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AnnieMathews

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Welcome to Huddle Up with Gus, featuring 15-year NFL quarterback Gus Frerotte! This is a very special episode of the Huddle as Gus interviews author Annie Mathews, famed author of popular books for kids of all ages. Annie's books are renowned for a special creative inventiveness that spark the imagination in kids of all ages. Gus speaks with Annie about her friendship with the late Kobe Bryant and their fascinating quest to co-write a book for middle-grade kids. Gus and Annie explore some real insights as to how Kobe was as an individual, a professional, and a creative force. This exclusive interview is a rare treat to understand Kobe and Annie’s drive and professionalism throughout the creative process.

Hey everyone. Welcome to anotherepisode of huddle up with Gus, I'm your host, former NFL quarterback GusFrerotte and welcome to the new 16 31 digital new studio. You know, somepeople say no news is good news. Well I say to those people you've never read.16 31 digital news dot com. Go to 16 31 digital news dot com to get your latestnews, sports, music and entertainment and maybe even listen to your favoritepodcast. Follow up with Gusts. Check it out today at www. 16 31 digital newsdot com. Huddle up with Gusts is brought to you by Vegas sportsadvantage, clients of Vegas. Sports advantage are winning big in 2021 youcan be a part of the winning two. As of june 1st $100. Bettors are up $3700 500dollars. Bettors are up $18,500 and $1000. Bettors are up $37,000 and $5000.Bettors are up $185,000 become inclined today by clicking the link in thedescription below and use promo code, huddle up To take 25% off your packagetoday. Thanks to our partnership. Welcome to what surely will be a doozyof a matchup brian here. Sports fans. Whether your game is on the gridiron atthe diamond or on the links, we can only say welcome to this week's huddle up withgusts. 15 year NFL quarterback Gus parents passion for sports has takenhim on the field and behind the bench is playing for seven NFL franchiseswith 114 TVs under his belt, Gust knows who the players are and how the gamesare one. Uh, it's not every day you get to hang out with an NFL quarterback up.Okay, sports fans from the decked out and plush 16 31 digital studios, it'skick off time. So snap your chin straps on and get ready to huddle up with us two left awesome. Hey everyone, welcome to anotherepisode of huddle Up with Gus, I'm your host. 15 year NFL quarterback GusFrerotte. Uh I want to welcome all of you to the show. You can check me outand huddle up with dust dot com or ever wherever you listen to your favoritepodcast. We are hosted by our great friends at Sounder FM. Uh, so you cango to Sounder FM and check them out. If you want to host a podcast, check themout. They do a great job with transcription and helping you be themost successful that you can be. I also want to thank our friends at 16 31digital news in my team, brian Baumann and terry Shulman. Thank you guys somuch. And also don't forget to go check our partner out at Vegas sportsadvantage. Use my code huddle up And save 25% and hopefully you can win somecash. These guys are great at data and analytics. They're going to give youthe best odds of winning on whatever team you want to pick our players. Sogo to Vegas sports advantage, put in my code huddle up And save 25% today.We're joined by a great guest. I'm looking very forward forward to uh,talking with her because she wrote a few books with the late great KobeBryant. Um, and we dearly miss him and we thank him for everything he did for,for sports, uh, in our country and around the world. But joining us todayis author and poet and former professional squash player anne Matthewanne, how are you doing? I'm doing well. I'm glad to be on the show. Thanks forhaving me well. Thanks for coming on. So you know, we talk a lot about howsports shapes your life and tell us a little bit about growing up inphiladelphia and when you can, the first moment you remember falling inlove with sports, oh man, I was so young. So my memories aren't great, butI, I started playing tennis and then my sister, they offered this free squashclinic and my sister took a class and I watched her and I remember thinking, um,I could do that, I could do that really well and just going out there andreally feeling as though everything kind of clicked squashes, this game oflike very precise angles and lines and I think kind of the precision reallyappealed to me. I'm like really a perfectionist and um just kind offeeling like you were aiming for this one little tiny spot on the wall and ifyou really worked hard you could get that precise little spot. Just reallyappeal to all of my perfectionism. Yeah, it is, it's very difficult games. Sodid you play any other sports growing up? I know you said you were in Phillyand then you moved around a lot. Did you move to other places or just inPhilly? We moved to lots of places in Philly, like different neighborhoods inthe city and in the suburbs. Um so um yeah, it wasn't moving to othercountries or anything, but I did play a lot of sports and love them all. Um forme, I just left sort of the freedom involved getting outside running aroundor in the case of squash inside. Um again, sort of just that practicingtoward perfection I think was really...

