Huddle Up with Gus
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AmaniToomer

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Gus sits down for a great discussion with wide receiver and punt returner Amani Toomer, who played his entire career for the New York Giants, registering over 1,000 receiving yards each season from 1999 to 2003, was a member of the 2007 Giants team that won Super Bowl XLII, and holds Giants' club records with 9,497 receiving yards, 668 receptions and 54 receiving touchdowns. Gus and Amani discuss his early years playing for the University of Michigan from 1992 to 1995, where in 1994, he broke the school's single-season record with 1,096 receiving yards and was a finalist for the Biletnikoff Award and a first-team All-Big Ten honoree. 

Hey everyone. Welcome to another episode of huddle up with Gus, I'm your host, former NFL quarterback Gus Frerotte and welcome to the new 16 31 digital new studio. You know, some people say no news is good news. Well I say to those people you've never read. 16 31 digital news dot com. Go to 16 31 digital news dot com to get your latest news, sports, music and entertainment and maybe even listen to your favorite podcast. Follow up with Gusts. Check it out today at www. 16 31 digital news dot com. Huddle up with Gusts is brought to you by Vegas sports advantage, clients of Vegas. Sports advantage are winning big in 2021 you can be a part of the winning two. As of june 1st $100. Bettors are up $3700 500 dollars. Bettors are up $18,500 and $1000. Bettors are up $37,000 and $5000. Bettors are up $185,000 become inclined today by clicking the link in the description below and use promo code, huddle up To take 25% off your package today. Thanks to our partnership. Welcome to what surely will be a doozy of a matchup brian here. Sports fans. Whether your game is on the gridiron at the diamond or on the links, we can only say welcome to this week's huddle up with gusts. 15 year NFL quarterback Gus parents passion for sports has taken him on the field and behind the bench is playing for seven NFL franchises with 114 TVs under his belt, gust knows who the players are and how the games are one. Uh it's not every day you get to hang out with an NFL quarterback up. Okay, sports fans from the decked out and plush 16 31 digital studios, it's kick off time, so snap your chin straps on and get ready to huddle up with us. Hey, I appreciate what everyone joining me on, huddle up with Gus uh, with super dot events. I'm excited. We got Amani Toomer coming on. So as you guys know, uh, Amani played at Michigan, uh one of the best receivers ever to come out of Michigan went to, was drafted by the new york Giants, uh, won a Super Bowl in, Let me see, it's 2000 and seven. Uh you know, he uh, I just had an amazing career, one of the best receivers ever to play for the Giants. Uh now he's doing some amazing stuff trying to uh, you know, I think his entrepreneurial sides coming out of them, but I'm excited to hear his story growing up out and uh, okay, Berkeley California and you know, he's just a, one of the guys that I think everybody always likes, he has a good attitude, good temperament and even ran a marathon. So I know I could never do that, but most receivers probably could and you probably have to, to run all day against the Dbs in the NFL, so, um, I will be coming on our man, dan Cisco's help and I'm, so, I think we'll see him on here in a second. But uh, I don't know about you guys. What do you guys think of the game last night? I mean, I kind of turned it off early and uh, and then, uh, you know, look up in the morning and here Baltimore came back, which was amazing. Lamar Jackson just had an amazing game. I think he completed 86% of his passes. I don't know if I ever did that in practice. So that, that was pretty amazing. So, um, you know, it's just, it's just amazing. The NFL every week gives us excitement. Uh, you know, this week, I think the excitement was, how poor all the kickers did. We had more missed field goals and extra points this week than one can imagine. They're probably should have been a lot of teams that...

...would have should have one if they would have made field goals, but they didn't. So there he is. Hi, are you all right? Yeah, I'm really glad to be on here with you, Gus and this is uh, this is gonna be great. I'm being able to interact with the fans. I'm super excited. Well, I'll just let you know right now monty. It only took you half the time be gone as Vincent pauley did and he's twice our age. So um you know, uh and I think that uh having you on, I was explaining to all the people that are on about, you know, your career, everything you've been through, giving you a little intro. But I wanted to thank you for coming on, huddle up with Gus are partners with the NFL alumni and also now super. Which is uh this new format lets us interact with fans. It's pretty cool. But you know, we always kind of start back at the beginning on how to up where you grew up. I know you're from California And I want to get into a little bit of that story with you. Uh my boys have a great picture that we found of you back in at Delasau. Yeah. So wait, where is the gunner game? Have it? There you go. So did you always like um 18 was always your number when I was 18? Your number? Well, uh I used to love Tim Brown, like he was my favorite player growing up, he went to Notre dame and I thought I was gonna go to Notre dame and be the next tim Brown. But then I just didn't want to be exactly like him. So instead of 81 Which was his number at Notre Dame and his number with with the Raiders. I switched it around and I was 18 and yeah, it's just it just stuck, it's just something that always just identified with and I don't know, it's one of those things, if it's not broke, don't fix it. But uh it was, it was, you know, the number meant a lot to me, but you know, it was, it was just, it was just something that, that I just, you know, like a good pair of shoes, once you put it on kind of sticks, you know? Yeah, yeah, you know, that's how I had number 12 because of Terry Bradshaw, that was always my guy growing up. That's cool. Yeah, that was my guy. So, well, we had a lot of good quarterbacks out of Pittsburgh, but I mean you had a lot of incredible people come out of California and were you a 40 niners fan or you were a Raiders fan? Huh? No, I was the 49 ers fan. 49 ers? Yeah, because as I was growing up, I lived in Berkeley, which is right by Oakland, but the Raiders left. Okay, Yeah, so once the Raiders left, everybody in Oakland was like, we're Niners fan and then the Niners were so good because they had, you know, jerry rice, Ronnie Lott, you know, Wendell Tyler, they had Bill Ring, they had uh Freddie Solomon, I mean it was joe Montana Was one after another. It was, I mean, it was one of the, and my cousin played for them um steve Wallace. So, it was just a lot of people that came through there and it was like the center of the football universe in my very formative years because every year it was the niners versus the cowboys or, or the Niners versus um, You know, I guess like the rams, like all these teams and it was just such good football back in the 80s, even though looking back on it, they just didn't have the creativity that they have now. I mean, it's amazing watching football now. And I'm just thinking, man, I guess we were just, we're just a little too early. I mean, oh my gosh, The quick thinking of completion percentages now compared to...

