Huddle Up with Gus
Huddle Up with Gus

Episode · 1 year ago

Amy Trask

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Welcome to Huddle Up with Gus, with 15-year NFL quarterback Gus Frerotte! On today’s show, a very special treat as Gus meets up with one of the most powerful women ever to hold a front office job in the NFL, Amy Trask. Amy is an American sports executive, author, and lawyer, currently living in California. She is the former CEO of the Oakland Raiders, a position she served in for decades. Amy had been so effective in her position with the Raiders that she earned the moniker of the "Princess of Darkness" by Raiders fans for her tough decisions and hard-driving management tactics. Amy currently serves as an analyst for CBS Sports and CBS Sports Network, appearing regularly on That Other Pregame Show and periodically on The NFL Today. Amy is one of the original group of panelists appearing on the first-ever all-women's sports talk show, We Need To Talk on CBS Sports Network and also written a book titled You Negotiate Like a Girl on her experience as an executive in the NFL. Gus and Amy talk about Amy’s involvement as the Chairman of the Board of Big3, a 3-on-3 professional basketball league.

Hey everyone. Welcome to another episode of huddle up with Gus, I'm your host, former NFL quarterback Gus Frerotte and welcome to the new 16 31 digital new studio. You know, some people say no news is good news. Well I say to those people you've never read. 16 31 digital news dot com. Go to 16 31 digital news dot com to get your latest news, sports, music and entertainment and maybe even listen to your favorite podcast. Follow up with Gusts. Check it out today at www. 16 31 digital news dot com. Huddle up with Gusts is brought to you by Vegas sports advantage, clients of Vegas. Sports advantage are winning big in 2021 you can be a part of the winning two. As of june 1st $100. Bettors are up $3700 500 dollars. Bettors are up $18,500 and $1000. Bettors are up $37,000 and $5000. Bettors are up $185,000 become inclined today by clicking the link in the description below and use promo code, huddle up To take 25% off your package today. Thanks to our partnership. Welcome to what surely will be a doozy of a matchup brian here. Sports fans. Whether your game is on the gridiron at the diamond or on the links, we can only say welcome to this week's huddle up with gusts. 15 year NFL quarterback Gus parents passion for sports has taken him on the field and behind the bench is playing for seven NFL franchises with 114 TVs under his belt. Gust knows who the players are and how the games are one. Uh, it's not every day you get to hang out with an NFL quarterback up. Okay, sports fans from the decked out and plush 16 31 digital studios, it's kick off time. So snap your chin straps on and get ready to huddle up with us two left. Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of huddle up with Gus, I'm your host, Gus Frerotte 15 year NFL quarterback and I want to welcome you to the huddle up with Dust podcast. I want to thank all of our friends sounder f M I want to thank 16 31 digital news. Go check them out. We're on their platform as well. And also want to thank Vegas sports advantage. If you want to know who to bet for, go to Vegas sports advantage will help you make some cash. Don't ask me. I don't know. I'm terrible at it. My kids never asked me so I'm not the one to ask but go to Vegas sports advantage. Use my code huddle up and uh, you know, you can save a little bit of cash and hopefully win some. So today's guest, I'm really excited for, she's been in uh, the NFL circles for a long, long time. Still talking about it today. She was an executive with the Raiders for third. I think it was since 1983 is that correct? And also now you are the chairman of the board for uh, the big three, the three on three basketball, which is awesome and a lot of fun to watch. So joining me today on how to up with Gus is Amy Trask Hi, amy. Hi Gus, thank you for saying hi, thank you for inviting me to join you. And before we get started, let me apologize to you and to anyone listening for the background noise. I'm hiding in a closet to give you as much quiet as possible, but the department of water and power picked a lovely time to start jackhammering the street. So I apologize and thanks for having me. Well, that, that's the, that's what they usually do. They come when you don't want them to come, it's most inconvenient they show up. So I totally get it. So I want to, I appreciate you joining me, even if it is from your closet. Um, so how, um, let's go back. You know, I know you're from California and tell me a little bit about growing up and kind of your,...