...appealing to me, like just reallyfocusing on these kind of repetitive drills that you could do in order toget yourself closer to perfect. I just really loved being able to do that.Yeah, squash is a game that like every little hit matters and it's, you know,we're racquetball, I felt like anybody could just go in and play because theball is going to bounce, going to come back to you at some point. Obviously ifyou're good, you're gonna get wore out and that personal standing in themiddle of the court and you'll be running around like a chicken with yourhead cut off. But I didn't, I found squash to be, I mean it's very taxing,it's the same way, but it's just, it's like you said, it's so more, so muchmore precise and you have to be so much more accurate to score in that game.Yeah, yeah. And you have to be, you have to be so focused on kind of everylittle detail, which is something I used to talk with Kobe about a lot whenwe were working on the descriptions of tennis and the legacy books. Um, justlike you have to be hearing everything in order to be precise. You have tolike here the way the ball hits the strings, they're here, the way yourfoot hits the ground. Um, and you, of course you have to be seeing everything.You have to be kind of feeling all the precise angles of your wrists and yourfeet and your shoulders. Um, and it just requires so much presence, I thinkin a way that has helped me, I think, you know, it helps me in sports, but ithelped me in my writing certainly and I think in other areas of my life. So yougo to high school, where did you go to high school? Um, I went to high schoolactually. I went to a few different schools because my mom taught, she wasa teacher at schools and so I would sort of go to the different schoolswhere she taught okay and so then you go to college and what did you study incollege, were you in journalism, where you in creative writing? What was yourmajor in college, whose english literature? Um So I did a lot ofreading books from like You know poetry in the 17th century to contemporarynovels. Well so do you are you a voracious reader? Yeah, I am a veryinteresting I would say from the time I was a little kid fighting sports andread it and we're kind of my to my two big gloves. Yeah that that would be umkind of what you have to, we just we just um spoke with on another show andauthor keith herschel and he talked about, you know I said how do you write,like he had this great career in sports and then he became a writer and he'swritten five books now and I said you know where does the writing come from?He said well I just started to write journaling and then he said the otherkey component is reading, you have to read a lot to learn how to write reallywell. Uh yeah, I think that's really true and something that really inspiredme about Kobe working with him, he was just a voracious reader, he'd read likeevery single Children's book, every single fairy tale, every single middlegrade book, there wasn't a middle grade book that he hadn't read in order toprepare for ready in this series, which yeah, I just found very inspiring. Sothe first book you wrote with Kobe legacy in the Queen led to obviouslythe second book Legacy and the double. So tell us a little bit about this bookand writing it with Kobe and why you took this role on. Yeah, I mean, Ithink I I took the role on in part just because it was so thrilling to, youknow, in the middle of a Tuesday morning at a phone call from KobeBryant saying he had this fully formed idea about a middle grade book thatcombined elements of fairy tale and sports um in order to inspire youngathletes. Um it's just I was like such a wild, thrilling, exciting idea to me.So I think I took it on like in that spirit at first, but the more I workedwith him, the more excited about the project I felt I just, he had thesereally clear ideas about how he wanted to inspire kids to be better versionsof themselves, greater versions of themselves and I felt kind of inspiredby them also. So I hope a lot of kids will read them because I think they'refull of great ideas. Yeah, because uh my mistake was Kobe from Philly to yeah,he was from Philly to and actually um when I was living on the main line, hewas going to lower Marianne which was so I remember you know, I never knewhim but he was a presence in my life even then. Yeah, so are you a bigsports fan? I feel like I can't claim to be that big of a sports fan. Myhusband is a very big sports fan. So I know what being a real sports fan islike and I am nowhere close to that, but I do love watching sports. So Iwould say that's where I stand. Yeah, but you're knowledgeable like you knewum about Kobe and you knew his story and everything about him, right? Yeah,yeah. And I you know, I like watching basketball particularly so I certainlywatched him playing many brilliant games. Yeah, so that had to be prettyexciting. And how long was the first conversation did he kind of just lay itout what he wanted to do first, did you...

