you of such beautiful times and fun times. So, you know, to think about just I, you know, have my son stuff right here just to be like, just doing this action of throwing a ball into a glove and then all the stuff that happens when you do that. It really is magic. I mean, obviously we all have, you know, ended weird. I, I grew up in philadelphia and at the time the eagles and the Phillies shared the stadium. So you know, I'm a daughter of a single working mother and yeah, her office happened to be at the vet. So in the dog days of summer when there's no football going on, I was hungry and I, you know, wander over to the Phillies side and they would take me in. And that's how I learned to love baseball by watching, having a coca cola and a hot dog and watching tug McGraw and Mike Schmidt and you know, bob boom throw a baseball around. And it just it just simple things like that. It really amazing. No, they are and that sports in general, but baseball in particular, it's the romantic nature of baseball. It leads us to measure times in our lives perhaps more so than any of the other sports. You know, that's the beauty and magic of baseball. You know, people remember the places and you remember going to your first baseball game and typically whoever your favorite baseball player was as a kid, they're going to be your favorite baseball player the rest of your life, You know, that's baseball, you know, And I think the negro leagues is part...

...of that lord and that romanticism as people are now learning about these leagues, you know, they didn't know. But as my mother would say, you don't know what, you don't know. And so it's our job to bring this history to the forefront so that people get an opportunity to know about these legendary athletes who just love playing this game. Yeah. Hey everyone, uh, sorry guys. No, no, I'm gonna take a quick break. Hey everyone, I'm gonna thank you for listening to up with Gus, we're talking with bob Kendrick, the president of the NEgro League Baseball Museum. We're gonna take a quick break, we'll be right back. Hey, how come up with us listeners? Manscaped. Well, they sent me, uh, they hooked me up with a bunch of tools and formulations for their package three point oh Kit. Uh, so, you know, I want to show you guys what's in the perfect package, right? We all think we got a perfect package, but they sent me the perfect package, three point oh kid, I want to show you what they sent me. So it was crazy. It came in this great box. Uh, you know, and you can see what it says. They will thank you because they sent us this awesome trimmer. They sent us, uh, you know, stuff that makes you smell better. And then, you know, they sent me this great, uh, some boxers, even what you get right, protect them. And then, uh, you know, they sent me this cool sack, I guess you want to call it to store all your stuff in. So, uh, it's been great. Manscaped sent me a bunch of product. Um, you know, and you know, you can see it all on here. Uh, you know, you can go to Manscaped dot com and put in the code. Uh, Gus Frerotte, that's G U S F R E R O T T E. Get 20% off and free shipping when you use that code. But you can get a kit, you can get individual items like, uh, this way cool rumor that has a little LED light, um, ceramic. These things come apart. They're waterproof. You can do a lot with them. So, you know, Manscaped is great. You know, it's funny, I remember when I was playing with the Denver broncos and I'm not going to mention any names, but there was a gentleman who was playing on our team and you know, if you ever hears the story, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. But uh, he brought his own clippers in one time and he used to trim his beard up, his goatee and everything and he had him there for about two or three weeks and he goes in around the corner, he walks in and there's a person, another player that is actually manscaping with his beard trimmer. So, you know, one of the things is, you don't want to use the same trimmer down there that you use up here. So uh, he kind of freaked out a little bit and he said, hey, how long have you been using that tool there? And he said, well showed up here about three weeks ago and I've been using it ever since. So, you know, there was a lesson learned that, you know, don't leave things out and probably if it would have just said manscaped on it, we wouldn't have had that issue, but it's probably one of the funniest, uh, taking care of your ball stories I've ever heard, or been around in the locker room in the NFL, so, uh, it's a great story. Um, but you know, I always said there was no way to know, there's no name on it and the guy was just using it and another guy was using, it was not good, but it's a heck of a funny story. So one of the best I've ever heard my 15 years playing in the league, um, but you know, there's so many great things about manscaped and what they're doing, because guys, you got to take care of yourself even though I got great hair um and getting older, but you still have to maintain some sort of grooming, right? And so uh you know, we all work out for me. I like working in my yard doing those things now that I'm retired. Get a little sweat on and everything. You want to smell good. Uh you know, you got to take care of yourself, They've got some great products. Um you know, this one, a little uh all deodorant, We'll need that here and there. Um after, you know, working the yard, taking a hike, doing a walk, whatever you do. Um It's a great thing. But uh there's so many great products. Um I want to thank Manscaped for sending them to me. Um The lawnmower 3.0. Obviously you can use it anywhere in your body, but I'm sure you guys have all seen the commercials, but this is one just letting you know that the lawnmower three point oh comes with the perfect kit. You can buy the lawnmower by itself by all these products...