...what we were playing. I mean, if you're not over 70 per, 60 65% you're considered inaccurate because all these screen passes are throwing Well. And I was saying like, look at Lamar Jackson last night, he completed 86% of his passes, threw for over 400 yards 31 times to think about it well. And I think that to, you know, back in the day, you know, we were all kind of big play action. There wasn't a whole ton of get the ball out, not when we first started, not when I was with the skins and we were playing it. You know, Then I got to the rams, like in the mid-2000s, those quick screens and everything started going a little more. Um, they became more viable and now it's all shotgun. I mean, we never, we were never in shotgun. Yeah. Unless it was like, yeah, shotgun was like, yeah, you'd run the ball for the first two downs. Right. And then we'll at least the Giants, would we run the ball for the first two downs will be a third and long. And then all of a sudden they put in this package and we read, We throw. But it doesn't that like we were, we were a running team. If you threw the ball 20 times a game, You were, uh, you know, you were just an average NFL team. Now if you threw the ball 30 to 40 times a game back when I was growing up coming up, that means you were a passing team. But now everybody is throwing the ball plus 30 times a game. And uh, it's, it's way more of a passing league and it's, you know what, it's more exciting to watch as well. Oh, I agree. You know, I mean back in the day in the 80s when they, you know, the big thing was the bears defense and giving up three points. I mean, yeah, I get it defense wins championships, but it's not that much fun to watch a team go three and out and punt. You know what I'm saying? Like it's it it is much more fun to see uh, you know, and I have think you have to think that it has something to do with fantasy football. Absolutely. It's going and betting, betting and just, you know, it's it's it is exciting to watch, you know, the best athletes in the world, which are the receivers by far making spectacular plays. Like that is what you want to see. You don't see three yards and a cloud of dust. I mean that's just not right appealing to as many people as watching guys, you know, do acrobatic stuff dragging their feet inbounds and catch the ball in one hand. It's just, it makes it so much more fun to just like the average person can can you don't have to be a great football fan to love to see great catches, great moves and the speed and the athleticism that receivers have. It's just not, you know, did you, did you see that catch the kid from Arizona had more? I didn't know whether you drag his feet. Yeah, I saw a picture of you doing that with the Giants and I'm like, oh my gosh, because we were talking and I watched the game and I'm like, Omani, like, you guys are so good at that. Like, it's amazing. And if you have a quarterback that can trust you, like, you had, you can just throw that ball anywhere. It was amazing what you guys can do in the talent you have. Yeah, it's um, it's a lot harder. It looks a lot harder than it really is because actually the college rule and the pro rule are pretty much the same in my opinion, like after playing for a while because you've got to get one ft down and then you just kick your other, I kick your other heel or drag your feet and don't let that that second back foot rise up and take that step instead of that, you drag your feet along the ground. And it's basically the same as the, as the college rule. And it really bothers me to see receivers not understand that there's so many catches that are missed because they just don't know these simple techniques that, I mean we...

...practice it every day and that wasn't good at it when I got into the league. Like I never, it wasn't something I was good at, but through repetition and practicing is something I developed throughout my career. So by the time I was, you know, 10 years, 789, 10 years in, I was really good at it and I wouldn't even think about it. So it's to me it's learned if you got to write a good wide receiver coach, which I had a couple of them, um and jimmy Robinson and Milt Jackson, you know, and um, mike Sullivan, you just got, you don't get to the NFL and just stopped growing and if you do, you die, you die on the vine, you always the longevity of playing in the NFL is can constantly tweaking your game constantly getting better and that's the only way you survive. I always felt like chris carter was like one of the originals to really have that like, you know, we're both feet are down, he's falling out of bounds and he still caught the ball and didn't, you know, and I've seen him, I mean just because I play with the Vikings, I've watched a lot of film on him. He was so, so good at that. Yeah, I mean there's some guys that are that are that are really, really good at it and it's really, it's just a test and it's like nobody's born, there's no talent to it, right? It's only repetition and work. There's some things in the NFL that take a lot of talent like speed, you can't get for that hands where you catch the ball, There's, there's a talent of that, but you can overwork that as well. But catching the ball and dragging your feet, it's just practice and you can see the guys now that put the time in and really take the, there's a craft of being a wide receiver and it's very complicated and there's very, uh, it's very detail oriented and I just love seeing guys that still, you know, I mean, they're throwing the ball so much, so many times. You, you could still be a great receiver and not pay that much attention to the details. But the guys that do, they just maximize their ability and they end up playing for a lot longer than most and then then there may be their ability even should allow them to, right? So if we go back to that picture that, that we saw from you in high school, you played multiple positions in high school, right? I played um, yeah, I played uh, I was a little bit, a little bit on defense. Um I played tight end my rookie year. I take it outside linebacker. My freshman year, I played outside linebacker my freshman year. Um I try to do a lot of things and you know, really to figure out what type of player I was. I mean, I was a skinny kid and I always thought I was going to be a running back way too skinny to be running back long and lanky. Um I was fast and I could catch, but I mean, it just, it took me a while to figure out exactly what what, what position are we really was good at, What other sports did you play in high school? I played basketball, I played baseball. I ran track. Um I I only five are seated in basketball and I'm not baseball and I was varsity track as well. Do you feel like playing multiple sports helped you as an athlete? Absolutely, absolutely. There's, I I don't know because there's movements that you do in football that uh that you have to kind of get out of the football mind frame to really understand the entire movement, like when you're going up for a football? You know, you have to understand how to like, you know, like I'm like saying like basketball, you gotta go up for a rebound, you have to understand how to move your body and block people out and use your body to get in front of other players and and you and I used to play soccer too. I was a goalie. So when I...

