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Bill Cartwright

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Joining me in the Huddle this week is 5-time NBA Champion Bill Cartwright. Bill was drafted by the Knicks and then traded to the Chicago Bulls and finished his career with the Seattle Supersonics. He attended Elk Grove High School in Elk Grove, California and played college basketball at the University of San Francisco.

Check out his Bio by the NBA: https://www.nba.com/bulls/history/life-and-times-mr-bill 

Check out Bill's Podcast: https://anchor.fm/bill-cartwright 

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Hey everyone, Welcome to anotherepisode of huddle up with Gus, I'm your host, former NFL quarterback GusFrerotte and welcome to the new 16 31 digital new studio. You know, somepeople say no news is good news. Well I say to those people you've never read.16 31 digital news dot com. Go to 16 31 digital news dot com to get your latestnews, sports, music and entertainment and maybe even listen to your favoritepodcast. Follow up with gusts. Check it out today at www. 16 31 digital newsdot com. Welcome to what surely will be a doozyof a matchup brian here. Sports fans, whether your game is on the gridiron atthe diamond or on the links, we can only say, yeah, welcome to this week's huddle upwith gusts. 15 year NFL quarterback Gus parents, passion for sports has takenhim on the field and behind the bench is playing for seven NFL franchiseswith 114 TVs under his belt. Gus knows who the players are and how the gamesare. One. Uh, it's not every day you get to hang out with an NFL quarterbackup. Okay, sports fans from the decked out and plush 16 31 digital studios,it's kick off time, so snap your chin straps on and get ready to huddle upwith us two left. Yeah. Hey everyone, welcome back tohuddle up with gusts. I'm your host, Gus Frerotte. Uh you know, I want tothank everyone. Um that helps him with the show. Terry ian brian, Thank youagain so much for that. I want to thank 16 31 digital news in their studio forhelp me out. I want to thank Sounder FM for housing me on their platform andalso want to thank Manscaped. Go to Manscaped dot com. Put in my code GusFrerotte by some autumn by some awesome stuff and you get 20% off and freeshipping. Today we're talking with Bill Cartwright, you started where youreally started growing but I was always taller, taller thanyou know the normal kid. Like let's say for example when I was in the sixthgrade, I remember this perfectly because I was six ft song so it justkind of grew couple of inches pretty much every year. Did you have a lot ofissues with that? Because I grew from like 8th to 9th grade, I grew like sixand my knees. I had uh I guess they call Oscar slaughter like where yourknees and your joints, we're growing so fast and those tendons weren't keepingup. Did you have some of those issues? I probably did but I was running prettypretty good. So I always thought I did a great job of kind of ignoring it,ignoring that because I just love to go. So I was a lot of fun. Um You have alot of. Yeah. Yeah that that would be great. Uh that you know um to gothrough high school and to be 71, what is it like? Like what is the hardestpart about being that tall in high school? Uh for me and this is why not thinkabout this uh for me, I'm normal and you're not. Sothat's my fun, it's like I'm not really that tall, but everybody else is notnormal, so this is my norm, So so your sister'stall, my sister taller. I said rain somewhere between 5, 10 and 62. Butthink about this, you know when you're...

...or anything by school, there's alwayssome other kids were tall. Um And there's always taller kids somewhere,so I was just taller than some of the taller kids, but uh you're you'realways going to find somebody who's who's gonna talk, so you had to be kindof intimidating if you're on a pitching mound being that tall. Uh Yeah, lateron, and it's kind of funny because I really love baseball and I wanted toplay. And then I can remember this guy, Dennis forenza, who is the same age asman, He ended up playing minor league baseball. This dude had like a 400 fthome run. And I can remember standing there looking at that. They can, well,I guess it's basketball Premier can never in a million years to do that.Right? Right. So when you see real talent, uh you know, you see it, youknow it and you know, it's time to place basketball. Yeah, that's kind ofhow it was with basketball, right? Like I I loved it. I played it all the timeevery summer and then just realized like, oh, that guy could jump betterthan me. That guy can shoot better than me. I'm gonna stick with footballbecause I could throw it harder than anyone else. Exactly, exactly. And youknow, fortunately, you know, when I was in high school we had a great, I had agreat coach, I had great teammates, we had a really tall team and another guyon my team terrace offer who was 68 We had our forwards were 6, 4 colleaguethe Bill man and our point guard was Uh six months. Also, we really had acollege team and perhaps uh Sophomore. I think we lost five games when I was ajunior. We were 30, you know, and unfortunately those guys graduated. Isee you're here. But uh, we were still able to, little elk, grove California,think about this one in Northern California Championship. Um that year, my senior year before Iwent to us set up, so which was almost like a Hoosier time story because well,how big was your high school? How many kids did you graduate with high school?I'm thinking maybe it seemed big. Um what about 2500 kids? Maybe 3000kids? You're acting like it's a little town. Like my high school, I graduatedwith 100 kids. Like if we had, I was the tallest kid in the school at 64 youknow, and you guys have two guys that are over six, eight. Yeah, but yougotta remember at that point in time, that area was not only represented uh,the Grove area, but it represented South Sacramento. So there was rightnow, you know, there's probably At least 30 high schools that representthat area. So it was, it was a big area and represented by just one high school.So then you go on, what was the recruiting process for you? Like inhigh school? I mean you're tall guy, you've won state championship, you'redoing really well, You end up going to santa USF, but I'm sure you've hadopportunities to go to other colleges. What was that process like for you? What was great? It was probably likeyou, I got a lot of letters, there was letters and uh um, you know, I startedgetting, there was a lot of them when I...