...you know what it was like for you with sports, What was your first memory or how you fell in love with sports? Well look kind of two types of sports participation. Participatory sports things I did with my family uh, and then spectator sports and you were right on the number of years you referenced, I was with the Raiders for almost 30 years. I fell in love with the game of football when I was in junior high, I just, I loved everything about the game. And as you well know, I certainly don't need to share this with you. Obviously it's a very cerebral game. Yes, it's fast and it's powerful and it's exciting, but it's also very cerebral. It's a game of matchups. How does your linebacker match up against my running back? How do your corners match up against our receiver? How does your past Russia, your past protection match up against my past protection or my pass rush. It's a game of chess. And yes, there are very fast, very strong, very powerful chest pieces. But I fell in love with the game when I was in junior high, I grew up in Los Angeles, I ultimately went to the Bay Area and was in school at cal Berkeley little shout out from my golden bears and the Raiders at the time were just down the road really and truly just down the road and I fell in love with everything about the Raiders. This was a team that, you know, the owner of which gave people second chances and third chances and more chances and more chances than many people thought he should have. And you know, you would watch football on, on television and you see the visiting team getting off the team buses and they were wearing suits and carrying cases. And then you see the Raiders just rolling off the bus looking like that. You know, the cat just dragged him in. So having been labeled a behavior problem in kindergarten. All of that resonated with me and I fell in love with the Raiders having already loved football. And when I returned to Los Angeles to go to grad school, I contacted the team about doing an internship and that's how my career with the team started. So wait, why were you labeled that when you were in kindergarten? Well, I think it would depend on whether you ask the kindergarten teacher or whether you asked me. I questioned authority as early as kindergarten and I suppose um, one is not supposed to do that when one is a kindergartner. There's a great story in the family how at one point my mom picked me up and said, would you do in school today amy? And I said nothing. And she said, no, I know you didn't do nothing. What'd you do? Nothing? And she said, look, you can tell me your tired, your hungry, you don't want to talk about it now, but you can't tell me nothing. What did you do in kindergarten? And I said nothing. And she pulled the car over and said, all right, I dropped you off. Then what happened? I went into class then what happened? I got sent to stand in the corner. Then what happened? I had to stand in the corner of the whole day and she said does this happen often? And I said oh yeah every day. So she pulled a U. Turn and went back to talk to the kindergarten teacher, so you're going to have to talk to the kindergarten teacher, although not sure she's around anymore. Right, right. So uh I think we've all been there. I mean I went to catholic school forever and I had some some uh nuns that weren't my favorite, they had some yardsticks that I really didn't like. They used to use those uh you know at will uh if you went outside the lines, even when you were learning how to write, but what about sports? Did you play any sports growing up? You know, we, we did things as a family. Um and we were active and we were outside, but I did not play any organized sports. I wasn't um skilled enough in the view of many, including my view to do any organized team sport. I mean look sure, I mean we played on the playground and we did things like that, but I was not part of a team, but a lot of that you learn like a lot of kids learn about just how to play when...