...would jump up and I would use my knee to clear out, you know, I would do my nuclear out the people that were trying to score goals on. So I would use the same thing in football. I would use my knees to get defensive backs away from me. I would use my elbows and arms, I box out, you know, all that stuff helps and the more of a fluid and complete athlete you are, the better you're going to be when it comes down to uh you know, there's going to be a move that you're going to do, that, you're gonna be like, wow, I remember doing this in uh in basketball, that's how that's how this move came about and you're constantly, you know, kind of inventing your own game and that's you can't do that if you just play football right? So you were prayed all american, you were U. S. A. Today, um all U. S. A team in high school. So you were mentioning before that you really wanted to go to Notre dame. What was, how did you get to michigan then? Well, it was when I was coming out, I was a really highly rated guy. Um, I kind of knew that the whole rating system was kind of B. S. You know, I just didn't really believe in it. So I was like, look, you know, I was good in high school does not mean I'm gonna be good in college. I thought I was going to be good, but I just, you know, I wanted to play the averages. So I wanted to go to the best school that I possibly could go to With the best football program that in a place that I would graduate because when I was growing, when I was coming out, there was not a lot of black athletes that were actually graduating from college, a lot of them were going like the whole pack 10 whole pack 10 at the time. I mean are the only place where they graduated athletes was stanford and the rest of them, they would give you a scholarship and say, hey look, we know you're probably not going to graduate in four years. So we're going to let you come back afterwards and and finish and I was like, yeah, no, I don't know, that's not a good idea to me, there's not a lot of guys would probably go back and finish. I mean to be no, no more guys like chad johnson, right, they go two years of community college, you know, two years of school, then they go to Oregon state for five months and then they go to the NFL yeah, so I was like, I didn't want to be, I didn't want to be a part of that, I wanted to go to a school that I could be proud of, I wanted to go to school that had like, you know, they took their football program seriously, but most importantly, I wanted to go to the best academic school that I could possibly go to. So I tried to go to uh you know, I originally wanted to go to stanford, but for some reason they thought mine that I wasn't academically strong enough, which I couldn't figure out. So I ended up going to michigan end up being a better place for me because you know, if I, I grew up in the Bay Area, if I would have just stayed in the Bay Area, I don't think I would have really grown as much as going from the Bay Area in the west coast to the midwest to me that was like a real maturing, getting out of the nest and it was, it was seeing a different part of the world dealing with a lot of different people that I ordinarily wouldn't have that it really a culture, right? Oh, the culture shock was, I mean it was, it was amazing. west coast san Francisco, then you gotta, you gotta michigan that had like I went from Pittsburgh to Tulsa which wasn't a huge stretch because I grew up in the country, you know like that was like real cowboys like boots and hats and then you know like cowboy bars, we don't have any of that stuff in Pittsburgh Yeah, I mean how did you deal with that? Like it was, it was very, it was like you read a lot of books, you know, you hear a lot of stories, you watch the T. V. And all this stuff and you're thinking oh that's fake and then you go to these places and people actually think this way and you're like oh my god, this is this is real life, people really think this way and it was it was crazy, especially going to michigan, it was,...

...you know, it was it was a very strange place because it was such a divided place, like there was the black players here and the white players played over here and they just only would meet on the field and it was just the weirdest thing to me, like it was so strange and I still to this day, i it was it was it was a very strange place at the university of Michigan because you got Detroit, you know, which is, there's a lot of black players and you and you all the surrounding areas and then you get like way out in Jackson michigan and they got players from there all the way from the west coast and you're just a west coast of michigan, I mean, yeah, the west coast of michigan and it's just these cultures colliding and it was, it was very strange when I played for the lions, You know, you're in Detroit, you're playing in Detroit and then you go to training camp way up north, I forget the school, it's a little college and it's in the middle of nowhere, There's nothing out there. It's just a whole different field from Detroit, right? And you see all these movies, you hear all these things about Detroit, which I loved, it was awesome. And then you go up there and it was completely, you know, Pittsburgh and fill your a lot of like that. And then you got in the middle in pennsylvania, it's, it's completely different and that's pretty cool. So, so you're at michigan and your first two years, you really, it's kind of like my first two years, you really don't do much. Uh, you know what I mean? And you had a few catches, you played a little bit, but then your third year, you really start to take off more and uh, you're probably feeling more comfortable, more ingrained, what was your third year, like where you said, OK, I feel pretty good about where I am. And and why do you think that you became so successful in michigan? Well, I think early on um you remember when we were coming up, freshman didn't play like everybody red shirt and it was a big deal for me to even like suit up as a freshman, like they were like, wow, he's suiting up, you know how you must be really good. And I started my first year, but they were like, we're not gonna throw him the ball like, you know, no, he's gonna be on the field, but he's not getting the ball. And then my second year was more of the same, like they were just kind of like, nah, you know, they they really were, it was more of a like seniors got, you know, got most of the looks then juniors and then it kind of spilled down and they really had enough talent at michigan where they could do that, they could just be like, okay, this guy's it's his turn because he's a senior and he's been here for three years and then the next year it was this guy, so I just basically had to wait my turn, which nowadays is unheard. Well that's what I was gonna ask you. So, you know, back in the day, we didn't hear players complaining that I'm not playing and all this stuff right now with social media and take all these things that we hear these guys like I'm trying to think who it was, he was a rookie in the NFL he didn't get any playing time and he was complaining about it. I'm like, dude, what are you doing even in college in here? That all the time, right, these kids go as freshmen, they're not playing, I'm like, You're 18 plan against 23 year old man, you need probably some time to grow, I mean, but for you, who did you have as a mentor? Somebody that you can lean on to say it's going to be okay, your time's coming? Well it was normal like, so I didn't really need a mentor, like everybody was like, oh he's gonna be good and then that was it. Oh, he might be an all american one day. I'm like, well, you know, we got a game sunday, like, why not sunday. Right, So you had some pretty, yeah, there were some pretty good other receivers in your, in your room. Uh did you learn something from, like, what did they have that same experience? Yeah, most of them, did you know, like Derrick alexander was there when I was there and he was, he was great man. He was, he was, he really taught me how to like, because I was so into it, like, it was, you have to have a certain amount of relaxation to play well in sports, especially at a high level in college because there's so much pressure on you to to perform...

