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Bill Cartwright

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Joining me in the Huddle this week is 5-time NBA Champion Bill Cartwright. Bill was drafted by the Knicks and then traded to the Chicago Bulls and finished his career with the Seattle Supersonics. He attended Elk Grove High School in Elk Grove, California and played college basketball at the University of San Francisco.

Check out his Bio by the NBA: https://www.nba.com/bulls/history/life-and-times-mr-bill 

Check out Bill's Podcast: https://anchor.fm/bill-cartwright 

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Hey everyone, Welcome to another episode of huddle up with Gus, I'm your host, former NFL quarterback Gus Frerotte and welcome to the new 16 31 digital new studio. You know, some people say no news is good news. Well I say to those people you've never read. 16 31 digital news dot com. Go to 16 31 digital news dot com to get your latest news, sports, music and entertainment and maybe even listen to your favorite podcast. Follow up with gusts. Check it out today at www. 16 31 digital news dot com. Welcome to what surely will be a doozy of a matchup brian here. Sports fans, whether your game is on the gridiron at the diamond or on the links, we can only say, yeah, welcome to this week's huddle up with gusts. 15 year NFL quarterback Gus parents, passion for sports has taken him on the field and behind the bench is playing for seven NFL franchises with 114 TVs under his belt. Gus knows who the players are and how the games are. One. Uh, it's not every day you get to hang out with an NFL quarterback up. Okay, sports fans from the decked out and plush 16 31 digital studios, it's kick off time, so snap your chin straps on and get ready to huddle up with us two left. Yeah. Hey everyone, welcome back to huddle up with gusts. I'm your host, Gus Frerotte. Uh you know, I want to thank everyone. Um that helps him with the show. Terry ian brian, Thank you again so much for that. I want to thank 16 31 digital news in their studio for help me out. I want to thank Sounder FM for housing me on their platform and also want to thank Manscaped. Go to Manscaped dot com. Put in my code Gus Frerotte by some autumn by some awesome stuff and you get 20% off and free shipping. Today we're talking with Bill Cartwright, you started where you really started growing but I was always taller, taller than you know the normal kid. Like let's say for example when I was in the sixth grade, I remember this perfectly because I was six ft song so it just kind of grew couple of inches pretty much every year. Did you have a lot of issues with that? Because I grew from like 8th to 9th grade, I grew like six and my knees. I had uh I guess they call Oscar slaughter like where your knees and your joints, we're growing so fast and those tendons weren't keeping up. Did you have some of those issues? I probably did but I was running pretty pretty good. So I always thought I did a great job of kind of ignoring it, ignoring that because I just love to go. So I was a lot of fun. Um You have a lot of. Yeah. Yeah that that would be great. Uh that you know um to go through high school and to be 71, what is it like? Like what is the hardest part about being that tall in high school? Uh for me and this is why not think about this uh for me, I'm normal and you're not. So that's my fun, it's like I'm not really that tall, but everybody else is not normal, so this is my norm, So so your sister's tall, my sister taller. I said rain somewhere between 5, 10 and 62. But think about this, you know when you're...

...or anything by school, there's always some other kids were tall. Um And there's always taller kids somewhere, so I was just taller than some of the taller kids, but uh you're you're always going to find somebody who's who's gonna talk, so you had to be kind of intimidating if you're on a pitching mound being that tall. Uh Yeah, later on, and it's kind of funny because I really love baseball and I wanted to play. And then I can remember this guy, Dennis forenza, who is the same age as man, He ended up playing minor league baseball. This dude had like a 400 ft home run. And I can remember standing there looking at that. They can, well, I guess it's basketball Premier can never in a million years to do that. Right? Right. So when you see real talent, uh you know, you see it, you know it and you know, it's time to place basketball. Yeah, that's kind of how it was with basketball, right? Like I I loved it. I played it all the time every summer and then just realized like, oh, that guy could jump better than me. That guy can shoot better than me. I'm gonna stick with football because I could throw it harder than anyone else. Exactly, exactly. And you know, fortunately, you know, when I was in high school we had a great, I had a great coach, I had great teammates, we had a really tall team and another guy on my team terrace offer who was 68 We had our forwards were 6, 4 colleague the Bill man and our point guard was Uh six months. Also, we really had a college team and perhaps uh Sophomore. I think we lost five games when I was a junior. We were 30, you know, and unfortunately those guys graduated. I see you're here. But uh, we were still able to, little elk, grove California, think about this one in Northern California Championship. Um that year, my senior year before I went to us set up, so which was almost like a Hoosier time story because well, how big was your high school? How many kids did you graduate with high school? I'm thinking maybe it seemed big. Um what about 2500 kids? Maybe 3000 kids? You're acting like it's a little town. Like my high school, I graduated with 100 kids. Like if we had, I was the tallest kid in the school at 64 you know, and you guys have two guys that are over six, eight. Yeah, but you gotta remember at that point in time, that area was not only represented uh, the Grove area, but it represented South Sacramento. So there was right now, you know, there's probably At least 30 high schools that represent that area. So it was, it was a big area and represented by just one high school. So then you go on, what was the recruiting process for you? Like in high school? I mean you're tall guy, you've won state championship, you're doing really well, You end up going to santa USF, but I'm sure you've had opportunities to go to other colleges. What was that process like for you? What was great? It was probably like you, I got a lot of letters, there was letters and uh um, you know, I started getting, there was a lot of them when I...