...or did he just say are you interested?How did that go? Yeah, it was sort of an amazing conversation. Um it tooklike a little while for me to believe that it was actually Kobe Bryantbecause I was like why would Kobe Bryant you calling me on a Tuesday? Umbut it was actually sort of a long conversation, he had read my eye undera different name, I had written novels and he had read my novels and just inlike a very kind way, wanted to talk to me about them first. Um so we talkedabout my novels and then he proposed this idea, which again was like reallyfully formed, He had developed all the characters himself and had storylinesfor them and and just also, I mean beyond just the characters and thestorylines, he had imagined the entire universe of them. He had names for thecountries and um you know, names for the different rulers and he haddeveloped a whole political system and just really truly incredible how muchdetail and how much work he had put into developing this entire fantasticalworld. So that first conversation, did he explain this all to you? Yeah, hedid kind of, I think it lasted a couple of hours and find me and then he sentme some documents, you know, he had outlines and um you know, descriptionsof the various facets of the world and I mean, I think really fascinatingideas for sort of politically how it worked. He wanted it to represent kindof the flaws with our current democracy and how fractious it is and um he hadum you know, and the inequities also that he felt were um sort of glaringand he had sort of laid out this entire political system, that was kind of anallegory for our contemporary system. Um but you know, down at this plan andyeah, it was pretty incredible, hey, head off with Gus listeners,Manscaped, well, they sent me uh they hooked me up with a bunch of tools andformulations for their package three point oh kit. So you know, I want toshow you guys what's in the perfect package, right? We all think we got aperfect package, but they sent me the perfect package, three point oh kid, Iwant to show you what they sent me. So it was crazy. It came in this great box.Uh you know, and you can see what it says, They will thank you because theysent us this awesome trimmer. They sent us uh you know, stuff that makes yousmell better and then uh you know, they sent me this great uh some boxers, youwhat you get right, protect them and then uh you know, they sent me thiscool game sat I guess you want to call it to store all your stuff in. So uhit's been great. Manscaped sent me a bunch of products. Um you know, and youknow, you can see it all on here. Uh you know, you can go to Manscaped dotcom and put in the code. Uh Gus Frerotte, that's G U S F R E R O T T E.Get 20% off and free shipping when you use that code, but you can get a kit,you can get individual items like uh this way cool groomer that has a littleLED light, um ceramic. these things come apart, they're waterproof, you cando a lot with them. So you know, Manscaped is great. You know, it'sfunny money. I remember when I was playing with the Denver broncos and I'mnot going to mention any names, but there was a gentleman who was playingon our team and uh, you know, if you ever hears the story, you'll knowexactly what I'm talking about. But he brought his own clippers in one timeand he used to trim his beard up his goatee and everything and he had himthere for about two or three weeks and he goes in around the corner, he walksin and there's a person, another player that is actually manscaping with hisbeard trimmer. So you know, one of the things is, you don't want to use thesame trimmer down there that you use up here. So uh, he kind of freaked out alittle bit and he said, hey, how long have you been using that tool there?And he said, well, showed up here about three weeks ago and I've been using itever since. So you know, there is a lesson learned that, you know, don'tleave things out and probably uh, if it would have just said manscaped on it,uh, we wouldn't have had that issue, but it's probably one of the funniest,uh, taking care of your balls stories I've ever heard or been around in thelocker room in the NFL, so it's a great story. Um, but you know, I always saidthere was no way to know, there's no name on it and the guy was just usingit and another guy was using, it was not good, but it's a heck of a funnystory. So one of the best I've ever heard in my 15 years playing in theleague. Um, but you know, there's so...