...and he just took everything really light and easy and it was, I would look at him like, oh my God, you're not like crying or like, you're not like getting upset because they're not putting you in the game. He's like, you know, I work out and then yeah, that's kind of him, right? Yeah, he's like it, but he was great though. Like, I needed that at that time because I was like, I'm going to be this, I'm going to do it, you know? And then it was just kind of like take a step back, relax because you need that on the field. Like, there's sometimes where the stress gets really, really high and you need to be able to take a step back and be like, okay, let me tone it down and not make this situation bigger than it is and just play the game and and revert back to your technique and not get too, you know, don't let the outside stuff well, you're too involved. That had to be huge for you because if Derek would have been a guy like, yeah, you should be playing, you know what I mean, saying, all these things to you, it could have changed your experience there and and change your attitude with the coaches, right? Because absolutely, you know, because if they see you as a complainer and things, those reps go down, I would say, even in michigan, it's more so admission because there was a lot of guys that were good, like, there wasn't a lot of guys that were like, you know, exceptional but there was a lot of guys that they were like okay let's just put him out here for two games and you know, we're running the ball anyway. Does not really matter that much, you know? And that's where playing with these big games, we have to throw the ball. So it was it was just a difference that we were sacked like my freshman year, our entire starting offense played in the NFL like everyone our whole offensive line was that much touch on that steve Hatcher said was he he was No, no, no he was after he was a man, he was after I thought hutch was kind of around our age. No, it was like uh we had we had trees, l Jenkins, we had no I'm actually not all of them, Miller uh that we had a guard named Miller. He didn't make the NFL don't think of him out. He's gonna be pissed. No, but I mean him. Yeah, I hear you but everybody that we have Tony Tony Magee derrick alexander. Yeah, we had todd Collins carry Collins. No that's not Kerry Collins todd Collins, Elvis Gorbach um There was so many and then Mercury Hayes played in the NFL um Well you kind of let me let's go. I got a quick we're gonna put up a little trivia question for our fans here, Gunner, can you put that up? All right, we're gonna do a little countdown. But um you know, the question for everyone is go ahead and run and run it. Uh How many playoff tv you know, you gotta go back one gunner. Do we not have the quarterback question in their gunner? I think you can find it. Let me see uh there we go. All right, so anybody you can click on it if you're on here and you can click on an ant and figure that out. But you know, ah there we go. I think people heard it new. This is all new. How about this? We got a little trivia that the fans could come on and answer the question uh for the trivia question, but it's how how we do that. So, Todd Collins, I knew you were there with Elvis Grbac. You also had brian greasy. Um you know, I think Greasy through a long touchdown your senior year, He was only a freshman, right? He was a freshman. But we had a guy named Scott Dreisbach who started that year, broke his thumb. He ended up going in the NFL to, he played for the Raiders for a couple of years. So every quarterback that ever threw me a passing in college all went to the NFL, every single one of them. It was crazy. It was the quarterback university. I mean, we had a lot of quarterbacks, lateral receivers and I don't know what...

