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Amy Trask

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Welcome to Huddle Up with Gus, with 15-year NFL quarterback Gus Frerotte! On today’s show, a very special treat as Gus meets up with one of the most powerful women ever to hold a front office job in the NFL, Amy Trask. Amy is an American sports executive, author, and lawyer, currently living in California. She is the former CEO of the Oakland Raiders, a position she served in for decades. Amy had been so effective in her position with the Raiders that she earned the moniker of the "Princess of Darkness" by Raiders fans for her tough decisions and hard-driving management tactics. Amy currently serves as an analyst for CBS Sports and CBS Sports Network, appearing regularly on That Other Pregame Show and periodically on The NFL Today. Amy is one of the original group of panelists appearing on the first-ever all-women's sports talk show, We Need To Talk on CBS Sports Network and also written a book titled You Negotiate Like a Girl on her experience as an executive in the NFL. Gus and Amy talk about Amy’s involvement as the Chairman of the Board of Big3, a 3-on-3 professional basketball league.

Hey everyone. Welcome to anotherepisode of huddle up with Gus, I'm your host, former NFL quarterback GusFrerotte and welcome to the new 16 31 digital new studio. You know, somepeople say no news is good news. Well I say to those people you've never read.16 31 digital news dot com. Go to 16 31 digital news dot com to get your latestnews, sports, music and entertainment and maybe even listen to your favoritepodcast. Follow up with Gusts. Check it out today at www. 16 31 digital newsdot com. Huddle up with Gusts is brought to you by Vegas sportsadvantage, clients of Vegas. Sports advantage are winning big in 2021 youcan be a part of the winning two. As of june 1st $100. Bettors are up $3700 500dollars. Bettors are up $18,500 and $1000. Bettors are up $37,000 and $5000.Bettors are up $185,000 become inclined today by clicking the link in thedescription below and use promo code, huddle up To take 25% off your packagetoday. Thanks to our partnership. Welcome to what surely will be a doozyof a matchup brian here. Sports fans. Whether your game is on the gridiron atthe diamond or on the links, we can only say welcome to this week's huddle up withgusts. 15 year NFL quarterback Gus parents passion for sports has takenhim on the field and behind the bench is playing for seven NFL franchiseswith 114 TVs under his belt. Gust knows who the players are and how the gamesare one. Uh, it's not every day you get to hang out with an NFL quarterback up.Okay, sports fans from the decked out and plush 16 31 digital studios, it'skick off time. So snap your chin straps on and get ready to huddle up with us two left. Hey everyone, welcome toanother episode of huddle up with Gus, I'm your host, Gus Frerotte 15 year NFLquarterback and I want to welcome you to the huddle up with Dust podcast. Iwant to thank all of our friends sounder f M I want to thank 16 31digital news. Go check them out. We're on their platform as well. And alsowant to thank Vegas sports advantage. If you want to know who to bet for, goto Vegas sports advantage will help you make some cash. Don't ask me. I don'tknow. I'm terrible at it. My kids never asked me so I'm not the one to ask butgo to Vegas sports advantage. Use my code huddle up and uh, you know, youcan save a little bit of cash and hopefully win some. So today's guest,I'm really excited for, she's been in uh, the NFL circles for a long, longtime. Still talking about it today. She was an executive with the Raiders forthird. I think it was since 1983 is that correct? And also now you are thechairman of the board for uh, the big three, the three on three basketball,which is awesome and a lot of fun to watch. So joining me today on how to upwith Gus is Amy Trask Hi, amy. Hi Gus, thank you for saying hi, thank you forinviting me to join you. And before we get started, let me apologize to youand to anyone listening for the background noise. I'm hiding in acloset to give you as much quiet as possible, but the department of waterand power picked a lovely time to start jackhammering the street. So Iapologize and thanks for having me. Well, that, that's the, that's whatthey usually do. They come when you don't want them to come, it's mostinconvenient they show up. So I totally get it. So I want to, I appreciate youjoining me, even if it is from your closet. Um, so how, um, let's go back.You know, I know you're from California and tell me a little bit about growingup and kind of your,...