...was in junior. Uh, the guy read one ofthem. Um, but I really wanted to go to school in California. Um, I did after her felt they visit me fromNotre dame. Oh yeah not not you shell and you never wanted to go to U. C. L.A. I did I didn't want to go to U. C. L. A. But U. C. L. A. At this weird thingthat they did start freshman and I was I was not really digging thatI was thinking you know that I'm getting like almost 40 a game and I'dlike an opportunity to start. Yeah so basically it was known. So uh then Ithought about going to S. C. Right and there was a you know you have yourofficial visit where kids walking around school and tell you how great itis. Well the three guys I had said don't go to school care our coachescarol. It's never a good thing. What a recruiting process. So after that uhpeople that I really wanted to go to was was USF USF and he had a traditionof great basketball tradition kind of quietly, uh They had won the conference,which was the W. C A C. Now, the WCC Uh finished 1st and 2nd since 1949. Soafter being able to see that and why is it that for the time? Eric Birdstone,uh kevin, rastani Phil smith, we're all playing at these, these are guys thatwe headed to the NBA. I was like, wow, these guys, these guys are good. So I ended up going to US self, whichwas which was awesome. Great school close to my dad, er visits. It was it was a perfect scenario for me.I'm going to school now. Were you the where are you in the age group of yourfamily? Are you the youngest, the middle or the oldest for all yoursiblings? Well, six sisters are, I don't know if that's good or bad but arandom metal right in the middle so so I knew then that that's a goal that's alittle wind so you just better get out of the house quick, I'm gonna get outof the way. So I read somewhere that you married your high school sweetheart,is that right? Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's incredibleeither she's a little crazier. I am. I think it's her. Well I was thinkingmore like your sister's really liked her and you're like okay. Yeah theylike I'm not gonna get in trouble here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah that too. But uh she'sshe's been able to put up with me for For 41 years, Wow, it's awesome. Yeah.Yeah. So you know I got lucky that way too. So when you go to you USF did she,what did she do? Especially with the school of Fresno? Okay, you gave hergive her a period of time to get away and focus on what she wanted to do.Yeah, I was I was focused on being a student and playing basketball, allthat stuff, so it was great. So you're at USF you're having a good careerthere, you're getting to the time where the draft is coming up, How do theywork? You know, because the NFL they have the combine and you know, theyhave pro days and things like that. What do they do in the NBA to go andlike see you guys. I mean, I've watched...

...some of it on, you know, league passand all that, but kind of explain that to me how you look at it because you'vebeen both the player and you've been the coach, well uh that kind of mything and really confused me because, uh, the NBA they do they do scout andthey do put people on you if they're curious about you to kind of watch you.So, um, you know, our scouts, especially when we were in Chicago,they were great, they spent a lot of time with them, a lot of detail. Theygo to the games uh, now at the end of the season, before the draft, you havean opportunity to work guys out. Yeah. So if I can work out three prospects,it doesn't take you a long time to figure out this room. Yeah. You put itthrough a couple of drugs, you test them physically contest their characterafterwards, you get the interview and it's really revealing to find out whoguys really are. So it's not that tricky. So, you know, uh, collegecombines, um, I think it just gives you anopportunity to see those kids, not the first year kids, but the second to yourkids to give you an opportunity to find out they are in a competitive situation.Yeah, that's true. Because you got to think about like um if you go toAlabama compared to you know, Alabama state and you're looking at thelinebacker from each school, how are you going to compare them playing onfilm? Right? So you have to do something else to compare them. Sothat's why they put them through all these drills that go on at the combine.Um But in the NBA I would say like for you, how how many years were you incollege? You there three years or four, four years? That was that's like ananomaly. Yeah. I mean a couple of my teammates,James Hardie were born as they left early. Um You know we had guys likeBill, Willoughby and Gerald on because they left their way possible and lefther away. And believe me, every single person outside of maybe magic who leftits software year. Yeah, you're you're just not ready to play because justphysically to be able to adapt the players and uh do you think they should change thatrule? Do you think that like if you go to college you should at least be therethree years? No, I think one year and you're gonna find out who you are now.Uh It's just a different beast right now. But I think you need at least ayear Is at least be 19 years old. Yeah. Now I'm not a believer that and the 19 year old is gonna help pilotand team to a Championship, right? But I do think that physically at 19 brutestrength wise, you're you're ready, physically able to hail it, but there'sno way you're gonna walk in and be able to um play unless you're somebodyextraordinarily special. Uh Like magic, even Birdman when he came out. Birdmanuh was a year older than us, we were just a draft. So Now you got got 22years old, that's uh that's that's that's a pretty big difference. So uhand I think they're able to see it and now with Zion who's now he's been inthe league two years, right? Uh he's...