...happened to him now. I mean, it's so first year in michigan 92. So cam camera would have been the quarterback coach cam camera was my quarterback coach. So when I was getting recruited to college, he was at Michigan and I thought I was going to go there and they took Elvis Grbac instead of me and then I am going to Tulsa like thanks cam. Then he became like a quarterback coach in Washington. Remember again, like, thanks a lot. I mean, I could have went to Michigan. I'm playing in front of 5000 and set up 100,000. I appreciate That. But hey, you remember that game that we had, we played you down in Washington in 1990 eight. I remember all the games I just showed I had straight hand on and I showed him the hit he had on me. Uh, and I peed blood for like four days. Really? Yes. And he's like, yeah, that was my favorite hit I ever had on a quarterback guys. I'm like, oh, come on my love. But you know, I mean, that's just part of it. We've had so many. Oh my, some of my favorite games were between us, you know? Yeah, that was the Washington Giants. I mean, that is basically everybody in the NFC east. All those games are like, you feel like you're not just playing, you know, you're playing against all the ghosts. You know, it's like you're playing against the history of the whole NFL and plus the NFC east is such a, you know, an old um, what go over there, you gotta go, could you close the door, Feola thank you. Yeah, no, it's just, it's just like that like RFK to me is still my favorite place ever to play, right? Because what it felt like when you were in there, hey, we got a question from Ari here, she wants to know if you can see that. I'm only mentioned that college athletes have stayed calm and relaxed. What are methods that you guys used? I can't imagine the anxiety for me. Um, you know, my dad was always in the back of my head saying, you know, get out there, do it, get up to all that, you know what I mean? So what was your, what did you use, you talked a little bit about relaxation and what you do? So how did you calm down and intense situations? Well, you gotta, like, sometimes you can't think about how big the situation is. You've got to look at, you gotta narrow it down to like the moment right now, you're like, okay, I'm facing this guy, this guy in front of me, nobody else, you know, I got to beat this guy, I got to do a remove that. I've done 100 times, you know, you know, you know, by myself and you know, walking down the street, I gotta run this route this way. You can't worry about all the other stuff and you just got to be like, one thing that really gets you, gives gave me confidence was the amount of time that put in, right? So, so it was like rote memory and I was like, you know what, I don't, I'm not scared to fail. I'm not scared to fail in sports. I'm scared that I didn't try hard enough and I didn't put it all the time because then the what ifs come in? Oh yeah, the wettest are the worst. Yeah. So if I, if I go out there and we lose the game, but I know that I did everything I could do and I did, you know that I could, hey, you're not gonna win every, you're not gonna win everything, but if I go into a game and we lose because of something that I overlooked, I didn't see the blitz coming. I let the quarterback get hit, he fumbled for a touchdown because I didn't study my, you know, the defense, that's what gets you really upset be getting beat athletically. It's going to happen. It's hopefully is going to happen less than, you know, the longer. Well, it definitely during my career it happened less than then uh more or less times I got beat athletically than I got beaten mentally. Yeah. So who was the one guy that you Like, they always ask me who's the like player that you hated up going up against. And I always say, well I...

...played against all 11 guys. It wasn't like I was running a route but you ran routes like you had a study, you said, Okay we're playing the skins this week and I want to be covered by Darrell Green All Day. Like who was the guy for you that said that gave you the most like I got to really prepare, I gotta get ready for this dude because he's one of the greatest um champ bailey was a guy that I that I really just, you know, I felt like I was up for the challenge. Like those I did well I did my best against him but those, that was one of the guys that I felt like, you know what if I'm not on my game I could get embarrassed. So champ bailey was definitely one of them. There was a guy who played for the uh the cowboys and he was like Mario Edwards. Yeah and for some reason like I'd watch him on film. The guy was slow. No disrespect, no disrespect, no disrespect. But like if we got into a foot race, I definitely could outrun them. But there was something about the way he played me and it brings me back to like and he was always a struggle between me and him. Um he was my size but always was quicker than guys who were my size so I always felt like I had advantage, but for some reason he was, you know, he could slow me up and do some things that would bother me. Uh that, that, that, that, that, that I remember, but it was, you know, every, you know, it's like in boxing, everybody has the silver bullet right there. There's a, there's a silver bullet out there for everybody and I'll never forget Mario Edwards because he was the guy that was the toughest for me and he was a guy that, you know, for the most part was not, you know, thought upon is one of the better corners in the league. Who, who did you always try to go against in practice? Did you guys had a heck of a defense, I would go against the Felipe Sparks was a guy I love to go against, we had will, will allen and Will Peterson, Those guys were really good. Jason. See Horn was a guy I love to go against uh because his pants were always falling down, man. That guy, he was hilarious, he was hilarious. The guy was the coolest. Like he was unflappable. Like, well being, we be doing one on ones and somebody beat him and you go, that's not around and you just walk back, like you catch the beat, you, they say, you know, you, you catch up all the defensive back and one on ones and they're supposed to run after you and catch it and if you do a double move on him, our line would get there, you know, and you just start walking back and you'd be running catching the ball and it was hilarious, but he was he was one of the best athletic corners because he was big fast. People people sleep on the his athletic ability. That guy was a great athlete. Of course, yeah, there's no doubt about it, you know, and I mean, you guys are full of great athletes, you included in that. So, um you know, you had a lot of good experience in the playoffs and you know, uh we have another trivia question, gonna throw that up there uh in the playoffs and I want to know uh ah yeah, hey, how come up with us listeners? Manscaped. Well, they sent me uh they hooked me up with a bunch of tools and formulations for their package three point oh Kit. Uh so, you know, I want to show you guys what's in the perfect package, right? We all think we got a perfect package, but they sent me the perfect package, three point oh kid, I want to show you what they sent me. So it was crazy. It came in this great box, uh you know, uh and you can see what it says, they will thank you because they sent us this awesome trimmer, they sent us uh, you know, stuff that makes you smell better and then, you know, they sent me this great, uh, some boxers, you what you...