...you know what it was like for you withsports, What was your first memory or how you fell in love with sports? Well look kind of two types of sportsparticipation. Participatory sports things I did with my family uh, andthen spectator sports and you were right on the number of years youreferenced, I was with the Raiders for almost 30 years. I fell in love withthe game of football when I was in junior high, I just, I loved everythingabout the game. And as you well know, I certainly don't need to share this withyou. Obviously it's a very cerebral game. Yes, it's fast and it's powerfuland it's exciting, but it's also very cerebral. It's a game of matchups. Howdoes your linebacker match up against my running back? How do your cornersmatch up against our receiver? How does your past Russia, your past protectionmatch up against my past protection or my pass rush. It's a game of chess. Andyes, there are very fast, very strong, very powerful chest pieces. But I fellin love with the game when I was in junior high, I grew up in Los Angeles,I ultimately went to the Bay Area and was in school at cal Berkeley littleshout out from my golden bears and the Raiders at the time were just down theroad really and truly just down the road and I fell in love with everythingabout the Raiders. This was a team that, you know, the owner of which gavepeople second chances and third chances and more chances and more chances thanmany people thought he should have. And you know, you would watch football on,on television and you see the visiting team getting off the team buses andthey were wearing suits and carrying cases. And then you see the Raidersjust rolling off the bus looking like that. You know, the cat just draggedhim in. So having been labeled a behavior problem in kindergarten. Allof that resonated with me and I fell in love with the Raiders having alreadyloved football. And when I returned to Los Angeles to go to grad school, Icontacted the team about doing an internship and that's how my careerwith the team started. So wait, why were you labeled that when you were inkindergarten? Well, I think it would depend onwhether you ask the kindergarten teacher or whether you asked me. Iquestioned authority as early as kindergarten and I suppose um, one isnot supposed to do that when one is a kindergartner. There's a great story inthe family how at one point my mom picked me up and said, would you do inschool today amy? And I said nothing. And she said, no, I know you didn't donothing. What'd you do? Nothing? And she said, look, you can tell me yourtired, your hungry, you don't want to talk about it now, but you can't tellme nothing. What did you do in kindergarten? And I said nothing. Andshe pulled the car over and said, all right, I dropped you off. Then whathappened? I went into class then what happened? I got sent to stand in thecorner. Then what happened? I had to stand in the corner of the whole dayand she said does this happen often? And I said oh yeah every day. So shepulled a U. Turn and went back to talk to the kindergarten teacher, so you'regoing to have to talk to the kindergarten teacher, although not sureshe's around anymore. Right, right. So uh I think we've all been there. I meanI went to catholic school forever and I had some some uh nuns that weren't myfavorite, they had some yardsticks that I really didn't like. They used to usethose uh you know at will uh if you went outside the lines, even when youwere learning how to write, but what about sports? Did you play any sportsgrowing up? You know, we, we did things as a family. Um and we were active andwe were outside, but I did not play any organized sports. I wasn't um skilledenough in the view of many, including my view to do any organized team sport.I mean look sure, I mean we played on the playground and we did things likethat, but I was not part of a team, but a lot of that you learn like a lot ofkids learn about just how to play when...

...they're on the playground. I mean mostof my guests that I talked to, um they learn a lot from going out into theplayground with no coaches, no parents, nobody are out there and you learn howto pick teams, you learn how to um, you know, all of a sudden that's how youbuild trust. That's just how you learn to kind of play the games and be a partof a team. I certainly was like that. I don't know if you, you, you were likethat on the playground as well. Well, you do, you learn a lot, you learn alot about how you interact with others. You learn to be part of a team, youlearn what's acceptable when your plan with others and I should have mentionedbecause many do consider this a sport. I was a competitive equestrian for many,many, many years and my teammate, my, you know, other than my husband, myfavorite teammate of all time was my horse. Well, no, that's great becauseit's not easy riding a horse. I mean you have to have stamina, you have tohave, it takes a lot of skill to do that. So I think that's definitely asport. I mean that that's really hard. You know, every time I try to ride ahorse, I feel like this big oaf on them, I feel like I'm too big, they gottagive me one of those uh big horses that plow the fields. So I feel normal on it.There you go, you could get a Clydesdale and by the way, you know,with the olympics going on right now I am firmly in the camp with people whothink that when there's an equestrian event, not only should the winningrider get an award. So too should the horse because the horse and the rider,our teammates. Oh yeah, I think if, if that's the onlyway the jockey, like, if you watch the Kentucky Derby, anything like that, allthe races, um they have to be in sync if you've ever watched uh rodeos andbarrel and when they do the barrel racing, it's it's incredible to see thehow in sync they have to be. They're