...many great things about Manscaped whatthey're doing, uh, because guys, you got to take care of yourself eventhough I got great hair, um, and getting older, but you still have tomaintain some sort of grooming, right? And so, uh, you know, we all work outfor me. I like working in my yard, doing those things now that I'm retired.Get a little sweat on and everything. You want to smell good. Uh, you know,you got to take care of yourself. They've got some great products, uh,you know, this one, uh, a little uh, ball deodorant, we'll need that hereand there um, after, you know, working the yard, taking a hike, doing a walk,whatever you do. Um, it's a great thing, but there's so many great products. Um,I want to thank Manscaped for sending them to me. Um, uh, the lawnmower 3.0obviously you can use it anywhere in your body, but I'm sure you guys haveall seen the commercials, but this is one just letting you know that uh thelawnmower three point no, comes with the perfect kit, you can buy thelawnmower by itself by all these products individually. They even sentme this wonderful shirt, you can see the back, your balls will thank you andthen appears the front. So it's an awesome shirt. They have great gear.And you know what? Sometimes you can just sit back, take care of your ballsa little bit and and read the paper. So think man's Cape even has their owndaily news here, so which is great. So don't forget that you can go to theCode Gus Frerotte and that's G. U. S. F. R. E. R. O. T. T. E. Uh And you cansave 20% on any products, the complete the perfect uh package gift set and uhyou know you can save 20% and get free shipping. So use the code Gus Frerotte,G. U. S. F. R. E. R. O. T. T. E. Hey everybody spells my name wrong, theyeven spelled wrong in the back of my Pro bowl jersey. So you know, I gotta Igotta help you guys out. So don't forget how important it is that you usethese products, take care of yourself down below uh and have some fun right,there's nothing closer to you than your little buddies. Uh So use the lawnmoweruh use the code Gus Frerotte, save 20% and get free shipping and uh order somegreat manscaped products. So uh Mhm. Yeah. Uh huh. Okay. Yeah, I think that um you knowknowing about him and I knew how passionate was obviously to be thatgreat. You have to be super. I think it's exactly what yousaid in the beginning about playing squash or why you loved it. You know,it was accuracy, it was a precision, it was working hard to get to that onelittle spot and understanding he knew that about basketball. All right, thatwas him in and out and to know that he did the same thing when it came to uhkind of writing this middle aged book, this middle grade novel. It doesn'tsurprise me, you know? Really? Yeah, I know, I think I realized now that itshouldn't have surprised me. I think it did surprise me in a little a littlebit in the beginning because it's just hard to imagine someone having energyto do that in two different realms. You know, like you spend so much energygetting to the heights where he was in basketball and then to start all overagain in this new realm. It's incredible. I can't think of that manypeople in the history of the world who have done it, you know, But it reallyhe just had that much energy I think, did he tell you like when he started toreally think about this, was he still playing? It was that after he retiredhe told me he had been starting to think about it while he was stillplaying and I can only imagine that he was because he had done so much workand these ideas were so developed and I started working with him I think only ayear after he had retired. So I can only imagine that it was the product oflike really years of thought on his part. Yeah, I couldn't imagine thatthat had to be pretty exciting and uh to take all this and I think he hasdaughters and I understand that you know how that is when you havedaughters, you wanna you wanna think of a better world for them, how can I helpthem through this? And it was with some of that um thinking going into whatKobe was doing. Yeah, absolutely. It was the main character of legacy ofcourse is like a c who is a girl and she's trying to figure out how to bethe greatest version of herself in the world of sports and for him thatinvolved accepting all the different aspects of herself. So the aspects ofherself that were easy to accept, like...

...the fact that she's loving and kind andgenerous, but also the aspects of herself that are harder to accept, likethe fact that she's ambitious and she gets really angry and she feels selfishand she is driven and I think for me as a girl growing up playing sports, therewas always this really tough conflict between how I thought girls were meantto behave, which is nice and apologetic and um generous and then how I saw thegreat athletes behaving which is driven and focused on themselves and um andyou know sometimes angry and full of passion and I think his message whichwas really about like connecting to all the different versions of yourself inorder to become the greatest, biggest, most vibrant version of yourself, um itjust really moved me as a person who had had those experiences growing upplaying sports and um I felt like it was really important, Yeah, I feel likeum Kobe really wanted to help everyone indifferent ways, you know, he has, he, I think he had a whole camp and clinicshe did and he built like gyms and things like that and obviously doingthis, his legacy was was growing exponentially like not just in onerealm like you said, but in different areas and it's amazing to see how hewould expand because not all these athletes have that ability to do thosetypes of things, but you know, that was amazing and so when you're working withsomebody like that, is it giving, bouncing off a lot of ideas, are youlistening or how does that give and take go with him? Um that's certainly interestingquestion, there was a lot of give and Take, he really wanted me to feelempowered as a collaborator and not just you know, listen to his ideas andtake them. So I did do a lot of like pushing back on ideas that I didn'tthink would work as well on the page. Um But it was just really a veryvibrant exchange I think is the best way I can describe it. There were yearsin the process where I was texting with him like all day um about ideas that hehad about about the story and um you know on a saturday I'd be at IKEA withmy husband and he would tell me about my idea for legacy. Um and he just youknow, he was nonstop, he was just like so determined and um full of energy.Yeah. You know that is amazing because that sounds like what he would do. Likeyou're trying to be like normal go I'm going to IKEa Lows whatever. And KobeBryant's texting me and saying, hey I got this great idea, you know, weshould do this. And so how do