...they're on the playground. I mean most of my guests that I talked to, um they learn a lot from going out into the playground with no coaches, no parents, nobody are out there and you learn how to pick teams, you learn how to um, you know, all of a sudden that's how you build trust. That's just how you learn to kind of play the games and be a part of a team. I certainly was like that. I don't know if you, you, you were like that on the playground as well. Well, you do, you learn a lot, you learn a lot about how you interact with others. You learn to be part of a team, you learn what's acceptable when your plan with others and I should have mentioned because many do consider this a sport. I was a competitive equestrian for many, many, many years and my teammate, my, you know, other than my husband, my favorite teammate of all time was my horse. Well, no, that's great because it's not easy riding a horse. I mean you have to have stamina, you have to have, it takes a lot of skill to do that. So I think that's definitely a sport. I mean that that's really hard. You know, every time I try to ride a horse, I feel like this big oaf on them, I feel like I'm too big, they gotta give me one of those uh big horses that plow the fields. So I feel normal on it. There you go, you could get a Clydesdale and by the way, you know, with the olympics going on right now I am firmly in the camp with people who think that when there's an equestrian event, not only should the winning rider get an award. So too should the horse because the horse and the rider, our teammates. Oh yeah, I think if, if that's the only way the jockey, like, if you watch the Kentucky Derby, anything like that, all the races, um they have to be in sync if you've ever watched uh rodeos and barrel and when they do the barrel racing, it's it's incredible to see the how in sync they have to be. They're magnificent animals. Yeah, I want, my daughter is a vet. She just graduated from penn vet school and uh she at, at the University of pennsylvania, she had to go to the new bolton facility and she loved working with horses and but she didn't want to do it. She's like dad, if I become a vet and I work with horses one kick can kill me. And she said I'd rather not deal with that. And I said, I get that, but they love you. And she goes, yeah, I love them too. But I think it's magnificent that she's a vet, but I refuse to accept the fact that you are old enough to have a daughter who's a vet, so let's just move on because I just turned 50 last, No, no, no, no, I'm not. Uh because if you just turned 50, I don't even want, let's not do the math on that. But I do think it's tremendous that she's a vet. Oh she's awesome. She calls every day. She's doing night shifts at an emergency animal hospital in D. C. At friendship. And uh her stories are just insane sometimes. So I'm really proud of her and she's doing a great job. But I know you're a big animal lover too. And you look with Tony Larussa and his um now what is his organization called that you work with? I am well, I'm an emeritus on his board of directors. I served on Tony's board for its called Tony La Russa's Animal Rescue Foundation. Now wait for it, get it Animal Rescue Foundation that stands for Arf and I had the pleasure of serving on his board of directors for many years. I'm now emeritus on the board, but I'm still a huge supporter and stay involved with his events And in addition to having saved the lives and found forever or forever family for over 45,000 cats and dogs. A new program was recently launched, pets and vets and it pairs up returning veterans who are suffering from PTSD and other issues and the pairing with these for the most part dogs. But I'll tell you something about that in a minute. The pairing is magnificent. And you hear the stories from these veterans who as I said have returned. They have ptsd, they don't want to or they can't um do...

...so many things. Things they do want to I misspoke because by the way, while I'm talking all the animals here are barging into the closet where I'm sitting. So I got distracted for a minute. Um but you know these animals pair with the veterans and help them in every regard and we had one veteran who said to Arf, I know that everybody wants to be paired with the dog, is it okay if I pair with a cat and Tony's people said of course it's okay, but I just thought it was just great that this one returning veteran and we owe so much to these returning veterans that the help that Tony is giving them with for the most part dogs, but in one instance a cat um is really magnificent. No, I think it's great, you know because I mean I have two rescues right now and then I have we have a pitbull whose about nine months old and uh they don't care what you went through, they're just happy to see you and I feel like that's probably so good for the veterans, you know um where people can stigmatize them and you know if they have ptsd it's hard to talk about it and have a lot of people in my family who were in in a lot of the wars and in the Armed Forces for a long time and and sometimes when you come home and you've had a rough day, the cats or dogs just just they let you melt kind of away and it just helps you feel better. They want two things they want to love you and they want to be loved. And the work that these dogs and cats do with returning veterans is magnificent. There's actually another terrific charity, um, charitable foundation down here in Los Angeles, actually, a little south of Los Angeles and um, I think it's in the Carlsbad area called Pegasus Rising and they team horses with returning veterans. And I went to an event for them and to listen to this veteran who had just returned and was sharing with the group that he couldn't even leave his home without terrible, terrible anxiety and fear until he was paired with this horse. And you know, I'm convinced that animals in so many regards are so much better than so many people and they certainly bring out the best in people. God, you sound just like my wife, right. We we lost three dogs last year and we have another three this year. So, uh, it was uh, you know, that's all, we've always had animals in our life. We we used to have cats and then we find out our daughter who becomes a vet is allergic to them. So she's taking yes, she's taking shots or whole life just be able to get through that. But I think they are and I think you're exactly right, they want to love you and they just want to be loved. And when one dog doesn't get enough attention boy do they? That you know well I am now as I said sitting in a closet speaking with you to minimize the noise and they're all running around here like a little crazy people. What kind of animals do you have all rescues which are the best kind of animals and a multiplicity of dogs, cats all of those things wow. Yeah so we we actually just rescued a dog day bordeaux from a group in Philly called Masters two months rescue. Wonderful. Yeah. So solly is great. We've had a little over three months and I all he wants to do is go out every morning and play fetch. Well I hope you do that with I will but you know I'm glad we got to talk about that because you know some people see us as just what they see on the news or on T. V. And and there's so much more when I study and and look at your your history and and uh what you've done you've accomplished so much and it's due to really um I love what you said. It's just hard work. It doesn't matter who you are where you come from or whatever it is. It's just hard work and that's what I was always taught by my dad. Uh I learned that from my parents as well that you know hard work matters. It really, really matters. And you know, any number of times people would come...