magnificent animals. Yeah, I want, mydaughter is a vet. She just graduated from penn vet school and uh she at, atthe University of pennsylvania, she had to go to the new bolton facility andshe loved working with horses and but she didn't want to do it. She's likedad, if I become a vet and I work with horses one kick can kill me. And shesaid I'd rather not deal with that. And I said, I get that, but they love you.And she goes, yeah, I love them too. But I think it's magnificent that she'sa vet, but I refuse to accept the fact that you are old enough to have adaughter who's a vet, so let's just move on because I just turned 50 last,No, no, no, no, I'm not. Uh because if you just turned 50, I don't even want,let's not do the math on that. But I do think it's tremendous that she's a vet.Oh she's awesome. She calls every day. She's doing night shifts at anemergency animal hospital in D. C. At friendship. And uh her stories are justinsane sometimes. So I'm really proud of her and she's doing a great job. ButI know you're a big animal lover too. And you look with Tony Larussa and hisum now what is his organization called that you work with? I am well, I'm anemeritus on his board of directors. I served on Tony's board for its calledTony La Russa's Animal Rescue Foundation. Now wait for it, get itAnimal Rescue Foundation that stands for Arf and I had the pleasure ofserving on his board of directors for many years. I'm now emeritus on theboard, but I'm still a huge supporter and stay involved with his events Andin addition to having saved the lives and found forever or forever family forover 45,000 cats and dogs. A new program was recently launched, pets andvets and it pairs up returning veterans who are suffering from PTSD and otherissues and the pairing with these for the most part dogs. But I'll tell yousomething about that in a minute. The pairing is magnificent. And you hearthe stories from these veterans who as I said have returned. They have ptsd,they don't want to or they can't um do...

...so many things. Things they do want toI misspoke because by the way, while I'm talking all the animals here arebarging into the closet where I'm sitting. So I got distracted for aminute. Um but you know these animals pair with the veterans and help them inevery regard and we had one veteran who said to Arf, I know that everybodywants to be paired with the dog, is it okay if I pair with a cat and Tony'speople said of course it's okay, but I just thought it was just great thatthis one returning veteran and we owe so much to these returning veteransthat the help that Tony is giving them with for the most part dogs, but in oneinstance a cat um is really magnificent. No, I think it's great, you knowbecause I mean I have two rescues right now and then I have we have a pitbullwhose about nine months old and uh they don't care what you went through,they're just happy to see you and I feel like that's probably so good forthe veterans, you know um where people can stigmatize them and you know ifthey have ptsd it's hard to talk about it and have a lot of people in myfamily who were in in a lot of the wars and in the Armed Forces for a long timeand and sometimes when you come home and you've had a rough day, the cats ordogs just just they let you melt kind of away and it just helps you feelbetter. They want two things they want to love you and they want to be loved.And the work that these dogs and cats do with returning veterans ismagnificent. There's actually another terrific charity, um, charitablefoundation down here in Los Angeles, actually, a little south of Los Angelesand um, I think it's in the Carlsbad area called Pegasus Rising and theyteam horses with returning veterans. And I went to an event for them and tolisten to this veteran who had just returned and was sharing with the groupthat he couldn't even leave his home without terrible, terrible anxiety andfear until he was paired with this horse. And you know, I'm convinced thatanimals in so many regards are so much better than so many people and theycertainly bring out the best in people. God, you sound just like my wife, right.We we lost three dogs last year and we have another three this year. So, uh,it was uh, you know, that's all, we've always had animals in our life. We weused to have cats and then we find out our daughter who becomes a vet isallergic to them. So she's taking yes, she's taking shots or whole life justbe able to get through that. But I think they are and I think you'reexactly right, they want to love you and they just want to be loved. Andwhen one dog doesn't get enough attention boy do they? That you knowwell I am now as I said sitting in a closet speaking with you to minimizethe noise and they're all running around here like a little crazy people.What kind of animals do you have all rescues which are the best kind ofanimals and a multiplicity of dogs, cats all of those things wow. Yeah sowe we actually just rescued a dog day bordeaux from a group in Philly calledMasters two months rescue. Wonderful. Yeah. So solly is great. We've had alittle over three months and I all he wants to do is go out every morning andplay fetch. Well I hope you do that with I will but you know I'm glad wegot to talk about that because you know some people see us as just what theysee on the news or on T. V. And and there's so much more when I study andand look at your your history and and uh what you've done you've accomplishedso much and it's due to really um I love what you said. It's just hard work.It doesn't matter who you are where you come from or whatever it is. It's justhard work and that's what I was always taught by my dad. Uh I learned that from my parents aswell that you know hard work matters. It really, really matters. And you know,any number of times people would come...