...was in junior. Uh, the guy read one of them. Um, but I really wanted to go to school in California. Um, I did after her felt they visit me from Notre dame. Oh yeah not not you shell and you never wanted to go to U. C. L. A. I did I didn't want to go to U. C. L. A. But U. C. L. A. At this weird thing that they did start freshman and I was I was not really digging that I was thinking you know that I'm getting like almost 40 a game and I'd like an opportunity to start. Yeah so basically it was known. So uh then I thought about going to S. C. Right and there was a you know you have your official visit where kids walking around school and tell you how great it is. Well the three guys I had said don't go to school care our coaches carol. It's never a good thing. What a recruiting process. So after that uh people that I really wanted to go to was was USF USF and he had a tradition of great basketball tradition kind of quietly, uh They had won the conference, which was the W. C A C. Now, the WCC Uh finished 1st and 2nd since 1949. So after being able to see that and why is it that for the time? Eric Birdstone, uh kevin, rastani Phil smith, we're all playing at these, these are guys that we headed to the NBA. I was like, wow, these guys, these guys are good. So I ended up going to US self, which was which was awesome. Great school close to my dad, er visits. It was it was a perfect scenario for me. I'm going to school now. Were you the where are you in the age group of your family? Are you the youngest, the middle or the oldest for all your siblings? Well, six sisters are, I don't know if that's good or bad but a random metal right in the middle so so I knew then that that's a goal that's a little wind so you just better get out of the house quick, I'm gonna get out of the way. So I read somewhere that you married your high school sweetheart, is that right? Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's incredible either she's a little crazier. I am. I think it's her. Well I was thinking more like your sister's really liked her and you're like okay. Yeah they like I'm not gonna get in trouble here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah that too. But uh she's she's been able to put up with me for For 41 years, Wow, it's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So you know I got lucky that way too. So when you go to you USF did she, what did she do? Especially with the school of Fresno? Okay, you gave her give her a period of time to get away and focus on what she wanted to do. Yeah, I was I was focused on being a student and playing basketball, all that stuff, so it was great. So you're at USF you're having a good career there, you're getting to the time where the draft is coming up, How do they work? You know, because the NFL they have the combine and you know, they have pro days and things like that. What do they do in the NBA to go and like see you guys. I mean, I've watched...

...some of it on, you know, league pass and all that, but kind of explain that to me how you look at it because you've been both the player and you've been the coach, well uh that kind of my thing and really confused me because, uh, the NBA they do they do scout and they do put people on you if they're curious about you to kind of watch you. So, um, you know, our scouts, especially when we were in Chicago, they were great, they spent a lot of time with them, a lot of detail. They go to the games uh, now at the end of the season, before the draft, you have an opportunity to work guys out. Yeah. So if I can work out three prospects, it doesn't take you a long time to figure out this room. Yeah. You put it through a couple of drugs, you test them physically contest their character afterwards, you get the interview and it's really revealing to find out who guys really are. So it's not that tricky. So, you know, uh, college combines, um, I think it just gives you an opportunity to see those kids, not the first year kids, but the second to your kids to give you an opportunity to find out they are in a competitive situation. Yeah, that's true. Because you got to think about like um if you go to Alabama compared to you know, Alabama state and you're looking at the linebacker from each school, how are you going to compare them playing on film? Right? So you have to do something else to compare them. So that's why they put them through all these drills that go on at the combine. Um But in the NBA I would say like for you, how how many years were you in college? You there three years or four, four years? That was that's like an anomaly. Yeah. I mean a couple of my teammates, James Hardie were born as they left early. Um You know we had guys like Bill, Willoughby and Gerald on because they left their way possible and left her away. And believe me, every single person outside of maybe magic who left its software year. Yeah, you're you're just not ready to play because just physically to be able to adapt the players and uh do you think they should change that rule? Do you think that like if you go to college you should at least be there three years? No, I think one year and you're gonna find out who you are now. Uh It's just a different beast right now. But I think you need at least a year Is at least be 19 years old. Yeah. Now I'm not a believer that and the 19 year old is gonna help pilot and team to a Championship, right? But I do think that physically at 19 brute strength wise, you're you're ready, physically able to hail it, but there's no way you're gonna walk in and be able to um play unless you're somebody extraordinarily special. Uh Like magic, even Birdman when he came out. Birdman uh was a year older than us, we were just a draft. So Now you got got 22 years old, that's uh that's that's that's a pretty big difference. So uh and I think they're able to see it and now with Zion who's now he's been in the league two years, right? Uh he's...