...into my office um and say, you know, ultimately I want a career like yours, I'm working towards a career like yours, How do I do that? How do I land where you are? And I would say, do you notice when you get here in the morning that my car is already here and then I'd wait a beat her too? And I'd say, and do you notice when you leave at night that my car is still here now? No, that's not all that matters, but it really does matter, that one works hard. And I always say to people when you think you can't work any harder to find a way to work harder. Yes. So where do you get that ethic from? Do you did you, what were you, what did your parents do that? You learned how to be resilient like that? Um You're you're you're right, it's from my parents and they absolutely instilled in us the importance of hard work. Um They both worked very, very hard. They grew up, you know, my mom was sort of nothing thing and my dad was just a smidge more than nothing and everything they had was self made. And my mom's a very interesting story. She graduated college with a degree in chemistry at a time when women didn't do that for the most part, she was the only woman in her class, um graduating with a degree in chemistry and nobody was giving her a job offer. So finally, the last pharmaceutical company with which she interviewed um said thank you very much. You know, we don't have anything available. And she looked at them and she said, why is no one offering me a job? Everyone's offered my stupid lab partner a job. And without me, he's not even passing chemistry, why am I not getting a job offer? And they looked at her like how can you not understand this? And and the guy said to her, you're a stunning young woman, you've got an enormous diamond on your left hand, you're getting married, nobody's going to offer you a job because all you're going to do is have kids and leave and we don't want to spend the time and effort training you. And she looked at him and said, oh okay. She went on and got a master's degree and then she got a doctorate. And she devoted her career to teaching Science and also to teaching teachers how to teach Science two girls and two kids and and to minorities kids that normally weren't given the opportunity to learn science the way she thought they should learn science. So the reason I share all of that with you is she had a special special respect and admiration and appreciation for Al Davis because he did for me what no one did for her at the beginning of her career, which is higher without regard to gender, right? Which is great. And and you know when I was reading about it, it seems like um they brought you in because you said, hey look, I'm gonna work for free, it's an internship. And they were like, oh sure, come on in then. Yeah, you know, and I'm very quick to note guests that I do realize the tremendous, tremendous fortune I had that I was able to do an internship for no pay and I am extremely cognizant that not everyone has the luxury of doing that. Now, the good news is today. Nowadays those internships pay a million years ago when I did my internship, they didn't pay and I do recognize how lucky I was, how fortunate I was that I could do one for no pay. But I was in grad school, I heard all these other kids talking about these things called internships and external ships. So I called the Raiders. Uh the team had relocated to Los Angeles the same year. I graduated from college. The team had tried a few years earlier but been ordered back by the, by the court finally came down the year I came down for grad school. So I picked up the phone and I said I'd like to do an internship and they patched me through to someone who said, well what is that? And I said, well I'll work for you and...