...got a new boy pick in the draft, It'sgonna take a couple of years to figure it out. So now that you're 20 and 21 when you're supposed to be graduated,now you're ready to play. Yeah, so So tell me about, Okay now you're probably22, you get drafted, You go to, you go from California san Francisco, which iskind of a big town. Obviously san Francisco is a beautiful city. But thenyou go to new york, what was actually like for you? Becausethat had to be a big, I mean I went from, I mean I grew up in Pittsburghand I think it's, people think it's like midwest went too tall son, thenwent to Washington D. C, which was all of a sudden in front of all the mediaand the press and had to be similar for you. Mhm Yeah, it's buildings now youwalk used to wide open plains. Exactly. I'm from El Grove and I got myman look at this place, wow, this is crazy. But, but then when it came downto it physically I was ready to go, I was raised, I was ready for the contact.Uh, you know, offensively I was ready to go.I could score on anybody. Defensively I was pretty sucky. I couldn't guardanymore. I don't think that's true. No, that's what I play for the next. So tobe able to learn how to play, I think about it. Who was in the league then?Uh, my first game was against Darryl Dawkins. Uh, yeah, bob. And there wasin the league. Jackson was in the league. Dave counts in the leagueartist, grandma was in the leg. They had some beast. Yeah, Green rolling in.Uh, he killed me the first couple of times I played against him. So, uh, allthose guys were established guys and they were all different and it takesyou a while to learn how to guard them because it's not like we had, you hadany help that you're on your own. Yeah, probably not like you had the film towatch all them either. I mean you do but back in the day, I mean it wasn'tlike watching from you could put all the clips together of when hey when hedoes the spin move, here's what I'll do. You know? Or when he faces you up,here's what he likes to do. Like they put all that stuff your film guys cangive you that right on your ipad now. Yeah, there was no film. There was notoo well. How did you just figure it out? Like you just said, did you takemental notes when you would play somebody? Yeah you won or you would uhum there were veterans on the team that can help you out and I can rememberwhen I started. Jack Sikma killed me first time playing against them. Histeammate was marvel Webster. It was my teammate to tell you, hey look, let'ssay you guard this guy and guys like Truck Robinson who was showing how touse my farm and get the guys opposition and uh, don't, don't let the guys inthe baby. And so your friends as opposed to the coaches a tape, theywere teaching you more than anything else. It was, it was great. But it tooka while you get to take a couple of butt kickings learn a lesson, huh? Andeven in that even if you knew what they were going to do, uh, you know, you canstill Gardel, but he's not. Here comes most belong who you know, is thequickest jumper in basketball history. You learn to just block block him outbecause he's likely to miss his first shot. But he was so fast he beat youback up on the second child and uh you...