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...of the college route going the NFL route because they figured that they've seen all these guys, They don't, they didn't have enough players being prepared to, you know, cool. Like the Ravens are like one of the only teams I watched that can run the ball, I could like old days, right? But still there are shotgun every play, right? So, and then every college game is always shotgun, you know, and so that the NFL went towards more of the college atmosphere, which is great because they want to score more points than they want to, you know, get more receptions and higher, you know, all those things that we talked about earlier and I just think that, you know, when we played, we didn't, you know, it was about staying in the pocket, it was about, you know, throwing the ball on time. I mean, I couldn't imagine as a, as a, as a receiver when your quarterback scrambles every other play, how hard that is for you. Oh man. I remember watching film on mike Vick and I was like, wow, that he is unbelievable. I would not want to play for him. No way. There's no running, no, because yeah, you work on route running and its route running and timing and you know, you get, you come out of your break and you're looking for the ball now, you're coming out of your break and you're seeing the quarterback running by you, you're like, great. But man, I mean, can I knew a little something out here too. You know what I mean? Like I want to participate, this is what I've been practicing all week and I've been working on these routes all year and you know, working my techniques and all that stuff. I mean, you know, I think you'd be very tough, but I think, uh, you know, I just don't know how you can be a consistent wide receiver nowadays unless you're playing for a drop back passer, like tom brady and the funny thing about is like, you look at tom brady, he's getting the ball up on time. You always look, I remember you can't sit there and pack the ball. Like if I ever see a quarterback sitting there passing the ball and like he doesn't know where he's going with the ball, you gotta know two steps ahead. I mean, you know, you got no two steps ahead and if you're sitting there with the ball, you know, getting like this, yeah, you're not you're not getting out like you got to know you got to know a your whole offense like every play where I'm going and then be that changes every time the defense changes, right? One play could be like five different place basically. It's going somewhere different. All these coaches want to put all these amazing things in right? Like they're they're designing all these incredible things when in reality, look coach, if they, if they play four different coverages, if they play 08, cover three, Cover one and cover too, we can run the same play. It's going to somebody different every time, right? And I got man with you and I'm and you're supposed to run whatever and and it turns into a go route. Yeah, that's where I'm going. I mean it does, it's not sometimes, I think the coaches want to make it way too hard. You know, I 100% agree with you guys and a lot of it is because how do you get promoted to be a head coach in the NFL as an offensive coordinator? You don't get promoted by giving the ball to Anthony the Henry. You don't do that. That's not how you get like, you know, if you want to get promoted, not, you know, Big Henry from the type from the type. Derrick, Henry, Derrick, Henry. Yeah, sorry, you don't get, you don't get, you don't get you get promoted if your offensive coordinator like the dude and um, like Mcbain throwing the ball all over the field and get these cute little plays and yeah, like that dude more the more Kellen moore for the cowboys. Oh, he's going to get a head coaching job. The play that he had where he had, um, you know, Zeke running and you did a fake toss sweep. That was a great play. I love that play. Yeah, that was a great play. But you know what, like there's so much window dressing on football nowadays. It's...

...hilarious. And these offensive coordinators are taking the game away from the players and they're just making it like, oh well it's because of my genius play. I call the, you know, annexation of uh, Puerto rico, you know, those type of plays, you know, I mean, it's like The reason why all these players are in the NFL is because they can play above the X0 if you can only play with the Xs and os, you're not gonna make the NFL. So I just, I just feel, I see the, the fact that all these guys just, you know, it's very um, you know, everybody's really trying to elevate themselves at the expense of everybody, you know? Yeah. Do you think that when you watch receivers, because obviously that's what you were, and I watch quarterbacks and if there's too much on their plate, you can almost see them thinking when they're running routes or trying to go through a read or whatever they're doing, you know what I mean? Absolutely, they're just not playing. No, they're not playing. And what when I, when I talk about is, you know, everybody can go up on the board when they're sitting down, they have like a little coffee in front of them maybe, and then they're in their meeting rooms and everything's warm and fuzzy and they'll get up there and I'll explain you the whole offense, But now get him on a treadmill and have him run for like do a couple of 400 on a treadmill and then test them. That's what it is. It's like, you're not in the state in the right frame of mind two to to think, like, I always tell people they're like, oh, how do they not know what they're doing? I would say it's like taking a test in college, but now all of a sudden you're taking a test while you're running right, and you're taking a test while people are trying to, you know, knock you all, you know, not the pencil out of your hand. And so it's, it's it's a much, you have to know it at such a deep, deeper level than just kind of, you know, it has to be more than just memory. It has to be like ingrained in you like reactions and that takes a lot a lot of time and it takes a lot of like effort and time and yeah, well I always say like, you see quarterbacks go through seven on seven and they were like perfect and then, you know, then they get in the game and you know, they can't do anything and it's like, it's not real. I mean, it is like to a point where you have to learn the routes and learn your reads, but it's not the same as if a guy gets beat off the edge and you've got to step up and then get rid of the ball and and do all these different things. It's definitely not the same. Yeah, Yeah. And and, and then, you know, so like if you look at football, it's not super difficult, like there's there's very few things you can do, right? But the mental aspect of it, it's like, you know, especially like the tough, I think that what people underestimate is the toughness that you have to have to be a football player. Like, I don't care if they say they can't hit you in the head or whatever, you know, that you have to run across the middle and there's some dudes twice your size that are just, I don't care how they take you down, I don't care if they take you down from your, your waist or whatever it's going to hurt. It always hurts, you know that in the morning Yeah, there's definitely ones that are worse than others. Exactly. Hey, looks like we got a question for you from jake, jake wants to know what QB would you want to play for? That tosses the pill around now? I mean, I'm telling that kid out of uh uh with the Chargers, l A man, I watched him and I'm just like, oh my God, because you know, I was at the combines with them because I was with them with um Alan, um or Allen's another guy, like there's so many guys right now, the quarterback talent in the NFL now is, it's at this one of these all time levels. Like they got great, great quarterbacks, young, great quarterback. So if you want a super bowl in 2007, I think it was what your 13th year. 12 year, 12th year that, that had to be amazed because you played for what?...