...you won't pay me. And they said, come on down and that's how I started my career. But again, I recognize how fortunate I was to be able to do that. But the good news is that, um today those internships pay. So did you when you went and did your internship for you in all the different areas or did you want to stay in one area? Like because my son's in sport management, he just graduated from Delaware. He's interning at the Hall of Fame right now and he does, you know marketing? Yeah, he's in the marketing, he's in ticket sales. Like there's so many different things that are part of an organization like the Raiders. What did you do as an intern? Well, I think he's doing absolutely the right thing which is do as much as you can in every area that you can and learn as much as you can. I join the organization as an intern in the legal department. But you know what? I went into the ticket office um, on the day or so before a home game and I helped alphabetize the will call envelopes and I went into the um, scouting department and I help them organize all the scouting material. I went to every department and said, how can I help? And that's another thing I tell people, yes, it's important that you fulfill your primary responsibility. But if you're part of a team, roll up your sleeves and help your team mates don't sit there and talk about being a good teammate. If you're not rolling up your sleeves and helping everyone you can in every department. You can let me tell you something that I'm not telling you. I was going to be funny and say let me tell you something, you know as you full well know if the left tackle can't get his job done, if he needs some help blocking his man, the left guard is gonna slide over and say let me help you. And you know it always interested me that people in the front office of an organization who wanted to talk so much about the importance of teamwork on the field of the left guard sliding over to help the left tackle? If the left guard could handle both responsibilities of the safety helping the corner? Who was having trouble defending his man? Well you know what if that's what you expect of teammates on the field, why should it be any different in the front office? So you know if I could go into the ticket office and help them alphabetized ticket envelopes. A. I was helping, I was being a good teammate and B. I was learning about tickets. So I think your son is doing the right thing and he should help in every department. He can awesome. So do you think that because you were there like you started as an intern and then they brought you back. They hired you. Um I don't know if it was one or two years later, but then Like you were there for like you said almost 30 years. How much of a benefit was that? Because you got to know I'm sure you knew everybody in that organization because I think that's so special when you can walk down the halls and say hi to so and so on just saying instead of just saying hi, if you know what I mean, I do know what you mean and I think it has you know as I said, there's two sides to every coin. It was marvelous. Just magnificent to be there as long as I was, I will forever cherish the memories. But the flip side of that is I grew up on the job. So you know I started as an intern when I was in the early part of my twenties and I joined full time and sort of the mid part of my twenties, I not only grew up on, not only grew up within the job, I grew up On the job, not only in a job sense, but in a growing up sense. So you know, I wouldn't I would just say this all of my mistakes that I made and I made a lot of mistakes they were with me those whole 30 years and I wouldn't trade it for anything. But growing up on a job is um is a challenge, because you're living with those mistakes you made from day one and now the one person who, it might surprise many people to know was the most understanding of making mistakes and my growing up on the job was right. Yeah, that's what I figured is that he kind of you know, I I think that with mr Davis was just about you under you know, he let you kind of expand and...

...grow and and he trusted you, that's what it sounded like, he really trusted you, you were the one up, you know, up during the night and learning and doing all these things and let him sleep through the night, you know, that's kind of what it feels like. Well you're absolutely right, he did trust me, and the biggest misconception about him is that you couldn't disagree with him. If that was true, I would have been fired 2, 2.5 weeks into my job because he walked into a room, I was sitting with someone, he lit into that guy like I can only imagine if velociraptor would rip into flat and after a period of time I realized he was wrong, so I said excuse me, you're wrong, and I don't have a dainty voice at all ever. Um and he look, I will never forget the look on his face when he turned around and looked at me like what? And I said you're wrong, and he raised his voice and I raised my voice and I said, look if the facts on which you are basing your conclusion were accurate, it would be a fair conclusion, but you're basing your conclusion on inaccurate data. And we had a huge argument and ultimately, after going back and forth for quite a period of time loudly to the point that everyone in the organization gathered outside the office to listen to us and one woman got boxes because she figured I'd have to pack. Um he looked at me, he said, Okay, I got you, I got you. And we went on and I will tell you guess we disagreed more than we agreed over the 30 years, I was with him or almost 30 years and that was fine with him, which is, which is awesome. That is, that is the way to go and what of what an organization that you know, he built and then you got to sit right along and help them build it. I mean, I know that you were more on the executive side, the NFL side, dealing with all the day to day stuff more than the player side, but I played with so many guys that came from the Raiders, one of my really good friends when I was with the Redskins past Danny turk. I don't know if you remember Danny, of course, of course did I know, I will say, I never called him Danny, but of course I remember that was just for you, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had, we had so much fun in it. It was really sad when he, when he passed, but like, Oh man, just what an organization and what a place. And um, you've seen it grow now to where it's in Vegas. And how do you feel, how do you feel about it moving and leaving and going to Vegas? Mixed emotion And these are not mutually inconsistent. Uh, it's a magnificent stadium. And for those fans that were excited by the move and are going to follow the team to Vegas, whether they live in the Bay Area or elsewhere and they'll go to Vegas for the games. I'm delighted for them and for the fans who are heartbroken. I'm heartbroken for them. Hey, how come up with us listeners manscaped. Well, they sent me, uh, they hooked me up with a bunch of tools and formulations for their package three point Oh Kit. So you know, I want to show you guys what's in the perfect package, right? We all think we got a perfect package, but they sent me the perfect package, three point oh kid, I want to show you what they sent me. So it was crazy. It came in this great box. Uh, you know it and you can see what it says. They will thank you because they sent us this awesome trimmer. They sent us, uh, you know, stuff that makes you smell better. And then, uh, you know, they sent me this great, uh, some boxers what you get right, protect them. And then, uh, you know, they sent me this, cool it, uh, sack, I guess you want to call it to store all your stuff in. So, uh, it's been great. Manscaped sent me a bunch of products, um, you know, and you know, you can see it all...