...just have to learn how to play againstdifferent guys. Uh there was a bunch of guys who just really, really good andit had their old style. Did you have anybody when you were a rookie comingin? Like that kind of gave you? Yeah. Some thoughts like, hey Bill, this iswhat you need to be doing, here's how you need to work. Like did you have aveteran that kind of sat you down? I had some people like that when I waswith Washington, uh Darryl Greene did that with me, a couple other guys,which I really appreciate it. Did you have like coming in as a rookie? I meanyou were still, you know incredible in college, you were number one draft pick,but still your rookie, you know what I mean? Like there's there, did you havesomebody that, that was kind of like your mentor when you came in, wow. Well,the guy who was going to be my mentor was Barbara Webster, but marvel monster,right? First year he got sick, he got sick, which, which allowed me to play aton of minutes, but, but he wasn't around a lot. So, uh, no, I was reallythat first year really on my own to kind of figure everything out myself. And we had a young team, we had, um,you know, I think we had five rookies on that tape. Yeah. Uh, so it was, andwe had some crazy guys with Michael Ray Richards said, Ray Williams and ourveterans on the team were guys like josie, berry weather and uh, Tobynights and uh, Glenn Ghana Zack and you know, the cool figures at my firstcoach was Red Holzman write and read. Just believe that, you know, you justgot to play it. You got to learn, he believed mentioned the meth and youknow, he gave us and gave me an opportunity to just play and, and, and,and learn. So, uh, it was good. It was great to learn that good and bad. Hewas going to leave you out there. So yeah, I would, I would think it'spretty good like that. You play that many games right? In the NFL we have 16.We Gotta wait a whole week. If you have a bad game. You know, if you didn'tfeel like you had a great game or even if you had a good game, you had to waita whole week to go back out and do it again in basketball. It would be like,okay, I'm going out even though I didn't have the success. I wanted to goout and try again the next night or two nights away, Right? Yeah, yeah. Basketball is good, goodand bad because, you know, and at that point in time itwas uh basketball was still kind of involving. So we didn't stay in thebest hotels, we didn't have the best facilities. Uh You were pretty muchunder wrong. I mean it's not liking us now where you've got trainers, we hadone trainer That was about six jobs, so you're responsible for your ownequipment. I can remember we got our road uniform, it was ours. So that roaduniform, you had a game. If you had a back to back games on the road, we haveto wash that beautiful about in the sink. You gotta do yourself, yes,responsible for everything. So uh oh man, I can just see some guys notwashing it at all saying, yeah, I'm gonna be nobody's guarding me tonight.Exactly, exactly. So uh it was, it was a different time. There was no charterflights, it was all commercial. Uh So you're pretty much exhausted. A lot,just uh I can imagine. Yeah, and you...

...take care of yourselves to where uh youknow, if you? Re injured, you know, your training was strap you up. Youknow, there was a lot of ice and a lot of, a lot of ice, but do you have tokill your own hot tub and cold tub up? You if you wanted to do that, like, thetrainers weren't doing any of that stuff. I remember like even when I camein, they were they would still be like, oh yeah, you want a cold tub, just putsome ice on it and go fill it up. Exactly. I mean that was that was 1980so you were you were pretty much going around. Uh It's probably not we're notas smart as the guys now. The guys now if they're hurt does they'll be likeI'm not playing I'm hurt us. Not too smart you know? Yeah you were hurt. Ohit would just strap you up but just keep on your feet right I get you abigger neat race. Exactly. Put a back brace song. You're you're fine,everything's fine. Yeah. Then you can go sleep in a bed in a hotel thatdoesn't fit. You Don't pitch and you've got to get up at 6:00 AM and make thatnext flight. Oh man that's brutal. I bet there's nothing worse than a smallbed. How did you deal with that? I guess you just get used to it right.Yeah you get used to it, but you were so tired of that. And also it wasfighting. Anyway. Look, we were in the NBA where young, You're young, you'rein your twenties, you can do pretty much anything. You're, you're an ironMan. Nothing is going to bother you. You just, you just know you want toplay. Yeah, I'll be here. I want to play. I got a big challenge this nightand hopefully I'm not gonna let anybody down. I'm just going to bring my besteffort and, uh, and just see what happens, right? Hey, everyone, thanksfor joining me and I'll go up with us. We were talking to Bill Cartwright, uh,you know, Three time player champion, right? And two time coach champions orfive rings. Amazing. But we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. Mm. Yeah. You know, hey, head off with gusts listenersManscaped. They sent me, uh, they hooked me up with a bunch of tools andformulations for their package three point oh kit. Uh, so, you know, I wantto show you guys what's in the perfect package, Right? We all think we got aperfect package, but they sent me the perfect package three point okay. And Iwant to show you what they sent me. So it was crazy. It came in this great box.Uh, you know, uh, and you can see what it says. They will thank you becausethey sent us this awesome trimmer. They sent us, uh, you know, stuff that makesyou smell better. And then, you know, they sent me this great, uh, someboxers, you what you get right, protect them. And then, uh, you know, they sentme this cool sack, I guess you want to call it to store all your stuff in. Souh it's been great. Manscaped sent me a bunch of products. Um you know, and youknow, you can see it all on here. Uh you know, you can go to Manscaped dotcom and put in the code. Uh Gus Frerotte, that's G U S F R E R O T T E.Get 20% off and free shipping when you use that code. But you can get a kit,you can get individual items like uh this way cool groomer that has a littleled light um ceramic. These things come apart, they're waterproof, you can do alot with them. So you know, Manscaped is great. You know, it's funny, Iremember when I was playing with the Denver broncos and I'm not going tomention any names, but there was a...