...got a new boy pick in the draft, It's gonna take a couple of years to figure it out. So now that you're 20 and 21 when you're supposed to be graduated, now you're ready to play. Yeah, so So tell me about, Okay now you're probably 22, you get drafted, You go to, you go from California san Francisco, which is kind of a big town. Obviously san Francisco is a beautiful city. But then you go to new york, what was actually like for you? Because that had to be a big, I mean I went from, I mean I grew up in Pittsburgh and I think it's, people think it's like midwest went too tall son, then went to Washington D. C, which was all of a sudden in front of all the media and the press and had to be similar for you. Mhm Yeah, it's buildings now you walk used to wide open plains. Exactly. I'm from El Grove and I got my man look at this place, wow, this is crazy. But, but then when it came down to it physically I was ready to go, I was raised, I was ready for the contact. Uh, you know, offensively I was ready to go. I could score on anybody. Defensively I was pretty sucky. I couldn't guard anymore. I don't think that's true. No, that's what I play for the next. So to be able to learn how to play, I think about it. Who was in the league then? Uh, my first game was against Darryl Dawkins. Uh, yeah, bob. And there was in the league. Jackson was in the league. Dave counts in the league artist, grandma was in the leg. They had some beast. Yeah, Green rolling in. Uh, he killed me the first couple of times I played against him. So, uh, all those guys were established guys and they were all different and it takes you a while to learn how to guard them because it's not like we had, you had any help that you're on your own. Yeah, probably not like you had the film to watch all them either. I mean you do but back in the day, I mean it wasn't like watching from you could put all the clips together of when hey when he does the spin move, here's what I'll do. You know? Or when he faces you up, here's what he likes to do. Like they put all that stuff your film guys can give you that right on your ipad now. Yeah, there was no film. There was no too well. How did you just figure it out? Like you just said, did you take mental notes when you would play somebody? Yeah you won or you would uh um there were veterans on the team that can help you out and I can remember when I started. Jack Sikma killed me first time playing against them. His teammate was marvel Webster. It was my teammate to tell you, hey look, let's say you guard this guy and guys like Truck Robinson who was showing how to use my farm and get the guys opposition and uh, don't, don't let the guys in the baby. And so your friends as opposed to the coaches a tape, they were teaching you more than anything else. It was, it was great. But it took a while you get to take a couple of butt kickings learn a lesson, huh? And even in that even if you knew what they were going to do, uh, you know, you can still Gardel, but he's not. Here comes most belong who you know, is the quickest jumper in basketball history. You learn to just block block him out because he's likely to miss his first shot. But he was so fast he beat you back up on the second child and uh you...