...into my office um and say, you know,ultimately I want a career like yours, I'm working towards a career like yours,How do I do that? How do I land where you are? And I would say, do you noticewhen you get here in the morning that my car is already here and then I'dwait a beat her too? And I'd say, and do you notice when you leave at nightthat my car is still here now? No, that's not all that matters, but itreally does matter, that one works hard. And I always say to people when youthink you can't work any harder to find a way to work harder. Yes. So where do you get that ethicfrom? Do you did you, what were you, what did your parents do that? Youlearned how to be resilient like that? Um You're you're you're right, it'sfrom my parents and they absolutely instilled in us the importance of hardwork. Um They both worked very, very hard. They grew up, you know, my momwas sort of nothing thing and my dad was just a smidge more than nothing andeverything they had was self made. And my mom's a very interesting story. Shegraduated college with a degree in chemistry at a time when women didn'tdo that for the most part, she was the only woman in her class, um graduatingwith a degree in chemistry and nobody was giving her a job offer. So finally,the last pharmaceutical company with which she interviewed um said thank youvery much. You know, we don't have anything available. And she looked atthem and she said, why is no one offering me a job? Everyone's offeredmy stupid lab partner a job. And without me, he's not even passingchemistry, why am I not getting a job offer? And they looked at her like howcan you not understand this? And and the guy said to her, you're a stunningyoung woman, you've got an enormous diamond on your left hand, you'regetting married, nobody's going to offer you a job because all you'regoing to do is have kids and leave and we don't want to spend the time andeffort training you. And she looked at him and said, oh okay. She went on andgot a master's degree and then she got a doctorate. And she devoted her careerto teaching Science and also to teaching teachershow to teach Science two girls and two kids and and to minorities kids thatnormally weren't given the opportunity to learn science the way she thoughtthey should learn science. So the reason I share all of that with you isshe had a special special respect and admiration and appreciation for AlDavis because he did for me what no one did for her at the beginning of hercareer, which is higher without regard to gender, right? Which is great. And and you knowwhen I was reading about it, it seems like um they brought you in because yousaid, hey look, I'm gonna work for free, it's an internship. And they were like,oh sure, come on in then. Yeah, you know, and I'm very quick to note gueststhat I do realize the tremendous, tremendous fortune I had that I wasable to do an internship for no pay and I am extremely cognizant that noteveryone has the luxury of doing that. Now, the good news is today. Nowadaysthose internships pay a million years ago when I did my internship, theydidn't pay and I do recognize how lucky I was, how fortunate I was that I coulddo one for no pay. But I was in grad school, I heard all these other kidstalking about these things called internships and external ships. So Icalled the Raiders. Uh the team had relocated to Los Angeles the same year.I graduated from college. The team had tried a few years earlier but beenordered back by the, by the court finally came down the year I came downfor grad school. So I picked up the phone and I said I'd like to do aninternship and they patched me through to someone who said, well what is that?And I said, well I'll work for you and...