But in the midwest again anyway, not after I uh I pulled my hamstring in training camp and I was like, I was 35 and I pulled a hamstring in training camp and I'm like, you know what? This probably, I mean, I felt like I proved what I needed to prove to myself that I could still play, I'll never forget when I was 38 and with the Vikings and like the other two quarterbacks are both like 23 and I'm running sprints with them And I've been, you know, got the shit kicked out of me for 15 years. It's like you want me to run the same as them? Gus how did you deal with? Like You're 38, right, Right? You say you're 38? Uh yeah, my last year, yeah, you're going in the locker room, right? They're listening to all kinds of crazy music. They're talking about all kinds of weird jokes, but it was like, what is going on here? It was a culture shock. Well when you're 38 you're the oldest guy in the locker room, you get to play the music you want in the locker room in the weight room and it took me 15 years to get there, right? So I go in the weight room and everybody would be listening to whatever they wanted. I'd walk in and I have my little red ipod and I put all my favorite music on like foo fighters and all these other guys, right? I listen to all kind of music, had a good mix in there guys as soon as I walk in, they'd all be like, they're like, I lifted at different times all the time, so they never knew when I was coming in, just so I could do that to them. So they could, you know, it was just the best to see them like, Oh, I got a lift of this stuff and I'm like, yes, yes, you do. I finally, after 15 years get to play what I want to play. But you know what it is? I think, I think my kids kind of being a little older and you know, they weren't that, I mean they're in there kind of mid twenties now, but then it kept me young kind of mentally and understanding what culture was going on. And so I could relate to a lot of people now. They always called me the old guy. You start getting gray hair, you're gonna, you're gonna be the old guy in the locker room. That's just how it was. Their gunner was, look, my son calls me a geyser, so thanks, thanks a lot. Uh, so now, so you've, you've had this great career, uh you transition, you leave the NFL you retire. It's always a hard transition and I saw you ran, you ran a marathon. What was that? Like? You really want to always run a marathon? No, like I was doing nothing. Like I was just getting or sitting around getting fat and I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do with my life and um you know, it's funny because everybody's like, oh you're gonna go broke and all this stuff, and I'm like, I wasn't worried about going broke, I was worried about what I was like, what's gonna be my next game day, Like, I wanted another game day, I wanted another opportunity to like do something, right? So I had an opportunity to do something with Timex came around and they're like, look, we want to get a guy to run the marathon, and I'm like boom, sign me up, I'm doing it, you know? So I trained for it for 66 months, it was great, like it got me back into out of the house, I lost a lot of weight, it was just, it was just fun, it was fun like, to train again and this time to train more for enjoyment than trained for like, oh man, Ray Lewis is coming after me, I gotta get ready, or you know, I'm dealing with Darryl, Darrelle Revis, he's coming after me, I got it was just kind of like I did it for enjoyment and then it kind of sparked the um it's uh sparked the fitness aspect of my life that Yeah, that's good. Did it did it give you like, hey, there's life after football kind of feeling too Yeah, like I was kind of lost there for like, a year, just kind of sat around waiting because I thought I might get picked up. Um and You know, my my to do my 14th year, and I was just kind of like, at...

...the end, I'm like you know, you've been doing football and sports your entire life, man, It's time to grow up. You know, what was the hardest mile? Like, what mile? Where you were like, oh man, 21? I was one yeah, I was like, Wow, this is this is this is real. And uh I was I was on a clip, I was gonna, I wanted to go under in the threes, like, I want to go under four hours in the threes and jeez, I got, what's that average a mile? I think it was like seven something, maybe eight. Yeah. And yeah, eight something. That's pretty amazing. That's that was, But I ended up doing it in for four hours and 13 minutes, which was like a 9 30 which was not what I wanted to do. But you know, like I said, I'm not, a lot of people can say, like, after your career, and all the bumps and bruises you had and everything you ran a marathon. That's pretty amazing. You were like, you were like, one of these lineman that are like £350, and then you have to go out and lose weight. So you run marathons. Yeah, well, I was, I didn't get 300, No, I'm just saying like, yeah, I always leave, like all the lineman always leave the NFL then they all get super skinny like by running. It's amazing man. There's a guy on our team, Chris Need, he was £300 guard right now. He's like a 200 Maybe £20, £15 Lean. Like he looks like he was a wide receiver and I looked like I was probably maybe a linebacker. Matt burke was the same way, right matt and I played together a bunch and, and you know, he was £315. We played now. He's like to 10. I'm like, dude, what, what are you doing? Yeah. I always say go ahead. I was just like, don't you want to like eat? He goes, I ain't enough for so many people, I don't want to eat anymore. You know, it's funny because like a lot of these guys had to like, remember those guys are a team that had to wake up at night and eat just to keep the weight on, wake up night slam, like a protein shake and go back to sleep. So maybe it's a little easier for them because they had to try and most of them have to try to keep their weight up. Yeah, Yeah, no, that's true. So what are you doing today? So tell me a little bit about what you're doing today in your life. Well I'm trying to do and start a whole bunch of businesses. I I've been an investor in cannabis business for a while. Um That's something that I really enjoy doing. It's fun. It's like one of these uh growth industries that are just kind of coming around and everything's starting to come around with that. So I'm really excited about that. Um are you growing side of that or which part did you like? Uh because their scores, there's the growing, there's the where they grow all the facilities. I have a I have a couple of licenses that I've that I've invested in um one licenses in um in las Vegas and other licenses in South Jersey. And then there's another part of something I've gotten into in colorado. So and so, and they should go back home. That's huge. Yeah, but see the thing about California is like, you can't come to California half Stefan, you know what I mean? Like, so I want to, when I come back to California to try and get into cannabis game, I better be come correct or they'll, you know, they'll boot you out real quick in California and they're not playing where else has really grown as huge as Canada. Oh yeah. Canada is big, you know, there's another, there's other places abroad that that have some opportunities that I might try and go and you know, in in europe some places, but uh yeah, it's just fun. It's really fun, like I could have done real estate and just been, you know, you know, landlord and all this stuff, but it just at the end of the day, you want to enjoy things right? And I want to enjoy this business and I just like being a part of the, the ground, you know, the ground floor of this thing. Yeah, you seem to have like a big entrepreneurial...