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Yeah. Uh huh. Uh We want to get back into yourconversation about when you were in the NBA you were with the knicks. Now we'regoing on to your next step, You get traded. What was that like for you umwhere you get traded from one team to another? Uh Did they talk to you aboutit or was it something that just happened? Well, it's been nine years in new york.Uh, as you would suspect, I knew that I was not going to get traded. So my wifeand I decided, you know what, we're just going to go to Hawaii and justkinda hang out there for a little while. Uh, I got to have a vacation. So rightwhen we landed in Hawaii got a phone call from the Cross. Uh, we want you tocome to Chicago Chicago. Yeah, we just traded for you, wow, wow. That's uh,that's not good. Want me to come right now I'm in a way. So he says, yeah, soflew, flew to Chicago stand at the knickerbocker hotel in Chicago, whichwas funny. Yeah, member jerry was very enthusiastic. Uh, you know, in my timein new york was great. I really enjoyed it. I learned a lot instead of a greatfoundation, but in the nine years I was in new york, I had four coaches. Yeah,that's hard. What's up? Red Holzman can be brown and I agreed to have a greatguy with uh, Kill and the last coach rick Pitino at that point in time, theyhad young guys, we got a patch of killing, they got more Jackson kidwalker. Uh, it was rebuilding there. So for the first time in my life I was aplayer that much that year was like, it was like going to the spy game. Yeah,it's like I'm going to go work out and I'm gonna go home and then work outbefore the game and not playing like, wow, people really do this, This islike a joke, getting treated, having an opportunity to play again andplay again on a really good team. Uh, our corn is already there with Michael,Arbib Horace Grant who was going to play down. So it's okay left, got readyfor me. John paxson was already there. So it was a great, uh, it was a greatstart. Um, it was hard because that was, they had to go to that point time. Uh,so they were running additional offenses after doug laptop felt tookover. Um, uh, which activated text winner was activated our triangleoffense, which activated charlie bach. Yeah, defensive scheme. So thefoundation of our team was really set after, after my second year. So okay.Uh, it took us two years to overcome the dreaded Detroit pistons right and,and kind of grow up. Uh, and then from there we're off tothe races and what I really want to mention is that the guy who set thetable for all this and we talked about before with jerry. Krause basically gotevery single person on the team with the exception of Michael Jordan uh, andGod is here and that's coaches as well. Jerry first hire was neck sweater andAlvear meal. Who's the always true...

...thing to basically coach to um, Coatand be a gym in three sports and football, Baseball and basketball. Well,uh, really seven jerry. Uh, I felt those in the D League.Yeah. Um, so he got everybody there. Got a bench, will be there. Armstrong.This is a game. Uh, scott Williams global. Every seven guys like Greg Hodges. I mean, yeah,I've got guys that he was able to bring in uh, to make us a champion. So, um, Ijust felt like I was really fortunate, blessed may be destined to be part ofthat team. Yeah. Then ended up when you're making it up. So it was it wasit was fun. But believe me one thing, it wasn't easy. Yeah. So who is thereal, like every every team has that that one guy that gives you the lookthe leader, the veteran who was that guy on your team, you know, because you guys were all champions, You're allincredible players and you came together and you played really well.But there you said it before, the veterans usually are the ones and theplayers are usually the ones that helped the other players out. It wasn'tcoaching. Was this a different kind of thing when Phil came in? Or was italmost the same? But it was when Phil came in, Phil gaveus a foundation of plan and Mhm basketball uh now and then are reallyguard dominated where one guy sets the table, so that now we've got an offenseat the ball, dictates the shot. Yeah, and and it's and there's no place. Soit's like our lisa's don't play calls. So it's it's just a great way to playbasketball. You're just reading, I was just reading your you're reading,you're playing. But the big part of it is that because our guys are reallymotivated to want to do, so think about that. So you're in a championship team.Your goal is to win a championship. So if your goal is to win achampionship now everything is set at a higher standard. So you have tounderstand. And to practice law, Yeah. Uh higher standard to go into the gametoo well and to win the game, you know what, you're a tent is losing, Losingis not a option because we're supposed to win. Yeah. And so, you know, we justfelt that at that point in time, once the table set, uh, and your goal is towin a championship and how are you going to do that? Uh you've got todiscover what kind of teamwork and we had what kind of teeth were offensively,but just like your teams in Pittsburgh,just like your teams that you're playing against, um with the bears andMinnesota and uh where the Chicago bulls, we are a defensive team. Anddon't you think it's funny that people talk about the offense all the time?Yeah. Bears out all the Bears, they gotta score busy to score basicdefensive team, right? So it's like, what are you talking about? So we were able to establish theidentity uh that's willing to fell to ourcoaching staff, we know that we've got a lot of uh talking about the fact that,you know, we got this triangle offense...