...you won't pay me. And they said, comeon down and that's how I started my career. But again, I recognize howfortunate I was to be able to do that. But the good news is that, um todaythose internships pay. So did you when you went and did your internship foryou in all the different areas or did you want to stay in one area? Likebecause my son's in sport management, he just graduated from Delaware. He'sinterning at the Hall of Fame right now and he does, you know marketing? Yeah,he's in the marketing, he's in ticket sales. Like there's so many differentthings that are part of an organization like the Raiders. What did you do as anintern? Well, I think he's doing absolutely the right thing which is doas much as you can in every area that you can and learn as much as you can. Ijoin the organization as an intern in the legal department. But you know what?I went into the ticket office um, on the day or so before a home game and Ihelped alphabetize the will call envelopes and I went into the um,scouting department and I help them organize all the scouting material. Iwent to every department and said, how can I help? And that's another thing Itell people, yes, it's important that you fulfill your primary responsibility.But if you're part of a team, roll up your sleeves and help your team matesdon't sit there and talk about being a good teammate. If you're not rolling upyour sleeves and helping everyone you can in every department. You can let metell you something that I'm not telling you. I was going to be funny and saylet me tell you something, you know as you full well know if the left tacklecan't get his job done, if he needs some help blocking his man, the leftguard is gonna slide over and say let me help you. And you know it alwaysinterested me that people in the front office of an organization who wanted totalk so much about the importance of teamwork on the field of the left guardsliding over to help the left tackle? If the left guard could handle bothresponsibilities of the safety helping the corner? Who was having troubledefending his man? Well you know what if that's what you expect of teammateson the field, why should it be any different in the front office? So youknow if I could go into the ticket office and help them alphabetizedticket envelopes. A. I was helping, I was being a good teammate and B. I waslearning about tickets. So I think your son is doing the right thing and heshould help in every department. He can awesome. So do you think that becauseyou were there like you started as an intern and then they brought you back.They hired you. Um I don't know if it was one or two years later, but thenLike you were there for like you said almost 30 years. How much of a benefitwas that? Because you got to know I'm sure you knew everybody in thatorganization because I think that's so special when you can walk down thehalls and say hi to so and so on just saying instead of just saying hi, ifyou know what I mean, I do know what you mean and I think it has you know asI said, there's two sides to every coin. It was marvelous. Just magnificent tobe there as long as I was, I will forever cherish the memories. But theflip side of that is I grew up on the job. So you know I started as an internwhen I was in the early part of my twenties and I joined full time andsort of the mid part of my twenties, I not only grew up on, not only grew upwithin the job, I grew up On the job, not only in a job sense, but in agrowing up sense. So you know, I wouldn't I would just say this all ofmy mistakes that I made and I made a lot of mistakes they were with me thosewhole 30 years and I wouldn't trade it for anything. But growing up on a jobis um is a challenge, because you're living with those mistakes you madefrom day one and now the one person who, it might surprise many people to knowwas the most understanding of making mistakes and my growing up on the jobwas right. Yeah, that's what I figured is that hekind of you know, I I think that with mr Davis was just about you under youknow, he let you kind of expand and...

...grow and and he trusted you, that'swhat it sounded like, he really trusted you, you were the one up, you know, upduring the night and learning and doing all these things and let him sleepthrough the night, you know, that's kind of what it feels like. Well you'reabsolutely right, he did trust me, and the biggest misconception about him isthat you couldn't disagree with him. If that was true, I would have been fired2, 2.5 weeks into my job because he walked into a room, I was sitting withsomeone, he lit into that guy like I can only imagine if velociraptor wouldrip into flat and after a period of time I realized he was wrong, so I saidexcuse me, you're wrong, and I don't have a dainty voice at all ever. Um andhe look, I will never forget the look on his face when he turned around andlooked at me like what? And I said you're wrong, and he raised his voiceand I raised my voice and I said, look if the facts on which you are basingyour conclusion were accurate, it would be a fair conclusion, but you're basingyour conclusion on inaccurate data. And we had a huge argument and ultimately,after going back and forth for quite a period of time loudly to the point thateveryone in the organization gathered outside the office to listen to us andone woman got boxes because she figured I'd have to pack. Um he looked at me,he said, Okay, I got you, I got you. And we went on and I will tell youguess we disagreed more than we agreed over the 30 years, I was with him oralmost 30 years and that was fine with him, which is, which is awesome. That is,that is the way to go and what of what an organization that you know, he builtand then you got to sit right along and help them build it. I mean, I know thatyou were more on the executive side, the NFL side, dealing with all the dayto day stuff more than the player side, but I played with so many guys thatcame from the Raiders, one of my really good friends when I was with theRedskins past Danny turk. I don't know if you remember Danny, of course, ofcourse did I know, I will say, I never called him Danny, but of course Iremember that was just for you, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had, we had somuch fun in it. It was really sad when he, when he passed, but like, Oh man,just what an organization and what a place. And um, you've seen it grow nowto where it's in Vegas. And how do you feel, how do you feel about it movingand leaving and going to Vegas? Mixed emotion And these are not mutuallyinconsistent. Uh, it's a magnificent stadium. And for those fans that wereexcited by the move and are going to follow the team to Vegas, whether theylive in the Bay Area or elsewhere and they'll go to Vegas for the games. I'mdelighted for them and for the fans who are heartbroken. I'm heartbroken forthem. Hey, how come up with us listenersmanscaped. Well, they sent me, uh, they hooked me up with a bunch of tools andformulations for their package three point Oh Kit. So you know, I want toshow you guys what's in the perfect package, right? We all think we got aperfect package, but they sent me the perfect package, three point oh kid, Iwant to show you what they sent me. So it was crazy. It came in this great box.Uh, you know it and you can see what it says. They will thank you because theysent us this awesome trimmer. They sent us, uh, you know, stuff that makes yousmell better. And then, uh, you know, they sent me this great, uh, someboxers what you get right, protect them. And then, uh, you know, they sent methis, cool it, uh, sack, I guess you want to call it to store all your stuffin. So, uh, it's been great. Manscaped sent me a bunch of products, um, youknow, and you know, you can see it all...