...spirit, like you like to start things up and get moving. Tell me about your company's ceo Yeah. Ceo is a, is a company that we want to, it's a, it's a non for profit that, you know, we want to, me and my business partner todd johnson, we want to really get, um, some uh, really helped some underserved communities with community exposure to opportunity. We want to give opportunity stem programs and we want to start some things like that in uh, in local New Jersey area and some of these underserved communities and you know, it's, it's a, it's a dream right now. And you know, we got the five oh one c, we got everything, we had a golf event that we were part of recently and now we're just trying to uh, you know, to, to get the business that we're going in terms of, um, you know, trying to, you know, cannabis business, we're trying to get that up and running so that we can fund fund this and and really try and make exercise difference uh in in in some underserved communities that have you know don't have don't have um uh the exposure to what most kids that grew up in the suburb areas just that they are exposed to successful people. They're exposed to people that aren't just entertainers and athletes. They're exposed to all different walks of life because there's so much around this area in terms in the new york city metropolitan area that you know there's so many ways to be successful and I just wanted to make sure that people understand that there's a lot of opportunity out here. Yeah like when I talked to Santana Moss uh I don't know maybe a year ago I did his he had a podcast in D. C. And he was talking about when he grew up in Miami he said they only told me one thing ever because he grew up he said I grew up in the hood, they only told me one thing ever was that I had to play football to get out of here. And he said now I realized that there's so much else like I could have been a coach, I could have been a marketing person. There's there's all these other things like they never told me this stuff and so I just focused on that one thing and I said and I think that's great what you're doing because kids need to understand that there's like you said there's opportunities everywhere everywhere. I mean you can look at, you look at it, go in your house, Yeah, you know food, you could be in food, you could be in um you know techno electronic e Yeah, there's so many things that are, you know, they're just in my neighborhood. We have a guy who owns a whole bunch of Popeye's chickens, we have a guy who works for Sony, we have another guy who starts his own bit like it's just this area that I live in, there's so many people doing so many different things and everybody comes together and um I just, I just love the energy out here and that's why I stayed in new york and I didn't leave and go back to California because everybody is really into furthering themselves and and and starting businesses. I'll connect you with my really good friend Justin Agrio, he has a penn State readiness Institute and I know that's a rival for you in the Big 10 school, but he works with them, he didn't go to Penn State, but he works with them um and he is actually working with like Mark Cuban and a bunch of people and he teaches kids from underserved areas like you actually brings them in and get them ready for life besides what they teach you in high school and he does a great job. So I'll connect you guys through email because I think that it was somebody you love to, he was raised a bunch of money, he knows how to do it. If you know that's great. That's great. We can use all that. Yeah, that would be great. Hey, I know you spent some time with me today here on how to up with Gus and I appreciate uh you coming in and and trying out this new platform. Super. You know, this is just not your normal podcast. We get to bring our fans on and everybody to partner. I don't know if anybody's out there that wants to come on live, that I could just actually show you like a meet and greet before you go. Um if somebody looks like people on here, Yeah, if somebody wants to come claim a spot and I want to and you want to come on and say hi to Amani, uh feel free to turn your camera on so we can at least see how it goes. Um...

I don't know who anybody want to do it, come on up and uh show your face. But it's really cool because we actually here, I'll show you this Toumani, we can actually bring a fan on and take a selfie. I don't want to come. We could take a selfie. So it's really cool what they're doing. Uh this is a great platform, super is doing a really good job and uh here I'll just take one and what it does, it goes right back to their thing and then, and then you have a picture of us, not that anybody wants a picture of me, but I know they want to picture, but hey, I appreciate you coming on. Um and sharing your story, sharing a lot of good stories about the NFL and uh you know, just seem to have a great personality, a great entrepreneurial spirit and you know, I know, I think my, my nephews on here and I think he loves the cannabis conversation. No, it's it's it's so much fun, it's so much fun. I just, you know, it really teaches you a lot about business. I wish I went to business school because you know, I'm learning a lot of stuff to the road that I probably did, I probably should have, you know, learned any other way, but it's just fun. I see you going to Harvard business school and getting your MBA in the future so you can do all this like you have the time, one thing, one last thing before you go, if you don't mind me, one more question, your uncle is George Wallace Yeah, comedian Yeah. My family, it's like, it's the weirdest thing, like I have so many successful people in my family, it's not like I have a cousin that flies F-16 jets, like I didn't even, you know, like it's one of these things where our family is so scattered that it's hard to like kind of get everybody together, but once you get everybody together, you start seeing like all the success stories. My mother moved out to san Francisco because she was programming missiles for Loki. So it's like we have, man, you know this, did your dad cry just a little bit when you went to michigan? I don't know. Like I don't think he had much. I don't think he had a good time in Ohio State. I don't know. I know he went to Ohio State. I didn't know if like he was like, man, he probably like, yeah, you probably should go that team up north. Yeah. No, he doesn't really talk about it, but he never, he never really spoke about it at all. But you know, he, I think he just wanted me to go to college for free basically. I hear all our dads did, they were really happy with that. But hey man, I I appreciate you joining me. Uh, it was great getting to meet you finally. I know we played against each other, seeing each other on the field. Yeah, I appreciate you coming on and you know, tell your daughter we said hi, you should have just brought her on camera. I should have. But you know what? She she was coming over because she's done that before. Like she knows she was like, she was trying to get in and I was like, you know what? This is the first time I'm on here, let me just, you know, that's all right, then we'll do it again. But hopefully you and I can start something great uh in the future, we'll see. Absolutely, man. Absolutely. I think it would be wonderful. Alright. Alright. Thanks for joining me on. Huddle up with Gus. Have a great night, my man. Hey, thanks a lot guys. All right. See you see you later. That's a wrap sports fan. Thanks for joining in the fun at the 16 31 digital studios for another to huddle up with Gus featuring 15 year NFL quarterback. Gus Ferrand, Huddle Up with Gus is proudly produced by 16 31 Digital media and is available on apple music.

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