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...wonderful story of triumph in conquest and it's all based on one small, simple principle. You won't let me play with you and I just create a league of my own. Yeah, I love that. Like a little flower, you know that I love the lotus flower because it really does bloom through all this, like, it's hard to, you know, lotus really has resilience, and then it blooms through the swamp, the boggs of whatever, and then you have this gorgeous flower show, like, well, how did that happen? Well, you know, I just wanted to, it really had a mission to be part of something and again, created its own roots and its own legacy and then bloomed and I'm so, I was so excited, you know, to share with, to share you with guts because I know you're the truly the gatekeeper of a part of history that about, I'm so excited that Gus is a Pittsburgh guy, We're talking about your city. Oh yeah, I'm getting ready to ask you, but give me the history lesson on the Pittsburgh Crawfords, Oh, man in your city guys, we're talking had as much black baseball history as any. And it goes back even prior to the Crawfords, to the legendary Homestead Grays, there's right down the road from Pittsburgh, The homestead grays came into existence in 1950 1915 through a guy named Cumberland posey and Cumberland Posey is a name that people probably don't know, but should know because Cumberland posey holds the distinction of being in two sports, major sports halls of fame, Common and Posey might have been the best basketball player in this country At one point in time, and he is in the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield and he's also in the National Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown. And he builds that Homestead Grays team into one of the greatest baseball franchises, not in black baseball history, but in baseball history. And then Gus Greenlee creates the Pittsburgh, Crawfords and you almost had damn near a civil war there in Pittsburgh, between those two storied franchises and man, they were going after each other and Gus Greenlee had a lot of money and you know Cumberland posey had come into money and they were taking each other's players back and forth, so they were jumping ship and but the fan base in Pittsburgh, they were getting to see some of the best baseball ever played and the star power, We're talking sheer star power. That was there in Pittsburgh Black baseball history, when you start talking about between both teams, josh, Gibson, smokin joe, Williams, cool, papa bell satchel, paige buck Leonard, you know, Willie Foster ted double duty Ratcliffe, I mean the names of mega stars, who called that Pittsburgh area home at one point in time and then the hill, the hill was jumping. Yeah, Oh yeah, yeah, how the hell was jumping And so yeah so Pittsburgh plays such a prevalent role in this story and while the Crawfords were short lived they didn't have a long didn't have a long shelf life. The Homestead Grays would become one of the greatest baseball franchises. Again not in black baseball history but in baseball history. one at 1.19 consecutive Pendants, Negro League World Series. And then they would eventually lead the Pittsburgh area and and relocate to D. C. Another one of your one of your other stopping grounds. And so they were playing at Griffith Stadium in Washington D. C. And they were out drawing the Washington Senators filling up the ballpark. Yeah they were filling up the ballpark. But yeah your neck of the woods man has always seen great black baseball of course you had the Pittsburgh courier there which was essentially the african American usa today it was a Pittsburgh based paper, but it was a national paper that really brought this to life, you know, and it was special. That whole scene was tremendously special. Yeah, I know that they're bringing back to Crawford Grill, which is a big jazz club in the Hill District and I know uh franco Harris is part of that, you know, there's a lot of people august Wilson grew up in in the Hill, you know, there's so many, there's so much rich history that Pittsburgh is realizing...