you are you writing notes when you're in thestores or what are you doing? Yeah, I had to have like a very vivid memory oflike sitting down in the middle of the kitchen where a section of IKEA tostart, you know, it was just like really wanted to finish. My husbandwanted to murder me because I dragged him to IKEA. But yeah I took a lot ofnotes, there was a lot of kind of transcribing texts under my emails. Andum yeah and he would sort of send me, he also had this team of artistsworking on visual representations of the world. So he would send me theselike beautiful visual represent representation sometimes to inspire me.Um He had all these like he hired a historian at one point to tell me aboutthe um you know the government of Ancient Rome because he wanted to pullon some of the like punishments that they use intimidating tactics that theyused. And um you know he paid for me to go to Florence because he wanted theworld to be inspired by Florence and I've never been. So um she sent me toFlorence and um he just like he wanted this to be the best um that it could beand he wanted to stop at nothing to get there. Right. So he gave you all theseincredible ideas. He had all the kind of thoughts of what it was. But youbasically did the writing and did he would you just right and then send itto him and say, you know, and he would kind of red line in or how would thatwork for you? Yeah, exactly. He read every draft and I had a ton of notesand every draft and there were times when I was like enough notes but youjust you know, he was a perfectionist and he wanted it to be right. And umgenerally even in the moment when I was kind of reluctant to revise again now,I'm glad I did because I think he was right, So right, okay. And then, andthen when his accident happens, I mean it was devastating for everyone in thecountry in the world and the basketball community and that had to be so hardfor you. Yeah, I mean, I I can't imagine what it was like for his family.So it's hard for me to talk about what it was like for me because bigger lossfor his family. But it was really hard. He meant a lot to me and I was reallyinspired by him. So um it was just a...

...terrible loss. It is, you know, and uhyou know, uh thoughts and prayers go out to his family obviously. And thatis hard when somebody like that. But you spent a lot of time when, whenyou're doing these passion projects, like he's doing right, It's he'swriting this for his girls. He's writing it to help other kids to tofigure out their dreams and don't let anything stop you. You probably reallygot connected to him in a way. A lot of people don't Yeah. Yeah. I mean I do, II think about him all the time. I think there's there aren't really many daysthat pass that I don't think about him. Um I just wish you were still aroundbecause I think he was doing great things and I loved being able to talkto him about books and art and the history of Rome and I just, you know, Imiss him. Yeah, I'm so sorry and I just think that this is so interestingbecause people love behind the scenes things about everyone, right? We knewhim out in the forefront and he played in front of millions on tv the greatbasketball star, you knew him and his other side, which is amazing and andthank you for sharing that with us. And I think that gives us two insight towhat made him great. It wasn't just basketball and I think that's why thesebooks were so important for him to tell the story of. Yeah, yeah, I meancertainly it wasn't just basketball. Um but I also feel as though in basketballyou saw everything that that made him so great, like that precision, thatdrive, that passion, that um that real desire to change things, you know, youchange this sort of basketball and I think he wanted to change the world andhe wanted to change the lives of young girls playing sports and um you know,he had a lot of desire to make things better. So why um did he pick tennis,like did he have the tennis, whole theme picked out before he met you orwas that after he talked with you? Yeah, I know that he had picked up the tennisbefore he talked to me. He took tennis lessons. So I know he was just, heliked tennis, he liked to play himself. And I also think he loved to watch. Hewas a big fan of a lot of tennis players like Naomi Osaka guns, serenaWilliams and he talked about them. Um, and I think he was close with them also.So um they were, they were women who inspired him and um I think he wasexcited to kind of draw some of that into the book. Yeah. You know, it's,and while it's interesting to me that tennis is something that he chosebecause he played a team sport, but basketball is also individual. I meanobviously he's one of the greatest individual players, but basketball is abig team sport where tennis is more very individual, right? You're outthere. It's kind of like squash, uh where you're just, that's you andyourself and you're you're battling, you don't have something goes wrong. Idon't have that trust or that I can't lean on that team mate. It's you. Andso it's interesting that he picked tennis. Yeah, I do think it's reallyinteresting for that reason. I never actually asked him now. I wish I hadwhy, why tennis as opposed to any other sport. He was excited about it. And soit seemed natural, but I wish I asked. Yeah. So, so then at the time of thisaccident where you guys finished with legacy in the double. Um no switches, a real sadness for me.I wish she had gotten the final version. Um and in fact I had handed into him aversion that he didn't love. Um so that's really sad to me like that. He,I really revised it according to his notes and I'm really, really proud ofhow it ended up. Um and I wish he had gotten to see the to see the finalversion because I think he would have been proud to yeah, it had to be sohard for you to finish that uh and and finish that book. So how close were youwith his wife also because obviously they were very close. We're very closefamily. I never got to get very close with her. Are mostly corresponded withKobe on the phone or via text. We we talked or texted almost every day for acouple of years, but I never got to in person um meet Vanessa, which is sad tome because she seems like an incredible person. Right. Right. Right. So I mean,just this is just great. Um because of the legacy that he wanted to createthis. Incredible. I also try to start a podcast about legacy and why peoplehave a legacy and how did they started? Everyone has it for a different reasonand to know this about Kobe. It just expands his legacy even more. It'sincredible. Yeah. Yeah, I do, I think it's it's wild and incredible and umyeah, I wish I wish lots of people knew about this. So when you finish the bookyou rewrite it. Um who was the person, like, did you just say, okay, this isit, I know it or who is that person...