...just have to learn how to play against different guys. Uh there was a bunch of guys who just really, really good and it had their old style. Did you have anybody when you were a rookie coming in? Like that kind of gave you? Yeah. Some thoughts like, hey Bill, this is what you need to be doing, here's how you need to work. Like did you have a veteran that kind of sat you down? I had some people like that when I was with Washington, uh Darryl Greene did that with me, a couple other guys, which I really appreciate it. Did you have like coming in as a rookie? I mean you were still, you know incredible in college, you were number one draft pick, but still your rookie, you know what I mean? Like there's there, did you have somebody that, that was kind of like your mentor when you came in, wow. Well, the guy who was going to be my mentor was Barbara Webster, but marvel monster, right? First year he got sick, he got sick, which, which allowed me to play a ton of minutes, but, but he wasn't around a lot. So, uh, no, I was really that first year really on my own to kind of figure everything out myself. And we had a young team, we had, um, you know, I think we had five rookies on that tape. Yeah. Uh, so it was, and we had some crazy guys with Michael Ray Richards said, Ray Williams and our veterans on the team were guys like josie, berry weather and uh, Toby nights and uh, Glenn Ghana Zack and you know, the cool figures at my first coach was Red Holzman write and read. Just believe that, you know, you just got to play it. You got to learn, he believed mentioned the meth and you know, he gave us and gave me an opportunity to just play and, and, and, and learn. So, uh, it was good. It was great to learn that good and bad. He was going to leave you out there. So yeah, I would, I would think it's pretty good like that. You play that many games right? In the NFL we have 16. We Gotta wait a whole week. If you have a bad game. You know, if you didn't feel like you had a great game or even if you had a good game, you had to wait a whole week to go back out and do it again in basketball. It would be like, okay, I'm going out even though I didn't have the success. I wanted to go out and try again the next night or two nights away, Right? Yeah, yeah. Basketball is good, good and bad because, you know, and at that point in time it was uh basketball was still kind of involving. So we didn't stay in the best hotels, we didn't have the best facilities. Uh You were pretty much under wrong. I mean it's not liking us now where you've got trainers, we had one trainer That was about six jobs, so you're responsible for your own equipment. I can remember we got our road uniform, it was ours. So that road uniform, you had a game. If you had a back to back games on the road, we have to wash that beautiful about in the sink. You gotta do yourself, yes, responsible for everything. So uh oh man, I can just see some guys not washing it at all saying, yeah, I'm gonna be nobody's guarding me tonight. Exactly, exactly. So uh it was, it was a different time. There was no charter flights, it was all commercial. Uh So you're pretty much exhausted. A lot, just uh I can imagine. Yeah, and you...

...take care of yourselves to where uh you know, if you? Re injured, you know, your training was strap you up. You know, there was a lot of ice and a lot of, a lot of ice, but do you have to kill your own hot tub and cold tub up? You if you wanted to do that, like, the trainers weren't doing any of that stuff. I remember like even when I came in, they were they would still be like, oh yeah, you want a cold tub, just put some ice on it and go fill it up. Exactly. I mean that was that was 1980 so you were you were pretty much going around. Uh It's probably not we're not as smart as the guys now. The guys now if they're hurt does they'll be like I'm not playing I'm hurt us. Not too smart you know? Yeah you were hurt. Oh it would just strap you up but just keep on your feet right I get you a bigger neat race. Exactly. Put a back brace song. You're you're fine, everything's fine. Yeah. Then you can go sleep in a bed in a hotel that doesn't fit. You Don't pitch and you've got to get up at 6:00 AM and make that next flight. Oh man that's brutal. I bet there's nothing worse than a small bed. How did you deal with that? I guess you just get used to it right. Yeah you get used to it, but you were so tired of that. And also it was fighting. Anyway. Look, we were in the NBA where young, You're young, you're in your twenties, you can do pretty much anything. You're, you're an iron Man. Nothing is going to bother you. You just, you just know you want to play. Yeah, I'll be here. I want to play. I got a big challenge this night and hopefully I'm not gonna let anybody down. I'm just going to bring my best effort and, uh, and just see what happens, right? Hey, everyone, thanks for joining me and I'll go up with us. We were talking to Bill Cartwright, uh, you know, Three time player champion, right? And two time coach champions or five rings. Amazing. But we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. Mm. Yeah. You know, hey, head off with gusts listeners Manscaped. They sent me, uh, they hooked me up with a bunch of tools and formulations for their package three point oh kit. Uh, so, you know, I want to show you guys what's in the perfect package, Right? We all think we got a perfect package, but they sent me the perfect package three point okay. And I want to show you what they sent me. So it was crazy. It came in this great box. Uh, you know, uh, and you can see what it says. They will thank you because they sent us this awesome trimmer. They sent us, uh, you know, stuff that makes you smell better. And then, you know, they sent me this great, uh, some boxers, you what you get right, protect them. And then, uh, you know, they sent me this cool sack, I guess you want to call it to store all your stuff in. So uh it's been great. Manscaped sent me a bunch of products. Um you know, and you know, you can see it all on here. Uh you know, you can go to Manscaped dot com and put in the code. Uh Gus Frerotte, that's G U S F R E R O T T E. Get 20% off and free shipping when you use that code. But you can get a kit, you can get individual items like uh this way cool groomer that has a little led light um ceramic. These things come apart, they're waterproof, you can do a lot with them. So you know, Manscaped is great. You know, it's funny, I remember when I was playing with the Denver broncos and I'm not going to mention any names, but there was a...