...that we have to do more to save this history and I work right there. Uh, sometimes I'll go down there to a building, it's an old school um and they turn it into an energy innovation center, which is right in the Hill district and a lot of, lot of incredible people went to school there. But uh yeah, the Hill District is incredible. The history of Pittsburgh baseball, I love it. And I just wish that we could get some more history going back here in Pittsburgh right now because our history is slowing down. I tell you that at the Pirates been bold enough to try and bring all of this star power that they had right there in their backyard into the major leagues, Who knows how the pending on the power would have shifted. But the timing wasn't right for man. They had a lot of talent right there in their backyard. You know, 1931, homestead grays is debatable, but was likely the greatest baseball team of all time. They would have very easily rivaled The 1927 New York Yankees. You had a 19 year old Josh Gibson playing for them at that time. And Oscar charleston and Willie Foster and smoking joe Williams. And you know, they had five Hall of Famers on that team in 31. And satchel was with them. The great satchel paige was there, but he only played a couple of games. He jumped ship because he was having contract contract squad. Yeah, yeah, No. And so satchel jumped ship. But man, that was a dynamite team. The negro leagues also weren't just for african americans, right? There were there were people from the Dominican from cuba from Puerto rico, right? They were all over, you know, gus they opened their doors to anybody who can play. The only criteria that the negro leagues had was can you play? That's all that matters if you can play, you can play. So it opened its doors to spanish speaking athletes. It opened its doors to women. Yeah. So it doesn't matter what color you were and it didn't matter what gender you were, as long as you can play and you got something to offer. Yeah. You know the one video I watched the story that I loved was like a lot of the people that you talk with josh Gibson, satchel paige um you know, hank Aaron, Jackie Robinson, all these guys we've heard about them, but the one I loved when I watched the video from the museum was the um, what was the name from cuba martin? Did he go? Yes, yes. I don't want to name is also called the Homestead Grays home at one point in time as well. Really have the great bartender. He go nicknamed el maestro, the master because you can do it all played all nine positions, played all nine of them. Well guys, he is the only baseball player in the history of our sport To be enshrined into five different countries. Baseball halls of fame. He's in the mexican, Cuban, Venezuelan Dominican and in Cooperstown, an extraordinarily talented baseball player. Uh, he, his arm was compared to Roberto clemente, you know, so he, he was a very, he's six ft 36 ft four gust with movie star, good looks, you know, everything, everything that you needed to be a star. And, and, and and, and again, the versatility there were, there were likely never be a player who was as versatile and great as martin Diego was. And so even pinpoint which position he was better at. It's very difficult to do because he did everything well. Yeah, he was an extraordinarily gifted and talented athletes who here at the museum, we have these life size statues of negro league greats. Well, he's the batter here at the museum. And as you can well imagine whenever I get the young major leaguers who are from CUBA in particular, they come in and they see their fellow countrymen. That was part of this story. Yeah, it's just that story as well, you know, so yeah, if you are a spanish speaking athlete and play this game, this is your story. You don't play this game, had it not been for the players who called in the Rolex home. That is awesome. Really, It's incredible. I know bob you have such a, when you talk about obviously, you know, there's that expression when you love what you do, it's not work. I mean you are the shining example of that because hearing you talk about and educate us and I love hearing about different athletes that you know, really paved the way for others. But listening to...