...that kind of helped, you said, okay, Ithink this is exactly what he would want. Yeah, we worked with an editoralso. Um so the three of us worked together really closely on everything.The editor is named Abby ranger. She's a really brilliant editor who lives inum in Oregon actually. But um so she was the one who saw the final version.And that was a big comfort because I know that she and Kobe we're really onthe same page about um their vision for the book, so at least I could show itto another person who had been involved in the process, right? Yeah, no, thatis great because um speaking with other authors that I've interviewed before,there's always those people that when you write a book or a novel, nonfictionfiction, whatever it is, there's that person that you let read first. Likekeith Hurston was like, my youngest son is you know, that's the one who will bemost honest with me? Yeah, there's always those people, do you all whenyou write, is there is there that one person that you kind of lean on? Yeah.And actually, I should say also Vanessa looked at every draft after, afterKobe's accident, she looked every draft, I was an incredibly engaged unhelpfulreader. She had, you know, and she was doing a million things at the same time,but she could give these like, you know, as detailed as Kobe. So I do feel liketo sort of equally, you know, precise and um perfectionoriented people must have found each other in that couple because she wasreally an incredible reader. Yeah. You know, and and I think so, howis this, how do you feel this book is going to help Children? Yeah. Um and Ishould say, um guess I'm so sorry, but I have a call at three that I have tobe on that I should go in a couple of minutes, but uh I hope this book willhelp young Children um you know, figure out how to be competitors um andembrace all all the aspects of themselves that will really help themthrive as competitors in the world, whether that's in sports or any otherarea. Um you know, the books about a girl who is coming into herself andlearning how to compete, learning how to withstand pressure, learning how tosort of move through burnout and I think those are all just reallyimportant Muslims for young kids to learn. Yeah, so please tell all of herfans in our audience how they can get the book and, and uh you know, maybewhere they can go to find it. Yeah, it's on amazon and even better if yougo to your local bookstore or call your local bookstore, you can request it andthey can get it for you in a few days. And it's just, I think it's a greatbook. I think it's a beautiful that I just got my final copy in the mail theother day and I think it's a lovely representation of this incredible worldthat Cody in Menton. Well, yeah, thank you, anne for joining us on huddle upwith gusts. I appreciate you sharing so much. Um, and I'm sure it's still hardfor you to talk about, but thank you for being so gracious with your timeand everyone needs to go out. Uh if you have kids, grandkids, um you're anuncle or an aunt, go get legacy in the double, go get legacy in the queen.Give them to your kids. Let them understand how to be competitor in lifeand in sports. So thank you very much anne for sharing your story and you'rein Kobe story on these great books with us. Well, thank you so much for havingme. Guess it's really been fun to talk to you about the projects and Kobe andit's been a pleasure. All right. Thank you everyone. Uh this has been anotherepisode of how to up with us. I appreciate all of you listening. I wantto thank anne Matthew. Uh, she co wrote, she she helped uh, Kobe Bryant who hadthis incredible imagination uh, to create this world that under helps kidsunderstand it in the way that we all would like to understand the world. Ithink he did an incredible job and he did an incredible job helping withthese books and go out to amazon, get legacy in the Queen and Legacy and thedouble and really enjoy it. Thank you very much, Annie and we'll see everyonenext time on huddle up with Gusts and that's a wrap sports fan. Thanksfor joining in the fun at the 16 31 digital studios for another to huddleup with Gus featuring 15 year NFL quarterback Gus Ferrand, huddle Up withGus is proudly produced by 16 31 Digital media and is available on applemusic.

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