...and it's like if we got the best playeron the planet, well, yeah, but we're still a defensive team. That's who weare. That's our identity. That's how we went basketball games. Yeah. So, youknow, uh huh, you're a champion. You talked a lot about the intensity ofpractice and playing the games. Everything is expected when you'rewinning. But you're with guys all the time in the locker room. And there hasto be some brevity. There has to be some laughter because you got to breakit up. Who was the jokester? Who was the prankster in your locker room?Because you know, there's got to be when you get a bunch of guys in thelocker room and they're all winning. There's gotta be some good times. I think that in our locker room it waswe're not those guys are kind of because there's not that many of us,like 14 of us, the guys break off into their own group. Like I was the old guyin there. So it was really hard to find another old guy named robert, but whensome guys at the airport entire like we've got a horse scott and those guysare just goofy. Yeah. So is that more being a precious more being a goof andsaying, hey, luck, don't hang out at the mall tonight, uh go home, get somerest, stay out of trouble. Uh because at that point in time a lot of our guysare buried. Yeah. And uh and and single guys were young guys who are trying tofigure out how to take care of themselves, right? So it's not likebeing a price. They're they're just goofy because we're young. Yeah. Uh so but I always loved I always like Thatwas my thing in the locker room. I pick somebody, I'd love to have some funbecause you know, we play once and we play on Sunday. So you know, Fridaynight, Saturday, you're all serious, but during the week, you know, it's alot of practice and you and you're trying to break it up. I I always playjokes on guys and because you know, we had 60 guys in the locker room. Ohright. So to to try to create that trust that team a lot of times, youknow, to get to know somebody, you got to see him laugh and you got to youknow, kind of humanize them in a way. Well what would happen with our teamsent are say I told the second group starters So after a game uh we've hadpractice the next day so the starters can get you know 30 minutes they weretired. So if there was a scrimmage and I would usually in the scrimmages playa couple of minutes, step out. That second group always had a lot of energy.So they would go after the first group and those games got to be a little uhaggressive big group, they were laughing, they're like oh that shecould play, you gotta be kidding me. So that's those guys are trying to comeback and uh Look he just played for 35 minutes, you're tired the next day. Andthose guys uh they were ready to go, yeah they practice with a lot of funthat way. So so you go through this amazingcareer with the bulls, you decide to play one more year in Seattle um Whatwas that like for you? Because it's hard to know when is when, you know, Iplayed 15 years and you know, you asked that self, your that question, I was ok,when is it time? You know, how do you know when it is time? So how did youknow like, okay, I'm gonna go to Seattle and then it was, you know, youjust kind of figure it out from that point, like, well I knew because I Ikind of really got hurt there. Yeah, that was close a lot of times where Iwould get a rebound and my leg would be like in the air and I can remember howwas pretty flexible as a player. I...

...stretched a lot and I can rememberalmost seeing my muscles, I don't mind me uh I had the wrong direction. If Ihad a flexible as I was, I would have really torn my knee up half a dozentimes that year. So I was like, wow, you're close man. And also where uh,when I can't react somewhere maybe, um I would have to be uh do a power move as opposed to aquick boot because I was afraid to pull something. Yeah, you kind of knowyou're, you're, you're right there at the end. But then thinking about it now,I'm thinking, Yeah, I could have played 20 years. I say the same thing. Like Ishould have just kept trying to play more, you know, because my buddy, RyanRyan Fitzpatrick's on his like 18th year and I'm like, dude, you playingforever. So I, I get it. Yeah, we could have definitely done that. Yeah. Soguys like Robert Perry's place like 20 years and crane plays like 20 years andit's almost like you can always quit. Uh huh. But I did have a vision ofdoing something else after I got that bland. Uh Once again I thought it wasgonna be business and then it ended up being right back in the NBA. So uh Idon't know. Maybe it was just definitely. Yeah, maybe it was. Do youthink the NBA has changed a lot since you came in? I mean obviously, I meanwho's the big man for the bulls now? I can't remember his name, but he shootslike three's all the time. Like if you would have been, I'm thinking in myhead like if you would have been taking threes back when you were playing, youwould have been like, no, no, that's our job. Uh huh. Well as you know, it'sa little confusing now to where uh to play basketball. Uh It's like every sport, everybody is areport shooter. Everybody is a home run hitter. Everybody has the edge of all300 yards of golf. Uh for, you know, guys like me, it's nonsense. So Ireally don't try to justify it because it's uh because everything kind ofworks his way back around to where they will start playing a more rounded typeof of games, jump shots, report shots, all this mess and usually run theplayoff die. But it's important they do do that. Uh it's a little bit funky right now inthe NBA because of Covid and because maybe you're not a practice time thatreleased that justified that this is going on. Uh But it's in every sport. II still think it's crazy at football at the end of the game, uh You can throw a60 yard pass that doesn't get caught, you get a flag and get the ball there.I still think that's crazy too. So what the hell happened at what meaning doesthat happen and where you don't have to catch the ball? So, you know, we justcrazy things that happened in different sports that just bugged the targeting.So I just I just tried to to watch and I try to enjoy it. Uh Maybe I'm goingto see something special during the course of the game. That's what I'minterested in. Yeah, but it does make it really, really hard to watch withall these three is going up and just...