...you share their story, they really, you know, you're definitely uh in the right place because you light up the room when you talk about how, you know, I can't even think about playing, you know, nine different positions and being in that it's just how, I mean, how they were so talented and how they had such confidence to be like, like when I think about professional athletes these days, it's like they do, they have one thing that they can do really well, but back in the old days you had to do, I guess because it was you were under such, there was so much adversity that you had to do everything really well, which is kind of a great life lesson. Like do everything really well, don't just do one thing well, do everything really well. Yeah, and what the negro leagues gave them was a place where they could showcase this immense talent, you know, they needed a place, a place where they can express themselves and put this talent on full display and that's what the negro leagues gave them. And so it gave the best black and Hispanic players an opportunity to do just that showcase their world class baseball abilities. But the negro leagues have white players that played in this league as well. And so you know, but again, if you were good enough as a white player, you're gonna play in the major leagues. But there were a handful of white players who did indeed played in the negro leagues, so they really did not care what color you were. And there's something, there's an underlying message even within their mindset, from the standpoint that they refuse to treat others the way they had been treated, it would be easy for them to shine, anybody who was an american born black away from their league and then be in that same mean spirit that propelled and govern so much in our country during that era of Jim Crow. But they just refused to succumb to that notion. And and that's why to me the, I always say that the story of the negro leagues embodies the american spirit. Unlike any story in the annals of american history. So yeah, it was America that was trying to prevent them from sharing in the joys of her so called national pastime. But it was the american spirit that allowed them to persevere and prevailed. So bob, we talked about the players, tell us how the coaching happened, right? Because we know that some great coaches can really influence players to become better. Tell us about some of the great coaches that were part of the negro leaks. Oh yeah, it's a masterful baseball minds. You know, I mentioned Cumberland posey uh, there with the Homestead Grays, you had guys like Andrew rube Foster who is a brilliant now route Foster would start the negro leagues. He formed the negro leagues here in Kansas city, literally a stone's throw from my office right around the corner from where my office is the parcel Y. M. C. A. That's where they met to start the negro leagues in 1920. But Ruth Foster did everything. Great route. Foster had been a great player. Group Foster would organize the negro leagues. He owned the Chicago american giants and he managed the Chicago american giants and Gus as a manager, Ruth Foster was known to find his ball players as much as $5 in the early 1900s. Now, if you were tagged outstanding up. Yeah, you were supposed to slide and and Mani rude would draw a circle down the first base line and a circle down the third base line and if every one of his players couldn't drop a bunt inside that circle he would find them. He was adamant about the style of play that became signal to a negro leagues baseball fast aggressive daring, they bump their way on, they still second, they still third. And if you weren't too smart they were still in home and fans were flocking to see this style of play because it was polar opposite to the way that the game was being played in the major leagues. The major leagues were a base to base kind of game, so I don't base you move them over to second and then the big hitters came up and drove a man cattle away. The game is played today but not in the negro leagues. The pace of the game was so much faster, it actually held your attention. Or as my friend, the late great buck O'Neil would say you couldn't go to the concession stand because you might miss something that you ain't never seen before. And they had these masterful minds who were teaching this game and I mentioned rube Foster, ci taylor buck o Neil, you know, ted double duty, Radcliffe buster, Hayward, all these guys who...