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...can save 20% and get free shipping. Souse the code just for a G. U. S. F R E R O T T E. Hey, everybody spells myname wrong, they even spelled around the back of my profile jersey. So youknow, I gotta, I gotta help you guys out. So don't forget how important itis that you use these products, take care of yourself down below and havesome fun, right? There's nothing closer to you than your little buddies. So usethe lawnmower, uh use the code Gus Frerotte, save 20% and get freeshipping and uh order some great manscaped products. Uh Yeah. Uh huh. Mhm. And it's not mutually inconsistent tosay I'm happy for the fans who are happy and I'm sad for the fans who aresad. I mean the players have to be the visiting players have to be so upsetbecause there was nothing better than playing at the Raiders and then comingout before you got on the bus and grab a burger that was like, you rememberthat place, Oh my gosh, was that the best. I remember Trey johnson, we had aline and he was like 3 50 he grabbed three of them. I'm like, you know allthree and they're gone, oh there's no, there's no lineman that couldn't eatthree of them. But you know, you mentioned visiting the visiting teams,one paradigm shift. The organization is going to have to prepare for as fansare now allowed in the building because of course last year in the pandemic,they were not in Oakland. As you know, That stadium was full with what, 97,were Raiders fans. There will certainly be a lot of raider fans in Vegas aswell. Of course, of course, of course. But the team and the players are goingto have to get ready, meaning the organization and the players on theteam are going to have to get ready for a lot more fans of the visiting team.Because if you are fans of a team That is playing on the Raiders on the roadand you can go to only one road game. We're going to Vegas. Right? We all sawVegas vacation. You're going to Vegas. Well, unless you play for the dolphinsbecause when I played with the dolphins, it was all jets fans, new york. It wasall uh you know, new England fans because all the snowbirds came down.Yeah, that's how it was. Well, I I get you. So, so you're with the Raiders fora long time and you just learned all these skills, you become an executive.And then when was that point where you said, OK If I've kind of lived my timewith the Raiders, I'm going to move on, it was after all passed away anddeciding to leave was the hardest decision I've made in my life. Which bythe way, he's a clear, I recognize that that's a loud statement about how luckyI have been in life. But um I made a commitment to al about handling thetransition of his estate and and making sure there was a seamless transitionbecause there's a lot associated with that pursuant to league rules. And, youknow, after he passed away, got through that season. And then I started um whatI can only describe as my Hamlet to be or not to be only it was to stay or notto stay. And I ultimately made the decision to leave. And it was scary,scary scary, but it was the right decision. And you know, you alwayswonder when you make a decision like that, am I going to regret it? And um Idon't regret it. It was the right decision for me. Yeah. That you knowwhat that transition is hard, you've been doing the same thing for so long.It was like me, I played football for 25 years straight, right through highschool college, 15 years in the pros. And then like I was done and it's like,what do I do next? So what was that like when you, when you finally, well Itold my husband, I was very self aware that I was not going to be able tothink about what was next until I left. So I said to my husband, look I can'teven think about what I want to do next...