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Yeah. Uh huh. Uh We want to get back into your conversation about when you were in the NBA you were with the knicks. Now we're going on to your next step, You get traded. What was that like for you um where you get traded from one team to another? Uh Did they talk to you about it or was it something that just happened? Well, it's been nine years in new york. Uh, as you would suspect, I knew that I was not going to get traded. So my wife and I decided, you know what, we're just going to go to Hawaii and just kinda hang out there for a little while. Uh, I got to have a vacation. So right when we landed in Hawaii got a phone call from the Cross. Uh, we want you to come to Chicago Chicago. Yeah, we just traded for you, wow, wow. That's uh, that's not good. Want me to come right now I'm in a way. So he says, yeah, so flew, flew to Chicago stand at the knickerbocker hotel in Chicago, which was funny. Yeah, member jerry was very enthusiastic. Uh, you know, in my time in new york was great. I really enjoyed it. I learned a lot instead of a great foundation, but in the nine years I was in new york, I had four coaches. Yeah, that's hard. What's up? Red Holzman can be brown and I agreed to have a great guy with uh, Kill and the last coach rick Pitino at that point in time, they had young guys, we got a patch of killing, they got more Jackson kid walker. Uh, it was rebuilding there. So for the first time in my life I was a player that much that year was like, it was like going to the spy game. Yeah, it's like I'm going to go work out and I'm gonna go home and then work out before the game and not playing like, wow, people really do this, This is like a joke, getting treated, having an opportunity to play again and play again on a really good team. Uh, our corn is already there with Michael, Arbib Horace Grant who was going to play down. So it's okay left, got ready for me. John paxson was already there. So it was a great, uh, it was a great start. Um, it was hard because that was, they had to go to that point time. Uh, so they were running additional offenses after doug laptop felt took over. Um, uh, which activated text winner was activated our triangle offense, which activated charlie bach. Yeah, defensive scheme. So the foundation of our team was really set after, after my second year. So okay. Uh, it took us two years to overcome the dreaded Detroit pistons right and, and kind of grow up. Uh, and then from there we're off to the races and what I really want to mention is that the guy who set the table for all this and we talked about before with jerry. Krause basically got every single person on the team with the exception of Michael Jordan uh, and God is here and that's coaches as well. Jerry first hire was neck sweater and Alvear meal. Who's the always true...

...thing to basically coach to um, Coat and be a gym in three sports and football, Baseball and basketball. Well, uh, really seven jerry. Uh, I felt those in the D League. Yeah. Um, so he got everybody there. Got a bench, will be there. Armstrong. This is a game. Uh, scott Williams global. Every seven guys like Greg Hodges. I mean, yeah, I've got guys that he was able to bring in uh, to make us a champion. So, um, I just felt like I was really fortunate, blessed may be destined to be part of that team. Yeah. Then ended up when you're making it up. So it was it was it was fun. But believe me one thing, it wasn't easy. Yeah. So who is the real, like every every team has that that one guy that gives you the look the leader, the veteran who was that guy on your team, you know, because you guys were all champions, You're all incredible players and you came together and you played really well. But there you said it before, the veterans usually are the ones and the players are usually the ones that helped the other players out. It wasn't coaching. Was this a different kind of thing when Phil came in? Or was it almost the same? But it was when Phil came in, Phil gave us a foundation of plan and Mhm basketball uh now and then are really guard dominated where one guy sets the table, so that now we've got an offense at the ball, dictates the shot. Yeah, and and it's and there's no place. So it's like our lisa's don't play calls. So it's it's just a great way to play basketball. You're just reading, I was just reading your you're reading, you're playing. But the big part of it is that because our guys are really motivated to want to do, so think about that. So you're in a championship team. Your goal is to win a championship. So if your goal is to win a championship now everything is set at a higher standard. So you have to understand. And to practice law, Yeah. Uh higher standard to go into the game too well and to win the game, you know what, you're a tent is losing, Losing is not a option because we're supposed to win. Yeah. And so, you know, we just felt that at that point in time, once the table set, uh, and your goal is to win a championship and how are you going to do that? Uh you've got to discover what kind of teamwork and we had what kind of teeth were offensively, but just like your teams in Pittsburgh, just like your teams that you're playing against, um with the bears and Minnesota and uh where the Chicago bulls, we are a defensive team. And don't you think it's funny that people talk about the offense all the time? Yeah. Bears out all the Bears, they gotta score busy to score basic defensive team, right? So it's like, what are you talking about? So we were able to establish the identity uh that's willing to fell to our coaching staff, we know that we've got a lot of uh talking about the fact that, you know, we got this triangle offense...