...have the opportunity been there, they would have been great managers in the major leagues, they just were never given the opportunity. And so the kind of athlete, the style in which they played the game, it was special, It really was. And fans black and white flocked to those games and they would be dressed up. Oh God oh well is incredibly well dressed guy. And you know on the, you put on the ladies put on their beautiful silk blouses and the men have their suits and just the presentation of it is so spectacular that it's really the place to be when you, you know, but it was the social event of the week. It really was there because there was nothing recreational about the game. It was the social event of the week. And then you have to remember that oftentimes we were leaving church going to the gate because the negro League games were played on Sundays, primarily because the major leaguers didn't really play on Sundays. And so the negro league would rip the ball park play that sunday doubleheader. And we left church as they would say, dressed to the nines. Yeah, no, no, they everybody was there looking pretty. And you wanted to be part of the show you went to see and you went to be seen. Yeah, I love that. I love that. And you know, one thing I wanted to ask you to is is tell us about the innovations that have come out of the negro leaders. I think I saw a read an article or I watched a video on that as well as that. There are so many innovations that we still have in baseball today that came out of the negro leagues. Yeah. And they never really would give him credit for. So when we start to talk about advent such as the batting helmet, shin guards, offensive players like the button run, hit and run. These things all came out of the negro leagues. But perhaps the most significant innovation that came out of the negro leagues. Night baseball. They were playing night games in the negro leagues five years before they ever played a night game in the major leagues. Now, our history book is going to tell us that the first professional night baseball game 1935 Crossley Field, Cincinnati, Ohio Cincinnati, Reds versus the philadelphia Phillies. Well, the history book is wrong. The First Professional Night Baseball Game 1930 and it featured our very own Kansas city monarchs. J. L. Wilkinson, who owned the monarchs, literally mortgaged everything. He had to pioneer night baseball portable generated like towers. So not only could they play a night game here, guns, they can load them up on the truck and play a night game virtually anywhere. And truth of the matter is, guys, Wilkie wasn't doing this for survival. He wasn't doing this to be innovative. He was doing it for survival. Again, I mentioned more times than not. Negro league games were relegated to playing on Sundays and so he was looking for a way to get the working class fan into the ballpark night baseball became the answer night baseball became bigger. Then those sunday game. Now sunday gays were so popular that black churches would move their service time up an hour. Now if you know anything about the black church you don't mess with. Yeah, that's not easy to do. Oh no, no, no. 11 o'clock sunday go to meeting. But when the Crawfords or grazed or monarchs were at home, Sunday service, we start at 10:00 and everybody filed out going to that Sunday doubleheader night baseball was even bigger than that. And see Wilkinson in 1929. Got a $50,000 loan. That's a lot and $50,000. Pretty good money now. But $50,000 in 1929. And it's still hard for me to believe that Wilkie walked into a banker's office with a, yeah, he had a model truck at a sketch of this flatbed, uh, portable lighting system and said, I'm gonna take night baseball all over the country. And some banker said, That's a good idea. Here is $50,000. Well, he makes his investment back In Year one. How popular night baseball was, you know, doing the study has always been ahead of its time when I was a young girl and we would go to Arrowhead. I was always amazed. I mean, yes, the Eagles were playing at Veterans Stadium, which is a little...

...dated I guess at the time. But going to Kansas City, there were so many things that were well ahead of its well ahead of the curve and certainly technology, obviously that's really does kind of represent some of the things that I had seen even at the stadium when I was a young person and and witnessing what was going on there with technology. So it's really fascinating. All right. I want to hear about charley pride because you know, you know, I wanted, I had this, this, which we're still going to do, bob, this vision of without being, you know, my throat slit by goose Gossage of recreating, take me out to the ballgame and doing it as a fundraiser and you know, having charley pride singing. So now I'll have to figure out what is next. But baseball, you know, singing was his backup plan. I mean, he really wanted to be a major league baseball there. He was, he did. And you know, another piece of my heart is missing after the passing of our different, the late great country Western music, singer charley pride and, and marty. A lot of people did not know that charley pride played in illegally as a matter right guys, charlie was a pretty good picture in the negro leagues who made his way into the new york Yankees organization before he hurt his arm. And it was after he hurt his arm That he did indeed fall back on a pioneering