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...can save 20% and get free shipping. So use the code just for a G. U. S. F R E R O T T E. Hey, everybody spells my name wrong, they even spelled around the back of my profile jersey. So you know, I gotta, I gotta help you guys out. So don't forget how important it is that you use these products, take care of yourself down below and have some fun, right? There's nothing closer to you than your little buddies. So use the lawnmower, uh use the code Gus Frerotte, save 20% and get free shipping and uh order some great manscaped products. Uh Yeah. Uh huh. Mhm. And it's not mutually inconsistent to say I'm happy for the fans who are happy and I'm sad for the fans who are sad. I mean the players have to be the visiting players have to be so upset because there was nothing better than playing at the Raiders and then coming out before you got on the bus and grab a burger that was like, you remember that place, Oh my gosh, was that the best. I remember Trey johnson, we had a line and he was like 3 50 he grabbed three of them. I'm like, you know all three and they're gone, oh there's no, there's no lineman that couldn't eat three of them. But you know, you mentioned visiting the visiting teams, one paradigm shift. The organization is going to have to prepare for as fans are now allowed in the building because of course last year in the pandemic, they were not in Oakland. As you know, That stadium was full with what, 97, were Raiders fans. There will certainly be a lot of raider fans in Vegas as well. Of course, of course, of course. But the team and the players are going to have to get ready, meaning the organization and the players on the team are going to have to get ready for a lot more fans of the visiting team. Because if you are fans of a team That is playing on the Raiders on the road and you can go to only one road game. We're going to Vegas. Right? We all saw Vegas vacation. You're going to Vegas. Well, unless you play for the dolphins because when I played with the dolphins, it was all jets fans, new york. It was all uh you know, new England fans because all the snowbirds came down. Yeah, that's how it was. Well, I I get you. So, so you're with the Raiders for a long time and you just learned all these skills, you become an executive. And then when was that point where you said, OK If I've kind of lived my time with the Raiders, I'm going to move on, it was after all passed away and deciding to leave was the hardest decision I've made in my life. Which by the way, he's a clear, I recognize that that's a loud statement about how lucky I have been in life. But um I made a commitment to al about handling the transition of his estate and and making sure there was a seamless transition because there's a lot associated with that pursuant to league rules. And, you know, after he passed away, got through that season. And then I started um what I can only describe as my Hamlet to be or not to be only it was to stay or not to stay. And I ultimately made the decision to leave. And it was scary, scary scary, but it was the right decision. And you know, you always wonder when you make a decision like that, am I going to regret it? And um I don't regret it. It was the right decision for me. Yeah. That you know what that transition is hard, you've been doing the same thing for so long. It was like me, I played football for 25 years straight, right through high school college, 15 years in the pros. And then like I was done and it's like, what do I do next? So what was that like when you, when you finally, well I told my husband, I was very self aware that I was not going to be able to think about what was next until I left. So I said to my husband, look I can't even think about what I want to do next...