...and it's like if we got the best player on the planet, well, yeah, but we're still a defensive team. That's who we are. That's our identity. That's how we went basketball games. Yeah. So, you know, uh huh, you're a champion. You talked a lot about the intensity of practice and playing the games. Everything is expected when you're winning. But you're with guys all the time in the locker room. And there has to be some brevity. There has to be some laughter because you got to break it up. Who was the jokester? Who was the prankster in your locker room? Because you know, there's got to be when you get a bunch of guys in the locker room and they're all winning. There's gotta be some good times. I think that in our locker room it was we're not those guys are kind of because there's not that many of us, like 14 of us, the guys break off into their own group. Like I was the old guy in there. So it was really hard to find another old guy named robert, but when some guys at the airport entire like we've got a horse scott and those guys are just goofy. Yeah. So is that more being a precious more being a goof and saying, hey, luck, don't hang out at the mall tonight, uh go home, get some rest, stay out of trouble. Uh because at that point in time a lot of our guys are buried. Yeah. And uh and and single guys were young guys who are trying to figure out how to take care of themselves, right? So it's not like being a price. They're they're just goofy because we're young. Yeah. Uh so but I always loved I always like That was my thing in the locker room. I pick somebody, I'd love to have some fun because you know, we play once and we play on Sunday. So you know, Friday night, Saturday, you're all serious, but during the week, you know, it's a lot of practice and you and you're trying to break it up. I I always play jokes on guys and because you know, we had 60 guys in the locker room. Oh right. So to to try to create that trust that team a lot of times, you know, to get to know somebody, you got to see him laugh and you got to you know, kind of humanize them in a way. Well what would happen with our team sent are say I told the second group starters So after a game uh we've had practice the next day so the starters can get you know 30 minutes they were tired. So if there was a scrimmage and I would usually in the scrimmages play a couple of minutes, step out. That second group always had a lot of energy. So they would go after the first group and those games got to be a little uh aggressive big group, they were laughing, they're like oh that she could play, you gotta be kidding me. So that's those guys are trying to come back and uh Look he just played for 35 minutes, you're tired the next day. And those guys uh they were ready to go, yeah they practice with a lot of fun that way. So so you go through this amazing career with the bulls, you decide to play one more year in Seattle um What was that like for you? Because it's hard to know when is when, you know, I played 15 years and you know, you asked that self, your that question, I was ok, when is it time? You know, how do you know when it is time? So how did you know like, okay, I'm gonna go to Seattle and then it was, you know, you just kind of figure it out from that point, like, well I knew because I I kind of really got hurt there. Yeah, that was close a lot of times where I would get a rebound and my leg would be like in the air and I can remember how was pretty flexible as a player. I...

...stretched a lot and I can remember almost seeing my muscles, I don't mind me uh I had the wrong direction. If I had a flexible as I was, I would have really torn my knee up half a dozen times that year. So I was like, wow, you're close man. And also where uh, when I can't react somewhere maybe, um I would have to be uh do a power move as opposed to a quick boot because I was afraid to pull something. Yeah, you kind of know you're, you're, you're right there at the end. But then thinking about it now, I'm thinking, Yeah, I could have played 20 years. I say the same thing. Like I should have just kept trying to play more, you know, because my buddy, Ryan Ryan Fitzpatrick's on his like 18th year and I'm like, dude, you playing forever. So I, I get it. Yeah, we could have definitely done that. Yeah. So guys like Robert Perry's place like 20 years and crane plays like 20 years and it's almost like you can always quit. Uh huh. But I did have a vision of doing something else after I got that bland. Uh Once again I thought it was gonna be business and then it ended up being right back in the NBA. So uh I don't know. Maybe it was just definitely. Yeah, maybe it was. Do you think the NBA has changed a lot since you came in? I mean obviously, I mean who's the big man for the bulls now? I can't remember his name, but he shoots like three's all the time. Like if you would have been, I'm thinking in my head like if you would have been taking threes back when you were playing, you would have been like, no, no, that's our job. Uh huh. Well as you know, it's a little confusing now to where uh to play basketball. Uh It's like every sport, everybody is a report shooter. Everybody is a home run hitter. Everybody has the edge of all 300 yards of golf. Uh for, you know, guys like me, it's nonsense. So I really don't try to justify it because it's uh because everything kind of works his way back around to where they will start playing a more rounded type of of games, jump shots, report shots, all this mess and usually run the playoff die. But it's important they do do that. Uh it's a little bit funky right now in the NBA because of Covid and because maybe you're not a practice time that released that justified that this is going on. Uh But it's in every sport. I I still think it's crazy at football at the end of the game, uh You can throw a 60 yard pass that doesn't get caught, you get a flag and get the ball there. I still think that's crazy too. So what the hell happened at what meaning does that happen and where you don't have to catch the ball? So, you know, we just crazy things that happened in different sports that just bugged the targeting. So I just I just tried to to watch and I try to enjoy it. Uh Maybe I'm going to see something special during the course of the game. That's what I'm interested in. Yeah, but it does make it really, really hard to watch with all these three is going up and just...