country Western music career some 72 million albums. So later. And I tell people all the time, we should all have a fallback career might stop. Yeah, that's a great fallback career. Amazing fallback career. And they say, guys, he used to be in the back of the bus picking is good to us singing with this Twain and all the players are like, will you shut up there? Like what is that? That's great. I love that. I'm waiting to see that movie, right. That movie needs to come up. And I am really surprised it hasn't happened because when he breaks into country music, they're really one in the black folks in country music and they do it because what he was doing in that even I mean that's I want, I don't know for sure, but I would imagine that the confidence of doing something so unique, you know, athletically then said, well, if I can do that, I mean, you know, why not? I honestly believe that charlie product could have seen anything beautiful voice. He couldn't say anything and he gravitated to country music. But when he breaks into the country music world, they would not put his photograph on the album cover because they didn't want the fan base to know that he was black. And it will be later on that they really sprang it on him that, that he was black. And he says, when he went to the Grand Old Opera for the first time and he walks out on stage and hear somebody say, well, he sounds like us, but he looks like them. Oh man, wow. I mean, but that's kind of like the negro leagues, right? They just said, all right, you're not gonna let us join, you were gonna go do our own thing. And charlie said, I'm going to just do what I gotta do it because he loved it gus and then doing their own thing, they changed the way the game was played, they changed the game and then eventually, because of the perseverance and the stick to itiveness that they demonstrated, they ultimately helped change our country for the better. And that's why this story is so compelling and so are inspiring for so many who are introduced to it. Just because the thing about baseball, which I love, and I love listening to baseball, you know, in the car, you know, just listening to it because again, hearing the ball when you know when there's a home run happening, you could hear the ball, you know, hit the bat and you're like, oh, it's such a great sound. So it doesn't really it doesn't matter who's doing it or how it's happened with that sound just brings such auditory pleasure. I mean if you're on the side of the team that you know, one otherwise. No, so it's really fun to listen to baseball is such a great thing. You know, you can't football is much more, I like to listen to football and here the announcers talk about what's going on with baseball, you can really hear what's going on without having to see it. I still know people who will watch a game on tv and listen to it on radio, they'll turn the sound down on the tv and listen to it on radio. You know, because that radio announcer, I don't care whether it's what sport it is that radio announcer has away of making you feel like you were there, I would say all the radio announcers, some of them listen to some bad ones and you're like going on, I can't understand one thing. Right? So, so bob if you had to go watch a movie that kind of told the...

...story about um you know, because Hollywood is has such a big appeal to everyone. Everybody was love to watch movies. Is there a movie or a documentary or something that you love to watch? That really kind of kind of brings some of that history into it and says, you know, this this gives us a taste of what the negro leagues were like and sad to say that really has not been a movie per se that has been done. That gives an accurate depiction of the negro leagues. So I lean to the documentaries, my favorite documentaries, one call there was always sun shining someplace and this predates ken Burns is epic baseball documentary, where he encapsulates some of that story of the negro leagues. As a matter of fact, that is, it was through ken's documentary on baseball that the great buckle Neil burst international startup. You know, after being a big star in the negro leagues guns, he becomes an even bigger star after his, his role, compelling role in narrating and kim Burns documentary on the history of baseball, where one of the innings was called Shadow Ball. And of course Buck makes appearances throughout the celebrated masterpiece that ken Burns produced. But Shadow Ball was primarily about the history of the negro leagues. And then you, you had at that time an 82 year old buck o'Neil telling these wonderful stories about baseball too, baseball fans that they've never heard before. And gus, he did it with a twinkle in his eye And a smile that lit up the screen. And America fell in love with buck as I met him. He was 82 years old at that time and God bless him to live another 12 years where he was literally gallivanting across this country, preaching the gospel of the negro leagues and the virtues of his museum to any and everybody who would listen. And so that documentary and then the one that I mentioned, there was always sun shining, someplace are the two that I always recommend. Um, but there was always sun shining. Someplace had negro leaguers in it who had long passed by the time ken gets around to doing his documentary. Now there are a couple of films, bingo, long traveling all stars and Motor Kings, which started