...until I decide if I'm leaving or not.And he said great fine. And I woke up the morning after I gave notice and Isaid I'm a blight on humanity, I have nothing to do. And um you know, very,very shortly thereafter CBS Sports contacted me and I um made a very, verydifficult decision. I'm not on camera with you because I hate being on camera.That's why you were presumably using a sock puppet for me. Um but I decided tojoin CBS sports, I'm thrilled that I did and I I am still with Cbs sportsand I love being part of the Cbs sports team and a number of years later icecube and his business partner, Jeff Kwatinetz contacted me about joiningthem in their Big Three endeavor and I am the chairman of the board of the BigThree and we are in the midst of a very very, very tough rebound after thepandemic. We had three seasons under our belt and we just had the wind wasat our back and like so many businesses we had to shut down for the pandemicand now we are you know working to come back from that, who's um so workingwith ice cube and that that group in the big three, was that his idea whoseidea was that, to develop that league ice cube. And his longtime businesspartner, Jeff Kwatinetz, It's their vision. It's their dream. What what what away? You know what? Soyou have this vision. I know he's ice cube. I mean we all know him. We all,we all, I mean what a story but to say like, hey I'm just gonna, he has toknow somebody to call NBA old NBA players up and say, hey you want tocomplain the big three and you know, let's make this thing a league and havesome fun. Um that had to be like uh I wonder how that worked. It was pretty,pretty strange. And now how do you guys get the players to come and be a partof a big three jean? It's not a question of us having to get them tocome, they are eager to join us. They see how committed a cube and Jeff andcommissioner Clyde drexler are to this league. And you know the players wehave, we have Hall of Fame coaches and we've got dr J and Charles, Oakley andGeorge Garvin and rick Mahorn and nancy Lieberman and lisa Leslie attractingplayers is not an issue, not an issue. I love it. Does he just walk aroundwith the name texas, the glide on it. Well, you know, I remember back to phislama Jama, oh my gosh, yeah, I mean they were incredible. Yeah. Andyou know, it's it's as I said, it was it was cubes vision. It was Jeff'svision and it's uh really an honor to help work with them and see this visioncome to life and look, the league is doing a lot of terrific things were theonly league where women are head coaches right alongside men when, whenClyde was a head coach his first year and then we, we made him into commissioner. So weneeded to replace him and I was sitting with cube and Jeff and Clyde and I said,how about nancy Lieberman and not one of them batted. I we hired nancy, Shecame out won the Championship her first year was voted coach of the year by allthe players and the other coaches. The next year Cuban Jeff decided to expandthe league. We added lisa Leslie as a head coach. She came out won thechampionship her first year was voted coach of the year, her first year. AndI remember, I don't remember, I think it was George Garvin, Someone saidwhatever they're doing, we got to figure out how to do it as well as theyare. Right, right. I interviewed nancy on the show. She was just unbelievable.She was so much is terrific. Yeah, she was so much, we had, we had a blastjust talking about her career and and growing up in the Bronx and playingplaying basketball and taking the train...

...and all these things was just amazingto hear her story. It is, it is a, it's such as I've listened to her talk,she's told me those stories as well. Um she is a success that everything shedoes, except for one thing, she has not been able to get me to be able to spinthat basketball on my finger. I just suck at that, I'm terrible at it too, Icould never do that. Why is that? Why do you think we're not good at that? Idon't know, I don't know. But you know what, you don't need your, yourathletic prowess, you don't need to spend that basketball, but I, I justcouldn't get it done. Yeah, but it's something you always want to do, likejust just sit there were kids that could just do it. I just, and I nevercould, I don't know why, you know, you can do a lot of things, you think youcan do a lot of things, but then something you think is simple like that,you just, I don't know, it's crazy. So tell me, tell our fans really quick umWhat, what do you do as chairman of the board of the big three now for, Welllook, we're starting, we're we're a startup entity. As I said, we had threeseasons under our belt, we were just hitting our stride, so to speak withthe wind in our sails A strong wind shut down for the pandemic right now.It's all hands on deck. Trying to see if we can build back from coming out ofthis pandemic. So we're right in the middle of the season. Um and look,we're dealing with pandemic issues like other sports are we see it in the NFL,we see players testing and having to sit, we see it in the NFL, we see it inbaseball. So we're dealing with all of the economic struggles of coming out ofa pandemic as well as pandemic related issues. So it's all hands on deck,whether it's cube or Jeff or Clyde or our new ceo christian in or any of uson the board, we're all doing anything we can to fight back out of thepandemic. And look, I have thought that cube um was a since the day, N. W Aburst on the scene. I have recognized what a musical genius he is and howjust so, so, so talented. I'll say it again, musical genius. Well, let metell you something. He is every bit as phenomenal at business as he is atmusic and he's an even better human being. So watching him work and Jeffwork and Clyde work. We all do everything we can to try to fight backfrom the pandemic. Yeah that you're you're right with everyone else. I meanI have a good friend who is a chef, He lost his job during the pandemic, heopened up a new place now, little bagel place and I've been helping him justbecause I know the struggle that they're all going through and you know,I can't wait to see the big three come back and and with you leading it, Iknow it's definitely going to get back on top. So tell me a little bit aboutthe book you wrote before we have to go here. Well, first of all you're verykind to say that I'm leading it. That's very generous. Cuban Jeff and Clyde areleading it. I'm just happy to be part of the team. I did write a book. Trustyou, I guarantee they There you go. We all thank you. We all do trust oneanother and I do that. That's very nice of you to note. And I do believe thatum I did write a book I've always loved to write. There was a period in my lifewhere I thought maybe I'd be a journalist or maybe I'd write spynovels. Um I never did either of those things, but I did enjoy writing a bookabout my years with the Raiders. It's reflections, it's fun stories, it's ummy mistakes that I made and and a lot of just various thoughts and it was alot of fun to write that and the moment I have a minute to breathe, I'm goingto write a kid's book, oh wow, what what it's going to involve, I'm nottelling, I'm not telling, it's going to be in involve rescue dogs, I can, I canalmost, I could feel it dogs, I'm not telling, but it will involve animals asa whole, I love it, I love it. My um...