...these lack of skills being able to play, uh five ft from the basket. You can't play five people in the basket really? You play better from 25 ft, five ft. You kidding me? So yeah, you know, it does look different than when you guys played, right. You guys were like the offense was waiting for you guys to get set up and it was more of like big man blocked basketball, Things like that. Like obviously there was three point shooting and different things, but today it's just like bring it down, throw it up, let's go. And so it's like the big men's, they don't even give it a chance, They're just running back and forth. You know, it's like back in the day when you guys were playing, it was like a that's what I lived to watch, right when I I love Big East basketball, like in college and I love watching all those guys play like that was kind of how it was just a lot of banging. It doesn't seem a lot of that anymore. Well, it's it's playing back to their skills and look your best shooter, maybe a pig and your best post guy maybe uh your boy card. Yeah, so you say or what if the next dictator sometimes you have bad matchups, but you playing basketball, you're you know, it's it's surrounded sport. It's not one type of game where what everybody in baseball is not a home run hitter, you gotta lead off guy, he's a home run hitter, it seems so uh but uh like I said, I I always believe everything works his way out and comes back around so that now somebody's going to come in and say, hey we can post up again. This guy's a genius score from from the basket, shoot an elbow jumper. I saw somebody shoot an elbow jumper was like what? They still do that in the NBA, Nobody shoots out anymore. So it's it's just not what's going on right now but it's okay bobo just wait for it. So I know you've coached at different levels and that was hard for me when I went from the NFL and I coached my son's youth football team, like I had all this language and the skill sets in my head and then trying to relate it to kids was very difficult for me. How have you made that transition? Because I know you've coached at many different levels. Yeah it's just going to and look it's it's every kids and every kid is different. You treat them the same, you hold them to a really high standard. Yeah, but to me that's just teaching basketball so if I get to teach them uh I could coach him, I can hold accountable. So um and also to be able to put them in a situation where they can be successful. Uh, probably my most fun challenge was when I had an opportunity. I coached in Japan for a year. I took over a team yeah 5 19 and uh, we were able to get them, give them for one thing and identity. So I was able to look at this team and uh telling me a lot of guys, you guys, you guys evacuate scores but you guys are ever level is off the chain. So uh, we played great defense, we attacked them. Uh, we ended up with 12 games in a row, got back in the playoffs, just missed the playoffs and just had a great time getting to know those guys. Um, you didn't know that team in, in Osaka. So that was great. That was a great time. Yeah, that would have been a lot of fun live over there for a year because I mean I've heard so many great things, but I've never visited there. My daughter...