...until I decide if I'm leaving or not. And he said great fine. And I woke up the morning after I gave notice and I said I'm a blight on humanity, I have nothing to do. And um you know, very, very shortly thereafter CBS Sports contacted me and I um made a very, very difficult decision. I'm not on camera with you because I hate being on camera. That's why you were presumably using a sock puppet for me. Um but I decided to join CBS sports, I'm thrilled that I did and I I am still with Cbs sports and I love being part of the Cbs sports team and a number of years later ice cube and his business partner, Jeff Kwatinetz contacted me about joining them in their Big Three endeavor and I am the chairman of the board of the Big Three and we are in the midst of a very very, very tough rebound after the pandemic. We had three seasons under our belt and we just had the wind was at our back and like so many businesses we had to shut down for the pandemic and now we are you know working to come back from that, who's um so working with ice cube and that that group in the big three, was that his idea whose idea was that, to develop that league ice cube. And his longtime business partner, Jeff Kwatinetz, It's their vision. It's their dream. What what what away? You know what? So you have this vision. I know he's ice cube. I mean we all know him. We all, we all, I mean what a story but to say like, hey I'm just gonna, he has to know somebody to call NBA old NBA players up and say, hey you want to complain the big three and you know, let's make this thing a league and have some fun. Um that had to be like uh I wonder how that worked. It was pretty, pretty strange. And now how do you guys get the players to come and be a part of a big three jean? It's not a question of us having to get them to come, they are eager to join us. They see how committed a cube and Jeff and commissioner Clyde drexler are to this league. And you know the players we have, we have Hall of Fame coaches and we've got dr J and Charles, Oakley and George Garvin and rick Mahorn and nancy Lieberman and lisa Leslie attracting players is not an issue, not an issue. I love it. Does he just walk around with the name texas, the glide on it. Well, you know, I remember back to phi slama Jama, oh my gosh, yeah, I mean they were incredible. Yeah. And you know, it's it's as I said, it was it was cubes vision. It was Jeff's vision and it's uh really an honor to help work with them and see this vision come to life and look, the league is doing a lot of terrific things were the only league where women are head coaches right alongside men when, when Clyde was a head coach his first year and then we, we made him into commissioner. So we needed to replace him and I was sitting with cube and Jeff and Clyde and I said, how about nancy Lieberman and not one of them batted. I we hired nancy, She came out won the Championship her first year was voted coach of the year by all the players and the other coaches. The next year Cuban Jeff decided to expand the league. We added lisa Leslie as a head coach. She came out won the championship her first year was voted coach of the year, her first year. And I remember, I don't remember, I think it was George Garvin, Someone said whatever they're doing, we got to figure out how to do it as well as they are. Right, right. I interviewed nancy on the show. She was just unbelievable. She was so much is terrific. Yeah, she was so much, we had, we had a blast just talking about her career and and growing up in the Bronx and playing playing basketball and taking the train...

...and all these things was just amazing to hear her story. It is, it is a, it's such as I've listened to her talk, she's told me those stories as well. Um she is a success that everything she does, except for one thing, she has not been able to get me to be able to spin that basketball on my finger. I just suck at that, I'm terrible at it too, I could never do that. Why is that? Why do you think we're not good at that? I don't know, I don't know. But you know what, you don't need your, your athletic prowess, you don't need to spend that basketball, but I, I just couldn't get it done. Yeah, but it's something you always want to do, like just just sit there were kids that could just do it. I just, and I never could, I don't know why, you know, you can do a lot of things, you think you can do a lot of things, but then something you think is simple like that, you just, I don't know, it's crazy. So tell me, tell our fans really quick um What, what do you do as chairman of the board of the big three now for, Well look, we're starting, we're we're a startup entity. As I said, we had three seasons under our belt, we were just hitting our stride, so to speak with the wind in our sails A strong wind shut down for the pandemic right now. It's all hands on deck. Trying to see if we can build back from coming out of this pandemic. So we're right in the middle of the season. Um and look, we're dealing with pandemic issues like other sports are we see it in the NFL, we see players testing and having to sit, we see it in the NFL, we see it in baseball. So we're dealing with all of the economic struggles of coming out of a pandemic as well as pandemic related issues. So it's all hands on deck, whether it's cube or Jeff or Clyde or our new ceo christian in or any of us on the board, we're all doing anything we can to fight back out of the pandemic. And look, I have thought that cube um was a since the day, N. W A burst on the scene. I have recognized what a musical genius he is and how just so, so, so talented. I'll say it again, musical genius. Well, let me tell you something. He is every bit as phenomenal at business as he is at music and he's an even better human being. So watching him work and Jeff work and Clyde work. We all do everything we can to try to fight back from the pandemic. Yeah that you're you're right with everyone else. I mean I have a good friend who is a chef, He lost his job during the pandemic, he opened up a new place now, little bagel place and I've been helping him just because I know the struggle that they're all going through and you know, I can't wait to see the big three come back and and with you leading it, I know it's definitely going to get back on top. So tell me a little bit about the book you wrote before we have to go here. Well, first of all you're very kind to say that I'm leading it. That's very generous. Cuban Jeff and Clyde are leading it. I'm just happy to be part of the team. I did write a book. Trust you, I guarantee they There you go. We all thank you. We all do trust one another and I do that. That's very nice of you to note. And I do believe that um I did write a book I've always loved to write. There was a period in my life where I thought maybe I'd be a journalist or maybe I'd write spy novels. Um I never did either of those things, but I did enjoy writing a book about my years with the Raiders. It's reflections, it's fun stories, it's um my mistakes that I made and and a lot of just various thoughts and it was a lot of fun to write that and the moment I have a minute to breathe, I'm going to write a kid's book, oh wow, what what it's going to involve, I'm not telling, I'm not telling, it's going to be in involve rescue dogs, I can, I can almost, I could feel it dogs, I'm not telling, but it will involve animals as a whole, I love it, I love it. My um...