I'm still waiting for my son to writehis book, we had a bulldog, he used to still all the ornaments off ourchristmas tree and he's like dad, we should write a book called, you shouldyou should do it together. So I said well mom and I'll write it and he goes,no, no, it's my story, dad, you're not writing it, so he yeah, I'm stillwaiting for him to write it. Well, that's awesome, Yeah, so it's great, Iunderstand it. So we get to catch on Cbs sports this fall and hopefully weget to catch you in the big three, see you on there, so tell our fans how theycan find you, how they can check you out on social media and my social mediaplatform is twitter, you know when I joined Cbs Sports, their pr people saidto me would you like to go on twitter and I said no, no, no, no, I am neverdoing that, never, never, never, never, I'm not doing that, that is so not me,I'm never doing it, then I joined twitter and I'm now fairly convincedthey must have invented twitter for me and of course I'm teasing when I saythat but you know but you're really good like you you respond you're reallygood at it. I love my twitter village. We exchanged thoughts in a reasoned andreasonable manner and when we disagree with one another we do so agreeably. Iwill tell you guys that in the years I've been on twitter um I can count ontwo hands the number of times someone has been nasty or what I'll you know Isound like a three year old and like you're being mean um but someone hasbeen nasty or mean and I'll respond and I'll say you know what fair enough youwant to disagree with me, disagree with me but you don't need to be mean, youdon't need to disagree. So disagreeable. E and all but two or three times I'vegotten an immediate response saying you know what amy you're right, we candisagree and we don't need to be disagreeable about it. So here's todisagreeing agreeably my twitter village, that's how we do it, it's atAmy Trask and I love twitter, I'm now you know and I say this tongue in cheekbut pretty sure they invented it for me right and guess should the big threeever be a location in a venue near you you are invited to be our guest. Oh Iwould love that, I would love that and I see that. What about the big three? Iknow they have some merch. If we could ever help you guys and promote it onthe show. We'd love to do that. That would be wonderful. Well thank you verymuch. I will make sure to get you a hat. Oh, I love that. Yeah. My head'sgetting bigger as I get older. I don't know why that is. I think it's justbecause I like Ben and jerry's now. I don't have to worry about what goingout running away from all the Raiders that are chasing me. Yeah, that's great.So I appreciate it. So I want to thank you so much for being on huddle up withGus and if you ever see your buddy ice cube and you tell them, hey, I got aguy that, that would love to have you on this podcast. That would be greatbecause I would talk all the Fridays with them in a heartbeat. I will do soand I thank you having me. It's been mypleasure and honor to join you. No, I really appreciate it. Amy it was great.I could talk to you forever because there's so many other things I want totalk about, Jeff Hostetler, Howie long playing pranks on each other. I meanthere's so many things I want to have, maybe that's for another time. Yeah,definitely. It is, I apologize that I have to jump now and by the way, onlybecause I was so honored to join you. Did I do this entire conversationsitting in a closet, but I was honored to join you. I do have to jump now andwe can maybe do that in the future. Okay, appreciate it. Amy and thank youfor joining me on huddle up with Gus, that's our show, everyone. Thank youfor joining us on the huddle up with Gus. Um I appreciate you listening. Iwant to thank Sounder FM for hosting us. I want to thank 16 31 Digital news anddon't forget to go Vegas sports advantage, putting my coat huddle up,save 25% and win some cash. So thanks again to Amy Trask, Go check out herbook and check her out at Amy Trask on twitter. She's the reason they madetwitter. So thanks for joining me on...

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