...went there with an old boyfriend of hers, but uh, they had a great time and she said the food was amazing in Japan was great, very healthy. Uh, you do a lot of walking there, you get to understand the culture, everything is trained dictated. Not a lot of people drive their, you know what I'm gonna drive anyway because it's so much congestion and it's funny to walk around there uh, until my wife who spent a little time there, if you get off on the street, you're dead because it's not like it's first street, second street, third street. It's like, it's like a long name and there's no, you just lost your just, yeah, just call a cab and then you're just walking around Japan and everybody is staring at you like who is this guy? Yeah, you know what, they are so courteous there, they won't do that, they'll wait until your backs turn and then I'll stare but they will never be impolite to anybody. It was just very very courteous, nothing extraordinarily nice. Uh people almost too nice. It's very tricky because they're so nice, you figure it out that they end up, you end up doing exactly what they want to do because they just kill you a kindness. Right. Right. Exactly, exactly. So bill, before we end our show here, tell us a little bit about what you're doing now and how our fans can find you and follow you. Well I am directive initiatives for the University of san Francisco, I've been here for five years. Uh Father, our president, father uh Fitzgerald allowed me to come back and uh able to participate with the school participate. The actually technically I'm involved with development, that's fundraising, right? So uh what he allows me to participate in uh Mhm. Mhm. Uh Obviously sports uh to be displayed with our basketball. Well really every sport think over there and talk to our different athletes. A big thing that I'm really excited about is the as the Leo McCarthy Center. Uh They are basically uh those students are stands that are going to be our next leaders are next community leaders. Uh And I'm just really excited to participate with them because they're they're just helping other people, what are they? Uh Just being a leaders of our and of the future, so it's been great. Uh And we've had some fun, some fun teams to participate and unfortunately a basketball we're in but you know, Gonzaga. Yeah and uh b y you can't see mary, so you have those three teams that are really, really freaking good every year. So it's it's a big challenge. Hopefully we can respond to that and that's really every sport. But we're really proud of, the school, was proud of what they're accomplishing. Um got a lot of big visions and and I'll san Fran san Francisco still the, I don't care what people say, we're still the tech capital around the world right here. So we do a lot. It's a it's a...

...very exciting place. It is a it's a great place. Um it's a great place to live, I love coming to san Francisco. Um I want to thank you, I know that I'll be on you. I think you have a podcast too as well, right? I do have a podcast. It is the Bill got Rachel and you can find us on Youtube. Uh we're going to have you on next week and uh chit chat a little better than uh, and I, I do want to hear some of those stories about some, some locker room stuff that you guys were up to. You guys are you guys got a lot of guys in there, so that's a lot more trouble than us. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I Had, I did a lot of things in 15 years and had a lot of fun and maybe that's probably why I played for seven teams, but that's all right. I haven't had a really good time doing it. I had a really good time doing it, but bill, it was awesome. So everyone, uh, you know, I want to thank Bill Cartwright for joining us. Uh, you know what a great story. Um, I appreciate you taking the time today to, to share some of your life with us. Um, and uh, you know, I just love that our fans get to enjoy different people in the world and and hear all their transitions and, and thank you so much for joining us on huddle up with Gus guys. Thank you. Uh let me mention my wife again, my wife Sherry. And by the way, I do have four kids and I have seven grandkids, grandsons, wow. Which one's the best shooter? Well, they're they're young except for maybe Gavina train of having a tray or 16 and 13. So right now they're they're they're number one. But those others are coming along the way. So what does granddad take them out all the time and shoot with them? Oh, Vietnam versatile. So we do last sports, uh, golf, basketball, golf tenants, baseball, uh, football was all tricky because Gavin played that, you know, the concussions got in the way they look. If you're going to run the ball, you're prettier than that, right? That's like Emmitt Smith said, told me on the show that the coach told him that, look, you don't have to just run into the guy, you can make a miss. And he said, oh, I figured it out that those guys can't catch me so I'll just run around him. But, but yeah, that's great. And if I would say one thing, tell him to play golf because they can play that for the rest of their life and it probably won't hurt as much. Yes. Yes. But yeah, those are very special kids. Uh, um, and the beauty part is that we can spoil them and then drop them off. Yeah, sugar them up and take him home. Right? Yeah, toys. But they've been, they have been awesome. All right. Bill will appreciate you man. I thank you so much for joining me today and I look forward to talking with you next week on your show. Um take care and enjoy that family. It sounds like a great one guys. Thank you very much. I'm looking forward to. All right. Hey everyone, Thanks for joining me again. Another great episode of huddle up with Gus uh we'll see you next week. Thanks again to 16 31 Digital News. Thanks to Sounder and especially thanks to Manscaped where you go and check out the new lawnmower. Four point oh, I think it was three point oh, like last week now it's four point oh, so check it out on Manscaped dot com and get used my code. Gus Frerotte, that's F R E R O T T E And get 20 off and free shipping. We'll see you next week. And thanks for joining us. And that's a wrap sportsman. Thanks for joining in the fun at the 31 digital studios for another. Actually huddle up with Gus featuring 15 year NFL quarterback Gus. Theron, huddle up with Gus is proudly produced by 16 31...

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