an amazing, you know, an amazing black cast that had the late, great comedic genius, Richard Pryor, Billy Dee Williams and James, Earl jones as the principal characters. And it's loosely based on the negro leagues, a film called Soul of the Game, which was an HBO film. But that film creates a fictionalized relationship between satchel paige, Jackie Robinson and josh Gibson. And of course it was brilliantly acted though. Delroy lindo, who is one of the most underrated actors in, in the industry, plays satchel paige blair Underwood plays Jackie Robinson and Mykelti Williamson is josh Gibson and they all do an extraordinary job in becoming those legendary stars from the negro leagues and bob. Aren't you working on a book? Isn't that what i isn't that what I think is next up? You know, we've been pitching this idea about the book and we've been pitching tv series and and then I'm following in gusts footsteps. We just lost my new podcast called Black Diamonds in partnership with Sirius XM Radio. And, and so I've signed up to do 20 episodes stories of the negro leagues and so God knows, I don't know how I'm gonna find time to do that in the middle of everything else that we got going on. But it's a tremendous opportunity and a great platform, you know, just as it is to sit here and chat with you guys, because you are going to introduce the negro leagues and this museum to some people who probably have never heard of it. Yeah, no, that's great. And please tell us and all of our fans how they can follow you where they can go online to to find out more about the museum and follow what you're doing. Yeah. No, absolutely. Please. You can learn more about the negro leagues Baseball museum and we certainly hope that you will support the museum by logging on to www dot N L B M dot com. There's all kinds of information about what's going on at the museum. You can become a member of the museum are online gift store if you want some gear representing the negro leagues is all there at N L B M dot com. You can follow me on twitter at NLB impress pr easy and instagram under the same user name and I you know, I'm...

...learning I'm learning marty. I came into this whole social media thing kicking and screaming, but I'm learning to you. I also want to tell you bob that we know a great producer that can help you with your podcast if you need it. All right, we got to we have a super producer on our team. So uh so brian is is wonderful if you need some help with that, that he is awesome. But hey, I really appreciate this, this Uh you spending the time with us taking the time out of your busy schedule and I hope that everything gets back to normal with you after 2020 because it was a hard year on all of us and I know is especially hard on a lot of museums because that's probably the thing that you miss the most is the live people coming in and seeing all the great artifacts and items that you have in there. Yeah, we, you know, it was a challenging time. Gus, there's no doubt we shut down March 14 of last year, but we were able to reopen in three months later and so slowly but surely we've started to see people return to the museum and I think there's a renewed spirit and a renewed hope. We just use the museum over the last several weeks as a covid vaccination clinic. We vaccinated over 2000 people in this museum and it was important for us to do that kind of outreach and to utilize this facility and particularly in this community that we operate in to make sure that we can find ways to keep people healthy and safe and empower them to do so. But people are coming back to the museum again. Uh We're excited About this year and picking up where we left off with the 100th anniversary celebration. Well, thank you bob. Thank you marty, my co host. I appreciate you both of you joining me today on huddle up with Gus. It was amazing having you both on. Thank you so much. Thank you. Pleasant. So great to see you monty. Great to see you as well. And I hope as things continue to open up we'll see you both here in Kansas city very soon, bob. Absolutely. Well, I know I know that you're going to have a new member of your museum because I'm gonna get on there and I gotta get some cool t shirts because I know I love the way all those old, all the vintage t shirts that you guys create, they're they're just amazing and please stick around for after the show, everyone. I want to thank you for joining us on another episode of huddle Up, huddle up with gusts, join us at huddle up with disgust dot com and you can find all our previous episodes. Thanks to 16 31 Digital news. Thank you to sounder F. M. And I also want to tell you, please go to Manscaped dot com and check out my, my code Gus Frerotte all caps, you get 20% off and you can get free shipping on any items they have uh they have the great lawnmower, all those things to help you. Uh so please go there and check it out and get some cool stuff but we appreciate bob joining us and monte. Thank you so much for coming back on and I'm sure we'll be seeing you in the near future. So everyone, thanks for joining us on huddle up with us and have a great week and that's a wrap sports. Thanks for joining in the fun 31 digital studios for another to huddle up with GUS featuring 15 year NFL quarterback Gus, Frerotte, huddle up with Gus is probably produced by 16 31 digital media and is available at the music.

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