...these lack of skills being able to play,uh five ft from the basket. You can't play five people in the basket really?You play better from 25 ft, five ft. You kidding me? So yeah, you know, itdoes look different than when you guys played, right. You guys were like theoffense was waiting for you guys to get set up and it was more of like big manblocked basketball, Things like that. Like obviously there was three pointshooting and different things, but today it's just like bring it down,throw it up, let's go. And so it's like the big men's, they don't even give ita chance, They're just running back and forth. You know, it's like back in theday when you guys were playing, it was like a that's what I lived to watch,right when I I love Big East basketball, like in college and I love watching allthose guys play like that was kind of how it was just a lot of banging. Itdoesn't seem a lot of that anymore. Well, it's it's playing back to theirskills and look your best shooter, maybe a pig and your best post guymaybe uh your boy card. Yeah, so you say or what if the next dictatorsometimes you have bad matchups, but you playing basketball, you're you know,it's it's surrounded sport. It's not one type of game where what everybodyin baseball is not a home run hitter, you gotta lead off guy, he's a home runhitter, it seems so uh but uh like I said, I I always believe everythingworks his way out and comes back around so that now somebody's going to come inand say, hey we can post up again. This guy's a genius score from from the basket, shoot anelbow jumper. I saw somebody shoot an elbow jumper was like what? They stilldo that in the NBA, Nobody shoots out anymore. So it's it's just not what'sgoing on right now but it's okay bobo just wait for it. So I know you'vecoached at different levels and that was hard for me when I went from theNFL and I coached my son's youth football team, like I had all thislanguage and the skill sets in my head and then trying to relate it to kidswas very difficult for me. How have you made that transition? Because I knowyou've coached at many different levels. Yeah it's just going to and look it'sit's every kids and every kid is different. You treat them the same, youhold them to a really high standard. Yeah, but to me that's just teachingbasketball so if I get to teach them uh I could coach him, I can holdaccountable. So um and also to be able to put them in a situation where theycan be successful. Uh, probably my most fun challenge was when I had anopportunity. I coached in Japan for a year. I took over a team yeah 5 19 anduh, we were able to get them, give them for one thing and identity. So I wasable to look at this team and uh telling me a lot of guys, you guys, youguys evacuate scores but you guys are ever level is off the chain. So uh, weplayed great defense, we attacked them. Uh, we ended up with 12 games in a row, got back in the playoffs, just missedthe playoffs and just had a great time getting toknow those guys. Um, you didn't know that team in, in Osaka. So that wasgreat. That was a great time. Yeah, that would have been a lot of fun liveover there for a year because I mean I've heard so many great things, butI've never visited there. My daughter...