I'm still waiting for my son to write his book, we had a bulldog, he used to still all the ornaments off our christmas tree and he's like dad, we should write a book called, you should you should do it together. So I said well mom and I'll write it and he goes, no, no, it's my story, dad, you're not writing it, so he yeah, I'm still waiting for him to write it. Well, that's awesome, Yeah, so it's great, I understand it. So we get to catch on Cbs sports this fall and hopefully we get to catch you in the big three, see you on there, so tell our fans how they can find you, how they can check you out on social media and my social media platform is twitter, you know when I joined Cbs Sports, their pr people said to me would you like to go on twitter and I said no, no, no, no, I am never doing that, never, never, never, never, I'm not doing that, that is so not me, I'm never doing it, then I joined twitter and I'm now fairly convinced they must have invented twitter for me and of course I'm teasing when I say that but you know but you're really good like you you respond you're really good at it. I love my twitter village. We exchanged thoughts in a reasoned and reasonable manner and when we disagree with one another we do so agreeably. I will tell you guys that in the years I've been on twitter um I can count on two hands the number of times someone has been nasty or what I'll you know I sound like a three year old and like you're being mean um but someone has been nasty or mean and I'll respond and I'll say you know what fair enough you want to disagree with me, disagree with me but you don't need to be mean, you don't need to disagree. So disagreeable. E and all but two or three times I've gotten an immediate response saying you know what amy you're right, we can disagree and we don't need to be disagreeable about it. So here's to disagreeing agreeably my twitter village, that's how we do it, it's at Amy Trask and I love twitter, I'm now you know and I say this tongue in cheek but pretty sure they invented it for me right and guess should the big three ever be a location in a venue near you you are invited to be our guest. Oh I would love that, I would love that and I see that. What about the big three? I know they have some merch. If we could ever help you guys and promote it on the show. We'd love to do that. That would be wonderful. Well thank you very much. I will make sure to get you a hat. Oh, I love that. Yeah. My head's getting bigger as I get older. I don't know why that is. I think it's just because I like Ben and jerry's now. I don't have to worry about what going out running away from all the Raiders that are chasing me. Yeah, that's great. So I appreciate it. So I want to thank you so much for being on huddle up with Gus and if you ever see your buddy ice cube and you tell them, hey, I got a guy that, that would love to have you on this podcast. That would be great because I would talk all the Fridays with them in a heartbeat. I will do so and I thank you having me. It's been my pleasure and honor to join you. No, I really appreciate it. Amy it was great. I could talk to you forever because there's so many other things I want to talk about, Jeff Hostetler, Howie long playing pranks on each other. I mean there's so many things I want to have, maybe that's for another time. Yeah, definitely. It is, I apologize that I have to jump now and by the way, only because I was so honored to join you. Did I do this entire conversation sitting in a closet, but I was honored to join you. I do have to jump now and we can maybe do that in the future. Okay, appreciate it. Amy and thank you for joining me on huddle up with Gus, that's our show, everyone. Thank you for joining us on the huddle up with Gus. Um I appreciate you listening. I want to thank Sounder FM for hosting us. I want to thank 16 31 Digital news and don't forget to go Vegas sports advantage, putting my coat huddle up, save 25% and win some cash. So thanks again to Amy Trask, Go check out her book and check her out at Amy Trask on twitter. She's the reason they made twitter. So thanks for joining me on...

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