...went there with an old boyfriend ofhers, but uh, they had a great time and she said the food was amazing in Japanwas great, very healthy. Uh, you do a lot of walking there, you get tounderstand the culture, everything is trained dictated. Not a lot of peopledrive their, you know what I'm gonna drive anyway because it's so muchcongestion and it's funny to walk around there uh, until my wife whospent a little time there, if you get off on the street, you're dead becauseit's not like it's first street, second street, third street. It's like, it'slike a long name and there's no, you just lost your just, yeah, just call acab and then you're just walking around Japan and everybody is staring at youlike who is this guy? Yeah, you know what, they are so courteous there, theywon't do that, they'll wait until your backs turn and then I'll stare but theywill never be impolite to anybody. It was just very very courteous, nothingextraordinarily nice. Uh people almost too nice. It's very tricky becausethey're so nice, you figure it out that they end up, you end up doing exactlywhat they want to do because they just kill you a kindness. Right. Right.Exactly, exactly. So bill, before we end our show here, tell us a little bitabout what you're doing now and how our fans can find you and follow you. WellI am directive initiatives for theUniversity of san Francisco, I've been here for five years. Uh Father, ourpresident, father uh Fitzgerald allowed me to come back and uh able toparticipate with the school participate. The actually technically I'm involvedwith development, that's fundraising, right? So uh what he allows me toparticipate in uh Mhm. Mhm. Uh Obviously sports uh to be displayed with our basketball.Well really every sport think over there and talk to our differentathletes. A big thing that I'm really excitedabout is the as the Leo McCarthy Center. Uh They are basically uh those studentsare stands that are going to be our next leaders arenext community leaders. Uh And I'm just really excited to participate with thembecause they're they're just helping other people, what are they? Uh Justbeing a leaders of our and of the future, so it's been great. Uh And we've had some fun, some funteams to participate and unfortunately a basketball we're in but you know,Gonzaga. Yeah and uh b y you can't see mary, so you have those three teamsthat are really, really freaking good every year. So it's it's a bigchallenge. Hopefully we can respond to that and that's really every sport. Butwe're really proud of, the school, was proud of what they're accomplishing. Umgot a lot of big visions and and I'll san Fran san Francisco still the, Idon't care what people say, we're still the tech capital around the world righthere. So we do a lot. It's a it's a...

...very exciting place. It is a it's agreat place. Um it's a great place to live, I love coming to san Francisco.Um I want to thank you, I know that I'll be on you. I think you have apodcast too as well, right? I do have a podcast. It is the Bill got Rachel andyou can find us on Youtube. Uh we're going to have you on next week and uhchit chat a little better than uh, and I, I do want to hear some of thosestories about some, some locker room stuff that you guys were up to. Youguys are you guys got a lot of guys in there, so that's a lot more troublethan us. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I Had, I did a lot of things in 15 years and hada lot of fun and maybe that's probably why I played for seven teams, butthat's all right. I haven't had a really good time doing it. I had areally good time doing it, but bill, it was awesome. So everyone, uh, you know,I want to thank Bill Cartwright for joining us. Uh, you know what a greatstory. Um, I appreciate you taking the time today to, to share some of yourlife with us. Um, and uh, you know, I just love that our fans get to enjoydifferent people in the world and and hear all their transitions and, andthank you so much for joining us on huddle up with Gus guys. Thank you. Uhlet me mention my wife again, my wife Sherry. And by the way, I do have fourkids and I have seven grandkids, grandsons, wow. Which one's the bestshooter? Well, they're they're young except formaybe Gavina train of having a tray or 16 and 13. So right now they're they'rethey're number one. But those others are coming along the way. So what doesgranddad take them out all the time and shoot with them? Oh, Vietnam versatile.So we do last sports, uh, golf, basketball, golf tenants, baseball, uh,football was all tricky because Gavin played that, you know, the concussionsgot in the way they look. If you're going to run the ball, you're prettierthan that, right? That's like Emmitt Smith said, told me on the show thatthe coach told him that, look, you don't have to just run into the guy,you can make a miss. And he said, oh, I figured it out that those guys can'tcatch me so I'll just run around him. But, but yeah, that's great. And if Iwould say one thing, tell him to play golf because they can play that for therest of their life and it probably won't hurt as much. Yes. Yes. But yeah,those are very special kids. Uh, um, and the beauty part is that we canspoil them and then drop them off. Yeah, sugar them up and take him home. Right?Yeah, toys. But they've been, they have been awesome. All right. Bill willappreciate you man. I thank you so much for joining me today and I look forwardto talking with you next week on your show. Um take care and enjoy thatfamily. It sounds like a great one guys. Thank you very much. I'm lookingforward to. All right. Hey everyone, Thanks for joining me again. Anothergreat episode of huddle up with Gus uh we'll see you next week. Thanks againto 16 31 Digital News. Thanks to Sounder and especially thanks toManscaped where you go and check out the new lawnmower. Four point oh, Ithink it was three point oh, like last week now it's four point oh, so checkit out on Manscaped dot com and get used my code. Gus Frerotte, that's F RE R O T T E And get 20 off and free shipping. We'll see you next week. Andthanks for joining us. And that's a wrap sportsman. Thanks forjoining in the fun at the 31 digital studios for another. Actually huddle upwith Gus featuring 15 year NFL quarterback Gus. Theron, huddle up withGus is proudly produced by 16 31...

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